[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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I CALL THIS MARCH 5TH COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.WE HAVE GREAT SEATS IN FLORENCE, SO
YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE HERE IN FRONT OF US.
THANK YOU FOR COMING AND JOINING US TONIGHT.
SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THE ITEMS BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THE, THE MINUTES FOR THE FEBRUARY 5TH MEETING.MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL OFFER MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING.
MOTION MADE AND PROPERLY SECONDED OR IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
I ABSTAINED BECAUSE I WAS NOT AT THE MEETING.
ALRIGHT, DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
[6. PUBLIC HEARING]
UH, ELLA, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE HERE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, PROCEDURE? YES.AN INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING TO BE HEARD ON A MATTER RELATED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING MUST BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD OR COMMISSION.
UPON RISING TO SPEAK, THE SPEAKER MUST IDENTIFY HIMSELF HERSELF AND FURNISH A HOME OR BUSINESS ADDRESS BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS.
THE COMMISSION WILL ALLOW THE PROPONENTS A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION.
OPPONENTS WILL ALSO BE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT FILED BY PERSON SPEAKING IN FAVOR.
AND THEN FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION, UPON CONCLUSION OF ANY OPPOSING COMMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS, THE CHAIR WILL ALLOW THE, A APPLICANT TO OFFER A REBUTTAL IF ANY TIME IS REMAINING THE ORIGINAL ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES AND THE CHAIR HAS DISCRETION TO ADD ADDITIONAL TIME IF HE WANTS TO.
WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS TO CONSIDER TONIGHT.
THE LAST ON THE AGENDA, PH DASH 26 0 4 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS HAVE BEEN DEFERRED BY STAFF AND MP 26 DASH ZERO FIVE.
THAT IS EMPIRE OLD MILTON PARKWAY HAS BEEN DEFERRED ALSO, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE CONSIDERED HERE TONIGHT.
THE FIRST ITEM WAS DEFERRED BY THE BOARD LAST MONTH.
THAT'S MP DASH 26 DASH ONE SLASH CU DASH 26 0 1.
SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH WINWARD MASTER PLAN POD 16.
THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
THE FIRST ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A REQUEST FROM SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH.
THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED AT THE FEBRUARY 5TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
AT THAT MEETING, THERE WERE TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION WITH CONCERNS OVER PARKING, COMPATIBILITY THE CHURCH WOULD USE WITH EXISTING BUILDINGS AND SECURITY CONCERNS.
UH, AFTER DISCUSSION PLANNING COMMISSION DEFERRED THE REQUEST TO THE MARCH 5TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU A, AN UPDATE ON WHAT HAS OCCURRED SINCE THE LAST, UH, PRESENTATION OF THIS ITEM.
BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, JUST BRIEFLY JUST WANT TO DESCRIBE THE REQUEST.
REQUEST IS FROM SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH REQUESTING MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT AND CONDITIONAL USE TO OPERATE A CHURCH SYNAGOGUE IN AN EXISTING 18,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE INDUSTRIAL BUILDING, A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT IS REQUESTED TO THE WINWARD MASTER PLAN POD 16 TO ADD CHURCH SYNAGOGUE AS A CONDITIONAL USE.
AND A CONDITIONAL USE IS REQUESTED TO ALLOW SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH TO OPERATE A CHURCH AT THIS LOCATION.
AND I HAVE LOCATION MAP ON THE OVERHEAD.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 45 NOBLE COURT.
UH, SINCE THE FEBRUARY 5TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, I HAVE, WE HAVE WORKED WITH BOTH THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS, UH, SOME OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT SPOKE AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, STAFF, UH, SET UP A MEETING, UH, WITH ME, IDENTIFIED A FEW, UM, ISSUES WITHIN THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION AND OUR STAFF REPORT.
UM, AS A RESULT, I MADE A COMMITMENT TO THEM TO GO BACK OUT TO THE PROPERTY.
UH, SPECIFICALLY THEY WANTED ME TO LOOK AT THE PARKING.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A SITE PLAN IN THE APPLICATION, WHICH IS THIS SITE PLAN HERE.
I INADVERTENTLY, IN THE PAST, IN
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THE PREVIOUS, UH, FEBRUARY 5TH, STAFF REPORT INDICATED THAT THERE WERE 64 PARKING SPACES ON THE PROPERTY.THERE ARE ACTUALLY 62 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE STRIPED ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE APPLICANT ALSO HAD POINTED OUT THAT THE ORIGINAL LDP LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT FOR WHEN THIS SITE WAS DEVELOPED HAD A A LESSER NUMBER OF, UH, PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE.
AND I DID CONFIRM THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR OR PAST PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, DID STRIPE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES ON THE PROPERTY.
LOOKS LIKE THESE, UH, PARALLEL PARKING SPACES IN THE CURVE OF, UM, THIS CURB RIGHT HERE WERE ADDED.
UM, A COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES WERE ADDED WHERE THE LOADING DOCK IS CURRENTLY ON SITE.
AND THEN THESE THREE PARKING SPACES HERE WERE ACTUALLY A BACKUP FOR A TRUCK TO BE ABLE TO BACK OUT OF HERE.
SO I DID MAKE SOME CON UH, CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONS AND I'LL ADDRESS THOSE WHEN I GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONS TO, UH, ACCOUNT FOR ALL THAT.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THE REPORT HAS BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT THERE ARE 62 PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE CURRENTLY AND THAT THE CHURCH SHOULD BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 124 SEATS IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH OUR PARKING RATIO FOR A CHURCH.
ALSO, I JUST WANTED TO DOCUMENT THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SINCE THE LAST MEETING OR AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND SINCE THE LAST MEETING, UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED THE NUMBER OF CORRESPONDENCE FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, UH, WITH CONCERNS OVER INSUFFICIENT PUBLIC NOTIFICATION.
CHURCH USE CONFLICTS WITH THE WINWARD BUSINESS CENTER ASSOCIATION, UH, COVENANT CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS, UH, NEGATIVE IMPACT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY VALUES, SECURITY CONCERNS.
UM, A BELIEF THAT THERE'S INSUFFICIENT PARKING FOR CHURCH, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT OVERFLOW PARKING FROM THE CHURCH ONTO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND THEN, UH, LETTERS, UH, FROM THE ATTORNEYS REPRESENTING THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES NOTED IRREGULARITIES AND ERRORS IN THE APPLICATIONS, UM, THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION AND IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THEN OF COURSE, WINWARD BUSINESS CENTER ASSOCIATION WROTE YOU A LETTER PRIOR TO THE LAST MEETING ASKING YOU TO DEFER THE ITEM TO GIVE MORE TIME FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO REVIEW THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
AND WITH THAT IS THE UPDATE ON THIS APPLICATION.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT WAS, YOU ALSO ASKED THE APPLICANT TO MEET WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY DID INVITE THEM TO RECENT, UM, WORSHIP SERVICE OUT AT THE CHURCH.
I'LL LET THE APPLICANT, UH, DESCRIBED THAT, THAT MEETING AND, AND WHO ATTENDED.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE WAS AN INVITATION AND I BELIEVE THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS DID ATTEND THAT MEETING.
UH, WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST SUBJECT TO 10 CONDITIONS.
AND SINCE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONS, I'LL GO BACK THROUGH THOSE CONDITION.
ONE CHURCH SYNAGOGUE SHALL BE ADDED AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN POD 16 OF THE WINDWARD MASTER.
PLAN TWO CHURCH SYNAGOGUE SHALL BE AN APPROVED USE AT 1 45 NOBLE COURT WITH A MAXIMUM SEATING CAPACITY OF NO MORE THAN 124 SEATS AND THE PRIMARY SANCTUARY OF THE CHURCH.
THREE, THERE SHALL BE NO CHURCH SYNAGOGUE PERMITTED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR CHURCH SYNAGOGUE OPERATED BY SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH INC.
IN THE EVENT THAT A CHURCH SYNAGOGUE IS NOT OPERATED BY A SPIRIT OF GOD CHRISTIAN CHURCH, THEN THE CITY MAY INITIATE APPROPRIATE APPLICATION TO TERMINATE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SAID OPERATION.
AND ANY ZONING CONDITION AMENDMENTS CONSISTENT WITH SUCH ACTION AND THE CITY SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL NECESSARY PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE STATE ZONING PROCEDURES.
LAW CONDITION FOUR THOU SH THERE SHALL BE NO DAYCARE CENTER OR ACADEMIC SCHOOL OPERATED ON THE PROPERTY CONDITION.
IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID TRAFFIC AND PARKING CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE CHURCH'S OPERATIONS OFFICE, INDUSTRIAL TENANT OPERATIONS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND BUSINESS OPERATIONS ON SURROUNDING AND NEARBY PROPERTIES, THE CHURCH'S PRIMARY WORSHIP SERVICES AND THE SANCTUARY SHALL BE LIMITED TO SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
ADDITIONAL WEEKDAY CHURCH ACTIVITIES, EXCEPT FOR THE OPERATION OF CHURCH ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES AND MINOR WORSHIP AND CHURCH ACTIVITIES SHALL BE SCHEDULED AT 5:00 PM OR AFTER IF NEEDED TO AVOID CONFLICT WITH PARKING AND TRAFFIC CONSTRAINTS.
TO MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICABLE, NOTHING CONTAINED HEREIN SHALL PRECLUDE SPECIAL EVENTS SUCH AS EASTER, CHRISTMAS, OR OTHER SEASONAL ACTIVITIES OR WORSHIP SERVICES.
IF THE EXISTING LOADING DOCK WILL BE UTILIZED, THE TWO PARKING SPACES
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IN THE LOADING DOCK AREA AND THE THREE PARKING SPACES DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE LOADING AREA SHALL BE MARKED WITH SIGNAGE STATING NO PARKING ON THE WEEKDAY AS APPROVED BY STAFF CONDITION, SEVEN PROPERTY OWNERS SHALL REPLACE MISSING LANDSCAPING SUCH AS TREES AND PARKING LOT TREE ISLANDS.IF THERE ARE NO UTILITY CONFLICTS AS APPROVED BY STAFF CONDITION, A CHURCH APPLICANT SHALL HIRE AN OFF DUTY OFFICER TO CONTROL TRAFFIC IF REQUIRED BY THE CITY DUE TO TRAFFIC IMPACTS DURING SERVICES CONDITION NINE DUMPSTER SHALL BE LOCATED IN A MASONRY ENCLOSURE WITH OAK LAKE METAL GATE WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF.
THAT CONDITION WAS ADDED BECAUSE THERE IS A DUMPSTER LOCATED IN, UM, ONE OR MORE OF THESE PARKING SPACES AT THE REAR OF THE SITE.
IT'S BEEN REMOVED FROM THE ENCLOSURE, SO WE JUST ADDED THAT CONDITION.
10 OUTSIDE SPEAKERS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
MICHAEL, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUICK, QUICK QUESTION.
UH, MR. WOODMAN, UM, IN THE LAST HEARING, WE, WE HEARD A BIT ABOUT THE WIND BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AND THEIR COVENANTS, CONDITIONS, AND RESTRICTIONS.
AND I JUST WANT TO VALIDATE MY UNDERSTANDING.
UH, IT'S ALSO REFERENCED IN THE PACKET, UM, FROM WHERE I SIT, THAT ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, IS ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR COVENANTS RESTRICTIONS AND CONDITIONS.
BUT IS IT RELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE HERE TONIGHT AS A, AS A COMMISSION RELATIVE TO A ZONING DECISION? SO WE DO NOT ENFORCE, UM, HOA OR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, UM, COVENANTS.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS ON FILE.
WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE TO ENFORCE THOSE.
SO IT IS NOT PART OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UM, PASTOR RANDALL, I, SPIRIT OF GOD CHRISTIAN CHURCH.
BE CREST DRIVE, TOULU, GEORGIA 3 0 0 9 7 IS MY ADDRESS.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, I STAND BEFORE YOU AS THE PASTOR OF SPIRIT OF GOD CHRISTIAN CHURCH AND WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA HAS ASKED US TO DO, AND WE'VE DONE IT THE WAY YOU'VE ASKED US TO DO IT.
THIS LAST MEETING WHEN WE WERE HERE, YOU ASKED US TO SET UP TIMES TO MEET WITH THEM.
WE DID THAT IMMEDIATELY SET UP TIMES.
THEY DID NOT, UH, RESPOND AS FAR AS MEETING WITH US.
THEY DID NOT MEET WITH US DURING THE MONTH THAT THEY WERE GIVEN.
WE EVEN WENT AS FAR AS TO EXTEND, UH, AN INVITATION TO WORSHIP SERVICE, WHICH IS NOT THE SAME AS SITTING DOWN, HAVING A MEETING ABOUT OUR SPACE AND WHAT WE PLAN TO DO.
BUT WE STILL EXTENDED THAT INVITATION TO THE WOMEN BUSINESS GROUP AND ONLY ONE PERSON ATTENDED WORSHIP.
UM, AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN SINCE THAT LAST TIME WE HAVE NOW, UH, BEEN IN THE CITY OF ALPHA RIVER FOR 22 YEARS AND BEEN IN GOOD STANDING.
THAT'S WHY I PERSONALLY FIND IT EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL TO US AS A CHURCH TO, FOR THEM TO HAVE SECURITY CONCERNS ABOUT US AND TO RAISE THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT AGAIN, WE WERE WILLING TO SIT DOWN TO MEET WITH THEM, TO TALK WITH THEM, TO EASE ANY OF THEIR CONCERNS.
BUT THEY WERE UNWILLING TO MEET WITH US AS INSTRUCTED BY YOU, BUT AS INSTRUCTED BY YOU, WE EXTENDED THE INVITATION, UH, TO NOT ONLY MEET BUT EAT TO WORSHIP WITH US.
UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I'M GONNA SAY AT THIS POINT.
WE HAVE OTHERS WHO SPEAK IN, YOU ALL HEARD A LOT FROM ME LAST TIME.
AND, UM, WE, WE WILL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, BUT IF THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS, THIS IS THE TIME YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
SO, UM, PASTOR, I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING AND YOU SPOKE ELOQUENTLY ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT MR. WOODMAN SAID ABOUT PARKING.
THAT THERE ARE 62 SPACES TODAY MM-HMM
AND THAT THAT TRANSLATES TO A SANCTUARY, UH, NUMBER OF SEATS NOT TO EXCEED 124.
ARE YOU ON THE SAME PAGE, MATT? YES.
WE WILL ADHERE TO, AS WE HAVE DONE FOR 22 YEARS, WE WILL ADHERE TO EVERYTHING THE CITY OF ALFRED ASK OF US.
WE'VE BEEN MADE FULLY AWARE THAT EVEN BEFORE WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION, WE WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN THE CHURCH'S MONEY AND SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION IF WE WEREN'T GOING TO ADHERE TO IT.
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THANK YOU.UM, COMING UP BEHIND ME WILL BE, UH, A CITY OF ALPHARETTA RESIDENT, UH, MINISTER DARRYL THOMPSON, WHO'S ALSO A LONG-TERM MEMBER OF OUR CONGREGATION.
HOW ARE WE DOING TIME-WISE? WE HAVE, UH, EIGHT MINUTES, 50.
I GOT THAT WRONG 'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT TO ME.
I'M GONNA OPEN THIS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, COMMISSION COMMISSIONER AND COMMISSION, UH, MEMBERS, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.
I AM A 13 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA AND PROUDLY RESIDING IN THE WINDWARD, UH, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
UH, I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF SPIRIT OF GOD THAT ENTIRE TIME.
I'VE VISITED A NUMBER OF CHURCHES.
WHEN MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE FROM LOS ANGELES, WE VISITED NORTH POINT, WHICH WAS A FINE CHURCH, UH, ALPHARETTA PRESBYTERIAN, WHICH WAS A FINE CHURCH, BUT WE SETTLED ON SPIRIT OF GOD BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MEMBERS THERE.
AND WE FIND THAT TO BE A VERY WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING BECAUSE IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL SECURITY ISSUE THAT, UH, OUR PASTOR'S SON-IN-LAW IS ACTUALLY A FINE MEMBER OF THE ALPHARETTA CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND HE IS IN ATTENDANCE ALMOST EVERY SUNDAY UNLESS HE'S WORKING ELSEWHERE.
BUT, UH, WE HAVE PROCEDURES IN PLACE AS MOST, UH, CHURCHES AND SYNAGOGUES DO NOW BECAUSE OF THE SITUATIONS THAT ARE CURRENT IN THE WORLD.
I'LL BE VERY, VERY BRIEF IN JUST SAYING THAT OUR COMMUNITY, UH, OUR CHURCH HAS BEEN A PILLAR IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR 22 YEARS.
AS PATRICK MENTIONED, WE PROVIDE FOOD TO LOCAL PANTRIES LIKE THE NORTH FULTON CHARITIES.
WE OFFER YOUTH PROGRAMS THAT INSTILL EXCELLENCE IN OUR CHILDREN AND TEENS.
AND WE ALWAYS OFFER ASSISTANCE FOR OUR NEIGHBORS IN NEED APPROVING THIS PURCHASE ISN'T JUST A REAL ESTATE DECISION, IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN THE FABRIC OF OUR CITY.
UH, THE PRO PROPOSAL HAS BEEN SUBMITTED PROPERLY TO YOU BEEN REVIEWED, AND I'M TOLD THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME RECENT OPPOSITION, WHICH I'M NOT SURE WHY.
BECAUSE WE ARE A SMALL COMMUNITY CHURCH THAT GET ALONG WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE ALWAYS STRIVE AGAIN FOR EXCELLENCE IN EVERYTHING WE DO.
AND THAT'S THE REASON I'M HERE JUST ASKING THAT WE CONTINUE TO SERVE AS A BEACON OF LIGHT IN OUR HOPEFULLY NEW BUILDING, THAT WE WILL WELCOME ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND WE WILL GENERATE POSITIVE COMMUNITY ACTIVITY TO STRENGTHEN THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSION NOW TO HONOR THIS PROCESS AND AFFIRM YOUR DECISION ON APPROVING THE BUILDING PURCHASED BY SPIRIT OF GOD.
ANYONE ELSE IN FAVOR? I I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE.
I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH.
UM, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME LEFT AND THERE WERE QUITE A FEW MEMBERS WHO CAME TONIGHT.
IF YOU ARE FROM THE, UH, SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH AND YOU'RE IN SUPPORT, I JUST WANT YOU TO RAISE YOUR HAND.
AND SINCE, UM, WE CAN'T HAVE EVERYONE SPEAK, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA JUST TO SHOW YOU THIS YEAR'S 2025, UH, RECAP OF THE CHURCH'S YEAR.
IT'S ONLY ABOUT A MINUTE LONG.
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THANK YOU.AND WE'LL RAISE RESERVE WHATEVER TIME WE HAVE LEFT AT THE END.
VERY NICELY DONE VIDEO AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
UH, ARE WE OVER 10 MINUTES? UH, NO.
THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE GONE FIVE MINUTES TOTAL SO THEY CAN, BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR IN SUPPORT.
WE HAVE OPPOSITION NOW, SO I WILL ASK THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO COME FORWARD.
GOOD TO BE BACK WITH YOU AGAIN TONIGHT.
ALSO, I WANT TO THANK MICHAEL AND KATHY AND OTHERS THAT, UH, ALLOWED US TO MEET WITH THEM.
AND, UH, I KNOW THE REVEREND SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS AFTER THE LAST MEETING, AND I WANTED TO JUST TAKE A MINUTE AND ADDRESS THAT TIMELINE FOR YOU.
UM, WHEN WE GOT THE APPLICATION, UH, THE FIRST TIME, I THINK WE HAD SEVERAL DAYS BEFORE WE WERE ABLE TO COME AND VISIT WITH YOU AND ASK FOR THE DELAY.
IN PARTICULAR, WE DID THE FOIA REQUEST TO OBTAIN THE ORIGINAL PERMITTED, UH, PLANS FOR THE BUILDING.
UM, I HAD LOOKED AT THIS BUILDING AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.
I HAD SOME OF THE ORIGINAL PLANS WE HAD, UH, CONSIDERED BUYING IT OVER THE COURSE OF MANY YEARS.
UM, SO I WAS FAMILIAR WITH IT GENERALLY, BUT IN ORDER TO GET THE FULL SET OF PLANS AND UNDERSTAND THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT ATTACHED TO THE PARKING OR TO THE BUILDING, WE HAD TO A FOIA REQUEST.
AND THAT TOOK SOME TIME TO PROCESS.
SUBSEQUENTLY, WE DID A FOIA REQUEST TO OBTAIN THE MASTER PLAN, UM, LETTER OF INTENT FROM 1993, WHICH IS THE GOVERNING ZONING THAT WE'RE SEEKING TO AMEND TONIGHT.
IT TOOK TWO FOIAS TO GET THAT.
AND SO BY THE TIME THOSE DOCUMENTS WERE BACK TO US, HAD BEEN ANALYZED, I WAS IN INDIA FOR 10 DAYS.
AND SO, UH, AS SOON AS I GOT BACK, WHICH WAS LAST FRIDAY, I DID ATTEND THE CHURCH, UH, SERVICES AND I WAS GRATEFUL FOR THE RESET I GOT.
I JUST REMIND YOU THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS AN ISSUE ABOUT A CHURCH.
I BELIEVE IT'S AN ISSUE ABOUT CHANGING THE ZONING TO ACCOMMODATE A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY SPACE WITHIN A BIS PARK.
AND IT COULD BE A FRATERNAL ORDER, IT COULD BE A BUSINESS THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, IN FACT, THERE'S BEEN SOME PRECEDENT WHERE THE ASSOCIATION DID OPPOSE, UM, A SIMILAR CHURCH AND THEN THE CHURCH CAME AND WAS LOCATED IN POD 56.
AND SUBSEQUENTLY THAT SPACE HAS BECOME AN ODYSSEY GAMES AND THE OPPONENT ATTORNEY CRITICIZED US FOR OBJECTING TO THIS USE WHEN WE OBJECTED TO THE PRIOR USE AND THAT PRIOR USE BECAME PRECEDENT FOR ANOTHER USE THAT THEY'RE NOW LEVERAGING OR ATTEMPTING TO WE IN TO JUSTIFY HERE.
POD 16 IS SEPARATE FROM POD 56.
THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 60 PODS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL, UM, 1993 PLANT ON 600 ACRES OF THAT PLAN.
CHURCHES ARE A SPECIFIED USE, UM, WITHOUT, WITHOUT A CONDITIONAL USE.
THEY'RE ALL, THEY REQUIRES A LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT.
AND SO THIS PARTICULAR PORTION OF WINDWARD, WHICH IS THE BUSINESS CENTER, IS NOT DESIGNATED FOR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY AT LEAST 16 AND NOT, AND NONE OF THE BUSINESS CENTER IS DESIGNATED FOR CHURCH USE.
UM, THE MASTER PLAN ALSO CITES THE DECLARATION AND THE CC AND R IN IT.
ADDITIONALLY, IT CITES THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE MODIFICATION GUIDELINES THAT ARE, UM, CONTROLLING ON THIS PROPERTY SUBSEQUENT TO YOUR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL
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AND OR WOULD NEED TO BE ADHERED TO.UM, AND THEY SAY IN THAT 1993, UM, LETTER OF INTENT THAT THE ASSOCIATIONS YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
SO YOU HAVE ONLY HAVE, THANK YOU.
THE ASSOCIATION'S DOCUMENTS SAY THAT THE, OR I'M SORRY, THE CITY'S DOCUMENTS SAY THE ASSOCIATION'S GUIDELINES AND RESTRICTIONS SHALL BE NO LESS RESTRICTIVE THAN THOSE OF THE CITY.
SO, UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY BE PRECEDENT NOT TO CON NOT TO USE THESE THINGS, THEY ARE REFERENCED IN CONTROLLING LEGISLATION OR CONTROLLING ORDINANCE.
MY SECOND POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE TONIGHT TO YOU IS ABOUT PARKING.
UM, THE ASSOCIATION, AND I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE ASSOCIATION, BUT WHAT THEY HAVE COMMUNICATED TO ME AS A MEMBER OF THE ASSOCIATION IS THAT OFF STREET PARKING IS NOT PERMITTED WITHIN WINDWARD.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT NOBLE COURT, IT'S A RELATIVELY, UH, SMALL OR NARROW STREET.
IT'S NOT ONE OF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES.
AND IF OUR ASSUMPTIONS DIFFERENT THAN THE CITIES OR DIFFERENT THAN THE CHURCHES, WE PROBABLY HAVE A PROBLEM FROM THE GET GO.
AND THE SECOND ISSUE RELATED TO PARKING IS THE UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT CODE 2.52 SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES SHARED PARKING.
AND THAT CODE, IT'S VERY SHORT.
TWO PARAGRAPHS SAYS, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO PRINCIPAL USES IN A BUILDING, YOU PROVIDE PARKING FOR BOTH THOSE.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THOSE UH, USES WILL NOT BE CONCURRENT, YOU MAY REDUCE THE COMBINED PARKING 25%.
WE'VE ASKED FOR A PARKING CALCULATION, WE'VE NOT RECEIVED IT.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THE PARKING CALCULATION.
UM, WE DON'T THINK IT'S ACCURATE.
NOW THE CONDITIONAL USE HERE ASSUMES THAT THERE ARE 62 SPACES, BUT THE 62 SPACES ARE PREDICATED ON THE FACT THAT THE CURRENT OWNER, PRIOR OWNER HAS REMOVED THE TRASH RECEPTACLE THAT IS PERMITTED IN ONE OF THE SPACES THAT'S NOW DESIGNATED AS PARKING.
AND SO IT'S UNCLEAR WITH THIS WHETHER THIS PROPERTY WILL WIND UP WITH 61 SPACES, WHETHER IT'LL WIND UP WITH 55 OR 54 WHEN IT'S DONE THROUGH APPROVALS.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THE CUSHIONS THAT YOU'RE GONNA GRANT, OR IF YOU DO GRANT THEM, WILL LEAVE A, AN ASSEMBLY SPACE THAT'S EVEN MORE OVER PARKED OR UNDER PARKED THAN IT IS TODAY.
THE LAST ISSUE I WOULD RAISE TO YOUR ATTENTION IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPLICATION PACKAGE, YOU'LL SEE THAT ON ITS FACE IT WAS INCOMPLETE ON SUBMISSION, IT HAD KNOWN OR AUTHORIZATION THAT'S DATED 16 DAYS AFTER THE DEADLINE IN THE PACKAGE THAT YOU HOLD.
IT ALSO HAS OTHER INCOMPLETE DOCUMENTS.
IT HAD NO LETTER OF INTENT UPON SUBMISSION.
SO WHILE THE GOOD REVEREND INDICATES THAT THEY'VE ACTED IN GOOD FAITH IN THE SUBMISSION, THE SIMPLE FACTS ARE THAT THE, THE APPLICATION ON ITS FACE SUBSTANTIATES THAT IT WOULD NOT COMPLETE BY THE DEADLINE NECESSARY TO BE HEARD AT THIS MEETING.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE MY REMARKS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENT.
WE HAVE FOUR MINUTES LEFT, BUT WE HAVE, UH, GEORGIA BARROW.
I RESIDE AT 1580 SPINNAKER DRIVE.
I WANTED TO JUST SPEAK BRIEFLY ON A COUPLE OF POINTS.
UM, FIRSTLY, I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE MAMMOTH PACKAGE THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY ALDERMAN HOLDINGS, LLC.
I MEAN, YOU REALLY HAD TO DO SOME SERIOUS READING AND I WILL HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I SKIPPED A COUPLE OF SECTIONS THERE, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME VERY VALID POINTS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
I AM ALSO, UM, I'VE, I'VE COME TO YOU BEFORE EVERY TIME IT'S BEEN FOR, UM, SOMETHING WITH OUR MASTER PLAN.
I WAS PART OF THE, UH, MOBILE OIL DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT BUILT WINDWARD AND IT WAS 3,400 ACRES DIVIDED A THOUSAND ACRES, A BUSINESS SECTION, 2,400 TO RESIDENTIAL.
AND WE WERE VERY, VERY CRITICALLY LOOKING AT WHAT MADE EACH COMPONENT
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WORK WELL.AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND WAS HAVING A BUILDING SITTING EMPTY DID NOT HELP THE OVERALL BUSINESS CENTER.
AND I STAND HERE TODAY TO SAY, HAVING A MAJOR BUILDING STANDING VACANT FOR TWO, UH, AND, UH, EXCUSE ME, FIVE OUTTA SEVEN DAYS IS NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR A THRIVING BUSINESS CENTER.
SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT PLACE.
SO WHEN YOU CONSIDER ADJUSTING THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, I AM ALSO ON THE BOARD OF THE WINWARD, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
WE HAVE HAD A CIVIC COMMITTEE.
AND IF WE HAD COMPLETED THAT TRANSITION, I AM SURE THAT YOU WOULD HEAR FROM ME AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS SPEAKING ABOUT THIS.
SO I'M PURELY HERE AS AN INDIVIDUAL ASKING YOU TO PLEASE DENY THIS REQUEST.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, WE HAVE ABOUT TWO MINUTES LEFT AND WE HAVE TWO MORE PEOPLE.
I NEED TO HAVE A STOPWATCH HERE LOOKING AT TIME TOO.
I'LL KEEP THIS BRIEF 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME LEFT.
UM, I'M THE OWNER OF COMMENCE AT 1121 ALDERMAN DRIVE.
UH, COMMENCE EMPLOYS OVER 250 PEOPLE IN THE ALPHARETTA AREA.
WE ACQUIRED THAT BUILDING IN 2020 AND IT IS NOW OUR WORLDWIDE R AND D CENTER AND CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS.
THIS IS A COMPANY THAT DEVELOPS CLASS THREE MEDICAL DEVICES THAT ARE LIFESAVING.
AND WHAT WE DO IN THAT FACILITY IS VERY PROPRIETARY.
UM, WE ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THE, UH, UH, CITY OF GOD, UH, PROPOSAL BECAUSE OF, UH, BRETT, UH, LET US KNOW ABOUT IT.
AND WE OPPOSE IT FOR NOT SECURITY REASONS, BUT FRANKLY, PRACTICAL ONES.
IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR US TO HAVE MADE THAT INVESTMENT UNDER THE GUISE OF IT BEING A BUSINESS PARK.
UM, WE HAVE OVER A HUNDRED PARKING SPOTS AND I THINK WE ACTUALLY TRY TO PUT SECURITY GATES IN GIVEN THE NATURE OF WHAT WE DO.
AND THAT WAS DENIED THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, UM, WHICH WE CAN LIVE WITH.
BUT IF, UH, THAT AREA GETS MORE FOOT TRAFFIC, WE'LL HAVE TO RETHINK THAT DECISION.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
THE TIME IS UP, BUT WE STILL HAVE ONE MORE PERSON IF YOU'D LIKE TO LET HIM SPEAK CHAIR.
JESSICA CANTRELL, GOOD EVENING.
UM, I AM AN ATTORNEY AT UNDERWOOD GOGGINS.
UM, I AM REPRESENTING, UH, SIERRA SEA IN THIS.
I'M NOT GOING TO REITERATE WHAT EVERYONE JUST SAID.
YOU'VE HEARD ME SPEAK, UM, AT THE LAST HEARING.
UM, I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONDITIONS, UM, IF APPROVED.
SO AS YOU, AS YOU KNOW, AND MR. STRATTON CLARIFIED, UM, THAT THE COVENANTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, YOU DON'T ENFORCE 'EM, YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING.
YOU MAY ACKNOWLEDGE 'EM, BUT YOU DON'T CONSIDER THEM WHEN MAKING YOUR DECISION, AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
UM, BUT IN CONDITION NUMBER TWO, UM, WHERE IT SAYS CHURCH SYNAGOGUE SHALL BE APPROVED, AN APPROVED USE AT 1 45 NOBLE COURT, UM, ET CETERA, IF WE CAN AMEND THAT TO SAY BY THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, BECAUSE EVEN IF THERE IS APPROVAL AND THE MASTER PLAN WERE TO BE AMENDED AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, GRANTED, UM, MR. KNIGHTON STILL HAS TO TAKE STEPS TO AMEND USE RESTRICTION.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A CARTE BLANCHE.
THE APPROVAL IS NOT CARTE BLANCHE.
THERE ARE STILL STEPS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, BUT MR. KNIGHT NEEDS TO BE PUT ON NOTICE OF IT.
SO WE COULD JUST ADD THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA TO THAT.
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UM, IF I COULD INTERRUPT FOR ONE SECOND, HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE LEFT? UH, SHE'S FOR ONE MINUTE, 40 SECONDS.WE'RE ALREADY, WE'RE ALREADY OVER TIME.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD JUST SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE HEARING FROM HER, YOU'LL HAVE TO EXTEND THE TIME FOR THE APPLICANT'S REBUTTAL BY THE EQUAL AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP TRACK OF THAT.
UM, SO I JUST WOULD ASK THAT WE GIVE MORE GUIDANCE AS TO HOW LONG YOU WANNA GO.
UH, HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU NEED? UM, JUST I CAN PROBABLY WRAP THIS UP IF YOU, WE'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE AND A HALF.
AND IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK, I'LL GIVE HIM THAT EXTRA TIME.
UM, THEN, THEN FOR CONDITION NUMBER SIX, UM, WITH THE PARKING SPOTS BASED OFF OF WHERE THE DUMPSTER IS PLACED, UM, POTENTIALLY FIVE PARKING SPOTS ARE GONNA BE LOST.
UM, SO THAT SHOULD FACTOR IN PUTTING THE NUMBER OF SPOTS AVAILABLE, UM, TO 57.
THEN NUMBER 10, I THINK IT JUST NEEDS CLARIFICATION.
I THINK EVERY SINGLE ATTORNEY LOVES CLARIFICATION.
UM, FOR OUTSIDE SPEAKERS, DOES THAT MEAN A PERSON OR A SOUND AMPLIFICATION? UM, THAT'S JUST, THERE'S SOME AMBIGUITY THERE THAT I BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE CLEARED UP IF ANY CONDITIONS ARE GONNA BE PLACED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS QUESTION.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS THREE MINUTES AND 21 SECONDS.
LET'S ALLOW THE APPLICANT THEN, UH, YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES? YES.
MAY I ASK A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? MS. TAYLOR? WAS THAT THREE MINUTES? HOW, HOW MUCH DID YOU SAY? THREE MINUTES AND 21 SECONDS IS WHAT I HAVE.
IS THAT BEFORE OR AFTER THE EXTENDED TIME BY THE ING QUESTION? THIS IS, THAT IS THE TOTAL EXTENDED TIME.
I THOUGHT SHE HAD TIME LEFT FROM BEFORE AS WELL.
SO SHE WOULD HAVE EIGHT MINUTES, A LITTLE OVER EIGHT MINUTES? YES.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ADDING THE TWO TOGETHER.
I AM NOT USED TO HAVING, AGAIN, I'M WENDY RABY, THE ATTORNEY FOR SPIRIT OF GOD.
UM, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, THERE IS A LIMITED NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS.
THE CHURCH HAS SAID THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THE RESTRICTIONS AND REPLY COMPLY WITH THE CODE.
THE CHURCH IS NOT GONNA BREAK THE LAW.
THEY'RE GONNA DO WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THEY NEED TO DO AND THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT.
UM, JUST TO POINT OUT, THE PROPERTY WILL NOT BE VACANT DURING THE WEEK.
THE PASTOR AND HIS STAFF WILL HAVE OFFICES THERE AND THE SPACE THEY'RE NOT USING, WHICH IS MOST OF IT, UH, IS INTENDED TO BE, UH, RENTED OUT TO A BUSINESS OR BUSINESSES.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE? NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT THE BOARD CAN ASK QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME.
I THINK I WOULD LIKE A STOPWATCH THE NEXT TIME AROUND SO I CAN KEEP UP WITH THE TIME.
IT'S A DISTRACTING WHEN WE HAVE TO MEET PEOPLE SPEAKING.
I'LL BE ABLE TO NOTE HOW MUCH TIME I'VE ADDED OR SUBTRACTED, BUT THAT'S THE NEXT MEETING, NOT THIS ONE.
UM, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT AND WE ALSO HEARD FROM STAFF.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL MICHAEL JUST FOR A MOMENT 'CAUSE I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION, NOT JUST FOR THE BOARD AND THE AUDIENCE, BUT FOR WHOEVER IS LISTENING ON THE, THE STANDARDS FOR MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT AND FOR CONDITIONAL USE.
IF YOU CAN READ THROUGH THAT, THAT WILL CLEAR UP A FEW THINGS AS WE DELIBERATE.
I'M SORRY, WHAT AND UNDER YOU GO THROUGH THE STANDARDS FOR MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE, THE REVIEW CRITERIA.
SO THE, UM, THE REZONING AND MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT REVIEW CRITERIA ARE ONE AND THE SAME.
THOSE ARE THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT BEGIN ON THREE,
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UH, PAGE THREE OF THE, UH, STAFF REPORT.UM, THEY CONSIST OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE ZONING PROPOSAL WILL PERMIT BE USED THAT IS SUITABLE IN VIEW OF THE ZONING USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF ADJACENT NEARBY PROPERTIES.
UH, WHETHER THE ZONING PROPOSAL WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT THE EXISTING USE OR USABILITY OF ADJACENT AND NEARBY PROPERTIES.
WHETHER THE ZONING PROPOSAL WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, WHETHER THE, THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL REASONS WHY THE PROPERTY CANNOT BE OR SHOULD NOT BE USED AS CURRENTLY ZONED.
WHETHER THE ZONING PROPOSAL WILL RESULT IN A USE THAT WILL OR COULD CAUSE AN EXCESSIVE OR BURDENSOME USE OF PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO EXISTING STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES, SCHOOLS, WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES AND PUBLIC AND FIRE PROTECTION.
WHETHER THE ZONING PROPOSAL IS SUPPORTED BY NEW OR CHANGING CONDITIONS NOT ANTICIPATED OR REFLECTED IN THE EXISTING ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
WHETHER THE ZONING PROPOSAL REFLECTS A REASONABLE BALANCE BETWEEN THE PROMOTION OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, MORALITY OR GENERAL WELFARE WELFARE AGAINST THE RIGHT TO UNRESTRICTED USE OF A PROPERTY.
WHETHER THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL REASONS WHY THE PROPERTY CANNOT BE USED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EXISTING ZONING AND THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE ZONING PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THEN THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT WE USE TO LOOK AT A CONDITIONAL USE INCLUDE LOOKING AT THE ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
UM, ALSO THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE REFUSE AREAS LOAD IN SERVICE AREAS OFF STREET PARKING AND BUFFERS AND SCREENING ARE PROVIDED ON THE PROPERTY, ENSURING THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE WILL NOT BE INJURIOUS TO THE USE AND ENJOYMENT OF THE ENVIRONMENT OR OTHER PROPERTY IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OR DIMINISH OR AND IMPAIRED PROPERTY VALUES WITHIN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
ENSURING THE CONDITIONAL USE WILL NOT INCREASE LOCAL OR STATE EXPENDITURES IN RELATION TO THE COST OF SERVICING AND MAINTAINING NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
ENSURING THE CONDITIONAL USE WILL NOT IMPEDE THE NORMAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF SURROUNDING PROPERTY FOR USE IS PREDOMINANT IN THE AREA.
ENSURING THAT THE LOCATION AND CHARACTER OF THE CONDITIONAL USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIRABLE PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY IN GENERAL, AND ENSURING THAT CONDITIONAL USE IS APPROPRIATELY SEPARATED FROM SIMILAR USES AND CONFLICTING USES SUCH AS RESIDENTS, GOVERNMENT, BUILDINGS, PARKS, CHURCH, CHURCHES, AND SCHOOLS.
AND SO WE, WE LOOKED AT THOSE REVIEW CRITERIA AND BASICALLY OUR CONCLUSION WAS THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL WOULD BE SUITABLE AS IT RELATES TO THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF EVA AND NEARBY PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE PRIMARILY DEVELOPED WITH OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
THE CHURCH'S PEAK TRIP GENERATION WILL BE ON THE WEEKENDS, SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS WHEN SURROUNDING BUSINESSES ARE NOT IN OPERATION AND THE USE IS SUPPORTED BY SUFFICIENT ONSITE PARKING.
IN ADDITION, THE CHURCH SYNAGOGUE HAS BEEN ADDED AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE WINWARD MASTER PLAN AND PODS 56 AND 66.
THOSE PODS BOTH HAVE THE SAME LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THE WINWARD MASTER PLAN OF BUSINESS CENTER.
UM, AND THEN WE DID NOTE THAT IF APPROVED, THE DUMPSTER SHOULD BE HOUSED IN AN ENCLOSURE AND THE CHURCH BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 124 SEATS IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT IS BASED ON THERE BEING 62 PARKING SPACES, UH, CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY.
AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE.
DOES ANYONE OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MICHAEL BEFORE I TURN BACK TO YOU TO THE BOARD? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MICHAEL.
UH, WE HEARD THE SUGGESTION THAT IN FACT, TURNER, OH, SORRY.
WE HEARD THE SUGGESTION EARLIER THAT MASHING A BUTTON AND IT'S THE WRONG ONE, UH, THAT THERE WOULD ACTUALLY END UP BEING 57 PARKING SPACES.
AND UM, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR REACTION TO THAT? I THINK THIS HAD TO DO WITH WHETHER THE DUMPSTER IN FACT IS REMOVED FROM THE LOADING DOCK AREA.
YEAH, SO THE, AND THIS IS JUST PUT THE SITE PLAN BACK UP.
SO AT THE REAR OF THE SITE, UH, BACK BEHIND THE BUILDING, THE LOADING DOCK IS HERE.
UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE THE DUMPSTER, IT'S BEEN PULLED OUT OF THE, ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION AND IT'S JUST PLACED IN A COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS LIKE AROUND THIS AREA.
THERE'S ALSO SOME, UM, LARGE STORAGE BOXES, UM, STORAGE BOXES THAT HAVE BEEN STORED ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
OBVIOUSLY THOSE WOULD GO AWAY AT SOME LOCATION, BUT WE DID HAVE A CONDITION, CONDITION NINE THAT ADDRESSED THAT THAT DUMPSTER DOES NEED TO BE IN AN ENCLOSURE.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE, THAT ENCLOSURE COULD NOT BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE PARKING SPACES.
IF THEY WANT 124 SEATS, IF THEY REMOVE PARKING, THEN THE SEATING CAPACITY WOULD
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NEED TO BE REDUCED.BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THERE WERE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT THEY COULD PLACE THE DUMPSTER, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A RAMP AT THIS LOCATION HERE, MAYBE THAT IS NOT, UM, NEEDED.
UM, AND LONGER AND MAYBE THE DUMPSTER COULD BE LOCATED AT THE, AT THAT LOCATION.
THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS ON THE PROPERTY THAT THE DUMPSTER COULD POSSIBLY BE, UH, PLACED WITHOUT IMPACTING EXISTING PARK.
SO THAT, WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT A CONDITION BE ADDED THAT SPECIFIES THAT THE DUMPSTER MAY NOT TICK UP PARKING SPACES? YOU COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT, BUT YOU COULD ALSO, YOU COULD, UM, MAYBE ADD SOMETHING TO CONDITION NINE, BUT YOU COULD ALSO ADD SOMETHING TO CONDITION NUMBER TWO.
UH, CONDITION NUMBER TWO STATES CHURCH SYNAGOGUE SHALL BE APPROVED, SHALL BE IN APPROVED USE AT 1 45 NOBLE COURT WITH A MAXIMUM SEATING CAPACITY OF NO MORE THAN 124 SEATS IN THE PRIMARY SANCTUARY OF THE CHURCH.
YOU MAY ADD SOME CLARIFICATION, MAYBE THAT THAT IS BASED ON A TOTAL OF 62 PARKING SPACES REQUIRED FOR THAT SEATING CAPACITY.
ANY REDUCTION IN, UM, ONSITE PARKING, UH, WOULD RESULT IN A RED, UH, EQUIVALENT REDUCTION TO SEATING CAPACITY.
IS THAT NECESSARY OR IS THAT AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE? I MEAN, I CAN, IF, IF WE, SO THERE WILL BE A BUILDING PERMIT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
UM, 'CAUSE IT WILL HAVE WALLS OVER FOUR FEET AND HEIGHT.
SO THERE'LL BE A BUILDING, UH, PERMIT FOR THAT.
IF A BUILDING PERMIT IS SUBMITTED FOR AN ENCLO DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IN THE EXISTING PARKING SPACES, THEN WE WOULD REJECT IT.
IF THIS WAS APPROVED AS IS, YOU COULD PUT THAT CLARIFICATION IF, IF YOU, YOU WANT TO GIVE THE APPLICANT A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY, UM, MAYBE THEY CAN'T FIND ANOTHER LOCATION ON THE SITE FOR THAT DUMPSTER AND MAYBE THEY DO HAVE TO REMOVE A COUPLE PARKING SPACES IN ORDER TO PUT THE DUMPSTER IN AN ENCLOSURE.
IN WHICH CASE, IF YOU ADD THE CLARIFICATION TO CONDITION TO THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO REDUCE PARKING, BUT THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO REDUCE SEATING CAPACITY.
AND THEN FOLLOWING ON THAT, IF IN FACT THEY ENDED UP WITH FEWER THAN 60 PARKING SPACES AND IT BECAME A QUESTION OF MINDING HOW LARGE, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN BE IN THE BUILDING AT ONE TIME, THE NUMBER OF SEATS AVAILABLE, HOW DOES ONE ENFORCE THAT? SO CODE, CODE, UM, ZONING CONDITIONS IN, UM, OUR CODE ARE ENFORCED BY OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT.
WE WOULD TYPICALLY, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT SPACE, IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT WE WOULD HAVE A COMPLAINT.
MAYBE THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T SUFFICIENT PARKING ON THE PROPERTY.
MAYBE WE GET A COMPLAINT THAT THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLKS PARKING ON OTHER PROPERTIES, IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD GO AND INVESTIGATE THAT, THAT SITUATION.
AND LAST I HEARD MENTION THAT WITHIN THE WORD BUSINESS, UH, CENTER THERE IS, UH, STREET PARKING IS NOT PERMITTED.
THAT WOULD BE A NEW ONE ME SO FAR AS I UNDERSTAND THAT ANY CITY STREET STREET PARKING IS ALLOWED UNLESS THERE IS A WARRANT FOR A NO PARKING SUCH AS A FIRE LANE OR, UH, CERTAIN CONDITIONS IN A ROUNDABOUT.
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THAT, MICHAEL? YEAH, ON I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
I'VE NOT HEARD THAT, THAT THERE IS NO PARKING IN, IN WINDWARD.
BUT IN OUR LOCALS, UM, IN OUR STREET SECTIONS, WE DO HAVE, BASED ON THE WIDTH OF THE STREET, UM, THE STREET HAS TO BE CERTAIN WIDTH IN ORDER TO ALLOW PARKING ON, ON STREET PARKING.
AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS A 50 FOOT, UH, RIGHT OF LANE.
UM, THIS IS A TYPICAL SECTION OF A, UH, TWO LANE STREET WITH A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND YOU WILL SEE THE ON STREET PARKING BEGINS TO BE PERMITTED WHEN YOU HAVE 28 FEET OF WIDTH, WHICH IS THIS MIDDLE SECTION, THIS SMALLER SECTION OF THE, OR AT LEAST THE TRAVEL LANE WIDTH OF A TWO LANE STREET WITH ONLY A 24 FOOT WIDTH DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ON STREETE PARKING.
I BELIEVE NOBLE COURT IS ABOUT 25 FEET.
SO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT CAN ACCOMMODATE, UH, ON STREETE PARKING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY.
I JUST WANTED TO CHECK WITH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO SEE IF HE KNEW ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
SO THE UPSHOT OF ALL THIS IS THAT NOBLE COURT BY, ITS, ITS WIDTH, THE LOAN WOULD NOT ACCOMMODATE ON STREET PARK.
UM, I BELIEVE WE DID LOOK AT THE WIDTH OF THAT STREET AND IT WAS MEASURED AT 25 FEET.
I DON'T KNOW A HUNDRED PERCENT IF THAT INCLUDED THE CURB.
AND THIS 28 FEET OF WIDTH THAT DOES ALLOW ON STREET PARKING DOES INCLUDE THE CURB.
SO I WOULD NEED TO VERIFY THAT JUST TO BE SURE.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT IS JUST SHORT OF THE 28 FEET.
JUST ASK, THIS IS IN A CUL-DE-SAC, DOES THAT CHANGE ANY OF THE, UH, CALCULATIONS ON THIS AT ALL?
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NO.SO IT, IT'S BY THE STREET, NOT BY THE CIRCUMFERENCE OR WHATEVER THE, THE CUL-DE-SAC IS, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE, EXCUSE ME, WE HAVE A CUL-DE-SAC CITY DETAIL, UM, THAT IS AROUND THE, THE SAME DIMENSION AS THE 20 14 5 EDGE OF PAVEMENT FG PAVEMENT.
MICHAEL, I, I UNDERSTAND THE MATH OF THE 62 AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE 124 PEWS.
UM, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND, UH, THAT I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S PROBABLY IMPOSSIBLE GIVEN THERE WAS THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A GARBAGE RECEPTACLE SOMEWHERE.
SO I AGREE WITH THE YOUNG LADIES THAT SAID THAT IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO 57.
HOWEVER, YOU DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM HAVING 124 PEWS INITIALLY.
SO EVEN IF WE REDUCE THE PARKING TO 57, WE SHOULD STILL ALLOW THE 1 24 OTHER THAN THE SIMPLE CALCULATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO, IF, IF THE PARKING WERE REDUCED, THE, THE SEATING CAPACITY SHOULD BE REDUCED AS WELL.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? SINCE YOU ALREADY SAID THAT 124 PEOPLE IS OKAY, WELL 124 SEATS IS OKAY, BASED ON THERE BEING 62 PARKING SPACES, STRIPED PARKING SPACES THERE TODAY, IF THEY WERE TO REMOVE SOME OF THOSE STRIPED PARKING SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE THIS DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, THEN THEY WOULD EFFECTIVELY LOSING SOME PARKING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THAT IS.
A TYPICAL PARKING SPACE IS NINE FEET WIDE.
WELL, THERE'S JUST FIVE FOR ARGUMENTS.
IF, IF FIVE PARKING SPACES WERE REMOVED FROM THE SITE, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO REDUCE THEIR SEATING CAPACITY BY 10 SEATS.
SO TRAVELING FOUR PEOPLE IN A CAR IS NOT A WAY WE CALCULATE THINGS EVEN THOUGH WE'VE ALREADY AGREED THAT 124 PEOPLE IS OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE THIS BY HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THAT ARE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING ALREADY STRIPED? WELL THE, THE 124 SEATS RELATES TO OUR PARKING REQUIREMENT.
OUR PARKING REQUIREMENT IS ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY TWO SEATS.
SO THERE UNDERSTOOD 62 SPACES THERE TODAY.
SO 62 TIMES TWO GETS YOU TO THAT, THAT 1 24 NUMBER.
CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE YES YOU CAN APPLICANT? YES.
WE'VE JUST GOT A LITTLE FUZZY MATH THERE.
UM, THE QUESTION IS, IF IT WAS REDUCED FROM 124 TO 114, DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE? P I'M NOT GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA FORFEIT PARKING SPACES, AS MICHAEL HAS ALREADY STATED, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES ON THAT PROPERTY THAT AN ENCLOSED DUMPSTER CAN BE EASILY PUT.
THAT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY OF THEM JUST TRYING TO PUSH US OUT OR SQUEEZE US OUT.
THERE ARE OTHER PLACES, I'VE BEEN TO THAT PROPERTY SEVERAL TIMES, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES THAT ARE MUCH MORE FEASIBLE FOR A DUMPSTER TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO SACRIFICE PARKING SPACES AT ALL.
I THINK THE CUE IS TO JUST ADD THAT STATEMENT THAT, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF, IF, UM, PARKING TICKET, THEY HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENT ON THE SEAT.
SO IF YOU THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO DO THAT.
ALRIGHT, I AM TURNING THIS UP TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND A MOTION.
SO YOU, I'M NOT STOPPING DEBATE.
YOU CAN TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OR DISCUSS IT FURTHER.
I JUST HAVE, UM, MICHAEL, SORRY TO ASK YOU TO COME BACK UP, BUT, UM, I WANTED TO UH, GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON TWO OF THE, UM, RECOMMENDED ADJUSTMENTS TO THE CONDITIONS THAT THE UM, ATTORNEY HAD SUGGESTED, UM, ON CONDITION NUMBER TWO, IF I UNDERSTOOD IT CORRECTLY.
THERE WAS A REQUEST TO ADD, UM, AFTER THE APPROVED USE ADD BY THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA TO THAT PARTICULAR SENTENCE.
AND THEN HER OTHER QUESTION WAS IN REGARDS TO CLARIFICATION FOR CONDITION NUMBER 10 CONCERNING THE OUTSIDE SPEAKERS.
I MEAN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
THESE ARE THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA'S ZONING CONDITIONS ANYWAYS, SO IT'S UNDERSTOOD.
IT'S THE ONLY APPROVING ENTITY.
WHEN YOU SAY IT SHALL BE APPROVED.
UM, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT HURTS TO ADD THAT CLARIFICATION IN CONDITION NUMBER TWO.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HURTS TO CLARIFICATION ON 10 WITH REGARD TO THE OUTSIDE SPEAKERS.
IT WAS MEANT AS SOMETHING THAT
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AMPLIFIES SOUND, NOT NOT A PERSON SPEAKING.SO SPEAKERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING THERE? WELL, I COULD, I THINK THAT THEY COULD BE ATTACHED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHOULD SAY SPEAKERS ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING.
'CAUSE YOU COULD BRING PORTABLE SPEAKERS OUT IN THE OUTSIDE.
I WOULD SUGGEST NON PORTABLE DEVICE COULD HOW WOULD YOU EDIT NUMBER 10 EXACTLY ON THAT? A NON PORTABLE DEVICE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING OR REPRODUCING SOUND FROM, UM, SUCH AS MUSIC OR A PERSON'S VOICE FROM AN AMPLIFIER COMBINED SOUND SOURCE AND IS PROJECTED OUT TO AN AUDIENCE TO SAY SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
I COULD READ THAT INTO THE RECORD AND JUST SAY FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS CONDITION, A LOUD SPEAKER SHALL MEAN A NON PORTABLE DEVICE, UM, CAPABLE OF PRODUCING OR REPRODUCING SOUNDS SUCH AS MUSIC OR A PERSON'S VOICE FROM AN AMPLIFIED OR COMBINED SOUND SOURCE AND IS PROJECTED OUT TO AN AUDIENCE OR SHE READ IN THE RECORD
DO I HAVE A MOTION? UM, I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE PASTOR AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT ATTENDANCE IN YOUR MEETING SPACE ON SUNDAY? UM, NORMALLY IT'S, UH, JUST UNDER A HUNDRED.
UM, MAYBE ANYWHERE, JUST DEPENDS BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE MEETING TWICE A MONTH AND EVEN AT THAT, SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE IN THIS BUILDING WE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, EVERY SUNDAY, WHICH IS FOUR TO FIVE TIMES A MONTH.
UM, AND JUST, UH, MY 60 YEARS OF LIVING AND BEING IN CHURCH, UH, THE MORE SUNDAYS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, THE LESS THE NUMBER GETS.
IT DOESN'T ALWAYS INCREASE LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE CERTAINLY UNDER, UH, WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT 75 TO 80, UM, PER SUNDAY RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S TWO SUNDAYS A MONTH.
SO WHEN WE GO TO FOUR TO FIVE, UH, RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULDN'T BE THAT PROBABLY THAT WOULDN'T EVEN, YOU DON'T PROBABLY HIT THAT NUMBER.
AND THE INTENTION HOPEFULLY TO GROW, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, AND THEN WHAT ABOUT, UM, LIKE CHILDREN'S MINISTRY, LIKE OUTSIDE PLAYGROUNDS OR COMMON AT CHURCHES.
DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY OUTSIDE PLAYGROUNDS OR USE CASE FOR THE CONGREGATION? NOT AT THIS TIME.
UM, UH, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS ON THAT AT THIS TIME.
UH, THOSE FROM A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
WE SEEM TO BE COMING UP TO THE SIZE OF SEATING BASED ON PARKING.
WHAT IS THE MINIMUM NUMBER THAT THIS BUILDING SERVES YOUR PURPOSE? NUMBER OF SEATS IN THE BUILDING.
SO IF WE GET BELOW THE PARKING, WELL, I SAY THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER LESS THAN THAT AND THEN I END UP BE, UH, AM GIVEN A NUMBER LESS THAN THAT.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FIVE SPACES FOR A DUMPSTER, THAT'S JUST A THEY UNDERSTAND.
YEAH, I, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING AT MORE OF WHAT, HOW DOES THE BUILDING SERVE YOU? THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
OH, AT HOW MANY PE IF YOU GET BELOW A NUMBER, THE BUILDING DOESN'T SERVE YOUR PURPOSES ANY LONGER.
SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT IF THE PARKING DOES GO DOWN TO 57 AND YOU CAN ONLY PUT IN 114, DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR USE OF THIS BUILDING? NO.
AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAD, UM, THERE WAS MENTION OF YOUTH PROGRAMMING.
WHAT KIND OF YOUTH PROGRAMMING IS, IS HAPPENING? WELL NOR NORMALLY OUR YOUTH ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A SETTLED SPACE FOR A WHILE, UM, OUR YOUTH NORMALLY HAVE THEIR BREAKOUT CLASS CLASSROOMS AND AREAS.
UM, AND THEN SO AS WE CONTINUE TO INCORPORATE, THEY'RE DOING MORE IN SERVICE AND THEN HOPEFULLY, UH, IN TIMES PAST, WE'VE DONE A LOT MORE EVEN ON THE OUTSIDE AS FAR AS MISSION WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THOSE ARE PART OR AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
ALRIGHT, I'M SORRY, JUST A QUESTION FOR MICHAEL HAS TO DO WITH THAT CONDITION TWO THAT YOU, UH, MADE A SUGGESTION THAT IF WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL, YOU SUGGESTED TWO SENTENCES BE ADDED TO CONDITION TWO.
LET ME PLAY BACK THE FIRST ONE, MAKE SURE I GOT IT.
I DEFINITELY DIDN'T GET THE SECOND ONE.
THE FIRST ONE I WROTE, THIS IS BASED ON A TOTAL NUMBER OF 62 PARKING SPACES FOR THIS LOCATION.
AND THEN THERE WAS A SECOND SENTENCE THAT I DIDN'T GET.
UM, I THINK I HAD SPOKEN TO THE FACT THAT IF PARKING SPACES
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REMOVED, WOULD IF ANY OF 62 PARKING SPACES WERE UH, REMOVED THAT THE, AN EQUIVALENT AMOUNT OF, UH, SEATING CAPACITY SHOULD BE REDUCED BASED ON THE CITY'S PARKING RATIOS? OR YOU, I I GUESS YOU COULD ALSO SAY FOR EVERY PARKING SPACE THAT IS REMOVED, TWO SEATS SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE MAXIMUM SEATING CAPACITY.YOU COULD SAY THAT TOO, BUT THAT'S SIMPLER.
ANYBODY READY TO MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, I'LL SHARE A COUPLE THOUGHTS.
WE'RE ON BOARD DISCUSSION, RIGHT? DISCUSSION OR MOTION? YES.
SO, UM, MY TAKE ON THIS, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE LOOK AT EACH OF THESE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR TWO OTHER CHURCHES IN THIS MASTER PLAN BEING APPROVED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WE LOOK AT THIS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IS A REALITY.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I RESPECT THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD BOTH IN THIS HEARING AND THE PREVIOUS HEARING, BUT TO ME THEY DON'T REALLY RISE TO THE LEVEL OF THE STANDARD THAT WE ARE BEING HELD TO.
THAT SPEAKS TO WHETHER THE ZONING PROPOSAL WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE EXISTING USE OR USABILITY OF ADJACENT OR NEARBY PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, I HEARD A COMMENT THAT THE LOCATION WAS NEVER MEANT FOR A CHURCH, THAT THAT'S JUST NOT REALLY RELEVANT.
UM, THE, THE CONCERN ABOUT SECURITY RISK AFTER HOURS, I JUST DON'T SEE DATA OR CREDIBLE EVIDENCE SUPPORTING THAT.
UH, THE PRECEDENT NOT BEING APPLI APPLI APPLICABLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, WE LOOK AT IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT THE REALITY IS TWO PREVIOUS CHURCHES HAVE BEEN BEEN APPROVED AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THIS SAME MASTER PLAN.
UH, THERE WAS REFERENCE IN THE LAST HEARING ABOUT, UH, CYBERSECURITY RISK.
YOU KNOW, I SPENT 16 YEARS IN SOFTWARE AND, UH, FOR THE FOLKS AT SIERRA, NO, UH, CEDAR, YOU KNOW, I DROVE BY THE, UH, PROPERTY AND IT'S NOT GATED.
THERE'S NO SECURE ACCESS, THERE'S NO SECURITY.
UM, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO HACK INTO YOUR SYSTEMS, THEY CAN PULL RIGHT INTO YOUR DRIVEWAY, PARK NEXT TO YOUR BUILDING AND DO IT FROM THEIR CAR.
SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN.
AND THEN PARKING, IT'S VERY CLEAR, UM, WE CAN'T REALLY EXPRESS A CONCERN ABOUT PARKING IF THE APPLICANT IS MEETING THE CODE AND BY ALL ACCOUNTS MEETING THE CODE, UH, THAT'S RATHER BLACK AND WHITE FOR ME.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL HOLD THE MOTION AND UNLESS THERE'S OTHER DISCUSSION, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AND I'LL ASK WHETHER THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE MP DASH 26 DASH ZERO ONE SLASH CU DASH 26 DASH ZERO ONE.
SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH, WHEN MASTER PLAN POD 16, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IS READ BY MR. WOODMAN.
BUT WITH THESE EDITS, HELP ME OUT COMMISSION IF I MESS UP.
BUT IN CONDITION TWO, AFTER THE WORD APPROVED USE, WE WANT TO SAY BY THE CITY OF ALPHA.
AND THEN WE WANT TO ADD TWO SENTENCES TO THAT CONDITION.
THIS IS THE FIRST ONE IS THIS IS BASED ON A TOTAL OF 62 PARKING SPACES FOR THIS LOCATION.
IF PARKING SPACES ARE REMOVED AND EQUIVALENT NUMBER OF SEATING CAPACITY SHOULD BE REDUCED TO MEET PARKING RATIOS.
AND THEN MS. SWIN, I'M GONNA ASK YOU ON CONDITION 10 WITH THE SPEAKERS TO, UH, READ YOUR GREAT EDIT TO THAT CONDITION.
SO IT WOULD READ OUTDOOR OUTSIDE SPEAKERS SHALL BE PROHIBITED FOR PURPOSES OF THIS CONDITION.
A SPEAKER SHALL MEAN A NON PORTABLE DEVICE WHICH IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING OR REPRODUCING SOUND, SUCH AS MUSIC OR A PERSON'S VOICE FROM AN AMPLIFIED OR COM COMBINED SOUND SOURCE AND IS PROJECTED OUT TO AN AUDIENCE.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S MY MOTION.
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A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE.IS THERE A SECOND? THAT IS NOW.
SECOND, WE'RE CONTINUED DISCUSSIONS.
MOTION FAIL FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
SECOND, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION, GO AHEAD,
UM, I WILL OFFER A MOTION TO DENY MP DASH 26 DASH ZERO ONE SLASH CU DASH 26 DASH ZERO ONE.
SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH WINWARD MASTER PLAN POD 16.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? THAT MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A, A SECOND, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NOW? NOR IN FAVOR,
I I DON'T LIKE SENDING ANY, ANY NON RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
THAT'S WHY WE WERE APPOINTED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL SO THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION.
WE FACILITATE A PUBLIC PROCESS AND, UM, I I DON'T THINK WE ARE DOING OUR JOBS IF WE DON'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WE'RE NOT SAYING WE CAN'T DO THAT, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DELIBERATE AND SEND SOMETHING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GET MORE INFORMATION, IF YOU LIKE TO TABLE, LIKE TO DEFER IT'S, IT'S, UM, UP TO THE BOARD.
YEAH, I KNOW WE'RE IN BOARD DISCUSSION.
I, WE'VE ALREADY DEFERRED ONCE.
SO I THINK BETWEEN TWO HEARINGS, TWO PACKETS AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION, WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.
UM, I MIGHT, FOR THE BENEFIT OF DISCUSSION, JUST ASK, ESPECIALLY FOR THE MY FOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO, UH, DIDN'T SUPPORT DENIAL.
WHAT, WHAT ISSUES COULD WE COLLABORATE ON TO MAKE THIS, UH, BE SUPPORTED? WHAT ISSUES ARE OUT THERE THAT MAYBE WE COULD CREATE A CONDITION FOR OR EDIT A CONDITION THAT WOULD MAKE IT SUITABLE FOR YOU? UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO REINFORCE THE CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE REALLY TWO SEPARATE APPROVAL PATHS INVOLVED WITH TWO SEPARATE SETS OF CRITERIA.
UH, MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE HEARD IN CHAMBERS, UH, HAVE OVERLAP THOSE SETS OF CRITERIA, CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, USAGE APPROPRIATE TO THE BUSINESS CENTER, ITS ORIGINAL INTENT.
WHAT'S, WHAT ARE THE REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF NEIGHBORING, UH, PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT POD ON DOWN THE LINE? I WOULD, AS WE SAID LAST MONTH, WE HEARD THIS BE, UH, MUCH HAPPIER IF BOTH PARTIES, ALL PARTIES INVOLVED WERE TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION TO ADDRESS AND RESOLVE SOME OF THESE DIFFERENCES SO THAT, UH, WE CAN CONSIDER THE ZONING RULES AND THE, AND APPROVAL OF ZONING WITHOUT CONCERN THAT THERE WILL THEN BECOME CONTENTION WITH THE, THE CCNRS, WHICH ARE NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT WOULD NONETHELESS CREATE A, A HARDSHIP FOR THE APPLICANT.
THE, THE ONLY UM, THING I WOULD ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT THE REASON I WAS ASKING, UH, MIKE TO COME BACK AND ELABORATE ON THE, UH, THE STANDARDS FOR MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE, UH, CONDITION USE CRITERIA IS THAT THERE IS A DELIBERATE PROCESS THAT STAFF HAS TO GO THROUGH TO EVALUATE APPLICATIONS BEFORE THEY BROUGHT TO THE BOARD, EVENTUALLY TO CITY COUNCIL BASED ON THE STAFF'S ASSESSMENT.
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THIS APPLICATION MEETS THE STANDARD FOR AMENDMENT, THE MASTER PLAN, AND THE CRITERIA FOR CONDITIONAL USE.AND, UM, APART FROM HAVING ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD COMPARE ME TO OPPOSE IT, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT FOR THAT VERY REASON, AND OF COURSE, UH, AS YOU PROBABLY MENTIONED, THERE IS PRESIDENT TO THIS AND THIS IS A HOUSE OF WORSHIP AND IT'S NOT GONNA INTERFERE WITH THE BUSINESS OPERATIONS DURING THE WEEK.
IT'S GONNA BE ON SUNDAYS, POTENTIALLY SATURDAYS.
AND, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY CONCERN REGARDING SECURITY, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF IT FOR THAT REASON, AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
HAVING SAID THAT, I DON'T I HAVE MOTION.
CAN YOU RE, CAN YOU REINTRODUCE YOUR MOTION PLEASE? UH, YES.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE MP DASH TWO SIX DASH ZERO ONE SLASH CU DASH TWO SIX DASH ZERO ONE.
SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH WINWARD MASTER PLAN POD 16.
SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IS READ BY MR. WOODMAN WITH THESE EDITS IN CONDITION TWO.
AFTER THE WORD USE, LET'S ADD BY THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, AND THEN AT THE END OF CONDITION, LET'S ADD TWO SENTENCES.
THE FIRST ONE IS, THIS IS BASED ON A TOTAL OF 62 PARKING SPACES FOR THIS LOCATION.
IF PARKING SPACES WERE REMOVED, AN EQUIVALENT NUMBER OF SEATING CAPACITY SHOULD BE REDUCED TO MEET PARKING RATIOS.
AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN TO ATTORNEY SWIN AND ASK HER TO READ HER EDIT TO NUMBER 10.
CONDITION 10 WOULD READ OUTSIDE SPEAKER SHALL BE PROHIBITED FOR PURPOSES OF THIS CONDITION.
A SPEAKER SHALL MEAN A NON PORTABLE DEVICE, WHICH IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING OR REPRODUCE SOUND, SUCH AS MUSIC OR A PERSON'S VOICE FROM AN AMPLIFIED OR COMBINED SOUND SOURCE AND IS PROJECT OUT TO AN AUDIENCE.
ALRIGHT, AS THE MOTION, ANY SECOND, SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE PROPERLY SECONDED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? YEAH, I, I, I WILL.
I I, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME AND, UM, I AGREE.
WE, WE, UH, COMMISSIONER STRATTON AND, AND YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE.
IT IS NOT AN INTRUSIVE USE, IN MY OPINION.
UM, AND IT'S WORTHY TO MOVE ON TO COUNSEL TO HAVE THEM MAKE THEIR DECISION.
HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS OR IN FAVOR, PLEASE READ YOUR RIGHT HAND.
IT'S GONNA BE HAD BY THE, ACTUALLY I SHOULD MENTIONED THIS AT THE VERY BEGINNING ON MY 23RD.
THANK YOU FOR COMING AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
AND HERE THE OTHER APPLICATIONS.
I DO NOT EXPECT THESE TO TAKE AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES, AND I'M GONNA ASK THE BOARD WHETHER YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK BEFORE WE GO TO THE SECOND ONE.
AND IF WE WANNA TAKE A BREAK, WE, WE'LL ALLOW THEM TO BACK THE ROOM AND THEN WE WILL GO TO THE SECOND APPLICATION.
NEED SOME HEATERS AT THE TABLE.
UH, THE, THE SECOND, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS Z DASH 25 DASH 10 SLASH V DASH 25 DASH 22 LEVITON SLASH 75 AT 91 91 ROSWELL STREET.
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THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.THE NEXT ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING AND VARIANCES TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF EIGHT FOR SALE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS CONSISTING OF FOUR SEMI-DETACHED UNITS.
A SEMI-DETACHED UNIT IS BASICALLY A DUPLEX, IT'S TWO UNITS SIDE BY SIDE SHARING ONE WALL, AND THEN FOUR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.
THOSE ARE BOTH FOR SALE, UM, PRODUCTS, AND THAT IS ON APPROXIMATELY 1.12 ACRES IN THE DOWNTOWN REZONING IS REQUESTED FROM C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO DTC DOWNTOWN.
CORE AND VARIANCES ARE REQUESTED TO MODIFY DOWNTOWN STREET SCAPE STANDARDS TO HAVE THE LOCATION MAP ON THE OVERHEAD.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 75 AND 91 ROSWELL STREET.
THAT'S THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MARIETTA STREET IN ROSWELL STREET.
AND THE PROPOSED DENSITY IN THE SUBDIVISION IS 7.15 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF ROSWELL STREET AND MARIETTA STREET IS UNDEVELOPED.
THE OTHER PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS DEVELOPED WITH A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO AN OFFICE.
THIS PROPERTY WAS APPROVED IN 2023 FOR A TWO STORY, 23,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING WITH A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT AT THE CORNER.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, WELL, THE APPLICANT IS IN, UM, STATED THAT THEY NO LONGER WISH TO PURSUE THAT DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO CHANGE TO RESIDENTIAL.
THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, SO IT DOES SUPPORT THE PROPOSED, UH, REZONING REQUEST.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE VARIANCES TO MODIFY THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY STREET SCAPE STANDARDS, AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE, UH, DOWNTOWN STREET SCAPES THAT WOULD APPLY TO ALL THREE STREETS, UH, THAT FRONT, THIS PROPERTY, COTTON ALLEY, MARIETTA STREET AND ROSWELL STREET.
BASICALLY, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE EXISTING PLANTER AND SIDEWALKS TO REMAIN AS THEY ARE TODAY.
UH, TWO FOOT PLANTERS ALONG EACH ROADWAY.
FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ON MARIETTA STREET AND COTTON ALLEY, AND A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON ROSWELL STREET.
THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S SITE PLAN, AND I DID WANNA MENTION THE ORIGINAL, FORGOT TO PUT THAT IN MY PACKET HERE.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT WITH ACCESS SHOWN FROM ROSWELL STREET.
THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WHEN THIS REQUEST WAS, UH, FIRST SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, HAD ACCESS FROM COTTON ALLEY.
UM, THIS PLAN ALSO HAD NINE UNITS INSTEAD OF EIGHT.
THE APPLICANT, UH, THERE WAS OPPOSITION FROM VICTORIA SQUARE TO ACCESS FROM COTTON ALLEY.
COTTON ALLEY IS A RIDE IN ONLY, AND, UH, VICTORIA SQUARE'S, UH, INTERNAL STREETS ARE PRIVATE, SO THEY WOULD, UM, THE RESIDENTS HERE WOULD HAVE TO TRAVERSE PRIVATE STREETS IN ORDER TO EXIT FROM THEIR COMMUNITY.
SO THE APPLICANT DID MOVE THEIR ACCESS AND THEY MOVED IT BACK TO ROSWELL STREET.
THAT IS THE SAME ACCESS THAT WAS OWNED WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS APPROVED FOR OFFICE.
SO, GETTING BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, THE SITE PLAN DEPICTS THE EIGHT SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
THERE ARE FIVE LOTS, UH, FACING, UH, ROSWELL STREET AND THREE FACING COTTON ALLEY.
THE LOTS RANGE, UH, IN SIZE FROM APPROXIMATELY 2,600 SQUARE FEET TO JUST OVER 4,300 SQUARE FEET.
AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS ABOUT 3,150 SQUARE FEET.
UM, BOTH PRODUCT TYPES ARE THREE STORIES OVER BASEMENT.
THERE ARE 10 FOOT SETBACKS AND LANDSCAPE STRIPS ON THE STREET.
FRONTAGES, THE CORNER OF MARIETTA STREET IS SHOWN AS A TREE SAVE AREA THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE OFFICE BUILDING ON THIS PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, THE TREE SAVE AREA HAS GROWN WITH THIS PLAN, AND THEY'RE SAVING ADDITIONAL TREES THAT THEY WEREN'T IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING.
THERE'S A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT INDICATES THERE ARE SOME OVER OVERHEAD, UH, UTILITIES HERE.
THIS, WHICH YOU SEE, IT'S CROSSING THE STREET AT ABOUT THIS POINT.
THOSE OVERHEAD UTILITIES WOULD CONFLICT WITH THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE STRIP REQUIREMENTS.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED ON THE PLAN THAT THEY INTEND TO RELOCATE, UH, THE, UH, OVERHEAD POWER LINES.
EACH OF THE UNITS WILL HAVE TWO SIDE BY
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SIDE PARKING SPACES IN A GARAGE, AS WELL AS CODE COMPLIANT DRIVEWAY FOR A TOTAL OF 32 UH, SPACES.UH, THE UDC UH, DOWNTOWN CODE WOULD REQUIRE 20 PARKING SPACES, SO THEY DO EXCEED THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THE TREE SAVE AREA HERE AT THE CORNER ALSO SERVES AS, AS AN AMENITY SPACE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S ABOUT 5,000 SQUARE FEET OR 10.3% OF THE SITE.
SO THEY DO EXCEED THAT REQUIREMENT.
WELL, AND, AND OF COURSE, THE AMENITY IS THE TREE SAVE AS WELL AS POCKET PART.
THERE, UH, THERE ARE THREE SPECIMEN TREES ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE SITE IS SHOWING FOUR TREE SAVES AT THE CORNER HERE THAT CONSISTS OF A 26 INCH WATER OAK AND 19 INCH MAGNOLIA, 23 INCH PEAK, UH, PECAN AND 10 INCH MAGNOLIA.
THERE IS AN UNDERGROUND STORMWATER SYSTEM ON THIS COMMON AREA A LOT HERE, UM, THAT DOES EXTEND OUT INTO THE ALLEY, BUT THAT WAS NOTED BY THE APPLICANT IS THE REQUIRED, UH, 10 FOOT ACCESS TO ACCESS THE UNDERGROUND STORMWATER FACILITY.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED TO US WHEN THEY PRESENTED THE REVISED SITE PLAN THAT THEY ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH VICTORIA SQUARE, UH, FOR AN AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE THEIR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND THEIR STORMWATER LAWN, WHICH IS ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET TO THE NORTHWEST OF THIS LOCATION.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS COMMON.
IF YOU RECALL, 55 CANTON STREET.
THOSE ARE THE CONDOS THAT WERE APPROVED ACROSS CANTON STREET FROM TEASLEY PLACE.
THEY WERE GONNA BE USE UTILIZING SOME OFFSITE, UH, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AT THE GEORGIAN.
UM, THE, THE DETENTION POND THAT'S UP BY THE GEORGIAN DEVELOPMENT.
THESE ARE THE APPLICANT'S RENDERINGS.
THEY DEPICT TUDOR ECLECTIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE PROVE STYLES IN THE DOWNTOWN.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME COLOR RENDERINGS OF THOSE ELEVATIONS ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE.
THESE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY THE DOWNTOWN CONSULTANT, UH, WHO BELIEVES THAT THEY GENERALLY COMPLY WITH THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN REGULATIONS.
UH, THERE WAS AN, UM, TRIP GENERATION REPORT PROVIDED ESTIMATING THE SUBDIVISION WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 6:00 AM PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 8:00 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
THE CHANGE OF USE FROM OFFICE AND RESTAURANT TO RESIDENTIAL WOULD RESULT IN A REDUCTION OF APPROXIMATELY 50 3:00 AM PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 40 8:00 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
AND THEN LOOKING AT THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THE REZONING AND VARIANCE, UH, BELIEVE THE ZONING PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION OF THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE VICTORIA SQUARE, UH, TOWN HOME COMMUNITY TO THE WEST, AND ACCESS HAS BEEN MOVED FROM CANTON, UM, SORRY, COTTON ALLEY TO ROSWELL STREET TO IMPACTS TO VICTORIA SQUARE.
UH, AND WE ALSO NOTED THAT THE PROPOSAL WOULD LESS HAVE LESS IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES AS COMPARED TO THE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT APPROVED ON THE SITE.
AS IT RELATES TO THE VARIANCE, WE NOTED THAT THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE EXCEPTIONAL CONDITIONS DUE TO ITS SIZE, SHAPE, AND, AND TOPOGRAPHY.
IT ALSO HAS, UH, ROAD FRONTAGES ON THREE SIDES OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, DOWNTOWN STREET SCAPE REQUIREMENTS WOULD IMPACT THE TREE SAVE AREA AT THE CORNER, AND ALSO IF THERE THE STREET SCAPE WAS UP, UPLOAD, UM, UPGRADED ALONG CON ALLEY THAT WOULD RESULT IN THE BRICK SIDEWALK AND BRICK WALL BEING REMOVED.
AND IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT VICTORIA SQUARE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SEE THOSE THINGS REMAIN AS THEY ARE TODAY.
THE BRICK SIDEWALK AND THE BRICK WALL.
UM, FOR A MAINTENANCE, UM, REASONS WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT CONCRETE BE INSTALLED.
APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A CICI CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT.
UM, I WILL INDICATE THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT WAS PROVIDED AT THE TIME THAT THE APPLICANT WAS PROPOSING ACCESS FROM COTTON ALLEY.
ALSO, WHEN THIS WAS SHOWN TO PUBLIC AT THE CZIM IN ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, THEY WERE ALSO SHOWING THAT PREVIOUS PLAN THAT SHOWED ACCESS FROM COTTON ALLEY.
SO THESE COMMENTS ARE BASED ON THAT PLAN.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT'S REPORT STATED THAT THEY RECEIVED PUBLIC FEEDBACK REGARDING TRAFFIC ACCESS, CONSTRUCTION, STAGING, GUEST PARKING, PRICE POINTS, AND HOME ARCHITECTURE.
UH, STAFF ALSO RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE FROM RESIDENTS IN VICTORIA SQUARE WHO SUPPORTED
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THE RESIDENTIAL USE, BUT HAD CONCERNS OVER ACCESS AS WELL AS, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, STAGING, WANTING THAT TO BE PROHIBITED ON COTTON ALLEY.THERE WERE SIMILAR COMMENTS, UH, PROVIDED OUT TO SEPTEMBER 10TH CCIM MEETING WITH CONCERNS.
AGAIN, THE APPLICANT HAS UPDATED THAT SITE PLAN TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
AND THEN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST UP TO 27 CONDITIONS, AND I WILL GO THROUGH THOSE CONDITIONS.
CONDITION ONE IS A SITE PLAN SPECIFIC, UH, CONDITION, REZONING THE PROPERTY TO DTC, TYING IT TO THE APPLICANT'S LATEST PLAN, DATED 1 14 26, AND LIMITING USE USES ON THE PROPERTY TO DWELLING FOR SALE, DETACHED AND ATTACHED, UH, CONDITION TWO DEALS WITH THE ARCHITECTURE AND MATERIALS AND TIES TO THAT EXHIBIT A, THE RENDERINGS THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU.
AND IT REQUIRES FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB.
OF COURSE, IN THE DOWNTOWN WE DO REQUIRE FOUR-SIDED ARCHITECTURE MATERIALS AND DETAILS.
CONDITION THREE DENSITY SHALL NOT EXCEED 7.15 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, CONDITION FOUR REQUIRES THE HOMES ALONG ROSWELL STREET AND CA AND COTTON ALLEY TO BE ORIENTED TO THOSE STREETS.
UM, WITH VEHICULAR ACCESS LIMITED TO THE NEW ALLEY, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS THERE, UH, TO FRAME, UH, THE FRONT YARDS, UH, WITH LOW WALLS, METAL FENCING OR, UM, HEDGES WITH BRICK COLUMNS, BRICKSTONE COLUMNS.
CONDITION FIVE DEALS WITH THE SETBACKS CONDITION SIX ARE THE ROSWELL STREET STREET SCAPE REQUIREMENTS.
CONDITION SEVEN ARE THE MARIETTA STREET STREET SCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND CONDITION EIGHT ARE THE COTTON ALLEY STREET ROUTE, UH, STREET SCAPE REQUIREMENTS.
WE ARE, UM, SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT'S VARIANCE REQUESTS ALONG THOSE THREE STREETS, EXCEPT FOR ON ROSWELL STREET, WE WERE ASKING FOR A, A LARGER, UH, PLANTER ON ROSWELL STREET.
THAT WOULD BE EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, WOULD'VE BEEN SORTED AS THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR CONDITION NINE DEALS WITH THE, THE BRICK WALL ALONG COTTON ALLEY SHALL BE RETAINED, EXCEPT THAT THE DEVELOPER MAY RECONSTRUCT PORTIONS OF THE WALL OR NE NECESSARY TO ALLOW FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
CONDITION 10 WOULD REQUIRE A NON-ACCESS EASEMENT BE RECORDED ON THE FINAL PLAT WHERE THE ALLEY TERMINATES NEAR THE PROPERTY LINE ON COTTON ALLEY.
SO WHERE THIS ALLEY TERMINATES, OR JUST TO ENSURE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO FUTURE ACCESS TO COTTON ALLEY CONDITION, 11 REQUIRES THAT THE, THE DEVELOPER DEDICATE RIGHT OF WAY 15 FEET EAST OF THE CENTER LINE OF COTTON ALLEY FOR ROADWAY AND PUBLIC ACCESS.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE CURRENTLY COTTON ALLEY IS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY ACTUALLY GOES OUT INTO THE CENTER LINE OF COTTON ALLEY.
SO THAT CONDITION WOULD REQUIRE THAT RIGHT OF WAY BE DEDICATED THERE.
RIGHT NOW, THERE'S JUST AN ACCESS EASEMENT OVER THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY CONDITION.
12 DE DEVELOPERS SHALL RETRIP CROSSWALK MARKINGS AT ORCHID LANE AT MARIETTA STREET AND THE COTTON ALLEY AT MARIETTA STREET INTERSECTIONS.
13 DEVELOPERS SHALL INSTALL A LOOP.
SPECIAL EMPHASIS CROSSWALK GREEN TIPS AT THE EXISTING CROSSWALK AT ROSWELL STREET AT MARIETTA STREET IS APPROVED BY STAFF AND THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEE CREDITS.
CONDITION 14 UH, TIES THE PRIVATE ALLEY THAT IS SHOWN SERVING THE NEW HOMES, UM, TYING IT TO THIS SITE PLAN.
WE ALSO ASK THAT CONDITION FOR A DECORATIVE BARRIER AT THE END OF THE ALLEY HERE, UH, CONSISTING OF A TIM, UH, TIMBER GUARDRAIL, BRICKER STONE WALL, UM, AND THAT, UH, THAT BE APPROVED BY DRB.
UM, IF THE WALL IS USED AS THE BARRIER, WE'RE ASKING THAT THAT BE, UM, COVERED WITH CREEPING OR CLIMBING LANDSCAPING AS APPROVED BY DRB.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOA 15 PROJECT ENTRANCE SHALL INCLUDE DECORATIVE PAVER ENTRANCE AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
CONDITION 16, UH, DEAL ADDRESSES THE LANDSCAPE STRIPS REQUIRED ALONG ROSWELL STREET AND COTTON ALLEY, UM, THAT THOSE BE PLANTED WITH AN EVEN MIX OF OVERSTORY SHADE TREES AND UNDERSTORY TREES AS APPROVED BY DRB.
AND IT ALSO REQUIRES OFFSETS OF THE OVERSTORY TREES OF THE MINIMUM OF 15 FEET FROM THE FACE OF THE HOMES AS WELL AS ANY, UH, OVERHEAD UTILITIES.
17 EXISTING POWER LINES ON ROSWELL STREET FRONT AND SHALL BE RELOCATED OR PLACED UNDERGROUND AS NOTED ON THE SITE PLAN
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PREPARED BY PLUM CREEK CONSULTING, LLC DATED 1 14 26.CONDITION 18 DEALS WITH A FIVE, MINIMUM FIVE FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE CONDITION 19 PROJECT ENTRANCE SHALL INCLUDE DECORATIVE LANDSCAPING, LOW WALLS, OR HEDGE WITH BRICK OR STONE COLUMNS AS APPROVED BY DRB.
THAT IMPROVE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE THE RESPONS MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOA CONDITION 20 TIES.
THE OPEN SPACE TO OPEN SPACE DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN.
21 DEVELOPER, UH, TIES THE, UH, DEVELOPER TO THE TREE.
SAVES SHOWN ON THIS SITE PLAN AT THE CORNER OF MARIETTA AND ROSWELL STREET.
22 LIMITS THE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE OF OFFSITE SAVE TREES TO NO MORE THAN 20%, 20 CONDITION, 23 FENCES AND WALLS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR CITY OWNED PROPERTY SHALL BE DECORATIVE, FENCES SHALL BE METAL AND WALLS SHALL BE BRICKSTONE OR SIMILAR ARTERIAL SHALL BE COVERED IN CREEPING LANDSCAPING AS APPROVED BY DRB 24 REQUIRES AVAC OR SIMILAR EQUIPMENT, UH, TO BE SCREENED, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
25 GARBAGE PICKUP SHALL BE ACCOMMODATED FROM WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
26 LIMITS, UH, PROHIBITS CONSTRUCTION, PARKING AND STAGING ON COTTON ALLEY.
AND WITH THE CONSTRUCTION STAGING PLAN, UH, PROVIDED WITH THE LDP, THE LAND OF DISTURBANCE PERMIT AND 27 IS, UH, LIMITS THE DEVELOPMENT TO, UM, RENT NO MORE THAN ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT AS RECORDED IN THE HOA, UH, DECLARATIONS AND COVENANTS.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MICHAEL? MICHAEL? I JUST HAVE A A A QUICK ONE.
UM, THERE IS A SECTION WHERE THERE ARE, UH, WHERE IT MEETS THE ROSWELL CITY PARKING AREA AND THERE'S, THERE ARE BOLLARDS THERE YES.
PREVENTING FOLKS GOING IN AND OUT.
UM, ARE THOSE BOLLARDS INTENDED TO STAY YES.
THERE WAS NO, NO PLAN TO REMOVE THOSE BOLLARDS.
I HAD A QUICK QUESTION, MICHAEL.
UH, IT'S NOT DESIGNATED AS EITHER BEING, UH, STRICTLY FOR THE USE OF THE RESIDENTS OR A PUBLIC USE.
WHAT IS IT? EITHER OR? IT IS A, I BELIEVE IT'S JUST AMENITY SPACE.
SO IT WOULD BE FOR THE USE OF THE, YES.
SO THE REQUIREMENT IS MINIMUM 5% AMENITY SPACE IN DTC AND A, UH, PROPERTY, DTC PROPERTY UNDER FIVE ACRES.
SO IT IS ONLY REQUIRED TO BE OPEN TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, THERE'S PROBABLY NOTHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CONDITION.
I GUESS IT'D BE AN HOA NEED TO ADDRESS HOW TO, UH, SPECIFY THAT IT IS FOR HOMEOWNERS ONLY AND ALSO WOULD MAINTAIN THAT AREA.
SO THE HOA WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THAT AREA.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS ADDRESSED.
I THINK WE ADDRESSED IT IN THE OPEN SPACE.
THE LAST SENTENCE IN, UH, CONDITION NUMBER 20 DOES INDICATE THAT THE HOA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE THERE.
UM, AND IT WOULD THEN JUST BE AN HOA CHOICE WHETHER TO, UH, FENCE IT OFF OR WHATEVER.
IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE CONCERNED WITH THE PUBLIC USING THAT, CERTAINLY THEY COULD, THEY COULD TAKE MEASURES.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CONDITIONS IN HERE THAT TALK ABOUT ANY KIND OF DECORATIVE BARRIERS, FENCING OR WALLS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE DECORATIVE AND APPROVED BY DEER B.
WHERE WOULD THE MALE KIOS BE? SO, I, I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT.
IT IS NOT IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE PLAN.
SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE THAT IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE PLAN.
I DO THINK THAT THERE, IT'S A SMALL ENOUGH DEVELOPMENT THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF LOCATIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S LOCATION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SPACE WITHIN THIS AMENITY SPACE HERE AT THE CORNER.
UM, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY POTENTIALLY TO PLACE THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I DON'T IF THEY DO UNDERGROUND STORAGE, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO DO A VERTICAL IMPROVEMENT OVER TOP OF THAT.
BUT IF THEY ARE ABLE TO U UTILIZE VICTORIA SQUARES, UH, STORM WATER, THIS MAY BE AN OPTION TOO.
BUT THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE.
I'M GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT ON FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION,
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CHRIS, FOR A SECOND.MOLLY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS OKAY.
CHRIS AND I SERVE TOGETHER ON CITY COUNCIL.
I
IF YOU THINK YOU CAN FAIRLY AND IMPARTIALLY DO IT.
I DON'T AS LONG YOU FINANCIAL THAT DUNNO, BUT YES, I CAN.
NO, I, I THINK YOU'RE FINE THEN.
MR. AIKEN, THERE PROBABLY A FEW THINGS OTHER THAN OUR COMMON SERVICE ON CITY COUNCIL THAT MIGHT RECUSE YOU, BUT WE WON'T GO THERE.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND ESTEEM PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER.
WE APPRECIATE YOU HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS CHRIS OWENS, UH, WITH PLUM CREEK CONSULTING.
UH, MY ADDRESS IS 74 25 MID BROADWELL TRACE, ALPHARETTA, GEORGIA.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF ALPHARETTA FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND PROUD OF THAT.
AND WITH US TONIGHT WE HAVE JASON JOSEPH, WHO IS THE DEVELOPER AND REAL ESTATE, UH, UH, MASTERMIND BEHIND THIS DEVELOPMENT.
MICHAEL AS, AS USUAL, DOES A GREAT JOB OF PRESENTING THE APPLICATION.
SO I'VE GOT SOME MATERIALS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT REPETITIVE OF THAT, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ORIENT OURSELVES TO THE SITE.
IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, YOU DRIVE BY SOMETHING TWO OR THREE TIMES A DAY AND THEN WHEN SOMEBODY QUESTIONS YOU ON IT, YOU CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT'S THERE.
SO I'VE GOT SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU.
THE AERIAL PHOTO THAT I HAVE, I BELIEVE THAT'S MY SCREEN, ISN'T IT, MICHAEL? YEAH, THE AERIAL PHOTO I HAVE HERE IS FROM GOOGLE EARTH.
AS MICHAEL SAID, WE'VE GOT THREE FRONTAGES, COTTON ALLEY, MARIETTA STREET AND RUSSELL STREET, SORT OF A FLAT IRON SHAPED PROPERTY, TRIANGULAR SHAPED, AND IT DOES HAVE QUITE A BIT OF TOPO ACROSS IT, AS MICHAEL SAID.
SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME ISSUES THERE TO DEAL WITH, BUT WE BELIEVE WE'VE DONE THAT FAIRLY WELL.
AND, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW, THE CITY JUST RECENTLY ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF THIS APPLICATION MAKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE SYSTEM, UH, THE CITY BUILT A SEGMENT OF THE ALPHA LOOP ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF ROSWELL STREET FROM US.
AND THIS PICTURE SHOWS THAT THIS IS STANDING AT THE CORNER IN FRONT OF, UH, ON THE PURE CORNER LOOKING, UH, ACROSS THE INTERSECTION.
CITY'S ALSO DONE SOMETHING HERE, HAS CREATED THIS, UH, INTERSECTION, MADE IT A FOUR-WAY STOP, WHICH, UH, MR. AIKEN, YOU RECALL, THIS WAS A SEC.
THIS INTERSECTION WAS A FOCUS OF SAFETY CONCERN A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AND THAT FOUR-WAY STOP HAS ACTUALLY SLOWED PEOPLE DOWN.
IT'S BEEN FAIRLY EFFECTIVE IN THAT.
AND SO THIS IS A GREAT VIEW OF THE END OF THE PROPERTY.
LOOKING AT IT FROM MARIETTA STREET.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE POCKET PARK OR THE, UH, THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE WOULD SAY YOU SEE A POWER POLE THERE.
I'M GONNA DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE IN A MOMENT.
BUT JUST TO THE LEFT IS COTTON ALLEY AND THERE WAS A CONDITION ON THERE PRESCRIBING A CERTAIN STREET SCAPE FRONTAGE THERE.
AND OUR ONLY REQUEST THERE, WE'RE NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT.
OUR ONLY REQUEST THERE IS AFTER OUR TALKS WITH VICTORIA SQUARE, WE'D LIKE TO LEAVE THAT STREET FRONTAGE ALONE.
THEY LIKE THEIR BRICK SIDEWALK, THEY LIKE THE, UH, THE WALLS AND THE LANDSCAPING.
AND WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
ANOTHER INTERESTING ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT IS, UH, THE PROPERTY LINE GOES TO THE CENTER OF COTTON ALLEY, THE WESTERN OR LEFT HALF AS YOU SEE IT IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, IS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, OWNED BY THE CITY.
THE RIGHT HALF OF THE STREET IS OWNED BY THIS PROPERTY.
THERE ARE ACCESS EASEMENTS OVER IT, BUT THIS PROPERTY IS TECHNICALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THAT STREET AND THAT SIDEWALK AND THOSE THINGS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE INTEND TO CLEAN UP THIS, IF IT GOES FORWARD, IS TO MAKE THAT A CLEAN, FULLY CITY OWNED STREET.
AND I BELIEVE SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT THE BOLLARDS AT THE END OF CO ALLEY, MAYBE YOU MS. RICHARD.
UM, OUR INTENTION IS NOT TO CHANGE THAT EITHER.
THAT'S A, THAT'S ACCESS TO A CITY LOT.
IT'S OFF OF A CITY STREET, AND THAT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT, AND WE DO NOT INTEND TO, UH, TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT.
HERE'S A SECOND VIEW OF THE ROSWELL STREET FRONTAGE.
AND AS YOU SEE A LARGE POWER POLE THERE WITH SOME OVERHEAD LINES GOING OVER MY HEAD FROM THE PHOTOGRAPH I TOOK AND I MET WITH GEORGIA POWER, THEY ARE WILLING TO, AT OUR EXPENSE, RELOCATE THOSE POLES HORIZONTALLY.
THEY WILL NOT PUT IT UNDERGROUND UNLESS THEY DO IT IN A MUCH LARGER EXPANSIVE AREA.
SO IF THEY WERE TO CONSIDER PUTTING IT UNDERGROUND, THEY WOULD WANT TO UNDERGROUND FROM OLD MILTON ALL THE WAY UP TO MILTON AVENUE.
AND THAT'S JUST SIMPLY BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT.
AND I'M SURE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE CITY WOULD WANT TO DO, AS MUCH AS WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, BUT UH, THEY WERE POLITE ABOUT IT AND HAD A SMILE ON THEIR FACE AND THEY'RE PROUD OF WHAT IT COSTS TO MOVE TO POWER POLES.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, AND I'VE GOT A SITE PLAN, I CAN SHOW YOU THAT.
AND THIS IS JUST A BROADER VIEW OF THAT.
AND THIS IS LOOKING BACK DOWN MARIETTA STREET.
AND AGAIN, THE POWER POLE THAT'S THERE THAT YOU SEE, UH, IS IN THAT BEAUTY STRIP OR IN THAT
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PLANTER STRIP.AND WE DON'T INTEND TO TOUCH THAT ONE EITHER.
AND I BELIEVE MICHAEL MENTIONED THE STREET FRONTAGE ALONG ROSWELL STREET.
OUR REQUEST IS A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK WITH A TWO FOOT BEAUTY STRIP.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET PAST A CERTAIN POINT, WE WANNA LEAVE WHAT'S THERE, THERE, WE DON'T EVEN WANNA REPLACE IT SO THAT WE CAN SAVE THOSE EXTRA TREES.
YOU CAN SEE THE OAK TREE THERE.
IT'S GOT LEAVES OFF ITS PICTURE, BUT IF WE WIDEN THAT SIDEWALK AND TRY TO IMPROVE THE STREET SECTION, IT'S GONNA KILL THAT TREE.
AND SO RATHER KEEP THE, UH, KEEP THE TREES AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE CITY'S INVESTMENT OF THE ALPHA LOOP ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD BALANCE AND THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THERE.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO NOW IS I GOT, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER LOCATION MAP.
MICHAEL ALREADY SHOWED YOU THE SITE PLAN THAT THIS IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY APPROVED UNDER C TWO ZONING.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 20, UH, 23,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE IN A A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITH A 65 SPACE PARKING GARAGE.
AND THAT'S A RENDERING OF WHAT, UH, OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY ENTITLED AND APPROVED THERE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE END OF THAT STREET IS NOT NEARLY AS GREEN AS WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE PROPOSED PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
SO JUST A COPY OF THE SURVEY THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, ZONING APPLICATION.
AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WE ARE THAT DID BEFORE US TONIGHT.
I HAVE SOME, SOME OTHER SHOTS TO SHOW YOU THAT'S BASED ON THAT ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.
BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF WHAT OUR INTENT IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THAT.
AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE, MICHAEL HAS, UH, HAS DISPLAYED THIS TO YOU.
SOMEONE ASK ABOUT THE, UH, MAIL KIOSK, AND OUR THOUGHT IS TO PLACE THAT MAIL KIOSK DOWN HERE, THE POCKET PARK.
WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE AT THE END.
AND SO OUR THOUGHT IS TO, UH, PUT A MAIL KIOSK THAT WOULD BE WALK UP FOR THE RESIDENCE.
IT'S A SHORT ALLEY THAT'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET LONG.
SO WE DON'T THINK IT'D BE A, A BURDEN FOR THEM TO WALK DOWN THE STREET AND WALK DOWN THE ALLEY AND GO CHECK THEIR MAIL.
AND SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT ACCESS TO THAT POCKET PARK.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS YOU, MS. MANN.
THE INTENT IS WE DON'T WANNA FENCE IT, WE DON'T WANNA FENCE THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER.
BUT THE INTENT MIGHT BE TO PLACE A FENCE AT THE END OF THE BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT AND THE POCKET PARK JUST TO DISCOURAGE SOMEONE FROM WANDERING THROUGH THE POCKET PARK INTO THE PRIVATE ALLEY.
BUT THERE WOULD BE A GATE FOR THE RESIDENTS TO ACCESS THE PARK.
BUT ALSO OUR INTENT IS FOR THAT PARK TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
WE WANNA INVITE PEOPLE INTO IT.
MUCH LIKE THE POCKET PARK AT THE CORNER OF ROSWELL STREET AND OLD ROSWELL STREET, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT IN FRONT OF THE OLD ITALIAN RESTAURANT, SAME TYPE OF CONCEPT WOULD BE MORE TREES, LESS HARDSCAPE, BUT WE'D LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO BE, TO WALK UP THERE AND SIT DOWN AND ENJOY IT.
SO THE HOA WILL MAINTAIN IT, BUT ACCESSIBLE, I BELIEVE.
MICHAEL DESCRIBED TO YOU THE, THE, UH, ECLECTIC TUTOR.
UM, DAVID GRACE IS THE ARCHITECT CHOSEN FOR THIS.
HE DESIGNED THE 1858 ON C*****G STREET AS WELL AS WEST OF MAINE AND SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH DOWNTOWN.
AND THESE ARE SEMI-CUSTOM TO CUSTOM HOMES IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
MICHAEL SHOWED YOU THESE ELEVATIONS.
BUT THE UNIQUE PART ABOUT THIS IS IT'S A COMBINATION OF DETACHED AND SEMI-DETACHED.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DUPLEX UNITS, IF YOU WILL, BUT THE CITY CODE CALLS IT SEMI-DETACHED.
BUT THE UNITS ARE GONNA KEEP THEIR OWN ARCHITECTURAL IDENTITY.
AND THIS IS A FLAVOR, THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE BACK, AND FORGIVE ME THIS FROM THAT ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT SHOWED ACCESS FROM COTTON ALLEY.
OF COURSE THAT ACCESS WON'T BE THERE, BUT WE WANTED YOU TO SEE THAT VIEW FROM COTTON ALLEY.
AND WITH THAT ACCESS GONE, THERE'LL BE MORE SCREENING IN PLACE IN THAT, UH, IN THAT PICTURE AS WELL.
AND THIS IS F*****G, OH, PARDON ME AGAIN, FORGIVE ME.
THIS IS THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN, BUT THIS IS A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH PLANTINGS AND COLOR AND DENSITY ONCE IT'S FINISHED.
BUT OF COURSE, THE PLAN BEFORE YOU TONIGHT DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO COTTON ALLEY.
IT HAS IT OFF OF ROSWELL STREET.
AND LET'S TALK ABOUT OVERHEAD POWER.
SO THAT RED LINE THAT I'VE SHOWN THERE IS WHERE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT, THAT POWER LINE TO IT IS A VERY MINOR SHIFT, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT CAUSES THAT EXISTING POLE HERE TO BE IN BETWEEN TWO UNITS AND IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S WINDOW OR FRONT DOOR.
AND IT ALSO PULLS IT AWAY FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOMES.
AND THE SAME FOR THE POLE UP AT THE CORNER.
IT KEEPS IT OUT OVER THAT BEAUTY STRIP.
MUCH LIKE THAT POLE I POINTED OUT TO YOU DOWN AT, UH, THE END OF MANTA STREET.
THE REASON FOR THAT, AND I SPOKE TO THE ARCHITECT TODAY, HE'S GONNA WORK ON THE MASSING OF THESE, UH, FACADES IN THE FRONT, SUCH THAT THE STEP BACKS CAN BE OPPOSITE AND MIRRORED ONE ANOTHER SO THAT IT HAS LIKE A LARGER COURTYARD TYPE FRONT YARD INSTEAD OF A BUNCH OF INDIVIDUAL FRONT YARDS.
THAT'S GONNA GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME DEPTH BETWEEN THAT OVERHEAD POWER LINE AND THE FRONT FACE OF THESE HOMES SO THAT WE CAN GET 'EM OVERSTORY TREES PLANTED IN THAT ZONE WHERE THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO SURVIVE INSTEAD OF BEING UNDER THE POWER LINES WHERE GEORGIA POWER IS GONNA COME TOP THEM OFF EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS.
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THE, OH, AND I'M SORRY, MICHAEL DID MENTION STORMWATER.WE HAVE A SPOT RESERVED HERE JUST IN CASE WE NEED UNDERGROUND THAT MEETS CODE.
UH, WE HAVE TALKED TO VICTORIA SQUARE AND WE DO HAVE, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, APPROVAL FROM THEIR BOARD TO EXPLORE THAT FURTHER.
UH, MY FIRM INVESTIGATED THE CAPACITY TO GET WATER FROM THIS SITE DOWN TO THE VICTORIA SQUARE POND.
WE SURVEYED IT, DID ENGINEERING ANALYSIS.
THE PIPES ARE BIG ENOUGH, WE CAN GET THE WATER THERE.
THE POND DOWN THERE IS ACTUALLY IN DECENT SHAPE.
IT'S NOT OVERGROWN LIKE YOU SEE A LOT OF OLDER PONDS, BUT IT DOES NEED SOME WORK.
SO, UH, THIS PROJECT IS PROPOSING TO VICTORIA SQUARE AT THIS PROJECT'S EXPENSE TO CLEAN OUT THE POND, GET IT UP TO CODE, ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CAPACITY TO MEET OUR NEEDS, AND THEN, UH, TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE VICTORIA SQUARE HOA WHERE THESE HOMEOWNERS WOULD PART OF THEIR ANNUAL DUES WOULD DIVERT OVER TO VICTORIA SQUARE FOR THAT MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT STORM WATER INSTEAD OF A LOT OF 10 MINUTES TIME INSTEAD OF A LOT OF SEPARATE LITTLE ONES ALL AROUND TOWN.
I BELIEVE THAT ANSWERED MOST OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD.
IF YOU HAVE MORE, WE'LL HA BE HAPPY TO DO, UH, TAKE THOSE AND GET YOU THE INFORMATION.
I WAS ACTUALLY, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT THAT STONEWATER MANAGEMENT AND YOU JUST ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
UM, I AGREE WITH YOU IF YOU CAN GET IT OFF SITE TO A DETENTION FACILITY, UM, NOT A FAN OF UNDERGRAD STORAGE OR CONTROL SYSTEMS, BUT UH, YOU DID NOT.
FEWER WERE THINGS TO GO WRONG.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR FURTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE.
IT'S REALLY JUST A, UH, PROBABLY A DETAILED QUESTION.
UH, I NOTICED IN YOUR ARTISTIC RENDERINGS, UH, THAT THERE WOULD BE LIKE LITTLE WALKWAYS FROM THE FRONT, UH, STREET FACING, UH, FACADES OF THE HOMES TO THE STREET.
BUT IN THE SITE PLAN, I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING QUITE LIKE THAT.
I'M PARTICULARLY WONDERING HOW THAT WOULD WORK ON THE COTTON ALLEY FACING PROPERTIES.
AND, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
AND FORGIVE ME, THIS PLAN WAS MOVED, IT WAS FAIRLY FLUID UP UNTIL JUST ABOUT A WEEK AGO.
AND ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT MICHAEL PLACED THERE SAYS THAT THOSE HOMES NUMBER SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT ON THE PLAN DO HAVE TO ARCHITECTURALLY APPEAR TO FACE COTTON ALLEY.
AND I'VE TALKED TO THE ARCHITECT ABOUT THAT.
AND THERE WILL BE, UH, STEPS IN A SIDEWALK DOWN TO THE, UH, SIDEWALK ON COTTON ALLEY TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO THAT, THAT IS A FACADE OR FRONT FACE OF THAT.
NOW THERE'S A BRICK WALL IN THE WAY WE, IT'LL BE STEPS.
NOW I DID DISCUSS THAT WITH ONE OF THE VICTORIA HOA BOARD MEMBERS AND UH, IF YOU NOTICE, AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL GO BACK TO THE PHOTOGRAPH.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE A GREAT DIRECT ON SHOT, BUT HERE'S A DECENT VIEW.
IF YOU SEE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT VICTORIA SQUARE HAS FACING COMMON ALLEY NOW.
IT'S GARAGE DOORS, A MINIMAL DEPTH DRIVEWAY AND THEY DO HAVE AN ENTRANCE THERE, BUT THOSE UNITS, THAT'S REALLY ALMOST LIKE THEIR BACK DOOR.
THEIR FRONT DOOR FACES A PARK THAT'S JUST TO THE LEFT AS PHOTOGRAPH.
SO ARCHITECTURALLY THOSE UNITS DO FACE AWAY FROM COTTON ALLEY AND WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE STAFF AND DAVID GRACE IS FANTASTIC AT THAT, BUT THE UH, BOARD MEMBER TOLD ME THAT, UH, HE WOULDN'T MIND IF IT WAS THE BACK DOOR FACING COTTON ALLEY BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEIR BACK DOOR IS.
BUT AS LONG AS THE CONDITIONS ARE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH FOR US TO DO THE RIGHT THING, THAT'S ALL WE WANT.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A CHANGE TO THE CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRES THOSE UNITS? NO MA'AM.
I THINK THE CONDITIONS ARE WRITTEN SUCH THAT, UH, BETWEEN DRB AND THE STAFF, THERE'S ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY THERE TO PRESENT A DESIGN THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS FORWARD FACING THAT WAY, THEN DAVID GRACE CAN, CAN SOLVE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT AT THIS TIME.
UM, GONNA OPEN THIS FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, ONE IN FAVOR.
PLEASE COME FORWARD SEEING NONE AND ANY IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
UM, I'M A RESIDENT OF VICTORIA SQUARE, 12,004 ORCHID LANE.
CURRENTLY THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR, FOR ME OR THE BOARD, I CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER THEM.
UM, I HAD SEVERAL THINGS PREPARED, BUT I WAS GLAD TO HEAR SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PUT IN THERE.
SO I THINK A LOT OF THE TERMS THAT WE HAD WERE ADDRESSED AND I DO WANT TO APPRECIATE THE TIME CHRIS HAS SPENT TALKING TO ME AND STEVE.
UH, WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN THIS PROJECT FOR PROBABLY SIX PLUS MONTHS WITH THEM, SO THEY HAVE DEFINITELY ADDRESSED SEVERAL OF OUR CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HAD.
UM, DRIVEWAY ACCESS OFF OF COTTON ALLEY'S BEEN MOVED.
UM, THE, UH, ONLY THING THAT I HAVE ON HERE THAT I DID NOT HEAR FROM MICHAEL WAS
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RELATED TO CONDITION 26.MOST OF ALL OUR CONCERNS DEALT WITH COTTON ALLEY.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THOSE PICTURES, THAT CENTER LINE PROPERTY LINE HE TECHNICALLY OWNS TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
SO IF THERE'S ANY CONSTRUCTION STAGING OR EQUIPMENT THERE, PEOPLE CAN'T USE THEIR DRIVEWAYS FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, THERE JUST AIN'T ENOUGH ROOM TO TURN.
SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THE CONDITION 26 IN THERE AND SEEMS LIKE CHRIS AND THEM ARE OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL.
THE THING I DIDN'T HEAR WAS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE INTENT OF SAYING STAGING OR NOT.
I WOULD PROPOSE CLARIFYING THAT CONDITION TO MAKE IT CLEAR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IS NOT ALLOWED IN THERE AS WELL BECAUSE THE ONLY EGRESS RATE ROUTE OUT IS THROUGHOUT PRIVATE ROADS.
UM, AND THAT KIND OF GETS BACK TO THE BALLER QUESTION EARLIER YEARS AGO, THAT'S WHY THOSE BALLERS WERE PUT BACK THERE BY THE PARKING LOT.
PEOPLE WERE CUTTING OFF TRYING TO CUT OFF THE RED LIGHT TO GET THE
SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, ONE THING I DID WANT TO CLARIFY, I BELIEVE CHRIS MAYBE JUST MISSPOKE THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE, THAT'S TECHNICALLY THE FRONT OF OUR TOWN HOMES FACING COTTON OUT.
SO I THINK YOU JUST MISSPOKE NOW, STEVE OR THE BOARD MEMBER DID TO ME ABOUT HIS CONVERSATION WITH CHRIS, CHRIS ABOUT THE STAIRS COMING OFF THE BACK, UH, MAKING IT LOOK LIKE IT'S ON THE FRONT FOR THEIR TOWN HOMES THAT ARE FACING COTTON ALLEY AND GOING DOWN.
THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVEN'T DISCUSSED WITH OUR COMMUNITY, BUT, UM, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE A NICE LOOK.
I DON'T THINK IT, THERE ARE AREAS THAT THEY CAN TIE INTO THAT DON'T IMPACT THAT BRICK WALL THAT'S THERE, THAT ARE ALL CUTOUTS FOR THE OLD DRIVEWAYS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO IN THERE.
SO AGAIN, I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC SINCE I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO OUR RESIDENTS.
SO THOSE WERE VERY FRIEND COMMANDS,
I'M GOING TO ASK CHRIS WHETHER YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD BEFORE I TURN THIS OVER TO THE BOARD? HE DIDN'T HEAR ME.
CHRIS, YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD?
I THINK THAT'S THE FRIENDLIEST, UH, COMMENT I'VE RECEIVED, UM, IN A PRESENTATION FROM, UH, FROM THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.
AND AGAIN, AS, AS YOU'RE DISCUSSING THIS, IF YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE, WE'LL BE GLAD IF YOU CANNOT, UH, COMMENT ON THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED.
YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE BETTER IF WE COULD ACCESS THAT FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT? I BELIEVE YOUR CAREER YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT.
YES, BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SENSITIVITY AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S ANOTHER CONDITION THAT WE ARE AGREEABLE WITH THAT THAT RIGHT OF WAY WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY.
SO THEN IT WILL BE FULLY CITY RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, BUT NO, WE'RE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
THERE WILL NEED TO BE JUST, JUST TO BE UH, UH, FORTHRIGHT, THERE WILL NEED TO BE SOME ENFORCEMENT DONE ON OUR PART TO EDUCATE THE CONTRACTORS BECAUSE YOU HIRE A CONTRACTOR, HE HIRES A SUBCONTRACTOR AND THEN HE HAS LABOR SHOW UP, THEY DON'T KNOW THE INSTRUCTIONS AND THEY'RE GONNA GO THE SHORTEST DISTANCE WHERE THEY CAN PART TO THEIR WORK SITE.
SO THERE'LL HAVE TO BE SOME CONES AND SIGNAGE AND SOME OTHER INFORMATION OUT THERE AND THE SUPERINTENDENT WILL HAVE HIS HANDS FULL, BUT WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
WOULD WOULD, DID THE, UM, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO ON CONDITION NUMBER 26 ADDING TO A CONSTRUCTION STAGING PLAN AND TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN? I BELIEVE THE CONDITION SPEAKS TO A STAGING PLAN THAT WE WILL DO AS PART OF THE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT FOR THE CITY TO REVIEW AND APPROVE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SPEAKING? WE CAN ADD A STATEMENT REGARDING CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC CONTROL.
YEAH, WE'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND OUR MOTION.
UM, MR. MICHAEL, CAN I ASK YOU TO COME UP JUST, UM, I KNOW THAT WE RECEIVED SOME RED LINES THIS AFTERNOON AND I WANTED TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE, UH, CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT WAS ASKING FOR.
OKAY, I THINK THESE WERE THE CHANGES CONDITION SIX, EIGHT AND 17.
OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO SUPPORT THESE CHANGES, THE APPLICANT'S CHANGES TO THESE CONDITIONS, WE REALLY NEED TO SEE A LANDSCAPE PLAN TO CONFIRM THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE STREETS.
SO FOR THIS EVENING, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CON THOSE THREE CONDITIONS REMAIN AS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO MAYBE WORK ON THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, AND AT THAT TIME WE MAY BE ABLE TO BE, GET MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THESE CHANGES.
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ANYONE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? UM, I WILL OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE Z DASH 25 DASH 10 SLASH V DASH 25 DASH 22 LEVITON SLASH 75 AND 91 ROSWELL STREET, SUBJECT TO THE 27 CONDITIONS AS READ BY MICHAEL WITH ONE CHANGE TO CONDITION NUMBER 26.
AND, UM, THAT IS ADDING IN THE SECOND SENTENCE, A CONSTRUCTION STAGING PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN SHALL BE PROVIDED WITH THE LDP SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF.
MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPERLY SECONDED FOR THE DISCUSSIONS.
SHOULD WE MAKE REFERENCE TO THE PUBLIC PRIVATE ARC ON THE CORNER AND MAKE NOTE THAT WE WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE OPEN TO PUBLIC MAINTAINED BY PRIVATE ION? NO.
I WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS GOT SOME, UH, QUITE A BIT OF, UH, REASONABLE AND ACTIONABLE, UH, INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND, UH, IT'S PRETTY, I KNEW BEFORE I CAME IN, AFTER STUDYING THE PACKET THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, BECAUSE WE GET THE EMAILS FROM THE PUBLIC AND IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT, UH, YOU GUYS TOOK THAT REASONABLE AND ACTIONABLE INPUT AND ACTED UPON IT AND YOU ENDED UP WITH A BETTER, UH, APPLICATION AND HEARING THAN IF YOU HAD NOT.
SO IT'S ALWAYS BETTER WHEN IT'S REASONABLE AND ACTIONABLE TO GET THAT ADDRESS PRIOR INSTEAD OF HAVING IT ALL COME OUT IN THE LAUNDRY TONIGHT.
THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS OR DID YOU HEAR RESOLUTION REGARDING THE PARK? A COMMENT WAS MADE.
I THINK HE, I THINK YOU DID GET RESOLUTION RIGHT.
UH, MY COMMENT IN, IN REPLY WAS, IT, IT IS, UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO REQUIRE DEFINITION AND CONDITIONS IS OKAY, AS IS IS FINE.
AND THAT IS, AND THAT IS CORRECT.
DOESN'T NEED TO BE A CONDITION OF ZONING.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
AND YOU KNOW WHEN TO TAKE IT TO COUNCIL ON THE 23RD.
DOES THE BOARD NEED A BREAK? NEED A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL RECONVENE.
THE NEXT NEXT ITEM IS MP DASH 26 DASH ZERO THREE SLASH CLUP DASH 26 0 1.
26 0 1 V 26 0 2 TPG BROOKSIDE WEST AND MS. CUK WILL BE PRESENTING.
AND IF I COULD JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT THE BROOKSIDE PLAN.
JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, I THINK THIS IS HELPFUL TO, TO, TO SHOW EVERYBODY WHY WE'RE HERE.
UH, AND WE'VE HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT CASES WE'VE LOOKED AT AT BROOKSIDE, AND THIS, THIS STARTS BACK IN 2020.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED IN 2020 WITH THE PANDEMIC, BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OFFICE PARKS IN ALPHARETTA PRIOR TO THAT BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH SUBURBAN OFFICE, ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS THE OLDER OFFICE, UH, BUILT IN THE EARLY NINETIES, LATE EIGHTIES THAT DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF AMENITIES.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE BROOKSIDE AREA AND WE, WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A PLANNING PROCESS, TALKED TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, TALKED TO THE LARGEST PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH IS GEORGIA STATE.
THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OVER, UH, 42 ACRES.
WE KNEW WE HAD A 30 ACRE PARK.
WE HAD THE HIGHEST VACANCY RATE OF ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.
AND LOOKING AT BROOKSIDE, 155 ACRES, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, AVALON 86 ACRES COMPARATIVELY.
SO THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY THAT 155 ACRES HAS THE AMENITIES THAT IT NEEDS.
AND THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BROOKSIDE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED TO CREATE A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT SPECIFICALLY NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, IT'S A 25 PAGE DOCUMENT, BUT SPECIFICALLY WE LOOKED AT HOW DO WE TAKE THAT EXISTING PARK, TIE IT TO THE OTHER PARCELS, REALLY BUILD UPON WHAT GEORGIA STATE HAS WITH THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT THAT IS IN PLACE.
AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO THE RESIDENTS SURROUNDING RESIDENTS, THEY SAID WE WOULD COME OVER THERE MORE AND USE THE TRAILS IF THEY WERE CLEARED, UH, IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL AS SAFE ON THE TRAILS, IF THEY WERE LIT.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE PLAN IN THE FUTURE.
SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, BECAUSE OF THE ADOPTION OF THE BROOKSIDE PLAN IS LOOKING AT A LANE REDUCTION.
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REDUCTION WOULD BE ON BROOKSIDE PARKWAY, AND WE PLAN FOR THAT TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN TS FLOSS THREE IF IT PASSES.UH, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS NOW WITHIN BROOKSIDE WHERE IT HAS THE FOUR LANES, THE PLAN WOULD BE TO COME IN AND, UH, GO TO A LANE DI PUT IN TWO LANES, A 12 FOOT MULTI-USE PATH.
THAT COULD BE FOR BIKES THAT WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO THAT WOULD BE ON THE SIDE WHERE GEORGIA STATE'S LOCATED.
AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE WOULD BE EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK.
SO THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, THE CONCEPT PLAN.
WE HAVE THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE IT WITHIN THE SLOSS THREE IF IT'S, IF THAT'S APPROVED.
OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 2021, WE'VE ALSO, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED FUNDING FOR US TO LOOK AT A BETTER ENTRANCE INTO THE, THE PARK.
SO THIS IS THE 30 ACRE PARK THAT WE HAVE.
AND WORKING WITH PORTMAN, THIS, THIS, THAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU IS A BLOW UP THIS AREA IN OLD MILTON.
SO WORKING WITH PORTMAN, AND THIS IS, THIS IS SHOWING THEIR PLAN, THE PHASE OF THEIR PLAN TO THE WEST OF THE SITE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT.
AND ONE OF THE, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY ON OLD MILTON PARKWAY AND ACROSS THE STREET KNOWS THAT THERE'S A 30 ACRE PARK.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
UH, THE, THE INITIAL COST ESTIMATE FOR THAT PROJECT IS GONNA BE ABOUT 300,000.
SO I BRING ALL OF THIS UP JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROJECTS WHEN WE PUT CONDITIONS OF ZONING, DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE CAN WORK WITH ANY OF THE, UM, DEVELOPERS AND USE IMPACT FEE CREDITS THAT MAY BE OFFSITE, BUT IT REALLY HELPS ALL BROOKSIDE WHEN IT'S APPROVED.
AND IF, IF YOU, AND IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE, THE ART AND THE DRAWINGS, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING VERY IMPACTFUL TO KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING HERE.
THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS AND IT'S CHANGED.
AND THE, AND THE LAST THING THAT I'LL MENTION IS THAT WE HAD THE, UH, THE BIKE SHARE PROGRAM THAT WAS APPROVED AND IT HAD THAT FUNCTIONAL IN 2020, THE COMPANY'S
AND SO WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND GEORGIA HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT TO FIND A REPLACEMENT.
AND WE THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE SOON, THAT RECOMMENDATION SOON WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
AND ONE OF THE STATIONS THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO THE CITY, OF COURSE, IS MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A STATION AT GEORGIA STATE.
AND LASTLY, BEFORE, BEFORE I GO INTO THE SPECIFIC PROJECT, WE HAVE BEEN REGULARLY MEETING WITH GEORGIA STATE AND INFORMING THEM OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON BECAUSE THEY WERE ONE OF THE BIG, UM, OF COURSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE LARGEST PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WENT TO HIM IN 2020.
THEY SAID, MAKE IT WALKABLE, CHANGE IT, MAKE IT A MIXED USE AREA, AND THEN COME BACK TO US.
SO WE'VE BEEN REGULARLY WORKING WITH THEM AND KEEPING THEM UPDATED ON THE PROGRESS.
THEY DID ASK US IF WE COULD GET A CHICK-FIL-A, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, OF COURSE, GET THE RETAIL THAT THEY CAN WALK TO, WHICH WILL BE COMING OUT OF THE GROUND THIS FALL.
YOU HAVE ONE DOWN THE STREET? YEAH, YEAH, I KNOW HILL.
THEY, THEY HAD ACTUALLY MENTIONED A CHIPOTLE AND WE SAID, WELL, THE, THE ARBY'S, YOU KNOW, HAS CONVERTED.
SO I GUESS THEY, THEY PROBABLY WITH THEIR SURVEYS, THE STUDENT SURVEYS, THEY GET A LOT OF, UM, FOOD REQUESTS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH THAT JUST FOR A MINUTE, JUST TO SHOW YOU, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT PLAN, NOT JUST WHAT YOU SEE, WHAT WE BRING FORWARD, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS AND, UM, STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE CONTINUE TO TALK TO.
SO THIS SPECIFIC PLAN WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU CAN SEE THE AREA ON THE SCREEN, UH, AND THE APPLICANT, PORTMAN HOLDINGS IS REQUESTING A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT, COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, AMENDMENT, REZONING AND VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF A FIVE STORY 130,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING, UH, WITH 104 FOUR SALE TOWN HOMES ON APPROXIMATELY 8.76 ACRES IN THE BROOKSIDE MASTER PLAN, A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT IS REQUESTED TO ALLOW THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'LL ALSO NEED A COM, UH, CONFERENCE OF LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING I DIDN'T MENTION, BUT THE BROOKSIDE PLAN DIDN'T HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES THAT WAS LEFT OPEN TO SEE WHAT WOULD COME FORWARD.
VARIANCES ARE REQUESTED TO REDUCE THE FRONT SETBACK ON BROOKSIDE PARKWAY, REDUCE MINIMUM UNIT WIDTH AND REDUCE BUFFERS.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 36 50
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BROOKSIDE PARKWAY NEAR THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF OLD MILTON PARKWAY AND BROOKSIDE PARKWAY.AND JUST LOOKING AT THIS, OF COURSE, THIS IS THE, THE PORTMAN MIXED USE THAT WAS APPROVED TO THE WEST.
THEY'LL BE REMOVING ONE OF THE OFFICE BUILDINGS.
IT WAS 335 APARTMENTS, UH, 69 TOWNHOMES AS WELL AS THE, THE FOOD CONCEPT.
AND THEN GEORGIA STATE, WHICH IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH, THIS IS A RESTAURANT THAT'S LOCATED TO THE NORTH, AND THIS IS THE MANSIONS.
IT'S NOT ASSISTED LIVING, BUT IT'S AGE RESTRICTED.
THEY DO HAVE A MIX OF DIFFERENT UNIT WIDTHS.
UH, THEY HAVE NOW, IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR ME TO READ 30, UH, THERE'S 36 OF THE 22, UH, WITH, UH, TOWN HOMES.
THEY HAVE, UH, 26 OF THE TWENTIES AND THEN 42 18.
SO 40% OF THE TOWN HOMES THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING DO NOT MEET OUR 20 FOOT WIDTH REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEY ARE REQUESTING A, A, A WIDTH OF 18 FEET.
SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE, THAT IS THE ATLEY DEVELOPMENT ON HAYNES BRIDGE.
I ALSO HAVE 15 FOOT WIDTHS AT THE GATHERING THAT'S AT MORRISON AND HAYES BRIDGE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE PERMITTED IN THE PAST.
AGAIN, THE PROPERTY ZONED ONI, IT WAS DEVELOPED IN 1999 WITH THE, WITH THE FIVE STORY OFFICE BUILDING.
THE MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY IN 1997 AND, AND IT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED AT ITS FULL POTENTIAL.
SO IT IS BROOKSIDE IS, IS PERMITTED, UH, 1.6 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, BUT IT'S DEVELOPED AT ABOUT, UM, HALF OF THAT, WHAT THAT IS ALLOWED
WE HAD NORTH POINT MALL, WE HAD, UM, SOUTH MAIN STREET AND THE BROOKSIDE AREA AS THE TOP AREAS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAD NOTED SHOULD BE REDEVELOPED.
THE NEW INTERNAL STREET NETWORK CONSISTS OF, OF TWO PRIVATE STREETS.
SO ALL OF THE STREETS WILL BE PRIVATE.
CURRENTLY THEY DO HAVE A CURB CUT THAT'S LOCATED, UM, ON THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THE ONLY CURB CUT THAT THEY HAVE IS AN EXISTING SHIRT, UH, SHARED CURB CUT THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE MANSIONS.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO BE, FOR IT TO BE GATED.
WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF GATING.
WE DON'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF GATING WITHIN DOWNTOWN, WITHIN PART OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY, THEY ARE REQUESTING ABOUT 0.8 ACRES OF AMENITY SPACE IS SHOWN IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THEY HAVE THREE POCKET PARKS, YOU CAN SEE THOSE HERE.
UH, THEY ALSO HAVE SOME SMALL PARKS THAT ARE LOCATED, UM, ON THE WESTERN SIDE AND THE COMMUNITY PARK, UH, WITH POOL AND MALE KIOSKS ARE DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN.
MOST OF THE STREET TREES ARE GONNA BE SAVED.
AND THE REASON THAT THEY NEED THE VARIANCE TO MOVE THESE CLOSER TO THE STREET IS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED ALSO WITHIN THE BROOKSIDE PLAN.
OF COURSE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SETBACKS, THEY WERE OVER A HUNDRED FEET.
THAT IS, IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE WITHIN A WALKABLE, UH, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S ALSO VERY GOOD FOR THE SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET.
IF YOU'RE AT THE SCHOOL, THIS PROPERTY SITS UP HIGH.
SO IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT THAT THESE, UM, THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE TOWN HOMES, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LOT OF, UM, OF, UM, A LOT OF DETAIL TOWARDS THE STREET.
THEY HAVE THE WALKOUT AND THEY HAVE THE CONNECTIONS TO THE STREET.
AND HERE'S THE ARCHITECTURE THAT THEY SUBMITTED.
SO ANOTHER ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS IS THAT THEY REMAIN, UH, THE BRICK THAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE, THE MAJORITY BRICK.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE A CONDITION THAT SAYS THAT THE, THAT STATES THAT THE WALKOUTS, THAT THESE SHOULD BE HEAVIER ARCHITECTURALLY AND THAT THEY SHOULD REALLY BEEF THESE UP.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THESE, THE ONES THAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE, PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT THREE FEET AND WIDTH.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S WIDER THAT REALLY HAS, UM, MORE DEPTH ALONG THE FRONT.
SO WE'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THAT CONDITION.
YOU WON'T SEE ANY CHANGES, UH, TO THE STREET WITH THE SIDEWALKS, ALTHOUGH
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I TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE OF BROOKSIDE WILL BE WITH THE WIDER SIDEWALKS.THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE DONE IN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, THEY WILL LEAVE THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS AND THE TREES.
AND IF THE CITY DOES RECEIVE FUNDING IN THE FUTURE AND MOVES FORWARD WITH THE LANE DIET, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THOSE TREES WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED.
UH, WE DID LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC 104 TOWNHOMES WILL GENERATE 40 6:00 AM PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 50 1:00 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
UH, THE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT WOULD REPRESENT AN 82% DECREASE IN AM PEAK HOUR TRIPS IN NINE, IN 79% DECREASE IN PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STREETS WITHIN ALPHARETTA, ONLY OLD MILTON PARKWAY HAS THE HIGHEST VEHICULAR DAILY TRAFFIC.
ONLY FOUR GEORGIA 400 HAS HIGHER TRIPS.
NORTH POINT PARKWAY AROUND 26,000.
SO THIS WOULD BE A REDUCTION IN THAT TRAFFIC.
AND THEN SCHOOLS, UH, WE DID, UH, SEND THE, THE DEVELOPMENT TO FULTON COUNTY SCHOOLS AND THEY CAME BACK THAT AND SAID THAT FROM ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO 51 SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN COULD RESIDE AT THE PROPERTY.
AFTER REVIEWING, LOOKING AT THE BROOKSIDE PLAN, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BECAUSE THE, THE 2040 COMP PLAN IDENTIFIES OLD MELTON PARKWAY, EAST OF FOUR HUNDREDS OF PRIORITY AREA IN NEED OF DEVELOPMENT.
IT ALSO PROMOTES, UH, RETROFITTING AND MISUSE PATTERNS TO CREATE MORE ACTIVITY WITHIN THAT NODE.
UH, AND THEN ALSO THE APPLICANT DID HAVE THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN, AND THEY STATED THAT LETTERS WERE MAILED TO EACH PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN 500 FEET, AND THE REPORT STATES THAT THEY DID NOT.
THEY RECEIVED ONE COMMENT, WHICH WAS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSAL, AND THEN THE COMMUNITY ZONING INFORMATION MEETING WAS HELD ON JANUARY 14TH.
THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE, ON THE SIGN INDEED, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO 25 CONDITIONS.
ONE, UH, DEALS WITH THE, THE REZONING AND THE SITE PLAN.
I THINK THE CHAIRMAN HAD ASKED ME LAST TIME TO BRING A COPY TO PUT, AND OF COURSE, NOW I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME, SO I'LL WALK THROUGH THOSE, UM, CONDITIONS.
UH, TWO, THE PROPERTY SHALL BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 104 DWELLING FOR SALE ATTACHED UNITS.
MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, THREE STORIES, THREE DEALS WITH THE ARCHITECTURE.
FOUR, UH, NO MORE THAN 46 TOWNHOME UNITS SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM UNIT WIDTH OF 18 FEET.
TOWNHOME BUILDINGS FRONTING ON BROOKSIDE PARKWAY SHALL HAVE A SIDEWALK CONNECTION TO THE SIDEWALK ALONG BROOKSIDE PARKWAY APPROVED BY STAFF.
SIX, UM, DEALS WITH THE FENCING.
SEVEN, THE BUILDING SETBACKS, UH, EIGHT LANDSCAPE STRIPS.
10 DEVELOPERS SHALL PROVIDE A LINE OF SIGHT STUDY TO REPLACE LANDSCAPING TO SCREEN GARAGE DOORS FROM BROOKSIDE PARKWAY AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
12, THE PROPOSED DEPARTMENT SHALL NOT BE GATED, AND THEN 13 REQUIRING THAT THEY CLOSE THAT EXISTING, UM, CURB CUT THAT'S LOCATED ON THE WESTERN SIDE.
UH, 14, IMPROVE THE LINE OF SIGHT AND 15 DEALS WITH THE INTERNAL STREETS.
16 ALLEYS TERMINATING, OF COURSE, HAVE TO BE LANDSCAPED.
UH, 17 JUST REQUIRES ADDITIONAL, UH, SIDEWALK CONNECTION, AND THAT'S HERE ON THE SITE PLAN, JUST SO YOU HAVE A ADDITIONAL PUBLIC ACCESS.
WHEN I WELL ACCESS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT 18 SITE PLAN SHALL ACCOMMODATE THE BROOKSIDE PARKWAY ROAD DIET.
AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE ENTIRELY WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
19 PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK, UM, SHALL REQUIRE FURTHER COORDINATION WITH STAFF AS PART OF THE LDP PROCESS.
AND THAT IS HERE, THAT'S A CROSSWALK, OF COURSE, GETTING PEOPLE INTO THE, THE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST.
UH, 20 DEVELOPERS SHALL IDENTIFY TRAIL CONSTRUCTION ENHANCEMENT PROJECT IN THE BROOKS SOLID SIDE SMALL AREA PLAN AND IMPLEMENT
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THE PROJECT IN EXCHANGE FOR IMPACT FEE CREDITS, AS IS APPROVED BY STAFF.AND I, I SHOWED YOU A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THAT IS.
I MEAN, THAT COULD BE A $300,000, UM, ENHANCEMENT INTO THE PARK, OR IT COULD JUST BE LIGHTING ON THE EXISTING TRAILS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK WITH PORTMAN BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE, ON THE WESTERN SIDE, OVER $2 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT A LOT OF FOCUS ON THAT PARK AND GETTING PEOPLE OVER TO THE 30 ACRE PUBLIC PARK.
AND AS PART OF THAT TOO, WE ARE CONTINUING TO APPLY FOR GRANTS OVER $3 MILLION IN GRANTS TO TRY TO GET A BRIDGE THAT WILL CONNECT AT, UH, BROOKSIDE PARK OVER TO THE BIG CREEK GREENWAY.
UH, THIS IS SAVING THE EXISTING OAK TREE.
22 RETAINING WALLS SHALL RECEIVE ARCHITECTURAL FACADE TREATMENT AND OR BE HEAVENLY LANDSCAPED AS APPROVED BY STAFF RETAINING WALLS VISIBLE FROM DEVELOPED AREAS EXCEEDING 16 FEET IN HEIGHT SHALL BE TERRA AND LANDSCAPED.
23 DEVELOPERS SHALL PROVIDE AN ORIGINAL SCULPTURE MINIMUM FALL, FEET AND HEIGHT AT THE PROJECT ENTRANCE, FINAL APPROVAL BY THE CITY'S CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION.
AND 24 NO UNFINISHED WOOD DECKS ARE FENCING SHALL BE VISIBLE FROM BROOKSIDE PARKWAY.
AND 25, MORE THAN 10% OF THE TOWN HALL UNITS SHALL BE RENTED AS STATED IN THE HOA COVENANTS.
AND THEY DID HAVE A COUPLE, THEY DID HAVE SOME REQUESTS, I THINK THAT WERE PRINTED FOR YOU.
SOME CHANGES, UM, REQUESTED FOR THEIR CONDITIONS.
AND STAFF IS OKAY WITH THEIR REQUESTED CHANGES EXCEPT FOR THREE.
WE WANT TO KEEP THE, UM, UH, COVERED WALKOUTS ON THERE VERSUS PORCHES, BECAUSE IF THEY DO HAVE SIDE STEPS OR EVEN LIKE THEY HAVE AT THE ATLEY, WHICH IT'LL, THIS WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN THE ATLEY, BUT YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE STEPS, YOU'LL HAVE A WALL THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE STEPS IF IT'S GOING UP TO THE DOOR, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO ANY, ANY TYPE OF, UM, ENTRANCE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ARCHITECTURALLY, UM, HEAVY ALONG THE FRONT.
AND THEN ON 12, WE WOULD PREFER, OF COURSE, IF THEY KEEP CONDITION 12, BUT THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO TRY TO ANSWER THOSE.
SO YOU, UH, YOU ARE OKAY WITH EVERYTHING BUT NUMBER 12 AND NUMBER THREE? NUMBER THREE, YES.
WITH RESPECT TO GATING IT, UM, IS IT BECAUSE THE CODE SAYS YOU DON'T ALLOW GANG IN THE DOWNTOWN, OR IS THERE ANOTHER REASON? IT'S BE, IT SAYS THAT WE DON'T ALLOW IT IN THE DOWNTOWN.
AND WE, WE ALSO IN GENERAL, THROUGH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, HAVE NOT RECOMMENDED GATING IF IT'S WITHIN A MIXED USE PART OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
JUST LIKE IN AVALON, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE GATED DEVELOPMENTS IN AVALON.
THEY MAY WISH THEY DID SOMETIMES, BUT, BUT, BUT, SO WE IN GENERAL, WE DON'T PICK AND CHOOSE WITH MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND SO WE DO NOT RECOMMEND GATING WITH ANY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS.
IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S JUST STAFF IS NOT KATHY, KATHY, WE'RE EXACTLY UNDER THE MAP TO THE, WE'RE PROPOSING THIS GATE.
AND, UH, I LISTEN ALL MY YEARS OF BEING UP HERE ON, ON COUNCIL, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF GATING FOR MORE SAFETY REASONS THAN ANYTHING WHERE, WHERE IT'S HERE.
SO IT DOES IT SIT BACK, IT SITS BACK, BUT IT, IT'S, UM, STILL GATING AND WE, WE DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF GATING.
AND THEY ALSO, THEY'LL HAVE A FENCE ALONG THE FRONT SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE AT ATLEY, BUT WE PUT A CONDITION FOUR FOOT MAX, AND IT'LL HAVE BRICK COLUMNS.
THAT'S, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T GIVE A PICTURE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT IT'S, IT'S VERY DECORATIVE ALONG ATLEY.
SO WE DO THINK THAT THAT'S A NICE LOOK WHEN YOU HAVE THE GATES AND YOU HAVE THE FENCE THAT DOES HAVE THE BRICK COLUMNS, BUT THE INTERIOR GATING IS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SUPPORT OR RECOMMEND.
UH, KATHY, QUICK QUESTION ABOUT CONDITION 14 ABOUT IMPROVING, UH, SITE DISTANCES.
UH, COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? UH, WOULD THIS BE LIKE REDUCING SOME LANDSCAPING OR, AND I'LL, I'LL LET UM, GEORGE ANSWER THAT IF HE WANTS TO.
I THINK YOU'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THE SITE DISTANCE.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE EXISTING CONDITION,
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UM, THERE'S LIMITED SITE DISTANCE.CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YEAH, CLEARLY.
UM, SO IN CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT AND HIS CIVIL ENGINEERS, UM, WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING AND WE'LL CONTINUE COORDINATING IF APPROVAL DURING THE LDP PHASE TO IDENTIFY HOW TO MAXIMIZE THE SITE DISTANCE TO MEET MINIMUM STANDARDS.
COULD THERE BE LANDSCAPING THAT'S MOVED, THINGS LIKE THAT? YES.
SO IT'S NOT, OR, OR HOW LANDSCAPING CAN BE ACCOMMODATED FOR IN ORDER TO MEET THE MINIMUM SITE DISTANCE.
SO YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AFFECTING THE CURVATURE OF THE ROAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? IT'S MORE NO.
IT'S, IT'S RELATED TO EXISTING ELEVATIONS THAT WILL BE REMOVED DURING CONSTRUCTION IF APPROVED.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF MORE MOVING PARTS THAT NEED VETTED DURING THE LATER PROJECT PHASE.
AND THEN KATHY, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION.
YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ATLEY HAS SOME 18 FOOT PRODUCT.
UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT RELATIVE PROPORTION OF ALL VALEY IS? THE 18 FOOT? NO, BUT I'M SURE THE, UM, PROVIDENCE GROUP IS HERE AND THEY BUILT THE, AT LEAST THAT COULD PROBABLY, UM, TELL YOU.
AND, AND IT IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GET A LOT OF, UH, PRESSURE ABOUT THE, THE PRICE OF HOMES AND, AND, AND WE'RE NOT REALLY ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT WE HAVE SEEN THAT WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING HOUSES ARE GETTING SMALLER.
SO EVEN WITH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, EVEN WITH THESE 18 FOOT WIDTHS, THEY'RE STILL 2200 SQUARE FEET.
AND WE'RE ALSO SEEING THAT TOWN HOMES ARE BECOMING FIRST TIME BUYERS.
YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY MANY YEARS AGO, A A FIRST TIME BUYER MAY NOT CONSIDER WITH FAMILY AND TOWN HOMES, BUT THEY, THEY ARE CONSIDERING THOSE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS BECAUSE OF THE PRICE AND ALSO THE LOCATION, BECAUSE MOST OF THE LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING THE TOWN HOMES CLOSE TO PARKS AND TRAILS.
SO IT IS SOMEWHERE THAT PEOPLE, PEOPLE WANNA LIVE.
AND I DO KNOW, EVEN WITH THE GATHERING, WHEN THE 15 FOOT WIDE TOWN HOMES WERE APPROVED, THOSE WERE THE FIRST ONES SOLD THAT WAS SOLD BY BROCK BELT.
SO YEAH, I, SO, SO IT IS A TREND.
I MEAN, SOMETHING A LOT OF US, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVEN'T SEEN, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE ARE SEEING MORE OF THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST.
BUT THEY CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION, I THINK ABOUT PERCENTAGE.
AND, UH, DID YOU TALK TO HIM AT ALL ABOUT DETACHED HOUSING WITH TOWN HOMES? WAS THAT EVER IN CONVERSATION? NO, WE DID NOT HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DO CI HAVE A, JUST A COUPLE.
UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WITH DENSE TOWNS, WE USUALLY HAVE A CONDITION ABOUT HVAC UNITS BEING, UM, UH, SCREENED FROM RIGHT OF AWAYS.
THAT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS.
THAT COULD, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ADDED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE, UM, THEY'VE SCREENED IT IN THE PAST, THIS DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO A CERTAIN DEVELOPER.
SO IT IS ALWAYS GOOD TO INCLUDE THOSE IN CASE IT WASN'T, IN CASE IT WAS BUILT BY A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER.
UM, AND THEN COULD YOU PUT UP OR SPEAK TO THE TYPE OF FENCING THAT WILL BE AROUND THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT? I KNOW THAT, I SEE THAT THERE'S SHADOW BOX FENCING ON ONE SECTION AND THEN ALUMINUM.
SO, SO THE, THE SHADOW BOX WOULD ACTUALLY BE ALONG THIS PROPERTY LINE, UH, WITH THE, ALONG THE MANSIONS, OF COURSE WITH LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO BE ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE WHERE TO BUTTS, UH, THE RESTAURANT PROPERTY.
AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE THE METAL, WHICH WE HAVE A CONDITION IN THERE THAT WOULD BE NO HIGHER THAN FOUR FEET, AND IT'S TO MAKE IT SURE IT'S MORE DECORATIVE THAN A SECURITY LOOKING FENCE.
WE ALSO TALKED TO THE CONDITION AND THEY AGREED THAT THEY WOULD PUT IN THE BRICK COLUMNS.
AND I CAN'T TELL FROM THEIR PLAN, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S EVERY, MAYBE EVERY 20 FEET, 25, 50, 50 FEET.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE ATLEY PRIOR TO GOING TO COUNCIL AND MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS APPROVED ALONG HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD.
'CAUSE THAT'S A MORE DECORATIVE FENCE INSTEAD OF A SECURITY LOOKING FENCE.
AND WHEN YOU GO TO FOUR FEET, THAT'S HOW YOU MAKE IT TO WHERE IT DOESN'T LOOK TOO, UM, MUCH OF A SECURITY FENCE.
AND SO IS THE SHADOW BOX VERSION, IS THAT TO PROVIDE MORE PRIVACY BETWEEN THE YEAH, YEAH.
SO THAT'S FOR THE PRIVACY BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL HERE AND HERE.
AND WE'LL REQUIRE THAT TO BE SCREENED TOO, SO THAT YOU CAN'T WITH EVERGREENS.
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UM, MY LAST QUESTION IS PROBABLY MORE OF A COMMENT AND WHICH IS ABOUT THE, THE VARIANCE FOR THE WIDTH OF THE TOWN HOMES.UM, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CRITERIA FOR VARIANCES, IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, HARDSHIPS.
AND, AND I DON'T REALLY, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE SUPPORTING OF IT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT, FOR ME, FROM THE WAY I'M INTERPRETING IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A HARDSHIP THAT IS REQUIRING A, A EXCEPTION TO OUR CODE.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE OF A PREFERENCE IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT.
AND IT MAY BE, BUT TO US IT IS A HARDSHIP.
WHEN YOU HAVE 130,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE, YOU HAVE AN EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT'S GONNA BE BE REMOVED.
SO, AND, AND ALSO WITH, UM, PROPERTY, IT'S NOT THE TYPICAL SHAPE.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S A, THIS ISN'T, UM, GOING INTO A, A GREENFIELD PROPERTY.
SO TO US IT WAS A HARDSHIP BECAUSE OF THE, UM, EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S LOCATED IN THE PROPERTY, UM, AS WELL AS THE SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY.
HAS, UM, THE CITY CONSIDERED MAKING CHANGES, PERMANENT CHANGES TO THE WIDTH OF THE TOWN HOMES? WE NEED TO, YES.
'CAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 26 YEARS AGO WHEN THIS WAS BUILT, I WAS LOOKING AT OUR, OUR COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE HAS DOUBLED.
OUR OFFICE HAS DOUBLED, BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T CHANGED THAT.
AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY MOVE FORWARD TO CHANGE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO SEE THINGS NOW THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN OF COURSE, 25 YEARS AGO.
SO WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT MAKING SOME CHANGES.
ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. COOK.
I'LL ASK, ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION.
MY NAME'S, UH, KIRK STO, UH, SMITH GERE AND RUSSELL 1105 WEST PEACHTREE STREET IN ATLANTA.
UM, WE ARE HERE WITH, UM, THE PROVIDENCE GROUP WHO, WHO YOU ALL KNOW, UM, AND WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT WARREN AND, UM, CLINT AND MIKE.
UH, WE'VE ALSO GOT A REPRESENTATIVE, THE, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS, UH, IS PORTMAN AND GOT, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE OF, UH, PORTMAN WITH US.
UM, I THINK KATHY'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF KIND OF TALKING THROUGH THE, UM, THE MASTER PLAN, THE SMALL AREA PLAN.
YOU GUYS ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT.
YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THAT THE, IT IT'S THE VISION AND ALSO SORT OF THE ECONOMIC NECESSITY TO REDEVELOP THIS AREA.
AND AS ONE EXAMPLE, SHE TALKED ABOUT THE HIGH VACANCY RATES FOR OFFICE.
THIS PARTICULAR OFFICE HAS AN 86% VACANCY.
SO IT, IT IS A PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO BE REDEVELOPED.
WE, THIS, UH, TOWN HOME COMMUNITY IS ONE THAT FITS WELL WITHIN THE, WITHIN THAT VISION, WHICH, AS WE ALL KNOW, IS TO CREATE A MORE WALKABLE, UH, MORE, MORE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT WILL SUPPORT THE, THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL RETAIL.
AND YOU CAN SEE, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR THE POINT, BUT YOU CAN, UH, WE, WE TRIED TO ILLUSTRATE, UH, HERE, UH, THE TOWN HOME COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE MIDDLE AND TO THE, UM, TO THE LEFT OR TO THE WEST IS WHERE THE, UM, THE, UM, PORTLAND PARK SIDE HAS ALREADY BEEN, UH, ENTITLED.
AND KATHY DID A JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT TO YOU.
UM, AND TO THE SOUTH WE'VE GOT, UH, GEORGIA STATE UNIVERSITY, UH, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT, UH, THE RESERVE, WHICH IS AN, UH, THAT YOU CAN SEE OVERLAID, WHICH IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT, UM, UH, THAT WE'VE ALREADY, UM, GOT ENTITLED.
AND, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS OF THAT.
ONE, ONE THING I WANNA FOCUS ON, I THINK FOR A MINUTE, IS WE, WE KNOW AS PART OF THIS REDEVELOPMENT EFFORT, UH, IT, IT'S NOT JUST THE ADDITION OF THE, UM, OF, OF ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT PARKSIDE, UM,
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PARKWAY IS, UM, IS A, UM, IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THAT.SO I WANTED TO, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU, UM, THIS, UM, AND CLINT, I MAY ASK YOU FOR SOME TECHNICAL HELP HERE.
SO THIS IS THE SAME SITE PLAN THAT YOU'VE, UH, THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN.
THE, THERE IS ONE ADDITION THAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU REALLY FOR ILLUSTRATION PURPOSES, AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE STAFF TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT, UH, US TO SUBMIT IT OR NOT.
BUT, AND I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT.
IT'S, IT'S THE SAME DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE'VE ARTICULATED ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, UH, IN THE SITE PLAN RELATED TO, UM, TO ACCESS.
AND, UM, BUT, BUT, UH, KIND OF GOING BACK TO BROOKSIDE PARKWAY, THERE ARE FEATURES OF THE, UH, OF THAT PARKWAY THAT WE KNOW ARE IMPORTANT, UH, FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.
THIS, THIS ROAD DIET, WHICH IS REALLY PART OF MAKING THIS AREA MORE, UH, WALKABLE ACCESSIBLE.
AND SO THERE ARE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION.
FIR FIRST, YOU CAN SEE THOSE STREET TREES THAT ARE, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN OUT THERE, THEY ARE NICE STREET TREES.
AND WE HAVE AS A CONDITION THAT WE WILL MAINTAIN THOSE, EXCEPT AT THE ENTRANCE WHERE WE'VE GOTTA ADDRESS THE, UM, THE SITE, UM, THE, UM, UM, THE, THE ABILITY TO KIND OF SEE FROM THE ROADWAY, BUT THE, UH, AT THE ACCESS POINT.
UM, THE, THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO SHOW YOU, UH, AND KATHY TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU SEE ALONG THERE THAT THERE, THERE IS THIS ROAD DIET PROJECT, WHICH WE WILL, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING THAT WILL PROHIBIT THAT.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, UH, THAT PROJECT.
BUT AS PART OF THE ACCESSIBILITY, THERE ARE ONE, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE AGREED TO WAS THE ABILITY TO ACCESS THE ROADWAY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT, IT RAISES THIS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT THIS TOPIC OF GATING THE COMMUNITY, ALTHOUGH THE, THE ACCESS POINT FOR CARS WILL BE, UH, WILL BE, WILL BE GATED, UM, THE ACCESS THERE ARE, THERE WILL BE ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE, UM, POSTPONED.
IT, IT WILL BE THE, THE, THE, UM, THE GATE WILL ALLOW ACCESS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO ILLUSTRATE THAT IN ONE OF THE CONDITIONS.
EACH ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS WILL HAVE AN ACCESS POINT ONTO THE PARKWAY.
THE, THE, UH, THE, THE, UM, THE FENCING IS DECORATIVE.
IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO KEEP PEDESTRIANS OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO ILLUSTRATE THAT WITH THIS, UM, UH, WITH THE SITE PLAN.
THE OTHER THING I THINK IS IMPORTANT ALONG THE PI PAR, UH, THE PARKWAY TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT ALL OF THESE UNITS WILL BE FRONT FACING TOWARDS THE PARKWAY.
SO THAT, SO THAT IT WILL BE, UM, IT'LL BE THAT MORE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBOR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE ARE USED TO FROM THE, UM, FROM, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE PARKWAY.
UH, AND AS KATHY HAD SAID THAT THE, UM, UH, THAT THE FACADE, AND WE'LL SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, BUT THE FACADE WILL ALL BE, UH, WILL BE PRIMARILY BRICK.
AND SO, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, RECESSED, UH, ACCESS, UH, FROM THE OUTSIDE SO THAT IT LOOKS, UH, IT LOOKS MORE, UH, UH, UH, LIKE YOU WOULD HOPE.
THE THE NEXT THING THAT, UH, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU IS THE, UM, THESE ARE THE, UH, IN TERMS OF THE AMENITIES WE'VE GOT, LEMME GO BACK HERE FIRST.
WE'VE GOT THREE POCKET PARKS, UH, IN TERMS OF THE GREEN SPACE.
ONE REALLY AT EACH END OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, UH, ONE IN THE MIDDLE, ALONG WITH A, UM, ALONG WITH A SWIMMING POOL AND A POOL HOUSE.
AND THESE ARE, YOU CAN SEE THE ILLUSTRATIONS HERE.
I I WANTED TO FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE THOUGH THAT THESE ARE MORE, MORE THAN JUST GREEN SPACES.
THEY ARE COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACES.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE CHAIR SWINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, FIREPLACE THERE.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS A SEATING THAT'S ORIENTED SO THAT THE, UM, SO THAT THE POCKET PARKS ARE, UM, ARE A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEEN THAT THE WAY THAT, UM, MAYBE IT COULD HELP ME, THE, THE, UM, ME,
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IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE OTHER PROJECTS IN THE AREA.IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, THE CITY'S GUIDELINES.
AND, UH, AND IT HAS, UM, IT'S GOT REAR ENTRY, UH, WITH THE ALLEYWAYS AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, BUT IT'S ALSO WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD CALL THE ARCHITECTURE IS, IS, UM, IS KIND OF VARIED AND BLENDED SO THAT YOU CAN, UH, SO THAT IT HAS A, UH, A VERY ATTRACTIVE LOOK TO IT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, I DID WANT TO SHOW YOU THE, SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE THE, THE BUILDINGS WILL BE FRONT FACING TOWARDS THE PARKWAY.
UH, THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS THAT WILL HAVE A, A SIDE VIEW, BUT THE ARCHITECTURE WILL BE SO THAT IT APPEARS TO BE FRONT FACING.
AND THIS IS AN ARCHITECTURE, THIS IS AN ELEVATION THAT WILL SHOW YOU THOSE, UH, WHAT THE SIDE ENTRIES WILL, UH, WILL LOOK LIKE.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, WHAT, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS, UM, TURN IT OVER TO, UH, WARREN.
WARREN'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, A COUPLE OF THE CONDITIONS AND ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN AND EMERGENCY PLANNING COMMISSION, WARREN JOLLY, PRESIDENT OF THE PROVINCE GROUP, UM, 4 56 WEST PAS FERRY ROAD, ATLANTA, GEORGIA.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANNA SEND.
ONE THING WAS THE, IN THE CONDITIONS WITH THE GATED, UM, PORTION.
WE'VE DONE SEVERAL COMMUNITIES IN ALPHA RATHER GATED.
SOME OF 'EM ARE ON THE ALPHA LOOP, CHELSEA WALK, ATLEY.
UM, WE ACTUALLY DID, UH, WE WERE INVOLVED IN, WE DID MILTON PARK RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS THE AL GATEWAY, UH, GREEN PATH WAS THERE.
SO WE NEVER WANT TO RUN OUT PEDESTRIANS.
AND WHEN KATHY SAYS A MIXED USE COMMUNITY, THESE ARE A MIXTURE OF USES ACROSS THE STREET, BUT THERE'S NOT A MIXTURE OF USES WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND IN OUR HISTORY OF BUILDING HOUSES, UM, GATES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
IT'S NOT REALLY A SECURITY DEAL, IT IS JUST A LOCKUP AND LEAVE.
AGAIN, THE PROVINCE GROUP, WE DO HIGHLY AMENITIZED COMMUNITY AMENITIES.
WE MAINTAIN ALL THE YARDS, MAINTAIN ALL THE EXTERIORS, MAINTAIN ALL THE ROOFS, IT'S A LOCK UP AND LEAVE
AND SO TO PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE THE SECURITY OF A GATE.
UM, SO WE LIKE TO KEEP THAT BACK IN, UM, THE ARCHITECTURE.
UM, WE, I THINK WE'LL WORK EVERYTHING OUT WITH STAFF.
SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS, IF YOU LOOK, HAVE PORCHES.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE A PORCH COUNTS AND IT, AND TAKE, WITHOUT TAKING THE PORCH OFF.
UM, GO BACK TO THE BRICK ELEVATION.
SO EVERY TIME WE CAN ALPHA A, A NEW PROJECT, IT'S TIME.
WHAT'S THE ARCHITECTURE GONNA LOOK LIKE? IT'S A BIG DEAL.
10 HOW LONG? OKAY, I'LL GIVE HIM A FEW MORE MINUTES.
NO, YOU CAN GO ON ANOTHER THREE MINUTES.
WELL, TWO, TWO THINGS I WANNA POINT OUT.
WE, WE CAN, WE CAN BUILD THE WHOLE PROJECT AND HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS WITH 20 FOOT WIDE UNITS.
WHAT, WHAT WE WANT, THIS IS A SEVEN NORCROSS, WHERE THIS IS BUILT, THIS IS HISTORIC DOWNTOWN.
UM, WHEN YOU BUILD A DOWN ON BUILDING, THEY PRETTY MUCH ALL REPLICATE AND THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BUILD A STREETSCAPE.
YOU HAVE A 22 FOOT WIDE UNIT THAT HAS AN ELEVATOR.
YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT WIDE UNIT THAT HAS PORCHES.
YOU HAVE TWO 18 FOOT WIDE UNITS THAT SHARE EACH OTHER, THAT HAVE A SWEEPING COPPER ROOF.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A 22 FOOT UNIT.
WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS DESIGN DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES FOR DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS.
SO SOMEBODY BUYING A 22 FOOT UNIT WITH AN ELEVATOR IS NOT GONNA BUY AN 18 FOOT UNIT.
AND, AND YOU GET DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS.
SO WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU GET A DIVERSITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF YOU BUILD ALL 20 FOOT UNITS, THEY'RE ALL THE SAME HOUSE.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
SO WE, WE THINK THIS IS A BETTER THING THAN BUILDING 20 FOOT UNITS WITH MIXTURE.
WE BUILT, UM, WE HAVE 18 FOOT UNITS IN, UM, ECHO PARK, UM, AND THEN THE, THE ONE BY THE COOLER ALSO ATLEY I BROOK.
AND SO IT, IT, THERE'S TWO CARGO GARAGES TOO, SO THEY'RE NOT JUST, UM, BUT THE, UM, THAT WAS THE MAIN THING I WANT TO POINT OUT WITH THE, THE GATES AND ALSO THE ARCHITECTURE.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M MORE HAPPY.
UM, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HEAR NO QUESTIONS AT THESE TIME.
THEY MAY COME BACK AND ASK A QUESTION.
UH, ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION?
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SEEING NONE.ANYONE IN OPPOSITION? NO ONE IN FAVOR.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD? NOTHING.
I'M TURNING THIS OVER TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND OR EMOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO START BY COMMENTING ON THE GATING.
I, FOR A PRODUCT LIKE THIS, I AM INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE APPLICANT IN TERMS OF HAVING A GATE.
AND I'VE SEEN THIS IN SO MANY DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS, UH, IN OTHER PLACES WHERE IT MAINTAINS THE, UM, 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE WANDERING IN AND OUT JUST TO LOOK AROUND OR DRIVE AROUND.
AND, UM, IT DOES POSE A SECURITY THREAT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION.
IT'S BECAUSE THE CODE SAYS IT, OR THERE IS, OR INDICATES OR MANDATES OR THERE IS ANOTHER REASON.
AND, UM, FOR PRODUCTS THAT ARE THIS QUALITY IN AN AREA LIKE THIS, I AM INCLINED TO SUPPORT A GATE THAT, UM, THE BOARD WILL NEED TO DECIDE WHETHER TO SUPPORT THAT.
AND COUNCIL AUDIT, WE MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE AUDATION, UH, THE CITY IS GOING TO MAKE ON THE PARK.
EVERY TIME I'M RUNNING UP THAT ROAD, I TURN RIGHT AND LIKE, I WISH THERE WAS SOME, UH, PLACES I COULD JUST WEAVE IN AND OUT.
BUT, UM, IT'S COMING AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT THING ARE MY COMMENTS.
I, I, I AM, UM, I I AM TORN ON THE GATE, UM, FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE IS I LIVE IN A GATED TOWN HOME COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT COMES THROUGH THERE THAT IS JUST THE DELIVERY TRAFFIC IS ASTRONOMICAL AND THE AMOUNT OF, UM, MALFUNCTIONS WITH THE GATE AND CARS BACKING UP, UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE OBVIOUSLY LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT STACKING LOCATION THERE, UM, IT'S, IT'S PROBLEMATIC.
UM, IT A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING, I THINK TOWN HOME COMMUNITY, THAT'S MY FIRST CONCERN ABOUT THE GATE.
THE SECOND ONE IS, I THINK IN REGARDS TO THE SMALL AREA PLAN FOR BROOKSIDE, IT, IT IS IN CONFLICT IN MY OPINION, ABOUT THE SMALL AREA PLAN AND WHAT, WHAT THE CITY IS ENVISIONING THERE.
UM, AND THE LANE DIET WORK WITH BROOKSIDE PARKWAY AND TRYING TO ENHANCE AS MUCH WALKABILITY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, IT, IT JUST THAT, THAT TO ME IS A HINDRANCE.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE GATED COMPONENT, I, I, I, I LOVE THE, THE PLAN ITSELF.
I WOULD, UM, I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR COMMISSIONER CHRIS ASK ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY AND WHETHER THAT WAS CONSIDERATION OR NOT.
UM, I THINK, UM, THE AMOUNT OF TOWN HOMES THAT WE SEE COMING OUTTA THE GROUND IS PRETTY ASTRONOMICAL IN OUR CITY.
AND, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS AN AREA THAT HAS SOME UNIQUE NEEDS AND OFFICE VACANCIES, AND SO THERE'S SOME CONSIDERATIONS THERE.
UM, BUT, UM, I'M ALSO, UH, I LIVE IN A TOWN HOME AND MY GARAGE IS 18 FEET WIDE, AND I KNOW WHAT THAT IS LIKE, UM, BEING IN THAT KIND OF AN ENVIRONMENT, AND I APPRECIATE THE DESIRE TO HAVE DIFFERENT PRODUCT OFFERINGS THERE, BUT WE COULD ALSO HAVE 20 FOOT AND 22 FEET AND 24 FEET PRODUCT OFFERINGS THERE.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THAT'S NOT ACHIEVABLE WITHOUT AN 18 FOOT TOWN HOME.
AND I THINK WITH THE AMOUNT OF TOWN HOMES AND THE AMOUNT OF VARIANCES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN IN THE PAST, UM, I, I'M, I'M CHALLENGED WITH THINKING THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITY AND THAT THAT PRODUCT IN 20, 30 YEARS WILL BE OF THE SAME CALIBER AS OTHER TOWNHOMES THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOT SO CONSTRAINED.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
I THINK OVERALL, I LOVE, I LOVE THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE.
I THINK THE COMMUNITY SPACE IS, IS TERRIFIC.
AND I THINK, UM, THE, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE IS COMMITMENT FOR AN OFFSITE TRAIL OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA CONSIDER, UM, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE CERTAINLY AN ADDED BENEFIT.
YOU COVERED A LOT OF GROUND CHAIRMAN
UM, FIRST OFF, UH, I WANNA THANK THE PROVIDENCE GROUP FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA OVER
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THE YEARS.AND IT'S A TRUSTED PRODUCT AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AT THE SAME POINT, UH, I LOVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THAT'S REALLY NICE.
HOWEVER, UH, SINCE 86% OF THE CURRENT OCCUPANTS DO NOT OCCUPY IT, I REALLY DON'T SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT TRAFFIC ON OLD MILTON PARKWAY.
AND THAT IS A SWORD THAT I WILL CONTINUE TO SWING SINCE I LIVE OFF OF OLD MILTON PARKWAY.
AND THAT RESOLUTION, MR. TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS NEVER BEEN RESOLVED.
UM, THIS PROJECT IS VERY DEAR ENCLOSED TO MY HEART AND PROBABLY CLOSER TO ANYONE ON UP HERE SINCE YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE LITERALLY MY NEIGHBOR.
UH, I LIVE IN PARK BROOK AND OUR COMMUNITY BACKS DIRECTLY UP THE BROOKSIDE.
UM, AND SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE THE PROJECT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURAL THING, I, I GET BOTH SIDES.
HOWEVER, UH, I'M GONNA GO WITH, UM, WHAT SO FAR, UH, THE PROVIDENCE GROUP HAS DONE IN OUR CITY.
I, WE DO WHAT THEY, UH, CURRENTLY HAVE AND HAVE DONE IN THE CITY.
AND SO I TRUST, UH, IF THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA SELL PRODUCT, THAT'S GONNA SELL PRODUCT.
AND THE BIGGEST THING IS FOR US TO REDEVELOP THAT AREA.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A VERY, VERY GOOD OPTION.
UM, AND SO, UH, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UH, THING I, THE GATE THING.
I, I HAVE, UH, I I DON'T LIKE IT, UH, I DON'T LIKE IT AS A VISITOR, UM, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE CODE, CAN'T GET IN, AND THEN YOU GOTTA CALL SOMEONE, YOU GOTTA GET IN.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S, IF THAT'S A HINDRANCE TO ONE OF OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY VEHICLES, UM, ESPECIALLY, UH, OUR, OUR AMBULANCE SERVICE, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
AND YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S NOT, YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S ALWAYS GONNA WORK.
AND SO AT THE SAME POINT, IT'S NOT A SWORD I'M GOING TO DIE ON.
THAT IS SOMETHING COUNSEL CAN DETERMINE MORE.
UM, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF.
SO, UM, I'LL SHARE MY THOUGHTS.
UM, I, UH, VISITED THE PROPERTY TODAY AND STOOD IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT 597 SPACE SEA OF PARKING SPACES, LOOKED AT THE BIG FIVE STORY BUILDING.
UH, THERE WERE LIKE SIX CARS IN THE PARKING LOT AND MINE WAS ONE OF THEM.
SO, UH, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO CONVERT LEGACY VACANT OFFICE SPACE TO RESIDENTIAL, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
UM, I ALSO LIKE HOW IT'S CONSISTENT AND IT'S A PRIORITY, ACTUALLY 24 COMP PLAN.
UH, AND THEN SIMILAR TO WHAT COMMISSIONER AIKEN SAID, I KIND OF TRUST, I LIKED WHAT MR. JOLLY SAID ABOUT THE RATIONALE FOR THE 18 FOOT WIDE UNITS AND WHY THEY'RE DOING THAT.
AND WE WANT THAT LOOK AND FEEL.
WE DON'T WANT A MILITARY BARRACK LOOKING STYLE WHERE ALL THE FRONTS COME OUT THE SAME AND THEY'RE ALL THE SAME SIZE AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING ON THE GATE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE GATE BECAUSE I THINK IF, IF WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT, IF IT WAS TRULY MIXED USE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AND BARS, LIKE I WANTED TO GO OVER THERE AND EAT DINNER AT A RESTAURANT OR SHOP AT A RETAIL STORE, THE GATE WOULD GET, OBVIOUSLY GET IN THE WAY OF THAT.
BUT ALL THERE IS INSIDE THAT GATE ARE OWNER OCCUPIED TOWN HOMES.
SO I KIND OF, I LIVE IN ROSE DOWNTOWN.
I KIND OF WISH MINE WAS GATE, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, TOPIC.
SO I'M GONNA BE IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS TO APPROVE.
UM, I, I, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS BUILDING AS WELL.
UH, I LEASE OFFICE SPACE FOR MY JOB.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUILDING AND IT IS VERY, VERY EMPTY AND IN NEED OF, UH, PURPOSING.
SO VERY EXCITED FOR YOUR REPOSITIONING, VERY EXCITED FOR IT.
AND THEN THE FUTURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE.
UM, I, I DID VOICE MY CONCERN A LITTLE BIT EARLIER OF MULTIP PURPOSING THIS MORE THAN JUST TOWN, HOME AFTER TOWN, HOME AFTER TOWN HOME.
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS.
AND TO MAKE THIS INTERESTING, I DO THINK THERE COULD BE SOME SINGLE FAMILIES OR DETACHED MIXED IN WITH TOWN HOMES.
I MEAN, CANDIDLY, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF TOWN HOMES AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE ANOTHER OPTION FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUYER AS WELL.
UM, BUT GENERALLY AS WELL AS THE GATE, I'M INDIFFERENT.
IT'S NOT A, SOMETHING THAT I HAVE A DECISION ON.
I DO THINK WE NEED, NEED TO INCLUDE THE HVAC UNIT SCREEN LANGUAGE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER,
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LET'S NOT FORGET THAT I SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME AT GEORGIA STATE, AT CAMPUS, UH, QUITE A FEW CLASSES OVER THERE.AND, UH, RECALL STANDING IN A, IN A BREAK BETWEEN CLASSES AND STARING AT THAT BIG PARKING LOT AND GOING, GEE, I WISH THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU KNOW, UH, IT WILL BE NICE, UH, FOR IT TO HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT LOOK AND FEEL, FEEL MORE VILLAGEY.
UM, I ALSO AM EXCITED ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF, AND I HOPE THIS COMES TO HAPPEN TO PASS THAT GEORGIA STATE WILL BE EXPANDING.
ITS, ITS, UH, CAMPUS THERE THAT WILL, I THINK, ADD TO AN OVERALL SENSE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IN TOWN UNIVERSITY MIXED USE REGARDING THE GATE GOT A REAL FEEL FOR HOW STUDENTS DRIVE AND LOOK FOR SHORTCUTS.
THE GATE WOULD ACTUALLY SERVE TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR SHORTCUTS THROUGH YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO IN THAT SENSE, I KIND OF, I I DO SUPPORT THE, UH, THE USE OF A GATE THERE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CONTRARY TO THE PHILOSOPHY, MIXED USE.
I GET THAT IT'S, IT'S AN ISLAND WITHIN AN ISLAND, SO I CAN SUPPORT THE GATE.
AND THEN IT'S TRUE, THEY, THEY BREAK A LOT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT AND SUCH A NUISANCE, EVEN WHEN THEY'RE THERE, BUT FOR SECURITY REASONS AND TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE JUST DRIVING AROUND, ADDING MORE TRAFFIC AND CREATING A POTENTIAL, UM, SECURITY THREAT OR HAZARD.
IT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON I, I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE GATE.
MR. JOLLY, IF YOU GOT A SECOND, I, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE WAY YOU DO YOUR AIR CONDITIONING UNIT.
COULD YOU TELL THEM MY, MY PEERS UP HERE ON, UH, THE COMMISSION? HOW YOU DO THAT? UH, SAY IT WHAT THE QUESTION ONE MORE TIME? I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
THE AIR CONDITION UNITS, HOW ARE THEY GONNA, HOW ARE THEY SCREENED? YEAH, THEY'RE ALL IN THE REAR OF THE DRIVEWAYS, AND THEN WE HAVE LITTLE WALLS THAT BREAK IT UP.
AND THE OTHER THING ABOUT WHEN YOU MIX UNITS LIKE THIS, I'VE SHOWN YOU A PICTURE OF THE BACK, BUT THE BACK LOOKS AS MUCH AS GOOD AS THE FRONT BECAUSE THE BACKS ARE STAGGERING.
SO YOU HAVE BIGGER AREAS TO PUT 'EM IN THAN JUST BEING STRAIGHT BACK AND THEN THEY'RE ALL SITTING THERE.
SO WHEN YOU MOVE THE FRONTS AND MAKE ALL THAT RELIEF, WE HAVE THE SAME THING GOING ON THE BACK.
AND I'M READY TO MAKE COMMISSION IF YOU HEAR HESITATION.
THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE CONDITIONS.
IT'S ALMOST, ACTUALLY, IT'S NINE 30 THAT WILL BE DONE BY NOW.
UM, BROOKSIDE WEST, SUBJECT TO STAFF'S CONDITIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER THREE, WHICH WOULD BE WITH THE DEVELOPER AS REQUESTED.
AS FAR AS NUMBER THREE, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW, WHERE, KAT, WHERE ARE YOU? HOW DO YOU WANT TO, IF I WANT TO DO THAT? I'M, I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M GOING AGAINST YOUR CONDITION, BUT THAT'S THE PORCH, THE PORCH, THE PORCH CONDITION.
I MEAN, I, I, FOR NUMBER THREE, I, I THINK IT'S FINE THE WAY HE HAS IT.
I MEAN, WHEN HE EXPLAINED THAT WE CAN WORK WITH HIM, UM, IF, IF HE'S THINKING THAT IT'S GONNA CAUSE THE REMOVAL OF THE PORCHES, THAT WASN'T THE INTENT.
SO I CAN STAY WITH NUMBER THREE.
FOR NOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'LL LET COUNSEL DEAL WITH THE GATE ISSUE.
SO JUST A QUESTION, DOES THAT MEAN YOU WANT THE GATE TO BE ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED FOR NOW? ALLOWED FOR NOW FOR THE VOTE, YES.
SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPERLY SECONDED OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? HEARING NONE NOR IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
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OPPOSED.IT'S GONNA GO BEFORE COUNCIL ON MARCH THE 23RD, AND COUNCIL ALWAYS MAKES THE FINAL DECISION.
NOW WE ARE ON THE LAST ITEM FOR TONIGHT, C-O-C-O-U-P DASH 25 DASH ZERO FIVE SLASH Z DASH 25 DASH 18 SLASH Z DASH 25 DASH 32, MCKINLEY HOMES SLASH MORRIS ROAD AND MICHAEL PRESENTING.
THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
THE LAST ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A REQUEST FOR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT REZONING AND VARIANCE TO ALLOW A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 110 FOR SALE CONDOMINIUM UNITS, 207,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, WHICH IS EXISTING ON THE PROPERTY, AND 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL RESTAURANT USE.
THIS IS ON A 15 ACRE PROPERTY, AND IT IS LOCATED IN THE WINWARD PARKWAY AND HIGHWAY NINE STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN.
I'M GOING TO REFER TO THAT AS THE WINWARD LCI FOR THIS EVENING, SO I'LL HAVE TO REPEAT THAT.
UH, THE PROPOSED DENSITY OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE 7.35 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT IS REQUESTED FROM CORPORATE OFFICE TO MIX USE, AND A REZONING IS REQUESTED FROM ONI OFFICE, INSTITUTIONAL TO MU MIXED USE.
THERE ARE, UH, THERE'S A VARIANCE REQUEST, UH, RELATED TO THE MU ZONING DISTRICT TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM COURT MARTIAL PERCENTAGE IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
I HAVE THE LOCATION MAP FOR THIS PROPERTY.
IT IS LOCATED AT 12 7 25 AND 12 7 35 MORRIS ROAD.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH TWO FOUR STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS.
THERE'S ALSO 828, APPROXIMATELY 828, UM, SURFACE PARKING SPACES.
AND THIS DEVELOPMENT IS KNOWN AS DEERFIELD POINT.
AS I MENTIONED, THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE WINWARD, LCI, THAT LCI WAS UPDATED AT 2024.
THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS THAT IS COMING FORWARD TO YOU SINCE THAT PLAN WAS UPDATED IN 2024.
UM, AND THAT PLAN WAS A JOINT PLAN BETWEEN THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA AND THE CITY OF MILTON, AS WELL AS THE TRUE NORTH 400 CID.
UM, AND JUST BECAUSE WE'VE NOT HAD A PROJECT, UM, UH, IN THIS WITHIN THIS LCI YET, I DID, UH, PULL A FEW EXHIBITS OUT OF THE LCI TO SHOW YOU AND JUST FAMILIARIZE, FAMILIARIZE YOU WITH THAT.
THE PLAN ENVISIONS THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY AS PART OF A TOWN CENTER, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT TALKS ABOUT REPURPOSING, REPOSITIONING, AND REBUILDING THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENT.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT, UH, IT, THE PLAN TALKS ABOUT CONSTRUCTING HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING, UM, AND INTEGRATING THAT INTO EXISTING AND FUTURE USES OF PROPERTIES SUCH AS PUBLIC PARKS, RETAIL TRAILS.
AND THAT IS VIEWED AS THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO ATTRACT NEW RESIDENTS, UH, TO THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
SO THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY SITS APPROXIMATELY HERE ON THE PLAN.
UM, MORRIS ROAD IS THE CUTOFF BETWEEN THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA.
NORTH SIDE IS CITY OF MILTON, AND THIS CONNECTION RIGHT HERE IS A CONNECTION THAT IS, UM, DEPICTED GOING THROUGH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE SHOPPING CENTER.
THAT CONNECTION WOULD BE, WOULD PROVIDE VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.
IT WOULD PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN SCALED REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER TO THE SOUTH, UM, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO A, A GREATER RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT IS ENVISIONED ON THIS PROPERTY, AS WELL AS IN THE DEERFIELD AREA IN THE CITY OF MILTON.
ALSO, THE DEER CITY OF MELTON HAS A FUTURE DEERFIELD LAKE LOOP, WHICH IS DEPICTED HERE,
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AND THAT'S A ONE MILE RECREATIONAL LOOP, UH, AROUND THE EXISTING LAKE, UH, THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE VERIZON CAMPUS.THERE'S ALSO TRAILHEAD THAT IS DEPICTED ON THAT APPLICANT'S, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO THAT DEERFIELD LAKE LOOP WITH THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT IS PROPOSED.
UH, WITHIN THE WINDWARD LCI, THERE WERE TRAIL AMENITIES, AND THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU A FLAVOR OF WHAT THOSE COULD LOOK LIKE.
SOME OF THIS WAS ALSO CLIPPED AND PUT, PUT INTO THE, UH, STAFF REPORT, BEING THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS GOING THROUGH THAT AREA.
UM, ALSO ON THE LCI IDENTIFIES ON THE CITY OF MILTON SIDE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, IS PROPOSED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MORRIS ROAD, AND THERE IS A SEVEN ACRE PROPERTY CURRENTLY PART OF THE VERIZON CAMPUS, I'M SORRY, EIGHT ACRE PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET DEVELOPED PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS ENVISIONED IN THE PLAN AS BECOMING A, UM, PUBLIC, UH, PARK AMENITY AND EVENT FACILITY, UH, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LAKE.
AND THIS IS KIND OF A DEPICTION OF WHAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE.
AGAIN, THAT IS IN THE CITY OF MILTON AND CITY MILTON HAS DEDICATED RESOURCE TO IMPLEMENTING, UH, THIS PLAN.
AND THERE'S ACTUALLY JUST, UH, UP A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH, UP NORTH ROAD, THERE WAS AN OFFICE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY APPROVED TO ADD, UM, APARTMENT UNITS WITHIN THE PARKING LOT OF THAT OFFICE, UH, SITE.
THIS IS JUST AN EXHIBIT FROM THE LCI THAT CALLS OUT.
THIS IS THE, THE PROPERTY HERE, UM, THAT CALLS THAT OUT AS A TOWN CENTER.
AS YOU CAN SEE, BOTH SIDES OF WINDWARD HERE ARE REFERRED TO AS A TOWN CENTER.
THIS IS THE CONTINUUM DEVELOPMENT, THE WINDWARD PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER, AND THEN THE APPLICANT'S OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT.
AND THIS DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, REFERS TO THESE TWO AREAS, IS TOWN CENTER.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE, AND ADDING HOUSING, UM, UH, UH, TO CREATE THE TOWN CENTER TO ADD H HOUSING AS WELL AS, UH, RETAIL AND REIMAGINED OFFICE.
SO GETTING INTO THE APPLICANT'S SITE PLAN, SO THIS IS A SURVEY OF THE SITE AS IT STANDS TODAY.
UH, THE TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS HERE, MORRIS ROAD AND OLD MORRIS ROAD.
THERE IS A LAKE FEATURE HERE THAT REPRESENTS, UM, A, UH, STORM WATER FACILITY.
AND THEN THERE'S SURFACE PARKING LOT, SO TRADITIONAL, UM, FORM OF, UH, SUBURBAN OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.
ACTUALLY, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DETAILS, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER TO THE SOUTH, UM, AND THE FUTURE CITY PARK AND THE CITY OF MILTON PROPERTY HERE.
AND HERE'S THE MORE DETAILED PLAN HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE SURFACE PARKING LOT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, A 110 UNIT CONDO BUILDING HAS BEEN PROPOSED HERE, PULLED UP TO MORRIS ROAD WITH A, AN, WITH A THREE STORY PARKING DECK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT CONDO BUILDING.
THE TWO EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS, AS YOU CAN SEE, ARE DEPICTED TO REMAIN 5,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE NORTHERN OFFICE BUILDING WOULD BE CONVERTED TO COMMERCIAL USE.
THE THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE CURB CUTS ALONG MORRIS ROAD PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE SITE.
THE WESTERNMOST CURB CUT IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY HERE.
THAT WOULD BE REMOVED OBVIOUSLY WITH THE, UH, CONDO BUILDING, UH, BEING ADDED AT THIS LOCATION.
AND THEN THE LANDSCAPE STRIP AND SIDEWALK WOULD BE FILLED IN IN THAT AREA.
CURB CUT ON OLD, UH, HORSE ROAD WOULD REMAIN AND SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO ADDED SIDEWALKS WITHIN, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT EFFECTIVELY WAS A DRIVE AISLE BEFORE WILL BE, UH, BECOME A STREET WITH THE, UM, UM, ADDING OF SIDEWALKS ALONG, UH, THIS VEHICULAR WAY HERE.
UH, THERE ARE ALSO SIDEWALKS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED INTO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE OFFICE BUILDINGS AS WELL AS TO THE COMMERCIAL HERE,
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THE MULTI-USE TRAIL, SO THE LCI TALKED ABOUT BOTH VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION THROUGH THE SITE TO THIS SITE, AS WELL AS THE SITE TO THE SOUTH, THE SITE TO THE SOUTH.THE SHOPPING CENTER DOES PROVIDE VEHICULAR ACCESS, UM, AND PENE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.
UP TO THIS POINT TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SEPARATE THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION AND BRING IT AROUND TO THE LAKESIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN UP TO MORRIS ROAD, TYPICALLY YOU WOULD SEE A CONDITION OF ZONING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK ACROSS MORSE ROAD.
HOWEVER, THE JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARY DOES END ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MORSE ROAD, SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE IMPACT FEE CREDITS FOR THAT IMPROVEMENT ACROSS MORSE ROAD.
THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT, UM, CITY OF MILTON WOULD EXTEND, UH, TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING A CONDITION THAT WOULD REQUIRE A 12 FOOT MULTI-USE TRAIL, UH, ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE CONDO BUILDING.
THE PARKING DECK, THREE LEVEL PARKING DECK HAS APPROXIMATELY 210 PARKING SPACES.
THE ACCESS IS FROM, UM, THE MAIN DRIVE AISLE RUNNING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL 612 SURFACE PARKING SPACES ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE UDC REQUIREMENTS WOULD REQUIRE A TOTAL OF 811 PARKING SPACES FOR THE POST DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT DOES INCLUDE A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A PARKING STUDY, UH, WITH THEIR APPLICATION SHOWING THAT THE THREE USES THE OFFICE, THE FOR SALE CONDOS, AND THE, UH, RETAIL RESTAURANT USE, UH, WOULD HAVE, UH, PARKING DEMANDS AT DIFFERENT, UH, TIMES OF THE DAY.
SO THE TOTAL PROVIDED PARKING ON THE SITE IS 822 SPACES.
SO THEY DO EXCEED, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, OPEN SPACE PROVIDED ON THE PLAN.
THERE'S A TOTAL OF 4.2, UH, ABOUT FOUR AND A QUARTER OF ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
ABOUT ONE AND A HALF ACRES OF THAT WOULD BE CIVIC SPACE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN ABOUT, UM, JUST UNDER THREE ACRES WOULD BE AMENITY.
UH, OPEN SPACE FOR USERS OF THIS SITE DOES COMPLY WITH EMU ZONING DISTRICT.
THE CIVIC SPACE, UM, PRIMARILY CONSISTS OF THE TRAIL CONNECTION ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CONDO BUILDING THE AMENITY SPACE, UM, INCLUDES POOL AND AMENITY AREAS, COURTYARDS, LOBBY, AMENITY AREAS, CENTRAL AMENITY AREA, WHICH IS THIS, UH, FORMER TREE SAFE AREA HERE.
THERE'S SOME CON CONDITION OF ZONING THAT THEY WOULD ADD.
UM, SOME, UM, IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THIS AREA TO AMENITIZE THAT TREE SAVE AREA, UH, YARDS, BALCONIES, LANDSCAPED AREAS, ENTRY FEATURES AND OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS ALSO COUNT TOWARD AMENITY SPACE, THE NATURAL, UH, TREE SAVE AREAS.
LEMME GO TO THE CIVIL SITE PLAN REAL QUICK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS SHOWS UP ON THE OVERHEAD VERY WELL, BUT THERE ARE SOME GREEN CLOUDED AREAS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
THOSE WOULD BE THE NATURAL TREE AREAS, UM, THAT EXIST ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THOSE AREAS WOULD LARGELY BE SAVED.
UM, THE ONLY EXCEPTION WOULD BE FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE MULTI-USE TRAIL.
UM, THERE WOULD, UH, BE SOME IMPACTS TO TREES IN THIS AREA, SO THEY WOULD WORK WITH THE CITY RS ON THAT INSTALLATION.
AND THEN THE, THE LAKE, UH, TO THE WEST IS A, UH, MASTER DETENTION POND SERVING, UH, THIS AREA.
SO THAT WOULD BE HOW THEY'RE ADDRESSING STORMWATER.
APPLICANT SUBMITTED A TRIP GENERATION REPORT AS WELL AS A TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, THE COMBINED USES WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 300 17:00 AM PEAK HOUR TRIPS, 300 23:00 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
UM, BUT BASED ON THE CURRENT USE OF THE PROPERTY IS OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL TO ADD THE, UH, 110 FOR SALE CONDO UNITS WOULD ONLY INCREASE, UH, THE PM UH, PEAK HOUR TRIPS BY 60 IN THE AM AND 82 IN THE PM.
THEY ALSO DID PROVIDE A TRAFFIC STUDY.
THEY ANALYZED SEVEN INTERSECTIONS, WHICH INCLUDED THREE OF THE PROPOSED SITE DRIVEWAYS.
THE STUDY CONCLUDED THAT NO CHANGES ARE IMPROVEMENTS OR REQUIRED TO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATIONS, UH, DUE TO THE, UH, IMPACT OF THE SITE TRAFFIC, ASIDE FROM CLOSING THE FULL ACCESS, UH, SITE DRIVEWAY ON MORRIS ROAD.
AND THEN WE DID SEND THIS REQUEST TO FULTON COUNTY SCHOOLS.
THEY ESTIMATED THAT ONE TO 32 SCHOOL
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AGED CHILDREN'S COULD BE CHILDREN, COULD BE GENERATED, UH, FOR THE 110 CONDOMINIUM UNITS.ALL THREE SCHOOLS THAT SERVE THIS AREA ARE SHOWN TO BE BELOW, UH, CAPACITY.
SHOW YOU SOME OF THE RENDERINGS THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, PREPARED.
SO THIS IS A RENDERING LOOKING AT THE CONDO BUILDING FROM OLD MELTON PARKWAY.
SO IT DOES HAVE A FEEL AND LOOK OF A SERIES OF TOWN HOMES INSTEAD OF THAT ACTUAL CONDO, UH, FLAT BUILDING.
AND THEN THIS IS JUST ANOTHER VIEW, AND THEN THIS JUST GIVES YOU A FLAVOR FOR HOW THE CONDO BUILDING LAYS OUT, AS WELL AS THE PARKING DECK AND HOW THE UNITS WOULD LAY OUT.
IT'S A MIX OF ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
OF COURSE, WE LOOKED AT THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, AMENDMENT, REZONING AND VARIANCE.
WE BELIEVE THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT WINWARD, LCI, WHICH ENVISIONS THE PROPERTY AS PART OF TOWN CENTER DEVELOPMENT.
UH, MIXED UH, USE DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH LAND USE HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES IN THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH ENCOURAGE MIXED USE PATTERNS THAT CREATE ACTIVITY NODES WITHIN EXISTING SUBURBAN OFFICE DEVELOPMENTS.
THOSE, UH, STRATEGIES ALSO, UH, TALK ABOUT, UM, DIVERSIFYING HOUSING OPTIONS AND EXPANDING, MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING CHOICES.
CONDO IS A PRODUCT THAT WE ALWAYS TRY TO GET A DEVELOPER TO, UM, BUILD.
UM, BUT WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF CONDO DEVELOPMENT, SO WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS A CHOICE THAT IS, IS NOT REALLY AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET OR VERY, UM, THERE'S NOT MUCH OF IT AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET.
UM, ALSO IN, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD ENCOURAGE INVESTMENTS IN OFFICE DISTRICTS, UH, WITH AMENITIES THAT ATTRACT HIGHLY SKILLED EMPLOYEES.
SO THOSE ARE THOSE STRATEGIES IN THE COMP PLAN THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT REINFORCES ALSO NOTED THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES.
UM, THE CITY'S, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE VARIANCES REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE CITY'S ME ZONING DISTRICT WHEN IT WAS CREATED, DID NOT CONTEMPLATE THE CURRENT PROBLEM.
UM, THE CURRENT ISSUE IN THE OFFICE MARKET IN RETROFITTING AND CONNECTING EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS TO CREATE MIXED USE ENVIRONMENTS, WHICH COULD OCCUR ON SMALLER PROPERTIES THAN THE MINIMUM 25 ACRES THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE END USED ZONING DISTRICT.
THE OTHER PART OF THEIR VARIANCE, REDUCING THAT MINIMUM COMMERCIAL PERCENTAGE, THE MU, UH, REQUIRES A MINIMUM 10%.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 1.5% HERE.
HOWEVER, THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT IS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS ALMOST 260,000 SQUARE FEET OF EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES IN THAT WINWARD PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER.
SO JUST LIKE THE GATHERING OR MORRIS PARK DEVELOPMENT AT THE CORNER OF HAYNES BRIDGE AND MORRISON PARKWAY, THAT WAS ALSO ANOTHER MIXED USE THAT REZONED TO MU THEY HAD 0% OFFICE WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY REQUESTED A VARIANCE AND WE SUPPORTED THAT VARIANCE BECAUSE OF ALL THE EXISTING OFFICE IN THE NORTH WINDS, UH, AREA, AS WELL AS THE OFFICE AT LAKEVIEW PARK JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT INDICATING THAT THEY RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEY RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE CCIM ON NOVEMBER 12TH, UH, WITH CONCERNS OVER PROTECTING THE TREE CANOPY.
AND WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST SUBJECTS 28 CONDITIONS CONDITION.
ONE IS THE SITE PLAN SPECIFIC CONDITION REZONING THE PROPERTY TO END MU AND TYING IT TO THE 11 5 25, UH, SITE PLAN CONDITION.
TWO, THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION SHALL BE MIXED USE CONDITION THREE IS THE MAX DENSITY.
FOUR IS THE ARCHITECTURE IN MATERIALS, AND THAT WOULD BE A D FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB CONDITION.
UH, IDENTIFIES THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, UM, THE 110 FOR SALE CONDOMINIUMS LIMITING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING TO NO MORE THAN THREE STORIES LIMITING THE NUMBER, UM, UH, THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS TO AT LEAST 30% OF THE UNITS AND NO MORE THAN 10% OF THE UNITS BEING RENTED AS STATED IN THE CONDOMINIUM DOCUMENTS.
UM, FIVE B ADDRESSES RETAIL, UH, RESTAURANT MAXIMUM 5,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE OFFICE BUILDING REQUIRING OUTDOOR SEATING AND NO DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS.
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AND THEN FIVE C ADDRESSES THE, UH, REMAINING, UM, OFFICE DEVELOPMENT JUST BASICALLY, UM, DOCUMENTING THE EXISTING OFFICE AS IT STANDS TODAY.CONDITION SIX ARE THE USES LIST THAT ARE LISTED, UM, THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN CONDITION.
SEVEN, UM, TIE, UH, RE LIMITS THE RETAIL USES THAT COULD BE, UM, PROVIDED IN THAT 5,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE OFFICE BUILDING.
SO THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT THOSE USES WOULD SUPPORT THE OFFICE USERS OF THE SITE AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE RESIDING ON THE PROPERTY CONDITION.
EIGHT INTERNAL DRIVE AISLE SHALL BE PRIVATE CONDITION NINE SIDEWALK ALONG EAST SIDE OF OF CONDOMINIUM BUILDING SHALL CONNECT TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK ALONG MORRIS ROAD 10 MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACKS AND LANDSCAPE STRIPS SHALL BE 10 FEET ON THE SIDE AND REAR PROPERTY LINES.
11 DEVELOPERS SHALL SAVE TREES AS DEPICTED ON THE APPLICANT'S UH, SITE PLAN.
UM, THERE IS A NO, UH, SECOND SENTENCE THERE THAT DEALS IN REFERENCES TREE 2195.
THAT IS THE TREE IN THAT TREE SAVE AREA IN THAT CENTRAL TREE SAVE AREA.
THAT GOES BACK TO WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPMENT.
AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT, UH, TREE IS PROTECTED.
CONDITION 12 ADDRESSES THE OPEN SPACE AND TIES THAT TO THE SITE PLAN CONDITION 13 REQUIRES THAT IF ANY UPDATES ARE NEEDED TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AT THE TIME OF THE LDP, THAT THOSE, UH, BE ACCOMMODATED BASED ON CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND STAFF.
CONDITION 14 UM, REQUIRES THAT THE CONDOMINIUM BUILDING SHALL ADDRESS MORRIS ROAD, UH, WITH GROUND FLOOR UNITS HAVING WALKOUTS, UM, AND, UH, DEFINED FRONT YARDS.
CONDITION 15 REQUIRES, UH, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
16 DETENTION FACILITIES SHALL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, EXCEPT FOR AS A DECORATIVE WATER FEATURE IS APPROVED BY STAFF ALSO.
UM, SECOND SENTENCE TALKS ABOUT ADDING A POND ATOR, UH, TO THE, UH, LAKE SLASH DETENTION POND.
17 REQUIRES THAT THE DEVELOPER PROVIDE TWO ORIGINAL FOCAL POINT FEATURES, UH, LOCATED AT PROMINENT LOCATIONS WITHIN ANY DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT WOULD BE FINAL APPROVAL BY THE CITY'S CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION.
AND THEN WE HAVE SOME TIMING ON WHEN THOSE WOULD BE INSTALLED.
18 QUARTER OF MORRIS ROAD AND OLD MORRIS ROAD SHALL BE DESIGNED WITH A MINIMUM 5,000 SQUARE FOOT OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND THERE ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS FOR THAT AREA WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB.
SAME THING AT THE PROJECT ENTRANCES OFF OF MORRIS ROAD AND OLD MORRIS ROAD.
A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF, UH, OPEN SPACE WITH IMPROVEMENTS IN THOSE AREAS.
UH, THE PROPERTY ALREADY HAS A FAIRLY NICE, UM, LOOK TO IT AS IT STANDS TODAY WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND MEANDERING SIDEWALKS THAT WERE INSTALLED WITH THE INITIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, 20 DEVELOPERS SHALL REMOVE WESTERNMOST EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON MORRIS ROAD AND SHALL EXTEND THE SIDEWALK TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK.
SAME THING WITH THE LANDSCAPE STRIP THAT WOULD BE EXTENDED IN THAT AREA.
21, PROVIDE DETAILED STREET PLANNING FOR MORRIS ROAD AND OLD MORRIS ROAD.
LANDSCAPE PLAN SHALL BE APPROVED BY DRB 22, ADDRESSES THE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE 12 FOOT MULTI-USE TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CONDO BUILDING.
AGAIN, THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT IDENTIFIED IN THE WINDWARD LCI.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT CONDITION MATCHES UP WITH THE MULTI-USE TRAIL, UH, CONDITIONS THAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD ASSOCIATE WITH THE ALPHA LOOP.
UH, THE RETAINING WALLS SHALL SAY RECEIVE ARCHITECTURAL FACADE TREATMENT OR BE HEAVILY LANDSCAPE RETAINING WALLS VISIBLE FROM DEVELOPED AREAS EXCEEDING 16 FEET IN HEIGHT SHALL BE TERRACE.
24 REQUIRES THAT THE DEVELOPER PROVIDE BICYCLE RACKS, BENCHES, TRASH RECEPTACLES, DECORATIVE CROSSWALKS, PLANTERS, KIOSKS, AND OTHER STREET FURNITURE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS BICYCLE FACILITIES.
25, 26 AND 27 28 REALLY DEAL WITH, UM, THE, WHEN THIS IS REVIEWED AT LDP OR WHEN IT GOES TO DRB THAT WE'RE DOCUMENTING SO THAT WE CAN KEEP TRACK.
UM, THIS ONE, THAT THESE ARE TYPICAL CONDITIONS THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
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UH, WE SUSPECT THAT MOST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE DONE IN ONE PHASE, UM, WHEREAS MOST OF OUR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS SOMETIMES HAVE MULTIPLE PHASES.BUT THIS IS JUST TO HELP DOCUMENT, UM, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP, UH, TRACK OF, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY WITHIN THAT 26, UH, TALKS ABOUT THE BACK OF HOUSE FUNCTIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE SCREENED, UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO THOSE.
THANK YOU, MICHAEL, FOR SUCH A COMPREHENSIVE JOB.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR YEAH, LADIES FIRST, THANK YOU.
UM, THAT SPEAKS TO THE, UH, THE TRAIL 12 FOOT CONCRETE TRAIL.
UM, TOWARDS, ON, ON, I'M ON PAGE TWO 'CAUSE IT'S A LONG CONDITION.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE LAST SENTENCE THERE.
PROPERTY OWNER SHALL ALLOW A FUTURE SECONDARY TRAIL CONNECTION AT THE SOUTH END OF THE LAKE TO THE MULTI-USE TRAIL FOR THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST.
CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE THAT FUTURE CONNECTION? YEAH, SO THAT WOULD BE, SO THERE WOULD BE SECONDARY TRAIL CONNECTION THAT WOULD CONNECT INTO THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST.
SO WHAT WE'RE JUST SAYING THERE THAT THEY WILL ALLOW FOR A CONNECTION UP TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE.
THAT WAS WHAT WAS INTENDED THERE.
AND I CAN SHOW YOU THAT ON THE DOCUMENTS FROM THE LCI AS WELL, I BELIEVE.
IT MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE, BUT THIS IS THAT GREEN CONNECTION, OR I'M SORRY, THE PED CONNECTION THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE OFFICE PROPERTY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S LIKE A, THERE'S A LITTLE GREEN CONNECTION HERE THAT REPRESENTS A SECONDARY TRAIL CONNECTION.
I MAY NOT HAVE THE BEST EXHIBIT TO, UH, SHOW, SHOW THAT, BUT THE, THE PURPOSE OF THAT SENTENCE WAS TO ALLOW FOR A FUTURE CONNECTION IF THESE PROPERTIES REDEVELOPED OR WANTED, CONNECT OVER TO THAT TRAIL.
I I WASN'T CLEAR ABOUT WHERE THAT WAS.
UM, NUMBER NINE, UM, SIDEWALK ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE CONDO BUILDING SHALL CONNECT TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK ALONG MORRIS ROAD.
UM, WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING THERE? SO THEY'RE SHOWING A, THEY ADDED IN, UH, SIDEWALKS ALONG THESE OLD DRIVE AISLES THAT ARE NOW EFFECTIVELY SERVING AS A STREET, FUNCTIONING AS A STREET.
AND SO WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IS THERE'S A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK THAT'S BEEN ADDED ALONG THE DRIVE AISLE, ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE PARKING DECK AND RUNNING ALONG THE FRONT OF THE CONDO BUILDING.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SIDEWALK CONNECTED OUT TO THE MORRIS ROAD SIDEWALK.
SO REALLY THAT, THAT REFERS TO A, A CONNECTION IN THIS VICINITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GO DIRECTLY OUT TO THE SIDEWALK OR MAYBE THEY FOLLOW THE PARKING AND BRING IT OUT AT THE ENTRANCE HERE, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SIDEWALK DIDN'T JUST TERMINATE AT THIS, AT THIS LOCATION, THAT IT CONNECTED TO THE SIDEWALK.
AND WE DON'T NEED TO IDENTIFY THE WIDTH.
IS THAT STANDARD FIVE FEET FOR THE CITY? IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING A FIVE, FIVE FOOT INTERNAL TO THE SITE.
AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE FINE WITH THAT.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING IN THE CONDITION ABOUT THE WIDTH.
IT'S DOCUMENTED ON THEIR CIVIL PLAN ON THE SITE PLAN.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO DOCUMENT IT IN THAT CONDITION THERE, I DON'T THAT THAT WOULD BE, BE ANY HARM IN DOING THAT.
THE SITE PLAN IS REALLY HARD TO READ, SO I PROBABLY MISSED IT.
I THINK THAT, JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE, THE WINDWARD PLAZA.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, UM, THE SUPPORT FOR THE REDUCTION IN THE COMMERCIAL, UM, RETAIL FOR THIS PARTICULAR MU.
UM, I USED TO LIVE OVER ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN.
I DON'T LIVE THERE ANY LONGER, SO I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH HOW THAT PLAZA IS DOING FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE.
SO, UM, HOW IS THE VACANCY RIGHT THERE? I MEAN, IS IT, I I DON'T KNOW.
I SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY LOOKED INTO THAT INFORMATION.
I'M NOT AWARE THAT THERE'S ANY KIND OF SIGNIFICANT STRUGGLE IN THE VACANCY AT THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, I'VE BEEN OVER THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES.
I DON'T RECALL SEEING, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF VACANT SPACES.
IT SEEMS, UM, EXTREMELY BUSY WHEN I'VE BEEN IN THAT AREA, BUT I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.
I THINK IS WILD WINGS STILL THERE OR WHATEVER, THAT YOU DO
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HAVE THAT.AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE LA FINN JUST IN INVESTED IN THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY RENOVATED IT COMPLETELY ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO.
SO THOSE RETAIL UNITS, UH, FOLLOWING YOUR POINT, UH, HOWEVER, I WAS JUST OVER THERE AND, UH, YOU HAVE A VACANT FORMER H AND H GREG AND ANOTHER BIG BOX.
THERE'S A COUPLE, THERE'S A BIG CHUNK OF ONE SIDE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY EMPTY.
SO I ECHO THE CONCERN ABOUT TYING, UH, THE SATISFACTION OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR COMMERCIAL FOR A MIXED USE TO A SEPARATE ENTITY THAT IF, IF CONTINUES TO HAVE LONG-TERM VACANCY, MAY CHOOSE TO REPURPOSE THEIR PROPERTY.
MICHAEL, UM, DID THEY DISCUSS THE PRICES? AND I REALIZE THERE'S ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM.
I DON'T RECALL HAVING ANY CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT I, I ASSUME THEY'RE HERE.
UH, AS WELL AS WHAT THE, UH, MONTHLY HOA IS GONNA BE.
'CAUSE I WILL JUST, I, I MEAN, IT'S A LEADING QUESTION.
IT'S AN AREA THAT I AM VERY GOOD IN.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO ASK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, GEORGE, THIS MAY BE FOR YOU.
UM, ARE, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE PRIMARY ENTRYWAY AND EXIT OUT OF THIS GOING THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER? I MEAN IT, WITH MORRIS ROAD, WE'VE SHUT DOWN.
IT'S ONLY RIGHT TURN IN, RIGHT TURN OUT.
SO WE CAN'T GO LEFT OR, UH, WEST ON MORRIS ROAD WITHOUT GOING DOWN AND DOING A U-TURN.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE, THE PRIMARY ENTRY, ENTRY AND EXIT GO THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL CENTER IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET BACK TO WHEN WE'RE PARKWAY.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING? THAT IS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED IN, IN THE ANALYSIS, YES.
AND IS THAT A, IS THAT A TRUE ROAD GOING THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL CENTER THERE, OR IS THAT JUST A DRIVEWAY THAT WE'RE CONNECTING TO AND WE'RE GOING, IT'S A ROAD I DROVE IT TO.
BUT, BUT I, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD, MY, MY CONCERN IS IT'S KIND OF A, IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT IT IS A TWO LANE ROAD.
YOU CAN MANEUVER THROUGH IT PRETTY WELL.
UM, BUT WHEN, WHEN IT COMES UP TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, AND AGAIN, I CAN'T SEE IT ON THE SITE PLAN IT, THAT THE, THE ROAD IT'S CONNECTED TO SHRINKS DOWN IN, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WIDE IT IS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS BECOMING A, A MORE NARROW ROAD.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT SURFACE PARKING ALONG THE, UH, RIGHT SIDE OF IT THERE.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE, THERE'LL BE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING UP THROUGH THERE.
AND IT, AND WE'VE GOT SIDEWALKS THERE.
DO WE HAVE A CROSSWALK ACROSS THERE? THERE'S NOT A, A CROSSWALK DEPICTED, UM, AT THIS LOCATION, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE, THERE IS A CROSSWALK DEPICTED IN THE BEND FURTHER NORTH, IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE EXISTING OFFICE, RIGHT.
TO CROSS INTO THE, THE MULTIFAMILY.
SO, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MULTI-USE TRAIL THAT WE'VE GOT BEHIND THE MUL THE, UH, CONDO BUILDING, AND IT, AND IT COMES OUT, IT KIND OF DEAD ENDS RIGHT INTO WHERE THAT WIDE ROAD KIND OF THEN REDUCES DOWN.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'VE, AND THEN WE'VE GOT SERVICE PARKING THERE AND WE'VE GOT, I THINK IT'S 24 FEET WIDE.
UM, IT FEELS TO ME LIKE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE IN, IN A VERY CONDENSED LOCATION.
SO, UM, WE CAN TALK WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
IT'S HARD TO READ, ISN'T IT?
I THINK, I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THOSE QUESTIONS MM-HMM
REGARDING THEIR SURVEYS AND HOW THEY HAVE DESIGNED AND INCORPORATED THEIR ACCESS INTO THE EXISTING CONFIGURATIONS.
AND WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE THE QUESTIONS.
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YES, THAT, ARE YOU GUYS ABLE TO SEE THE, SEE THE SCREEN? YES.UH, KENNETH WOOD THREE 50 RESEARCH COURT AT PEACHTREE CORNERS, GEORGIA.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR LETTING US SPEAK TONIGHT.
I'LL TRY TO BE ABLE TO ELABORATE ON EVERYTHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WHY, WHY ARE WE IN HERE, UH, PROPOSING THIS, UH, A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, METHODS ABOUT, UM, UH, KIND OF THE APPROACH AND WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND IT, UH, TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT TONIGHT AS WELL AS WE LOOK AT IT.
UH, COMING IN, UH, WITH ME TONIGHT IS, UH, HENRY MASSEY WITH MCKINLEY.
UH, MCKINLEY DOES, UH, SORRY, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT STOP LIKE THAT, SO I GOTTA PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.
UM, MCKINLEY HOMES DOES ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS, BASICALLY ALL AROUND, UH, RIGHT NOW, PEACHTREE CORNERS, UH, JOHN'S CREEK, AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW DEVELOPMENTS KIND OF ALL OVER THE AREAS.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN PUSHING TOWARD ALPHARETTA A LOT.
I'VE BEEN KIND OF WAITING FOR THAT.
IS THERE A, IS THERE A REASON? SORRY ABOUT THIS.
I, I HAD IT LIKE FOR THREE HOURS BACK THERE,
I THINK THAT'LL, I CAN GET IT.
AND SO MCKINLEY HOMES DOES EVERYTHING FROM CONDOS, MULTIFAMILY FOR SALE, TOWNS FOR SALE, SINGLE FAMILY FROM ATTAINABLE ALL THE WAY TO OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.
UH, THEY KIND OF DO EVERYTHING.
UH, THE OWNER GEN IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY WELL CAPITALIZED IN TERMS OF THE WAY HE DOES PROJECTS.
UM, THEIR LAST CONDO PROJECT, THEY HAVE ONE IN PEACHTREE CORNERS, THEY HAVE ONE IN MIDTOWN THAT WAS A 23 STORY TOWER.
UM, AND SO KIND OF ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, AND LIKE I SAID, I, YOU KNOW, IN TAKING ON, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT CASES, I TRY NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING COMING IN THE CITY THAT HAS VARIANCES, THAT HAS LAND USE AMENDMENTS.
UM, BUT I DO THINK IF THE, THE LCI STUDIES WERE DONE.
NOW, THE WAY THAT IT LOOKS AT THIS AREA, WHICH I DO THINK IS RIGHT AS A TOWN CENTER, I THINK THAT THE LAND USE WOULD BE A MIXED USE.
AND AS FAR AS THE VARIANCES, I CAN KIND OF EXPLAIN WHY THOSE ARE NECESSARY AND THE WAY WE'RE APPROACHING IT AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THE SITE.
UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT HERE, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THIS HAS BECOME SO VIABLE, MCKINLEY CAME IN, PURCHASED, UH, THE TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS, UH, THEY WERE REALLY GOING IN DISTRESS.
THEY CAME IN AND PURCHASED THEM.
THEY'RE NOW PUMPING IN ABOUT $3 MILLION INTO RENOVATING THEM.
SO A LOT OF THIS IS ALREADY GOING ON.
AND, AND THEN WHAT'S HAPPENING THAT MAY NOT BE SEEN IS THE VERIZON CAMPUS IS GETTING READY TO BE, UM, GO THROUGH.
IT'S ALREADY ZONED T SIX AND MILTON IS GONNA BE A MAJOR MIXED USE.
THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS GONNA BE AN AMPHITHEATER RETAIL, UH, IT'S GONNA HAVE, UM, TOWN HOMES, UH, ALL KIND OF LIKE REC CENTER OVER HERE.
THEN YOU HAVE THE MILTON PARK AND THEY'RE GONNA CONNECT ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE SOME MIXED USE, UH, UP HERE WITH OFFICE THAT'S GONNA BE REIMAGINED AS WELL WITH SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, ITEMS. AND SO IT REALLY BRINGS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN FOREFRONT THAT THIS HAS A, A USE FOR RESIDENTIAL, UM, AND A USE FOR FOREST SALE RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT WAS THAT KIND OF THE DRIVING FACTORS AND A LOT OF IT YOU CAN'T SEE TODAY, BUT BEING ABLE TO WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO THAT KIND OF FUTURE PARK AND RETAIL IS, UH, VERY INTRIGUING AS WELL AS ALL OF THE RETAIL THAT'S THROUGH HERE.
UH, USUALLY WHEN I DRIVE THROUGH HERE, IT LOOKS REALLY FULL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GET OVER NEAR LA FITNESS IF IT STARTS, UH, TRAILING OFF, BUT A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT USES WE GO TO HERE, IT ALWAYS LOOKS VERY FULL.
AND THEN LA FITNESS IS A HUGE DRIVER FOR THE PROJECT.
AND BEING ABLE TO PUT THE TRAIL IN HERE AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS TRAIL THAT GOES UP TOUCHES MORRIS.
AND ONCE YOU'RE GOING BE ABLE TO GO ACROSS WITH WHAT'S COMING IN THE CITY OF MILTON, IT'S VERY EXCITING FOR THIS ENTIRE AREA AND THE WAY IT SETS UP, UM, FROM AN ACCESS STANDPOINT.
UH, THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, AND MAYBE THIS IS, MAKE SURE WE GET TO THIS ONE, SEE IF THIS IS A LITTLE EASIER FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE.
SO THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND SO YOU HAVE THE, THE 12 FOOT RAIL THAT'S HERE.
WE CAN, WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THE STIPULATING THAT ANY TIE IN HERE IS TOTALLY FINE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO ACCESS THE PROPERTY, IT'S VERY EASY TO COME AND GO THROUGH HERE.
UH, THIS WOULD BE A 26 FOOT WIDE ROAD, UH, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE WOULD BE FINE TAKING OUT THESE PARKING SPACES.
I JUST KIND OF ADDED SOME EXTRA HERE JUST IN CASE THERE WAS SOME EXTRA, UH, VISITOR SPOTS.
BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THIS JUST KIND OF A, A PRIMARY ROAD.
WE WERE ABLE TO JUST KIND OF FIT THIS INTO THE FABRIC OF THE EXISTING SITE.
THE, THE, THE BUILDINGS ARE REALLY NICE.
THIS HAS A BIG CENTRAL COURTYARD WITH A LARGE TREE,
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UM, AND TAKING OUT THIS ACCESS DRIVE BECAUSE THE WAY THEY'RE DOING THIS ACROSS THE STREET, IT MOSTLY IS GONNA FLOW OVER HERE TO OLD MORRIS.WE DO HAVE ACCESS OVER HERE THAT IS DIRECT ACCESS.
YOU CAN GET OVER HERE, YOU CAN GO SOUTH, YOU CAN GO NORTH, UH, EITHER WAY, UH, THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND SO BEING ABLE TO HAVE WHERE SOMEONE CAN COME DOWN, MORRIS, TAKE A RIGHT IN, OR TAKE A RIGHT OUT TO MOVE, OR THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, EXIT THE SITE TO THE SOUTH AND THEN EXIT OVER HERE.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY, WE COULD EASILY, EASILY PUNCH OUT SOMETHING ELSE IN THIS SIDE, UH, IF NEED BE.
UH, BUT WE FELT LIKE THE WAY THE CIRCULATION WORKED WITH THE WAY THE SITE'S SET UP WORKED REALLY WELL WITH THE SITE.
WITH EVERYTHING MOVING TO THE SOUTH OUT TO THE EAST, AND THEN ALSO A COUPLE INTO THE NORTH.
UM, HAVING ALL THE SIDEWALKS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN HERE, UH, WAS A REALLY BIG DEAL IN TERMS OF US BEING ABLE TO TAKE WHAT'S ALREADY REALLY NICE FOR THE SITE AND THEN JUST TRY TO ADD TO IT, MAKE IT A LOT BETTER.
UH, THIS IS A THREE STORY BUILDING.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BRING IN FOUR STORY.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REALLY GOOSE THE DENSITY.
UM, IT'S 110 CONDO UNITS AT THREE STORIES.
SO THEY DO LOOK LIKE MORE LIKE A TOWN HOME FACADE, AND WE REALLY WANT IT TO SET ON THE LAKE.
AND SO, UM, I, I HAVE, UM, A SONG SON HERE WITH ME.
UM, AND SO THE BUILDING, IF YOU JUST WALK RIGHT OUTSIDE THE APARTMENT ON THE RIGHT AND THE WAY THOSE EXIT OUT TO THE SIDEWALK, THAT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN OUT TOWARD MORRIS AS WELL AS OUT TO THE 12 FOOT TRAIL, UH, AS WELL AS THE DESIGN OF THE PARKING DECK.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, THE GUY THAT WAS, UH, DOING THAT.
SO WE TOOK A LOT OF THE, THE FLAVOR FROM WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE KIND OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UH, FOR SOME OF THE DESIGN.
AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH THE SITE, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO KIND OF LOOK AT FOR THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT HAVING, THIS IS KIND OF A, I I HAVE AN OFFICE OVER IN, UH, ONE OF OUR SATELLITES IN THE BATTERY.
AND AT THE BOTTOM OF IT, WE PUT, THEY PUT IN BASICALLY LIKE A, A SANDWICH SHOP AND ANOTHER LITTLE SUNDRIES IN THE BOTTOM OF THE OFFICE.
AND WITH THIS HAVING 207,000 SQUARE FEET AND THEN THE SQUARE FEET OF THE RESIDENTIAL TRYING TO GET UP TO HOW MUCH RETAIL IT TAKES AT 10%, IT JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW THAT WITH ALL THE OTHER RETAIL AROUND THIS, THAT IT, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO TRY TO FIT IN THAT MUCH MORE RETAIL.
SO THAT WAS WHY WE ASKED FOR THIS VARIANCE.
IT FELT LIKE THIS WAS THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT.
THE OFFICES, THEY'VE GOTTEN 'EM UP TO CLOSE TO 60% NOW AND, AND CLIMBING.
UH, AND SO IT'S A, A REALLY BIG REPOSITIONING.
AND THEY, THE OFFICES ARE SOMETHING IN THEIR PORTFOLIO THEY WANT.
AND SO THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.
YOU'RE SEEING SO MUCH BEING TORN DOWN.
THIS IS TRYING TO ADD VALUE AND, AND TAKE A SEA OF PARKING.
IT IS A SEA OF PARKING WHEN YOU GO OUT HERE AND REALLY TRY TO ADD SOMETHING TO IT.
UH, BUT OUR MIX IS, IT'S, IT'S VERY HEAVY OFFICE.
WE'RE ALMOST 64% OFFICE WITH THE 35% RESI AND THEN THE, THE SMALLER PERCENT, UM, RETAIL.
BUT WE DO THINK THAT RETAIL, UM, WILL BE GREAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FOR THE OFFICE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THEY CAN GO JUST DIRECTLY SOUTH OR NORTH INTO THOSE DEVELOPMENTS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, SEE THIS, WE'RE COMPLIANT ON THE OPEN SPACE.
I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THAT AT FIRST BECAUSE ANYTIME YOU'RE TAKING SOMETHING EXISTING, UH, AND YOU KNOW, AND BRINGING IT FORWARD AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH IT, THAT CAN BE TOUGH.
BUT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LAKE AND EVEN, UH, DRESS THIS UP EVEN MORE.
WE DO HAVE A STIPULATION, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID AT KIMBALL AND NORTH POINT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS A VERY NICE CORNER HERE.
UH, SO THAT THAT CAN BE, UH, A STIPULATION TO ALSO ENHANCE, UH, FURTHER, UH, THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THAT AS WELL.
UM, EVEN WITH ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE STILL HAVE A, A REALLY LARGE AMOUNT OF PARKING, UH, THAT WE HAVE FOR THE OFFICE.
AND IT'S VERY EASY TO ACCESS THESE OFFICES IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO WHETHER YOU'RE COMING TO THE FRONT OR YOUR EMPLOYEE COMING TO THE BACK, THE CIRCULATION WORKS REALLY WELL THE WAY IT IS TODAY.
AND, AND SO THE WAY SONG TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, LAY THIS BUILDING IN AND DESIGN A BUILDING TO MEET THE SITE, ENGAGE THE LAKE, BUT ALSO ENGAGED, YOU KNOW, FITTING IN.
SO YOU'RE BASICALLY ENCLOSING THIS KIND OF SQUARE.
SO IT'LL FEEL VERY NICE WITH THIS HUGE OAK TREE KINDA IN THE CENTER HERE, UH, THE WAY THAT KIND OF SITS UP, UM, AND, AND FEELS FOR THAT.
AND SO OUR MIXTURE, WE, WE HAVE 30% ONE BEDROOMS. THE REST ARE TWO BEDROOMS. WE DO HAVE AMPLE PARKING FOR THAT, INCLUDING SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR OVERFLOW, UM, PRICE POINTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY HIT THAT FOUR NUMBER.
UM, I'VE TALKED, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT AT OBTAINABILITY, AND I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF TIMES ON SOME OF THE TOWN HOMES THAT WE DO IN THE CITY THAT'S LIKE A SIX OR SEVEN AND WE CALL IT ATTAINABLE.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO START IN THE FOURS AND TO MOVE UP INTO THE FIVES AND, AND HOPEFULLY NOT KEEP IT IN GOING ANY HIGHER THAN THAT.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA FOR THIS.
IT IS A, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT.
UM, I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT 'CAUSE I DON'T GET TO WORK ON A TON OF THEM.
UH, BUT THIS ISN'T A REALLY COOL PLACE AND WHAT MILTON'S DOING IS REALLY GONNA HELP DRIVE AREA AS WELL.
AND SO THE COMBINATION OF TWO GREAT
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CITIES IN THIS AREA I THINK IS GONNA BE PRETTY, PRETTY STELLAR WITH EVERYTHING I KNOW, UH, THAT IS GOING ON.UH, FOR THIS, THIS PART OF THE, THE AREA AS FAR AS, UM, THE HOE DUES, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW, BUT SOMEWHERE PROBABLY LIKE TWO 15 TO TWO 40 IS KIND OF, KIND OF ESTIMATE THAT IS BEING THOUGHT OF RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO END IN THAT 2000 TO 2,500, UH, A YEAR TYPE OF AREA.
UM, THAT IS KIND OF THE ESTIMATE.
WE CAN, WE CAN PROBABLY CRUNCH THE NUMBERS AND BE ABLE TO GET BACK DOWN AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS.
UM, BUT WITH THAT, UH, THIS IS ALSO THE FIRST TIME I COULD SAY THAT WE'RE AGREEABLE WITH EVERY STAFF CONDITION MM-HMM
AND SO WE DIDN'T PUSH BACK ON, ON ANY OF THE STAFF CONDITIONS AT ALL.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT, I'D LOVE YOUR SUPPORT AND ADD THERE ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE.
JUST HAVE A FEW SECONDS, UH, 10 MINUTES.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR AGREEING WITH OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
MAKES OUR JOB MUCH, MUCH EASIER.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OH YEAH.
UM, THE, I, I, LISTEN, I LIKE, I LIKE THE 400,000 PRICE RANGE.
DID YOU, DID YOU DO ANY I I WAS THE 2 15, 2 20, 2 50 A NUMBER THAT YOU'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT, GIVEN THE CURRENT CONDO MARKET IN THE METRO ATLANTA AREA FOR, I ASSUME THESE ARE GONNA BE 1200 SQUARE FEET, MAYBE A THOUSAND.
AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE GONNA BE ROUGHLY HALF BELOW WHAT THE MARKET IS.
SO WE WERE JUST, WE WERE JUST, WE DIDN'T KNOW THE EXACT ANSWER.
WE WERE JUST TRYING TO CRUNCH THE NUMBERS AS BEST AS, AS HENRY COULD LIKE REALLY QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, FULL DISCLOSURE, IT COULD BE THREE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE THREE 50.
UM, THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS, THIS ONE THAT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE INTERESTING IS BECAUSE THE OFFICE TAKES UP SO MUCH OF THE SITE AND THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR A LOT OF THE FRONTAGE, UM, THIS IS REALLY KIND OF TAKEN CARE OF, KIND OF THE POOL AND A MORE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF GROUNDS BECAUSE A 12 FOOT TRAIL WILL BE A SPLIT COST, UH, WITH THE CONDO.
AND I, I DO THINK COMPARED TO A LOT OF THE CONDOS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, ISOLATED AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF SITTING IN THEIR OWN AND TAKING CARE OF ALL THEIR ENTRANCES AND EVERYTHING, IT PROBABLY DOES HAVE SOME ABILITY TO PULL BACK SOME.
BUT SO WE'RE TRYING TO FACTOR THAT IN.
YOU MAY BE RIGHT, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, I MEAN LISTEN, I I AM ALL FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS HERE IN ALPHARETTA IS LIVE, WORK, PLAY AND STAY.
WE WOULD LIKE OUR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.
RIGHT? AND YOU KNOW, LISTEN, IF YOU PULL OFF TWO 50, THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY, BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IN CONDO MARKET, YOU'RE LOOKING AT LITTLE TO NO DOWN PAYMENT FOR MOST OF THEM, UNLESS IT'S AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY.
I LOVE THE 10%, UH, RESTRICTION ON, ON INVESTMENT PROPERTY.
BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING WITH, UH, WITHOUT THE HOA PROBABLY CLOSE TO $3,100.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY 33, 30 $400, WHICH GIVEN WHERE RENTS ARE, THAT'S NOT A BAD GIG.
IT IS A BAD GIG AND YOU START GETTING OVER $3,600 AND NOW YOU'VE GOT TO TRYING TO DO THE MATH.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING TO MAKE SIX FIGURES TO QUALIFY.
THAT WAS THE REASON WE WERE TRYING TO KIND OF
I I DEFINITELY, I'M SURE OUR COUNCIL PEOPLE ARE WATCHING TONIGHT OR WILL BE, UM, GET AN ANSWER ON THE HOA.
'CAUSE THAT'S, WE NEED PRODUCT IN THIS PRICE RANGE.
UM, I WILL SAY, UH, THAT, UH, CONDOS RIGHT NOW FROM A LENDING STANDPOINT ARE, IS, IS TOUGH.
I MEAN, UNLESS YOU'RE PUTTING 20% DOWN AND YOU CAN PULL OFF NON WARRANTABLE STUFF, BUT THE STRAIGHT UP FANNIE FREDDY STUFF, UH, I MEAN, NOT THAT YOU'LL GO FOR AN FHA, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING, UH, YOU KNOW, TO CONSIDER.
YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY, IT'LL BE CURIOUS, ACTUALLY WARREN, WE, WE KNOW WARREN REALLY WELL AND HE'S GOT THE CONDOS ON BROOK'S SIDE THAT ARE JUST DOWN, THEY'RE MORE OF LIKE A STACK, BUT I KNOW THEY'RE ABOVE KIND OF THIS, UH, WE'RE, WE ARE CURIOUS KIND OF HOW THOSE ARE GONNA START MOVING TOO, TO SEE THIS IS A BIT OF A DIFFERENT STYLE WITH THE PARKING DECK AND EVERYTHING.
BUT YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY WATCHING THAT TOO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COULD YOU PUT UP THE SITE PLAN? THE PRETTY COLOR ONE? I WANNA MAKE SURE I WE'LL DO THAT LAST ONE.
THE ONE JUST THAT THIS ONE'S PRETTY AS WELL, BUT THAT ONE I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IN THE KIND OF THE NORTH NORTHWEST CORNER.
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A CURRENT CURB CUT THAT YOU'RE TAKING AWAY TO MORRIS? YES, IT IS.YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S FIVE CURB CUTS.
SO IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WHEN I WAS THERE TODAY, WHOEVER MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS UH, UH, COMMISSIONER MITCHELL THAT YOU COME UP TO MORRIS AND TO HEAD BACK WEST ON MORRIS, YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN AND DO THE U-TURN.
AND I ACTUALLY DID THAT TODAY.
I DID THAT SAME EXACT THING AND IT'S HARD TO GO LEFT.
AND SO, AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT MY SWEET SPOT, BUT IF I COULD WAVE A WAND I'D THAT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NO MEDIAN THERE WHERE IF YOU WANTED TO COME OUT AND TURN LEFT ON MORRIS, YOU COULD.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WERE ME, BUT IT MAY BE A DUMB DUMB TELL ME.
IT'S DUMB COMING OFF THAT PARKING LOT THERE FOR THE MULTIFAMILY.
IF THERE'S ALREADY A ROAD THERE, KEEP IT THERE AND LET PEOPLE TURN LEFT ON MORRIS.
IT'S THE, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE EASIEST LEFT 'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING ACROSS FOUR LANES.
IT'S A LOT EASIER THAN GOING DOWN AND DOING THE U-TURN THAN I ALMOST GOT IN AN ACCIDENT TODAY.
SO, GEORGE, BUT I'LL YIELD, I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST A REGULAR OLD PERSON, BUT, SO TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND JUST REITERATE WHAT YOU, WHAT CONCERNS YOU HAD, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR CONCERNS.
SO MY CONCERN, I RELATE TO WHAT COMMISSIONER RICHARD FIRST BROUGHT UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US THAT HAVE LIVED IN ALPHARETTA SINCE 1990, WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN POSSIBLY DO TO STAY AWAY FROM, UM, UH, WINDWARD PARKWAY.
WE, WE DO EVERY, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
I MEAN, IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT I DID TODAY.
I ACTUALLY CAME IN OFF OF WINDWARD PARKWAY.
I DROVE DOWN THAT ROAD AND YOU GOT THE SPEED BUMPS THAT ARE VERY ANNOYING.
UM, I GUESS THAT'S PART OF THE COMMERCIAL THING.
BUT THEN WHEN I GOT IN THERE AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GET OUT, I DID EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSIONER MITCHELL SAID.
I CAME OUT I GUESS A LITTLE TOO FAR EAST, HAD TO GO DOWN TO OLD, OLD AND WELL EVEN BEFORE THAT AND DID A U-TURN TO COME BACK.
UM, BECAUSE I WAS MAKE, PRETEND I LIVE IN THE CITY CENTER, SO I WAS TRYING TO GO WEST SIDE PARKWAY AND TAKE A RIGHT ON ACADEMY.
AND SO, AND ONCE AGAIN, I WAS, DID NOT WANT TO GO BACK TO WINDWARD PARKWAY 'CAUSE I KNOW ALL ABOUT WINDWARD PARKWAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I'M SURE THERE, SO I WILL SAY, UH, ON, ON BEHALF OF THE STAFF, WE HAD RECEIVED THE SITE PLAN IN THE INITIAL PHASES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS WITH THAT CURB CUT SHOWN AS ELIMINATED.
AND THAT IS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED AS THE, AS A PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO IDENTIFY THE IMPACTS THE DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE ON THE ROADWAY SYSTEM WITH THAT PROPOSED CURB COVER MOVE.
SO, UM, MAYBE THE APPLICANT'S TEAM COULD, COULD DETAIL THE INTENTION OR THE REASONING FOR THAT.
UM, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EXISTING INTERSECTION WHERE YOU HAVE TO CROSS TWO LANES TO MAKE A LEFT IN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING MEDIUM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT UNSIGNED WITHOUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT OF THINGS, THAT ARGUMENT COULD BE DISCUSSED.
BUT AGAIN, UM, THAT DECISION TO CLOSE THE CURB CUT WAS SUBMITTED TO US INITIALLY AND IT WAS EVALUATED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
UH, IF I COULD, FOLLOWING ON THIS, UH, ISSUE OF ENTRANCES AND EXITS AND SAFETY, I GUESS I, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED OVER THIS SITE PLAN, DID NOT EVEN IMAGINE THAT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS THE ONE GOING OUT THROUGH THE, UH, WINDBROOK PLAZA PARKING LOT.
THAT SURPRISES ME BECAUSE I'M IN THERE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK.
I HONESTLY DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A ROAD.
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THE ENTRANCE TO THE, TO THE SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, SO I'M ONE, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHO MAINTAINS THAT.
IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A ROAD, IF IT HAS A NAME.
UH, IS THAT PARDON ME? IT DOES HAVE A NAME.
SO IF IT'S A CITY STREET, THEN THEY'RE MAINTAINING IT.
BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU, IT'S A MESS BECAUSE THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF CROSS TRAFFIC THAT IS DRIVING LIKE THEY'RE IN A PARKING LOT.
UM, SO THAT I THINK GIVES ME PAUSE ABOUT THAT POSITION THAT THAT'S YOUR PRIMARY IN AND OUT.
I HONESTLY THOUGHT IT WAS THE WRITE IN WRITE OUT ON MORRIS AND WHICH IS WHY I SPENT SOME TIME TALKING WITH GEORGE BEFORE THE START OF THE HEARING ABOUT WHAT IT,
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WHAT OUR FUTURE PLAN, GIVEN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN ALONG MORRIS FOR ANTICIPATING THE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE MORE SAFELY.I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS THE, AS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MILTON DEVELOPS, I THINK THAT THIS OLD MORRIS CONNECTION IS GONNA BE BECOME VERY MUCH MORE PRIMARY.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE A CONNECTION OUT HERE.
UH, THIS IS, THIS IS STILL A PRIMARY CONNECTION.
YOU CAN COME DOWN, YOU CAN TURN AROUND IN IT.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE SUPER FAR BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO SEE AROUND THIS CURVE.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S TWO LANES AND A THIRD LANE THAT IS TURNING LEFT WITH YOU A LOT GOING ON THERE.
AND SO IT IS A, IT IS PRETTY, IT IS PRETTY HAIRY DOING THAT.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DEVELOPMENT, BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE SOUTH ACCESS AS WELL AND OUT TO OLD MORRIS AND THEN THE TWO UP HERE, SO THAT IF, IF YOU JUST HAD TO GO THAT WAY, UM, YOU KNOW, AT ALL TIMES TO GET BACK LEFT, THEN YOU COULD, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO THIS WAY, YOU CAN MAKE A RIGHT AND IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO GET BACK THAT WAY ACTUALLY.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE WAY WE, WE HAD KIND OF LOOKED AT IT, UH, FOR THE GREEN SPACE.
I MEAN, WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, BRING KIND OF A SLIDING A ROAD IN HERE.
UM, MAYBE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A AN OUT ONLY OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN IT COULD EASILY BE A TWO-WAY.
UM, BUT THAT WAS JUST THE WAY WE, WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT SAFER IN APPROACHING IT THIS WAY.
UM, AFTER WE HAD KIND OF ANALYZED IT AND ASKED A AND R TO ANALYZE IT IN OUR FULL TRAFFIC STUDY.
I THINK THE WAY YOU RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS STAYING THE PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET IS STAYING IN PLACE AND THEY'LL BE USING THAT DRIVE CUT LEFT OR RIGHT IS GONNA BE GONE SOON.
LIKE ONCE THE MA THAT THE, THE MASTER PLAN MILTON'S DOING RIGHT NOW, THAT'S, UH, VERIZON IS SELLING THAT WHOLE CAMPUS.
AND SO IT'S ALL CHANGING AND THAT'S DRIVING SOME, DO YOU THINK A MEDIAN WILL GO IN WHERE IT'S OPEN SPACE NOW? UM, I DO THINK, I MEAN WHEN I'VE, I'VE SEEN A PLAN FOR IT AND THE, THE MASTER ENTRANCE TO THE, UM, LIKE THE, WHAT THEY'RE CALLING LIKE THE UM, KIND OF ASSEMBLY AREA, THE RETAIL, EVERYTHING IS AT OLD MORRIS.
AND SO THIS OTHER ONE IS MORE SECONDARY.
SO IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES, THEY WOULD WANT US TO RESTRICT THAT BECAUSE OF THOSE ISSUES CROSSING FOUR LANES.
THOSE, AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH IT.
THERE'S ONLY A STOP SIGN AT OLD MORRIS AND MORRIS NOW THERE'S NO TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
BUT I DO BELIEVE IN THE FUTURE THAT POTENTIALLY WILL CHANGE WITH WHAT'S COMING.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE WAY VERIZON CAMPUS IS SET UP, IT'S ONLY SERVICING ONE SMALL AREA.
BUT ONCE THAT BECOMES A MAIN DRIVER AND THEY'RE GONNA CROSS THE CREEK AND GO TO A, A, LIKE A COMMUNITY BUILDING THAT WILL THEN CROSS CROSS DEERFIELD TO UH, THE PARK THAT'S ON THE ARC.
UM, SO THERE'S JUST, I JUST, I I'VE SEEN THE PLANS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ALL, YOU KNOW, SUPPOSED TO BRING THEM OUT AND TALK TO 'EM, BUT I'VE, I'VE SEEN THE PLANS AND, AND SO I KNOW WHAT'S COMING.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF HOW WE HAD SET IT UP BASED ON SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK.
DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TOPIC BUT, UM, CONNECTIVITY TO YOUR TRIP.
THE, JUST THE MAKING IT AN AMENITY FOR CONDOS, THE OFFICE ACTIVATING IT.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE PROTECTING I GUESS THE TREES WOODLANDS, I, I SAW AS ONE OF THE NOTES.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'RE ACTIVATING WITH OR HOW YOU'RE TIED IN TO MAKE THAT PART OF YOUR REVITALIZATION OF THE OFFICE PARK? RIGHT.
SO WHAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ACTIVATING THE LAKE AND THEN HAVING ALL THE UNITS, THEY COME OUT EVERY GROUND FLOOR UNIT ONTO THAT TRAIL.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A SPUR TRAIL.
SO IF YOU ARE IN THE RETAIL, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PATHWAY FOR YOU TO GET UP.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK, EVEN LAST MONTH WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE ALE LOOP AND DIFFERENT TRAIL CONNECTIONS.
SO WE REALLY JUST TRIED TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, THIS TRAIL AND THEN ADD ALL THESE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES SO THAT THE OFFICE AND EVERYTHING IS A LOT MORE CONNECTED.
SO THERE ARE SOME SIDEWALKS TO TIE IN THAT'S CORRECT.
ALL THIS AND THE, THE CONDITION MICHAEL WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE THIS WOULD, UH, WHERE THIS WOULD COME OUT AND GO STRAIGHT.
WE'RE DEFINITELY OKAY WITH THAT.
THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD INTEND TO DO ANYWAY, IS BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS STRAIGHT UP AND CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK.
AND THEN IS THAT TECHNICALLY A PUBLIC PATH AT THAT POINT POINT OR? YES.
PARKING WISE YOU COULD, YOU COULD HAVE SOME.
I MEAN THIS IS ALL, THIS IS ALL OPEN.
THERE'S NOTHING GATE AT ALL ABOUT THIS.
AND THEN THIS'LL BE A PUBLIC 5,000 SQUARE FOOT PLAZA OVER HERE AS WELL.
AND DO WE NEED AN, IS THERE ANY SIGNAGE THAT SAYS THAT VISITOR PARKING OR PARK PUBLIC SPACE IS WHERE GETTING OUT THERE LOSE YOU? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, SO THANK THANK YOU.
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IT COULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF, UH, THIS WHOLE AREA FROM OLD MORRIS TO MORRIS WINDWARD AND DEERFIELD WAS ALL PLANNED TOGETHER.THIS IS DONE IN ISOLATION TO FIT INTO SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE REDONE, ESPECIALLY THOSE BOX STORES WITHOUT A PARKING SPACE.
'CAUSE THE FRONT IS DOING FINE, BUT THOSE BOX DOORS ARE NOT AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF SPACE PARKING, SO THIS IS GONNA BE HIDDEN IN THE BACK.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS DO YOU HAVE PLANS TO ACTIVATE FOR THE PUBLIC? 'CAUSE TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE EYES HERE WITH THE MILTON MASTER PLAN OF B GROUP DEVELOPMENT DOING SOME STUFF WITH THE NEW PARK AND MM-HMM
UM, JUST ACTIVATING, YOU SAID YOU HAD A CORNER PARK THERE WITH THE TRAIL.
DO ANYTHING FOR VISITOR SPACE FOR THAT? PUBLIC PARKING.
SO BECAUSE OF THE OFFICE OPEN, UM, WE'RE JUST THINKING IT HAD SO MUCH EXTRA THAT WE WERE JUST THINKING THAT THAT CAN BE USED, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT ACTIVATION.
I MEAN, I, I HONESTLY THINK ON THE WEEKENDS THAT THAT MILTON PARK IS GONNA BE USED.
I MEAN ALREADY SOME, IT'S SOME OF THIS, THE RETAIL IS OVERFLOW INTO HERE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, ON THE WEEKENDS AND STUFF.
UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE FRONTAGE WHERE WE ADDRESS THAT FRONTAGE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BRINGING THAT SIDEWALK ACROSS THE, THE, THE SIDEWALK TODAY IS REALLY COOL.
IT ACTUALLY KIND OF CURVES GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THERE.
AND SO I THINK IF WE CONNECT THAT CORNER PARK, ALL THE MONEY THEY'RE PUTTING INTO THE OFFICES AND SAVE THAT KIND OF CREATING THAT SQUARE IN HERE IN THE MIDDLE, THAT, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF YOUR ACTIVATION.
AND THEN THE TRAIL, THE 12 FOOT TRAIL ALONG THE LAKE, I THINK IT'LL BE A LITTLE EYE OPENING.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK PEOPLE EVEN NOTICE IT'S A STORMWATER LAKE.
AND, AND SO I THINK THAT WAS THE IDEA IS JUST TO GET EVERYBODY TO MORRIS ROAD HAVE THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE ON MORRIS ROAD AND THEN ALSO CONNECT THE RETAIL BACK TO, IT WAS TO GOT KIND OF OUR MASTER MASTER PLAN IDEA AND THEN JUST MAKING SURE WE HAD SIDEWALKS ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND, AND ON THE FRONT OF ALL THE OFFICES AND THE BACK OF THE OFFICES.
UM, AND ACTUALLY THIS IS MORE FOR GEORGE, UM, IN MY EARLIER COMMENT, SORRY.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE SIX SPACE AND THE OPEN AMENITY SPACE.
THAT'S THE ONE I CAN BLOW UP ON MY SCREEN.
UM, IT'S THE, UM, IT'S THE, IT'S GOT THE LAKE IN THE BLUE.
UM, IT'S GOT CIVIC SPACE IN BLUE AND OPEN AMENITY IN GOLD OR YELLOW.
UM, SO MY QUESTION FOR GEORGE IS, I THINK I HEARD, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THAT DRIVE LANE COME FROM WINDWARD PLAZA GOING NORTH INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT IS WILL NEED TO BE 26 FEET WIDE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? FOR FIRE? I'M SORRY FOR FIRE BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO IT SAYS 24 ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT IT'LL BE 26.
I JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE IT 26 ON THE FIRE.
AND SO BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE JUST BEEN HAVING ABOUT ALL THE, UM, SORT OF ACTIVITY THAT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, EXPECTED WITH THIS DRIVE THROUGH NORTH, UM, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE, GEORGE, WITH KEEPING THOSE PARKING SPACES IN THAT 26 FOOT WIDE ROADWAY? UM, I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE EXPLORING ALTERNATIVES WITH THE APPLICANT OKAY.
BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL, UM, TO, TO LOOK UP SOME ALTERNATIVE SCHEMAS.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S SOMETHING I, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT WITH YOU GUYS.
MAYBE THEY'RE PARALLEL A COUPLE EITHER PARALLEL WE COULD LOOK AT.
SO IT'S MOREAL STREET FEELING.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T SEE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC, UM,
UM, SO UNLESS THERE, THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT'S, TURN THIS OVER TO THE BOARD AND YOU CAN CONTINUE ASKING QUESTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE TO, CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THE APPLICATION.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
I REALLY LIKE THE PLAN AND, UM, I'M EXCITED AS A FORMER RESIDENT OF THE WINDWARD AREA, I'M JUST, IT IT, I'M EXCITED TO SEE SOMETHING COME IN HERE AND CREATE A MORE VIBRANT ENVIRONMENT.
UM, AND THAT IT'S DOVETAILING WITH WHAT MILTON IS DOING ACROSS MORRIS ROAD, I
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THINK IS REALLY IDEAL.UM, AND I'M, I'M GRATEFUL THAT IT SUPPORTS THE, UH, LCI THAT THE CITY SPENT A LOT OF TIME DEVELOPING A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
SO I'M REALLY EXCITED FOR YOU.
I DEFINITELY THINK WHAT MIL, I THINK THIS IS THE NEXT AREA FROM WHAT I'M SEEING.
AS AN ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST SEEING IT, I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S GONNA BE COOL.
UH, PERSONALLY, UH, I SEE THIS AS A REALLY GREAT START.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE BUTTONED UP A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
I'M, I'M ACTUALLY RATHER CONCERNED ABOUT TREATING THE ACCESS THROUGH WOODWARD PLAZA AS PRIMARY, UH, BECAUSE AS I, AS I'VE SAID EARLIER, I'M IN THERE QUITE OFTEN AND I FIND GETTING OUT THROUGH THAT ROAD PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH CROSS STREET ACTIVITY THAT IS DRIVING AS IF THEY'RE IN A PARKING LOT.
THEY DON'T REALIZE IF THAT'S A TRUE STREET, THAT IT IS A STREET THAT HAVE TO TREAT IT AS SUCH.
I COULD FIND THAT AS, AS A SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION FOR RESIDENTS TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE.
UH, IT'S, I THINK IT'S GONNA END UP BEING A BIG DISSATISFIER.
UM, WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE PURSUING OTHER OPTIONS FOR GETTING IN AND OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, ALSO, UM, I I RECOGNIZE THAT UM, WHEN YOU, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE WORKING ACROSS JURISDICTIONS, ALPHARETTA AND MILTON AND THIS LCI OR OVERLAY OR WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING IT, UM, THAT YOU'RE BASICALLY STITCHING A QUILT TOGETHER SO YOU CAN'T MAKE ALL THE PARTS WORK TOGETHER AT EXACTLY THE SAME TIME IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
UH, SO, UH, I VERY MUCH HOPE THAT ALL THE PARTS COME TOGETHER THE WAY WE'RE PROPOSING THAT ALL THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MORRIS HAPPENS EXACTLY AS, AS PLANNED.
TO THAT END, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO GENERATE ARE ANTICIPATED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW OF THIS PROJECT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ACCESS THROUGH THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO LIKE WITH THE PLAN.
I LIKE THE CONVERSION OF THE SURFACE PARKING LOT TO THE FOR SALE CONDOS.
UM, I ALSO LIKE THAT PRODUCT AND THE PRICE POINT.
UH, I LIKE OUR STAFF'S COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY OF MILTON, UH, AND HOW THIS IS PART OF THE 2024 WINDWARD LCI STRATEGIC PLAN.
UH, I LIKE JUST THE LOCATION AND HOW IT'S ADJACENT TO THAT DEERFIELD LAKE LOOP AND THEN A LOT OF FOCUS ON CONNECTIVITY TO OFFICE TO GREEN SPACE BETWEEN ROADS TO PARKS.
UM, I MENTIONED THE THING ABOUT THAT CURB CUT, UM, BUT I'M GONNA LEAVE IT TO UH, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, THE APPLICANT, POTENTIALLY CITY COUNCIL.
IF SOMEBODY CAN WAVE A WAND AND I AGREE IT'S NOT SIGNALED IT IS GOING ACROSS FOUR LANES, BUT SOMETHING TELLS ME IT'S BETTER TO HAVE IT THAN NOT HAVE IT.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A REGULAR OLD PERSON'S OPINION AND I'LL LET THE EXPERTS, UH, FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.
AND A, I WILL OFFER MOTION TO APPROVE CLUP DASH 25 DASH ZERO FIVE SLASH Z DASH 25 DASH 18 SLASH V DASH 25 DASH 32 MCKINLEY HOMES SLASH MORRIS ROAD, SUBJECT TO THE 28 CONDITIONS AS REVIEWED BY, UH, MR. WOODMAN.
I'LL SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPER SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? HEARING NONE OR IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
GOES TO COUNSEL ON, UH, THE 23RD, MARCH 23RD.
I JUST WANNA TELL Y'ALL AND REMIND Y'ALL ABOUT THE COMP PLAN, PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT ARE COMING UP MARCH 10TH AND MARCH 17TH.
AND I REALLY NEED YOU TO, IF YOU CAN, TELL YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS AND GET THE WORD OUT.