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[1. MEETING ANNOUNCEMENTS]
MORNING EVERYONE.WELCOME TO THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA DESIGN REVIEW BOARD WORKSHOP SESSION.
TODAY IS FRIDAY, MARCH 20TH, 2026.
UM, FOR THE SESSION THIS MORNING, I'LL TURN THE, I'LL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO MR. SCHROEDER AND HE'LL WALK US THROUGH OUR APPLICATIONS THAT WE'LL BE HEARING, UM, DURING OUR PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE'LL START AT NINE O'CLOCK THIS MORNING.
FIRST THING, UM, IS, 'CAUSE ELLIE JUST REMINDED ME, WE'VE, WITH THIS NEW SYSTEM, WHEN WE LISTEN BACK TO THE TAPES, IT'S VOICES ARE VERY, VERY LOW FROM YOUR MICS UP THERE.
SO JUST WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER REMINDER.
PULL THE MIC TOWARDS YOU, SPEAK RIGHT INTO IT.
IT MIGHT SOUND REALLY LOUD OVER HERE, BUT WHEN WE HAVE TO LISTEN BACK TO IT OR WHEN FOLKS USE IT FOR AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST, THE VOLUME AND THEY'RE WORKING ON IT.
BUT CURRENTLY THERE'S NOT A SOLUTION.
UM, SO JUST REMEMBER TO TURN YOUR MICS ON WHEN YOU'RE GONNA TALK AND, AND BRING IT TO YOU AND, AND TALK.
THIS ONE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT SO YOU WON'T SEE ME SITTING RIGHT UP ON IT 'CAUSE IT'S VERY, VERY POINTED.
IN FACT, I'VE MADE THE SUGGESTION THAT WE JUST GET THESE AND PUT 'EM ALL UP THERE.
[2. WORK SESSION ITEMS]
TODAY WE'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH THREE CASES.WE'VE GOT THE FIRST ONE HERE ONE DAY IN PARIS, WHICH IS, UM, IN THE HAMILTON HOTEL ACROSS THE STREET ON MILTON AVENUE.
UM, THEY ARE GONNA DO A TWOFOLD RESTAURANT BASICALLY OVER THERE.
UH, ONE SIDE OF THEIR RESTAURANT'S GONNA BE SORT OF A MORNING CAFE, COFFEE AND BAKERY KIND OF THING.
AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE A LUNCH AND DINNER AREA.
UH, BESIDE IT'S WHERE THE ITALIAN RESTAURANT WAS IN THE HAMILTON, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
THEY WANNA DO A LITTLE BIT OF EXTERIOR CHANGES.
UM, THEY WANT TO TAKE OVER WHAT CURRENTLY IS A LANDSCAPED AREA OUT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S GOT SOME DECENT LANDSCAPING IN IT, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOTHING SPECIAL.
IT JUST SORT OF LOOKS A LITTLE OVERGROWN KIND OF OUTTA PLACE KIND OF THING.
SO THEY WANNA DO A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL AROUND THE STREET EDGE, YOU MIGHT SAY.
AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA PUT SOME PAVERS IN THERE AND DO SOME SEATING AND SOME SALES AND NICE LIGHTING AND STUFF TO GET 'EM SOME EXTRA SEATING OUT THERE.
SO WE'LL WALK THROUGH THAT ONE REAL QUICK HERE.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR OVER THERE ON MILTON AVENUE, WHERE THAT VALET, UM, PARKING IS, IT'S RIGHT HERE.
THIS, THIS SPOT RIGHT HERE IS THAT VALET.
SO THE LANDSCAPE IS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN MATTHEW, THE ARIA SALON, HIS BUILDING IS, IS RIGHT HERE.
SO IT'S BASICALLY RIGHT AT THE TWO OF 'EM.
THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY THAT GOES BACK TO, UM, UM, FULTON'S OR WHATEVER THE LITTLE BAR AND ELEVATED THING AT THE BACK OF THE HOTEL IS.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, THIS IS BASICALLY AN EXIT.
THEY WON'T REALLY BE USING IT AS ENTRANCE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TWO ENTRANCE DOORS DOWN HERE.
AND THEN THEY WANT TO DO SOME LITTLE CAFE TABLES AND THEN ADD THIS AREA IN THE LANDSCAPING, UM, TREE TO REMAIN THAT'S THERE.
THEY LIKE THE TREE, THEY WANT TO INCORPORATE IT, UM, WHICH THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT FOR, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, FOR PATIO ANYWAY.
UM, SO THEY WANT TO INCORPORATE IT IN THEIR, IN THEIR PLANS.
UM, ARE THERE ANY COUNCIL CONDITIONS ABOUT, I WAS OUT THERE YESTERDAY AND IF THEY HAVE THESE TABLES THERE, WHERE ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO WALK? I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THIS MUCH SPACE FOR, SO THERE WILL BE, UM, THERE WE'RE, WE'VE DEVELOPED THE, UH, MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT BASICALLY, UM, THAT THEY WILL MAINTAIN A FIVE FOOT PATH THROUGH HERE.
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE STRAIGHT, IT JUST HAS TO BE FIVE FEET.
THE REAL PINCH POINT IS BASICALLY RIGHT HERE AT THOSE CONCRETE STEPS AND THE, UM, TREE WELLS AROUND THIS TREE.
IT'S LIKE RIGHT AT FIVE FEET RIGHT THERE AT THAT PINCH POINT.
SO THEY MAY END UP NOT HAVING LIKE THESE CHAIRS OUT HERE, UM, AND JUST DOING THE SEATING AND, AND A LITTLE CAFE TABLE OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, ALL THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN IS FIVE FEET.
SO, LIKE, WHEN ROARING SOCIAL HAS A MILLION PEOPLE STANDING AT LINE, WHERE ARE THEY GOING? BECAUSE THEY GO ALL THE WAY DOWN.
AND THEY'RE GONNA GO THIS WAY IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL.
IT'S JUST A, I GUESS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE AND THEN PROBABLY SHOW UP 'CAUSE SOMEBODY GOT IN A FIGHT YEAH.
BUT ALWAYS THAT'S, I HAVE A BIG CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
AND I KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S NOT REALLY OUR ISSUE, BUT THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN TO HAVE ALL THAT RIGHT THERE.
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I LOVE IT.I LOVE THE LOOK OF IT AND I'M GLAD THEY'RE COMING.
BUT SOMETHING, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA WORK VERY WELL.
WHAT I, WHAT I, I MEAN I, I THINK THEY SHOULD GET RID OF THIS AREA HERE, THIS VALET, MOVE THE BALLERS OUT TO THE STREET AND JUST LEAVE THAT WHOLE THING AS AN OPEN PEDESTRIAN AREA.
BUT THAT'S NOT MY, THAT'S NOT MY CALL.
AND WITH A TENANT IN THERE THAT'S BUSY, THAT MAY DRIVE THE LANDLORD TO SAY, HEY ROARING SOCIAL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE YOUR LINE GO THIS WAY.
OR, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT KIND OF THING.
'CAUSE IF IT GOES THAT WAY, IT GOES RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DOOR.
WHICH, AND, AND ROARING SOCIAL IS PART OF THE HOTEL, NOT A SEPARATE TENANT.
THAT'S SO, SO, SO BRETT, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, HOW IS THE FIVE FEET CLEARANCE GONNA BE ENFORCED? IS THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT? YEAH.
SO YOU'LL HAVE YOUR PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH THEIR EVERY DAY, POSSIBLY EVERY DAY, SIX DAYS A WEEK.
SITTING, DRINKING COFFEE, EATING BAG, EGGS.
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A I'LL VOLUNTEER.
WE GOT YOU GOT PLENTY OF VOLUNTEERS.
UM, I I'M JUST NO, IT'LL BE A, IT'LL BE A COMPLAINT BASED THING AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK TO 'EM.
I'VE DROVE IT HOME WITH THE, THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEIR MANAGEMENT TEAM.
UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS ESPECIALLY LIKE, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS PATH.
SO REMEMBER THAT WHEN JOE WANTS TO BRING TABLES FROM OUT IN THE THING AND JOIN THEM UP HERE AGAINST THE BUILDING, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN.
AND THAT'S JUST GONNA HAVE TO BE A MANAGEMENT THING THAT MANAGEMENT AND STAFF ARE, THEIR STAFF ARE, ARE WELL AWARE AND, AND JUST TELL CUSTOMERS, NO, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN.
LIKE AT NEVER ENOUGH, WHEN I WORKED AT NEVER ENOUGH TIME, PEOPLE WERE CONSTANTLY MOVING OUR TABLE, OUR OUTDOOR TABLES.
TO WHERE THEY WANTED THEM, WHERE THEY WANT 'EM.
SO YEAH, IT'S, PEOPLE WILL MOVE THE TABLES, PEOPLE WILL MOVE THE CHAIRS.
AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST GONNA HAVE TO BE A THING WHERE IT'S A, IT IS A CONSTANT THING.
I JUST FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH TO DO WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT ANOTHER, ANOTHER ITEM ON YOUR LIST.
SO, BUT IT MAKES FOR A GREAT DOWNTOWN.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
OKAY, SO HERE'S THEIR MATERIALS.
UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE COLOR EXPERTS, HOW THAT WORKS OUT.
UM, SO IF YOU NOTICED OUT THERE, I'M NOT SURE, UM, IF YOU HAD GOTTEN BY THERE, BUT THESE AWNINGS ARE CURRENTLY THERE.
THEY ARE THE SHAPE, BUT THEY'RE BLACK.
THE REST OF THE BUILDING HAS A FULL DOMED UMBRELLA OR, UH, AWNING AND THEY'RE BLACK.
SO WHEN RICHARD AND FRANK AND I MET THE THREE OF US COLOR EXPERTS, COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHETHER THAT WAS A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING,
UM, BUT I ALSO SEE THE SYMMETRY IN LEAVING THE COLORS THE SAME.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL LET THAT ALL UP TO YOU.
BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THESE ARE A DIFFERENT COLOR THAN WHAT'S ON THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
BUT THE SHAPE IS CURRENTLY THERE.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME NIGHT PHOTOS.
UM, MR. CORCO AND MR. OWENS, IF YOU COULD PLUG YOUR EARS FOR A MINUTE, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE BRINGING IN SOME FAUX, UM, PLANT MATERIAL FOR THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THERE'S NO DIRT UP THERE, SO IT'D BE TOUGH TO GROW.
I DID TELL THEM WE DO HAVE SOME FAUX IN PLACES AROUND THE CITY AND WHAT REQUIRED WAS AN A TOUCH AND FEEL FROM YOU ALL FOR THE ACTUAL PRODUCT.
SO I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BRING AN ACTUAL PRODUCT.
I DON'T THINK THEY'LL DO WE CONDITION IT WHEN IT FADES, WHEN IT GOES BAD AND I DON'T PLUCK STUFF OFF.
I I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A BAD CONDITION THAT, THAT MAYBE IT GETS AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF.
OR, OR MAYBE IT IS JUST EVERY YEAR IT IS JUST A NEW PIECE OUT THERE.
HOLLY WILL CAN HAVE SOME COFFEE AND SAY THAT NEEDS TO GO AWAY.
UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
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THERE ARE, THERE ARE BALLARDS I BALLARDS I THINK THAT GO AT THE ANGLE TO THE STREET.BUT THAT'S NOT AN ACTUAL VALET.
IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
BUT THE HOTEL KNOWS THAT'S NOT THEIR VALET.
THE VALETS ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
ISN'T IT LIKE A, I JUST DIDN'T SEE, I DIDN'T SEE BALLERS IN THE SITE PLAN LIKE AN UBER AREA THING OR, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE SORT OF WERE TOSSING AROUND, BUT CURRENTLY IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AT ALL.
I WOULD BUNKER THAT THING IN BECAUSE IT'S, IT SITS RIGHT NEXT TO TRAFFIC.
AND, AND SO THAT COULD BE AN ADDED, SO THEY'RE GONNA PUT SOME, YOU'LL SEE SOME LIGHT POLES, THEY WANNA PUT SOME LIGHTS UP.
SO MAYBE AT LEAST ON THE CORNERS, THOSE TWO BECOME SECURE AND THEN THEY GET A CENTER ONE, UM, SHORTER BALLARD THAT, THAT SECURES THAT ANGLE AT LEAST RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH FOR NO, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT A VEHICLE, A CAR? YEAH.
ANYTIME YOU'RE, ANYTIME A AREA LIKE THAT, A DINING AREA OR WHATEVER, BORDERS ON ANYTHING IN VEHICULAR.
AND IT WAS LANDSCAPING, SO WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, CONCERN.
HUGE CONCERN BEFORE, BUT WITH, YEAH, I, I, SO I'M NOT GONNA CONDITION IT.
AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY FOR YOUR
YOU KNOW, I WENT, WHEN I WAS IN PARIS, THEY HAD, UM, WE WENT TO THIS CAFE THAT HAD, UM, IN THEIR OUTDOOR THING THIS, I MEAN THERE WERE FAUX PLANTS AND IT'S VERY PARIS LOOKING.
THE ORIGINAL, I THINK, I THINK THEY'LL BE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FAUX, I THINK IT'LL LOOK REALLY PRETTY.
UM, THE ORIGINAL ONES THAT THEY SHOWED TO KATHY AND I WAS A, BASICALLY A FULL FACADE OF FLOWERS.
THEY FIGURED OUT THEY WEREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT LIVE AND FOE TO GET GOOD QUALITY.
THAT WAS GONNA BE, I THINK OUT OF BUDGET.
SO I THINK THEY'VE SCALED IT BACK TO SOME A LITTLE MORE MINIMAL, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT OUT OF PLAY.
'CAUSE THAT IS, THE PICTURE THEY SHOWED US WAS BASICALLY A FULL FACADE OF FLOWERS BECAUSE I THINK IT IS LAKEVIEW HAS, LAKEVIEW HAS SOME THEY THE FAKE STUFF ON THEIR MONUMENT SIGN OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU SEE IT UP.
IS THERE ANY LEG VIEW? PEOPLE HERE OFTEN WE APPROVE IT.
I WAS WATCHING BA WORLD BASEBALL FAST.
YOU KNOW, THEY GOT IN THE OUTFIELD OUT THERE.
YEAH, WELL WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT, IF YOU SEE IT UP CLOSE, IT JUST LOOKS DUMB.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THE MEDITERRANEAN RESTAURANT AND THE LIBERTY BELL RIGHT PLACE.
WHAT IS THAT PLACE CALLED? WHAT IS THAT S**T CENTER CALLED? WHERE THE TRUIST IS? OH, UH, WHATEVER THAT PLACE IS.
WHATEVER WHERE THAT, THE BATTERY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BATTERY ACROSS FROM AVALON ACROSS WEST SIDE WHERE THE TRUIST IS AND THEY'VE GOT THE BELT YOU TALKING ABOUT THE LIBERTY.
LITTLE BROWN PLAZA RIGHT THERE.
WELL THAT MEDITERRANEAN, YOU KNOW THE, THE MEDITERRANEAN? YEAH, THE, THE FAE FLOWERS.
THEY'RE QUITE, THEY'RE QUITE VIVID.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS A, A A OBVIOUSLY AN AI GENERATED VIEW, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT PINCH POINTS RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TIGHT SPOT.
BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY FOR, FOR YOU GUYS.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S FOR US TO, TO WORK ON, UM, FOR THE LANDSCAPE FOLKS.
I WILL SAY THIS IS A S CELL UNDERNEATH THERE.
IT'S A HUGES CELL UNDER THERE.
ARE THEY REALLY PUTTING IN SHADE SALES? THEY WANT TO PUT IN SHADE SALES
PAT'S IN RARE FORM TODAY WITH SOME EDISON LIGHTS AND THEY'VE GOT SOME MEDICINE LIGHTS.
AND UM, JOEL IS WORKING ON EDISON LIGHTS ACROSS MILTON AVENUE AS WELL.
HE HE'LL HAVE THOSE INSTALLED IN A WEEK OR SO.
JOEL IS NOT WORKING ON WORKING
WHO DOES, JOEL, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS QUICK ON THAT ONE? AND SO THAT PINCH POINT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT FIVE FEET, IT'S FIVE FEET.
IT'S RIGHT AT FIVE FEET FROM, FROM THAT STOOP OR THAT STEP FROM THE EDGE OF THE STOOP TO THE EDGE OF THE BRICKS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S ABOUT SIX AND A HALF FEET TO THE TREE AND YOU CAN WALK ON IT.
IT'S, IT'S SOLID CLOGGED AND IT CAN BE FOR THEM TO FIGURE IT OUT AND YEAH.
WHAT IT'S, WE DON'T GET TO FIGURE OUT, BUT JUST SOME LIKE THINKING LIKE FIREMAN COMES.
ALRIGHT, NEXT THING WE HAVE IS, UM, THE PORTMAN.
UM, AND LET ME GET TO, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND RICHARD.
IS THIS THE NEW THIS IT? UM, YES, YES IT IS.
SORRY, YOU HAVE TO, YEAH, WE'VE GOT THE NEW AND THE, SO I HAVE ALL OF THE PACKET IN THERE JUST IN CASE.
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BUT WHAT THEY'RE COMING BACK WITH BASICALLY IS WE LIKED THIS END DOWN HERE, IF YOU REMEMBER RIGHT.WITH ALL THE SORT OF VARIATION.
AND THEN THIS WAS MORE UTILITARIAN.
AND SO THEY'VE STEPPED BACK THESE TWO BIGGER AREAS NOW, MADE 'EM A LITTLE BIGGER COLORED 'EM JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND SO NOW WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF BACK IN THAT 3, 3, 3 RHYTHM.
THERE WAS THREE WINDOWS BASICALLY IN THIS FIRST PART DOWN HERE FOR EACH SORT OF UNIT.
ACTUALLY THAT'S A FIVE AND A FOUR.
'CAUSE I REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS FACADE PIECE RIGHT HERE, WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL IN A MONTH OR SO, A COUPLE MONTHS MAYBE, UM, TO GET THAT WORKED OUT, UM, THROUGH A VARIANCE.
BUT I THINK THAT REALLY HELPED SEPARATE THIS BUILDING AND NOT MAKE IT ONE HUGE BUILDING.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S MUCH BETTER.
I, I THINK, I THINK THEY, I LIKE IT.
I LIKED IT BEFORE, BUT I LIKE IT, I THINK EVEN BETTER NOW THAT I DO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF STEP IN THERE.
IS THAT REALLY A SIGN THERE? ARE THEY REALLY GOING FOR THAT? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING FOR.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING BACK FOR VARIANCE FOR.
AND I THINK WE'VE GOT IT SCALED RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THAT IT'LL, IT'LL GET APPROVED.
IT'S JUST GOTTA GO TO COUNCIL FOR A VARIANCE.
A COUPLE MORE FACADES THEN SOME DETAILS.
OH, THIS WAS, UM, ERIC, MR. ROWAN HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE VENTS, IF YOU REMEMBER, UM, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE, HOW THEY WERE GONNA BE COLOR, WHAT, WHAT THAT WAS GONNA BE.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY'VE LINED THEM UP.
NOW WITH, WITH THE ARCHITECTURE, THESE WILL BE ABLE TO BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE BACKGROUND OF WHATEVER IS, UM, WHATEVER'S THERE, WHATEVER, WHATEVER PART OF THE FACADE, IT'S, IT'S ATTACHED TO.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL PAINT IT TO MATCH.
SO I THINK THAT'LL BE, I THINK THAT'LL BE GOOD.
I'M GONNA SKIP THROUGH THIS AND GET DOWN TO MAYFAIR.
MAYFAIR IS JOHN SCOTT AND HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD.
WE HAD SOME, UM, PALLET CLEANSING ARCHITECTURE FOR THOSE THAT REMEMBER THAT TERM THAT CAME UP, UM, FROM LOU OLIVER.
THESE WERE THESE TWO PICTURES THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE WHAT WERE SHOWN TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, NO MATERIAL DETAILS HERE, JUST SORT OF SCALE AND, AND THOUGHT PROCESS, BUT THIS IS WHAT CITY COUNCIL SAW.
UM, SO WE'VE WORKED THROUGH A FEW THINGS.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF IN HERE.
I'M GONNA SHOW YOU WHAT I THINK JUST CAME, UM, AFTER A MEETING WITH, UM, RICHARD WILL LOOK AT THAT AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST, UH, THAT'S GONNA HAVE THE SITE PLAN.
I BELIEVE BRETT THAT'S GONNA HAVE THE SITE PLAN.
AND THEN THIS ONE SHOULD HAVE THE OTHER STUFF THERE.
SO THIS WOULD BE DEVORE ROAD AND HAYNES BRIDGE.
WAS THIS SHOWN TO CITY COUNCIL OR, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD'VE WAS SHOWN TO CITY COUNCIL.
THE ONLY THING THAT GOT SHOWN TO CITY COUNCIL WAS THOSE TWO, TWO, LIKE, UH, WHAT DO YOU, UM, CAN I HAND SKETCHES? YEAH.
GRA UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE LIKE GRAPHIC PENCIL SCRATCH, UM, SKETCHES.
SO WHAT I SEE INITIALLY THAT'S MISSING IN THIS IS THE CHIMNEYS.
THOSE DID GET ADDED IN SOME OF THE, IF YOU LOOKED THROUGH THE PACKET, SOME OF THE OTHER DRAWINGS.
BUT IN THIS RENDERING, THE CHIMNEYS ARE, ARE MISSING.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE AN IMPORTANT, REALLY IMPORTANT PART.
UM, ARE THERE ANY COUNCIL CONDITIONS? THERE ARE SOME COUNCIL CONDITIONS.
BUT THERE WAS NOT MANY RELATED TO THE ARCHITECTURE.
IT WAS ALL SITE PLAN AND STUFF THAT'S ALREADY ALL DONE.
AND SPEAKING OF SITE PLAN, I THINK YOU HAD A ANOTHER SITE PLAN.
YOU MAY BE ABLE TO PULL UP TO JUST TO, SO I'LL SHOW YOU.
THIS IS WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO TO HELP US
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VISUALIZE BASICALLY WHERE, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WERE A LOT MORE HOMES ALONG HAYNES BRIDGE.IS THAT DEVORE AT THE TOP AND HAYES BRIDGE ON THE RIGHT? YES.
THIS WOULD BE DEVORE AND HAYNES BRIDGE.
THERE ARE, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW WHAT YEAH.
HOW THIS, HOW THIS CAME TOGETHER.
BUT THIS IS WHAT WE ASKED THEM BASICALLY FROM, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS IS, IS GIVE US WHAT ELEVATION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE SITE PLAN.
THIS IS ELEVATION A AND ELEVATION A IS RIGHT BESIDE ELEVATION B, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE DON'T, WE'RE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING THE SAME STRUCTURE SIDE BY SIDE.
AND THEN WE CAN TAILOR SOME OF THE MATERIALS AND STUFF TO, TO THAT AS WELL.
WHAT DOES ODDBALL PLAN MEAN?
I'M, I'M NOT SURE, BUT JASON JOSEPH'S HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS TODAY, SO I'M SURE HE WILL HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS.
I HEARD HE STUDIED ALL MORNING, RIGHT? NO, OVER HERE.
SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS? WE GOT SEVEN MINUTES YET, SO, UM, I'LL GO BACK TO THE PACKET.
BASICALLY, WHY CAN'T I GO BACK TO THE PACKET? SO HERE'S SOME BLACK AND WHITES AND SOME FLOOR PLANS.
I'M GONNA GO TO THE, MORE, TO THE END HERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE CHIMNEY WHEN WE, THIS IS WHEN I, WHEN WE LOOKED OVER, THE STAFF LOOKED OVER THE PACKET INITIALLY AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WAIT A MINUTE.
WE'RE WE'RE MISSING CHIMNEYS HERE FOR ONE THING.
UM, I THINK THEY'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT SIDE ELEVATIONS.
UM, I THINK THESE TWO PLANS RIGHT HERE AND, AND MAYBE THIS ONE, THESE, THESE, THESE ARE YOUR KEYS RIGHT HERE.
THESE, THESE SIDE ELEVATIONS ON THESE TWO ARE BASICALLY GONNA FACE THE INTERSECTION.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE PRETTY, UM, STRICTLY, UH, TO SEE WHAT, TO SEE WHAT THAT IS.
BUT I, BUT I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD, BUT LET'S JUST CONFIRM IT.
WELL, I THINK, UH, WE'D, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE DEVORE AND THE HE BRIDGE ELEVATION AS WELL.
BUT I'M, BUT, BUT I THINK, YEAH, WHEN YOU'RE, AS FAR AS SIDE ELEVATIONS, YES.
THESE TWO ARE, ARE KEY THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO SEE THOSE TWO SIDES FOR SURE.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
UM, WE KNOW MAYFAIR BUILDS A GOOD PRODUCT.
AND WE'RE STRICTLY LOOKING AT EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS, EXTRA ELEVATIONS AND MATERIAL.
WE DON DON'T HAVE TO DO SITE PLAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO LANDSCAPING.
COUNCIL HAS ALL OF THAT ALREADY DONE FOR YOU.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, LET'S, UH, LET'S END THE, UH, WORKSHOP SESSION.
WE'LL GET YOUR COFFEE CUPS FILLED.
WE'LL GET OUR PUBLIC HEARING STARTED IN FIVE MINUTES.
[3. CALL TO ORDER]
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PUBLIC HEARING.TODAY IS FRIDAY, MARCH 20TH, 2026.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING.
A GENTLE REMINDER, IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES ARE IN THE OFFER.
OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ROLL CALL.
AND, UM, LET'S SEE, ALMOST EVERYBODY'S HERE.
I THINK YOU'LL BE WALKING IN AND MOMENTARILY.
UM, MR. BAME AND, UH, MR. ROWAN ARE NOT HERE, BUT WE HAVE KIM MATHERLY FILLING IN AS AN ALTERNATE.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING.
AND WE HAVE A QUORUM SO WE CAN HAVE A MEETING.
UM, NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS, IF WE'LL STAND, WE'LL FACE THE FLAG AND HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR RICHEST HANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE ALL.
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DO WE HAVE[6. ITEMS FROM STAFF]
ANY ITEMS FROM STAFF THIS MORNING? ANYTHING FROM STAFF? WE JUST HAVE RECENTLY HAD OUR TWO, UH, COMP PLAN MEETING UPDATES.I THINK A COUPLE OF YOU ARE THERE FOR THOSE.
AND SO JUST BE ON THE LOOKOUT.
I'LL TRY TO KEEP YOU INFORMED OF ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THAT SO YOU CAN BE INVOLVED IN THAT.
AND FOR THE FOLKS THAT WERE COMING TO THE COMP MEETINGS ARE VERY GOOD GIFTS THAT WE'RE GIVING AWAY.
WAS THAT AN INCENTIVE TO GET PEOPLE THERE OR AN INCENTIVE? A REWARD? NO.
SO SORT OF AN INCENTIVE AFTERWARDS.
IT WAS KIND OF AN INCENTIVE TO GET 'EM, ONCE YOU'RE THERE TO GO AROUND ALL OF THE STATIONS, NOT JUST DO ONE THING AND LEAVE.
IT'S, IT'S OUR, IT'S Y'ALL CITY.
ANYTHING ELSE? I GUESS EVERYBODY SAW THE PRESS RELEASE FOR THE RELEASE FOR THE, UH, NORTH POINT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, IT'S GONNA BE ITS OFFICIAL NAME.
ENTERTAINMENT AND SPORTS DISTRICT.
BUT, UM, I, OUR MEETINGS ARE GONNA GET BUSY.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS I WOULD GUESS.
UM, TEARING THROUGH ALL THAT, UM, AGAIN, MICROPHONES, MAKE SURE IT TURNED ON OKAY.
GETTING CLOSE ENOUGH TO YOU SO THAT YOU MIGHT SOUND OVERPOWERED IN HERE, BUT YOU WON'T SOUND IT ON THE VIDEO.
SO, UM, WE STILL VOTE AND FOR THOSE THAT REMEMBER LAUREN, THE CITY CLERK, SHE JUST HAD HER BABY.
UH, TUESDAY, ABOUT SIX WEEKS EARLY, BUT EVERYBODY'S DOING GREAT, SO.
ACTUALLY IT'S RYDER NOAH, BUT DAD'S A BIG RY CUP FAN.
[7. ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS]
ANY ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS THIS MORNING? ANYTHING? I KNOW, UM, I HAD A CHANCE LAST WEEK TO WORK WITH CHRIS BAIN ON WACK WORLD.SO THAT REBUILD IS UNDERWAY AND I THINK THERE'LL BE THREE MORE DAYS OF BUILDING OUT NEXT WEEK AND IT SHOULD BE FINISHED.
SO GETTING CLOSE TO VERY NICE, VERY IMPRESSIVE.
VERY MUCH BIGGER THAN THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT WAS DONE ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO.
SO, AND IT'S BEING DONE IN TREKS, PRESSURE TREATED WOOD.
SO IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD LAST A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST ONE DID.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY BIRTHDAYS, ANNIVERSARIES OR ANYTHING?
OKAY, NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO APPROVE.
I DO WANNA THANK, UH, MR. SWING FOR FILLING FOR ME LAST WEEK OR LAST MONTH AS CHAIRMAN.
YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAD A VERY EFFICIENT, VERY WELL ORGANIZED MEETING LAST MONTH, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
SO SPEAKING OF LAST MONTH, WE NEED TO APPROVE LAST MONTH'S MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 20TH, 2026.
UM, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MINUTES? I DO HAVE ONE, ONE CORRECTION.
UM, OUR BOARD MEMBER, MR. OWENS, HIS NAME NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.
PLEASE JUST ADD, ADD THE S TO THE END FORM.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES PLEASE? UH, MR. CHAIR, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTE MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 20TH, 2026.
WE HAVE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE BY MS. PALMER, A SECOND BY MR. OWENS.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE BEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CITY OF APPARATUS DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 20TH, 2026.
ALL POSITION MOTION MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
OUR FIRST APPLICANT THIS MORNING IS ONE DAY IN PARIS.
LET ME READ THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURE FIRST.
AN INDIVIDUAL REP REQUESTING TO BE HEARD ON A MATTER RELATED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING MUST BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR.
BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION OR BOARD UPON RISING TO SPEAK, THE SPEAKER MUST IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR HERSELF AND FURNISH A HOME OR BUSINESS ADDRESS.
BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS, THE COUNCIL OR BOARD WILL ALLOW THE PROPONENTS A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION.
OPPONENTS WILL BE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
COMMENTS ARE ACCEPTED FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY PERSON SPEAKING IN FAVOR, THEN FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION UPON CONCLUSION OF ANY OPPOSING
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COMMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS.THE CHAIR WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO OFFER REBUTTAL IF ANY TIME IS REMAINING IN THE ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES.
AND THE CHAIR ALWAYS HAS THE ABILITY TO EXTEND THE TIME.
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ALRIGHT, LET'S GET ON ONE DAY IN PARIS.
SO YOU'LL INTRODUCE YOURSELVES, NAME, ADDRESS, AND THEN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET THIS MORNING, PLEASE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING US THE TIME AND THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY.
SO, UH, MY, MY, I START MY NAME JEROME HILLARY.
I LIVE, UH, EXIT 12 NEAR THE ION, UH, 400 VENUE WAY.
UM, AND STEFAN, MY PARTNER HERE, YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR ME? GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.
SO I'M STEFAN BINGA, UH, ONE OF THE OWNER OF UH, W PARIS AND I ALSO LIVE IN, UH, ALPHARETTA.
AND YEAH, THE ADDRESS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS MORNING IS 35 NEWTON AVENUE, WHICH IS, UH, COUPLE OF, A COUPLE OF UH, MINUTES WALKING DISTANCE FROM HERE.
AND UM, YEAH, SO REALLY QUICK WE ARE OPENING A FRENCH, UH, BAKERY, PASTRY,
AND TODAY WE WANT TO, UH, PRESENT TO YOU WHAT WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO ON THE, UM, FRONT PART AREA OF THE LOCATION TO BE ABLE TO ACTIVATE THE STREET AND PRESENT SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, AESTHETIC AND MATCHES THE CITY'S EXPECTATION FOR THE EXPERIENCE IN DOWNTOWN.
WHY DON'T YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT YOU WANNA DO, PLEASE.
OKAY, SO, UM, WELL MAYBE JUST THE WORK BEFORE WE START.
SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS, UH, CURATED HIGH-END, UH, PRODUCTS, BAKERY PASTRIES, STARTING THE MORNING WITH COFFEE AS WELL.
UM, WE HAVE THE INTENTION TO BRING REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, REFINED PRODUCTS, KNOWHOW.
ONE OF OUR PARTNERS IS A BAKER, IS VERY HIGHLY TRAINED.
WE HAVE A FRENCH PASTRY CHEF AS WELL.
SO WE WANT TO, TO BRING THE EXPERIENCE OF, UH, OF, UH, FRENCH PRODUCTS AND PASTRIES IN THE MORNING.
AND THEN ON THE, UH, LATER STAGE OF THE DAY, WE HAVE, UH, EXTENSIVE WINE LIST AS WELL AS, UH, A FRENCH CHEF WHO IS GONNA COOK SOME ECONOMIC FOOD.
SO IT'S RELATIVELY HIGH END, BUT STILL ACCESSIBLE.
AND WE REALLY WANT TO BRING THE EXPERIENCE OF HOSPITALITY THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE SPEND SOME TIME IN PARIS.
SO SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, UH, RELAXED, YET HIGH QUALITY AND ALLOWS PEOPLE TO CONNECT AND SPEND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HENCE WHAT THE NAME IS ONE DAY IN PARIS.
'CAUSE YOU CAN COME AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY AND YOU ARE WELCOME AND YOU HAVE AN EXPERIENCE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
AND IF I MAY ADD, UH, SO WHAT WE ALSO TRYING TO BRING THERE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE OPEN FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE WE REALLY TRYING TO, TO HAVE A PLACE FOR ALL BUDGET, EVERYONE JUST TO TASTE THAT EXPERIENCE.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE ALSO LOUNGE AREA, FORMAL DINING, BUT ALWAYS WITH HIGH-END PRODUCTS.
SO, UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE HERE IS THE, UM, PLAN ON THE STREET SIDE.
SO THE OUTSIDE OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU WANT MORE DETAILS ON HOW THE INSIDE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE, IT'S SHAPING NICELY AT THE MOMENT.
OUR PLAN IS TO OPEN, UM, BE END OF APRIL PERIOD, EARLY MAY.
SO THE OUTSIDE AREA WILL BE INVITING IN AND OUT EXPERIENCE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE, UM, LOCATION STARTING WITH THE FIRST EXISTING DOOR.
CURRENTLY WE HAD TWO WINDOWS THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE OPEN.
THOSE ARE, UH, WINDOWS THAT ARE FULL ACCORDION WINDOWS, WHICH ALLOW US TO SLIDE ON THE SIDE AND CREATE THAT IN AND OUT EXPERIENCE, BRINGING THE INSIDE ATMOSPHERE TO THE OUTSIDE AND BUILDING A CONNECTION TO THE STREET AND THE, THE BYPASSING PEOPLE.
THEN WE HAVE OUR MAIN ENTRANCE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ALREADY EXISTING.
AND THEN NEXT TO IT IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE BAKERY SIDE.
SO WE HAVE SPECIFICITY OF OUR LOCATION IS THAT WE HAVE A DEDICATED SPACE FOR THE BAKERY AND PASTRY SIDE, WHICH COMMUNICATES TO THE MAIN ROOM.
SO PEOPLE CAN ENTER IN THE MORNING TO THE BAKERY, GET SOME COFFEE, AND THEN GO SIT IN WHAT WILL THEN TURN INTO A RESTAURANT LATER IN THE DAY.
HENCE WHY WE HAVE SOME LOUNGE SITTING AND MORE COMFORTABLE.
SO WE CAN ALSO SPEND SOME TIME IN THE MORNING THERE AND ENJOY THE LIGHTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, ON THE OUTSIDE WHAT WE WANT IS A MIX OF SOFT SITTING AND MORE COMFORTABLE, UH, I WOULD SAY DINING.
SO THAT IF YOU WANT TO JUST SIT AND HAVE COFFEE OR A GLASS OF WINE LATER IN THE DAY, YOU ARE COMFORTABLY DOING SO.
BUT IF YOU ALSO WANT TO HAVE A FULL MEAL, WE HAVE UH, TWO TOP TABLE, WHICH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO MORE SIT MORE I WOULD SAY FORMALLY.
AND THEN, UH, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE IS THERE IS CURRENTLY A GREEN SPACE THAT'S IN FRONT OF, AND THAT'S THIS AREA THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE.
AND WE WOULD LOVE TO BASICALLY BE ABLE TO TURN THAT SPACE INTO A SPACE THAT'S ACTIVATING AND ALLOWS PEOPLE TO BE SITTING AND ENJOYING THE OUTDOOR SPACE.
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DO THAT, YEAH, WE WILL SHOW YOU IN THE NEXT, UH, PICTURES, BUT IS TO, UM, INTRODUCE SOME ALSO A MIX OF, UM, MORE SOFT SITTING WITH SOFAS AND UM, MORE, UH, ACCENT CHAIRS AS WELL AS MORE FORMAL, UM, SITTING AREAS FOR THIS WILL ALLOW STILL THE SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME THROUGH AS WE ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF THE RULE OF PEOPLE BEING HAVING FIVE FEET MINIMUM FOR PEOPLE TO, UM, BYPASS, BUT STILL, UM, ALLOW SOME USE OF THE SPACE AND CONNECTION TO THE INSIDE AND CONNECTION TO THE STREET.AND ALSO WHAT WE HAVE NOTICED IS THAT'S, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A ASK FROM FROM THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAD THE CHANCE TO, TO RECEIVE A LOT OF FEEDBACKS FROM THE COMMUNITY AROUND HERE.
AND THAT PREVIOUS SPACE HERE, UH, JUST WITH THE GREEN SPACE IN FRONT, THEY WERE NOT AS VISIBLE, UM, AS A, AS A BUSINESS.
AND, AND IT WAS NOT VERY INVITING BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF A, IN THE HIDDEN PLACE.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE MORE INVITING THAT'S GONNA BRING A, A LITTLE MORE ACTIVATION ON THIS, THIS SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND THIS IS, UH, THIS, THIS, THIS IS ALSO TO ANSWER, UH, THE COMMUNITY, UM, FEEDBACK.
UM, IN, IN WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE ON TOP IS ALSO A SYSTEM OF SHADING.
IT CAN BE REMOVED, BUT IT ALLOWS FOR SUN PROTECTION AS WELL AS RAIN PROTECTION.
WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND HERE ARE MORE LIKE TRADITIONAL, UH, UMBRELLAS THAT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE IN THE SHADE.
'CAUSE THIS IS SOUTH EXPOSURE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF SAND ON HERE.
THIS IS THE SETUP, UH, AS WE TRANSITION TO WINTER.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, UH, NO NEED FOR AS MUCH SHADE, UH, ON THE WINTERTIME, BUT IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME.
UM, LAST NOTICE TO ALSO ALLOW PEOPLE TO SIT COMFORTABLY IN SPITE OF THE CARS, UM, PASSING BY.
WE HAVE A SYSTEM OF PLANTERS AND PLANTS TO SEPARATE THE SITTING SPACE FROM THE STREET AND BUILD MORE OF A INTIMATE SETUP.
I WOULD SAY THIS IS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE RESPECT THE ROLE OF HAVING THE, THE EXTERNAL, UH, OUTSIDE ACTIVITY, BUT STILL ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PASS IN THAT, IN THIS, UM, IN THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED FOR PROVIDED WITH, SORRY.
AND WE ALSO JUST, UH, LAST THING, WE ALSO, WE PLAN TO KEEP EVERY, UH, SINGLE ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE KEPT SUCH AS TREE FOR INSTANCE, AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THERE IS NO DEEP, UH, CONSTRUCTION WORK TO BE DONE.
SO HOLD, HOLD IT RIGHT THERE FOR ME.
SO THE, WHAT'S IN THE YELLOW, UM, OUTLINE PA, THAT'S THE FIVE FOOT CLEAR PATH.
SO YOU WON'T HAVE CHAIRS OUT THERE? NO, WELL WE WILL HAVE THEM, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'LL HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF THE WINDOWS THAT OPEN SO PEOPLE CAN STILL FEEL COMFORTABLE SITTING.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A, THAT'S KIND OF A, A LOUNGE CHAIR OR A COUCH.
BUT THERE'S NO FREESTANDING CHAIRS THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT ROUND? UM, NO.
WELL, WE, WE, UM, EVERY, EVERYTHING WE, WE STAY ALONG THE FACADE BASICALLY.
SO THERE IS NO, NO OTHER FREE, FREE SEATING THAT THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, REMOVED IN THE FIVE FEET CLEARANCE, BECAUSE THIS SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT NOW THAN THE ORIGINAL PLAN YOU JUST SHOWED ON SOME CHAIRS AND STUFF THAT YOU HAD THERE.
THIS, WELL, NO, THAT'S STILL IN, THAT'S STILL WITHIN THE LIMIT.
UH, I BELIEVE THIS IS EVEN DIFFERENT THAN THE PACK.
THEY'RE SITTING, THEY ARE THIS ZOOM, BUT THEY ARE STILL IN THE CLEARANCE.
WE, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING IN THOSE FIVE FEET.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED.
PROVIDED WITH THAT, THIS NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY CLEARED.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, GRAPHIC RENDERING BASICALLY OF WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO FOR THE, UM, MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT I WAS TALKING TO.
THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE PART OF THEIR, THEIR THING.
WE JUST WANTED 'EM TO PUT IT ON PAPER THAT SAID, WE CAN SHOW THE FIVE FEET COMES THROUGH HERE.
SO YES, THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SOME TIMES WHERE, WHERE THOSE CHAIRS ENCROACH ON THAT.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, LIKE I SAID IN THE WORKSHOP, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A STRAIGHT PLAN.
IT NEEDS TO, JUST NEEDS TO STAY FIVE FEET.
SO, UM, WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD WITH THESE GUYS AND, UM, I HAD A REALLY GREAT CONVERSATION WITH THEIR, THEIR MANAGER AND, AND, AND WE REALLY GAVE IT TO HER TOO, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S YOUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT PATH STAYS OPEN.
SO NOT, IT'S NOT CODE ENFORCEMENT, IT'S, IT'S THERE.
UM, I JUST, I'M, I MEAN, I'M GLAD THEY'RE ENERGIZING THE SIDEWALK.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE YEAH.
COMPLYING WITH THE, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, IN THAT AREA WHERE THE ALLEYWAY TO THE COURTYARD AND THAT, UM, AND THE NEW SEATING AREA, THERE'S A BENCH, A TRASH CAN, A BIKE RACK.
I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO BE RELOCATED DOWN WHERE THE, UM, THE MONUMENT SIGN IS FOR THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES.
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JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ARIA BUILDING.I THINK THERE'S A PLAN, A MONUMENT.
UM, I, I BELIEVE THERE'S A, A, A PLAN FOR THOSE TO GET RELOCATED JUST, JUST DOWN THERE.
SO LIKE, I MEAN, THEY WON'T BE STAYING RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR SPOT.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE, THERE'S PLANTERS THAT ARE UP AGAINST THE HOTEL.
THERE'S PLANTERS THAT ARE ON THIS SIDE, THERE'S PLANTERS OUT AT THE BALLERS AND, AND WE'VE ENCOURAGED THEM TO KEEP THOSE OUT THERE.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER BARRIER AND THINGS.
UM, UP AT THE BUILDING THOUGH, THEY'LL BE DOING THEIR, THEIR FACADE AND THE PLANTERS WILL POTENTIALLY STAY AT THE OTHER RESTAURANT AND THE, AND THE HOTEL.
BUT WHAT THESE GUYS WILL BE DOING THEIR OWN THING IN FRONT OF THEIR SPACE, BASICALLY MAKING IT SORT OF TENANT SPECIFIC.
YOU LIKE WHEN YOU SHOPPING STUFF.
I JUST WAS ASKING UH, 'CAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S THAT BENCH AND TRASH CAN DEFINITELY WON'T LEAVE HIM FIVE FEET.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE NEXT IS THE TYPE OF, UH, MATERIAL THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH, BUT I WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE SO WE CAN REALLY LOOK AT THAT MORE INTO APPLICATION AND THEN YOU CAN RAISE ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
BUT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A, A RENDERING, UM, OF THE FRONT SITTING.
SO AGAIN, THE INSPIRATION IS CLEARLY SOMETHING THAT WILL BRING A LITTLE SLICE OF PARIS TO DOWNTOWN, BUT STILL RESPECTING EVERYTHING THAT'S, UM, THE SPIRIT OF THE HAMILTON AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS THE SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH, BUT WE GIVE, UM, UH, PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE LOUNGE SITTING AND, AND SPEND SOME TIME WITH.
IT'S BUILT IN A WAY THAT CAN BE ENJOYED.
WHETHER IT IS EARLY MORNING OR WHETHER IT IS MORE, UH, IN THE EVENING AND WE HAVE MORE RENDERINGS FOR THE EVENING TIME.
HOLD THAT RENDERING RIGHT THERE.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE.
SO LET US KIND OF UNDERSTAND THIS.
WELL, AND THE ACCORDION DOORS.
I DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN MY IN IMAGE.
UM, SO, ALRIGHT, WHAT IN THAT IMAGE RIGHT THERE, WHAT IS EXISTING AND WHAT'S BEING EITHER REPLACED OR NEW AS FAR AS THE, SAY THE WINDOWS GO WITH A STOREFRONT, PLEASE ON THE WINDOWS.
UM, THOSE TWO ARE THE WINDOWS THAT WE WANT TO OPEN, UH, TO GIVE THAT IN AND OUT SPACE.
THESE ARE NOT TECHNICALLY, UH, WE WOULD NOT USE THEM AS DOORS.
WE JUST WANT TO OPEN THE SPACE TO LEAVE THE ATMOSPHERE IN AND OUT AND CREATE THAT MORE LIKE SEAMLESS EXPERIENCE, WHETHER YOU ARE WALKING BY OR WHETHER YOU'RE INSIDE ENJOYING THE CONNECTION IN AND OUT.
SO THOSE ARE CURRENTLY, THOSE ARE FIXED WINDOWS, RIGHT? THOSE ARE FIXED.
YOU CAN'T OPEN OR CLOSE 'EM NOW.
SO YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PROVIDE A EXACTLY CHANGE AND, AND THEY CAN REMAIN CLOSED IF WHETHER, UH, THERE'S AN ALLOW.
UH, IT STILL LOOKS LIKE A WINDOW.
IT'S A, WE HAVE, UH, DETAILS OF, UH, TECHNICAL DETAILS OF THOSE, UM, WINDOWS, WINDOWS.
BUT THEY WILL ALLOW TO SLIDE AND CREATE THAT SEAMLESS IN AND OUT, UH, EXPERIENCE.
IT'S A LOT MORE AESTHETIC WE THINK.
AND AGAIN, THE IDEA IS REALLY THINK OF YOU OF, UM, WALKING IN THAT STREET AND HEARING THE CLEANING AND HEARING THE, THE PEOPLE, THE LAUGHTER.
AND WE WANT TO BRING THAT ATMOSPHERE, UM, THROUGHOUT THE STREET, CREATING THAT SENSE.
IT'S SOMETHING WE DO HAVE IN PARIS.
IF YOU SPEND SOME TIME IN PARIS AND YOU STAY IN A HOTEL, OPEN YOUR HOTEL WINDOW AND YOU CAN HEAR PEOPLE LAUNCH.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THIS PERIOD.
SO THOSE, SO THOSE TWO ACCORDION WINDOWS, I'LL CALL 'EM ARE NEW.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE CALLED OUT IN OUR SITE, IN OUR PACKET.
NOT IN THE RENDERING SITE PLAN.
NOT IN THE RENDERING, BUT IN THE SITE PLAN DIAGRAM.
THEY ARE SAYING THAT THEY'RE AT NEW ACCORDING DOORS.
AND THEN HOW ABOUT THE TWO? LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT SOME SET OF DOORS, LIKE THE HOSTESS STAND OR THE, UH, THE BAKERY I GUESS SO ON, ON THOSE.
AND THEN TO THE NEXT DOOR IS WOULD, IT WOULD BE WHERE WE REPLICATE THAT DOOR IN THE CURRENT WINDOW.
SO THE WINDOW STAYS THE SAME, BUT THERE'S A FRAME INTO IT THAT WE WOULD WANT TO REPLACE WITH THE EXACT SAME DOOR AS OUR MAIN DOOR.
IT JUST TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO ENTER ONLY TO THE BAKERY SIDE IF THEY DON'T WANT TO EXPERIENCE THE WHOLE RESTAURANT.
WHAT WE NOTICED, UH, WITH THE, THE COMMUNITY AS WELL IS THAT WHEN THEY ENTER THAT MAIN DOOR, THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A ROOM TO THE RIGHT.
SO HAVING THAT OTHER DOOR WILL ALLOW THEM TO ENTER STRAIGHT INTO THE BAKERY SPACE.
WHICH IS CURATED AND CREATED AS A BAKERY.
SO THE LOOK AND FEEL INSIDE OF THE, THE, THE WHOLE LOCATION IS DIFFERENT WHETHER YOU ARE ON THE RESTAURANT SIDE OR WHETHER YOU ARE INTO THE BAKERY.
ALTHOUGH THEY ARE COMMUNICATING.
BUT IT ALLOWS TO CREATE THOSE DIFFERENT EXPENSES.
SO THE, SO THE NEW SET OF DOORS THAT ARE GONNA MATCH THE EXISTING SET OF DOORS.
I MEAN IN FINISH, IN COLOR, IN STYLE.
AND THEN THE, UM, ACCORDION, I'LL CALL IT THE ACCORDION DOORS.
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THEY'RE ALSO GONNA MATCH YES.JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE PROVIDING SOME CONSISTENCY.
IT'S, UH, IT'S THE SAME TONE, SAME, UH, TYPE OF MATERIAL MM-HMM
AND IT, IT WILL BLEND IN SEAMLESSLY.
AND THEN, UM, WHILE WE'RE ON THIS RENDERING, UM, YOU'RE PUTTING SOME, LIKE UP AGAINST THE WALL, YOU'RE PUTTING SOME, I GUESS FAUX VINES OR PLANTS, BUT YOU'RE ONLY DOING IT AROUND THE, THE HOSTESS STAND DOORS OR THE BAKERY DOOR? UM, SO WHAT WE SEE HERE IS, UH, WE, WE PUSH THE CONCEPT A LITTLE BIT, BUT UM, THE IDEA IS TO BRING THAT GREENERY SIDE.
WE KNOW FROM OUR DESIGN TEAM AND EVERYTHING THAT HAVING FOUR IS NOT, IF IT'S ONLY FOUR, IT'S NOT GREAT.
SO WE WANT TO MIX AND WE ARE GONNA HAVE REAL, UH, PLANTS ON THAT CURRENT GREEN SPACE.
WHAT WE HAVE TO PUT ON THE FACADE HAS TO BE FOUR FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES AND TO MAKE SURE THIS STAYS, THE LOOK STAYS GOOD.
SO WE WILL HAVE HIGH-END, UH, UH, ONES AND WE WILL AL ALWAYS KEEP THEM, UM, LOOKING PERFECT AS THE IDEA
SO IT'S, SO YOU'RE DOING ALL THE GREENERY UP HIGH TOO.
SO THE EVERYTHING ABOVE THE ARCHED WINDOWS, YOU'RE DOING THAT TOO? WE WOULD LOVE TO DO SO IF, IF IT'S, IF I LOAD.
UM, BUT IN THIS RENDERING, I THINK IT'S BEEN A LITTLE PUSHED.
UM, IF YOU ARE, IF YOU THINK IT'S MUCH, WE CAN REDUCE DEFINITELY IT, IT CAN BE JUST PARTY AND WE CAN REDUCE THE VOLUME.
THAT WAS MAINLY TO GIVE AN, AN ATMOSPHERE OF WHAT IT COULD BE.
AND WE HAVE ACCESS FROM THE TOP OF THE, THE, THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ACCESS TO, UM, IN INSTALL THE FLOWERS AS WELL.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN SHOWING THE INTENT OF WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO PUT EVERYTHING? UH, AS OF NOW, A, A, A PLAN OF THIS? NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE, THE EXCHANGE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE NOW.
I, I WOULD SAY YOU'D NEED TO JUST SO THINGS DON'T SNEAK IN OR SNEAK AWAY OR THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO STAFF THOUGH.
IT'S PRICEY, SO IT'S HIGH QUALITY
UM, THEN DOES THE, DID THE ACCORDION DOORS, THE MATERIAL OF THOSE, DOES IT MATCH THE EXISTING DOORS? YES, IT DOES.
DID YOU ALREADY COVER THAT? WELL, THAT'S THEIR INTENT.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T, HAVEN'T SHOWN ANYTHING, BUT THAT'S THEIR INTENT TO DO THAT.
SO IT'LL MATCH THE MATERIALS WE COVER IF YOU WANT.
WE HAVE TECHNICAL INSPECTIONS OF THOSE, UH OKAY.
FOR YOU TO REVIEW, BUT THEY MATCH THE MATERIAL AND THE COLOR AND THE STYLE.
UM, I HAVE JUST A, A IN THE PACKET, UM, YOU SHOW LIKE A, A DAYTIME VIEW AND A NIGHTTIME VIEW AND THE NIGHTTIME HAS LIKE MAYBE LITTLE FAIRY LIGHTS OR SOMETHING.
WOULD YOU, IS THAT YOUR STILL YOUR INTENT TO FOLLOW THE GREENERY WITH THE, THE LITTLE LIGHTS? I DON'T THINK, NOT, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY.
THAT WAS MAINLY, THAT WAS MAINLY THE RENDERING PURPOSE.
SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
UH, WE DON'T KNOW YET IF THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, THAT WAY PRECISELY, BUT WE JUST WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF LIGHTS AROUND.
SO I'LL INTERJECT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
I, I TOLD YOU IN WORKSHOP, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THESE GUYS HAVE HAVE BEEN, THEY, THEY MAY BE AWARE, BUT MILTON AVENUE IS GETTING SOME CROSS MILTON AVENUE STRING LIGHTS LIKE WE HAVE OUT, OUT FRONT HERE.
SO PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE THESE GUYS TO DO IS WAIT ON LIGHTING MM-HMM
UNTIL THAT PART'S DONE, OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE PLANNED.
I MEAN, IT IS GONNA OBVIOUSLY BE A LOT HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY'LL DO, BUT SEE WHAT THAT DOES BE BEFORE WE FIND WINDOWS OR YOU KNOW, OR, OR DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE IT MAY GIVE YOU ENOUGH OF WHAT YOU WANT WITH WITHOUT DOING A LOT OF THE, THE FAIRY LIGHTS AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO YEAH, JUST TO, YEAH, I THINK IT, I MEAN I, IN THE RENDERING I DO, I DO LOVE THEM AROUND THE, YOUR TWO ENTRANCES MM-HMM
UM, I MEAN I THINK IF YOU PUT IT UP THERE, IT MIGHT BE LIKE OVERKILL OR UNDERNEATH THE CANOPIES, BUT THAT'S KIND, IT'S KIND OF PRETTY AROUND THE YEAH, INITIALLY THAT WAS THE IDEA TO JUST HAVE IT TO SIGNAL THE ENTRANCE BASICALLY.
UH, WHEN WE REDID, UM, THE LATEST ONE, WE HAD IT MORE GREENERY, SO IT, IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THE MORE CASE.
WEATHERING IS GONNA BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE AS MOST STUFF IS.
AND YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE POLLEN STORM, THEN
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GOING THROUGH AND GOING THROUGH THE COLD AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PLANTS OR THE, THE FAUX PLANTS PLANT? YEAH.
ALL OF THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
UM, JUST LIKE IT IS FOR AWNING AND UMBRELLAS.
WEATHER TAKES A TOLL HERE FOR SURE.
I'LL SAY THAT, THAT THIS IS MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT I WAS TELLING YOU THAT WE SAW INITIALLY, UM, WITH THESE GUYS.
IT WAS A LITTLE, A LITTLE MORE FULL, UM, A LITTLE, A LITTLE MORE PARIS LIKE.
SO I'M, I THINK STAFF WOULD BE EXCITED I AM TO SEE THAT THEY'RE SORT OF GOING BACK.
WE MAY HAVE INADVERTENTLY TRIED TO GET THEM TO SCALE BACK.
NOT NOT WANTING TO, BUT, BUT MAYBE WE DID.
SO I'M, I'M, I THINK KATHY WILL BE HAPPY AND I THINK MOST OF THE STAFF AND COUNCIL WOULD BE HAPPY THAT IT'S GOING A LITTLE MORE THIS DIRECTION, WHICH DIRECTION TOWARDS MORE PLANTS, MORE, MORE MATERIAL ON THE WALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK WE NEED SOME SORT OF A, YOU NEED A BASE DESIGN MADE A PLAN OF SOMETHING AS TO THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA DO IT AND THINGS.
I THINK IN THIS CASE, THEY'LL PROBABLY OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO ATTACH SOME STUFF TO THE BUILDING SO THAT, THAT PROBABLY THEN WOULD DRIVE WHERE IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE.
UM, SO, BUT I, I, I AGREE MR. CORPORAL WILL WANT TO SEE SORT OF THAT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS G LAYER KIND OF THING.
AND IT'S GONNA BE CONDITIONED BY CITY STAFF TO MAKE SURE IT'S MAINTAINED AND ALWAYS LOOKS GOOD.
WHAT, WHAT DIRECTION DOES THIS, DOES THIS FACADE? FACE, FACE? SOUTH.
IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA TAKE A GOOD, IT'S GONNA TAKE A GOOD HIT AND ESPECIALLY UNTIL THE TREE GETS UP AND COVERS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT YEAH, IT'S GONNA TAKE A GOOD HIT FOR A GOOD WHILE AND YOU'VE GOT THE HEAT OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S GONNA YEAH, THERE'S A LOT.
TO, TO KEEP IT UP AND, UM, YEAH.
SO SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T MENTION AT FIRST IS WE ARE MORE SO THAN JUST HAVING A LOCATION.
WE'RE BUILDING AN EXPERIENCE AND A BRAND AND IT'S OWN INTEREST THAT IT ALWAYS LOOKS PERFECT.
THAT'S ALSO WHY WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE IT WITH YOU HERE IN ALFRED.
'CAUSE IT IS A MATCH IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND IN TERM OF WHAT ATA REPRESENTS.
SO YOU HAVE OUR COMMITMENT THAT IT WILL ALWAYS BE CLEAN, MAINTAINED.
WE CARE ALL ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS.
UM, I CAN, UM, LOOKING, I'M SORRY, LOOKING AT THAT SAME, UH, RENDERING ELEVATION.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AWNINGS THAT ARE ABOVE THE OPENINGS THERE.
SO YOU'RE PROPOSING TO, UM, CHANGE THOSE OUT TO THIS TAN BEIGE COLOR.
UM, AGAIN, BEING OPEN TO YOUR FEEDBACK HERE, BUT IDEALLY IT WOULD MATCH A LITTLE BIT MORE THE SPIRIT AND THE BRAND OF WHAT WE DO.
IF YOU WERE TO DEEM THAT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, BLACK WILL STILL WORK, BUT IT'S, WE THINK IT ELEVATES A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE CURRENT ONE.
SO YOU'RE PROPOSING TO LEAVE THE STRUCTURE OF THE AWNING THERE? YEAH.
AND THEN JUST RE RECOVER EXACTLY.
WITH THIS NEW FABRIC, IT'S ALSO TO NOT, UH, YEAH, WE WANNA STAY REASONABLE WITH HOW THE PLACE IS MORE LIKE AN UPGRADE THAN A COMPLETE TRANSFORMATION.
AND THEN, I'M SORRY, DO YOU HAVE A SAMPLE OF THE, DO YOU HAVE A SAMPLE? NOT YET.
WE, UH, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A PROVIDER IN LAWRENCEVILLE FOR THOSE.
UM, WE CAN PROVIDE A SAMPLE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT WITH US RIGHT NOW.
IT WILL BE THE SAME, JUST THE COONE, BUT IT WILL BE THE SAME ON.
AND THEN ALSO YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE SHOWING NOW UMBRELLAS OUT FRONT AS WELL? YES.
YOU, I GUESS YOU DON'T HAVE SAMPLES OF THOSE? NO.
SO THOSE UMBRELLAS ARE THE WEST ONES THAT WE ARE AIMING FOR.
UM, THE LOOK AND FIELD IS SIMILAR.
IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE THAT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THEM YET.
I JUST DIDN'T SEE THOSE IN OUR PACKET EITHER.
ORIGINALLY, UH, THEY WERE MISSING IN THE OKAY.
AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO CHANGE OUT THE, UH, I'LL CALL 'EM WALL SCONCES, THE LIGHT FIXTURES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, ALSO PUSHING A LITTLE BIT ON THE, UH, UH, PROPOSITION FOR LIGHTING.
THE IDEA IS TO REALLY BRING MORE LIGHTING TO THE FACADE.
WE THINK THE FACADE IS REALLY AESTHETIC AND IT HAS ALSO THAT EUROPEAN, UH, FEEL TO IT.
SO CURRENTLY THE LIGHTING FIXTURE IS DETACHED, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY LIGHT THE WALL ITSELF.
SO WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO BRING IS A FIXTURE THAT LIGHTS THE ENTIRE FACADE THAT BRINGS A LOT MORE ELEVATED LOOK AND FEEL TO THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO RUN BY YOU OBVIOUSLY AND HAVE YOUR OPINION ON.
AND THEN YOUR, UM, LOOKS LIKE THE, WHAT I CALL THE BLADE SIGN UP THERE BETWEEN THE BAKERY ENTRY AND THE HOST ENTRY.
UH, THAT'S THERE NOW YOU'RE JUST REPLACING THAT.
SO THAT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A CONTINUITY
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TO KEEP AND A GUIDELINES.SO WE WOULD USE A VERY SIMILAR, UM, SIGN, SAME SIZE, SAME DIMENSION THAN WHAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
IT WOULD BE OUR BRAND ON IT, BUT MM-HMM
AND, UM, WE WOULD HAVE, UM, WE, WE NEED ALSO FOR LICENSES TO HAVE THE ADDRESS, UM, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE WINDOWS OF THE DOOR.
SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT WITH A GOLDEN GOLD TYPE.
UM, CAN I GO BACK TO LIGHTING REAL QUICK? UM, SURE.
THE WALL LIGHTING, UM, THOSE, UH, THE TRADITIONAL SCONCES THAT ARE THERE NOW, I GUESS EXTEND ALL THE WAY DOWN AND INTO THE, UM, PATHWAY.
WILL THOSE, WHERE, WHERE WILL YOU STOP YOURS? SO CURRENTLY IN THE, WHAT YOU SEE HERE, WE WOULD STOP WHERE OUR FRONTS, UM, IS.
OKAY THEN, THEN IT'S A, IF IT HAS TO BE PUSHED FURTHER, IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BRING IN THE HOTEL MANAGEMENT.
SO THAT WHERE, UH, ON THE FAR LEFT, THAT ONE THAT'S RIGHT ABOVE THE UMBRELLA THAT, THAT'S ON, THOSE ARE DOORS, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO ON THE OTHER SIDE, WOULD THAT BE THIS, THIS GOLD ONE OR WOULD IT STAY THE NO, IT WOULD BE, UH, BECAUSE OF OUR, THE FRONT, UH, GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE CORRIDOR.
SO WOULD YOUR QUESTION, THE ONES THAT ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ALLEY? YEAH.
SO YEAH, SO THOSE WOULD GET CHANGED AS WELL THEN IF, IF WE, UH, GET APPROVED OF THAT YES.
FROM THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF YOUR SHORT FRONT.
OH, I WAS TAKING IT TO MEAN THAT, I KNOW Y'ALL CAN'T SEE THIS, BUT LIKE, HERE'S THE END OF HIT THE WALL.
HE JUST SAID THEY'RE CHANGING.
WAIT, WE, WE WOULD WANT DO HAVE QUINCY, I DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR ME? 'CAUSE I, I DON'T, WHAT I DON'T.
CAN YOU BRING UP, UM, A GOOGLE RIGHT THERE ON BOTH SIDES? A GOOGLE MAPS THAT WOULD HELP A LOT.
JOEL JOEL'S GONNA PUT UP A, THOSE TWO PLUS.
OH, THE WALL WALL SCOS I HEARD.
ON THAT SIDE OF THE POEO MM-HMM
I, YEAH, BECAUSE THEN, YEAH, BECAUSE THE ONE THAT'S ON THAT FAR LEFT, UM, ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PATHWAY, THEN YOU START ALL NEW DIFFERENT BUILDING LIGHTS.
SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO YEAH.
AND, AND LOOKING AT THE, THE CUTCH, THE, THE, UM, MATERIAL SHEET THAT YOU SUBMITTED SAYS THOSE SCONCES ARE 12 INCHES TALL.
I DON'T HAVE THE, IT'S THOSE ONES.
YEAH, IT SEEMS TOO SMALL FOR THE SIZE OF THAT FACADE.
SO IF WE CAN, CAN WE STAY ON THIS PAGE REAL QUICK? WHICH PAGE? I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DIG INTO THE DETAILS, THE ONES ON THE SCREEN.
SO YEAH, THE, THE LIGHT THAT SEEMED A LITTLE SMALL.
ARE YOU PROPOSING A WHITE SHADE SALE? SORRY, I'M A, A WHITE, SORRY.
YOU CALL IT OUT AS TO BE NATURAL.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? THIS ONE? UH, NO, IT'LL BE MORE LIKE A BEIGE, UH, TYPE COLOR.
IT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE AWNING AND THE, AND THE FABRIC ON THE, OKAY.
SO YOU, BUT YOU'VE CALLED OUT NATURAL.
YOU SHOWN NATURAL AS BEING A WHITEISH COLOR? YEAH, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S MORE LIKE A SAND.
DO YOU HAVE A SAMPLE OF THAT? WE DON'T EITHER.
UM, THEN YOU HAVE A, A, UH, LANTERN.
SO THIS IS, LOOKS LIKE A BIRDCAGE, KIND OF A LANTERN.
SO
THAT'S THE PLANTERS AREA THAT WE WANT TO REPURPOSE, THAT WE NEED SOME LIGHTING IN THERE.
UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE OPPOSITIONS THAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE ALSO TABLE, UH, LIGHTS ON THE TABLE CONSISTENTLY WITH WHAT'S INSIDE.
ARE THOSE SHOWN ON ANY DRAWING ANYWHERE? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, THE LANTERN.
NO, I THINK, UH, YOU WANT ME TO MOVE, YOU WANT US STAY ON THIS PAGE? OR, AND THE UMBRELLAS, DO WE HAVE SAMPLE COLORS FOR THOSE? DOES THEY'RE, THE, THE POLE IS BLACK AND THE, THE UMBRELLA HERE, IT'S THIS UMBRELLA COLOR, I BELIEVE SO IT'S IN CAMEL OR CAMEL ORL.
SO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS WE, WE NEED SAMPLES SO WE CAN LOOK AT THEM AND FEEL 'EM, AND TOUCH 'EM, KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHEN IT'S CALLED OUT ON THE DRAWING AS A NATURAL, BUT YOU SAY IT'S GONNA BE BEIGE
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OR YOU SAY IT'S GONNA BE NATURAL OR THIS, OR THAT.WE, WE DEAL IN THE, THE SPECIFICS OF IT SINCE IT'S A HIGH PUBLIC VIEW.
UM, SO I'M TRYING TO DELVE INTO JUST WHAT ALL OF THIS IS GONNA BE, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, AND WHERE THINGS ARE GOING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO LEMME JUST ASK HIM A QUESTION.
SO WOULD IT BE YOUR INTENT THAT THE UMBRELLA FABRIC, THE AWNING FABRIC, AND THE SAIL FABRIC ALL MATCH? THEY ARE, THEY ARE, THEY ARE CONS.
THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CONSISTENT.
UM, THERE CAN BE NUANCES AND SHADES.
THE IDEA IS NOT NECESSARILY TO BE UNIFORM, UH, ALL, ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT IT'S TO BE DESIGN-WISE, CONSISTENT.
THE AGENCY THAT DID THAT DESIGN IS AGAINST, THAT'S A VERY FAMOUS AND REWARDED, UH, AWARDED AGENCY.
SO THERE ARE IDEAS THAT THERE'S A CONSISTENT LOOK AND FEEL THROUGHOUT THE, THE ENTIRE EXPERIENCE.
UM, THE SHADES IN THIS CASE, SPECIFICALLY OF WHAT WAS OFFERED MIGHT SLIGHTLY DIFFER.
UM, BUT TO BRING SOME, UH, I WOULD SAY, UH, TO BE EFFECTIVE TO THE DESIGN.
BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S YOUR DESIRE THAT EVERYTHING MATCHES, WE COULD ALSO, AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVE CAMEL OR SAND IN, IN THE OPTIONS FOR THE UMBRELLAS.
I MEAN, THE, THE INTENT IS THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE IN THE SAME TONE, SAME COLOR TONES, BUT YOU DON'T WANT A BEIGE AWNING AND THEN A BEIGE UMBRELLA.
YOU WANT IT TO BE LIKE THE SAME TONE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE DARKER, LIKE THEY'VE SHOWN OR, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING.
IS THE, YOU KNOW, MAKES ME LESS CONCERNED.
IF YOU WERE TRYING, YOU WANTED TO HAVE A, A BRIGHT GREEN, YOU KNOW, BRIGHT GREEN OR SOMETHING.
BUT WE ORIGINALLY, WE HAD THOUGHT, OH, YOU KNOW, UH, FRENCH, LIKE, LET'S DO STRIPES NOW.
I, I THINK THAT THE FACT THEY'RE ALL NEUTRAL, I WOULD PERSONALLY BE COMFORTABLE JUST HAVING THEM SHOW IT TO STAFF.
SO TO THAT POINT, TO BACK UP ON THAT, THE SHADE SALE, IF IT INDEED IS NATURAL, IS THAT WHITE COLOR, THAT'S ONLY ALL I CAN GO IS BY WHAT I SEE ON THE DRAWING.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE FALLING INTO IS, IS STAFF TRYING TO ASSIST ROOKIES AT, AT PUTTING TOGETHER THIS TYPE OF THING.
AND SO THEY WENT OUT AND FOUND WHAT THEY COULD WITHOUT, WITHOUT HAVING A PROFESSIONAL GO OUT AND, AND DESIGN IT AND DO IT.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GIVE 'EM A LITTLE BIT OF GRACE.
I THINK YOU CAN LEAVE A LOT OF THAT TO, TO STAFF WITH THE UNDERSTANDING.
WE CAN EVEN WRAP IN TWO OR THREE OF Y'ALL WHEN, WHEN THAT COMES IN IF YOU WANT TO.
AND WE'LL SAY, OKAY, WELL HERE IT IS.
HERE'S THE PALLET, THE ACTUAL PALLET.
IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE NOW.
AND THEN WE GET THERE AND WE SAY, OKAY, THIS IS IT.
AND I CAN GET BEHIND THE TANS AND THE BES, BUT AGAIN, IT'S ALARMING WHEN I SEE A NATURAL COLOR.
LEMME SEE HOW WHITE
THAT'LL BE, IT'LL BE GRAY WITH BLACK STREAKS,
SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT.
YOU KNOW, I GAVE THEM A LOT OF DIRECTION.
THEY, THEY'RE RESTAURATEURS, THEY'RE NOT DESIGNERS.
UM, SO, BUT THEY'RE MY, SO I, I, BUT WE WE'RE, I'M, I SAID FIND PICTURES, PUT PICTURES ON A PAPER.
AND SO THAT'S, I THINK THEY, THEY DID A GOOD JOB AT DOING THAT PART FOR US.
CAN WE, I, I DON'T WANNA TAKE THIS OVER, BUT CAN WE MARCH THROUGH THE SPECIFICS OF THE OUTDOOR SPACE? I SEE SOME PLANT SYMBOLS.
I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT'S GOING IN THESE PLANTERS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, WE BROUGHT IT UP IN THE PRE-MEETING.
UM, IS THERE ANY CONCERN, UH, BEING NEXT TO A VEHICULAR SPACE TO CLOSE IT IN, PROTECT IT WITH A FEW BALLERS THAT MIGHT MATCH THE REST OF THE SITE? I MEAN, THERE, THERE, THERE ARE ALREADY EXISTING ON THE SIDE OF THE, THE DROP OFF AREA.
WELL, LET'S, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.
CAN WE SWITCH TO THE SITE PLAN OR THE, THE, I SAY SITE PLAN? THE PLAN OF, THERE WE GO.
THERE ARE ALREADY EXISTING ACTUALLY, UM, ALONG, YEAH, THIS, OH, THERE ARE, YES, THERE ARE.
AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST FOR YOUR ALL PROTECTION.
THAT'S, I'M NOT GONNA DELVE INTO THE, THE SAFETY OF IT, OF THE SITE.
UH, THE RAISE PLANNERS WILL HELP.
SO WHAT'S GOING IN THE RAISED PLANTERS? UM, WE CAN, UH, GIVE YOU SOME VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF THAT IT, SORRY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A PRESENTATION OF WHAT WE ARE INTENDING TO DO.
THE ONLY THING IS, UM, THOSE PLANTERS, THE PLANTS MIGHT GROW SLIGHTLY.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE IDEA IS TO BRING A MORE REFINED AND CONFINED AREA SO THAT YOU DON'T FEEL YOUR PART OF THE TRAFFIC OR WHATEVER.
UM, BUT THIS IS ALSO A VERY, UH, SLOW AREA WHERE THERE IS, THERE IS SOME TRAFFIC,
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BUT IT'S NOT A FAST SPACE.UM, BUT THE IDEA OF THOSE PLANTERS IS REALLY TO DEFINE THAT SPACE THAT WHEN YOU'RE SITTING INSIDE, YOU ARE FEELING PEACEFUL AND SURROUNDED BY GREEN.
THAT'S WHERE WE, IT'LL BE REAL PLANTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE BRING THE BALANCE.
BUT EVERGREEN AS WELL, I'M ASSUMING.
THEY'LL DRAIN, THEY'LL HAVE DRAIN HOLES.
SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WITH THAT IS STAINING OF EVERYTHING AROUND IT AS THAT SWELL BLEEDS THROUGH.
WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, WE'LL BE POWER WASHING.
WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO SOME PLANTING MIXES, UM, THAT DO NOT STAIN AS MUCH.
SO THINGS TO DELVE INTO WITH THAT.
AND THEN, UH, I SAW THE PAVER MATERIAL, BUT YOU'VE GOT A FEW OTHER PLANTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THERE, JUST KIND OF FREESTANDING ON THE TWO, UH, TRAPEZOIDAL SIDES OF THAT.
THEY SHOW PLANTERS IN THIS RENDERING.
BUT I SEE, I SEE PLANTS BY THEMSELVES IN THE, UH, SITE PLAN.
AND THE, AND THAT'S CENTER ONE, THE TWO, THE TWO ANGLED SIDES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN DIAGRAM IS IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SITE PLAN THAT YOU SHOWED US JUST PRIOR TO THIS RENDERING, I DON'T HAVE THAT ONE.
THAT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE GOT
NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE, THIS IS A DIFFERENT, YEAH.
THE, THE INTENT THAT WE HAVE IS, IS OBVIOUSLY BETTER PRESENTED ON THE FLOOR PLAN.
REASON FOR IT IS BECAUSE FOR TIMING REASONS, THE RENDERING IS ALSO A LITTLE, UH, THERE IS A MIX OF, UH, DESIGN WORK AND AI AS WELL.
SO SOME, SOME ELEMENTS YOU SEE IN THE RENDERING IS MORE INSPIRATIONAL FOR THE LOOK AND FEEL WE'RE AIMING, BUT THAT'S THE PLAN WE INTEND TO FOLLOW.
SO YOU DON'T PLAN ON HAVING ANY PLANTS IN THE GROUND? NO, WE DO.
NO, WE HAVE PLANTERS, BUT NOT IN GROUND.
NO, NO IN GROUND, RIGHT? OH, NO, NO, NO.
I'M, I'M THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN THERE.
I'M DEFINITELY MORE PRONE TO THAT.
AND HAVING THEM REFINED IN THE PLANTERS AND FIND YOUR SPACE BETTER.
I'M, I'M TO YOUR POINT ABOUT MAINTENANCE, THAT'S EXACTLY THIS WAY.
WE'RE SURE THE PLANTS ARE ALWAYS ALIVE AT EVERY TIME OF THE YEAR.
AND SO YOU HAVE THE POLES FOR THE SUNSHADE.
HOW MANY POLES ARE THERE? UH, THIS IS I THINK ONE, MY NEXT ONE.
FIVE HOLES? NO, SIX, PROBABLY SIX FIVE.
UM, AND, AND SPEAKERS, YOU HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SHOWN? YES.
ARE THOSE LIKE PERMANENTLY IN THE GROUND, OR HOW, HOW DOES, HOW DO THOSE WORK? WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS FOR THAT.
AND, UM, WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THEM PERMANENTLY IN THE GROUND.
UM, WE, IT'S JUST GONNA BE, UM, TIMES TO TIMES BECAUSE THAT WE'RE GONNA GET BACK INSIDE.
BUT IF YOU PREFER, WE CAN, WE CAN ALSO HAVE, THERE, THERE ARE SYSTEMS WHERE WE CAN COVER IT TO HAVE A YEAH.
THE IDEA IS ALSO TO NOT HAVE TO PULL ANY CABLES TO HAVE BLUETOOTH.
UM, IT'S, WE WANTED THEM HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE INTEND TO HAVE SOME OF THAT ATMOSPHERE FLOWING, INCLUDING SOME MUSIC, OBVIOUSLY NOT LOUD, UM, JUST OF THE EXPERIENCE.
WE DON'T WANNA PULL CABLES AND DRILL HOLES AND, YEAH.
HOW TALL IS THAT? HOW TALL IS THE POLE AND THE SHADE SAIL SYSTEM? WHAT'S THE, LIKE THE CLEARANCE HEIGHT UNDERNEATH? I'M JUST GONNA SHOW FOR INSPIRATION AS WELL.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT IT STANDS CLEAR OF ANYONE.
THAT'S PRETTY TALL, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT, WE WANT THE SHADE TO BE ABLE TO, UM, WALK EFFICIENTLY.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY ANYWHERE NEAR EIGHT FEET OR SOMETHING.
IT'S, IT HAVE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE EIGHT.
I WOULD NEVER DO, I'D DO 10, 12, WHATEVER.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT IT TO FEEL OVERWHELMING IF YOU'RE YEAH.
THAT FABRIC IS ALSO, UH, FLEXIBLE.
IT'S ALSO, IT, IT'S INTENDING TO MOVE SLIGHTLY WITH THE WIND.
IT'S WHAT THEY USE IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE.
THAT'S ALSO WHY THIS VISUAL IMPACT WAS BROUGHT TO LIFE.
IT DOESN'T GIVE THAT CONSTRAINT, UH, FEEL.
SO WHEN YOU'RE SITTING UNDER IT'S REFINED AND MOVES SLIGHTLY WITH THE WIND, IT'S, IT'S NOT HARD ON YOU.
AND I SAW UPLIGHTING, IS THERE STILL UPLIGHTING PLAN? I SAW, I SAW A CALL OUT FOR UPLIGHTING THAT WAS THE SCONCES.
OH NO, IT'S IN THE PLAZA AREA.
AND THE PLAN CALLS FOR UPLIGHTING AT THE CORNERS.
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SORRY.AND I'M LOOKING AT SITE PLAN DIAGRAM.
YEAH, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE SPEAKERS.
NO, I THINK THAT'S THE, IT'S, IT'S IF IN CASE WE WANT, 'CAUSE ON THE NIGHT ONE, YOU CAN SEE WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME, UH, LIGHT STRINGS, BUT IF THERE'S SOME IN THE CITY ALREADY, THAT MIGHT BE NOT CLOSE.
UM, BUT THAT'S, YOU CAN SEE TO THE RIGHT SIDE.
IT WAS JUST TO BRING SOME LIGHTING LIMITS AT NIGHT.
WE CAN'T HAVE LIGHTS SHINING STRAIGHT UP ANYWAY, SO.
OH, THOSE WILL, THOSE WILL HAVE TO GO AWAY.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN KIND OF DO.
OVERALL, I LOVE THIS CONCEPT AND LOVE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND I KNOW WE'VE DOVE INTO, DOVE INTO THE DETAILS PRETTY HEAVILY HERE.
UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO RELY HEAVILY ON STAFF TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THIS COMES TO FRUITION.
UM, ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FABRIC COLORS AND THE HEIGHT OF THE POLES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO I'M THINKING, I MEAN, GREAT DISCUSSIONS.
UM, WE'RE JUST GONNA NEED TO RELY HEAVILY ON STAFF TO MAKE SURE THINGS GET IMPLEMENTED AS WE'VE KIND OF DISCUSSED HERE TODAY.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK THE BEST, THE BEST MECHANISM IS? I MEAN, WE APPROVE THIS IN CONCEPT AND KIND OF LET STAFF TAKE THE LEAD WITH THE APPLICANT.
I'M ASKING FOR HELP HERE, I GUESS AS, YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT'D BE APPROPRIATE.
I THINK YOU CAN, UH, PROVE IT IN CONCEPT.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU WANT, THEN LET'S CALL THAT OUT AS SORT OF A CONDITION.
UM, BUT I THINK APPROVE IT IN CONCEPT BECAUSE IT, IT, I MEAN, IT, IT REALLY IS ALL JUST, UH, FRILLS.
SO IT, IT'S GONNA SORT OF TAKE A, UM, ANITE ONSITE OVERVIEW MM-HMM.
KIND OF THING TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COMES TOGETHER.
IT'S NOT LIKE PUTTING BRICKS UP, YOU KNOW, WHERE, SO, UM, I, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
IF I GET IT WRONG, KATHY, WILL, YOU KNOW, I JUST NEED THE MOTION TO BE AS SPECIFIC AS POSSIBLE.
SO AS YOU SO ASTUTELY PREDICTED ON MY PART, I AM EXTREMELY INTERESTED IN THIS FAUX PLANT MATERIAL.
UM, AND I'M, I, I MYSELF AM NOT READY TO APPROVE THAT CONDITIONALLY OR ANYTHING.
I, I'D LIKE THAT TO COME BACK, OR AT LEAST I'D LIKE TO SEE IT.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING AND THAT SORT OF THING FOR ME.
AND I, I AGREE FOR, FOR ME AND FOR STAFF, I THINK WHERE THE PROBLEM'S GONNA COME IS AFTER IT'S BEEN UP A LITTLE WHILE.
THAT, AND, AND WE CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN PREDICT THAT, BUT NO, WE CAN, WE CAN CONDITION THE, THE REVIEW OF IT.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT AHEAD OF TIME, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR THERE? WHAT DOES IT LOOK AND FEEL LIKE INITIALLY? 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN SIX MONTHS IN THE SUN.
SO I SEE IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT GOES IN, WHEN IT GETS INSTALLED, I LIKE KNOW WHAT IT IS WHERE IT'S THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THEN, UM, I THINK WE COULD CONDITION IT CONCEPTUALLY WITH FINAL APPROVAL TO STAFF.
AND STAFF WILL INCLUDE TWO BOARD MEMBERS IN AN ONSITE VIEW.
AND IF ALL THAT, AFTER IT'S INSTALLED PRIOR, WE WILL LOOK AT THE, WE'LL LOOK AT ALL THE MATERIALS AND THEN, UM, IF IT'S NOT UP TO WHAT STAFF FROM THE TWO BOARD MEMBERS THINK, THEN WE BRING IT BACK.
WELL, I'D HATE FOR THEM TO PURCHASE SOMETHING, INSTALL SOMETHING, AND THEN YEAH.
I'M, I'M, I, LET'S LET'S PUSH 'EM.
I MEAN, THEY'VE ALREADY ORDERED SOME SAMPLES, THEY JUST DIDN'T COME.
SO LET, LET'S, LET'S GET 'EM TO, TO GET EVERYTHING ORDERED SAMPLE WISE, GET IT IN AND THEN I DON'T WANT THEM TO PURCHASE IT.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I COME ALONG AND I KNOW GO, NO, NO, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE, UM, ANOTHER ISSUE FOR ME IS THAT, THAT THE TREE THAT'S SHOWN RIGHT THERE YEP.
IT, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT IT LIKE YEAH, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT SUPER GROWN YET.
BE TALL PLANTER AND UM, BE TALL.
YOU KNOW, THE SUN SHADES WOULD NOT, AND THEY, AND THAT UMBRELLA, I MEAN, THEY MAY ALL INTERFERE.
SO I THINK THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY FIND THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK WITH THAT TREATER.
SO, UM, I MEAN, IT'S ABOUT HALF THAT SIZE REALLY.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME ONSITE.
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ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, PUT, PUT A STICK IN THE GROUND AT 10 FOOT, SEE WHERE IT IS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.I MEAN, I DO LOVE THE LOOK OF EVERYTHING, BUT I THINK TO GET, BUT TO GET PAST THIS MEETING, I THINK WE'VE GOTTA HAVE AN IN CONCEPT.
YOU'LL YOU'LL RUN INTO ISSUES BECAUSE AN OUTDOOR PATIO SPACE NEEDS A TREE.
WELL I'M NOT SAYING TAKE DOWN THE TREE.
I'M SAYING I DON'T, THEY MAY HAVE TO REWORK WHERE THEIR SUN SHADES GO OR, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, ARE THERE ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THIS MORNING ON THIS? YOU ONLY, I JUST WANNA COME BACK TO THAT, TO THE SCONCE FOR A MINUTE.
I, I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO GET A FIXTURE AND FOR STAFF TO LOOK AT IT.
'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO TELL SITTING HERE WHAT'S GONNA LOOK RIGHT.
12 INCHES FEEL VERY SMALL TO ME.
I WOULD, I WOULD, IF I WERE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION TO THEM, I WOULD SAY SCALE THAT UP AT LEAST ONE WHEN YOU GET A STANDPOINT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU INSTALL IT, REVIEW IT WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, SITE REVIEW TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS IN SCALE WITH THE BUILDING.
BEFORE THERE IS A MOTION OR ANYTHING, I'M GONNA ASK, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT.
I THINK MR. SWING IS CRAFT ON SOMETHING WE CAN, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GIVE IT A TRY.
UM, AND YOU UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES.
WE NORMALLY WOULD'VE SAMPLES OF ALL OF THIS AND WE DON'T, AND MORE DETAILS AND WE'RE, BUT I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE PARTICULARLY CONCERNED.
I, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA LOOK NICE, IT'S GONNA FEEL GOOD.
IT'S JUST THE DETAILS OF THE COLORS AND EVERYTHING.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO REVIEW SOME OF THAT WITH STAFF, RIGHT? MM-HMM
ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING D RRB 2 6 0 0 0 3, 1 DAY IN PARIS, 35 MILTON AVENUE.
A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS AS PRESENTED TODAY WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE FAUX VINES, THE AWNING, FABRIC UMBRELLAS, SUNSHADE FURNITURE, FABRIC, RUG, AND SCONCES WILL ALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF, UH, POTENTIALLY WITH A SITE REVIEW, INCLUDING A COUPLE OF BOARD MEMBERS, UH, AT THE DISCRETION OF STAFF.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SWAIN, A SECOND BY MR. CORCO.
UM, I'M GONNA ASSUME SOME OF THAT, UM, STAFF REVIEW WILL INCLUDE THE ACCORDION DOORS, MAYBE THE FINISHES ON THE ACCORDION DOORS AND THE NEW DOORS TO MAKE SURE THEY MATCH.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT'D BE FINE.
I, I MEAN, THEY SAID THEY WOULD MATCH AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE THE SAME COLOR.
SO I KIND OF TOOK THAT AS, AS PRESENTED THAT.
THERE'S ALSO NOTHING IN THE MOTION ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF, I'M, I'M ABOUT TO GO THERE WITH A QUESTION FOR THAT.
SO YEAH, IN DISCUSSION WE HAD TALKED ABOUT CONDITIONING, UH, CITY STAFF TO REVIEW, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FAUX MATERIAL AND YOU KNOW, THE SUN SAILS FADING, THAT SORT OF STUFF AT A, I KNOW A ANNUAL BASIS OR, UM, BI-ANNUAL BASIS OR WHATEVER.
UM, BUT THAT IT DIDN'T GET IN THERE.
IT HAS, IT NEEDS TO BE IN THIS MOTION TODAY NOW.
WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE IF IT'S A, IF IT'S AN ANNUAL REVIEW? YEAH, I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT IT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
WOULD YOU FEEL IT'S AN ANNUAL REVIEW? I THINK SO.
THAT, 'CAUSE YOU THINK THAT'S ALL FOUR SEASONS THAT THESE PLANS OF WHATEVER IT WAS PHRASED AS AN ANNUAL REPLACEMENT AT THE DISCRETION OF STAFF, RIGHT? SO THEY COULD GO TO, THEY COULD REPLACE IT ANNUALLY OR THEY COULD GO TO STAFF AND GO, COULD YOU COME REVIEW IT AND TELL ME IF I'M OKAY GETTING BY ANOTHER YEAR WITH THIS? UH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE IMPETUS OF PUTTING A REPLACEMENT ON IT.
I THINK IT JUST NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
'CAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS FOR IT TO FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS, BUT UNLESS HOLLY GOES OUT THERE AND REPORTS THAT, BUT, SO I, I THINK WHERE MR. SW IS GOING IS YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR AN ANNUAL EVERY YEAR COMPLETE SWAP OUT OF THE MATERIAL.
IF IT, IF IT FADES, STARTS LOOKING BAD, THEN YES, THE STAFF GOES OUT THERE AND SAYS, YOU NEED TO REPLACE THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE IT IN THE CONDITIONS.
I MEAN, FRANK SAID, YEAH, SO I THINK AN ANNUAL REVIEW BY STAFF, I, I THINK THAT WOULD, I THINK THAT WOULD GET THE, WITH THE INTENT THAT THE REVIEW IF NEED, IF REPLACEMENT NEEDS, IT GETS REPLACED.
I NEED Y'ALL TO REALLY STATE THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
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COME ON ELLIEALRIGHT, SO I WILL OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
WHY DON'T YOU, OH, WE HAVE TO, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL? DON'T YOU DO THIS SINCE YOU SECONDED THE MOTION, WHICH IS WHY I DID, YES.
MAYBE WE GET ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER TO OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
CAN WE DO THAT MR. CHAIRMAN? I MAKE A, UM, CAN I MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT THE, UM, ITEMS MENTIONED IN THE MOTION GET AN ANNUAL REVIEW BY STAFF AND AWNINGS? WELL, ALL THE, ALL, ALL THE ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE MOTION.
THE, THAT WAS NOT MEANT THE FOAM.
YEAH, NO, IT WAS THE VINES, THE FABRICS, THE SHADES.
AND THE FRONT OR SO ANNUAL, YOU'RE PROPOSING AN ANNUAL REVIEW BY STAFF? CORRECT.
I IN THE MOTION, I'M SORRY, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT, I'M JUST, SORRY, BUT I HAVE TO MAKE SURE, UH, THE, THE FAUX GREENERY WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
IT SAID VINES, THE FAUX VINES.
THAT WAS THAT, THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE.
SO WE HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT DOWN TABLE, SO I GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, BOTH MR. SWING AND MR. CORCO, UM, ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
DO YOU ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? YES.
UM, MR. CORCO, DO YOU ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OFFERED BY MS. PALMER? SURE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR? ALRIGHT, THERE BEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION THAT INCLUDES A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
THE MOTION WITH THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO OPEN? END OF FEBRUARY.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, LET'S SEE.
ANYBODY NEED A BREAK? OKAY, JUST, OKAY.
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SO COME ON DOWN AND GET READY TO GET GOING HERE.
ALRIGHT, LET'S GET STARTED WITH OUR NEXT APPLICANT.
MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, UH, NAME AND ADDRESS, AND THEN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKAGE THIS MORNING, PLEASE.
UH, MY NAME IS BRANDON ROBINSON.
UH, WE ARE THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM WORKING ON THE BROOKSIDE VILLAGE, UH, MULTIFAMILY BUILDING, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY OR A PART OF WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY.
UH, WE PRESENTED ON DECEMBER 19TH, 2025, UH, AND GOT A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL.
UH, TWO OF THOSE CONDITIONS WERE ARCHITECTURALLY RELATED.
UH, SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO BASICALLY TALK ABOUT THOSE TWO CONDITIONS IN THE HOPES OF GETTING A FINAL APPROVAL FOR THE BUILDING.
UH, SO I'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN.
WE ALSO HAVE CLAYTON HERE REPRESENTING PORTMAN ITSELF.
I'M SORRY, WHO? I'M CLAYTON SHEIK AND MIKE PORTMAN.
ALRIGHT, UH, SO FIRST IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN CASE YOU DON'T REMEMBER.
UH, THIS IS THE SITE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WHICH IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
IT INCLUDES AN EXISTING OFFICE, UH, A HANDFUL OF RETAIL AND THE MULTIFAMILY
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BUILDING ITSELF.UH, TODAY WE ARE PRETTY MUCH JUST TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH FACADE OF THE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING THAT IS FACING OLD OLD MILTON PARKWAY.
WHICH, UH, WHICH ONE IS THAT BY THE WAY? UH, THAT'S, UH, BASICALLY, UH, THIS, THIS AREA UP HERE ON THE NORTH, UH, FROM, FROM BASICALLY THE NORTHWEST CORNER THAT'S FACING THE PARKS, EXCUSE ME, THE NORTHWEST CORNER THAT'S FACING THE PARK ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER, WHICH IS CLOSEST TO THE INTERSECTION, UH, WITH BROOKSIDE VILLAGE OR BROOKSIDE PARKWAY.
UH, AGAIN, UH, JUST REHASHING WHAT WAS BEFORE, THESE ARE S RENDERINGS OF WHAT WE HAD PRESENTED IN DECEMBER.
UH, THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS THAT THIS FELT A LITTLE TOO LARGE, A LITTLE TOO MASSIVE, UH, AND THERE WAS A DESIRE TO SEE IT BROKEN UP A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UH, SO MOVING ON, UH, TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY, UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DID IS TOOK THE MODULE OF THE TOWN HOMES, WHICH EVERYONE HERE, UH, APPRECIATED, UH, AND PULLED IT INTO THAT LARGER SCALE BUILDING IN ORDER TO BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UH, SO WE'VE INTRODUCED AGAIN, THAT SORT OF THREE BAY AT THIS POINT.
NOT QUITE ROWHOUSE SCALE BECAUSE IT'S GOING FULL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, BUT DEFINITELY SMALLER SCALE KIND OF, UH, URBAN, UH, ROW HOUSE, UH, FACADES THAT MARCHED DOWN, UH, ROUGHLY HALFWAY DOWN THE LENGTH OF THAT LARGER PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN WE ARE STILL PROPOSING TO HOLD ON TO A LARGER LENGTH OF THE BUILDING ON THE, UH, BROOKSIDE PARKWAY SIDE.
UH, SO THAT THE BROOKSIDE VILLAGE SIGNAGE THERE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING DOESN'T FEEL DISPROPORTIONATELY LARGE TO THE BUILDING IT'S SITTING ON.
UM, OUR GOAL IS TO USE THE MATERIALS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED AND AND APPROVED, AND WE HAVE THEM HERE IF YOU NEED TO OR WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.
UH, SO WE'RE NOT INTRODUCING ANY NEW MATERIALS.
UH, THE, THE, THE TWO, UH, BRICKS IN THE RED BRICK OR BROWN BRICK FACADE WILL BE A COMBINATION OF THE DARKER, UH, GRAY BLACK BRICKS AND METAL PANEL ABOVE.
UH, SO IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, LANGUAGE FROM WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE, ON THE NORTH FACADE.
WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT PULLING THE TOWN HOME LANGUAGE INTO THAT LARGER BUILDING FELT RIGHT.
UH, SO INSTEAD WE KIND OF PULLED SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE USING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, A LOT OF THE BRICK DETAILS ARE SIMILAR.
ANOTHER THING THAT YOU CAN'T QUITE TELL FROM THESE RENDERINGS, I'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
UH, WELL HERE YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
WE'RE ALSO TO HELP DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THOSE.
UH, TWO, UH, STYLISTIC FRONTAGES IS THE, THE RED BRICK FACADES ARE MAINTAINING THE, UM, THE LIT GRIDS, THE MULIAN PATTERNS, UH, THE MU PATTERNS.
UH, AND WE'RE USING THE, UH, MORE CONTEMPORARY WITHOUT, UM, LIT BUTTON PATTERN WINDOWS AND DOORS ON THOSE PAUSES BETWEEN THEM.
SO, UH, AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE, UH, WINDOW AND DOORS THAT WE'RE USING ON THE TOWN HOME SIDE.
WHEN YOU SAY PAUSES, YOU'RE MEANING KIND OF A RECESSED AREA, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I MEAN THE RECESS, THE THREE BAY RECESSED AREAS, YOU'RE CORRECT.
YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE USING THAT THEME FROM THE, IS IT THE TOWN HOME PORTION? CORRECT.
AND, AND THAT SORT OF TIES INTO OUR ORIGINAL IDEA OF THOSE RED BRICK BUILDINGS FEELING LIKE THEY'RE, THE OLDER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE AND THE REST OF THIS BUILDING, INCLUDING THE TOWN HOME PORTION, HAVE ALL KIND OF COME UP IN INFILL AROUND THEM.
UH, SO WE REALLY LIKE THE IDEA THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE, UM, PLAYING AN HOMAGE TO A MORE INDUSTRIAL FEEL, AN OLDER FEEL.
AND THE, THE NEWER WINDOWS ARE JUST COMING IN AND ARE THE SIMILAR SIZES AND SHAPES, BUT ARE ESSENTIALLY, UH, LESS BUSY, MORE, MORE CONTEMPORARY.
WELL, I CERTAINLY THINK THIS HELPS.
UM, UH, AS I MENTIONED DURING THE DECEMBER MEETING, THAT PART OF THE ELEVATION WAS VERY MONOTONOUS.
I KNOW YOU WANTED IT INDUSTRIAL, BUT IT JUST GOT TO BE MAYBE TOO MUCH INDUSTRIAL.
SO THIS HELPS BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
KINDA KEEPS IT STILL AN INDUSTRIAL FEEL LOOK, BUT GIVES IT SOME ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERS AT THE SAME TIME.
ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS THE OLD MILTON PARKWAY ELEVATION AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE THIS EVERY DAY OR MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UH, AND WE FEEL THIS, THIS IS STILL VERY IN KEEPING WITH OUR ORIGINAL INTENT, SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH IT AS WELL.
UM, MOVING THROUGH THE PACKAGE, UH, THIS IS THE ELEVATIONS.
SO THIS WERE THE, UH, PART ONE AND PART TWO ELEVATIONS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION.
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UH, THIS MIGHT BE NEW, THIS, UH, PRESENTATION.WELL, BRETT, I, I DON'T KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE SHARED THIS WITH THEM ALREADY.
UM, SO THE, THE PART ONE IS THE LARGER ELEVATION THAT'S ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHAT, UH, YOU HAD ISSUE WITH IN DECEMBER.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WE'VE TAKEN THAT THREE BAY MODULE AND PULLED IT FROM THE TOWN HOME SIDE ACROSS INTO THIS BUILDING IN ORDER TO BREAK IT UP.
SO WE HAVE THIS THREE BAY MODULE BASICALLY MARCHING ACROSS UNTIL WE GET TO THE LARGER PORTION THAT TURNS INTO, UH, WHAT IS OUR PRIVATE STREET, A, WHERE WE HAVE THE BROOKSIDE VILLAGE SIGNAGE AND THE BEGINNING OF OUR RETAIL.
AND AGAIN, YOU HAVEN'T CHANGED NECESSARILY MATERIALS CORRECT ON THAT.
WE HAVE NOT CHANGED MATERIALS.
THE THE HYPHENS, THE, THE RECESS PORTIONS ARE, ARE AGAIN, ARE, ARE JUST USING THE DARKER BRICK.
WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND HOLD THAT UP FOR US JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A REFERENCE.
YOU CAN HAVE CLAYTON HOLD THAT UP FOR YOU WHILE, WHILE YOU TALK
UH, SO, SO THOSE HYPHENS ARE BASICALLY USING THAT DARKER BRICK, UH, WHICH WILL, WILL HOPEFULLY BE NICELY, WE KNOW WE'LL PLAY NICELY, UH, WITH THE RED BRICK, UH, AND DARK METAL THAT WE'RE USING IN THE, IN THE MORE INDUSTRIAL PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
UH, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING THAT TOP FLOOR TO HELP DIFFERENTIATE IT.
AGAIN, THE TOP FLOOR OF THOSE RECESSED PORTIONS WILL BE A, A METAL PANEL, UH, AGAIN, A DARK COLOR.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WE WANT ALL OF THOSE NON BRICK MATERIALS TO KIND OF BECOME BACKGROUND ELEMENTS, UH, BUT TO HELP BREAK UP THAT SCALE.
SO YOU STILL GET THAT READ, UH, FROM A MASONRY STANDPOINT OF FIVE STORIES, FOUR STORIES, FIVE STORIES, FOUR STORIES.
SO IT HELPS VISUALLY BREAK IT UP AS WELL.
IT'S NOT JUST, UH, A MATERIAL CHANGE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND THEN ARE, I DIDN'T REALLY REALIZE NOW DO ALL THE, THE B ARE THERE BALCONIES, ARE THOSE ACTIVE BALCONIES NOW? YES.
IN THOSE THREE BAY AREAS? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE WHERE THEY WEREN'T BEFORE, CORRECT? UH, NO.
WE ALWAYS HAD, THEY, THEY MOVED AROUND A LITTLE BIT
UH, IN ORDER TO, TO BE ABLE TO BREAK UP THE FACADE THIS WAY AND, AND KEEP A RHYTHM ON THE FACADE, THEY DID MOVE.
UH, BUT THE INTENT IS TO, IS TO BASICALLY PUT A BALCONY AT THE CENTER OF EACH OKAY.
UH, AND THEY ARE ALL USABLE AND THE, THE LOWEST FLOOR IS, IS ALSO A WALKUP.
SO THOSE LOWEST FLOORS ARE GETTING DIRECT ACCESS TO TWO GRADE.
IT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND IT BETTER.
UH, SO THE REST OF THIS PRESENTATION BASICALLY GOES IN CONDITION NUMBER TWO, WHICH WAS A QUESTION ABOUT BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU GET THERE, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ELEVATION, MATERIALS OR ANYTHING BOARD MEMBERS? NO, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IMPROVEMENT OVER THE, OVER THE PRIOR.
SO THE, THE SECOND CONDITION WAS, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT THE VENTS AND HOW WE WERE GONNA HANDLE THE FENCE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WEREN'T A MESS
UH, THAT'S ONE OF OUR LESSONS LEARNED.
IT'S, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CONSTANTLY THINK ABOUT, UH, AND IS CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS, UM, ARCHITECTURALLY AS WELL.
SO WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, OUR APPROACH ON THIS PROJECT WAS WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THEM, WE KNEW THERE WERE GONNA BE A LOT OF THEM, SO WE DECIDED TO JUST MAKE THEM A PART OF THE LANGUAGE ON FACADE.
SO WE ARE LINING THEM UP WITH THE WINDOWS.
ANOTHER THING THAT WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT BACK IN DECEMBER WAS WE REALLY WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THE VERTICALITY OF THE BUILDING.
UH, SO ALL OF THE FENESTRATION AND DOORS ARE LINING UP ALL THE BALCONIES AND WE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE BRICK PIERS.
WE WANTED THE BRICK PIERS TO STAY INTACT, UH, AGAIN, TO REINFORCE THE ITY OF THIS BUILDING, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, TO REDUCE THE, THE VISUAL LENGTH OF THE BUILDING.
UH, AND SO WE'RE USING THE VENTS IN THE SAME WAY.
WE'RE LINING THEM UP WITH ALL THE FENESTRATION, UH, IN ORDER TO EMPHASIZE THAT VERTICALITY.
AND THEN THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T WANT THE VENTS TO DRAW A TON OF ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES.
SO WHAT THE, AND BRETT MENTIONED THIS, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY PAINTED.
SO THERE ISN'T A MAINTENANCE OR WEAR AND TEAR CONCERN.
THE PRODUCT IS ACTUALLY A COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT'S DYED DURING MANUFACTURING TO A CUSTOM COLOR.
UH, SO THE INTENT IS THAT ALL OF THOSE CUSTOM COLOR VENTS, UH, WILL MATCH THE MATERIAL THAT THEY'RE SITTING IN, WHETHER IT'S BRICK, METAL PANEL FIBER, CEMENT,
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AND I HAVE SOME IMAGES IN THIS PRESENTATION OF SOME SUCCESSFUL COMPLETED PROJECTS THAT ARE DOING THAT.SO, UH, TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE, ALTHOUGH FULL DISCLAIMER, THOSE PROJECTS DON'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THIS PROJECT.
UH, SO THAT'S THE GENERAL INTENT.
UH, AS WE MOVE TO THIS NEXT IMAGE, THIS IS REALLY JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT WE INTENDED.
UH, THIS RENDERING ACTUALLY HAS THE VENTS ADDED.
UH, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THAT A, THAT THEY'RE ALL MATCHING THE MATERIALS THAT THEY'RE IN.
AND ALSO THAT BY LINING THEM UP THE WAY WE ARE, UH, THEY BECOME LESS OFFENSIVE.
UH, THEY'RE NOT JARRING WHEN YOU SEE THEM.
UH, I CAN COME BACK TO ANY OF THESE IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THEM.
AND THEN THIS, UH, SLIDE IS REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT CUSTOM COLOR.
SO THE IMAGE ON THE TOP LEFT IS LITERALLY RIGHT OUT OF THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING MARKETING LITERATURE, UH, ABOUT THEIR COLOR MATCHING.
UH, AND THEN THE IMAGES ON THE RIGHT ARE JUST PROJECTS REALLY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, UH, THAT ARE USING THIS PRODUCT IN, IN MY OPINION, FA FAIRLY SUCCESSFULLY.
UM, THE ONE ON THE TOP LEFT THERE, UH, IS SHOWING THE PRODUCTS MATCHING BRICK, WHICH IS KIND OF ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OURS WILL BE DOING.
UH, BUT ALSO THE, UH, THE REST OF THE IMAGES ARE ALSO SHOWING THAT PRODUCT IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COLORED PANEL MATERIALS TO JUST SHOW THAT IT CAN BE DONE.
UH, AND THAT'S REALLY IT
AND, AND THESE VENTS, THEY'RE ON ALL FACADES REALLY, RIGHT? THEY ARE, YES SIR.
THEY, THEY'RE NOT ON ANY OF THE RETAIL STUFF, OBVIOUSLY NOT ON RETAIL, YEAH.
BUT, BUT THEY WILL BE ON ALL THE RESIDENTIAL FRONTS.
SO THE VENTS ARE FOR PRIMARILY THE, UM, UH, THE DRYER VENT? CORRECT.
THEY, OR THEY'RE CHECKING THREE BOXES FOR US ACTUALLY.
THEY'RE ALSO, UH, AIR INTAKE FOR MECHANICAL VENTILATION AND THEY'RE ALSO EXHAUST FOR KITCHEN AND BATHROOMS. SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE GETTING GANGED UP BEHIND THESE VENTS, UH, AND STRATEGICALLY PLACED ALONG THE FACADE.
UH, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO BE VERY PURPOSEFUL ABOUT WHERE THEY LANDED ON THE FACADE BECAUSE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY TAKING ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT UNIT TYPES AND STANDARDIZING HOW THEY HIT AND MARRY UP WITH THE EXTERIOR FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
WHY DON'T YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE HAND DRAW OR THE, THE ELEVATION THAT SHOWS THERE YOU GO.
SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE SHOWING IN THE LIGHTER BRICK AREA ABOVE EACH OF THE WINDOWS.
YOU'VE GOT ONE, I'LL SAY ONE EXHAUST FAN IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT.
AND THAT'S COVERING ALL THREE OF THOSE ACTIVITIES, CORRECT? WELL, IT'S, IT'S WHY WE HAVE A VENT AT EACH, EACH VERTICAL FENESTRATION BAND.
UH, SO TYPICALLY IF THE VENT IS LOCATED OVER A DOOR, IT'S AN INTAKE.
THAT'S, AND IF IT'S LOCATED OVER A WINDOW, IT'S PROVIDING A, A DUAL PURPOSE OF EXHAUST, WHETHER IT'S DRYER OR, UM, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE SHAPE OF THAT PRODUCT, UM, WHICH
UH, AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE AGAIN, WE JUST WANT ONE VERY REPEATABLE UNIFORM THING ON THE FACADE.
AND TO HAVE ALL THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT DUCK SIZES LANDING ON THE BACK OF IT, UH, BE WHAT THEY NEED TO BE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU WEREN'T TRYING TO STACK A COUPLE OF THESE NEXT TO EACH OTHER TO GET THE INTAKE AND THE EXHAUST DONE.
THERE, FULL DISCLOSURE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS WHERE WE DO HAVE TWO SIDE BY SIDE, UH, BUT THEY ARE CENTERED OVER THE DOORS.
UH, AND THEY'RE USUALLY INTAKES WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO SERVE, UH, BOTH THE UNIT'S INTAKE AS WELL AS A COMMON AREA INTAKE OF SOME TYPE OR ANOTHER TYPICALLY CORRIDOR.
UM, MOST OF THOSE ARE NOT IN PROMINENT LOCATIONS.
UH, THEY'RE USUALLY ON INSIDE CORNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OF THE BUILDING.
ACTUALLY I CAN, HOW MANY WOULD YOU SAY YOU HAVE THOSE INSTANCES? I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT, WHAT, 300 UNITS I GUESS? THEREABOUTS? YEAH, NO, IN, IN THE WHOLE BUILDING WE ONLY HAVE FIVE OF THOSE PER FLOOR.
UH, SO AGAIN, IF WE'RE LOOKING WHOOPS, WENT TOO FAR.
THERE'S A, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME CAREFUL THOUGHT ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE YEAH.
SO ON THIS PLAN, UH, THEY'RE BASICALLY AT THE INSIDE CORNER.
SO WE HAVE THEM IN THE COURTYARD, WHICH HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS WON'T CARE TOO MUCH ABOUT.
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UH, WE HAVE THEM UP ON THE UPPER FLOORS AGAIN, ON INSIDE CORNERS WHERE THEY CAN BE SORT OF TIGHT TO A BALCONY OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU WON'T NECESSARILY SEE.YOU, YOU'VE GOT A PATTERN LANGUAGE HERE THAT WORKS VERY WELL.
OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THIS MORNING? ANYBODY? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
DOES SOMEBODY WANNA CRAFT A MOTION? YOU'VE GOT THE, UH, THE NORTHERN EXTERIOR ELEVATION AND THE VENTING SOLUTION.
ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING DRB 2 5 0 0 3 9, PORTLAND RESIDENTIAL MOTION TO APPROVE THE NORTH FACADE ELEVATION OF MATERIALS AND THE PROPOSED VENTING SOLUTION AS PRESENTED IN THE MOTION.
A MOTION BY MR. SCH SWING A SECOND BY MR. CORCO.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE BEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.
OKAY, OUR NEXT APPLICANT THIS MORNING IS MAYFAIR AT HAYNES BRIDGE.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS WHILE THE APPLICANT GETS SET UP.
SO WE'LL TAKE A RECESS, BUT COME ON UP, GO AHEAD AND GET SET UP FOR US AND WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE BACK IN FIVE MINUTES.
OKAY, LET'S, UM, LET'S END OUR RECESS AND GET STARTED WITH
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AND THAT WILL BE MAYFAIR AT HAYNES BRIDGE.
LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE, AND, UH, IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, NAME AND ADDRESS, AND THEN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR PACKET TODAY, PLEASE.
SEE EVERYONE SINCE I'VE BEEN IN HERE.
IS THAT BETTER? DO YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT AGAIN, SIR, MY NAME? I KNOW
UM, I WILL SAY THAT WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY INSPIRATIONAL, UH, UH, TWO APPLICANTS AGO FOR, UH, ONE IN PARIS, SO THAT WAS REALLY COOL TO SEE THAT.
SO, UM, I WAS ASKED, UM, UH, TO STAND IN FOR CASEY HILL, WHO'S OUR BUILDER.
HE COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE TODAY, SO, UH, A LATE, UH, A LATE HANDOFF, UM, UM, WITH BASICALLY, UM, YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE INTERSECTION OF, OF, UM, DEVORE ROAD AND HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD, WHICH IS NOW BEING CALLED MAYFAIR AT HAYNES.
AND IF YOU ALL CAN JOKINGLY SLIGHTLY, WE HAVE MAYFAIR ON MAIN, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF DEVORE AT THE INTERSECTION OF DEVORE AND MAIN STREET, MAYFAIR HAYES.
UM, SO JUST LITERALLY SORT OF THROUGH THAT EXTENSION, THAT WAS THE GENERAL CONCEPT THERE.
SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
UM, AND THIS, THIS WILL ULTIMATELY IN ONE OF THE, UM, I BELIEVE HOLLY, YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING, MS. PALMER, I BELIEVE YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING REGARDING, UM, THE, UM, SIZE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT WAS REPRESENTED.
THE 17 HOMES THAT WERE ON THERE, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL 10 HOME EXTENSION THAT WAS ADDED TO THE COMMUNITY ON THE SITE PLAN.
UM, AND SO WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED WAS THE INITIAL 17, UM, AND THEY WILL RUN THROUGH.
SO I'M GONNA JUST PULL UP THE SITE PLAN AND I APOLOGIZE, I WILL FIND IT.
UM, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, UM, IS THIS ALL UP THERE? OKAY, GREAT.
IT EXTENDS DOWN HERE AND WE COULD PULL IT UP IF YOU'D LIKE ON GOOGLE.
I CAN SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHERE THAT EXTENSION GOES TO IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, CAN YOU ALL SEE THIS HERE? OKAY, SO, UM, IT IS, IT, IT, THIS IS RIGHT HERE, DEVORE AND WHERE IT CONNECTS IN, IT GOES NOW ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HERE, THE CURRENT SITE PLAN STOPS RIGHT HERE.
THERE WAS ADDITIONAL, UM, FEW ACRES THAT WERE ADDED, UM, TO IT FOR PHASE, UH, FOR PHASE TWO.
THAT PHASE TWO IS ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS BEHIND.
UM, BUT AS A CONDITION WITH CITY COUNCIL, UM, AND WITH OUR LDP, UM, THEY ARE CONJOINED AND IT IS NOW, UM, ALL ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED, I'LL GO BACK HERE TO THE SITE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THE WAY THAT WE'VE GOT BOTH PLAN ONE, ELEVATION C, PLAN ONE, ELEVATION D, AND THEN IT SORT OF RUNS DOWN THE DIFFERENT PLAN TYPES.
WE'RE BASICALLY GONNA BE RUNNING THE SAME SORT OF SEQUENCE DOWN FOR THE REMAINING, UM, 10 HOMES, ALL OF WHICH ARE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, ALL OF WHICH CONFORM, UM, TO THE GUIDELINES THAT WAS OUTLINED THROUGH FOR CITY COUNCIL.
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WITH THAT, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS IN SORT OF THE WORK THAT CAME UP, THESE ARE A WATERCOLOR RENDER TO GIVE MASSING, UM, IN GENERAL FEEL AND CONCEPT OF WHERE THE CORNER OF DEVORE, LEMME JUST EXTEND THIS UP, UM, WHERE THE CORNER OF DEVORE IN HANES BRIDGE WOULD, WOULD INTERSECT.AND I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS, IS THIS IS WATERCOLOR.
UM, AND I THOUGHT, UM, I THOUGHT THAT THE ARCHITECTS DID A GREAT JOB GIVING A WATERCOLOR DESIGN AS YOU CAN SORT OF SEE HERE.
AND THESE ARE FROM THE ACTUAL PLANS THAT ARE, UM, BEING CONTEMPLATED AND OR GOING TO BE BUILT.
AND THEN AS WE RAN THROUGH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT MATERIALS, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT NOW YOU'VE GOT, UM, MORE CONSISTENT NOW SORT OF GOING FROM WATERCOLOR, UM, INTO A MORE CONCRETE DESIGN.
UM, I HAVE A HABIT OF LOOKING LEFT, MR. I'M SORRY, I'LL LOOK RIGHT TOO.
UM, BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS, IS THE DIFFERENT, UM, UM, HOME PLANS NOTICE AT THE TOP HERE, LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX AND THEN AS YOU LOOK IN LOTS SEVEN THROUGH 13 AND THEN ULTIMATELY LOTS 14 THROUGH 17 AND THAT SAME PATTERN WILL THEN CONTINUE DOWN, UH, THROUGH HOMES, THE REMAINING HOMES BEING HOME 18 THROUGH 27.
SO, UM, TRADITIONALLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL IT'S ONE OF MY FIRST DRB FOR RESIDENTIAL, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE COMMERCIAL WE TYPICALLY WOULD ROLL IN WITH ALL KINDS OF BOARDS AND MATERIALS.
AND MR. CORCO, I KNOW YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FEELING CERTAIN THINGS ON THE LAST, UM, SO FOR THIS, I HOPE THAT THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED PROPERLY.
UM, A CLASSIC STUDIO WAS OUR ARCHITECT OF RECORD.
AND WE WERE WORKING WITH MAIN STREET, UM, ON OUR FLOOR PLANS AND ACTUAL CDS.
SO, UM, THIS WAS ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS PACKAGED UP, UM, BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES OF DRB.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING THIS.
WHAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING US MONITOR.
SO YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO KIND OF HELP WALK US THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO, AND IF YOU LOOK AT, LET ME CLOSE THIS DOWN HERE.
I ALMOST WISH WE COULD HAVE DUAL SCREENS,
I HAVE 'EM UP HERE TOO BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE HOMES ARE LISTED ONE THROUGH RIGHT.
17 OR 23 OR WHATEVER IT IS, SO YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO, SO ULTIMATELY LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX, WHICH SORT OF RUN THROUGH, YOU'LL NOTICE HERE PLAN ONE THIS PLAN ONE, YOU SEE THESE HERE, JUST MAKE SURE WITH MY CURSOR RIGHT HERE.
SO THOSE ARE THE SIX, THOSE ARE ONE THROUGH SIX THEN IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES SIR.
UM, WHICH IS NOW WHAT YOU'LL SEE BEING HERE, WHICH ARE LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX.
UM, THESE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE OLIVER SKETCH PLANT THAT WAS DONE AT CITY COUNCIL AND THEN ULTIMATELY COMING THROUGH WITH NOW MORE SPECIFICITY WITH PARTICULAR MATERIALS, COLORS, ROOF, WINDOWS, YOU'LL NOTICE, UM, YOU KNOW, COPPER, COPPER LIGHTING, WINDOW TYPES, BRICK TYPES, ET CETERA.
AND THOSE WILL THEN FOLLOW SUIT.
AND I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW IS, IS THAT WE HAVE UM, FOUR DIFFERENT ROOF TYPES, UM, THREE METALLIC ROOF TYPES.
SO, UM, THIS WILL BE A VERY, VERY ECLECTIC, UM, CONSORTIUM AND AMALGAMATION OF HOMES RUNNING ACROSS THROUGH ELEVATION AND MATERIAL TYPE.
I JUST TRIED TO FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW WE CAN PROVE THAT, HOW WE LOOKING.
SO LOOKING AT LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX.
AND THIS IS THE COLOR BOARD PAGE.
ISN'T PAGE FIVE OF YOURS JASON? ISN'T THAT SORT OF THE WHOLE SITE? OH IS IT AS FAR AS MATERIALS? H FIVE? YES, THIS IS, THANK YOU.
SO, SO THAT'S A KIND OF A VIEW OF HOW EVERYTHING MIGHT WORK TOGETHER YET.
AND THEN HE IS GOT INDIVIDUALIZED SORT OF LOT GROUPS.
THAT'S A GREAT, BUT I LIKE THIS, I LIKE THAT THEY DID THIS PLAN AS SORT OF THIS, THIS IS THE SUBDIVISION.
WELL THE OTHER, THE OTHER ONE HAD A A, A BREEZY FRONT DOOR PAINT OPTION THAT'S NOT LISTED ON HERE.
I WAS JUST SAYING ON THE OTHER PAGE YOU HAD ANOTHER FRONT DOOR PAINT RIGHT THERE THAT BREEZY ON THE BOTTOM.
OKAY, SO MAYBE NOT ALL OF THE COLORS ARE ON THAT FIRST PAGE.
SORRY, I'M LITERALLY, UM, THIS IS CALLED THE STAND IN.
SO, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, FROM THE DESIGN TEAM IS THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO CAPTURE, UM, ALL OF THE COMPONENTS ON THIS MAJOR PAGE.
AS, AS BRETT HAD INDICATED, AS WE GET INTO INDIVIDUALS, YOU WILL NOTICE SOME SLIGHT VARIATIONS IN ORDER TO CREATE
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A DIFF UM, DIFFERENT AESTHETICS.AND I DO LIKE THE BREEZING COLOR.
SO THIS, THIS PAGE IS LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX.
PARDON ME? I I'M I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU, YOU'RE SHOWING TWO DIFFERENT RENDERINGS.
WE ARE, BUT THERE'S SIX DIFFERENT HOMES.
SO CITY COUNCIL REQUIRED A MINIMUM OF SIX ELEVATIONS ACROSS.
SO IF YOU'LL NOTICE WE HAVE TWO.
TWO, I SEE WE HAVE TWO, THREE AND TWO.
AS WE RUN THROUGH HERE, HERE ARE THREE OTHERS AND HERE ARE TWO.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TOTAL OF SEVEN ELEVATIONS BEING SHOWN THAT ARE CONSISTENT NOW.
SO, SO LIKE FOR ONE LAST ONE THROUGH SIX, YOU'RE REPEATING THESE TWO IS, I'M SORRY, IF YOU GO BACK, BACK TO THAT SIDE PLAN, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SIDE PLAN WHERE YOU HAVE PLAN A ONE PLAN, YEAH.
DO YOU WANT TO, UH, TALK THROUGH THESE HERE? IT MIGHT HELP ACTUALLY DO HAVE THE EXPERTS HERE.
SO I'M AMANDA BLUE, I'M ON MAIN STREET DESIGN.
WE'RE DOING THE, THE UM, ELEVATION AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT WORK FOR THEM.
UM, IT'S 30 50, UH, ROYAL BOULEVARD SOUTH SUITE 1 35 IN ALFREDO.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M LOSING MY VOICE THIS MORNING.
UM, WE'RE DOING THE SAME PLAN, BUT WE DO HAVE FOUR ELEVATION VARIATIONS.
SO THE TWO THAT ARE RENDERED, UM, ARE TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE CON CONCEPTUAL OF HOW THAT'S GONNA COME TOGETHER WITH MATERIALS.
AND THEN CAN YOU GET TO THE BLACK LINE SHEET? I SURE CAN.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO, SO YOU'LL START TO SEE, UM, WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS ON THOSE SIX LOTS, SO YOU'LL GET A VARIETY THERE.
AND SO YOU WILL GET REPEATED WITH DIFFERENT MATERIALS, DIFFERENT COLOR PALETTES, AND THEN WE CAN EVEN CHANGE UP SLIGHTLY SOME OF THE DETAILING.
BUT THE MASSING WOULD BE THE SAME.
WHAT, WHICH, SORRY? WHICH WHICH ONES ARE ONE THROUGH SIX, DID YOU SAY AGAIN? IS THAT THE DEVORE? YEAH, ONE THROUGH SIX ARE ON DEVORE.
AND AND IT TURNS THE CORNER ONTO HAYNES BRIDGE, RIGHT? THERE'S YES.
THAT LAST ONE THAT TURNS THE CORNER.
THE LAST, THERE'S ONE THAT TURNS ON THE HA.
OKAY, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT FRONT OF THE ELEVATIONS ELEVATION A.
ALRIGHT, CAN YOU, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH HERE.
CAN YOU SHOW US ON THE SITE PLAN AGAIN WHERE, WHICH ONE IS THE, THIS IS MAC.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO YOU CAN JUST CLICK BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
SO I SEE, SO PLAN ONE ELEVATION A WOULD BE HERE.
AND THIS ONE AT THE CORNER BEFORE WE TURN THE CORNER ON THE HAYNES BRIDGE.
I DUNNO IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR.
AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THAT ELEVATION, WHICH IS HERE.
AMANDA, DO YOU HAVE THE ELEVATION? WHAT IS THAT? DON SCOTT WHO? JOHN SCOTT.
QUITE HOLLY, JOHN SCOTT WOULD BE THIS ELEVATION.
SO YEAH, THE, SO THAT CORNER, SO THE, THE ELEVATION THAT FACES THE STREET AND THEN THE ELEVATION THAT FACES THE ENTRY, IF YOU'LL YES.
WHICH ARE THOSE TWO? CAN WE LOOK AT THOSE TWO REAL QUICK? AND, AND AS YOU'RE YOU, AS YOU JUST STATED, THIS IS THE ENTRY INTO THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THAT ELEVATION WOULD BE HERE.
SO WHICH ONE FACES THE STREET A, WHICH ONE FACES WOULD THE STREET, THE FRONT, I MEAN MM-HMM
SO WHICH ONE FACES JOHN SCOTT? SO THIS ELEVATION IS THE FRONT.
AND THEN THE RIGHT ELEVATION FACES THE ENTRY DRIVE.
THIS WOULD BE YOUR ENTRY DRIVE.
AND WE HAVE TWO VARIATIONS OF THAT.
WE DID AN ALL BRICK VERSION, UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE SAME FRONT ELEVATION WITH MORE SIDING, WHICH DOES GIVE US THE ABILITY TO KIND OF TAKE THAT SAME PLAN AND BUILD IT TWICE WITH A VARIATION ON IT.
SO WE COULD DO ONE THAT'S MORE FOUR-SIDED BRICK, ONE THAT THE BRICK CHANGES CORNERS AT AN INSIDE CORNER AND WE DO SWITCH TO SIDING.
GIVES YOU MORE COLOR VARIATION.
SO THAT'S SORT OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS THERE.
SO WHO DID, WHO MAKES THAT DETERMINATION ON WHETHER IT'S A OR A TO ELEVATION? WE CAN MAKE THAT RIGHT NOW.
YOU DO THAT OR DOES THE HOMEOWNER DO THAT OR THE OWNER, THE PURCHASER DO THAT? WE WOULD DO THAT.
SO IF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE ON WHAT YOU WANNA SEE, WE WOULD DO THAT NOW.
MR. S SWING, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE CONDITIONS.
SO I'M GONNA READ ALL OF THE CONDITIONS REALLY QUICK THAT INVOLVE DRB AND IT'S ONE, AND IT SAYS THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE AT LEAST EIGHT ELEVATIONS ALL SUBJECT TO DRV APPROVAL.
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OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONDITION.AND WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING, JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, THERE ARE EIGHT IN HERE.
UM, THERE ARE SEVEN ON THE UM, UM, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE THING? WE SUBMITTED THE RENDERING.
UM, AS ON THE BLACK AND WHITES.
SO I THINK BASICALLY WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT WAS THEY HAD 17 HOMES.
WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE REPETITION, TWO OF THEM OVER REPEAT SORT OF THING KIND OF THING.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED EIGHT INDIVIDUAL LOOKS.
TWITCH WILL JUST CONTINUE OVER.
YEAH, SAME THING JUST TO CORRECT.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY CONDITION OUT OF THE 27 THAT HAS DRV.
THERE'S LOTS OF STUFF IN THERE FOR STAFF
SO JUST THE RUN THROUGH KIND OF HOW WE HANDLE THE ELEVATIONS ON LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX.
UM, WE HAVE FOUR ELEVATIONS ON THE LOTS THAT FACE HAYNES BRIDGE, WE HAVE FIVE ELEVATIONS.
AND THEN ON THE INTERIOR LOTS, WE HAVE THREE ELEVATIONS.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY PROVIDING ABOVE WHAT, UH, THE COUNCIL WAS ASKING FOR.
AND THAT'S JUST FOR IN OUR MIND WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR REPETITION.
SO YOUR EIGHT, YOUR EIGHT ARE, YOU HAVE PLAN ONE AND PLAN TWO, AND FOR EACH OF THOSE YOU HAVE A, B, C, D.
SO IS THAT HOW WE GET THE EIGHT ELEVATIONS? ABSOLUTELY.
PLAN ONE, A, B, C, D, PLAN TWO.
AND THERE'S, IT'S A, B, C, D, E.
AND THEN YOU HAVE AN E DON'T AN E.
SO THERE'S AN EXTRA, AN EXTRA ONE.
THERE'S AN EXTRA ELEVATION AND THERE'S THE ODD BALL BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER, THEN THERE'S THE ODDBALL PLAN, WHATEVER THAT IS.
SO YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SHOW US, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT EACH ONE OF THESE LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S MORE OF HERE'S ALL THE MATERIALS THAT WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE IN DIFFERENT WAYS TO MAKE THE VARIOUS ELEVATIONS.
AND THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED AT A FUTURE TIME.
AND WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU THE ARCHITECTURE OF WHAT EACH HOUSE LOOKS LIKE ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
IT, I THINK IT, IT STAFF HAD AN, AN OPINION.
I THINK THE TWO THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON, ONE AGAIN, IS THE TWO ON THE CORNER THAT, THAT SORT OF FLANK THE, THE DEVORE HAYNES CORNER.
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S SAY, WHAT ARE YOU BUILDING HERE? SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THE SIDES AND, AND THE FRONTS ON, ON THOSE TWO.
THEN I THINK MAYBE THE OTHERS CAN, CAN FLOAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
BUT IT, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE THE TWO KEY ONES.
AND, AND WE'D ALSO BE OPEN TO GETTING YOUR COUNCIL ON THE ENTRANCE AS WELL.
SO, WHICH, WHICH TWO THAT ARE FLANKING LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE ENTRANCE.
THAT PLAN ONE ELEVATION B SIDE IS GONNA BE REALLY VISIBLE.
I MEAN REALLY THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT ONE TOO, BECAUSE THE SIDE ELEVATION OF THAT ONE DOES NOT.
OKAY, WELL LET'S, LET'S START WITH THOSE TWO.
IS THAT, IS THAT LOT? FIVE AND SIX OR FOUR AND FIVE.
RIGHT? WHERE DO YOU WANNA START THE ENTRANCE OR THE CORNERS? LET'S, LET'S START AT THE CORNER OF DEVORE AND HAYNES BRIDGE.
SO YOU WANNA SEE PLAN ONE, ELEVATION B.
OH, NOW YOU'RE SWITCHING SPOTS ON THERE.
ALRIGHT, THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT SIDE.
THAT THAT PLAN PLAN ONE ELEVATION B IS GONNA BE REALLY VISIBLE.
THIS IS, THIS SIDE IS RIGHT HERE.
OH, IN ELEVATION B, THERE'S MULTIPLE VARIATIONS ON ELEVATION B.
DID Y'ALL CATCH THAT? NO, SORRY.
SO THIS ELEVATION THAT SHE'S SHOWING HERE, B, THE SIDE IS THE SIDE THAT WOULD SORT OF FACE THE INTERSECTION AND THE FRONT.
SO IF YOU'RE STANDING ON HAYNES BRIDGE LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THAT'S THE RIGHT SIDE.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE, THE LEFT SIDE WOULD FACE THIS ONE.
THERE'S NOT A WAY YOU CAN SPLIT SCREENS ON THIS OR SHOW US THE SITE PLAN AND THE ELEVATION AT THE SAME TIME.
I THINK JOEL SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA BE, YEAH.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SCREW JUST IN CASE.
WAIT, SO NO, IF YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS, IT'S JUST, I'M SO CONFUSED.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IS THAT TOO SMALL? IS THAT, THAT'S GOOD.
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ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO, WE'LL START WITH MR. COCO'S RECOMMENDATION.SO LET'S LOOK AT THE, THE TWO HOMES THAT FRONT THE ENTRANCE INTO YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, THIS IS OFF OF JOHN SCOTT DRIVE.
SO LET'S LOOK AT PLAN THREE, ELEVATION C, THAT ONE AND PLAN ONE ELEVATION A.
START WITH PLAN ONE, ELEVATION A PLAN ONE, ELEVATION A.
OKAY, SO THE FRONT ELEVATION TOP LEFT IS WHAT YOU SEE FROM JOHN SCOTT DRIVE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE RIGHT ELEVATION IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU PULL OFF, WHEN YOU TURN OFF A JOHN SCOTT DRIVE INTO YOUR, YOUR DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S THE RIGHT ELEVATION.
AND ARE THOSE SHOULD BE THE ALL BRICK.
THIS IS ACTUALLY FLIPPED PLAN.
SO THESE ARE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT FLIPPED THE CORRECT WAY.
SO IT'S GONNA BE YOUR LEFT ELEVATION THAT YOU SEE AT THE ENTRANCE.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE BUMP OUT, THAT'S HOW I'M FOLLOWING IT ON THE SITE PLAN.
WHICH ONE FACES THE ENTRANCE DRIVE LEFT BE, NOW THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE SITE NEXT TO IT, IT'S LEFT, BUT IT WOULD BE MIRRORED, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S A MIRRORED VERSION.
LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S ALL SIDED.
NOW THERE'S TWO VERSIONS OF A, WE HAVE AN ALL BRICK VERSION AND A AND A SIDING AND WE HAVE A MIXED VERSION.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE OTHER VERSION THAT WOULD, IS THAT TRUE REPRESENTATION OF THE GRADES, HOW IT DROPS DOWN? IT'S, YEAH.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A CLOSE STRAIGHT LINE LIKE THAT, BUT YEAH.
I MEAN WE'RE TWO STORY OUT OF THE GROUND ON THE ROADSIDE AND THEN THREE STORY AND BACK.
LET'S GO BACK UP TO, LET'S SEE, OH THAT'S ELEVATION.
JUST ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S TWO ELEVATION AREAS THEN ON PLAN THREE, ELEVATION SHOW, WHICH IS THE, I'M GONNA ASSUME SOUTH IS DOWN.
UM, WHAT FACES JOHN SCOTT ON THAT ONE? WELL, HOLD ON.
ARE WE DONE WITH THIS, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR ONE? WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ELEVATION SPACE WHERE WE'RE, ALRIGHT, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT LOT ONE.
THE SIDE OF THAT ONE IS THE, FROM APART, FROM ENTHUSED ON THAT THE LEFT ELEVATION IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE WHEN YOU DRIVE IT.
AND THEN ON PLAN THREE, WHICH ONE FACES? JOHN SCOTT, LEMME JUST SCROLL.
AND THREE ELEVATION C THESE ALL TOGETHER.
THIS IS GONNA BE HARD TO NAVIGATE.
C THAT'S ELEVATION C FOR PLAN THREE.
BUT WE'LL SEE THE RIGHT FROM, FROM JOHN.
THE RIGHT C AND THE LEFT SEAT YOU'LL SEE FROM JOHN SCOTT.
YOU'LL SEE IT'S HARD BECAUSE THIS IS LEFT.
AND IS THAT, THAT'S A BRICK AND SIDING AND CEDAR SHAKE MIX IS THAT? IT IS.
SO SHAKE SIDING AND, AND UH, STOLEN ON THIS ONE.
RIGHT? IT'S ALWAYS HARD WHEN YOU HAVE A, THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE FACING THE STREET.
AND YOU SAID WHICH, WHICH ELEVATIONS FACES JOHN SCOTT DRIVE THE LEFT.
AND WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT.
THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY, IT'S PROBABLY NOT THAT SEVERE IS IT FROM THAT JOHN SCOTT? I WOULD THINK SO.
IT WOULD BE MORE, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE MORE FLAT.
THIS WILL MEASURE DEPENDING ON HOW IT GOES.
PRETTY MUCH ALL YOUR PLANS ARE DRAWN
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AS IF YOU HAVE A WALKOUT BASEMENT RIGHT IN THE BACK? UM, PLANS ONE AND THREE.THERE'S A GRADE CHANGE FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK.
IT'S A THREE STORY OUTTA THE GROUND.
SO JOHN SCOTT ODYSSEY IS QUOTE UNQUOTE FLAT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOT AN, YOU KNOW, AN ANGLE, BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY ENTER THE SITE TO SITE DOES A MAJOR DROP.
I MIGHT BE MAKING A BIG ASSUMPTION HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET ANYWHERE.
I, I DON'T THINK, I THINK IT'S TOO CONFUSING AS TO THIS IS LEFT, THIS IS RIGHT.
WHAT SIDE IS THIS? I THINK I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO IS, IS GET THOSE FOUR MAYBE SPECIFICALLY SURE.
AND, AND DO 'EM INDIVIDUALLY AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE.
NOT, NOT WELL WITHOUT THIS DROP OFF, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN ON THIS LOT.
I, I THINK THOSE FOUR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY.
I THINK MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT MATERIALS AND STUFF FOR THE, FOR THE BULKS.
BUT I THINK THOSE FOUR, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA WANNA SEE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M GONNA SEE.
SO MORE OF A LOT SPECIFIC LOT CORRECTLY FOR CORRECT.
FOR THOSE FOUR, LOOK LOTS THAT ARE SEEN FROM THE STREET OR OKAY.
MEANING ENTRANCE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
I THINK THE BOARD IS, YOU'RE SAYING, UH, UH, ENTRANCE AND CORNER, CORRECT? YEAH.
I MEAN IF ANYTHING THAT'S EXPOSED FROM THE STREET VIEW, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, SO REALLY WE'RE TALKING FRONTS HERE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA WANT SEE THIS EXACT SIDE THIS, THIS FRONT, BECAUSE IT'S THIS HOUSE, THIS AND THIS.
AND THEN THESE FRONTS ALL THE WAY AROUND, BUT THEN THESE SIDES, SO THAT, 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT FRONTS ON ALL YEAH.
AND YOU HAVE ALL THAT, IT'S ALL DONE.
IT'S JUST GOTTA BE HANDED CORRECTLY.
I, I THINK, YEAH, I HANDED CORRECTLY.
I COULD ASK HIM WHY THOSE FOUR? YEAH.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S GREAT DIRECTION.
BUT I, THIS IS GREAT OVER THE MATERIALS AND ANYBODY'S GOT, YOU KNOW, SO WHY ARE YOU, WHY ARE WE FOCUSED ON JUST THOSE FOUR? WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THE, I MEAN, YOU GOT ALL A WHOLE BUNCH OF THESE FACE, HAINES, BRIDGE ROAD.
WELL, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE FRONTS AND I THINK YOU LOOK AT ALL THOSE, BUT I THINK THOSE FOUR YOU WANT FRONT, FRONT AND SIDE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE SIDES, THAT'S ONE.
BECAUSE THE SIDES ARE USUALLY THE LESS ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL.
AND, AND THE, BASICALLY IN THE TALK, THEY SAID THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS WILL BE ON ALL FOUR SIDES, EVEN THOUGH THEY LEFT THAT TO STAFF.
THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF A A YOU GUYS THING.
BUT I, BUT I THINK THE FOUR SIDE OR THE, I THINK THE SIDES THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THOSE SIDES.
THE, THE SIDES THAT ARE GONNA BE SEEN FROM THE STREET, THE SIDES THAT ARE WHAT, 20 FOOT AWAY FROM THE NEXT HOUSE? RIGHT.
IT'S THOSE, IT'S THAT INTERSECTION SIDES AND THEN THE ENTRANCE SIDES, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA SEE.
AND THEN, AND THEN FOR THE OTHER ONES, I GUESS THE ASSUMPTION WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THE SKETCH RENDERINGS AND THEN ANY COMBINATION OF THOSE MATERIALS YOU'VE SHOWED US WOULD BE OKAY.
I MEAN THAT'S REALLY WHAT
BASICALLY SORT OF LIKE A, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GO INTO A NEW SUBDIVISION AND YOU GOT, OKAY, WELL YOU WANT ELEVATION A WELL THESE ARE YOUR TWO CHOICES OF COLORS AND MATERIALS KIND OF THING.
JUST NORMALLY WHEN WE WOULD LOOK AT THESE, IT'D BE VERY SPECIFIC FOR EVERY ONE.
IT WOULD, HERE'S THIS BUILDING IS GONNA HAVE EXACTLY THESE MATERIALS IN THESE LOCATIONS NOW.
I MEAN IT'S, YEAH, NORMALLY THE WAY WE, YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING LATELY IS A LOT OF ONE AND TWO LOT THINGS.
BUT WHEN WE'RE DOING SUBDIVISIONS, WE FOCUS ON THE STREET BASICALLY AND MAKE SURE THAT STREET FACADES AND SIDES DON'T REPEAT LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH PARK WALK.
BUT THESE ALL FA THESE ALL FACE, ALL FACE THE STREET.
SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NO, WE, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM BRINGING THE FRONT.
WE HAVE THE FRONTS FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE.
AND THEN, AND THEN LIKEWISE, I THINK THE FOUR THAT BRETT'S TALKING ABOUT ARE, ARE THE SIDES.
THE ONES THAT I THINK THAT THE PLAN ONE ELEVATION A, UM, RIGHT THERE AT JOHN SCOTT IN YOUR ENTRANCE, WE PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK AT BOTH SIDES BECAUSE SURE.
YOU CAN DO SEE, BUT THE OTHER ONE'S LIKE PLAN THREE, THE, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR, I THINK BOTH SIDES WOULD BE.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ARE, WE'RE CLEAR REAL QUICK.
WE'RE GONNA DO UM, UM, AT THE ENTRANCE HERE AT JOHN SCOTT, WE'LL CALL IT UH, FRONT AND SIDE FOR THIS ONE HERE.
FRONT AND BOTH SIDES FOR THIS ONE.
MM-HMM
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UM, THIS IS THE MAIN UM, INTERSECTION WHERE WE DO FRONT SIDE, FRONT AND SIDE FOR THESE TWO.DO YOU ALSO WANT TO SEE, YOU'LL OBVIOUSLY HAVE FRONTS HERE.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? JUST TO SET EXPECTATIONS.
I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE SIDES.
THEY SIT PRETTY FAR BACK AND KEEP MIND.
YOU'VE GOT LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA.
UM, AND THEN TO YOUR POINT, UH, MS. SHRINK, UM, IS FRONTS ALL RUNNING ALL THE WAY.
SO YOU CAN SEE UM, WHAT WE'VE SELECTED THERE.
MAY MAYBE THAT PLAN ONE ELEVATION B GOING UH, NORTH ON JOHN SCOTT.
THE OTHER, ON THE OTHER SIDE, SORRY, CORNER OF JOHN SCOTT AND DEVO.
I MEAN THAT ONE WHEN YOU'RE GOING NORTH ON JOHN SCOTT, YOU MIGHT SEE THAT SIDE HERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? 3, 4, 5.
WE JUST HAVE TO ORGANIZE IT COOL.
WHAT IS ODDBALL PLAN? IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE A LOT SPECIFIC PLAN BECAUSE THAT LOT IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SHAPE.
SO OUR GOAL IS TO TAKE PLAN THREE, LOOK AT THE SHAPE OF THAT LOT, AND THEN GROW IT OR REDUCE IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE IN THE PLAN TO FIT ON THE LOT.
SO YOU STILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH THAT ONE.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE CHALLENGING LOT, BASICALLY A SPECIFIC DESIGN.
DO YOU GUYS WANT TO LOOK AT ANY OF THE MATERIALS SPECIFIC TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ISSUE WITH ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF OR, YEAH, LET'S GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MATERIAL BOARD JUST TO GET US KIND OF, UH, 'CAUSE THAT'LL, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME REALLY WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
JASON, HOW SIMILAR ARE THESE MATERIALS? OH, PROBABLY NOT AT ALL.
REALLY? THE MAYFAIR ON MAIN? 'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LOOK.
DIFFERENT LOOK, DIFFERENT PRODUCT.
UM, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY QUALITY OBVIOUSLY BEING EQUIVALENT.
'CAUSE THESE HOMES ARE GONNA BE TRADING SIMILAR PRICE POINTS.
MAYBE SLIGHTLY ELEVATED, SO GOOD QUESTION WE'LL BE COMING BACK.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF BRONZE, UM, OUTDOOR LIGHTING OPENS THAT NATURE IS ALL SIMPLE, GONNA BE VERY SIMPLE QUALITY.
SO THESE WILL BE ONE THREES, EXCUSE ME, THESE WILL PROBABLY BE ONE POINT THREES OR THEY'LL TRADE HIGHER.
I MEAN IF YOU'D LIKE TO BUY ONE, LET US KNOW.
NOT, NOT, YEAH,
UM, SO JASON, I ASSUME, OR AMANDA, I ASSUME YOU HAVE PHYSICAL SAMPLES OF ALL THESE WE, YEAH.
AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS A LITTLE BIT NEW ON THE RESIDENTIAL, I APOLOGIZE.
BUT YES, WE CAN BRING BOTH AND THAT'S ALSO SETTING EXPECTATIONS FOR THE NEXT MEETING WHEN WE COME BACK AND DO THAT.
UM, UM, BRINGING, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, BRICK AND COLOR PALETTE YOU GUYS WILL WANNA SEE.
LIKE CUSTOMARY, NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THE SHINGLES WILL PROBABLY BE ALL ON ONE BOARD.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE DON'T THEY USUALLY DO ONE PATTERN AND THEN THE DIFFERENT COLORS? YEAH.
WOULD THAT THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? WE HAVE MULTIPLE WAYS WE CAN SHOW YOU SHINGLES, YES.
SOME OF THESE I'LL HAVE DETRACT DOWN, BUT YEAH, WE DO HAVE SOME IN OUR OFFICE.
YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL TELL YOU, I THINK THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE WATERCOLOR RENDERING, I, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.
I, I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO SEE THE DETAILS AND THE SPECIFICS AND I THINK THOSE, SOME OF THOSE AS UH, MR. CORCO SAID THE SIDE ELEVATIONS ON, YEAH.
SOME OF THOSE WERE REMARKABLE.
SO MAYBE YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU PUNCH UP THE SIDE ELEVATIONS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE 'EM.
AND, AND I, I GUESS, UM, I'M GONNA SAY GENERALLY SPEAKING THOUGH, UM, TYPE OF MATERIALS, UM, COLOR PALETTES, ET CETERA, UM, NOTHING THAT'S GLARING THAT WOULD SAY THAT IS ABSOLUTELY GOD AWFUL.
NO, I THINK IT ALL LOOKS, I THINK IT'S LOOKS REAL NICE.
UM, THE OTHER THING I TALKED TO CASEY ABOUT YEAH, OF COURSE WE WERE LOOKING IN OUR PACKAGE AND IT WAS, YOU HAD THE ELEVATIONS, BUT NONE OF THE MATERIALS WERE IDENTIFIED.
SO IT WAS HARD FOR US TO SAY, YEAH, IS THIS BRICK OR IS THIS SIDING OR IS THIS STONE OR IS THIS PAINTED? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE, IN IN THE BLACK AND WHITE THAT WE WERE SHOWING YOU.
YOU CAN ADD, WE'LL ADD NOTES TO THAT.
THIS, THIS DELINEATES COLORS AND MATERIALS AND ALL THAT.
IF YOU HAD THIS FOR EACH ONE JUST DOWN THE ROAD, IT WOULD BE, MAKE IT REAL EASY.
A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.
IS YOUR, UM, INTENT FOR THE, THE, THE BRICK COLUMNS WITH THE GATE, ARE THOSE BRICK COLUMNS ALL GONNA BE THE SAME BRICK THROUGHOUT OR IS IT GONNA BE SPECIFIC TO THE HOUSE? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THOSE LITTLE BRICK COLUMNS, ENTRYWAY COLUMNS FOR THE FENCE, THE IRON FENCE HERE? PROBABLY SITE FENCE.
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SITE, IS THAT SITE DESIGN? IS IT SITE DESIGN? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, APOLOGIZE.I, YEAH, JUST, YOU KNOW, TO CALL THAT OUT IS ANOTHER, IT'S TIED TO THE LANDSCAPE.
SO YEAH, I DON'T, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWER WITH THAT.
I WOULD THINK THAT STAFF WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE ONE OF THE BRICKS.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.
THAT THAT PART'S CONSISTENT ALONG THE STREET.
WE WON'T MAKE IT, UH, BLACK BRICK.
UM, THE OTHER THING, BLACK BRICK.
THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS MENTIONED BY STAFF THIS MORNING WAS CHIMNEYS.
SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE PLANS THAT SHE HAD JUST SHOWN THE BLACK AND WHITES THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CHIMNEYS ADDED.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE WHEN WE OKAY.
WHEN WE, UH, PRESENT NEXT TIME.
ARE, ARE THE CHIMNEYS FUNCTIONAL OR ARE THEY FA CHIMNEYS? THEY'RE FO YEAH, THEY'RE FO.
YOU'VE GOT GOOD CHARACTER, GOOD MATERIAL SELECTIONS, EVERYTHING.
I GUESS WE JUST, THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS, WE'RE JUST KIND OF YEP.
WHAT KIND OF SQUARE FOOTAGE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? WHAT'S THE KIND OF SQUARE FOOTAGE? WHAT ARE, WHAT'S THE AVERAGES DO YOU THINK? 35.
UM, THE OTHER THING JUST A LOT OF MASTER ON MEANS MAKE NOTE OF IS ANY OF YOUR, UM, UH, ROOF FENCE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, TRY TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ON THE SIDE OF THE HOMES OR HIDDEN OR WHATEVER YOU CAN DO.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE HANDLING THAT.
ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC ELEVATIONS THAT YOU GUYS ARE OPPOSED TO ON THE FRONT? LIKE IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO TOUCH ON THE FRONT ELEVATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THIS PACKAGE? WHY DON'T YOU, LET'S DO THIS.
I MEAN, WE GOT A FEW MORE MINUTES.
WHY DON'T YOU WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THE, ALL THE FRONT ELEVATIONS THAT YOU'RE KIND, 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ONE PROPOSING, OR GOOD QUESTION.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH, YOU CAN BLOW IT UP IF YOU WANNA, UH, HIT THE GREEN.
SO WE'LL START WITH, UM, WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT, UH, PLAN ONE ELEVATION A, THIS IS PLAN ONE, ELEVATION B.
THAT'S THEIR FRONT FOR THAT ONE.
SO THAT'S AN, I GUESS MAYBE TELL 'EM JUST WHERE THE SIDING'S GONNA BE.
PART FACADE ALWAYS WILL ASSUME IT'S BRICK, BRICK SIDING.
RIGHT? SO YOU'VE GOT THE, THE DARKER HATCH THAT LOOKS A LITTLE DARKER ON THE SCREEN.
AND AMANDA, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
SO, AND TO, TO RICHARD'S POINT, I THINK YOU WERE SAYING, YOU'RE TALKING TO CLAYTON ABOUT THIS IS, THESE WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CALL OUT YES.
THE MATERIALS ON THE FRONT OF ALL THESE, WHICH IS WE'LL PROVIDE OUR NEXT PACKAGE.
WE WOULD CALL OUT MATERIALS FOR YOU GUYS SO THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR.
SO THIS FOR ME WOULD GIVE ME FEEDBACK ON THE ACTUAL OVERALL DESIGN.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, STANDS OUT THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO REVISE IT, GET IT BACK TO YOU IN THE NEXT ROUND? OKAY.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE ELEVATION B.
IS THE CHIMNEY MEANT TO BE STUCCO ON THIS ONE? YES.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT'S STUCCO PAT? I'M VERY INTUITIVE BECAUSE I KNOW BECAUSE IT'S, YOU'RE AN RIGHT WAS RIGHT
WILL ALL THE CHIMNEY CAPS BE THE SAME THROUGHOUT? THAT'S THE PLAN RIGHT NOW? YES.
AND IT'S THE SAME CHIMNEY CAP THAT'S IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN MAYFAIR ON MAINE, IT'S THE SAME.
STICK AND ALMOST A LITTLE TUDOR IN IT, BUT NOT QUITE.
ARE THOSE ARCHED OPENINGS ON THE PORCH? YES.
SO FOR THE FRONT ELEVATION OF SEA, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRST FLOOR IS PRIMARILY BRICK.
AND LITTLE BOARD AND BAT, A LITTLE BOARD AND BATTEN ABOVE STILL SEE HIM OVER THE PAT.
WHAT KIND OF CHIMNEY DOES THAT DOES? UH, IT LOOKS LIKE STANDING OVER THE BAY.
IT'S NOT GONNA TELL WE'RE AT THE END.
UM, SO THIS IS THE DE ELEVATION.
PUNCH OUT ON THE, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A BATHROOM ON THE ELEVATION.
PROBABLY BE ALL WOOD, GREEN WOOD.
WHICH PUNCH OUT, ARE YOU TALKING
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ON THE FRONT ELEVATION? NO, RIGHT ELEVATION.I'M LIKE A BATHROOM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THESE? NO, NO, NO, NO.
THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT ELEVATION.
LIKE THE, OH YES, LIKE THE BAY WINDOW.
WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S THE BAY WINDOW THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE FRONT FROM THE SIDE THERE.
THAT'S WHAT'S THAT MATERIAL GONNA BE? UM, THAT'LL BE LIKE HARDY.
SO THAT'LL ALL GET PAINTED OUT PANELS.
AND THEN THE, THOSE ARE BIG HARDY PANELS BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND STORY WINDOWS RIGHT THERE ON THE LEFT.
AND THE NICE LOOK RIGHT NOW IS TO KIND OF DO A MONO MORE MONOCHROMATIC PAINT SCHEME.
IT JUST HAS A RICHER LOOK THAN PAINT YOUR TRIM AND YOUR PANELS DIFFERENT COLORS.
IF YOU KIND OF DO THAT MONOCHROMATIC, IT JUST LOOKS BETTER WITH THE BRICK AND HAS A, HAS A NICE FEEL, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR PRIOR ELEVATION YOU SHOWED IN SOME BRICKED IN LIKE BRICKED IN WINDOWS MM-HMM
THAT, I MEAN THAT'S ONE WAY TO SORT OF PUNCH UP ONE OF THE SIDE FACADE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
MIGHT BE A LITTLE PLAIN, GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF TEXTURE DIFFERENCE, BUT RIGHT.
RATHER THAN JUST A FEW LITTLE WINDOWS THAT RIGHT.
AND WE CAN ADD SOME, UH, SOME OF THOSE UNDER THE, THE SMALLER WINDOWS.
THE, AT THE, THE POINT OF THE SMALLER WINDOWS IS IT'S REALLY IN A PLACE WHERE WE WOULD RATHER HAVE SOMETHING ON THE INTERIOR THAT, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS TO HAVE ON YOUR LAST ELEVATION.
I THINK YOU DID HAVE A SMALLER WINDOW AT THE TOP AND THEN BRICKED IN AT THE BOTTOM.
WELL I THINK IT'S ONE WAY TO, TO TAKE LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE ON THE RIGHT, THAT RIGHT ELEVATION TO TAKE THAT ELEVATION AND MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING.
IF THAT'S ONE YOU'RE GONNA BE SEEING.
UM, AND ON YOUR FRONT ELEVATION FOR THIS ONE, YOU'VE GOT BRICK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT'S IN ONE PLANE I ASSUME.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT WHERE THE SIDING IS.
IS THAT KIND OF A RECESSED? YES.
THAT'S LIKE EIGHT OR NINE FEET BACK.
SO THAT BRICK WILL RETURN THE CORNER AND, OKAY.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO TO UM, PLAN TWO.
SO THESE WOULD BE THE LOTS THAT ARE GOING, THE, THE FRONTS WILL FACE HAYNES BRIDGE AND THESE ARE THREE STORY OUT OF THE GROUND.
SO YOU'RE GETTING A FULL THREE STORY ON ALL FOUR SIDES ON THIS ONE.
I'M ASSUMING THE BOTTOM IS HEAVIER BRICK COLUMNED, UM, PORCH.
AND THEN A, A WOODEN BEAM POSTS UP ABOVE IT.
SO THIS WOULD BE YOUR PORCH DECK STICKING OUT THE DECKING.
SO YOU GOT A HEAVY COLUMN ON THE BOTTOM, CORRECT.
AND A LIGHTER COLUMN AT THE TOP.
ARE, ARE ALL THE, UM, COLUMNS, ARE ANY OF 'EM STAINED TO MATCH DOOR OR ARE THEY ALL LIKE THE TRIM COLOR? WE CAN SORT OF MAKE THAT DECISION AS WE GO THROUGH AND ADD DETAIL.
UM, I PERSONALLY THINK DEPENDING ON THE STYLE, A STAINED COLUMN WOULD BE A NICE MIX NEXT TO A HOUSE THAT HAS MORE OF A PAINTED LOOK.
SO LIKE THIS STYLE IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD GO FOR MORE OF SOME STAINED ACCENTS ON IT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROACH THAT STYLE.
I THINK SOME, I THINK THAT WOULD FIT THIS ONE NICELY.
SO THIS IS THE SAME ELEVATION IF WE WERE TO USE IT IN AN AREA WHERE WE COULD DO MORE SIDING ON THE SIDE.
SO IT'S BASICALLY THE A ONE, A TWO AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FRONT, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY TO HANDLE THE SIDES AND REAR.
SO LOOKING AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, THIRD FLOOR, THE CENTER WINDOW, IS IT LIKE HAVE SHUTTERS OR IS THAT YES, THOSE ARE SHUTTERS, YES.
LIKE IN THAT ONE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ME TO HAVE PAINTED COLUMNS.
THIS ONE AGAIN, TO ME WOULD BE MORE OF A PAINTED MM-HMM
ARE THE DORMERS FUNCTIONAL ON THIS? NO, THEY'RE NOT.
AND WE ARE TRYING TO PULL SOME OF THOSE SAME, UH, DETAILS FROM THE
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FRONT STYLING TO THE REAR SO THAT YOU GET THE VARIATION INSIDE THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE SAME REAR.
UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A VARIETY OF COLOR, TEXTURE MATERIALS AND THEN ALSO ROOF ELEMENTS THAT ON, ON THIS LEFT ELEVATION C UM, IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO WINDOWS, UH, IS THAT LIKE HARDY PLANK OR IS, ARE THOSE REALLY TALL WINDOWS? NO, THAT'S MORE OF A HARDY PANEL.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIND WAYS TO STEP THE BRICK DOWN IN A, IN AN AREA THAT DOESN'T JUST STOP IT AND DROP MM-HMM
SO WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF CREATE VERTICAL ELEMENTS TO BE ABLE TO DROP THAT BRICK AT A PLACE THAT MAKES SENSE ON ELEVATION.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT DIFFERENT WAYS.
WE, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DO THAT WITH TRIM AND SIDING, INFILL, DEPENDING ON THE STYLE.
THIS STYLE SEEMED LIKE A PANEL DETAIL MADE MORE SENSE.
AND IS THIS, UH, FOR THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE FRONT ELEVATION, IS THAT A LIKE A BOARD AND BATTEN? YES.
SO THIS WOULD BE BRICK AND BOARD AND BAT.
AND I ASSUME FOR THE WINDOW HEADERS IN THE BRICK AREA, THAT'S AN UNUSUAL HEADER LOOK, THE TIMBER HEADER.
ON THE FRONT IT'S A TIMBER HEADER AND THEN WHEN WE GO TO THE SIDES, WE GO MORE TO JUST A BRICK SOLDIER.
YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT? I DID.
WE'RE WAITING FOR YOU TO CALL THAT OUT ACTUALLY.
AND THEN THIS IS THE E ELEVATION.
SO ON HAYNES BRIDGE WE HAVE A THROUGH E.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FIVE ELEVATIONS DESIGNED FOR THAT SECTION BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT COUNCIL ASKED FOR, IT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A GOOD REPETITION.
SO ALLOW US TO REPEAT THOSE WITHOUT 'EM BEING TOO CLOSE TOGETHER.
SO THIS ONE HAS A SIDING CHIMNEY, THIS ONE DOES.
I DON'T, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANYTHING THAT REALLY, I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST THOSE SIDES LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THOSE PARTICULAR ONES TO SEE WHICH, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT'S GONNA LAY OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA REALLY SEE ON THOSE COUPLE OF, OF IMPORTANT ONES.
BUT YEAH, I, I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE GREAT ELEVATIONS.
I, I THINK IN, YEAH, I THINK IT'S FINE.
YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH VARIETY ON THE FACADES.
TOO OFTEN WE JUST SEE BANG, BANG, BANG COMPETITIVE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN ALSO CREATE A DOCUMENT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER TO READ WHERE WE LOOK AT THE SITE, WE SEE WHERE WE'VE ASSIGNED ELEVATIONS AND WE GIVE YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA GIVE YOU A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT IT WOULD GIVE YOU A STREET SCAPE OF, OKAY, THESE SEVEN HOUSES ARE GONNA BE IN A ROW.
WE CAN START TO SEE THE REPETITION.
THAT'S VERY PRETTY EASY FOR US TO CREATE.
AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE TOO, I'M SURE YOU CAN VISUALIZE NOW WHEN THESE ARE ALL RUNNING DOWN HAYNES BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, TO THAT MARK, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY COOL ESPECIALLY WITH UH, WHAT STAFF HAS ASKED AND THE LANDSCAPE DESIGNS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JASON, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THE ALPHA LOOP ALSO, BY THE WAY, IS THE FALL DOWN ALPHA LOOP? YEAH.
WE'VE AGREED TO EXTEND IT ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW ELEVATION CHANGE AND GROUND LEVEL FROM DEVORE TO THAT OFFICE BUILDING? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE TOPO FALL OFF THERE? I COULDN'T GIVE YOU THE EXACT FOOTAGE, BUT IT'S NOT AS SEVERE.
YOU GO HALFWAY DOWN RIGHT TO THE POINT WHERE PHASE TWO STARTS, THEN IT STARTS TO SLIP A LITTLE GREATER AND WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE STREETSCAPE.
YEAH, WE CAN SHOW IT IN THE STREETSCAPE.
JUST YOU CAN SHOW THEM HOW, HOW IT'S GOING TO STEP DOWN AND THEN KIND OF, YEAH.
DO WE WANT TO JUST MAKE A DEFERRAL OR WHAT, WHAT DO YOU GUYS YEAH, I THINK WE, I THINK WE, I THEY'RE PREPARED TO COME BACK WITH THE, WITH THE MATERIAL SAMPLES AND KIND OF SHOW US SOME OF THE DETAILS OF EACH OF THOSE SUB SPECIFIC HOUSES.
BUT BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION, UM, I'M GONNA ASK FOR, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO
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PUBLIC COMMENT.SO COMMENT ON SON LAW TOO IF YOU WANT
WHAT? OH, WHERE YOU GONNA DO IT? I DON'T HAVE THE MR. CHAIRMAN.
2 6 0 0 0 2 MAY FERRET HAYNES BRIDGE.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER IN A MOTION.
UM, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR? THERE BEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
OH, I WAS JUST SAYING A THOUGHT FOR WHEN YOU COME BACK, IF YOU BROUGHT A PRINTED VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN FOR EACH OF US THAT, THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPLIT THE SCREEN.
YEAH, I JUST, I'M NOT LOOKING AT DATES TO SEE.
IT'LL BE, UM, WE'RE GONNA SEE IT'S POTENTIALLY GONNA BE MAY.
ELLIE'S GONNA CHECK THE ADVERTISEMENT WHEN SHE GETS BACK TO HER OFFICE TO SEE IF WE, IF THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL WE COULD GET YOU ON NEXT MONTH, BUT I THINK IT'S ALREADY RAN SO IT'LL IT'LL BE A MAY, APRIL.
HAS IT RUN? IT HAS APRIL RAN YESTERDAY? YEAH.
WITH THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS AND NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, THIS MEETINGS HEREBY ADJOURNED.