* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALRIGHT, [00:00:01] GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 16TH, 2026 DESIGN REVIEW BOARD WORKSHOP SESSION. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. HAPPY NEW YEAR. WELCOME. GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE. UM, A LITTLE CHILLY OUTSIDE THIS MORNING. . WE'RE HERE. UM, AND I GUESS IT'S PAT. IS PAT GONNA BE HERE THIS MORNING? DID HE SAY? OKAY, VERY GOOD. SAID HE WAS. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, WELL, UM, LET'S DO THIS. I'M GONNA TURN THE, UH, THE MIC OVER TO, UH, MR. SCHROEDER TO WALK US THROUGH OUR ONE APPLICATION WE HAVE THIS MORNING. BRETT, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. GOOD MORNING. I'M TRYING TO HOLD THIS UP ON THE GIS OH, THERE IT GOES. FINALLY, IT'S GONNA WORK FOR US. OKAY. HE'S GONNA BLAME JOEL THERE REAL QUICK, BUT CAN YOU TURN ME ON, JOEL? UH, THEY CAN SEE YOU FOR SOME REASON. THEY CAN. OKAY. YES, WE CAN SEE YOU NOW. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS, I REALLY NEED TO GET A MOUSE UP HERE. [2. WORK SESSION ITEMS] OKAY. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO LOTS. THEY'RE COMBINING THESE TWO LOTS. JUST FOR REFERENCE, CITY HALLS UP HERE, THOMPSON STREET, UM, WATERPARK STORM WATER PARK, RIGHT THERE. SO WE ALREADY LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF THINGS DOWN THE WAY HERE. I THINK THERE'S LIKE MAYBE THREE LOTS LEFT IN THIS STRETCH RIGHT HERE TO, UH, GO FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'LL LOOK AT THEIR PACKET HERE. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S CURRENTLY GOT TWO STRUCTURES ON IT. THOSE WILL BE GOING AWAY, OBVIOUSLY. AND SIMILAR TO THE LAST DOUBLE GROUP WE LOOKED AT ON THOMPSON STREET, WE GOT SOME SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AT THE FRONT, AND THEN SOME SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AT THE BACK. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WHEN, UM, RICHARD AND FRANK AND I MET TO GO OVER PRELIMINARILY, UM, WHEN WE GET TO, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING IT TODAY, BUT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT AND MAYBE BRING IT UP TO, TO THE ENGINEERS TO, TO PASS ON THAT. THIS HOUSE IN PARTICULAR FEELS LIKE IT REALLY WANTS THE DRIVEWAY TO BE FARTHER AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION. IT MIGHT ALSO GIVE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ELEVATIONS YET, IT MIGHT ALSO GIVE A NICER ELEVATION STANCE TO THOMPSON STREET, WHICH IS GONNA BE RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER. SO, LIKE WE DID AT THE LAST DEVELOPMENT, THESE TWO ARE GONNA, THESE TWO STRUCTURES HERE WILL BE, UM, REALLY KEY FOR BOTH THEIR FRONTAGES AND THEIR SIDES, WHICH IS A THOMPSON STREET FRONTAGE. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL GO OVER THOSE, UM, HARDER. THEY ALSO HAVE SOME, UM, DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE, UH, REQUIREMENTS ON THE FRONT HERE, WHICH I'M SURE, UM, JENNIFER HAS WELL ADDRESSED. UM, AND THOSE ARE BY COUNCIL CONDITIONS FOR THE FRONT THERE CAN SEE THEY'RE IN THEIR AREA BACK HERE IS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA DO THEIR STORM WATER. AND THEN WE GET INTO LANDSCAPE. SO BRETT, UM, TODAY WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN AND THE LANDSCAPING SITE AND LANDSCAPE. YEP. YEAH, THEY WANT TO GET MOVING IN THEIR LDP. THEY'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED FOR FIRST ROUND OF COMMENTS, UM, AND THEN REALIZED, OOPS, WE FORGOT THIS PART. SO, UM, THEY SUBMITTED AND GOT THIS IN. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE READY TO HAVE THEIR FIRST ROUND, I BELIEVE, OF COMMENTS EITHER ALREADY GOT 'EM OR THEY'RE READY TO BE PUSHED OUT TO 'EM. UM, AND THEN TWEAKED IF WE, IF WE DO ANYTHING HERE. OKAY. AND YOU MENTIONED COUNCIL CONDITIONS. DO YOU HAVE THOSE? I WILL PULL THEM UP WHEN WE GET TO THE MEETING. OKAY, VERY GOOD. AND LOOK AT 'EM. UM, I WENT THROUGH THEM AND I, AND EVERYTHING APPEARS TO ME THAT IT, THAT IT WAS MET, UM, SACK AND I KIND OF LOOKED AT HIM BRIEFLY AND, AND HE SAID, YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S, THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT HE NEEDED THEM TO DO. HE DOES HAVE COMMENTS IN THEIR ROUNDS OF COMMENTS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT REALLY PURVIEW FOR US AS MORE COACH STUFF. OKAY. UM, I DID NOTICE IN OUR PACKET, UH, ON THE PORTAL THAT IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A DUPLICATE. SO WERE THERE DRAWING? WELL, SO THEY, THEY GAVE DRAWINGS AND THEN THEY GAVE A FULL, I JUST WAS THEY'RE THE SAME. THEY'RE THE SAME. THERE'S MORE IN ONE THAN IN THE OTHER, BUT THEY'RE THE SAME DRAWINGS. [00:05:01] OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT. IT'S UNUSUAL JUST TO HAVE ONE APPLICATION, SO YEAH. AND NEXT MONTH WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE THAT'S EVEN SMALLER. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRETT THIS MORNING? SO START OFF WHEN WE DO THE NINE O'CLOCK, I'LL START THE NINE O'CLOCK MEETING, JUST SO YOU'RE FAMILIAR. AND WE'LL DO, UM, OUR VOTING FOR CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN. UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO TREASURER BECAUSE I HOLD ALL THE MONEY, WHICH IS NONE. BUT, UM, SO WE'LL DO VICE CHAIR AND CHAIR, UH, FIRST THING, AND THEN WHOEVER GETS THOSE POSITIONS WILL TAKE OVER THE MEETING. OKAY. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, BEFORE WE ADJOURN THE WORKSHOP, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'LL DO IS LET ME, UH, GIVE US A RECAP OF WHAT WE DID IN 2025. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD. YEAH, WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. SO, SO, ALRIGHT. I WENT THROUGH OUR, OUR MEETING MINUTES AND SO FORTH, AND THEN HERE'S WHAT I, UM, HERE'S WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED LAST YEAR AS A DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. HOW ABOUT THAT? SO WE HELD 12 WORKSHOP SESSIONS AND THAT WAS TOTAL OF FIVE HOURS WORTH OF TIME. WE HELD 12 DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND THAT'S, WE SPENT 31 HOURS IN THOSE MEETINGS IF, IF YOU WERE HERE FOR ALL 12 WORKSHOPS AND DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETINGS. SO THAT'S, UH, ABOUT A TOTAL OF 36 HOURS. WE SPENT, UH, UH, WORKING ON OUR REVIEWING APPLICATIONS. WE HEARD 47 APPLICATIONS LAST YEAR AND WE MADE A TOTAL OF 67 MOTIONS ABOUT THAT. AND WE DID HEAR, HAVE ONE CURSORY REVIEW THAT WE DID. AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HOLLY IS ALWAYS ATTUNED TO IS SOME OF OUR NEW VOCABULARY TERMS OR SOME OF OUR REINCARNATED WORDS THAT WE COME UP WITH. SO, UM, SO HERE'S WHAT WE HAD FROM LA. HERE'S A FEW FROM LAST YEAR. SOME ARE GOOD, SOME ARE A BILLBOARD COMPOUND OF CHARM FLARE, GOOFY, SIMPLE ELEGANCE AND MAYOR'S MANSION. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE SOME, AND THEN WHAT WE FOUND IN, UH, WHAT WAS CREATED IN OUR DICTIONARY FOR 2024, LET ME GO THROUGH THOSE. ELECTRICITY, FUN GEOMETRY, LESS SPIKY ROSE TOWERS, MIRRORING STEP AND REPEAT STUMBLE LIGHTING AND TUTOR ECLECTIC. SO WE CAN ADD THOSE. ALL THOSE ARE DRV VOCABULARY, SO, OKAY. AND I'LL COME UP, I'LL WORK ON OUR LIST FOR 2026 AS WE HAVE EACH OF OUR MEETINGS, SO, ALRIGHT. WITH THAT, UH, ANY, ANYTHING ELSE FROM BOARD MEMBERS THIS MORNING? YES, A QUESTION QUICK, UM, ABOUT THE, THE THOMPSON PROJECT. ARE WE AWARE OF ANY DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT GOING ON IN THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES? SO THERE IS, UM, THERE'S A LOT BETWEEN EACH, I BELIEVE, BETWEEN THE DETENTION POND BET EACH WAY. THERE'S, THERE'S AT LEAST ONE LOT EACH WAY OF THESE TWO. I THINK THERE'S TWO LOTS. IT COULD BE, THERE'S YEAH. TOWARDS THE DETENTION POND AND THEN TWO LOTS TOWARDS THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE LOOKED AT. UM, YEAH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE IS ONE. DIDN'T WE FIND THAT THERE WAS ONE IN THE MIDDLE BUT IT WAS ALL STAFF STUFF? UM, OR WAS THAT, YOU MUST BE THINKING OF IT ANYWAY, SO, SO THIS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY IS TWO, UH, 2 72 AND 2 76 THOMPSON STREET. YEAH. WHAT WE LOOKED AT, UH, MARCH, FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR AND DECEMBER OF 2024 WAS 2 96 AND 3 0 4 THOMPSON STREET. YEAH. SO HANG ON ONE SECOND AND I'LL PUT THAT UP ON A VISUAL SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT. LET ME GET THE NUMBERS REAL QUICK. SO 2 72 AND THEN 2 96 72 IN BETWEEN. OKAY. OKAY. SO THIS IS GONNA BE JUST A LITTLE BIT WEIRD, BUT WE LOOKED AT, UM, I NEED TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. JOEL, ARE YOU, DO YOU HAVE A MOUSE THAT YOU CAN DO THIS AND DRIVE IT BETTER? ? YEAH, GIMME A SECOND. I CAN MAYBE EVEN DO YOU ONE BETTER BECAUSE THIS TOUCH PAD IS, SO [00:10:05] NOW IT'S HARD BECAUSE I CAN'T, NOW I HAVE TO LOOK UP THERE. UM, MAYBE THIS'LL DO IT. OKAY. SO 2 72. 2 72. IF YOU'LL SEE THE GREEN DOTS HERE ARE BLUE OR WHATEVER COLOR. 2 72 AND 2 76 ARE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. 2 96 AND 3 0 4 WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE PAST AND ARE APPROVED. SO 2 84 4, WELL NOT IN THE RIGHT DOOR. YEAH, 2 84, WHICH IS IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. AND WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE PAST IS, IS NOT BEEN HERE YET. AND THEN THERE'S THESE TWO LOTS DOWN HERE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN, HAVEN'T BEEN DONE. SO WE'VE GOT THESE TWO THAT ARE, HAVEN'T BEEN DONE YET. THEN WE'VE GOT THIS ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT COMBINED WITH THIS ONE, THEN WE SKIP ONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. JOEL, I'LL SHOW YOU. I THINK THERE'S EIGHT LOTS FOR, THERE'S EIGHT LOTS IN THAT AREA AND WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT TWO PREVIOUSLY. WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER TWO THAT ARE GROUPED TOGETHER. SO THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE TWO LOTS THAT ARE IN BETWEEN THOSE. YEAH, THESE THE, DO YOU KNOW ANY OF THESE THE SAME DEVELOPER? NO. ANY OF THESE GROUPS? THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT. THEY'RE ALL KIND OF DOING THE SAME THING. I GUESS IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT. GET TWO LOTS AND PUT A STRAIGHT UP THE MIDDLE AND LOOK THAT THEY DO. YES. IS THE SAME, SAME ARCHITECT BETWEEN THE TWO. EVEN IF IT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME. REALLY NOT EVEN THE SAME CIVIL OR LANDSCAPE TECHNOLOGY. WE ARE THE TECHNOLOGY CITY OF THE SOUTH, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST ONE OF THESE WE'RE LOOKING AT LANDSCAPING. RIGHT. THAT'S BEEN STAFFED, DELEGATED IN THE PAST. WELL THE OTHER ONE WE HAD THE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE HAD THE FRONT LANDSCAPE JUST OKAY, JUST THE FRONT LANDSCAPE. FRONT STREET, THOMPSON STREET. YEAH. OKAY. THERE. THIS ONE WE'RE DOING ALL OF SEE ADDRESS. OKAY. YEAH. SO THERE YOU CAN SEE THE ADDRESS POINTS. UM, AND THIS IS 2 72, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 2 72 AND 2 76. TODAY 2 84. 2 84 IS EMPTY. AND THEN THE NEXT TWO LOTS TO THE RIGHT WE'VE ALREADY DONE. SO THERE'S ONE IN THE MIDDLE AND TWO TO THE LEFT AND NOBODY'S THE SAME. THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT GOT APPROVED, IS IT THE SAME, THE SAME DETENTION POND? LIKE NATURAL PARK KIND OF COVERING THE DETENTION POND OR THE, THE YES. WATER RUNOFF. THE SAME CONCEPT, SAME THING. UM, SAME CON I MEAN THERE'S NOWHERE TO DO DETENTION PONDS THERE. YEP. SO IT'S ALL UNDERGROUND. UM, YEP. YEP. AND ALL OF THEM AT SOME POINT WILL CONNECT THROUGH. JOEL, CAN YOU ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT? ALL OF THEM WILL CONNECT THROUGH THE BACK TO THE THOMPSON STREET WATERPARK AND THE LOOP. EVENTUALLY AS THEY'RE DEVELOPED, EACH ONE OF THOSE WILL, WILL CONNECT THROUGH THE BACKSIDES OF THOSE LOTS IS THE PLAN. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BRETT? YES. SO WHY THIS CASE IS LANDSCAPE GETTING KICKED US? BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL SAID THAT DRB SHOULD APPROVE LANDSCAPE. THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING TO YOU. NO CONFIDENCE IN STAFF. I THINK POTENTIALLY. YAY. OKAY. I MEAN, STAFF REALLY IN HONESTY, STAFF'S NOT, WE'RE NOT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, WE'RE NOT DESIGNERS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THE CODE, BUT THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE THAT TYPE OF STUFF. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE YOU GUYS. YES. I THOUGHT DAVID WAS NO . OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE FOR, UH, BRETT THIS MORNING? ? I, I'D LIKE TO SAY WE DO NOT WANT THAT. UM, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVE A NEW AV SYSTEM AND WE'VE HAD HAD SOME TROUBLE WITH THE VOLUME, LIKE WE CAN HEAR EACH OTHER RIGHT NOW, BUT PEOPLE, THE RECORDINGS HAVEN'T BEEN HEARD VERY WELL, SO THEY'RE READJUSTING THE VOLUME. SO YOU STILL, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT SOUND LOUD TO YOU WHEN YOU TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE, YOU'VE GOT TO TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE. YEAH. MAKE SURE YOU LEAN UP TO YOUR MIC. SPEAK RIGHT INTO THE MIC. THIS ONE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE AS IS. THAT ONE'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. THEY SHOULD ALL BE LIKE THIS IN MY OPINION, BUT THAT WOULD NOT LET, I MEAN, JUST THE SLIGHTEST LITTLE TAP ON THIS DESK AND THAT CRAZY THING. FIX IT UP. ARE WE, ARE WE STILL VOTING BY HANDS OR ARE WE GONNA YES. I WAS GONNA ASK YOU RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STILL VOTING BY [00:15:01] HANDS. WE HAVEN'T BEEN TAUGHT HOW TO DO THE OTHER. WE HAVE TO. THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER LAYER OF THE SYSTEM. SO WE WANNA GET THIS. OKAY. WE WILL BE SOON. ALRIGHT. AND ELLIE, GOOD TO SEE YOU. WHAT? GOOD TO SEE YOU. WELCOME BACK. OH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GLAD TO BE BACK. OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, LET'S ADJOURN THE WORKSHOP SESSION. GO GET OUR COFFEE CUPS FILLED. GET BACK HERE AND AT NINE O'CLOCK TO START OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE READY? BRETT, DO YOU WANT ME TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER OR DO YOU WANNA DO IT? GOOD MORNING. [3. CALL TO ORDER] WE'RE GONNA CALL THE, UM, JANUARY, 2026 DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING TO ORDER THIS MORNING. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WE HAVE IS TO ELECT A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. SO AT THIS TIME I NEED A NOMINATION FOR CHAIRMAN, UH, NOMINATE RICHARD KRAMER FOR CHAIRMAN. SECOND, WE HAVE A NOMINATION AND A SECOND. MR. KRAMER, IF VOTED, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT POSITION? UH, YES I WILL. OKAY. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ANY COMMENTS? ANY CRICKETS? NOTHING. OKAY. I NEED, WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT THEN. SO, ALL IN FAVOR OF MR. KRAMER FOR CHAIRMAN OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD FOR 2026. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE HAVE A FULL VOTE THERE. CONGRATULATIONS MR. KRAMER. THANK YOU. VOTE. VOTE. DID VOTE ONCE AGAIN. HE, FOR ONCE AGAIN VOTE. I DIDN'T VOTE DOWN THERE. I DIDN'T SEE . HE, HE DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIMSELF. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHO HE WANTED, BUT HE DIDN'T VOTE FOR MYSELF. MY HANDS WERE TIED. HE CAN'T, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I SUPPOSE THE PEOPLE VOTE FOR THEMSELVES WHEN THEY GO TO VOTE. SO ANYWAY, UH, WE NEED A NOMINATION FOR THE VICE CHAIR, PLEASE. I'D MAKE A NOMINATION FOR THAT. MRW IS OUR VICE CHAIR, SECOND NOMINATION. AND SECOND, MR. SCHWANG. IF, IF SO VOTED, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT POSITION? I WOULD. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? NOBODY WANTS TO SPEAK UP. OKAY. SO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. ALL IN FAVOR, MR. SCHWANG FOR 2026, VICE CHAIRMAN OF DESIGN REBUILD, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. I VOTE AND WE HAVE A FULL VOTE FOR THAT ONE. OKAY, I'LL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO THE NEWLY MINTED, OR SHOULD I SAY COORDINATED? NO, NOT THAT'S, I'LL JUST, JUST PAT. OKAY. SO THE NEWLY MINTED CHAIRPERSON, MR. CO WILL AND COORDINATED GO TOGETHER? THEY DO. IT'S, IT'S A KIND OF A THING. I'M NOT SURE YOU'D CALL HIM NEWLY MEANT. HE, HE WAS MEANT A LONG TIME. HE WAS MINTED A LONG TIME AGO. OKAY. I, I'LL GIVE YOU THAT. NEWLY VOTED IN. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU BRETT FOR DOING THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE OF CONFIDENCE THIS MORNING. SO, UH, SO WELCOME. ALL RIGHT, UH, WE KIND OF HAD ROLL CALL OR MAKE SURE WE HAVE ROLL CALL. EVERYBODY'S HERE PRESENT AND OR ACCOUNTED FOR. SO ALL GOOD THERE. UM, LET'S, UH, JUST A GENTLE REMINDER, IF YOU'LL SILENCE YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES PLEASE. AND THEN LET'S STAND, FACE THE FLAG AND HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH IS, WHICH STANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY. LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM [6. ITEMS FROM STAFF] IS ANYTHING FROM STAFF THIS MORNING? ANY ITEMS FROM STAFF THIS MORNING? SO I'M LOOKING AT BRETT, JOEL, AND ELLIE. I DON'T THINK SO. NO, I DON'T THINK SO. ELLIE HAS THE, THE PRE-MEETING STUFF TO, TO READ. UM, NEXT MONTH WE HAVE, UM, ONE CASE AS WELL. UM, JUST A SIGN, UM, IN DOWNTOWN. UM, SO THAT'LL BE A, A ANOTHER QUICK MONTH FOR YOU. BUT WE HOPE ALL OF YOU WILL WILL SHOW UP. UM, THIS MORNING WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST MEMBER, MR. BAM. BAM. IS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY PRONOUNCED BAME. BAME. OKAY. FORGET THAT, RIGHT? WE HAD THE SAME SPELLING IN OHIO. IT WAS BAM. SO APOLOGIZE. UM, HE IS, UH, KATIE'S APPOINTEE FOR THIS YEAR. SHE WAS ELECTED IN THE FALL AND, UH, BEGAN HER TERM IN JANUARY. SO CHRIS WILL BE WITH US FOR FOUR YEARS WHILE KATIE'S, UM, HERE, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HIS EXPERTISE. I'LL LET YOU GIVE A LITTLE OF YOUR BACKGROUND AND KNOWLEDGE AND, AND, UH, WELCOME TO THE BOARD. YEP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO, IT'S A, A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL AND, AND HOPEFULLY HELP, UH, CONTINUE THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE. UM, I'VE LIVED IN ATLANTA SINCE, [00:20:01] UH, 1989, OR I'M SORRY, I LIVED IN ALPHARETTA SINCE 1989. UH, GREW UP IN PARK BRIDGE, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, AND NOW LIVE IN WINWARD. UH, MY SISTER, MY BROTHER, AND MY PARENTS ALL LIVE HERE TOO. SO, UH, LIVED HERE A LONG TIME AND, AND THRILLED WITH WHAT ALPHARETTA HAS BECOME AND, AND WHERE IT'S HEADED. SO, UH, EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THE BOARD AND, UH, HELP, UH, CONTINUE THE GREAT WORK. THANK YOU. THAT'S POTENTIALLY THE BIGGEST FAMILY THAT MIGHT LIVE HERE. MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE LIKE BA PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE GENERATIONS STILL IN ALPHARETTA. THAT'S A, THAT'S A THING. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. WELCOME. YES. OH, A LITTLE BIT. I NEED ANOTHER ONE. I NEED SOME SUPPORT HERE. . GO DOGS. OKAY, WE'RE TO DRAW THAT LINE. , ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF THIS MORNING? ALL GOOD. ELLIE, YOU GOT YOUR STATEMENT? I USUALLY, I'VE GOT IT DOWN RIGHT, RIGHT HERE. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD, GOOD. ALRIGHT. UH, [7. ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS] ANY ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS THIS MORNING? ANYTHING FROM BOARD MEMBERS? I'LL SEE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO WELCOME ELLIE BACK. WE'VE MISSED YOU. THANK YOU. I MISS YOU GUYS. GLAD TO SEE ELLIE BACK. YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, UM, AND I WILL SAY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE ON THE BOARD. LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYONE FOR THE NEXT, UH, 12 MONTHS OR SO. UM, WELCOME MR. BAIN. HIS, ACTUALLY HIS SISTER LIVES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, HIS SISTER AND BROTHER-IN-LAW. SO SMALL WORLD, BUT, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, WORKING WITH YOU FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS OR EVEN LONGER THAN THAT. SO GOOD. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND PAT GOT, UH, PAT GOT SWORN. SWORN IN. DOUG DORITOS RE REAPPOINTED THE PAT TO THE BOARD. UM, I WAS REAPPOINTED BY KIRK DRISCOLL FOR THOSE THAT DIDN'T KNOW, SO I WAS SWORN IN ALSO. SO ANYWAY, WE'VE GOT A GOOD, GOOD GROUP THIS YEAR. LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU. OKAY. UH, ANYTHING ELSE FROM, FROM BOARD MEMBERS THIS MORNING? OKAY. ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO APPROVE OUR MEETING MINUTES FROM SEVERAL MEETINGS. UH, WE'VE GOT THE DECEMBER, THE NOVEMBER, AND THE OCTOBER OF MEETINGS TO APPROVE. SO LET'S GO, LET'S, LET'S TAKE IT FROM OLDEST TO NEWEST. HOW ABOUT THAT? SO LET'S START WITH THE OCTOBER 19TH, 2025 DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES. UM, I ASSUME EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE AND CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE SUCH MINUTES, PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN? I, I, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE OCTOBER MINUTES. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. OWENS. UH, MISS, UH, SECOND BY MR. ROWAN. UM, ANY, CAN I JUST SAY, UM, ON THE ACTUAL MINUTES, IT SAYS OCTOBER 19TH AND I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO SAY OCTOBER 17TH IS THE ONLY, LET'S CHECK THAT AT THE RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST LOOKING. SHOULD BE. OKAY. LET'S LOOK AT OUR CALENDARS HERE A MINUTE JUST TO CONFIRM. I'M GONNA GO BACK TO OCTOBER. UM, SORRY, I WAS SLOW ON THAT. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. UM, YES, IT SHOULD SAY OCTOBER 17TH. SO LET'S NOTE THAT CORRECTION OCTOBER 17TH, 2025 WHEN WE MET. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU MS. PALMER FOR THAT CORRECTION. ALRIGHT, THERE BEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE OCTOBER 17TH, 2025 DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. ALL OPPOSED NO OPPOSITION MINUTES ARE APPROVED. SEVEN TO ZERO. OKAY, NEXT UP IS OUR NOVEMBER. AND LET'S CHECK THE DATE TO MAKE SURE. NOVEMBER 21ST. IS THAT CORRECT? DOES THAT REFLECT THE ACCURATE DATE? OKAY. ALRIGHT. I ASSUME EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE NOVEMBER 21ST, 2025 DESIGN REVIEW BOARD BD MINUTES. UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SUCH PLEASE? UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER, 2025 BOARD, UH, DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING. MINUTES SECOND. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SWING, A SECOND BY MR. KEL. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE BEING NONE? A CALL FOR A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE NOVEMBER 21ST, 2025 DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. UM, 2, 3, 4 BY SIX SEVEN. ALL OPPOSED? NO OPPOSITION MINUTES ARE APPROVED. SEVEN ZERO. OKAY. IN OUR MOST RECENT MEETING FOR DECEMBER, WHICH WAS DECEMBER 19TH, TO MAKE SURE THAT DATE TOO, JUST CHECKING, [00:25:01] I LOOK AT MY CALENDAR AND IT WAS DECEMBER 19TH, SO THAT DATE IS CORRECT. SO I JUST, I JUST NOTICED IN THE MINUTES THEY'RE IN THE LATEST PACKAGE UNDER THE WORKSHOP, IT HAS CHAIR, UM, SCH DURING THE WORKSHOP. SHOULD BE KRAMER CHANGE IT TO, YEAH, SO IT'S LIKE, IT, IT, IT HAS HIM CALLING THE WORKSHOP TO ORDER, BUT IT HAS ME ADUR THE WORKSHOP. SO THAT SHOULD BE KRAMER. AND THEN I THINK UNDER THE ROLL CALL, SHOULDN'T IT SAY CHAIRMAN AFTER YOUR NAME? IT USUALLY DOES. YEAH, I CAN THINK SO. OKAY. AND THEN I NOTICED IN THE PRINTED VERSION THAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, UM, FOR THE, UM, PORTMAN BROOKSIDE APPLICATION, THERE WAS A DUPLICATION OF BOARD MEMBER SPRAYBERRY. DID YOU SEE THAT? DID YOU SEE THAT? I'VE, I'VE DONE THESE MINUTES. LIKE SO Y'ALL CORRECTIONS, SO I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. I WANNA WAIT. OKAY. AND THEN I NOTICED THERE WAS A COUPLE MISSPELLED WORDS TOO. SO LET'S DO THIS. WE CAN, LET'S POSTPONE APPROVING THOSE MANY MINUTES TO MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYTHING UM, CORRECTED IN THOSE. WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, APPROVE THOSE DECKS. NEXT ONE. SO LET'S POSTPONE THE APPROVAL OF THOSE, MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYTHING CORRECT. OKAY. WITH THAT. UM, OH, AND I WILL, I WILL THANK ELLIE IF SHE DID THIS. OUR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, UH, PRINTED THE MEMBERS. DID EVERYBODY GET A COPY OF THIS? THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. THAT ONE WELL THAT COMES FROM THE CITY CLERK. SHE DOES THE, EVERYONE'S OKAY. BUT HOLLY NOTICED, UM, SOME WRONG DATES FOR DATES OF APPOINTMENTS. SO IF YOU WANT TO JUST CHECK YOUR INFORMATION AND JUST EMAIL ME IF ANYTHING'S INCORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH, MY PHONE NUMBER IS OFF IS OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. VERY GOOD. YEAH, SO EVERYBODY JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE IT'S YOUR INFORMATION'S CORRECT ON THAT AND THEN WE'LL GET THAT UPDATED. BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT VERY HANDY TO HAVE. OKAY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING THAT WOULD BE HANDY TO ELLIE IS A LIST OF ALL OF OUR MEETINGS. SOMETIMES IT GETS PUBLISHED, YOU PUT IT ON A ONE SINGLE PIECE OF PAPER. OKAY. ALL THE DATES I THOUGHT I, I, I I'LL SEND Y ALL THAT. OKAY, VERY GOOD. IS YOURS CORRECT? YOUR FIRST APPOINTMENT DATE WAS 1996? UH, YES, THAT IS CORRECT. YOU HAVE 30 YEARS MAYBE? YES, TOTALLY MO YOU DEFINITELY DESERVE A PENSION. TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN. I BET YOU GET A PLAQUE FOR SURE. . HEY, I JOINED, SHOULD HAVE 30 YEARS. SHOULD HAVE A BUILDING NAMED, ACTUALLY I THINK IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS MAY OF NINE, SIX IS WHEN I WAS FIRST APPOINTED. SO LET'S GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. BUT YEAH, IT WAS, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HAVE A PARTY. I THOUGHT I WAS JUST GONNA SERVE FOR A FEW YEARS. IT'S BETTER. NO, I GOT, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT WAS ON THE AGENDA THAT DAY? UM, NO, BUT I DO HAVE A COPY OF THE AGENDA. I HAVE TO, I'LL, I'LL FISH THAT OUT AND SHARE IT WITH YOU ANYWAY. IS IT IN THE, THE, UH, TRIPLICATE THINGS IN THE, FROM BACK ? IT'S, IT'S ON THE, UH, ON WHAT'S THE, THE, YES, THE BLUE. YOU SMELL IT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ON. UM, BUT I DO, I'LL SAY THIS, I DO REMEMBER WE, UM, WE USED TO HAVE TO PICK OUR PACKETS UP AT THE FIRE STATION DOWN ON WEBB BRIDGE ROAD. IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY WERE DELIVERED TO THE FIRE STATION IN A MANILA ENVELOPE. THEY WERE STUFFED IN A LITTLE CUBBY AND YOU HAD TO GO PICK YOUR PACKET UP BEFORE THE MEETING SO YOU COULD LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT WAS ON THE, UH, AGENDA FOR THE DAY. AND THEN YOU STEPPED UP IN THE WORLD AND GOT 'EM DELIVERED. GOT 'EM DELIVERED. THAT WAS AWESOME. YES. GEEZ. YEAH. THAT'S WORTH IT. YES. AND NOW IT'S ALL ELECTRONIC, SO NO LONGER PAPER VERSION. WE'RE DELIVERING THEM STILL , ALTHOUGH WE DID, I DID GET A GIFT DELIVERED IN DECEMBER, SO FROM UH, YES. WHICH I LOVED. GOOD. SO THANK YOU FOR YEAH. THE, THE CITY, THE, I CAN'T TAKE CREDIT OR ANYBODY. THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, UM, TOOK THAT OVER AT, AT, UM, MY REQUEST THIS YEAR JUST BECAUSE IT, IT'S, I, WE COULDN'T COME UP WITH ANY MORE. I MEAN, ELLIE AND I AND EVERYBODY DOWNSTAIRS HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR ALL THE BOARDS FOR SO MANY YEARS. WE'RE LIKE, WAIT, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS. WE DID THIS, WE DID THIS, WE DID THIS. IT'S LIKE, WHAT WE'RE DONE . WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE. SO, UM, I ASKED IF THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD WEIGH IN AND, AND THEY JUMPED RIGHT IN. AND, AND SO I WILL SAY I HAD TO TELL PAT WHAT IT WAS AND WHAT TO DO WITH IT. , HE ALSO LET SOMETHING ON FIRE. OOH. WELL, BECAUSE HE WAS UN WAS UNATTENDED. HE WAS UNATTENDED. OKAY. MY WIFE TAKES AWAY FROM ME, BUT , SHE WASN'T THERE. . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. LET'S GET ON TO OUR, UH, FIRST APPLICATION THIS MORNING. LET ME, LET ME READ THE PUBLIC HEARING. OH YES. AN INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING TO BE HEARD ON A MATTER RELATED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING. YOU MUST BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD. [00:30:01] UPON RISING TO SPEAK, THE SPEAKER MUST IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR HERSELF AND FURNISH A HOME OR BUSINESS ADDRESS BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS. THE COM THE BOARD WILL ALLOW THE PROPONENTS A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION. OPPONENTS WILL BE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. COMMENTS ARE ACCEPTED FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY THE PERSON SPEAKING IN FAVOR. AND THEN FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION UPON CONCLUSION OF ANY OPPOSING COMMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS. THE MAYOR, SORRY, Y'ALL. THE CHAIR WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO OFFER REBUTTAL IF ANY TIME IS REMAINING IN THE ORIGINAL ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES. AND THE CHAIR HAS DISCRETION TO ALLOW MORE TIME IF NECESSARY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ELLIE. APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. [2. DRB250042       272 SEED Thompson LLC review new construction] OUR FIRST APPLICANT THIS MORNING IS 2 72 C THOMPSON, LLC. YOU'RE HERE. COME ON DOWN PLEASE. OR COME ON UP. I THINK I KNOW YOU KNOW THE PROCESS, BUT IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF THIS MORNING AND THEN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET TODAY, PLEASE. SURE. MORNING. UH, STEVE ROW PROCESS. CAN YOU TURN THE MICROPHONE ON BUTTON ON THE RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. SORRY. THANK YOU. . DO I NEED TO START OVER AGAIN? YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD. . WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE. BEEN HERE A COUPLE. WE, WE KNOW WHERE TO FIND YOU IF WE NEED TO. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THOMPSON STREET RESIDENTIAL. UH, IT'S A PIECE ON THOMPSON STREET. IT'S ABOUT TWO PROPERTIES UP, UH, TO THE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE EAST OF THOMPSON STREET PARK. AND THEN, AND THEN THERE'S TWO PROPERTIES, AND THEN THERE'S ONE THAT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE THAT'S, THAT'S STILL UNDEVELOPED. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE FLANKED ON EITHER SIDE BY UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES. UH, HERE'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER LOOK AT WHERE THE AREA IS. AND THE MAIN REASON WE'RE HERE IS, IS AS WE WENT THROUGH THE ZONING, THERE WERE SIX SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT THE COUNCIL ASKED US TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF DRB FOR, UH, ALL RELATED TO LANDSCAPE AND HARDSCAPE. UH, SOME OF 'EM ARE RELATED TO THE FRONTAGE ON THOMPSON STREET. SOME WERE THE MAIN STREETS SCAPE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. OTHER IS THE INTERNAL PARK, UH, THAT WE HAVE. AND THEN THE TWO, THE EAST AND WEST BUFFERS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. UH, SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN REASON WE'RE HERE IS TO KIND OF FOCUS ON, ON THOSE SIX. NOW YOU'RE WELCOME TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING OBVIOUSLY, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE. NOT, UH, NOT ANYTHING MORE. SO AT THIS POINT, I'M JUST GONNA TURN IT OVER TO OVER. JENNIFER, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, THAT, UH, QUESTIONS REGARDING ZONING PROCESS, THOUGHTS BEHIND IT? I'M, I'M HERE TO, TO SUPPORT, BUT, UH, THIS IS JENNIFER'S SHOW. THANK YOU. GREAT. DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THOSE CONDITIONS SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN WHAT STEVE JUST SHOWED? THEY'RE ON HERE. ARE THEY IN HERE? LOOK AT THEM. LOOKING AT, YEAH, THESE, THESE ARE THE CERTIFIED COPIES THERE. SO, AND THE HIGHLIGHTS IN RED ARE THE, ARE THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS. OH, WE CAN, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL LET BRETT FIND THOSE. I THOUGHT I UPLOADED THEM TO YOUR PACKET, BUT APPARENTLY I DIDN'T UPLOAD THE PACKET AGAIN. OKAY. YEAH. I'LL GET THEM EVERY TIME WE, WE HAVE EXTRA COPIES TOO. WE CAN PASS AROUND IF THAT HELPS. IF YOU DO THAT TOO, THAT'LL HELP US GET SOME EXTRA COPIES. STEVE, THANK YOU. BE VERY BENEFICIAL. HOW MANY COPIES DO YOU HAVE? JENNIFER, WHY DON'T YOU SHARE SOME YOUR PHONE. ALRIGHT, I'LL SHARE WITH FRANK THEN. HOW ABOUT THAT? WHY DON'T YOU SEE IF, SEE A COPY? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. YEP. THANK YOU. YOU GUYS SHARING? YES, WE'RE SHARING. OKAY. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M SORRY, STEVE, WHILE YOU'RE THERE WITH THE CONDITIONS AND THE ONES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED. YES. WHY DON'T YOU JUST READ THOSE OUT LOUD FOR US. I'LL LET YOU BE OUR NARRATOR. SURE. SOMETIMES I DO THAT, BUT I'M GONNA LET, LOOK, I'LL BE THE SPOKES MODEL TODAY. . YOU'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THEM THAN I'M SO SURE. I'LL LET YOU READ THOSE OUT. UH, ZONING CONDITION FOUR IS FRONT YARD SHALL BE FRAMED WITH DECORATIVE LOW WALL METAL FENCING OR HEDGE WITH BRICK OR STONE COLUMNS AS APPROVED BY DRB. FRONT YARDS OF THE TOWN HOMES IS THE ALPHA LOOP SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS THE ALPHA LOOP THAT WILL RUN ALONG THE BACK. THE FRONTS OF THOSE BUILDINGS WILL ACTUALLY FACE THE ALPHA LOOP. SO THE BACKS, YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT THE BACKS COMING DOWN THE STREET. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. SURE. UH, CONDITION [00:35:01] NINE IS PROJECT ENTRANCE SHALL BE, SHALL INCLUDE DECORATIVE LANDSCAPING, LOW WALLS OR HEDGE WITH BRICK OR STONE COLUMNS AS APPROVED BY D-R-B-H-O-A SHALL SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REGULAR MAINTENANCE OF, OF PROJECT IMPROVE OR ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENTS. CONDITION 12 CREEPING VINES SHALL BE PLANTED COVERING RETAINING WALLS AND LOW WALLS. AS APPROVED BY DRB 13. CENTRAL AMENITY SPACE SHALL BE DEVELOPED WITH DECORATIVE LANDSCAPING, HARDSCAPE AND SEEDING AS APPROVED BY DRB LANDSCAPE. MATERIAL SHALL INCLUDE PLANT SELECTIONS PROMOTING HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, IF PROVEN SHALL, SHALL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA CONDITION. 16 DEVELOPERS SHALL PLANT A MINIMUM SIX INCH CALIPER CANOPY TREES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE NEW PRIVATE STREET AT THE BEGINNING AND AT THE END OF THE STREET. AND IN THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP AS APPROVED BY DRB AND 17, THE DEVELOPER SHALL MAKE REASONABLE EFFORTS TO SAVE TREES WITHIN THE FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIPS ON THE EAST AND WEST PROPERTY LINES AS APPROVED BY STAFF. REMAINING AREA OF THE LANDSCAPE STRIPS SHALL BE PLANTED WITH A MIX OF EVERGREEN AND SHADE TREES AS APPROVED BY DRB. SO THEY REALLY ARE JUST RELATING TO MAINLY LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING IN THE VISIBLE AREAS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. SURE. I DID NOTICE, I THINK IT WAS CONDITION, UH, ONE OR TWO MAYBE HAD DRB IN IT, BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HAS TO DO WITH THE ARCHITECTURE. YES, THE ARCHITECTURE. AND AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE, WE ARE NOT READY TO THE, THE BUILDER IS STILL GOING THROUGH SOME OF HIS WORK WITH HIS ARCHITECT AND HE WILL BE BACK WITH THOSE ELEVATIONS. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT. YOU'RE HERE FOR SITE, SITE AND LANDSCAPE. SITE AND LANDSCAPE. CORRECT. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR READING THOSE. SURE. OKAY. SO SOMETHING, IT'S SOMETIMES A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT LANDSCAPING WHEN THERE'S NO BUILDINGS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES. BUT GENERALLY YOU WANT LANDSCAPING TO RELATE BACK TO ARCHITECTURE, THAT SORT OF THING. SO JUST THROWING THAT CAVEAT OUT THERE FOR NOW. NO STAFF, STAFF UNDERSTANDS AND I THINK, I THINK, UM, THESE GUYS DO AS WELL. SO WHAT'LL END UP HAPPENING IS THE, IF IT HAS TO CHANGE BECAUSE OF BUILDING ELEVATIONS, THEY'LL HAVE TO BRING LANDSCAPE BACK AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THEIR RE-REVIEW FOR ALL THAT. OR THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THEIR ELEVATIONS MEET THE LANDSCAPE. W WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO SHARE, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL ELEVATIONS? 'CAUSE THERE'S ? NO, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S, WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE IT. SO. OH, I THOUGHT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SUBSTANTIAL. I MEAN, SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR, BUT IT'S NOT KNOWN THAT IT'S TO SCALE AND ALL THAT, SO. GOTCHA. YEAH, THEY, THEY WERE VERY ROUGH ELEVATIONS. AND SO THE STAFF STAFF DISCRETION AS FAR AS IF ONE MEETS THE OTHER OR IF THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER, THAT SORT OF THING AS FAR AS THE PLAN TO PLAN, YEAH. I THINK WHAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST IS WHEN THE, WHEN THE ARCHITECTURE COMES, WE BRING THE LOT SPECIFIC LANDSCAPE. MAYBE WE HAVE THEM HERE SO THAT IF THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, THAT MAYBE THAT LOT SPECIFIC NEED TO CHANGE, WE, WE COULD DO THAT AT THAT TIME AUTOMATICALLY. I THINK EVERYTHING'S PROBABLY FINE. YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE, THE FUN PART IS WHEN PEOPLE MOVE IN, THEY CHANGE APPROVAL . YEAH. THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS, IS IN ORDER TO GET LAND SERVICE PERMITTING, WE HAVE TO HAVE D APPROVAL. SO KNOWING THAT WE COULD COME BACK IF THERE'S CHANGES TO THE ARCHITECTURE OKAY. AND ARE WILLING TO YOU MORE THAN HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN, I THINK THAT COULD BE A LOT BY LOT THING WITH A BRIEF DISCUSSION. YEAH. IF, IF IT, IF IT WOULD NEED TO CHANGE AT THAT POINT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. I'M JENNIFER HAS TO COME BACK. YEP. . ALRIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. UH, JENNIFER SPRAYBERRY 50 WARM SPRING CIRCLE ROSWELL. UM, SO I CAN QUICKLY FLIP THROUGH SOME OF THE CIVIL SHEETS WE HAVE HERE. ALSO. I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE WE DID SUBMIT FOR LDP, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY. AND SO WE HAVE IN TANDEM, UM, SO WE'VE ADDRESSED SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, UM, PRIOR TO COMING TO THE MEETING. SO THESE PLANS ARE MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SUBMITTED IN THE PACKET. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT NOTHING MAJOR, JUST KIND OF SWITCHING OUT PLANT MATERIAL. WE ADDED SOME FENCING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, BUT IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME. SO HERE WE SEE THIS IS JUST SHOWING OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS. WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY GONE OVER THIS. THE TWO HOMES ON THE SITE WILL BE DEMOED. UM, OUR TREE REMOVAL, THIS IS OUR SITE LAYOUT PLAN, WHICH WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY GONE OVER. WE'VE GOT THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, UH, LANDING THE [00:40:01] MAIN DRIVE HERE. AND THEN AT THE BACK ALLEY WE HAVE TWO BLOCKS OF TOWN HOMES, A GROUP OF FOUR AND A GROUP OF THREE. AND I'D LIKE TO MENTION WE WILL IN THE FUTURE HAVE A UM, ALPHA LOOP CONNECTION HERE IN THIS BACK 40 FOOT AREA. UM, THAT PLAN HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED AT THIS TIME AND SO WE HAVE JUST KIND OF GHOSTED IN AN OUTLINE OF WHERE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO. UM, ON OUR SITE LAYOUT. UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT HERE, THAT FUTURE ALPHA LOOP TRAIL. AND WE'VE TAKEN THAT FUTURE TRAIL INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, WHEN DESIGNING THE STORM WATER, THE DESIGN THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE BACK THERE, UM, IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THE TREE REMOVAL IN THAT AREA AND PRESERVE MORE TREES RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE BOTTOM THREE UNITS IN IT. IT IS, BUT IT WAS A CONDITION THAT WE LIMIT THE TREE REMOVAL IN THE BACK 40 FEET OF THE PROPERTY. AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THE TRAIL KIND OF NEEDS TO GO FURTHER TOWARDS THE TOWN HOMES. UM, THEN WE'VE JUST INCLUDED THE UTILITY PLAN, UH, GRADING PLAN FOR REFERENCE. YOU CAN SEE HERE OUR STORM WATER, WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, ACCOMPLISH THAT UNDERGROUND AND THAT'S GONNA BE UNDERNEATH OUR GREEN AREA, OUR AMENITY THAT WE HAVE A CONDITION TO PROVIDE FOR THE SITE, WHICH IS IN THIS AREA HERE ADJACENT TO THE MALE KIOSK. SO WOULD YOU, JENNIFER, WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S KIND OF THE LOW AREA OF THE SITE? UM, LET'S LOOK AT THE GRADING PLAN HERE. IT DOES, IT KINDA SLOPES. I CAN, THE ACTUAL LOW AREA IS TO THE VERY BACK CORNER OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY WHERE IT DRAINS TOO. OKAY. UM, IT'S A LITTLE STRANGE 'CAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOW SPOT AT THE NEAR OTHER CORNER UP AT THOMPSON, WHICH IS GONNA BE CONSIDERED BYPASS. THEN THERE'S A BIG, YOU KNOW, RISE AND THEN ANOTHER STEEP DROP OFF. SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TO BALANCE OUR AREA FOR STORMWATER IS REALLY GONNA HAPPEN WITHIN ABOUT A THREE AND A HALF FOOT AREA. SO WE'RE VERY LIMITED ON OUR DEPTH BECAUSE OF OUR DISCHARGE POINT. SO THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS SO, YOU KNOW, EXPANSIVE AS THE, IS THAT WE JUST, WE JUST CAN'T GO DEEPER 'CAUSE THEN WE CAN'T GET THE WATER OUT OF THERE. GOT IT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT AMENITY AREA IS CORRECT WHERE THE UNDERGROUND STORMWATER RIGHT HERE? YES. SO WE HAVE STORMWATER UNDERGROUND HERE IN THIS SHADED AREA AND IT ACTUALLY CARRIES ACROSS TO THE OTHER SIDE. SO YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF FOLLOWS ALONG THE BACK ALLEY. AND THEN THE, THE AMENITY GREEN AREA AND THE OUTFALL IS HERE. WE'VE PUSHED IT OUT A LITTLE FURTHER SO THAT IT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPOSED OR THE FUTURE ALPHA LOOP SO THAT THE LOOP ISN'T ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE OUTFALL. SO THAT IS THE MAIN REASON WHY WE HAVE SOME TREE REMOVAL IN THAT AREA IS TO JUST ACCOMPLISH THAT AND MAKE ROOM FOR THE FUTURE TRAIL. SO YOU CAN SEE THIS LINE HERE WITH THE A ON IT, THAT IS OUR TREE PROTECTION FENCING AND OUR LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE. SO WE REALLY HAVE TRIED TO PULL THAT IN AS TIGHT AS WE CAN TO LIMIT THE TREE REMOVAL IN THE AREA ON THAT CYCLING. JENNIFER, WHERE ARE, WHERE ARE THE WALLS? THERE'S MENTION OF ADDING VINES, THE WALLS AND THAT SORT THING. YES, YES. LET'S SEE HERE. SO WE HAVE WALLS ON BOTH THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. UM, SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY ON THE HIGHER SIDE HERE OF THE WALL. AND THEN OUR HOMES ARE ON THE LOWER SIDE OF THIS WALL THAT RUNS ALONG. SO NORTH IS POINTING STRAIGHT BACK ON THIS SIDE. SO HERE ON THE EAST SIDE WE HAVE A WALL RUNNING THIS SIDE. UM, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS ON THE HIGH SIDE, THEN WE'RE LOWER AND THEN WE STEP DOWN AGAIN ON THE WEST SIDE WITH THIS WALL. AND THIS DOESN'T RUN THE FULL LENGTH. WE HAVE KIND OF LITTLE PIECES THAT HAVE TO POP IN JUST, UM, PERIODICALLY HERE, BUT THIS IS THE MAIN LENGTH OF THE WALL. AND THEN WE'RE WHERE'S THE WALL ON THAT? PARDON? WHERE'S THE WALL IN THAT? SEE THE HAND GO ACROSS? LET'S GO TO, LET'S SEE, I THINK I'VE SEEN THREE AND I WANNA SHOW, YEAH, THE TREE FENCE KIND OF GETS IN THE WAY. AND WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THAT WALL ON THAT SIDE? AND WHAT'S THE, LET'S GO BACK TO OUR SLIGHTLY LAYOUT. SORRY GUYS FLIPPING AROUND HERE. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE WALL A LITTLE BETTER. THEY'RE WELL BACK FROM THE [00:45:01] PROPERTY. RIGHT. AND, AND GIVEN THE HEIGHTS OF THE WALLS IN THE, THE LIMITED AREA OF CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE HAVING TO DO CAST IN PLACE VENEERED WALLS MM-HMM . AND SO WE'VE GOT THE TOP OF WALL AND BOTTOM OF WALL GOING ALONG HERE. SO WE, SO WE WILL HAVE FALL PROTECTION FENCING WHERE REQUIRED WHEN WE HAVE 30 INCHES GRAY CHANGE OR MORE. AND THE VENEER, YOU SAID YOU'RE PUTTING ON THE, WAS THAT A BRICK VENEER IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING? THAT'S, THAT'S, YES. THAT'S CURRENTLY THE PLAN. AND, AND WE'LL WORK THAT IN WITH THE, THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, MAKING SURE WE GOT A GOOD MATCH OF THAT. BUT FOR INSTANCE, IF I'M A RESIDENT IN ONE OF THESE HOMES RIGHT HERE, I'M NOT SEEING THE WALL. ALL OF, I MAY SEE A RAILING. RIGHT. YOU MIGHT SEE A RAILING, YOU'LL BE LOOKING OVER THE WALL, BUT THE PEOPLE ON THE WE OR ON THE EAST SIDE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT WALL. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHERE THE VINES CAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RAILING, RIGHT? YES. BECAUSE THE WALL, SO THEIR PROPERTY GOES TO WELL PAST WHERE THE WALL LOCATION IS, RIGHT? CORRECT. YOUR MICROPHONE. SO THE, YOU STEP OUT YOUR BACK DOOR AND THEN YOU'RE A WALL AND THEN YOU, IS THERE A, IS THERE ANY ACCESS TO THE REST OF THE YARD? IF I'M ASSUMING, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE TOP LINE THERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE MUCH ACCESS BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SCREENING WITHIN THAT AREA. SO THERE, THERE, THERE THERE'S, THEY'RE LIMITED ON THEIR OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE ON THE BACKYARDS. SO NO PLAN FOR STAIRS TO COME DOWN OR NO, NO. 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY NOT ACCESSING ANYTHING. YOU'RE ACCESSING INTO A, INTO A PLANTED BUFFER. WE ARE, WE ARE OUT OF GOOD LAND, AREN'T WE? . UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE, THE, THE PARK IS CRITICAL ON THIS TO HAVE THAT COMMON, COMMON AREA OVER THE STORMWATER. SO THAT BECOMES YOUR, SO DO YOU HAVE ANY IMAGES OF THAT VENEER? WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE? WE, WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME PICTURES OF, YOU KNOW, STONE AND ROCK OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING. BUT UNTIL THE ARCHITECT PICKS HIS BRICK COLOR, WE KIND OF HA HOLD OFF ON THAT FINAL DECISION UNTIL THAT POINT. YEAH. WE JUST HAVE CONCEPT IMAGERY HERE. REALLY? YEAH. BUT IT WILL MATCH THE ARCHITECTURE'S BECAUSE IF THEY PICK, WE PICK A WHITE BRICK THEN CONDITION THAT TO COME BACK. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO CONDITION IT TO COME BACK. NOT, WE JUST NEED TO, WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT AS EACH LOT COMES, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT WALL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. RIGHT. BECAUSE THE IT'LL, THE WALL WON'T BE BUILT BEFORE THE HOMES ARE APPROVED, I'M ASSUMING. WELL THE, THE, THE CONCRETE COULD RIGHT. EASILY BE DONE. VEER WILL COME LATER. YEAH. AND THE VE VENE WILL COME LATER. THAT'S JUST LAYING THE STEP ON THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL. SO, SO IT WON'T BE A LITHIC GRID, IT'LL BE A REAL MASONRY MATERIAL. CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO YEAH, WE JUST AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF, IF FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS A, HAS A ROCK WATER TABLE, THE SAME THING MIGHT WANT TO FALL OUT TO THAT WALL. CORRECT. YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING. SO. ALRIGHT. SO I, I THINK IF YOU CONDITION IT, I THINK YOU SHOULD CONDITION THAT THE, THE WALL MATERIAL COME BACK WITH SPECIFIC LOT SPECIFIC OR ARCHITECTURE. YEAH. OKAY. OR SOMETHING. YEAH. YEAH. ALRIGHT. ANY MORE WALLS? SORRY. NO, UM, YOU KNOW WE HAVE A LITTLE PIECE OF A WALL HERE, JUST WHERE NEEDED. UM, THIS MAIN WALL KIND OF TERMINATES AT THIS LOT. UM, THE PLACEMENT OF THE WALL ACTUALLY. 'CAUSE WE DID HAVE CONDITIONS ON BOTH THE EAST AND WEST SIDES THAT WE TRY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH TREE CANOPY AS POSSIBLE AND WE'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF BOUNDARY TREES AS WELL TO LIMIT THOSE IMPACTS. AND THEN IS THERE ONE MORE ON THE BACK SIDE? UM, BACK ON THE NORTH SIDE? YES. NORTH. NO, THOSE WILL BE KIND OF INTERNAL. SO THEY'LL, THOSE THE, THE GRADE WILL STEP DOWN TO THE BACK OF THE TOWN HOMES. OKAY. I THOUGHT I SAW A WALL OR ONE OF THE DRAWINGS, BUT NOT ON THAT ONE. OKAY. WE'VE WORKED WITH CIVIL TO JUST INTEGRATE SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE LDP COMMENTS AND UM, KIND OF STREAMLINE THE, THE PLANS A LITTLE BIT BACK HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY MORE STUFF ON THE SITE? ALRIGHT. THE ONLY THING I, AND IT, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO REALLY JUDGE THIS WITH WITHOUT SEEING THE ELEVATIONS, BUT IT, IT SEEMED ODD THAT THE LOTS ONE IN FIVE THAT THEIR POSITIONED SO THAT THE DRIVEWAY IS ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOME. I I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING. IT SEEMED, SEEMS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY WOULD'VE BEEN AWAY FROM THOMPSON STREET, ESPECIALLY LIVE FIVE COMING OUT OF THERE. THEY WERE RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION. AND AL AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE SEE THIS AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE THOMPSON STREET ELEVATIONS. YES. VERY CAREFULLY. I I FELT THAT, UM, [00:50:02] I, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT LOT ONE BECAUSE THE ORIENTATION OF, UH, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR ARE ALL, THEY ALL HAVE THE DRIVEWAY ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT ONE HAS IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE. UM, BUT WITH THAT LOT IT'S, IT'S SET BACK OFF THE ENTRANCE A LOT MORE THAN LOT FIVE WHERE IT ACTUALLY BISECTS THE, UH, THE APRON. THE DECORATIVE APRON. AND I WAS GONNA JUST ASK JENNIFER IF, UM, IF THERE WAS A THOUGHT EVER ALONG THE WAY TO WHAT WAS DRIVING THE DEPTH OF THE APRON, IF THE APRON COULD AT LEAST GET OUT OF THE PERSON'S DRIVEWAY, BUT YEAH, AND I I JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ARCHITECTURE REAL QUICK. THESE WERE MAINLY PLACEHOLDERS THAT THE BUILDER GAVE US TO PLACE IN THERE JUST SO THAT IT WAS A BASIC XY DIMENSION SO THAT THEY COULD GET A FEEL FOR THE LOTS. THESE ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE THE HOUSES THAT HAPPENED. THEY WERE JUST, THIS IS A, A PROJECT THAT HE'S WORKED ON OR A, A PRODUCT HE'S USED BEFORE AND SAID, USE THESE AS PLACEHOLDERS. I KNOW I CAN MAKE THIS HOUSE WORK ON THESE LOTS. THEN HE'LL GO AND, AND MAKE THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURE CHANGES. GOTCHA. COOL. SO THESE, THESE WERE TRULY PLACEHOLDERS. SO FLIPPING DRIVEWAYS, MOVING THINGS AROUND IS NOT, SHOULD NOT BE THAT BIG A DEAL. OH, GOOD, GOOD. OKAY. SORRY. BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL, UH, GREEN SPACE ON THE THOMPSON STREET SIDE, IS IT, IT'S HELPFUL. UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE FRONT YARD. I MIGHT HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD THIS. THERE'S A DECORATIVE WALL ALONG THOMPSON STREET AS WELL. IS OR IS THAT? NO, SO THE, THE CONDITION READS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE, IT'S AN EITHER OR SITUATION. SO A LOW WALL, UM, COLUMNS WITH A EVERGREEN HEDGE OR THE FENCE. WELL, SO THERE ARE TWO CONDITIONS THAT DEAL WITH FENCING. I WAS LOOKING AT CONDITION FOUR, CONDITION FOUR. UM, SO THE FRONT YARD SHALL BE FRAMED OF DECORATIVE LOW WALL METAL FENCING OR HEDGE WITH BRICKER STONE COLUMNS AS APPROVED BY DRB. AND THEN THE FRONT YARD OF THE TOWN HOMES IS DEFINED AS THE ALPHA LOOP SIDE OF THE BUILDING IN THE CONDITION. SO, UM, THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE LANDSCAPE STRIP FRONTAGE THAT WE HAVE ON THOMPSON STREET. AND SO WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT BY ADDING, UM, ALUMINUM FENCING TO FRAME ALL OF THESE FRONT YARDS. SO ALL OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND THEN ON THE ALPHA LOOP SIDE OF THE TOWN HOMES, YOU'LL SEE THIS LINE HERE DEPICTS A FENCE LINE. ARE THERE ANY, UH, REQUIRED SETBACKS OFF THE ALPHA LOOP, UH, PER DECORATIVE FENCING OR ANY KIND OF HARD SCAPE GETS PRETTY CLOSE. SO OUR FENCE LINE IS RIGHT ON THAT 40 FOOT SETBACK. SO IT'S A 40 FOOT SETBACK FROM THIS PROPERTY LINE HERE. GOTCHA. OKAY. MM-HMM . THERE WAS ALSO A CONDITION WE'RE SHOWING A, UM, FENCE LINE ALONG THE BACK PROPERTY LINE THAT WAS A SEPARATE CONDITION. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE DRB APPROVAL, BUT IT WAS ANOTHER ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS, UM, TO GIVE SOME SCREENING TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY AT THE NORTH. UM, UM, JENNIFER, I'M GONNA INTERJECT JUST A MINUTE. I, 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS AND THIS KIND OF DEALS WITH ERIC, WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING LOOKING AT. SO CONDITION NUMBER 11 SAYS, I'LL READ THIS ONE. HOMES ON LOCKS ONE AND FIVE SHALL BE ORIENTED TO THOMPSON STREET WITH VEHICULAR ACCESS FROM THE PRIVATE STREET WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION GARAGE. DOORS MAY NOT FACE THOMPSON STREET DETACHED HOME GARAGE DETACHED HOME GARAGE DOORS FACING THE NEW PRIVATE STREET SHALL BE RECESSED WITH A MINIMUM 10 FEET BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE ANYWAY, IT LOOKS LIKE CITY COUNCIL WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS, BUT I THINK IT COULD BE NOT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WAS LOCATED, BUT KIND OF, I I THINK WE COULD ADDRESS THAT WITH A CONDITION TO ORIENT THE DRIVEWAYS ON LOTS ONE AND FIVE TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHEN THEY DESIGNED THE ARCHITECTURE. OKAY. MAKES SENSE. ALRIGHT, SORRY WE GOT OFF TRACK A LITTLE BIT. NO WORRIES. FOR A QUICK NO, BUT WE HAVE, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE STRIP BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR OTHER CONDITION FOR, UM, THE SEPARATION ALONG THE LANDSCAPE STRIP OCCURS. UM, AND BECAUSE LOTS ONE AND FIVE ARE SUPPOSED TO FRONT THOMPSON STREET, WE'VE PROVIDED UM, UH, AN ACCESS THERE FOR BOTH. ONE SITS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN STREET LEVEL, SO THERE WILL BE SOME STEPS INVOLVED THERE IN THAT ACCESS. AND THEN FIVE IS A LITTLE MORE AT GRADE. UM, WE ALSO HAVE A CONDITION TO PROVIDE, UM, TREES WITHIN THE, UM, BEAUTY STRIP. SO THAT IS THIS STRIP ALONG THE FRONT SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK. WE'VE GOT, WHAT'S THAT STRIP, JENNIFER? PARDON? HOW WIDE IS THAT STRIP? UH, WHAT DID WE HAVE? SIX FEET I THINK. YEAH, SO [00:55:01] WE ALSO HAVE OVERHEAD POWER LINES IN THAT AREA. SO WE'RE, UM, WE'RE USING SERVICE BERRY, WE'RE PROPOSING SERVICE BERRY FOR, FOR THAT AREA TO KIND OF TIE IN WITH THE OTHER, UM, THAT WAS A COMMENT FROM LDP THAT WE TIE IN WITH THE LANDSCAPE AND TREE MATERIALS USED FOR THE REST OF THOMPSON STREET. SO WE'VE DONE THAT, UM, AS WELL AS REFERRING BACK TO THE THOMPSON STREET GUIDELINES, UM, FOR PLANTS PALLET SELECTION. SO WHAT IS THE STREET TREE ON THERE? UM, WE ARE USING THE SCHU MAR OAK AND SO ACROSS THE STREET YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT HERE A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS THE CONNECTION TO THE ALPHA LOOP. THIS GOES ALONG, UM, FOUNDRY. AND SO THIS IS, UM, A PIECE OF THAT MULTI-USE TRAIL. AND SO WITHIN THIS PARK THERE'S KIND OF JUST A MIXTURE OF OAKS, UM, ELMS UH, UNDERSTORY TREES. IT'S NOT JUST ONE CONTINUOUS TREE, BUT UM, SCHU MAR OAKS ARE USED, UM, PRETTY, UM, AND LARGE QUANTITIES THERE AS WELL. SO WE'VE JUST TIED IN THE SCHU MAR OAK FOR OUR STREET TREE OR OUR LANDSCAPE TREE IN THE LANDSCAPE STRIP. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE SCHU MAR'S INTERIOR OF THE WALK ON THE IN, WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE STRIP, THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP. OKAY. SO HERE. AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SPACED THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR SIZE THEY GET GREATER THAN THE UM, 25 FEET. SO THEN WE'VE UTILIZED THE CHASE TREE IN BETWEEN AS AN UNDERSTANDING. SO A POWER POLE IN THAT LANDSCAPE STRIP, OR EXCUSE ME, IN THE, IN THE BEAUTY STRIP AS WELL. ANY POWER POLES SITTING IN THERE? UH, NOT WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE STRIP, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH, UM, WITH IT. NO, THE BEAUTY STRIP. THE, YES. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE OHP. YEAH, THAT'S OUR OVERHEAD POWER. I SAW LIKE A BLACK DOT SITTING DOWN A LITTLE BIT LOWER ON THE WEST END RIGHT THERE. MM-HMM . I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A POWERFUL, I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAY. COULD BE, I'M NOT SURE, BUT NO WATER LINE UNDERNEATH TO GO WITH THIS. WE DO HAVE WATER METERS WITHIN THAT. SO WE'VE PLACED THESE TREES SO THAT THEY ARE, WE CAN, LET'S LOOK AT OUR, ARE WE CALLING THAT SIX FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE STRIP A BEAUTY STRIP OR IS THAT, WELL, SO CHEATED , JUST TRYING TO GET MY TERMS RIGHT. WELL IT'S NOT THE CODE LANDSCAPE STRIP. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THERE'S THE BEAUTY STRIP, WHICH GENERALLY HAPPENS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JENNIFER. GENERALLY HAPPENS BETWEEN SIDEWALK AND STREET. OKAY. LANDSCAPE STRIP HAPPENS BEHIND UTILITIES. OKAY. YEAH, I TURNED THIS OFF. . UH, YES. SO THE, THE LANDSCAPE, THE ANY REQUIRED LANDSCAPE STRIP HAS TO BE OUTSIDE OF UTILITIES. SO THOSE ARE ALWAYS THE MOST INTERIOR PORTION OF PROPERTIES. SO WHEN DAVID OR ANYBODY, MOST OF THE SITE FOLKS THAT WE ALL TIME, THAT'S GONNA BE WHATEVER'S IN RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT AWAY BASICALLY. OKAY. THIS, YES, ON THE STREET SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK. AND THEN OUR PROPERTY LINE IS RIGHT HERE, THIS KINDA DASH LINE. AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WE'VE LABELED THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP IS WITHIN THIS AREA AND IT CONTINUES ALL THE WAY DOWN THE, THE PROPERTY LINE. AND SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BETTER HERE OUTSIDE OF THE RENDERING, UM, WHERE WE HAVE OUR OVER STORY, UM, SCHU MAR TREES, THE CHASED IN BETWEEN, AND THEN THESE ARE OUR SERVICE BERRY TREES WITHIN THE BEAUTY STRIP. BUT YEAH, WE'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF UTILITIES WITHIN THAT AREA. YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS DO. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE OVERHEAD POWER LINE HERE. OKAY. JENNIFER, I HAVE A QUESTION WHILE YOU, IF YOU PUSH THAT BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT RIGHT THERE MM-HMM . SO, UM, MR. ROWAN WAS TALKING ABOUT FLIPPING THAT DRIVEWAY ON LOT FIVE MM-HMM . WHAT'S THAT GONNA DO WITH, IS THAT GONNA LEAVE YOU ENOUGH SPACING BETWEEN THOSE TWO TREES THEN? 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT TREE WOULD PROBABLY THEN GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OR WOULD IT BE ON THE LOT LINE THIS ONE SO IT, IT COULD STAY THERE AND STILL MOVE THE DRIVEWAY TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LOT? I THINK SO WE COULD RE-EXAMINE THAT. WE REALLY TRIED TO, UM, BUT ALSO WE HAD A CONDITION TO PROVIDE TREES ON ONE SIDE OF THIS, UH, MAIN DRIVE. UM, AND THEN SHRUBS ARE REQUIRED ON THIS SIDE, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO KIND OF MATCH THAT SO THAT IT'S A CONTINUOUS STREET SCAPE AND SO IT'S, IT'S MATCHED SIDE TO SIDE. SO IF THE DRIVES DID MOVE, WE WOULD REALIGN OUR TREE PLACEMENT TO KIND OF ONE THOUGHT AS A SUGGESTION ONLY, UM, YOU COULD FLIP ALL FIVE OF THOSE AND IF YOU DID THAT, THEN YOU COULD ALIGN ALL THE TREE IF YOU WANTED TO. YOU COULD ALIGN ALL THE TREES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE PRIVATE DRIVE ALL THE WAY BACK. MM-HMM . YEAH, WE COULD, I THINK THE IDEA THAT WE KINDA WENT WITH HERE WAS THAT, UM, SO ACROSS [01:00:01] THE STREET YOU'D BE ACROSS FROM EACH DRIVE WOULD BE A TREE. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PATTERN THAT WE'VE DONE HERE. THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON THAT INTERIOR STREET, CORRECT? OR IS THERE? THERE IS. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY ABOVE THE STORM LINE HERE. WE'VE PLACED THE STORM, SO IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR SIX FOOT PLANTER STRIP THAT'S REQUIRED. UM, IT'S JUST ON THE ONE SIDE. IT'S JUST ON THE ONE SIDE, BUT IT CONNECTS STREET, UM, THE STREET, THOMPSON STREET TO THE, UH, AMENITY GREEN SPACE HERE. OKAY. AND SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN I GUESS WHILE WE'RE HERE. UM, IS THAT FRONT SIDEWALK ALONG THOMPSON STREET? IS THAT INDEED GONNA HAVE THE THE BRICK INLAY? YEAH, SO THAT'S THE TOM THAT'S IN THIS THOMPSON STREET GUIDELINES. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT FOR THE MULTI-USE TRAIL VERSUS SIDEWALK. AND SO IT'S THE SIDEWALK THAT WE HAVE HERE ON OUR SIDE. UM, HAS THE KIND OF FRAMED RECTANGLES WITH THE BRICK, UH, LIKE A DOUBLE BRICK, IS THAT WHAT EXISTS THE REST OF THE WAY IN THOMPSON? WELL, WHERE IT'S BEEN DONE, THAT'S WHAT EXISTS OUT THERE, RIGHT? RIGHT. MM-HMM . NOT NECESSARILY WHAT EXISTS. RIGHT. BUT WHERE IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED AND IT'S NOT PART OF THE MULTI-USE TRAIL. YES. THERE'S NOT MUCH OF IT. THERE'S, THERE'S MAYBE ONLY TWO SPOTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AND THERE'S SMALLER ONES. SO IT'S, IT'S COME PART OF THE TOP OF STREET. SO IT'LL TAKE, I MEAN AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T COME UP BEING LIKE THIS HOP SCOTCH OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS, WHICH IT'S, I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S STARTING TO GET THAT WAY AS THE MULTI TRAIL KIND OF DOES THIS, BUT YEAH. 'CAUSE THE MULTI-USE TRAIL PICKS UP RIGHT AT THE PARK, AT THE POND PARK. AND SO IT DOES SWITCH OVER THERE FOR A, FOR A BIT. IT KIND OF, BUT IT'S YOUR FAULT. RIGHT? I JUST THAT'S HIS NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION FOR 2026 IS TO GET, GET IT ALL DONE. I WISH I WOULD'VE BOUGHT A COUPLE OF THOSE HOUSES ON THOMPSON STREET. ME TOO. WHEN I MOVED HERE. I, SO, UM, WE CAN LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE HERE. ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS. SO GOING BACK TO THAT, UH, THE OPTION FOR SEPARATION ALONG THE LANDSCAPE STRIP. LET'S SEE, WHICH ONE IS THAT? SO NUMBER NINE, THE PROJECT ENTRANCE SHALL INCLUDE DE UH, DECORATIVE LANDSCAPING LOW WALLS, OR HEDGE WITH BRICKER STONE COLUMNS AS APPROVED BY DRB. AND THEN THE HOA SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REG REGULAR MAINTENANCE. SO FOR THE LANDSCAPE STRIP, WE'VE CHOSEN TO GO WITH THE, UM, DECORATIVE COLUMNS AND THEN A CONTINUOUS EVERGREEN HEDGE TO PROVIDE KIND OF A GREEN FENCE. NINE IS FOR THE ENTRANCE, FOUR IS FOR THE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONT. WELL, SO I WAS CONFUSED AT FIRST ABOUT THAT. SO, AND THEN THAT WAS A COMMENT FROM DAVID. SO THE FRONT YARDS ARE ACTUALLY, UM, THE FRONT YARDS OF WHICH TECHNICALLY I GUESS ONE IN FIVE WOULD BE FRONT TO THOMPSON, BUT ALL THE REST OF THESE, AND THEN THE FRONT YARD HERE. SO IT'S A SEPARATE CONDITION FOR THE, WE INTERPRETED THE ENTRANCE AS LIKE THE LANDSCAPE STRIP AND THE, IN, LIKE THE ENTRYWAY TO THE SITE. OH, FOR, FOR NUMBER NINE IT WAS A BIT CONFUSING. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. BUT WE SWITCH OVER. SO WE'VE PROPOSED THE ALUMINUM PICKET FENCE FOR THE FRAMING OF THE FRONT YARDS, AND THAT WILL TIE INTO THE COLUMNS AT THE FRONT. BUT THEN ALONG THE LANDSCAPE STRIP WE PROVIDED, UM, COLUMNS. SO YOUR COLUMNS WOULD BE FRAMING THESE, UM, ACCESS POINTS TO THE TWO FRONT LOTS. AND SO YOU WOULD HAVE ONE HERE, ONE HERE, ONE AT THE ENTRANCE, ANOTHER ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND THE SAME KIND OF PATTERN. AND ARE THOSE JUST STANDALONE COLUMNS? THEY'RE STANDALONE COLUMNS WITH AN EVERGREEN HEDGE AS THE WALL. AND THAT WAS AN OPTION STATED IN THE SURE CONDITION. SO WHAT DOES THE COLUMN LOOK LIKE? IT'S, UH, ON L FIVE, UM, JENNIFER, UH MM-HMM . WHAT DROVE THE HEIGHT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR FOOT, EIGHT INCH HEIGHT OF THE COLUMNS? CAN YOU PULL THOSE UP FIRST? SURE. THE, THE, THE REASON WHY I ASK IS, UM, OVER ON, IN, IN, UH, MANNING ON THE SQUARE, UH, SOMEHOW THEY GOT, UH, REALLY TALL, LIKE FIVE FOOT COLUMNS APPROVED. MM-HMM . AND THE PEOPLE WHOSE HOMES THEY WERE UP AGAINST WENT NUTS AND THEY TORE 'EM OUT AND PUT IN LIKE TWO [01:05:02] , EIGHT. IT WASN'T MY HOME OBVIOUSLY, BUT . BUT LIKE, THERE WAS A HUGE UPROAR AND, UH, BECAUSE THEY JUST LOOKED KIND OF OUT OF SCALE. OVERWHELMING A BIT. YEAH. SO, WELL, SO THE FOUR FOOT EIGHT, SO WE'LL HAVE A FOUR FOOT, UM, FENCING TYING IN ALONG THE OKAY. THE, THAT SENSE DRIVE BASICALLY. YEAH. SO YOU NEED THAT LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA PLUS THEN THE CAT, SO THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIGGER THAN THAT. SO. OH, SO THERE IS A FENCE. THEY'RE NOT STANDALONE. SO THE FENCE TIES IN ALONG THE ENTRY DRIVE. SO LIKE YOU'VE GOT A COLUMN RIGHT HERE, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS FENCING THAT'S REQUIRED TO FRAME THE FRONT OF THE LOTS KIND OF RUNS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE HERE. BUT THAT WOULD TIE INTO THE BACKSIDE OF THAT COLUMN. OKAY. AND THEN ALONG THOMPSON STREET, THERE IS NO FENCE, BUT THERE IS THE COLUMNS. CORRECT. IN THE COLUMNS AT THE STAIRS OR THE CONNECTIONS. ALRIGHT. MM-HMM . SO CAN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE COLUMNS AGAIN REAL QUICK? YES. LEMME GO BACK. YES. AND SO I BELIEVE WE'VE SAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE, IT'LL BE VENEER, UM, EITHER BRICK OR STONE. IT'S SIMILAR TO THE WALL VENEER TO MATCH THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE WHEN WE KNOW WHAT THOSE MATERIALS ARE GONNA BE. I STILL CAN'T SEE THAT. HOW, HOW WIDE ARE THOSE? THERE WE GO. THREE WITH THE, WITH THE CAP, WITH THE LITTLE OVERHANG. THREE FOOT 8, 3 3 BY FIVE. AND I GOTTA AGREE WITH YOU ALONG THE, THE FRONTS WHERE THERE'S STANDALONES KIND OF TALL, I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE IT, IT WAS REALLY LIKE A MUTINY . I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE IF, IF THERE'S A FENCE PLUGGING INTO IT. UM, THAT'S KIND OF A TYPICAL, I FEEL LIKE COLUMN SIZE WHEN YOU HAVE COLUMN AND FENCING TOGETHER THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE A FOUR FOOT FENCE AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE JUST A LITTLE OVER THE FOUR FEET FOR THE COLUMN. UM, AND THEN ON THE TOP END OF, I THINK THE ONES THAT MR. ROWAN WERE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK THEY, THEY QUICKLY APPROACHED SIX FOOT TALL. YEAH. WHICH WAS PART OF THE, AND A BIG PIECE WAS THEY WERE, THERE WAS NO FENCE TIED INTO IT. SO THESE, LIKE, THEY WERE THREE, FOUR FEET WIDE BY, THEY WERE, THEY WERE REALLY BIG YEAH. STANDING. YEAH. IT LOOKED LIKE MONUMENTS. I GUESS IF YOU HAVE A FOUR FOOT FENCE, THE COLUMN HAS TO BE AT LEAST FOUR FEET. SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE. YEAH. CAN'T BE, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STANDALONE ONES. THERE'S NOT THE STAND, NOT THE ONES ON THE CORNER. OH, THAT'S WHAT I SAID. I SAID IF IT, IF A FENCE PLUG INTO IT PLUGS INTO IT. THAT MAKES SENSE. WHY DON'T YOU, CAN YOU, JENNIFER, CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE THE STANDALONE COLUMNS ARE? I, I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BE BELIEVE HERE. I'M JUST, THAT'S JUST A, WE DO HAVE THE STANDALONES ON EITHER SIDE OF THESE IN, UM, CONNECTIONS TO THOMPSON STREET FOR THESE TWO. SO WE'LL HAVE A COLUMN FLANKING EITHER SIDE HERE. THERE'S NOTHING WITH THEM. WITH THE EVERGREEN HEDGE BETWEEN THE ONES AT THE ENTRANCE DRIVE. THOSE WILL HAVE THE FENCE TIED INTO THEM. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THIS ONE BACK HERE, HERE WILL BE KIND OF SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE WALL SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE WALL. NOT WELL, LIKE INTO THE WALL, NOT DEPENDING ON, WE, WE MAY NEED TO WORK THAT OUT WHERE IT COULD MAYBE TERMINATE INTO THE COLUMN. UM, WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THE GRADES RIGHT THERE. 'CAUSE WE'RE ON THE LOWER SIDE. THE TOP END SHOWS SAME. IT SHOWS A CURVED WALL COMING INTO THE PROPOSED HEDGE COLUMN THERE AS WELL. YES. SO OUR HEDGE KIND OF FLOWS IN FRONT OF THAT WALL. OKAY. SO REALLY THE ONLY TWO STANDAL, UH, THE STANDALONES ARE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ENTRANCE. REALLY? ARE THEY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STEPS OR TOP OF THE STEPS TOP? SO THAT SIDE WILL, THEY'LL BE REALLY TALL. 'CAUSE YOU SAID IT WAS MM-HMM . YOU HAVE STEPS GOING UP. OH. 'CAUSE YOU'LL JUST HAVE A POST AT THE BOTTOM. AND THE, AND THE INTENT OF THOSE STEPS IS, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S A, UM, CAME OUT OF THE AUDIENCE THERE. THE HANDRAIL WILL TIE INTO THOSE STANDALONE COLUMNS FOR THE STAIRWAY FENCE. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE OVER 36 INCHES. SO THERE, I MEAN THERE'S A LOT GOING ON ON THE STREET AND OBVIOUSLY MY FOCUS IS ON THOMPSON STREET. YES. AND THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE. I JUST, WELL, THOSE, THOSE ARE COMMENTS AT THIS POINT. SO WHAT, WHATEVER THE FENCING LOOKS LIKE, THE RATING LOOKS LIKE. HOW DOES THAT, HOW DO THOSE, IT'S CALLED A PROPOSED HEAD COLUMN ON, OH SHOOT, I LOST THE SHEET . UM, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST THE TREE PLAN IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT. UM, L 4.0. NO, THIS MIGHT BE EASIER. THIS IS OUR ENLARGEMENT OF THE, UM, FRONTAGE THERE. SO I'M LOOKING AT SHEET 3.0 L 3.0 AND THAT KINDA SHOWS HOW THE WALLS PLUG INTO THE COLUMNS AND THE TREES [01:10:01] AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO I MEAN, I, I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE OTHER, THE HEDGE COLUMN NEEDS TO BE SET AND SUCH HEIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE HOUSE. I THINK THE LANDSCAPING WILL, WILL SCALE IT SOME AS WELL. ERIC SHOWED ME THE PICTURE OF THE ONE AT THE INFAMOUS TEAR DOWN OUR COLUMNS COLUMN. AND THEY WERE JUST STANDALONE COLUMNS WITH LANDSCAPING IT ALL AROUND THEM. WHICH IS, I THEY WERE ON EITHER SIDE OF LIKE A FIVE OR SIX FOOT SIDEWALK. YOU'RE ALL SIDEWALKS LIKE EIGHT FEET THAT LEADS TO THE HOMES. RIGHT. WHICH HELPS PROPORTIONALLY I THINK. AND SHE'S GOT LANDSCAPING THE ROUND THAT LANDSCAPING AROUND. MM-HMM . HOW ALL THAT STUFF TIES TOGETHER WITH THE STREETSCAPE IS GONNA BE KEY. MM-HMM . ARE THEY CONDITIONED THOSE STANDALONES? YES. WELL, IT'S AN OPTION FOR, IT'S EITHER OR THAT WE PROVIDE ALONG THE FRONTAGE. I ALWAYS CALL THAT CONDITION. THE WOODMAN. YEAH. UM, IS THE INTENT OF THOSE STEPS RIGHT THERE TO GO TO THE FRONT DOOR ESSENTIALLY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME RIGHT THERE? YES. OKAY. WE HAVE A BIT OF A GREAT CHANGE BETWEEN THE FFE AND THE UH, STREET. I MEAN, IT'S NOT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC OBVIOUSLY. NO. TO ACCESS THAT, THAT'S JUST THE CONVENIENCE FOR THE HOMEOWNER. I BELIEVE THAT, I BELIEVE THAT WAS IN ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS THAT THEY PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE, TO THE STREET. IT IS. WELL, I AGREE THAT, BUT IT'S LIKE, OKAY. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST, SO IF THERE'S A RAILING THERE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A RAILING THERE. AND PRESUMABLY ON THE OTHER ONE THERE ISN'T 'CAUSE THERE'S NO STEPS. CORRECT. YEAH. THERE'S STEPS ON THE OTHER ONE TOO, AREN'T THERE? I DON'T THINK SO. NO, NO, NO. IT'S MORE AT GRAY TO THE WEST. OH, OKAY. THAT'S ACCURATE. YEAH. GOT IT. JENNIFER, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NUMBER FOUR FOR THAT ONE? NO. WHERE'S OUR FENCE ORS? THE OTHER, OKAY. FOUR AND NINE ARE VERY SIMILAR. SO I THINK IT'S NINE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FRONTAGE ENTRANCE, THE ENTRANCE LOW WALLS PAGE WITH STONE. THEY'RE SIMILAR BUT NOT, I AM SORRY, I JUST, I'M SORRY. IS THERE, IS THERE A, IS THERE A, A PHOTO DEPICTION OF WHAT THE FENCING LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT THE RAILING LOOKS LIKE? BECAUSE I, I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT IN HERE. UH, WE HAVE DETAILS. UH, LET'S SEE. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED RAIL, JUST YOUR TYPICAL ALUMINUM PICKET. UM, THE CHANNEL RAIL AT THE TOP. BUT WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T ILLUSTRATED THOSE ELEMENTS TOGETHER. I GUESS AN ELEVATION. WHAT HEIGHT IS THAT? OR IS THAT JUST, I THINK IT SAYS FOUR FEET. FOUR FEET. IT SHOULD BE FOUR FEET. SO THAT WOULD, THE RAILING WOULD MIMIC THAT FENCE IF IT COMES DOWN TO THE STREET OFF OF THE WHATEVER. THAT LOT IS THE TOP LOT THERE. I THINK WE NEED TO DO BETTER AS FAR AS A RAILING GOES RATHER THAN MIMIC THE FENCING THAT MIGHT ALREADY GO ALONG THE INTERIOR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. WELL WE'VE CHOSEN AS PART OF THE, AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS IN THE CONDITION TO DO THE COLUMN WITH THE EVERGREEN HEDGE AS OUR FENCE ALONG THE FRONT. I GET IT. I'M JUST SAYING IF THERE'S A RAILING THAT COMES DOWN BECAUSE OF THOSE STEPS, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT TOP LOT? SO I'M NOT I'M NOT TOP LOT ONE. SO IF THERE'S A RAILING COMING DOWN OFF OF THOSE STANDALONE COLUMNS, UH, THERE, I'M NOT PROPOSING A RAILING THERE. THE RAILING WOULD START. I THINK IT'S HARD TO SEE HERE. 'CAUSE WE HAVE A STORM, THE WALL KIND OF ENDS BACK HERE IN THIS CORNER. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE A A HANDRAIL THAT WOULD COME DOWN THOSE STEPS. 'CAUSE OF THE STEPS THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE A HANDRAIL. RIGHT. AND WE JUST DON'T KNOW. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE IS AND WHAT THE STY YOU KNOW, STYLIZATION OF WHAT THE ORNAMENTATION ARE. THEY GONNA HAVE SHUTTER DOGS THAT WE CAN MATCH THAT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'M, I'M LIKE, I WANT . YEAH. AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD BRING BACK WHEN WE DO LOT ONE. THAT'S SOMETHING, A DETAIL THAT WE WOULD HAVE BETTER HANDLE ON ONCE WE KNEW WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE LOOKED LIKE, YOU COULD ALMOST CONNECT IT TO THE ARCHITECTURE. CORRECT. THE OTHER THING IS, IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE, THE GRADE FOLLOWS THE STAIRS ON BOTH SIDES. MM-HMM . IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE A FENCE A BARRIER. IT'S JUST GONNA BE A SINGLE, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A HANDRAIL. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IT'S JUST, I WAS A LITTLE ALARMED WHEN SHE SAID THAT THE RAIN WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT FENCE. I'M LIKE, I THINK WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS IT WOULD COMPLEMENT AND MATCH WITH BY, YOU KNOW, COLOR AND SCALE AND THINGS. BUT, BUT AGAIN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THAT STYLE OF THAT HOME ENDS UP BEING. THE, THE REST OF IT IS WHAT IT'S RIGHT. AND AGAIN, THAT WE'RE SHOWING THAT AS WHERE THE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE ARCHITECTURE THAT I WAS PROVIDED TO DO THE [01:15:01] PLANNING WORK. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT WHERE THE FRONT DOOR WILL BE AND WHERE IT, IT'LL MAYBE BE MORE INSET. IT MAY ON ONE OF THE OTHER CORNERS. I JUST DON'T, I LIKE THE COLUMNS AND THE HEDGES AND ALL THAT STUFF AND STAYING AWAY FROM THE FENCE ALONG THE FRONT OF THOMPSON STREET. MM-HMM . THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL GOOD I THINK. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN ODD CONDITION. AND THEY SAID THIS, THIS, THIS OR THIS, AND I CALL IT THE WOODMAN BECAUSE IT, IT SHOWS UP ON ALL THESE AS AS YOU GO. THE WOODMAN . UM, SO LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE HERE? UM, WE HAD A CONDITION, UH, NUMBER 12 FOR THE CREEPING VINES TO BE PLANTED TO COVER THE RETAINING WALLS AND LOW WALLS AS APPROVED BY DRB. UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, WE'VE GOT, UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, SO WE'VE GOT CREEPING FIG ON THE LOWER SIDE TO CLIMB UP THE WALLS, BUT ALSO ON THE TOP OF THE WALLS WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, MADISON STAR, JASMINE TO KINDA SPILL OVER. SO YOU KIND OF HAVE LIKE A DOUBLE LAYERED EFFECT, UM, FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL. UM, AND THEN FROM THE TOP AS WELL. IT IS THE IDEA TO COMPLETELY SCREEN BECAUSE THE PHOTO OF THE, OF THE IMAGERY YOU PROVIDED OF THE VENEER ON THE WALL, IF IT INDEED IS LIKE A MASONRY MM-HMM . CUT STONE WALL. I, I THINK YOU LET THAT PLAY AS MUCH AS YOU CAN AND THEN TRY TO HIT YOUR CONDITION AS WELL. SO WE BUT IS THE IDEA TO SCREEN IT ENTIRELY OR JUST ACCENT IT? NO, BUT WE DID HAVE A COMMENT FROM LDP THAT WE NEEDED MORE. SO WE ADDED MORE HIS COMMENT. WAS THERE MORE VINES? YOU HAVE A NAME FOR THAT? WELL, I WOULD, I, I THINK I DO , SO I MEAN I DON'T, I THINK I CAN REVERSE CONDITION THAT TO, TO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, TO ACCENT MASONRY WALL WALLS TO MEET IT. I MEAN TO SCREEN A A, A MASONRY CUT STONE WALL MM-HMM . IS A DISSERVICE TO THE PROJECT AND IN AND OF ITSELF. SO, UH, NUMBER 12, I SAW IT IN THERE. MM-HMM . AND, AND I THINK THE CONDITION AS IT, AS IT IS INTENDED IS FOR, YOU KNOW, A A A CONCRETE BLOCK WALL OR FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT A STONE NATURAL STONE VENEERED WALL. SO, WELL, AND PAT, TO YOUR POINT, THE CONDITION SAYS RETAINING WALLS. SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE THOUGHT. IT WAS GONNA BE CONCRETE. THEY WANTED TO TRY TO HIDE IT. WELL THEY ARE CONCRETE, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE, IT IS A VENEERED CONCRETE. WELL IT'S A VENEERED. YEAH. MM-HMM . IT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, RIGHT. SO IS IS THAT FAIR? I MEAN TO I THINK SO. YEAH. I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. WE JUST, WE ADDED MORE BECAUSE OF THE, THE COMMENT. THIS ONE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT 'CAUSE WE HAVE LDP COMMENTS AHEAD OF, YOU KNOW SURE. THE CONDITION APPROVAL HERE AT THE DRB. SO WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO WORK BOTH OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, SATISFY THE CONDITIONS, THE COMMENTS. UM, I LIKE THE LOOK OF IF ALWAYS MAKES ALL LIKE YOUR IMAGES SHOWS LIKE MM-HMM . BOSTON IVY GOING ON IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SORT OF THING. . YEAH. SO MADISON STAR, THE JASMINE, IT WAS ON THE, UM, THOMPSON STREET PLANT PALLET LIST THAT WE SELECTED FROM AS WELL. SO WE TRIED TO STAY IN THAT PALLET OF PLANTS FOR THE WHOLE SITE. UM, SO YEAH, WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THE WALLS. UM, LET'S SEE. CONDITION 13 TALKS ABOUT THE CENTRAL AMENITY SPACE, UM, SHALL BE DEVELOPED WITH DECORATIVE LANDSCAPING, HARDSCAPE AND SEEDING AS APPROVED BY DRB LANDSCAPE MATERIAL SHALL INCLUDE PLANT SELECTIONS PROMOTING THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. UM, AND IT SHALL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA. SO THIS IS OUR AMENITY AREA AT THE BACK HERE. UM, WE ARE ON TOP OF UNDERGROUND DETENTION. UM, SO WE'VE KEPT OUR TREE MATERIAL TO THE EDGE OF THAT PERIMETER OUTSIDE OF THE EASEMENT THERE. AND THEN REALLY WE'VE JUST TRIED TO LANDSCAPE THIS. WE'VE GOT ONE LITTLE, UM, WALKWAY THAT COMES THROUGH SOME GREEN SPACE HERE AT THE FRONT. WE'VE ADDED, UM, SHRUBS AROUND THE MAIL KIOSK. UM, AND THEN WE FULLY PLANTED THE AREA BACK BEHIND, UH, IN BETWEEN THE, THE SIDEWALK, THE ALLEY. AND UH, THIS HOME IS THAT, IS THAT TURF HERE? THAT WOULD BE GRASS, YES. WATER, GRASS. MM-HMM . YES. AND SO IT'S JUST A MIXTURE OF PLANT MATERIAL. WE HAVE SOME IMAGERY AT THE END, I CAN SHOW YOU GUYS, BUT [01:20:01] IT'S JUST SOME GRASSES. UM, LAURA PETAL TO GET THE PURPLE. UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SEASONAL. SO WE HAVE PLANT INTERESTS YEAR ROUND BASICALLY. UM, IN THE AREA THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON. WE HAVE SOME KILOMETER TREES AT THE BACK MIXED WITH THE EVERGREEN HEDGE ALONG THE BOUNDARY FOR THIS LOT. UM, AT THE BACK WE HAVE OUR KIND OF NATURAL AREA THAT WE'VE TRIED TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE, YOU KNOW, EXISTING MATERIAL AS POSSIBLE PER ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS. UM, BUT WE'VE PLANTED UP UNTIL THAT DISTRICT LAWN, IS THAT JUST A MULCH HALF HALFWAY? NO, IT WOULD BE A CONCRETE SIDEWALK. YES. SO, AND THAT PARK COVERS A DETENTION POND UNDERNEATH IT. IT'S NOT A POND, IT'S UNDERGROUND DETENTION. SO IT'S UNDERGROUND. YOU DON'T, YEAH. YOU DON'T SEE IT. IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE ROOT SYSTEM OR ANYTHING FOR THE TREES, THE SOIL DEPTH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO THE TREES WE'VE KEPT OUTSIDE OF THAT PERIMETER, OUTSIDE OF THE CLEAR ZONE, WE JUST HAVE, UM, SMALL SHRUBS AND GRASSES ON TOP. GOTCHA. YES. THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION. JENNIFER. ARE THERE ANY, UM, LARGE GRATES, MANHOLES OR ACCESS POINTS TO THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION THAT WOULD INFRINGE ON THE PARK SPACE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T, I WOULDN'T THINK SO. DO WE KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE GONNA BE STEEP? I PRESUME YOU'D BE ABLE TO HIDE 'EM PRETTY GOOD RIGHT NOW SINCE, SINCE WE'RE HAVING TO CREEP OUT INTO SOME OF THE ROADWAY AREAS, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THOSE IN THE ROADWAY AREAS. PERFECT. OR IN SIDEWALK AREAS WHERE POSSIBLE. THERE, THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO BASED UPON THE WAY THE CUT THE, UH, THE CUT SHEETS HAPPEN WHERE WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE LANDSCAPE AREA, BUT THEY'LL DEFINITELY BE OUTSIDE OF THE TURF. GOTCHA. AND THEN THE, UM, THE, THE BOX WITH THE XI PRESUME THAT'S LIKE A MALE KIOSK? YES. YES. OKAY, COOL. YEP. MM-HMM . AND SO THE PARK SIDEWALK TIES INTO THE SIDEWALK, UM, ALONG THE ALLEY HERE. THIS IS PARKING AND WE HAVE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL. BUT THEN THIS KIND OF CREATES A LITTLE LOOP. JENNIFER, I'M GONNA BE BELIEVE IT ONE MORE TIME 'CAUSE I'M SEEING THE IMAGERY OF THE CREEPING FIG ON THE COLUMN. UM, WHERE, WHERE ARE YOUR VINE LOCATIONS AT? ARE THEY, SO ALL OF THESE LITTLE, SO THE TRIANGLE HERE, THE SHADED TRIANGLE, THESE ARE AT THE LOWER SIDE OF THE WALL. THOSE ARE THE FIG. OKAY. AND SO THEN OVER HERE, UM, WE'VE PROVIDED THE FIG ON THE LOWER SIDE. AND THEN ON THE UPPER SIDE WE HAVE THE MADISON STAR, JASMINE. SO IT'S THIS LITTLE KIND OF HALF CIRCLE AT THE TOP OF THE WALL TO SPILL OVER. SO IN THAT CASE, ON THE WEST END THERE, ON THE WEST IS DOWN, RIGHT? WEST IS TOP. THIS IS UP HERE. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT, YOU'RE ONLY SCREENING FOR THE BACKYARDS OF THESE HOMES? YES. YEAH. YES. GOTCHA. AND IS JENNIFER, IS ALL THE LANDSCAPING IRRIGATED? IT WILL BE. OKAY. YES. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE A LITTLE SEATING NOTE HERE. UM, A DA ACCESSIBLE, UM, AS REQUIRED PER THE CONDITION FOR THE AMENITY AREA, WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED, UM, SEATING AREAS, UM, ALONG THOMPSON STREET. WE HAVE TWO ONE ON EITHER SIDE. I SAW A BICYCLE RACK I THINK ON THE DESIGN. WHERE WAS THAT? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SHOWN THAT. ACTUALLY. IT WOULD PROBABLY MOST LIKELY BE IN THIS, UM, AMENITY SPACE. WE WOULD LOCATE THAT, UM, PROBABLY NEXT TO THE KIOSK. WE CAN ADD THAT IN. I, I WAS JUST SAYING, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BELEAGUER THAT WHOLE MUCH FURTHER THE VINES AND THE WALLS. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE PERIPHERY STUFF. MM-HMM . UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THOMPSON STREET AND A VIEW FROM THOMPSON STREET. SO, NO, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S, YOU SPEND ALL THAT MONEY ON THAT VENEER AND THEN COVER IT IN VINES. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY GO TO THE EXPENSE OF HAVING A VENEER? THAT'S A GOOD POINT. EXCUSE ME, PATRICK. THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE TOO OFTEN WE LOOK AT WALLS THAT ARE NICELY BUILT AND DESIGNED AND THEY GET COVERED UP NOT JUST WITH VINES BUT WITH SHRUBS. YEAH. SO THAT [01:25:01] WAS CONDITION 13. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS NUMBER 16. UH, DEVELOPER SHALL PLANT MINIMUM SIX INCH CALIBER CANOPY TREES ON EITHER SIDE OF NEW PRIVATE STREET AT THE BEGINNING AND END OF THE STREET. AND IN THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIPS AS APPROVED BY DRB. SO YEAH, SIX INCH CALIBER TREES. SO WE'VE SPECIFIED SIX INCH ALONG THE MAIN DRIVE AND, UM, THE LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG THOMPSON AND THE LANDSCAPE IN A BE LANDSCAPE , IT'S A 60 INCH BALL, BUT YEAH, THAT'S HUGE FOOT FAIR. IT'S A SIX INCH PLANT OR A SIX FOOT PLANTER. YEAH. THE GENESIS OF, OF THAT CONDITION WAS FROM ACADEMY PARK. SO THEY, THEY WERE ASKING FOR MORE MATURE LANDSCAPING AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, THE DRAINAGE ISSUES TO THE BACK. SO A LOT OF WHO IS IN ACADEMY PARK? , , NO COMMENT. . UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT. WE'VE TRIED TO MATCH THOSE IN A, UM, NICE STREET SCAPE, UM, PATTERN DOWN THE MAIN DRIVE. UM, AND THEY'RE SPECIFIED AT SIX INCH CALIPER. UM, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE, NUMBER 17, UH, DEVELOPERS SHALL MAKE REASONABLE EFFORTS TO SAVE TREES WITHIN THE FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIPS ALONG THE EAST AND WEST PROPERTY LINES, UH, AS APPROVED BY STAFF. THEN THE REMAINING AREA OF THE LANDSCAPE STRIP SHALL BE PLANTED WITH A MIX OF EVERGREEN AND SHADE TREES AS APPROVED BY DRB. SO, UM, WE HAVE, AS WE'VE KIND OF DISCUSSED THIS, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE, UH, LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE. WE'VE PULLED THOSE BACK. THE WALLS HAVE BEEN LOCATED IN PLACES WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO PRESERVE KIND OF, OR, UM, LIMIT THE IMPACTS TO SOME OF THOSE CRITICAL ROOT ZONES, UH, ALONG THE EAST AND WEST BOUNDARIES. UM, AND THEN WHERE WE HAVE GAPS IN THE TREE CANOPY, THE CZS, WE'VE PLANTED A MIX OF EVERGREEN AND DECIDUOUS TREES TO MEET OUR LANDSCAPE STRIP REQUIREMENTS. WHERE YOU AT? WITH DENSITY RIGHT ON IT? DENSITY. LET'S LOOK AT, I THINK WE ARE, WE HAVE A BIT OF SPECIMEN RECOMPENSE ON THIS SITE. UH, BUT DENSITY, YEAH, WE'RE THERE, WE WERE REQUIRED TO ADD 45 INCHES. SO, UM, WE WERE ACQUIRED ONE 30. WE'RE AT, AT EXACTLY ONE 30. AND THEN, UM, WE SATISFY ALL OF OUR RECOMPENSE ON SITE AS WELL. OKAY. AND SO REALLY THOSE ARE THE, UM, WE COULD LOOK AT OUR PLANT PALETTE. SO WHILE YOU'RE, SINCE YOU HAVEN'T, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ELEVATION MATERIALS YET AND THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE HOMES ARE JUST SORT OF PLACEHOLDERS DO, I GUESS YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE AIR CONDITIONING CONDENSERS ARE GONNA GO? NO, NOT YET. NO. SO WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE COME BACK WITH, I GUESS ELEVATIONS. YEAH. WHAT SPEAK OF THAT, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE, UM, WHAT'S THE SCHEDULE FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES COMING, COMING TO FRUITION? I'M NOT SURE. NEXT MONTH SCHEDULE, NEXT YEAR NEXT. MY BEST GUESS IS ONCE, ONCE WE HAVE THE, THE CIVIL PLANS APPROVED AND THEY'VE STARTED DOING THE, THE CLEARING WORK AND GETTING THE LOTS TOGETHER, I THINK THAT'S WHEN HE'LL REALLY HIT IT, HIT IT HARD. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS. I WOULD SAY YOU PROBABLY SEE IT LATE SPRING, EARLY SUMMER. OKAY. IT WOULD BE MY BEST GUESS. ALRIGHT. THIS IS JUST SOME OF OUR PLANT IMAGERY THAT WE'RE USING. MIX OF EVERGREEN AND DECIDUOUS, EVERGREEN AT THE EDGES. UM, SHRUBS TO CREATE JUST YEAR-ROUND INTEREST. WE'VE PULLED EVERYTHING, UM, FROM THE THOMPSON STREET PALLET. WE'VE USED SOME IMPROVED CULTIVARS OF SOME OF THE RECOMMENDED PLANTS, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. YEAH, IT'S IN LINE. AND WE SAW THIS BEFORE. THERE'S OUR SIDEWALK, THE FRAME SIDEWALK. THERE'S AN EXAMPLE ACTUALLY DOWN HERE OF THE HEDGE WITH THE COLUMNS. OUR COLUMNS WOULD NOT LOOK LIKE THIS. THEY WOULD HAVE VENEER THE STONE OR BRICK. BUT, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT, I GUESS TO ACHIEVE. [01:30:01] UM, IS A MATURE EVERGREEN HEDGE BETWEEN THE COLUMNS ALONG THE FRONT EDGE. GOOD STOVE PIPE, CACTUS. YEAH. . YEAH. THAT'S STRANGE. BUT IT'S THE ESSENCE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE. WOULD THAT BE THE NORTH POINT? ? SO, I MEAN, ARE YOU TRYING TO MIMIC A HEDGE THAT TALL? WE HAVE COMPACT TO HOLLY, SO NO, NO. IT CAN BE NICELY MAINTAINED AND TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE IN SCALE WITH THOSE COLUMNS, BRETT. THOSE MAY BE IN THE ECO DISTRICT GUIDELINES. YEAH, THEY'RE ECO FROM MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, JENNIFER, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT, WILL THE, WILL THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE A, ANY KIND OF A MONUMENT SIGN? POSSIBLY DELINEATING 2 72 OR 2 76? OR JUST CURIOUS IF WE DID. IT MAY BE INCORPORATED MAYBE INTO THE COLUMNS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A PLATE, MAYBE TWO PLATES, JUST SOMETHING CLEAN AND THAT WOULDN'T BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT AREA. CAN I USE ONE OF YOUR TERMS? YOU MENTIONED EARLIER SIMPLISTIC ELEGANCE, . YES. YEAH. AND OVER THE TOP MONUMENT SIGN JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THIS LOCATION. I'M SURPRISED THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR ART . THERE'S NOT . THAT NEVER MATTERS. NEVER MATTERS. QUESTION OF COORDINATIONS. UH, REAL QUICK, JENNIFER, HOW DOES VEHICLE TURNAROUND WORK ON THE STREET THAT FRONTS THE TOWN HOMES? I SAW THE PARKING ON THERE. HOW WOULD LIKE A DELIVERY VEHICLE TURN AROUND ON THAT STREET? UM, WELL YOU'LL, WELL THERE IS, THERE IS PARKING HERE. YEAH. SO THEY COULD PULL IN AND THEN BACK OUT. UM, USE THE DRIVES. I GUESS THEY WOULD PULL INTO A DRIVEWAY AND THEN BACK OUT. YEAH. EITHER PULL INTO A DRIVEWAY OR THEY WOULD JUST PARK IN THE STREET. IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S MEANT, IT MEETS THE NFPA UH, FIRETRUCK TURNAROUND. OKAY. THAT, THAT LITTLE T INTERSECTION. SO THAT'S USUALLY WHEN WE MEET THAT, THE, THE DELIVERY TRUCKS, FIRE TRUCKS, UH, TRASH TRUCKS. IT, IT FITS EVERYBODY. OKAY, COOL. JUST CURIOUS. THANK YOU. UM, DURING MY DRIVING TEST A LONG TIME AGO, I HAD TO DO A THREE POINT TURNAROUND . I DIDN'T HAVE TO PARALLEL PARK, BUT I HAD TO DO A THREE POINT TURNAROUND, SO I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL DO. . YEAH. ALRIGHT. BEFORE WE HAVE ANY UM, UH, MOTIONS MADE OR ANYTHING, I'M GONNA ASK, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. NO PUBLIC COMMENT. SO, ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'VE GOT SITE PLAN TO APPROVE AND THE LANDSCAPING PLAN TO APPROVE. YOU WANNA DO 'EM TOGETHER OR SEPARATE? YOU KNOW, IT'LL PROBABLY MAKE SENSE MAYBE TO DO IT SEPARATELY. I'M THINKING JUST BECAUSE, JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE. SO, UM, HAVE AT IT PLEASE. SOMEBODY. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN, UM, FOR DRB 25 0 0 42 2 72 C THOMPSON, LLC WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. UM, THE APPLICANT WILL ORIENT THE DRIVEWAYS AND GARAGE ACCESS AT, UH, LOT ONE AND FIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS IN AN EFFORT TO CREATE MORE GREEN SPACE ON THE THOMPSON STREET SIDE OF THE LOT. AND, UM, THE HANDRAIL AT THE STAIRS FOR LOT ONE WILL BE PRESENTED AS PART OF THE DRB ARCHITECTURAL SUBMISSION AND A MOTION. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ALRIGHT. A MOTION BY MR. ROWAN, A SECOND BY MR. SWING. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR? AND I THINK JUST, UH, FOR THE MINUTES AND FOR THE RECORD AS WE, AS WE'VE MENTIONED THESE, THE, THE HOME FOOTPRINTS HERE ARE PLACEHOLDERS REPRESENTATIVE ONLY. WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH ELEVATION OF MATERIAL. MM-HMM . OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THERE'D BE NO FURTHER COMMENT OR QUESTIONS. ALL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. ALL OPPOSED NO OPPOSITION. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. ALRIGHT, WE GOT THE SITE PLAN DONE. HE WANTS A CRAFT, A MOTION FOR THE LANDSCAPE, PLEASE. I'LL GIVE IT A GO. UH, REGARDING DRB 2 5 0 0 4 2 2 7 2 SEED THOMPSON, LLC. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION REGARDING LANDSCAPING THAT WE APPROVE AS SUBMITTED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE HARDSCAPE COLUMNS, WALL VENEER AND ANY POTENTIAL STAIR RAILING NOTABLY FOR LOT ONE [01:35:01] SHALL BE DEVELOPED AND PRESENTED AT A LATER DATE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ARCHITECTURE. END OF MOTION. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. HAVE A MOTION BY MR. KOL, SECOND BY MR. OWENS. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION? AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AS WAS COMMENTED EARLIER, THE LANDSCAPING FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IN RELATION TO THE ELEVATIONS AS WELL OF THE HOMES WHEN THEY COME BACK. MAYBE, I KNOW WE DON'T YOU, YOU'RE NOT MAKING THAT AS FRIENDLY, BUT NO, YOU'RE JUST NO, JUST NOTING. JUST NOTING THAT. JUST NOTING IT. OKAY. SOMETIMES INDIVIDUAL LOTS COME IN, USUALLY THEY DON'T. YEAH, IT JUST, NORMALLY WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT ELEVATION MATERIALS BEFORE WE LOOK AT LANDSCAPING. SO WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE HOMES LOOK LIKE WHEN WE APPROVE LANDSCAPING. IT'S A, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD ONLY BE IF THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN THEME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT ENDED UP COMING UP WITH ARCHITECTURE THAT LOT TO MAKE SURE AND MEETS ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT MEET OTHERWISE. YEAH, I AGREE. I MEAN IT'S NOT GONNA NEED FORMALLY COME BACK. I MEAN OTHER THAN THOMPSON STREET, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF LANDSCAPING AROUND THESE HOMES. WELL I WAS GONNA ASK JENNIFER IF THEY MADE LITTLE GARAGES FOR THE ROBOTIC, UH, LAWN MOWERS BECAUSE THAT LITTLE 10 BY FIVE OUT THERE, I MEAN IT JUST MIGHT AS WELL TOO. YEAH, YOU KNOW, JUST KIDDING. I DON'T KNOW. PAT, WE MAY SEE SOME STOVE PIPE CACTUS OR SOMETHING. OH YEAH. ALL. OKAY. UH, YES, WE HAVE A MOTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS THERE BEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. ALL OPPOSED NO OPPOSITION. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. ALRIGHT, THURSDAY. THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE IT. BECAUSE ALL THE LAWN MOWERS, THEY'RE GOING CRAZY. RICHARD. OKAY STEVE, THERE BE NO FURTHER BUSINESS OR APPLICATIONS AND WITH NO OBJECTIONS FROM FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, I HEREBY ADJOURN OR MEETING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.