Mar 23, 2026 City Council

YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE THOSE.

SO SINCE THAT'S A REQUIREMENT AND Y'ALL ARE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND THEY'RE THE APPLICANT AND GOTTA SHOW US HOW THEY'RE GONNA USE THEIR PROPERTY, WHERE, WHERE DO WE THINK, UH, AND, AND PARKING SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, WE GOT SO MANY SPACES HERE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THE DUMPSTER? WELL, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO SHOW US WHERE THAT WOULD GO AND THERE THERE WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THAT COMPLIES WITH OUR CODE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. WOODMAN? THANKS, SIR.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIGHT COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME? OKAY.

IT SHOULD BE ON AND IT SHOULD BE PLUGGED IN.

I'M GONNA GET STARTED AS THEY WORK ON IT.

MY NAME IS WENDY CRA.

I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I AM THE ATTORNEY FOR SPIRIT OF GOD CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

UM, I DID WANNA JUST SHOW A COUPLE OTHER PICTURES THAT KIND OF SHOW SOME THINGS AROUND THE BUILDING THAT WOULD HELP THIS PROPERTY.

THE CHURCH HAS IT UNDER CONTRACT, SO THE CHURCH IS GOING TO BE THE OWNER AND WILL BE THE LANDLORD FOR THIS BUILDING.

THE PROPERTY, THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 2001, SO IT'S ABOUT 25 YEARS OLD.

IT HAS BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR TWO YEARS.

UM, THERE ARE, AS HE AS STATED, THERE ARE 18,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUSINESS USE.

RIGHT NOW.

THERE IS 8,000 THAT IS BEING USED FOR TENANTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE BUILDING.

THOSE TENANTS ARE INTENDED TO STAY AND THEN THE CHURCH WOULD RENT OUT THE REMAINING 10,000 AND THEN HAVE 2000 FOR ITSELF.

SO A, MOST OF THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO BE CONTINUED TO BE USED IN A BUSINESS SENSE.

THIS IS AN INVESTMENT FOR THE CHURCH.

SO THE CHURCH IS NOT INTENDING ANY MATERIAL CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE.

IT'S GONNA LOOK PRETTY MUCH THE WAY IT IS, BUT KIND OF FIXED UP.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT OLD.

THEY'RE GONNA UPDATE THE LANDSCAPING.

AND, UM, AS FAR AS PARKING, THERE'S A FINITE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND THE CHURCH WILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY THAT.

THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT.

DID THAT WORK? THERE WE GO.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WORKED LAST TIME? FINE.

I'M GONNA GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD AND HAVE HIM SPEAK, AND THEN IF WE GET IT ON, I'LL BRING IT UP.

A STRAIGHTFORWARD AND CONSISTENT WITH OUR PAST POSITIVE EXPERIENCES IN WORKING WITH THE CITY.

UM, PASTOR THE CHURCH, RANDALL NIEN IS GONNA SPEAK NOW.

IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THESE IMAGES TO WORK, I'LL SHOW THEM THEN.

GOOD EVENING TO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS PASTOR RANDALL KNIGHTON, PASTOR SPIRIT OF GOD CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

MY ADDRESS IS 71 97 BELLCREST DRIVE, JOHNS CREEK, GEORGIA 3 0 0 9 7.

WE, AT SPIRIT OF GOD CHRISTIAN CHURCH, ARE A SMALL CHURCH THAT HAS BEEN IN ALPHARETTA FOR ALL 22 YEARS OF ITS EXISTENCE.

UM, WE ARE IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE CITY AND HAVE BEEN FOR ALL 22 YEARS OF OUR EXISTENCE WHILE DOING ALL THAT'S BEEN REQUIRED OF US IN THIS CUP PROCESS.

WE CAME INTO THIS PROCESS WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT IT WOULD BE

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WE TRULY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND CONSIDERATION THAT THE STAFF AND COUNCIL HAVE GIVEN TO OUR APPLICATION.

THAT BEING SAID, AS THIS HAS PROGRESSED, THE LEVEL AND NATURE OF OUTSIDE OPPOSITION HAS GONE FAR BEYOND WHAT WE ANTICIPATED.

FOR REQUESTS LIKE THIS, THE VOLUME AND TONE OF MATERIALS SUBMITTED HAVE INTRODUCED CONCERNS THAT DO NOT REFLECT OUR HISTORY OR THE REALITY OF OUR INTENDED USE.

AND NAVIGATING THAT HAS BEEN BOTH UNEXPECTED AND AT TIMES CHALLENGING.

WE'VE BEEN MET WITH OPPOSITION TO OUR CUP ALONG THE CONCERNS THAT OUR CHURCH WOULD INCREASE CRIME, ESPECIALLY CYBER CRIME IN AN AREA THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN HACKED LONG BEFORE.

WE CONSIDER PURCHASING THE BUILDING AT 1 45 NORTH, NO, UH, NOBLE COURT.

HOWEVER, EVEN INSTEAD OF THAT, WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO WORKING COLLABORATIVELY AND RESPECTFULLY THROUGH THE PROCESS AS WE TRUST THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE OUR REQUESTS BASED ON THE FACTS AND OUR TRACK RECORD.

UM, AND THE ACTUAL USE PROPOSED.

WE ARE SEEKING A CUP FOR A CHURCH AS A CHURCH FOR A BUILDING THAT WILL BE PREDOMINANTLY USED AS AN OFFICE SPACE FOR NORMAL BUSINESS JUST AS IT IS NOW.

THIS WILL BE AN INVESTMENT AND REVENUE STREAM FOR THE CHURCH THROUGH OFFICE LEASES, WHILE THE CHURCH WILL USE THE SPACE, BUT PRIMARILY ON WEEKENDS.

FOR EXAMPLE, A FOUR 40 HOURS OUT OF THE WEEK, IT WILL BE USED FOR OFFICE LEASES IN OFFICE SPACE WHILE LESS THAN 20 HOURS OUT OF THE WEEK IT'LL USED FOR CHURCH USE.

WE PLAN TO LEASE OUT UP TO 16,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE 18,000 SQUARE FEET.

BUT WHATEVER WE USE FOR CHURCH SPACE WILL BE LESS THAN WHAT IS USED FOR OFFICE LEASES AND SPACE.

WE PLAN TO KEEP THE CURRENT TENANTS, UM, THAT ARE THERE WHILE ADDING OTHERS.

OUR APPLICATION IS SIMPLY REGARDING THE ABILITY TO USE A SPACE FOR A CHURCH USE.

YES, BUT FAR LESS THAN THAT.

IT WILL BE USED FOR OFFICES OR OFFICE LEASES AND OFFICE SPACES.

I ASK THE COUNCIL, WE AS SPIRIT OF GOD, ASK THE COUNCIL THAT YOU WILL GRANT OUR APPLICATION FOR CUP AT 1 45 NOBLE COURT, AS WE WILL CONTINUE TO ADHERE TO ALL OF THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS AS WE HAVE DONE IN EVERY SPACE WE'VE BEEN IN, IN ALPHARETTA FOR 22 YEARS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.

I AM DARRELL THOMPSON.

I AM A 13 YEAR RESIDENT OF ALPHARETTA, AND I ACTUALLY LIVE IN WINWARD COMMUNITY AND HAVE THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN, I'M SORRY SIR, THIS IS NOT THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION YET.

OH, I'M SORRY.

SORRY.

UM, YES, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR COUNCIL.

IS THAT ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT? YES, FROM THE APPLICANT.

PERSON WHERE YOU ARE NOW? NORMALLY WE HAVE ABOUT, WE HAVE LESS THAN A HUNDRED PEOPLE, SO NOW ABOUT 80 IS, IT IS A, A SMALLER ROOM AND YOU, YOU'RE, WELL, THEY PUT US IN A LARGER ROOM AND THE ONLY REASON THEY PUT US IN, WHICH WE'VE NEVER FILLED UP, BUT THEY PUT US IN A LARGER ROOM BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE DOUBLETREE IS SET UP, BECAUSE OF OUR MUSIC.

MY APOLOGIES.

I ASSUMED SINCE YOU JUMPED UP THAT YOU WERE PART OF THE REPRESENTATION OF THE APPLICANT.

SO IS THERE NO ONE ELSE ON THE TEAM THAT HAD ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE APPLICATION WHATSOEVER? OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO YOU'VE USED UP FIVE MINUTES QUESTIONS.

WOULD YOU, LIKE, DO YOU WANNA QUESTION THE APPLICANTS? OKAY.

I'M, I'M SORRY.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE COUNCILMAN HYPES.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

YEAH, I'VE GOT ABOUT COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'LL PREFACE THE QUESTION WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU THE CHURCH IS GOING TO BECOME, UH, IS SEEKING TO BECOME THE OCCUPANT OF THIS OWNER OF THIS BUILDING.

UM, I, I WANNA LEARN A LITTLE BIT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE CHURCH MOVING OVER TO THIS BUILDING.

UH, WHAT, WHAT YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES ARE CURRENTLY? UH, LIKE WHERE, WHERE YOU MEET, YOU'RE MEETING AT A DOUBLE TREE RIGHT NOW? UM, YES, WE'RE MEETING AT THE DOUBLE TREE HOTEL, UH, AS WELL.

WE STARTED OUT IN, UH, NORTHWESTERN MIDDLE SCHOOL.

WE THEN MOVED TO THE ALFRED BUSINESS CENTER.

WE HAD ALSO A PROPERTY THAT WE WERE RELEASING OUT ON, UH, HEMBRY ROAD.

AND UH, THEN AFTER, UH, THAT LEASE WAS UP, UM, JUST ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE COVID, WE WENT TO DOUBLETREE HOTEL.

AND THEN OF COURSE, DURING THE COVID TIME WE WENT PRIMARILY VIRTUAL, WHICH IS WHERE MANY OF OUR MEMBERS HAVE.

UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO DO FOLLOW US ARE, ARE VIRTUAL.

SO THE, THE LOCATION WHERE YOU'RE MEETING NOW, HOW MANY FOLKS CAN YOU ACCOMMODATE IN

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IT, IT'S AWAY FROM THE ROOMS IN THE COMMON AREA.

SO IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN OUT, YOU CAN ACTUALLY ENTER INTO IT WITHOUT EVER GOING INTO THE HOTEL.

SO THEY NORMALLY JUST PUT US THERE BECAUSE OF THE SOUND.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY.

AND, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME MORE ELBOW ROOM, DOES THE DOUBLE TREE ONLY ACCOMMODATE SO MANY PEOPLE, UH, FOR YOUR SERVICES? UM, YES.

THEY, THEY, I MEAN, WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM, UH, TO BE ACCOMMODATED.

THEY ONLY ACCOMMODATE SO MUCH, BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD AN OVERFLOW ISSUE AT ALL.

UM, ALSO BY WAY OF HISTORY AND, AND, AND LOOKING FORWARD, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT UP HERE TO APPROVE THAT APPLICATION ON HEMBRY UPPER HEMBRY.

AND THE APPLICATION BACK THEN WAS FOR A MAIN AUDITORIUM SANCTUARY THAT WILL SEAT 300 TO 350 PEOPLE.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE ANTICIPATING HAVING FOR AN AUDITORIUM BACK THEN? YES.

BUT THAT WAS, IF I'M NOT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT WAS, UH, PRIOR TO COVID, IT, IT, IT WAS AUGUST 24TH, 2020.

SO, UH, IT YOU CAN, THAT'S WHAT THE DATE WAS, SO, RIGHT.

SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS ONCE, ONCE THESE THINGS HAPPENED, AND THEN WE SAW A DECLINE IN MEMBERSHIP FROM AN IN-PERSON STANDPOINT, BUT PRIMARILY VIRTUAL, THAT'S WHEN WE ALSO SUBMITTED ONE THAT WAS, UH, REDUCED IN SIZE.

AND I, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YES SIR.

YOUR CONGREGATION MM-HMM .

WHERE YOU'VE BEEN, WHERE YOU ARE, WHERE YOU'RE GOING, RIGHT.

AND, UH, IN AUGUST OF 2020, YOU WERE, YOU GOT APPROVED WHERE YOU COULD BUILD AN AUDITORIUM FOR 300 TO 350 PEOPLE WITH AN AVERAGE ATTENDANCE OF 150 TO 200 PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S FROM YOUR APPLICATION BACK THEN, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

NOW, IN, IN YOUR CURRENT APPLICATION, WHICH I'M INTERESTED, MOST INTERESTED IN FOR YOU, UM, IT SAYS YOUR CONGREGATION IS ABOUT 200 MEMBERS, AND I SEE THE 60%.

UM, THERE'S A CURRENT ROOM THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE YOU FOR THE NUMBER OF SEATS, UH, THAT THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING HERE.

THE 120, WHAT DID WE SAY? 1 24? 1 24, I THINK 124.

SO YOU, THERE'S, WHEN YOU MOVE INTO THE FACILITY, THERE'S ACTUALLY A SPACE RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE 124 SEATS.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WITH JUST A LITTLE MODIFICATION, BUT YES.

AND THEN YOU, YOU FURTHER STATE IN YOUR APPLICATION, IT SAYS IN A FEW YEARS, WE WOULD CONVERT THE WAREHOUSE INTO A WORSHIP CENTER IN THAT SPACE, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN HOLDING AS A WORSHIP SERVICE WOULD BE YOUR FELLOWSHIP HALL.

WELL FAMILIAR WITH FELLOWSHIP HALLS.

RIGHT.

BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A BIGGER SPACE MM-HMM .

IN THE WAREHOUSE TO BE COME YOUR, UH, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MAIN SANCTUARY.

BUILDING AND EVEN THE SEATING.

THAT IS A, THAT IS OBVIOUSLY BASED UPON GROWTH, BUT THAT IS ALSO, UM, WE'RE STILL GONNA ADHERE TO THE NUMBER OF SEATS THAT WE CAN HAVE JUST BECAUSE THAT SPACE, ALL OF IT MAY NOT BE USED.

THAT WOULD BE THE VISION, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL OF IT WOULD BE USED TOTALLY JUST FOR WORSHIP.

AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S, I'M, I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, YES.

UH, SQUARE UP WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, WHAT YOU'VE BEEN ASKING FOR MM-HMM .

AND THERE'S BEEN A, A THEME FOR A 300 SEAT AUDITORIUM AT SOME POINT, UH, IN THE PAST AND, AND, AND A BIGGER WAREHOUSE AUDITORIUM HERE.

AND I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HOW BIG OF AN AUDIENCE YOU'LL BE ENTERTAINING ON A SUNDAY? UH, I HAVE, I HAVE NO IDEA.

ENTERTAINING IS PROBABLY THE WRONG WORD, SO PREACHING TO NO, I, YEAH, I, NO, BUT THE, HERE'S THE ONE THING THAT I, I WOULD WANT TO MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL KNOWS, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO OR HOW WE GROW, WE WILL MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO FOLLOW AND BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA SAYS WE MUST DO.

WE VERY EASILY COULD GO TO FOUR SERVICES A SATURDAY EVENING AND THREE SERVICES ON SUNDAY, AND 124 SEATS WOULD WORK IN THE, IN THE EVENT THAT WE GROW BEYOND THAT BUILDING, BECAUSE IT IS PREDOMINANTLY A REVENUE STREAM AND AN OFFICE PLACE, WE WILL LEASE OUT THE REST OF IT, OR WE'LL SELL IT AND WE'LL GO AND BUY A BIGGER PLACE.

WE HAVE A VISION FOR, FOR GROWTH, BUT IT'S NOT THE WAY THAT I THINK IT'S BEEN PRESENTED, OUR VISION FOR GROWTH IS THAT WE WILL ADJUST AS THE GROWTH HAPPENS.

IF IT HAPPENS, AND AS YOU'VE SEEN FROM OUR APPLICATION, THE GROWTH HASN'T HAPPENED, IT'S ACTUALLY REDUCED.

THAT'S WHY WE REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE

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BUT IN THE EVENT THAT IT DOES, THE CHURCH HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A SATURDAY EVENING SERVICE, AN EIGHT O'CLOCK, A 10 O'CLOCK, AND 12 O'CLOCK SERVICE ON SUNDAYS AND ACCOMMODATE A SMALLER NUMBER.

AND, UM, I'M TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO COMMENTS I'VE READ IN THE PACKET ABOUT ADJOINING NEIGHBORS.

UM, WHEN YOU STACK THOSE SERVICES UP, YOU'VE GOT A PLAN FOR PEOPLE, UH, ENTERING AND LEAVING, CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY.

ONE OF MY BIGGEST FRUSTRATIONS IS WHEN I WAS IN SEMINARY AND I WOULD GO VISIT CHURCHES, IS IF IT WAS NOT A WAY THAT WAS DONE ORDERLY TO GET PEOPLE IN AND GET PEOPLE OUT SO THAT THE PARKING WOULD BE IN ORDER.

SO THEREFORE, IF THAT'S A PET PEEVE OF MINE, CERTAINLY WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE WE ADHERE TO THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

YES, BECAUSE, UH, UM, I'M, I'M A PROUD CHURCH GOER, AND AFTER SERVICE I LINGER AND TALK AND SOMETIMES I GET EARLY AND I LINGER AND TALK.

AND SO YOU, YOU END UP WITH ONE SERVICE, AND IF YOU WANNA GET 124 MORE PEOPLE INTO YOUR, UH, OR 62 MORE PEOPLE INTO YOUR SPOTS, YOU GOTTA GET 62 TO LEAVE.

OTHERWISE, IF A THIRD OF THOSE PEOPLE STAY AND LINGER, YOU, YOU HEAR WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? YEAH, I, I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I DON'T MEAN TO BE PREACHING HERE.

IF YOU LOOK BACK HERE WITH SOME OF MY MEMBERS WHO'VE BEEN WITH ME FOR 20 PLUS YEARS, THEY ARE VERY GOOD AT EXPEDITING AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW IT'S TIME TO GO.

NOW, NORMALLY, NORMALLY MANY OF OUR PEOPLE, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, SERVICE IN THE ALPHARETTA AREA, MOST OF MY PEOPLE, THEY EITHER, IF WE DO AN EARLY SERVICE, I CAN PROMISE YOU THEY'RE LEAVING.

'CAUSE I GOT A LOT OF FALCON SEASON TICKET HOLDERS, THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT DOWNTOWN.

I'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING DIFFERENT PLACES.

PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GO EAT, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT YOU HAVE TO BE WISE.

AND SO IF IT BECAME A PROBLEM, THEN EIGHT, EIGHT O'CLOCK SERVICE CAN BE SEVEN 30, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE TO 10 TO 10TH, OR WE CAN MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT'S ISSUE OF WHICH WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO WITH THE CITY.

AND I'M, I'M STILL FOCUSED ON YOUR PARKING MM-HMM.

AND I'M FOCUSED ON YOUR DEALING WITH IT BY ADDING SERVICES.

UH, WHERE, IF ANYWHERE DOES CLASSROOM, UH, BIBLE STUDY SUNDAY SCHOOL COME INTO PLAY? WELL, NORMALLY WE JUST HAVE CHILDREN'S CHURCH AS A PART OF OUR WORSHIP, UH, IN GENERAL.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY, UM, A ROOM OR AN OFFICE OR TWO IN THERE FOR THAT WILL BE UTILIZED ON A SUNDAY.

BUT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.

WELL, I'M, YOU'RE IN SERVICE OR YOU'RE IN A, YOU'RE IN A STUDY AND OH, NO, NO.

WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IS, YES, THE ADULTS ARE NORMALLY IN SERVICE, BUT THE KIDS ARE NORMALLY IN WHAT WE CALL SUNDAY SCHOOL, WHAT WE CALL IT CHILDREN'S CHURCH.

IT'S NOT PRIOR TO SERVICE.

UM, LIKE HOW I GREW UP, I GREW UP, SUNDAY SCHOOL WAS AT NINE O'CLOCK AND THE SERVICE WAS AT 11.

BUT FOR US, WE MEET AT 10 O'CLOCK AND THE KIDS GO TO THEIR AREA AND THE ADULTS GO TO THEIRS.

SO HAVING TALKED THROUGH ALL THIS, UH, FOR MY BENEFIT MM-HMM .

LAY OUT WHAT, UH, LET'S SAY YOU DOUBLE YOUR CONGREGATION.

TELL, TELL ME WHAT YOUR SUNDAY MORNING LOOKS LIKE.

IF OUR, IF OUR CONGREGATION HAS DOUBLED, THEN, UH, I, OR, OR LET'S SAY IT'S EASTER.

WELL, IT'S, OR IT'S EASTER, EVERYBODY BRINGS A FRIEND.

RIGHT.

UH, IF IT IS, IF IT IS A SITUATION LIKE THAT WHERE IT IS EASTER, WE MAKE SURE THEN THAT WE DO A SUNRISE SERVICE.

WE MAKE SURE THEN THAT WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER SERVICES OTHER THAN THE 10 O'CLOCK SERVICE.

AND THAT ALLEVIATES, UH, WHAT, THAT, THAT ALLEVIATES THE CONCERNS IN THAT AGAIN, BUT PREDOMINANTLY OF OUR MEMBERS ARE VIRTUAL, MANY OF THEM ARE VIRTUAL.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.

REASON TO APPROVE THOSE CONDITIONAL USES FOR THE CHURCHES.

YES, SIR.

NO PROBLEM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, COUNCIL, STAFF, MAYOR? WELL, LET'S, LET'S TAKE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FIRST AND WE'LL GET THE STAFF IF YOU WANT.

CIRCLE BACK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

COUNCILMAN DIRITO, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF FOR MR. WOODMAN? YEAH, MR. WOODMAN, TWO, TWO QUESTIONS, ACTUALLY, MR. WOODMAN, IN THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT, UH, STAFF PROVIDED A LIST OF, UM, MASTER PLAN AMENS OVER THE YEARS IN THE AREA OF, OF THE, UH, POD 16 THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SPEAKING TO TONIGHT.

UM, AND THERE WAS TWO CHURCHES APPROVED IN HERE.

ONE WAS IN OH SEVEN, ONE IN OH SIX, AND I BELIEVE ONE OF 'EM ACTUALLY LEFT THE AREA RECENTLY OR CORRECT.

IT'S NO LONGER THERE.

UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO LEVEL SET MY MIND THAT IF, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND BACK THEN THERE WAS DIFFERENT PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SITTING UP ON THE DAY.

SO THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE REASON THAT THEY JUST DECIDED FOR WHATEVER GOOD

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AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT PODS.

SO CAN YOU TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PODS WHERE THE CHURCHES WERE APPROVED IN THE PAST AND WHAT IS DIFFERENT WITH THIS REQUEST FOR POD 16? YEAH, SO THE POD 66, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2007.

THAT WAS FOR FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.

THAT WAS NEVER, THAT WAS, UH, THE, UH, PROPERTY THAT BECAME, UH, WAS REZONED FOR ECAP COMMUNITY, THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

UM, SO THAT WAS NEVER BUILT.

IT WAS APPROVED, BUT IT WAS NEVER BUILT.

UM, AND THEN THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED IN OH SIX AT, IN POD 56, UM, THAT'S THE HABAKKUK CENTER.

THEY DID MOVE INTO THAT CENTER, THAT'S A MULTI TENT, UM, OFFICE BUILDING SLASH INDUSTRIAL, UM, BUILDING.

THEY DID MOVE IN FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

AND THEN I'VE HEARD THAT THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH THEM AS A TENANT AT THAT LOCATION.

UM, AND THEY EVENTUALLY DID MOVE LOCATIONS AND THEY'RE IN SOUTH FORSYTH, NOT TOO FAR AWAY, BUT THEY DID MOVE OUT OF THAT LOCATION.

SO WAS THE THOSE I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF.

NO, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT THE POD 66 AND POD 56 HAVE, UH, LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE WINDWARD MASTER PLAN.

UM, I BELIEVE 66 HAS A, UH, LAND USE DESIGNATION OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, AND 56 HAS A LAND USE DESIGNATION OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

AND THEN THE APPLICANT'S POD IS A BUSINESS CENTER.

SIMILAR, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME.

UM, I HAD ACTUALLY INCORRECTLY STATED AT PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THEY WERE THE SAME LAND USE DESIGNATION.

IF IT WAS SIMILAR, YEAH.

OBVIOUSLY WE'D HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, I WOULD THINK.

UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, UM, YOU SPOKE TO THE DEFERRAL BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MM-HMM .

FROM FEBRUARY TO MARCH.

UM, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, UH, I THINK DENIED THIS.

UH, I THINK IT WAS, UM, FORWARDED FOUR TO THREE.

IS THAT THE, THEY THEY ACTUALLY PLANNING COMMISSION.

YEAH, FOUR TO THREE ON MARCH 5TH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOUR, FOUR TO THREE.

IT WAS VERY CLOSE VOTE FOUR TO THREE.

SO, AND THERE'S A DEFERRAL AND, AND I GET IT.

MAYBE, UM, THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION WIND WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA KIND OF WAS FULLY BRIEFED MM-HMM .

SO THAT THEY CAN CHIME IN TO THEIR FOLKS THAT REPRESENT THEM, WHAT THEIR FEELINGS ARE ABOUT THE APPLICATION.

UM, BUT WHAT WAS, I GUESS, IF YOU HAD TO, WELL, TWO QUESTIONS, STAFF APPROVED, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS.

UM, YES.

SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UH, AND WHAT THE BASE OF THAT RECOMMENDATION WAS.

AND THEN SECONDARILY, WHY WAS THERE SUCH A SEPARATION ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE VOTE? BASICALLY ALMOST A SPLIT VOTE, UM, AS IT RELATES TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WE WERE SUPPORTING THIS REQUEST IS THE, THE BUILDING WAS PRIMARILY REMAINING THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY.

SO IT WAS ALL, IT WAS GONNA BE USED PRIMARILY FOR OFFICE INDUSTRIAL USE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

THE CHURCH WOULD BE PRIMARILY, UH, CONDUCTING THEIR WORSHIP SERVICES ON THE WEEKEND WHEN THERE ARE THE OTHER BUSINESSES SURROUNDING BUSINESSES ARE NOT THERE.

SO WE SAW IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THE, THE CHURCH USE INTO THAT BUILDING.

IT WOULDN'T HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING ROAD NETWORK BECAUSE THE OTHER OFFICES ARE NOT REALLY OPERATING.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME DATA CENTERS THAT ARE CONTINUING TO OPERATE, BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE A LOT OF IMPACT ON THE, ON THE ROAD NETWORK.

SO THAT'S WHY STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.

UM, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SPECULATE ON WHY PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE WAS SO CLOSE.

I KNOW THAT THE, YOU KNOW, PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY DEFERRED THE REQUEST, SO IT WAS A SEVEN OH VOTE TO DEFER.

AND I THINK THEY DID THAT AT THE, AT THE REQUEST OF THE WINWARD BUSINESS CENTER, THEY ASKED THE APPLICANT TO MEET WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.

THEY HAD VOICED THEIR, UM, OBJECTION, UH, TO THE REQUEST DURING PUBLIC COMMENT ON, AT THE FEBRUARY 5TH MEETING.

AND SO I THINK THE CHURCH, YOU KNOW, MADE EFFORTS TO, TO MEET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW.

I, I THINK THAT PLANNING COMMISSION, I DON'T REMEMBER EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS, BUT I THINK THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL THAT AGREED WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THEY WERE HEARING FROM

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SURROUNDING PROPERTIES THAT THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE UNINTENDED IMPACTS TO THEM.

UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I, I, I COULDN'T SPECULATE ON EXACTLY WHY THAT VOTE WAS, WAS SO CLOSE.

MR. WOODMAN.

MR. WOODMAN, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE MOSTLY OFFICE AND PARTLY CHURCH IF APPROVED.

UH, BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IN OUR CODE, IT'S UM, ONE SPACE FOR TWO, 250 SQUARE FEET IN AN OFFICE BUILDING.

CORRECT.

UH, SO, UH, THIS BUILDING CAN BE PROPERLY PARKED UP TO 15,500 SQUARE FEET.

SO A PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS BEING USED FOR WAREHOUSE STORAGE.

SO I, WHEN I REFER TO THIS BUILDING, BEING AN OFFICE SLASH INDUSTRIAL BUILDING, THERE'S OFFICE SPACE IN THE BUILDING AND THEN IT'S ALMOST LIKE ONE OF THOSE FLEX OFFICE WHERE YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL PORTION WITH IT.

SO THERE'S STORAGE, MANUFACTURING, LIGHT MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSING, UH, THE WAREHOUSING IS CALCULATED AT ONE PER 1000 SQUARE FEET.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A BIT OF A DISCREPANCY THAT'S NOT IN THE STAFF REPORT IN TERMS OF HOW THEY CAN PARK THIS THING ON THE OFFICE SIDE, OR IS IT, I, I, I DID.

UM, I, IF IT IS, I APOLOGIZE FOR OVERLOOKING IT.

SO YEAH, I THOUGHT I HAD IN THE PARKING CODE SECTION AFTER I DISCUSSED THE SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, I TALK ABOUT THE ONE PER TWO 50 SQUARE FEET FOR THE OFFICE SPACE AND THE ONE PER 1000 OKAY.

SQUARE FEET FOR THE INDUSTRIAL USE.

UM, SO WHERE'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM? IN OTHER WORDS, IN CONDITION NUMBER ONE, UH, THE LA CONDITION NUMBER TWO, THE LAST SENTENCE SAYS, IF PARKING SPACES ARE REMO, IF PARKING SPACES ARE REMOVED AND EQUIVALENT, THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE BETWEEN THAT, THAT TWO TO ONE RATIO FOR PARKING TO NUMBER OF SEATS IN THE AUDITORIUM, CORRECT? CORRECT.

NOW IF THAT BEING VIOLATED, WHAT RECOURSE, IF ANY, DOES THE CITY HAVE? SO IF THERE'S VIOLATIONS OF CODE OR ZONING CONDITIONS THAT ARE PLACED ON A PROPERTY AND WE BECOME AWARE OF IT, THEN WE UTILIZE CODE ENFORCEMENT TO ENFORCE THESE ZONING CONDITIONS.

AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S IN THAT TOOLBOX? I MEAN, DO, I MEAN, DO WE CLOSE A CHURCH? I MEAN, IT, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT ENFORCEMENT COULD BE VERY DIFFICULT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS THAT THERE'S EVEN AN ISSUE WITH POTENTIALLY A VIOLATION OF, OF THE CONDITIONS OF ZONING.

IT'S, BUT I THINK THAT A LOT OF OUR CONDITIONS ARE SOMETIMES DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.

AH, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. WOODMAN? THANKS, SIR.

SO IF WE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS? THESE WOULD BE FIRST IN FAVOR.

I BELIEVE THERE IS TWO MINUTES AND 47 SECONDS.

UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES LEFT REMAINING 'CAUSE WE PAUSE DURING THE, OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

TECHNICAL TIES ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.

SO APPROXIMATELY FIVE MINUTES.

FIVE MINUTES AND SIX SECONDS.

SO DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? YES, WE DO.

UH, DARRYL TOSON, IF YOU WOULD COME UP, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS DARRELL THOMPSON.

D-A-R-R-E-L-L.

I LIVE AT 4 0 5 RIDGEWOOD WAY HERE IN THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA.

AND I AM A 13 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE CITY.

VERY PROUD TO LIVE IN THE GREAT CITY OF ALPHARETTA.

I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF SPIRIT OF GOD CHRISTIAN CHURCH, AND I'M ALSO AN ATTORNEY.

UH, AND WE ARE A SIMPLE CHURCH FULL OF GOOD PEOPLE.

WE ARE GOOD STEWARDS OVER EVERY PLACE THAT WE'VE EVER BEEN, AND I'VE BEEN TO ALL EXCEPT FOR THE NORTHWESTERN MIDDLE SCHOOL.

I, UH, INITIALLY MOVED HERE FROM LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA AND HAD THE PLEASURE TO VISIT A NUMBER OF CHURCHES HERE IN ALPHARETTA TO

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FIND A CHURCH HOME FOR MY FAMILY.

I HAVE A WIFE AND TWO CHILDREN.

ONE HAS GRADUATED FROM ALPHARETTA HIGH AND ONE WHO'S A JUNIOR AT ALPHARETTA HIGH.

NOW.

UH, WE ALL LOVE ATTENDING SPIRIT OF GOD AND PASTOR IS PASSIONATE.

WE, WE LOVE THAT PASSION ABOUT HIM.

I'M GONNA BE BRIEF AND JUST SAY, I TRULY, TRULY WILL BE GOOD RESIDENTS, GOOD STEWARDS, GOOD LANDLORDS, AND WE'RE JUST A SMALL CHURCH.

I HEARD SOME OF THE QUESTIONS IN THERE.

EXCELLENT QUESTIONS ABOUT GROWTH.

THOSE ARE VERY REAL.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT EVEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN WINWARD.

WE RECENTLY HAD PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, A NEW COMMUNITY THAT BECAME ANNEXED AS PART OF WINDWARD.

AND WE DISCUSSED MANY OF THOSE SAME ISSUES.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS IT STANDS NOW, IT WOULD BE VERY OPTIMISTIC OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT TWO YEARS THAT WE WOULD EVER REACH PROBABLY THAT 1 24 CAP.

BUT IF WE DID, WE'RE VERY, VERY COGNIZANT.

WE'RE VERY INTELLIGENT.

WE WILL FIND WAYS TO WORK WITH THE CITY.

I'LL ADD ONE LAST COMMENT.

UH, PASTOR IS A BIT SHY ABOUT IT, BUT HIS SON IS ACTUALLY A MEMBER OF THE ALPHARETTA CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HAS BEEN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

HE WORKS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE VERY GOOD CARE AND WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW ALL THE RULES.

SO I JUST STAND HERE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF YOUR APPROVAL FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE, UH, CHANGE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE LEFT? TWO AND A HALF MINUTES.

TWO AND A HALF MINUTES.

DO WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT CARD IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? NO OTHER IN FAVOR.

HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP AND WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, YOU HAVE TWO AND A HALF MINUTES THAT YOU COULD STILL ADVOCATE FOR THIS APPLICATION.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME AND REBUT ANYTHING? UH, CAN WE HOLD IT TO THE END THAT THAT'S PART OF OUR TYPICAL PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURE? SO, YES.

WHICH IS A STATE HIGHWAY WHENEVER WE HAVE OVERFLOW PARKING FROM THAT WAREHOUSE PARKING LOT.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT BOARD IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM? YES, WE DO.

FIRST WE HAVE JOSHUA GANS.

IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

MY NAME IS JOSHUA S GOGGINS WITH THE LAW FIRM OF UNDERWOOD S GOGGINS.

I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE JESSICA CANTRELL.

OUR ADDRESS IS 2 0 2 TRIPLE GAP ROAD, C*****G, GEORGIA 3 0 0 4 0.

AND GIVEN MS. RABYS DIFFICULTY, I'M GOING TO HAND THESE OUT IF YOU DON'T MIND.

TECHNOLOGY LIMITED , SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS.

ACTUALLY, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY, UH, CLIENT, SIERRA CEDAR COMPANY'S LLC AND ALDERMAN DRIVE HOLDINGS, LLC.

WE HAD JOINED THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND THE COUNCIL HAS, HAS CERTAINLY LOOKED INTO THIS BECAUSE YOU, MANY OF YOU HAVE RAISED MOST OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.

WE HAVE THREE PRIMARY CONCERNS.

THE FIRST IS THAT THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS FOR THE SECTION OF WINDWARD DO NOT ALLOW THIS PROPOSED USE.

AND I KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS SORT OF ARTICULATED ITS POSITION THAT THEY DON'T GET INVOLVED IN PRIVATE COVENANTS.

HOWEVER, IMAGINE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT'S BEEN SPENT BY YOUR STAFF, BY THE PUBLIC, AND EVEN IF PROVED IT COULD BE BASICALLY VETOED, THIS PROPOSED USE JUST DOES NOT FIT.

I AM NEVER ON THIS SIDE OF THE EQUATION.

I CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND ON TWO FINGERS.

THE NUMBER OF TIMES I'M OPPOSED AN APPLICATION, AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM IN 20 YEARS.

SO IT DOES NOT FIT.

THE SECOND PROBLEM WE HAVE IN COUNCILMAN HYPES WAS VERY ASTUTE TO BRING THIS UP.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT MOST OF YOUR ZONING CONDITIONS ARE ENFORCEABLE IN ANY PRACTICAL SENSE OF THE WORD.

UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO POLICE WHAT AREA THIS CONDITIONAL USE APPLIES TO WITH AN EXISTING BUILDING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO BASICALLY POLICE THE PARKING AND ALSO TRYING TO POLICE THE NUMBER OF SEATS AT ANY GIVEN TIME THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOMEONE TO, I DON'T HATE TO USE THIS TERM, INFILTRATE THE CHURCH AND GO COUNT CHAIRS.

UM, I ATTEND A CHURCH THAT WAS IN A WAREHOUSE, UH, IN FORSYTH COUNTY.

AND THE CARDINAL RULE IS IF THERE IS NOWHERE TO PARK, GO FIND SOMEWHERE TO PARK.

UM, PEOPLE AREN'T TURNED AWAY.

AND WE PARK UP AND DOWN THE SIDE OF POST ROAD,

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AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE CASE HERE.

THEY CAN HAVE AS MANY SERVICES AS THEY WANT.

THEY INDICATED ONLY ONE.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T SEE ANYONE TURNING AWAY A PARISHIONER.

UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE CHURCH.

I THINK THEY FULLY MEAN EVERYTHING THEY SAY, BUT I'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS WITH ZONING CONDITIONS AND HOW WELL THEY'RE ENFORCED.

AND THAT'S NOT A KNOCK ON THE CITY.

IT'S SIMPLY VERY DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

UH, FINALLY THE PARKING AVAILABILITY OR LACK THEREOF IS A BIG PROBLEM.

UM, ON PAGE TWO OF THAT, UH, POWERPOINT THAT I JUST HANDED YOU, WE'VE, I'VE OUTLINED THESE, THESE ISSUES.

UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP TOO IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE AN ENTITLED SITE THAT IS AN ACRE LARGER THAT WAS APPROVED FOR, I BELIEVE, A 22,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT WAS SOLELY FOR THE CHURCH'S USE.

AND THE NUMBER OF SEATS THAT I HAD AND WAS 250, IT MAY BE THREE 50.

MY, THE DOCUMENTS I READ SAID TWO 50.

NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO CRAM HALF THAT MANY SEATS INTO ONE SIXTH OF THE SPACE AND OWNING THAT ENTIRE BUILDING.

AND I THINK THE CHURCH HAS ADMITTED THIS.

AS THEY GROW, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND AND I DO NOT SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE OR ENFORCE BY GOING INTO THAT BUILDING.

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ATTENDING AT ANY GIVEN TIME? UM, PAGE, UH, LET'S SEE.

I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS SHORT SINCE WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS.

THE MAP THAT'S SHOWN ON PAGE FOUR OR FIVE WITH THE PODS IN WINDWARD, THE YELLOW THERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY RIGHT THERE IN THE BUSINESS CENTER POD.

THAT'S POD 16 IN YELLOW POD, UH, 56 IN BLUE IS THE ONE THAT THE FORMER, UH, TENANT, UH, RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION WAS LEASING.

THEY DID RELOCATE TO TIDWELL ROAD AND FORSYTH COUNTY.

WE ZONED THAT PROPERTY.

UM, THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER, THE RED PROPERTY THERE, AND THAT ARROW SHOULD BE POINTING ACTUALLY TO THAT TRACK FURTHEST WEST.

THAT IS WHERE THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH WAS APPROVED.

WE HAVE TWO CUP APPROVALS WITH NO USES FOR THAT USE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THIS IDEA THAT THERE IS A PRECEDENT.

WE CAN SLAP CUPS ALL OVER EVERYTHING.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO LOCATE THERE OR STAY THERE.

ALSO, AS FAR AS PARKING IS CONCERNED, WE HIRED KIMLEY HORN TO DO A PARKING ANALYSIS OF THIS PROPERTY.

AND COUNCILMAN, HES, I KNOW, BROUGHT THIS UP AND I THINK THE FIRST SPEAKER DID AS WELL.

IF WE, WE HAD THREE SCENARIOS THAT WE RAN, UH, CALCULATIONS ON.

THE FIRST ONE WAS IF WE HAD 16,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND 2,250 SQUARE FEET OF CHURCH SPACE.

THE SECOND SCENARIO WAS 11,500 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND 4,500 OF WAREHOUSE.

AND THEN 2250 OF CHURCH SPACE.

SCENARIO THREE WAS 13,750 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND 4,500 SQUARE FEET OF CHURCH SPACE.

IF YOU FLIP TO THE LAST TWO PAGES OF THAT POWERPOINT, YOU'LL SEE WHAT KIMLEY HORN'S ASSESSMENT, AND THEY ARE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, UM, HAVE DETERMINED WITH RESPECT TO THE WEAK IN SURPLUS OR DEFICIT, BOTH AS IT SITS ON THE GROUND.

UNDER ALL THREE SCENARIOS, WE WOULD HAVE A DEF DEF DEFICIT, EXCUSE ME, OF SEVEN SPACES UNDER SCENARIO ONE 10 SPACES UNDER TWO AND 69 SPACES UNDER SCENARIO THREE WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE SHARED PARKING CALCULATIONS THAT THE UDC ALLOWS.

ON THE LAST PAGE NOTICE IN RED, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE A DEFICIENCY UNDER SCENARIO ONE OF 33 SPACES UNDER SCENARIO TWO OF 23 SPACES AND UNDER SCENARIO 3 72 SPACES.

JUST AS A REMINDER, I APPRECIATE IT, THAT THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

IT SIMPLY DOESN'T FIT AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU DENY IT.

SO I'M JUST WARNING YOU IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS.

YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS? YES, WE DO.

IN OPPOSITION? IN OPPOSITION, YES.

UH, MR. BRIAN FEES, IF YOU'LL COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

LAST AND OH, SURE.

UH, LET'S SEE.

THERE'S ONLY THREE MINUTES,

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WELL, WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE, UH, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

WELL, WE HAVE GEORGIA BARROW.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

ONE MINUTE COUNCIL MAYOR.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH THE MOBILE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND NOT ON THE VERY EARLY YEARS WHEN IT WAS BEING DONE IN VIRGINIA, BUT HERE.

AND WE HAD, WE SET ASIDE A THOUSAND ACRES FOR AN OFFICE PARK BUSINESS CENTER, AND IT WAS TO BE CLASS A OFFICE BUILDING.

AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH MANY REAL, UM, REAL ESTATE CYCLES, AS YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE EMPTY RIGHT NOW.

BUT, UM, WHAT I DO WANT TO SAY IS WE, WE ALREADY HAVE TWO AREAS FOR CHURCHES, AND TO PUT A THIRD ONE IN THERE, I THINK DIMINISHES THE VALUE OF ALL OF THE PROPERTIES.

AND I'M SPEAKING, I'M ALSO A BROKER AND AN APPRAISER.

AND WHEN I SPEAK OF DIMINISHED VALUES, I'M SERIOUS.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION QUICKLY IS, UM, WHEN JIM, JIM MATONE WAS ON COUNCIL, HE APPOINTED ME TO CODE ENFORCEMENT.

AND HE SAID, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS OF EVERYTHING THAT GETS PASSED.

AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, IS IT REASONABLE? AND I LEARNED A LOT, AND JIM WAS KIND OF MY MENTOR FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND HERE, YOU, YOU ARE BRINGING UP, UM, VERY GOOD POINTS ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.

WHAT DO YOU DO? SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'RE SET? YEP.

IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

I'LL GO QUICKLY WITH MY NAME, BRIAN FEES.

I LIVE AT 3 6 9 5 SCHOONER RIDGE IN ALPHARETTA, WHICH IS PART OF THE WINDWARD DEVELOPMENT.

AND I OWN THE BUILDING AT 1255 ALDERMAN DRIVE THROUGH AN LLC.

SO I'M INTERESTED IN A MEMBER OF BOTH ASSOCIATIONS.

UM, JOSH I THINK HAS SPOKEN WELL ABOUT THE ISSUES WE HAVE.

THEY'RE PRIMARILY AROUND PARKING.

UH, WE'VE ASKED FOR A PARKING CALCULATION TO BE DONE.

MOST APPLICANTS INCLUDE, BASED ON OUR REVIEW OF PRIOR APPLICATIONS, UH, A PARKING CALCULATION, THIS ONE DID NOT.

AND OUT OF FRUSTRATION, WE HIRED KIMLEY HORN, EXCUSE ME.

WE HIRED KIMLEY HORN TO DO AN EVALUATION.

2.52 OF THE CITY'S CODE, UM, ADDRESSES SHARED PARKING, AND IT SAYS VERY, VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

YOU ADD THE DUAL USES OR THE, THE SEPARATE USES AND THE CITY CAN REDUCE THE COMBINED TOTAL BY 25%.

THE APPROACH THAT, UH, URBAN LAND INSTITUTE USES, WHICH IS WHAT KIMLEY-HORN DID, ONE OF THEIR SCENARIOS ALLOWS A HIGHER REDUCTION.

SO WE'VE PROVIDED THAT FOR YOU.

AND IN OTHER, IN NEITHER OF THOSE ASSOCIATIONS, IS THEIR SUFFICIENT PARKING, THIS BUILDING.

UM, I THINK THE OTHER THING, I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA HAVE TO INTERRUPT YOU THAT THAT'S TIME.

SO THE COUNCIL CAN, UH, EXTEND EQUALLY FOR BOTH SIDES OR LEAVE IT AT THE 10 MINUTES, BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO EXTEND, IT NEEDS TO BE FOR BOTH THE PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS.

IS THERE WILL OF COUNSEL TO THAT? I MOVE TO EXTEND FOR TWO MORE MINUTES MAYBE? IS THAT ENOUGH? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

ANYBODY OBJECT TO TWO MORE MINUTES? I'LL TRY TO GET DONE SHORTER THAN THAT.

UM, SO PARKING IS ISSUE NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO ALSO RELATED TO PARKING IS WHETHER THERE IS PARKING ALLOWED ON NOBLE COURT.

NOBLE COURT, UM, IF IT IS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES, BECOMES A HAZARD BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET A FIRE TRUCK IN.

IT'S A NARROWER STREET, UH, WITHIN WINDWARD.

IT'S NOT A DUAL LANE.

AND OUR UNDERSTANDING, AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET CLARIFICATION FROM THE CITY.

WHEN I SAY OUR UNDERSTANDING, IT'S THE ADJACENT BUILDING OWNER'S UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PARKING IS NOT ALLOWED ON NOBLE COURT, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN CLARIFICATION.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST SPILLOVER PLACES.

THE OTHER SPILLOVER PLACES ARE THE OPEN PARKING LOTS FOR MY, FOR MY NEIGHBOR'S BUILDINGS, UM, WHERE THOSE ARE OPEN ON THE WEEKENDS.

SO AT A MINIMUM, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO INVEST IN TRAFFIC CONTROL TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTIES FROM BEING OVER PARKED WHEN THEY'RE NOT IN OPERATION.

UM, I THINK THE LAST ISSUE I WOULD MAKE DIDN'T COME UP IS THAT THE APPLICANT ADMITTED

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A REVISION FOR THEIR, UH, HEMBRY, UM, ROAD PLAY, UH, UPPER HEMBRY ROAD LOCATION JUST IN LATE 2025.

AND SO IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT THAT IT HAD, UM, A PROPOSED USAGE MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT IS FOR THIS SITE.

IT WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL TWO 50 SANCTUARY AND THIS, SO THERE'S A MORE RECENT PATTERN THAT SHOWS INTENTION, I THINK, AND, AND WOULD SUPPORT OUR CONCERN THAT THIS SPOT, UH, IS NOT SUFFICIENTLY PARKED CURRENTLY AND COULD BECOME OVERWHELMINGLY PARKED, UM, WITH THE PASSAGE OF TIME.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ALL YOUR WORK AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH AND GLAD TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.

MS. S SW, DID THE TWO MINUTES GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC OR TO THE APPLICANT IF YEAH.

WAS THE APPLICANT? WHEN THE TIME FOR REBUTTAL COMES, WE'LL HAVE FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES LEFT BECAUSE THEY GET THE EQUAL EXTENSION.

THERE ARE 18 SECONDS LEFT IF THERE'S, ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

YEAH, THERE'S 18 SECONDS LEFT.

IF THERE IS ANYONE, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS? THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENT CARDS.

HOWEVER, IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK IN OPPOSITION NOW IS YOUR CHANCE TO DO SO.

SO NOW THERE'S UH, THERE WAS ORIGINALLY TWO AND A HALF MINUTES LEFT FOR REBUTTAL IF THE APPLICANT, BUT WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE TWO MINUTES FOR BOTH SIDES, THE APPLICANT CAN NOW COME FORWARD FOR REBUTTAL FOR FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES.

PARDON? THE APPLICANT HAS FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES NOW FOR A REBUTTAL.

OKAY, SO THE APPLICANT OR SOMEBODY ON YOUR BEHALF.

HI, I JUST WANNA, UH, ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, UM, WHATEVER MR. SAGANS HAS GIVEN YOU, WE DO NOT HAVE A COPY OF THAT.

I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU.

MM-HMM.

NONE OF US HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT EITHER.

, I WAS AFRAID WITH MORE.

UM, I'LL JUST HIT THE THREE ISSUES.

ONE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, UH, RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS FOR THAT COMMUNITY.

IT IS IRRELEVANT.

RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS ARE A PRIVATE AGREEMENT BETWEEN PARTIES AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ENFORCEABLE.

UH, IT MATTERS WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE LAWFUL IN THIS CASE.

THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHO I'VE TALKED TO NUMEROUS TIMES HAS SAID THE POA DOES NOT HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS.

ON PARKING.

UH, MY CLIENT IS NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE ISSUE IS.

ONE THING TO POINT OUT IS THAT THIS IS PARKING ON THE WEEKEND WHEN MOST BUSINESSES ARE NOT AROUND.

SECOND, THE PROPERTY ACROSS, WHICH IS THE SIERRA CEDAR PROPERTY IS NOT ACCESSIBLE FROM NOBLE WAY.

THERE IS A GROUP OF TREES, THERE IS A PROPERTY LINE, THERE'S LAND, AND OVER ON SIERRA NEVADA'S PROPERTY, THERE'S A BUNCH OF OUTDOOR STORAGE.

NO ONE COULD GET THEIR CAR OVER THERE IF THEY WANTED TO.

PARKING IS NOT ALLOWED ON THE CUL-DE-SAC.

THE PARKING THAT IS ON THE SITE IS SOMETHING THAT MY CLIENT WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH.

LIKE ANY CHURCH, IF THEY HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAN PARKING, THEY CAN ADD ANOTHER SERVICE.

RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE A 10 O'CLOCK SERVICE, THEY CAN ADD AN EIGHT O'CLOCK SERVICE.

AND LAST WHAT HAPPENED ON UPPER HEMBRY ROAD, WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER SITE, UNFORTUNATELY WAS JUST TOO EXPENSIVE.

THEY HAD LOST MEMBERSHIP.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MEMBERS OR THE MONEY.

IT, IT'S IN THIS WORLD YOU'RE IN AFTER COVID, IT MADE MUCH MORE SENSE TO GO WITH A BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

THIS ONE HAS BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR TWO YEARS.

THEY CAN MAKE IT WORK AND IT'S ALSO A WAY FOR THEM TO HAVE AN INVESTMENT AND TO BE A LANDLORD.

ANYTHING ELSE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA FOLLOW PARKING? THAT THEY'RE GONNA GROW, UH, WHAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT DO IN THE FUTURE? THAT'S NOTHING BUT SPECULATION.

, THAT'S ALL.

OPEN IT UP FOR ONE MINUTE AND 29 SECONDS FOR OPPOSITION OR NO.

THE PROCEDURE ALLOWS FOR THE APPLICANT TO REBUT DURING THE TIME REMAINING.

AND THERE'S, SHE'S FINISHED, I BELIEVE SO THAT WOULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.

OKAY, SO THAT YES.

YOU MAY ASK STAFF ANOTHER

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QUESTION.

COUNCILMAN HIES FOR THE APPLICANT.

WHEN, UH, WHEN THE LANDLORD LEASES OUT THE OFFICE SPACE TO MAKE GOOD ON ITS INVESTMENT AND THOSE OFFICE WORKERS WHO HAVE THEIR, UH, THEIR OWN LEASES, THEIR OWN BUSINESSES, UM, NEED TO COME IN ON THE WEEKEND TO WORK, YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT.

UH, I KNOW PLENTY OF LAWYERS WHO GO IN ON THE WEEKEND BEFORE REMEMBER THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE A LANDLORD AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THEIR TENANTS HAPPY.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A SITUATION FOR PARKING THAT WORKS.

THAT'S PART OF THEIR BUSINESS PLAN.

THAT, UH, RESPECTFULLY, THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS MY QUESTION.

MY QUESTION IS, YOU'VE GOT 16,000 LEASED SPACE.

YOU'VE GOT A CHURCH SERVICE GOING ON AND THERE'S A DO OR DIE PROJECT THAT'S GOTTA GET DONE THAT WEEKEND AND AND 40 PEOPLE HAVE COME IN FOR THE 60,000 OR THE OTHER, THE OTHER THE 16,000 SPACE.

YOUR OTHER TENANTS AND YOU GOT 40 PEOPLE THERE.

THEY'RE IN WHAT WORLD CAN YOU CONTROL WHEN THE TENANTS COME IN AND DON'T COME IN? THAT'S MY QUESTION.

WELL, THEY WILL BE THE LANDLORD.

UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WRITTEN TO THE LEAST TO LET THEM KNOW AND GIVE SOME HEAD TIME.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'D BE 40 PEOPLE OR TWO PEOPLE OR FOUR PEOPLE.

IT'S PART OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH WHAT DO YOU DO IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH? RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE ABOUT 60 MEMBERS COMING.

THAT'S ABOUT 30 CARS.

THEY'RE NOT VERY CLOSE TO BEING FULL AT THIS POINT.

ALRIGHT.

MAY I, MAY I ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.

UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE LEASING OUT OF THE ALFREDA BUSINESS CENTER, WHICH I KNOW WAS TORN DOWN NOW, UM, WHEN WE HAD SUNDAY SERVICE, THERE WERE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT WERE THERE, UH, ALSO HAVING BUSINESS AND WE HAD SERVICE.

THEY HAD BUSINESS.

IT WAS THE SAME CONCEPT, UM, THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING NOW.

IT'S JUST THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THE CHURCH WAS THERE.

IT WAS SUNDAY WE WERE THERE.

THEY WENT AHEAD AND WENT ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS.

AND WE WENT ABOUT OURS.

THE COUNCIL NEED ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT.

SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CONCLUDE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.

IT'S ALREADY CONCLUDED.

SO WE'VE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'VE HAD THE APPLICANT, WE'VE HAD THE OPPOSITION.

DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNSEL? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR TO APPROVE MP 2 6 0 1 CU 26 0 1.

SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH AS PRESENTED BY STAFF THIS EVENING.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND.

THE MOTION FAILS FOR FAILURE OF A SECOND.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER MOTIONS? I, I, MR. MS. V, DO YOU WANT TO GO? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY THIS APPLICATION.

DO I HAVE TO LIST THE WHOLE THING OUT? I'M SORRY.

GOOD .

I'M SO SORRY.

UM, I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

WE DO DENY MP DASH 26 DASH OH ONE SLASH CU DASH 26 DASH OH ONE SPIRIT OF GOD CHURCH SLASH WINWARD MASTER PLAN POD 16.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT WITH ONE ADDITIONAL ADD-ON TO YOUR MOTION TO INCLUDE SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

ARE YOU ASKING FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION? UH, JUST TO ADD SECOND IT, BUT ADD THE LANGUAGE AT THE END OF SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS PRESENTED BY STAFF.

UH, I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA HAVE TO INTERRUPT.

I'M, I THINK THE COMMISSIONER OR COUNCILMAN REEVES MADE A MOTION TO DENY, WHICH WOULDN'T REQUIRE CONDITIONS.

OH, RIGHT.

SORRY.

SO WERE YOU SECONDING MOTION TO DENY? YES.

TO DENY ANY DISCUSSION, COUNCILMAN? WE GO.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY AND A SECOND

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THIS WAS A TOUGH ONE, I THINK, FOR ALL OF US UP HERE.

UM, AND, AND I ALWAYS LIKE TO TRY TO EXPLAIN MY VOTES.

UM, THE CITY'S CHANGING RAPIDLY, UM, AS JUST SINCE THIS IS STARTING MY FIFTH YEAR AND MY SECOND YEAR AROUND, I'M THE CITY COUNCIL HERE.

AND, UM, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF RAPID CHANGE.

AND WE SEE A LOT OF REQUESTS TO REZONE PROPERTIES, UH, THAT ARE OUTLINED UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN THAT, UM, OR IN THESE MASTER PLANS AROUND THE CITY, WHICH THIS ONE IS IN THE WINDWOOD BUSINESS AREA, THIS MASTER PLAN AND A LOT GOES INTO DEVELOPING THOSE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES, UM, TO CREATE THE ENVIRONMENTS FOR, TO ATTRACT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, WHICH ALSO BRINGS, WHICH, WHICH ALSO DEMOCRATS WHOLE PURCHASING HOME IS RIGHT CITY.

UM, IT DOES ALSO IMPACT, UM, VARIOUS RELIGIOUS CONGREGATIONS IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY, THANK GOD.

UM, 'CAUSE WE NEED MORE AND MORE OF THAT.

I THINK THE PASTOR AND HIS CONGREGATION HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN GROWTH AND HAS BEEN HERE 22 YEARS IN THE CITY.

AND, AND, UH, I THANK GOD FOR THAT BECAUSE I THINK THE MORE RELIGION WE HAVE, PARTICULARLY IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT, IS, IS A GOOD THING.

UM, WE'RE ALSO, WE'RE ALMOST EXPERIENCE A RESURGENCE OF THAT AROUND THE NATION, WHICH IS A GREAT THING AS WELL.

SO WHAT MAKES THE DECISION TOUGH IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A RELIGIOUS CONGREGATION HERE WHO, WHO, UM, NEEDS SPACE TO PRACTICE RELIGION, WHICH, UM, IT, IT IS, IS A VERY EASY THING TO SUPPORT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AS FAR AS THE WAY I FEEL WITH MY RESPONSIBILITY REPRESENTING THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, UM, I'M VERY ADAMANT, I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT OTHER APPLICATIONS AS WELL AS UPHOLDING THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AND THESE MASTER PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH A LOT OF TIME AND INVESTMENT AND MONEY FOR MANY YEARS IN THE CITY, UM, BY MANY PEOPLE IN ALPHARETTA.

UM, AND, UM, WHEN I TAKE A LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THIS, I ASKED ABOUT THE OTHER TWO CHURCHES THAT WERE APPROVED WAY BACK WHEN.

UM, BUT THE CLASSIFICATIONS OF THOSE PODS WERE DIFFERENT FROM THIS.

THIS IS A BUSINESS CENTER POD, AND, UM, UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO TWO SCHOOLS THAT WERE DENIED.

UH, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT MY GUESS WOULD BE BECAUSE OF THE PARKING, BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, LACK OF THEM NOT BEING BUSINESS CENTRIC, FOCUSED ON DEVELOPING THE BUSINESS AREA NEAR WYNWOOD OVER THERE.

UM, AND AM A BIG BELIEVER THAT WE HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL IN REDUCING OUR OFFICE CAPACITY IN THE CITY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS MADE THIS CITY RANK AN ECONOMIC POWERHOUSE, AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO BOTH LIVE AND RAISE YOUR FAMILIES.

AND, AND IT'S NOT ONLY A GOOD SCHOOL SYSTEM HERE, BUT, UM, IT'S THE HARD WORK AND EFFORT OF MANY VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED AND FOLLOWED THROUGH ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CITY THAT WE'RE SITTING IN TODAY THAT ALL OF US SHOULD BE PROUD OF.

AND SO IF WE WERE TO ERODE THE MASTER PLANS WITHOUT REALLY GOOD JUSTIFICATION TO DO THAT, UM, I THINK WE WOULD BE UNDERMINING THE FUTURE OF THE CITY AS FAR AS SUSTAINING THE GREAT CITY THAT WE RESIDE IN TODAY.

AND SO THIS IS AN OFFICE BUILDING, AND YEAH, IT MAY NOT BE FULLY UTILIZED TODAY, BUT THINGS ARE CHANGING.

UM, I KNOW I WORK IN A, AS A GLOBAL PARTNER, AND I DEAL WITH A LOT OF BUSINESSES AROUND THE WORLD, PARTICULARLY IN THE UNITED STATES, DESPITE WHAT YOU MAY HEAR ON THE BUSINESS CHANNELS AND WHATEVER YOU'RE READING, THERE IS A RESURGENCE OF INVESTMENT IN THE UNITED STATES.

UM, AND I DO THINK WE'RE, WE'RE COMING OUTTA THE PANDEMIC ERROR, AND IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, BUT THE INCREASE OF THE USE OF OFFICE SPACE IS GONNA BE A REQUIREMENT.

AND WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THIS CITY BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK NEXT DOOR TO ROSWELL,

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THEY HAVE ABOUT 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.

WE HAVE 20 MILLION, JOHNS CREEK HAS SIX AND A HALF MILLION.

AND SO PEOPLE COME TO ALPHARETTA BECAUSE WE HAVE A GOOD USE OF VARIOUS, UM, THINGS THAT ATTRACT PEOPLE TO NOT ONLY WORK HERE, BUT LIVE HERE, PLAY HERE, AND SEND THEIR SCHOOLS THAT CHURCH HERE AND SEND THEIR KIDS TO THE LOCAL SCHOOLS.

AND SO I'M VERY SENSITIVE IN CHANGING MASTER PLANS WITHOUT REALLY GOOD BUSINESS, UH, UH, JUSTIFICATION.

AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO UPHOLD THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AS WELL THAT MANY IN THE CITY HAS HELPED DESIGN.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH A WHOLE UPGRADE UPDATE PROCESS NOW WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT AS WELL.

SO, UM, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE FOR ME BECAUSE IT'S A CHURCH AND, AND I, AND, AND I LOVE WHAT THIS CHURCH HAS ALREADY DONE AND ACCOMPLISHED.

UM, BUT, UM, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO, UM, CONVERT OFFICE SPACE IN A BUSINESS DISTRICT OF THE CITY INTO A USE OF A CHURCH BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT NOT ONLY OPENS UP POTENTIALLY, UH, AN AVENUE FOR OTHER, UH, CONDITIONAL USES, UH, AND TRY TO USE THIS AS A PRECEDENT, BUT, UM, I WANNA SUSTAIN THE BUSINESS AREAS OF THE CITY AND, UM, IF THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH CONVERSION, THAT THEY GO CONVERSION IN, IN THE WAY BUSINESS IS GOING IN THE COUNTRY.

AND THAT, UH, ALFREDA STAYS IN THE FOREFRONT OF INVESTING IN THE BUSINESSES AND THE JOBS THAT SUSTAIN THE CITY AND KEEP THE TAX RATEABLES AT A STEADY LEVEL THAT THIS CITY HAS DONE FOR THE LAST 18 YEARS.

SO, UM, I HOPE THAT EXPLAINS MY VOTE TO DENY THIS DISCUSSION.

SO I AGREE.

I LIVED IN WINMORE FOR 30 YEARS AND I VOTED IN FAVOR OF THIS CHURCH AT LEAST TWICE.

AND IT, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A CHANGE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO.

SO IT, IT'S NOT ANYTHING AGAINST THE CHURCH.

I'M DISAPPOINTED IF PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN YOU THE WRONG IMPRESSION OF HOW THEY RECEIVED THIS.

I, I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF IT.

I'M NOT DENYING IT MAY HAVE HAPPENED, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I JUST WANNA SHARE THE OVERALL VISION THAT I HAVE.

AND, AND SO I'VE SEEN, LIKE I SAID, I LIVED IN WINDWARD FOR 30 YEARS.

MY WIFE USED TO LIVE, I MEAN LIVE, SHE PRACTICALLY LIVED THERE IN THAT WINDWARD PLAZA OFFICE BUILDING.

SHE WORKED FOR SYNCHRONY BANK FOR MOST OF THE TIME THAT WE LIVED IN WINDWARD.

AND SO I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE.

AND I WANT TO SHARE THE PERSPECTIVE THAT I HAVE OVER THE LONG HAUL IS, AS MS. BARROW MENTIONED, WINDWARD WAS AN AMAZING DEVELOPMENT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CITY OF ALPHARETTA.

AND SHE DIDN'T GO INTO A GREAT AMOUNT OF DETAIL, BUT IT WAS THE TRULY FIRST LARGE SCALE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND MONEY WERE PUT INTO.

THEY CREATED 2,400 HOMES, A GOLF COURSE, 20, NO SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE JUST IN THE WINWARD DISTRICT, I BELIEVE IT IS AROUND SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION.

THEY HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL, THEY'VE GOT THE RETAIL THERE AT WINWARD PLAZA.

IT HAS ALL OF THOSE MIXED USE INGREDIENTS THAT YOU FIND CONDENSED AT AVALON AND MANY OF THE OTHER PLACES LIKE HALCYON AND AROUND THE CITY AND THE STATE NOW.

BUT IT WAS REALLY THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED.

ALL THOSE COMPONENTS WERE MEANT TO COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER.

AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WHEN COVID HIT AND MY WIFE'S COMPANY PULLED 800 PEOPLE OUT OF THAT OFFICE BUILDING, IT WAS PRACTICALLY A GHOST TOWN.

AND SO IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTED ALL OF THOSE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS AND THE HOTEL AND THE RESTAURANTS AND THE HAIR CUTTING PLACES, AND ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE AMENITIES, NOT JUST FOR THAT BUILDING OR THAT OFFICE PART, BUT THE ENTIRE WINWARD CORRIDOR THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO, IF YOU WATCH THE BUSINESS CHRONICLE AS OFTEN AS THE HEADLINES I DO, YOU'LL SEE WINWARD MOST OF THE TIME IT SHIFTS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT SHIFTS FROM MONTH TO WEEK OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT MANY OF THE TIMES YOU SEE A BUSINESS

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CHRONICLE HIGHLIGHT AND IT SAYS THE LARGEST OFFICE PARK IN METRO ATLANTA IS WINDWARD.

THAT'S INCREDIBLE TO THINK THAT WAY OUT.

40 YEARS AGO WHEN ATLANTA WAS BOOMING, THAT THEY HAD PUT TOGETHER AN INVESTMENT TEAM THAT SAW IF THEY COULD JUST BLEND GREAT RESIDENTIAL, GREAT AMENITIES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, IT COULD BE A CATALYST FOR ALPHARETTA.

AND IT HAS BEEN.

SO I DON'T DISMISS THE FACT THAT CHANGING THESE USES CAN HAVE AN IMPACT THAT MAY NOT BE POSITIVE IN GENERAL.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE CONTINUUM PROJECT, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH CABERNET RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW THAT HEWLETT PACKARD USED TO HAVE THAT LARGE OFFICE BUILDING, AND NOW IT'S BEEN CONVERTED INTO A MIXED USE TO INCORPORATE THE SAME KIND OF THINGS THAT WINWARD PLAZA HAS.

WHEN WE WENT TO THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE AND ASKED THEM, WHAT CAN WE DO TO REENERGIZE THE WINWARD COURT, NOT JUST THIS OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT WHOLE QUARTER, THAT SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET ALL THE WAY TO THE CITY OF MILTON, BECAUSE THEY WERE PARTICIPATING IN THAT AS WELL.

AND WHAT ALL OF THESE GREAT URBAN DESIGN PEOPLE CAME TO ALPHARETTA AND RECOMMENDED WAS DOING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING AT CONTINUUM.

FORTUNATELY, WE HAD A HUGE INVESTOR, A TALENTED GROUP THAT CAME TO US, HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN NASHVILLE AND THE GULCH AREAS AND SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, AND THEY SAID, IF WE CAN CHANGE THAT PARCEL FROM JUST BEING OPEN PARKING LOTS AND A BIG 1988 PROBABLY BUILT OFFICE BUILDING, IF WE CAN CHANGE THAT INTO A MORE ENGAGING PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT FOUR, FIVE ACRES CAN HAVE RESIDENTIAL, IT CAN HAVE A HOTEL, IT CAN HAVE TOWN HOMES, SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY LIVE THERE AND WORK IN THAT BUILDING.

WE HAD THAT AT WINWARD PLAZA, AND WE CAN HAVE IT AGAIN, WE HAVE THE PLANS, THE TYPES OF AMENITIES, THE WAYS IT COULD BE.

WHAT WE HAVEN'T HAD IS A PROPERTY OWNER THAT WAS WILLING TO DO IT YET.

AND SO MY CONCERN IS I THINK WE'RE SHORTSIGHTED IF WE START TO AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCIL RITO SAID, WE'VE GOT A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT AN ATTRACTIVE PART OF THE WHIM WORD BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT WHOLE PROJECT.

AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD USE FOR THAT.

IT'S NOTHING AGAINST THE CHURCH.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S EXPENSIVE TO BUY LAND FOR A CHURCH IN ALPHARETTA.

IT'S EXPENSIVE TO BUY LAND FOR A HOUSE IN ALPHARETTA, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE CREATED SUCH AN INCREDIBLE PLACE THAT SO MANY PEOPLE WANT TO BE HERE.

SO THAT'S A LONG WAY, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LOT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT, IS WE HAVE TO, ONE OTHER PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN MY MIND IS WE HAD A COMPANY COME TO ALPHARETTA AND WANT TO BUILD A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON OLD MILTON PARKWAY AT BROOKSIDE PARK.

THAT COMPANY HAD NEVER BUILT ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE CITY OF ATLANTA.

THEY'VE BEEN HUGELY SUCCESSFUL IN BUILDING PROJECTS IN ATLANTA.

AND THEY'VE COME HERE TO DO THEIR FIRST MIXED USE OPPORTUNITY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTA LIMITS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID TO REESE IN A DISCUSSION I HAD WITH HIM A FEW WEEKS AGO, HE SAID, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BIG OFFICE PARK WHEN WE'RE SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION CITY OF ALPHARETTA HAS ROUGHLY 20 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.

THAT'S WHAT MADE THIS CITY WHAT WE ARE.

THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN OUR OFFICE BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT HIS POINT WAS, PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT OTHER INVESTORS THAT HAVEN'T REALLY STARTED INVESTING ON THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF THE PERIMETER, HE SAID, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.

THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE THOSE GIANT OFFICE PARKS NORTH OF ALPHARETTA.

WHAT'S THIS GETTING DEVELOPED NORTH OF ALPHARETTA? IT'S BOOMING UP THERE.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DOING ALL THESE ROAD EXPANSIONS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT EXITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT THE FURTHER YOU GET NORTH FROM ALPHARETTA, IT'S TOO FAR FROM PEOPLE TO GET TO THE AIRPORT.

HE SAID, IT'S, WE'VE GOT A CROWN JEWEL HERE.

WE BETTER APPRECIATE IT AND PROTECT THAT BECAUSE ONCE WE START LOSING ALL OF THOSE OFFICE PARKS, WE NO LONGER HAVE THE

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ECONOMY, THE ACTIVITY, THE RESULTS, AND, AND WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING THOSE ENVIRONMENTS LIKE THE RESTAURANTS AND THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT RELY ON THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS.

SO IT'S NOTHING AGAINST THE CHURCH.

GOD BLESS YOU AND I HOPE YOU FIND SOMETHING, BUT I JUST, I CAN'T THINK OF WHERE IT WOULD BE IN ALPHARETTA OTHER THAN THE CHURCH THAT YOU DID HAVE UNDER CONTRACT.

BUT I WISH YOU THE BEST.

I'VE SPOKEN LONG ENOUGH.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, DO DENY, PLEASE VOTE YES.

AND IT DOES PASS SIX ONE.

[C. Z-25-10/V-25-22 Levitan/75 & 91 Roswell Street
Consideration of a rezoning and variance to allow for the construction of 9 ‘For-Sale’ single-family dwelling units, including 5 detached homes and 4 semi-detached homes, on 1.12 acres in the Downtown. A rezoning is requested from C-2 (General Commercial) to DT-C (Downtown Core) and a variance is requested to Unified Development Code (UDC) Appendix A: Alpharetta Downtown Code Subsection 2.3.3 to modify streetscape requirements along Roswell Street, Marietta Street and Cotton Alley. The property is located at 75 & 91 Roswell Street and is legally described as being located in Land Lot 1269, 2^nd District, 2^nd Section, Fulton County, Georgia.]

SO THE NEXT ITEM WILL BE Z DASH 25 DASH ZERO SLASH V DASH 25 DASH 22 LEVITAN 75 AND 91 ROSWELL STREET.

MR. WOODMAN, ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

COUNSEL.

THE NEXT ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING AND VARIANCES TO ALLOW EIGHT FOUR SALE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS CONSISTING OF FOUR SEMI-DETACHED UNITS AND FOUR DETACHED HOMES ON APPROXIMATELY 1.2 ACRES IN THE DOWNTOWN.

THE PROPOSED DENSITY IS 7.15 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

REZONING IS REQUESTED FROM C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO DTC DOWNTOWN CORE AND THERE ARE VARIANCES TO MODIFY DOWNTOWN STREET SCAPE STANDARDS.

HAVE THE LOCATION MAP ON THE OVERHEAD.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 75 AND 91 ROSWELL STREET, NORTHWEST CORNER OF MARIETTA STREET AND ROSWELL STREET.

THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE CORNER IS UNDEVELOPED.

THE NORTHERN PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO AN OFFICE.

YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IN 2023, THE PROPERTY WAS APPROVED FOR A TWO STORY, APPROXIMATELY 23,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING WITH 2,500 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT.

THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH DOES SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED REZONING.

AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE VARIANCES TO MODIFY DOWNTOWN OVERLAY, STREET SCAPE STANDARDS THAT WOULD THE VARIANCES REQUESTED ALONG COTTON ALLEY, MARIETTA STREET AND ROSWELL STREET.

AND THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING STREETSCAPES.

SO ON ALL THREE OF THOSE STREETS, EACH STREET HAS A TWO FOOT PLANTER.

AND THEN ON ROSWELL STREET, THERE'S A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON MARIETTA STREET AND COTTON ALLEY, THERE ARE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS.

THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

IT DEPICTS EIGHT SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.

ACCESS IS FROM A PRIVATE ALLEY, AND THAT ALLEY HAS ACCESS FROM ROSWELL STREET.

THERE WAS THE INITIAL SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY.

THIS ALLEY HAD ACCESS FROM COTTON ALLEY.

UH, THE THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY THAT SHARES THAT STREET VICTORIA SQUARE DID NOT SUPPORT ACCESS FROM COTTON ALLEY.

SO THE APPLICANT DID AMEND THE SITE PLAN TO MOVE IT BACK TO ROSWELL STREET.

THAT IS ALSO THE SAME ACCESS THAT WAS DEPICTED WITH THE OFFICE BUILDING THAT WAS APPROVED.

THE ACCESS WAS FROM ROSWELL STREET.

THERE ARE FIVE HOMES ORIENTED TO ROSWELL STREET, THREE ORIENTED TO COTTON ALLEY.

THE LOTS RANGE IN SIZE FROM 2,600 SQUARE FEET TO 4,300 SQUARE FEET.

AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS 3,150 SQUARE FEET, BOTH PRODUCT TYPES.

THE SEMI DETACH, WHICH IS BASICALLY A DUPLEX, TWO UNITS SHARING A WALL, AS WELL AS THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES ARE THREE STORIES OVER BASEMENT.

THERE'S A 10 FOOT SETBACK IN LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG ROSWELL STREET AND COTTON ALLEY.

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AND THERE IS A TREE SAVE AREA, AN AMENITY AREA AT THE CORNER.

THERE ARE FOUR, UM, TREES DEPICTED TO BE SAVED IN THERE, INCLUDING SPECIMEN TREES.

THERE'S A NOTE ON THIS SITE PLAN.

THERE ARE OVERHEAD UTILITIES, UH, UM, POWER, UM, IN THIS VICINITY AND THEY CROSS, UH, ROSWELL STREET ABOUT IN THIS APPROXIMATE AREA.

THE NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN INDICATES THAT THE OVERHEAD UTILITIES WILL BE RELOCATED.

THAT WOULD BE TO, UM, RESOLVE A CONFLICT OF OUR REQUIRED LANDSCAPE STRIP PLANTINGS.

EACH OF THE UNITS WILL HAVE TWO SIDE-BY-SIDE PARKING SPACES WITHIN A GARAGE, AS WELL AS A CODE COMPLIANT DRIVEWAY.

THE DOWNTOWN CODE REQUIRES 20 PARKING SPACES FOR THIS COMMUNITY, UH, AND THE APPLICANT HAS ACCOMMODATED THIR A TOTAL OF 32 PARKING SPACES.

AS I MENTIONED, THE AMENITY AREA AT THE CORNER, IT'S 5,000 SQUARE FEET, PRIMARILY A TREE SAVE AREA.

ALTHOUGH THERE ARE AREAS THAT COULD BE USED FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT REPRESENTS 10% OF THEIR SITE, THE DTC ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 5%.

SO THEY DO COMPLY.

THE APPLICANT IS, UH, SHOWS ON THE SITE PLAN AND UNDERGROUND DETENTION IN THIS AREA HERE.

UM, HOWEVER, THEY HAVE INDICATED TO US THAT THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SPEAKING WITH VICTORIA SQUARE.

UM, AND THEIR INTENTION IS TO GET AN AGREEMENT WITH VICTORIA SQUARE TO HAVE THEIR STORM WATER IN THEIR POND.

SO APPARENTLY THERE'S EXCESS CAPACITY IN THAT POND.

SO THE APPLICANT IS IN, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH VICTORIA SQUARE, MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL UPDATES, UH, THIS EVENING.

THAT POND IS LOCATED ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET TO THE NORTHWEST OF THIS LOCATION.

SHOW YOU SOME OF THE RENDERINGS THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED.

SO THEY'VE SUBMITTED RENDERINGS.

THESE RENDERINGS ARE FROM DAVID GRACE, THE SAME ARCHITECT THAT DID THE 1858 ON C*****G STREET.

THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY THE DETACHED PRODUCT.

AND THEN THERE ARE SOME COLOR RENDERINGS, I BELIEVE THIS IS, UM, DEPICTING ROSWELL STREET.

AND THEN THIS IS A VIEW, UH, DOWN THE ALLEY.

THE RENDERINGS REFLECT TUTOR ECLECTIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WHICH IS AN APPROVED STYLE IN THE DOWNTOWN.

UH, THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS INCLUDE BRICKSTONE AND HALF TIMBERING.

AND THE DOWNTOWN CONSULTANT DID REVIEW THE RENDERINGS AND BELIEVES THAT THEY GENERALLY COMPLY WITH THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN REGULATIONS.

THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A TRIP GENERATION REPORT INDICATING THAT THE EIGHT HOMES WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 6:00 AM PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 8:00 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

UM, THE CHANGE OF USE FROM THE OFFICE IN RESTAURANT THAT WAS APPROVED ON THE PROPERTY IN 23 TO THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD RESULT IN A REDUCTION OF APPROXIMATELY 50 3:00 AM PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 40 8:00 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

THEN OF COURSE, WE LOOKED AT THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THE REZONING AND VARIANCE.

WE BELIEVE THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION OF DOWNTOWN IN THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY.

THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH VICTORIA SQUARE, AND ACCESS HAS BEEN MOVED FROM COTTON ALLEY TO ROSWELL STREET TO, UM, AN EFFORT TO LIMIT IMPACTS ON VICTORIA SQUARE.

AND AS I JUST NOTICED, UH, NOTED THE PROPOSAL WOULD HAVE LESS IMPACT ON, UH, TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES COMPARED TO THE OFFICE.

WE ALSO NOTED THAT THE PROPERTY HAS EXCEPTIONAL CONDITIONS DUE TO ITS EYES, SHAPE, AND TOPOGRAPHY.

THE PROPERTY HAS THREE ROAD FRONTAGES.

THE DOWNTOWN STREET SCAPE REQUIREMENTS, UH, UH, POTENTIALLY WOULD IMPACT THE TREE SAFE AREA AT THE CORNER, AS WELL AS THE EXISTING BRICK SIDEWALK AND BRICK WALL ALONG COTTON ALLEY.

SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE, AND HERE.

SO THE SIDE, THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ALONG COTTON ALLEY, AND THERE'S A WALL RIGHT BEHIND IT.

OUR BRICK, UM, IF THIS WERE REMOVED TO COMPLY WITH THE DOWNTOWN STREETSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, UM, THOSE WOULD BE IF THEY, THEY WOULD BE PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC, UH, ASSETS.

SO THEY WOULD NEED TO BE CONCRETE, UH, FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT.

AND IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT VICTORIA SQUARE WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING BRICK SIDEWALK AND BRICK WALL.

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THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT INDICATING THAT THEY RECEIVED PUBLIC FEEDBACK REGARDING TRAFFIC ACCESS, CONSTRUCTION STAGING, GUEST PARKING PRICE POINTS, AND ARCHITECTURE STAFF ALSO RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE FROM, UH, IN VICTORIA SQUARE, WHO SUPPORTED RESIDENTIAL USE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT HAD CONCERNS OVER ACCESS THROUGH VICTORIA SQUARE.

ALL OF VICTORIA SQUARE'S ROADS ARE PRIVATE EXCEPT FOR, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COTTON ALLEY, WHICH IS A PUBLIC STREET.

SO IF THE ACCESS HAD BEEN, UH, MAINTAINED FROM COTTON ALLEY, THE ONLY WAY FOR THESE RESIDENTS TO EXIT OR LEAVE THIS COMMUNITY WOULD'VE BEEN THROUGH THE PRIVATE STREETS OF VICTORIA SQUARE.

AGAIN, THE APPLICANT DID AMEND THE SITE PLAN AND THEY MOVED THE ACCESS TO ROSWELL STREET AT THE SEPTEMBER 10TH CZIM MEETING.

THERE WERE PUBLIC COMMENTS WITH CONCERNS OVER ACCESS CONSTRUCTION STAGING, LANDSCAPING, REMOVAL OF BAMBOO ON THE PROPERTY, AND A DESIRE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO BE INCORPORATED INTO VICTORIA SQUARE.

UM, AGAIN, THOSE COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED AT A TIME WHERE THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN DEPICTED, UH, ACCESS FROM COTTON ALLEY AND THEN PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, CONSIDERED THIS REQUEST.

AT THEIR MARCH 5TH MEETING, THERE WAS ONE PUBLIC COMMENT IN FAVOR AND THAT WAS BASED ON THE APPLICANT CHANGING THE SITE PLAN, CHANGING ACCESS AND PLANNING COMMISSION, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE.

SEVEN OH.

AND IT WAS SUBJECT TO THE 26 CONDITIONS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT, BUT THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

MAYOR PROTO.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

BACK UP.

YOU MENTIONED STORMWATER AND IT WAS CONTINGENT UPON APPROVAL.

SO THEY DON'T HAVE APPROVAL CURRENTLY.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHOWING UNDERGROUND STORMWATER TO COMPLY WITH OUR CODES OKAY.

ON THE PROPERTY.

BUT THE APPLICANT HAS TOLD US VERBALLY THAT THEY ARE, THEY MAY GET RID OF THIS UNDERGROUND STORM WATER IF THEY CAN GET AN AGREEMENT WITH VICTORIA SQUARE.

EITHER SITUATION WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

THAT'S FINE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN BRADY? I'M KIND OF LAUGHING AT THE BAMBOO BECAUSE THAT'S THE, UH, IT'S FUNNY, EVERYONE WHO WALKS BY THERE IS LIKE, OH MY GOD, YOU'RE SCARED TO DEATH AT NIGHT BECAUSE SOMETHING HAS COME OUT OF THAT BAMBOO AND IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK.

UM, WHICH IS PART OF MY QUESTIONING, AND I'M REALLY TAKING A LOOK AT THE SIDEWALK HERE.

SO YOU COME DOWN ROSWELL STREET AND COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN, YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALK WAS KIND OF ALL THE WAY DOWN.

RIGHT NOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT, IT MOVES AROUND, I GUESS TO THE END IN THE CORNER.

SO MOST PEOPLE ARE VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE CORNER, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CONTINUATION, WHAT IS THIS, THIS PASSIVE IS GONNA BE THERE, IS IT GONNA CLEANED UP? I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE SIDEWALK, THE SIDEWALK BEING PUSHED OUT TO THE STREET.

'CAUSE NOW YOU'RE PUSHING EVERYBODY OUT TO THAT STREET AND IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE NERVE WRACKING BECAUSE THE CAM AND THE CURVE OF THE ROAD COMES AND YOU FEEL LIKE A CAR IS DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH YOU WHEN YOU'RE COMING AROUND THERE.

SO IT'S A FEELING OF SAFETY, BUT IT'S, IT'S A VERY WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.

SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE SIDEWALK AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW YOU GOT A COUPLE TREES THERE.

I'M NOT SURE.

I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT CRITICAL ROOT ZONES, BUT FOUR INCHES DEEP FOR A SIDEWALK.

I DON'T THINK REALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IMPACTS TO THOSE TWO TREES THERE, BUT WHAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK KIND OF MOVING OUT? SO THE APPLICANT HAD REQUESTED TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING STREETSCAPE ALONG ROSWELL STREET SINCE WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT RO ROSWELL STREET.

THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN THE, THE CONDITION AND ITS CONDITION NUMBER SIX.

AND THAT RECOMMENDATION WAS CARRIED FORWARD BY PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, WAS TO ASK FOR A MINIMUM FOUR FOOT PLANTER.

SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A TWO FOOT PLANTER THERE TODAY.

SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT PLANTER TO BE EXPANDED, WHICH WOULD PUSH THE SIDEWALK FUR AWAY FROM THE ROADWAY.

SO WHILE WE'RE SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT'S VARIANCE REQUESTS WITH THE, WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION, UM, TO THE PLANTER ON, UH, ROSWELL STREET, WE ARE NOT SUPPORTING THAT PART OF IT.

SO WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IN THE SITE PLAN IS NOT, IS NOT ACTUAL THEN I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING MAYBE IS THAT THE, THE, THE SIDEWALK THEY'RE JOGGING THE, THE SIDEWALK MAYBE CLOSER TO THE ROAD, UH, BUT THEY ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND MAYBE CAN ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.

SO IT GOES JUST TO, IT GOES FROM A TWO FOOT PLANTER TO A ZERO PLANTER AND THEN INTO A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.

SO YOU GO DOWN ALL THE WAY 'CAUSE OF THE CORNER.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M REFERENCING.

THOSE

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TREES RIGHT THERE.

THE SIDEWALK GETS PUSHED OUT DIRECTLY TO THE STREET.

THERE'S NO PLANTER THERE.

THE SIDEWALK GETS REDUCED.

THE QUESTION IS WHY.

YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHOWING TWO FOOT AND IT GOES DOWN TO ZERO.

I I AND THE SIDEWALK GOES DOWN SIX FOOT TO FIVE FOOT.

SO IT'S, IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE COMBUSTIBLE AREA IS WHAT YEAH.

KINDA REP.

AND THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE ALL WALK RIGHT THERE AND IT'S JUST A BIG DEAL.

EVERYONE'S WORRIED ABOUT THAT CORNER AND WHAT'S GOING ON, ESPECIALLY THE WALKABILITY AND HOW YOU FEEL.

SO THANK YOU.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY RELATED TO THE TREE SAFES IN THIS AREA.

THE APPLICANT CERTAINLY COULD ADDRESS THAT.

BUT WE DO HAVE CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES WHERE YOU COULD BUILD THAT SIDEWALK WITHOUT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THOSE TREES.

, COUNCILMAN HEIGHTS, MR. WOODMAN, THE, UH, POCKET PARK, UH, ALSO SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AS THE COMMON AREA PARK.

UM, IS, IS THAT GONNA BE OPEN OR ENCLOSED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF? SO THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY AND DTC WOULD JUST BE AMENITY SPACE.

SO THE SPACE WOULD HAVE TO BE OPEN TO JUST THE RESIDENTS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S NOT CIVIC SPACE THAT HAS TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THAT QUESTION, THERE WAS SIMILAR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AT PLANNING COMMISSION.

I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WAS OPEN TO ALLOWING THIS AREA TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM.

BUT WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS APLAN COMMISSION.

WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN HEAR ME OR NOT, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA WHERE ACROSS FROM THE NEST THEY, UH, THEY GATED OFF THAT LITTLE CORNER VERY SIMILARLY.

SEEMED VERY UNFRIENDLY.

IT'S THEIR PROPERTY.

IT'S THEIR PROPERTY JUST DIDN'T SEEM VERY NEIGHBORLY.

YEAH, YEAH.

THAT WAS AT THE GEORGIAN.

AND THE GEORGIAN HAS DIFFERENT ZONING, DIDN'T HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR AMENITY OR CIVIC, BUT BECAUSE HOW THAT ACTION OVER AT THE GEORGIAN STRUCK ME AS A RESIDENT OF ALPHARETTA.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH STAFF AS TO HOW THAT LITTLE CORNER POCKET PARK IS GOING TO BE HANDLED OR AMEN.

YOU KNOW, AMENITIES OR WHATEVER'S GONNA HAPPEN.

THERE.

THERE WERE, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC INFORMATION GIVEN BY THE APPLICANT FOR THAT.

WELL, THEY HEARD MY QUESTION.

MAYBE THEY'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS IT.

THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. WOODMAN? I TAKE THAT AS A NO, YOU MUST HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU SIR.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIGHT COME FORWARD? HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TECHNICAL ISSUES 'CAUSE I DID NOT BRING HARD COPY BECAUSE THERE WE GO.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SAVE THAT AND ARE FOUR SIGNIFICANT TREES.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBERS STAFF, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS CHRIS OWENS.

MY ADDRESS IS SET 4 2 5 MID BROADWELL TRACE IN ALPHARETTA, GEORGIA.

I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO REPRESENT THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER.

THEY ARE WITH ME, THE OWNER IS JEFF LEVITAN.

JEFF IS HERE TONIGHT AND HIS PARTNER JASON JOSEPH IS HERE WITH US AS WELL.

UH, AS USUAL, MICHAEL'S DONE A FANTASTIC JOB PRESENTING THE APPLICATION.

I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER A COUPLE THINGS AND I HEARD SOME QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE I HAVE ANSWERS FOR THOSE AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THOSE, GET THOSE CONCERNS RESOLVED.

LET'S SEE, JUST LIKE MICHAEL, I'M GONNA START WITH AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE THERE AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MARIETTA STREET IN ROSWELL STREET.

AND WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

AND, UH, MR. BRADY, I KNOW YOU WALK BY BY IT REGULARLY.

I'M GUILTY OF DRUMMING BY SOMETHING FIVE TIMES A DAY.

AND THEN IF YOU ASK ME WHAT WAS THERE, I COULDN'T TELL YOU.

SO I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF TAKING A FEW PICTURES JUST TO REMIND US OF WHAT'S OUT THERE.

SO THIS PICTURE'S STANDING AT THE CORNER OF PIER TACORIA AND LOOKING ACROSS THE INTERSECTION OF ROSWELL STREET AND MARIETTA STREET.

AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW LONG AGO, BUT PUBLIC WORKS TURNED THIS INTO A FOUR-WAY STOP NOT TOO LONG AGO.

AND MY OPINION AND MY EXPERIENCE THERE, IT HAS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED SAFETY FOR TRAFFIC AS WELL AS PEDESTRIANS.

SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT IMPLEMENTATION HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE DIAGONALLY ACROSS, UH, THE CITY JUST FINISHED A SEGMENT OF THE ALPHA LOOP ON THE EAST SIDE OF ROSWELL STREET, GOING FROM OLD MILTON UP INTO DOWNTOWN.

THIS IS LOOKING DIRECTLY ACROSS MARIETTA STREET AT THAT CORNER THAT MR. BRADY WAS TALKING ABOUT.

AND I WILL GET TO THE SITE PLAN, BUT OUR PROPOSAL IS TO LEAVE THE STREET SCAPE AS IS RIGHT HERE, NOT TO PUSH THE SIDEWALK CLOSER TO THE STREET.

THE REASON BEING IS YOU CAN SEE THE GRADE IN THAT PROPOSED POCKET PARK IS HIGHER THAN THE SIDEWALK.

IF WE PUSH THE SIDEWALK INTO IT, WE WILL BE DAMAGING THE TREE ROOTS AND

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BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE MANY MORE TREES THERE BEING SAVED BESIDES THOSE FOUR ON THE SITE PLAN.

THE BAMBOO WOULD GO, UM, DON'T ASK ME HOW TO GET RID OF IT, THAT'S BEYOND MY PAY GRADE.

BUT IT WOULD GO AND IT'S NOT PART OF THE PLAN LANDSCAPE.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, JUST A BIT OF A HINT THERE OF LOOKING DOWN COTTON ALLEY.

THE REASON THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON THIS STREETSCAPE IS TO LEAVE THIS ALONE AND LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS.

UH, VICTORIA SQUARE PREFERRED THAT, UH, WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE TO REBUILD IT WITH LESSER MATERIALS.

IT'S A BRICK SIDEWALK WITH BRICK WALL.

WE MAY HAVE TO EXTEND THAT WALL, BUT OUR INTENT IS TO MATCH THAT MATERIAL.

AND I'VE GOT SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS LOOKING ALONG THE PROJECT FRONTAGE AND MICHAEL MENTIONED THERE'S OVERHEAD POWER.

YOU CAN SEE IT COMING OVERHEAD AND HITTING A POLE THERE.

AND THEN GOING FURTHER UP, ROSWELL STREET, I MET WITH GEORGIA POWER, UM, ASKED THEM ABOUT BURYING THAT OVERHEAD POWER.

AND THEY SAID, SURE, BUT THEY WOULD WANNA DO IT IN A MUCH LARGER AREA THAN JUST IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY.

AND IT WOULD BE, UH, VERY EXPENSIVE.

THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF IT.

AND THEY'VE GIVEN US A BIG NUMBER JUST TO MOVE THE POLES AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

AND THAT'S NOT CHEAP, BUT WE ARE SHOWING THAT.

SO THAT'S THE HORIZONTAL RELOCATION TO MAKE IT WORK WITH STREET TREE PLANTINGS THAT THAT STAFF HAS ASKED FOR.

AND THIS IS A WIDER VIEW OF THAT, EXCUSE ME, OF THAT OVERHEAD POWER IN THOSE UTILITIES.

AND AS YOU CAN TELL, IT'S NOT JUST POWER AT AND T COMCAST AND I BELIEVE EVEN THE CITY HAS SOME FIBER UP THERE ON THOSE POLES AS WELL.

AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING BACK AT VICTORIA SQUARE IN THAT POCKET PARK FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, ROSWELL STREET, UH, MICHAEL HAS SHOWN YOU THIS SITE PLAN, UH, EIGHT UNITS, TWO OF THEM DUPLEX, SIX OF THEM FREESTANDING HOMES, UM, BE A UNIQUE PRODUCT IN DOWNTOWN.

AND LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THE ECLECTIC TUTOR WAS A STYLE THAT WAS MENTIONED.

THESE ARE THE, UH, AGAIN, YOU'VE SEEN THESE, THE BLACK AND WHITE AS WELL AS THE COLORED COLORIZED VERSION OF THOSE KIND OF IN THE LIFE.

DAVID GRACE, A CLASSICAL STUDIO, HAS DONE SEVERAL PROJECTS HERE IN DOWNTOWN.

AND HIS, UH, HIS SKILL AND HIS TALENT ARE CERTAINLY SHINING.

FORGIVE ME, THIS VIEW WAS FROM COTTON ALLEY, FROM THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF ACCESS TO COTTON ALLEY.

OF COURSE THAT WOULD NOT BE THERE, BUT I WANTED YOU TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE FROM THE REAR.

AND HERE IS A SITE PLAN THAT AS MICHAEL SAID, BUT I HIGHLIGHTED THAT POWER POLE OR POWER LINE.

AND THIS IS THE NEW LOCATION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND THAT'S NOT COMING CHEAPLY FROM GEORGIA POWER.

BUT WHAT IT DOES ALLOW US TO DO, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT DOES ALLOW US TO COMPLY WITH THE STAFF'S REQUEST OF A FOUR FOOT BEAUTY STRIP IN A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK IN THE AREA WHERE WE'RE IMPROVING FOR THE HOMES.

ONCE WE GET TO THE POCKET PARK, WE'RE ASKING TO RETAIN THE EXISTING STREET SCAPE, WHICH IS TWO FEET BEAUTY STRIP, FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK AROUND THE CORNER, AND THEN KEEPING THAT, UH, BRICK SIDEWALK ON COTTON ALLEY.

AND THE REASON BEING IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THOSE TREES IS YOU CAN SEE SEVERAL OF THOSE SIGNIFICANT TREES ARE RIGHT UP ON THE BACK OF THE EXISTING SIDEWALK.

IF WE WIDEN THAT SIDEWALK, THOSE TREES WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED.

THIS IS A COLORIZED VERSION OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THAT SITE PLAN.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE POCKET PARK, WE ARE RESERVING SOME SPACE.

MR. MERKEL, YOU ASKED ABOUT STORM WATER.

WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH VICTORIA SQUARE POSITIVE ONES.

WE DID A STUDY, WE ACTUALLY DID SURVEY AT THEIR, WITH THEIR PERMISSION, WE VERIFIED THE PIPES BETWEEN US AND THEIR DETENTION POND HAVE THE CAPACITY TO GET OUR WATER DOWN THERE.

WE ALSO CHECKED THEIR POND AND THERE'S EXCESS CAPACITY IN THAT POND TO SERVE VICTORIA SQUARE AND THIS DEVELOPMENT VICTORIA SQUARE HAS SINCE THAT CONVERSATION, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUR OPINION INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE.

SO I EXPECT AN AGREEMENT WILL GO INTO PLACE.

THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL COMPENSATE THEM SOME MEASURE, AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOME SHARED MAINTENANCE GOING FORWARD BY BOTH HOAS.

UH, THAT TO ME IS A BETTER SOLUTION FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS HOMEOWNERS HERE.

RATHER THAN HAVING INDEPENDENT SYSTEMS THAT ARE BURIED OUTTA SIGHT, OUTTA MIND, THE VICTORIA SQUARE SYSTEM IS ABOVE GROUND AND CAN BE BETTER MAINTAINED AND IN A CONCENTRATED POSITION, IT'S ONE LESS, ONE LESS SYSTEM TO TAKE CARE OF IF THAT AGREEMENT CANNOT BE REACHED.

WE RESERVE SPACE ON THE SITE PLAN TO DO THAT UNDERGROUND, BUT WE WOULD RATHER NOT, I BELIEVE A QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY OF THAT PARK.

THE INTENT IS TO ALLOW THAT PARK TO BE ACCESSIBLE BY THE PUBLIC.

UH, ONE THING THAT WE WOULD RESERVE THE RIGHT, AS YOU CAN SEE, UNIT FIVE HERE ABUTS THE PARK AND THE, UH, THE PRIVATE ALLEY COMES DOWN.

THE PLAN IS TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY MAILBOXES AT THE END OF THE ALLEY.

THOSE WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE BY FOOT.

I MEAN, IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY.

YOU'D HAVE TO WALK PAST FOUR HOMES TO GO CHECK YOUR MAIL.

BUT WE WOULDN'T WANNA RESERVE THE RIGHT TO PUT A FENCE UP ALONGSIDE UNIT FIVE JUST TO KEEP THE PUBLIC FROM WANDERING FROM THE PARK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT HAVE A GATE THERE THAT THE RESIDENTS COULD WALK OUT AND GO ENJOY THE PARK OR GO GO WALK TO DINNER.

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AND AS YOU CAN SEE, MICHAEL MENTIONED THAT, UH, THAT EXISTING BRICK WALL, I HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT HERE ON TOP, AND SHOWING WHAT WE CAN DO LANDSCAPE WISE TO HELP SOFTEN THAT WALL.

AND IF WE HAD TO EXTEND IT, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SOFTEN IT SO THAT, UH, VICTORIA SQUARE SEES WHAT THEY SEE TODAY, BUT WITH A LITTLE MORE LANDSCAPING THAN WHAT THEY HAVE OUT THERE.

NOW, THERE WAS A QUESTION, I BELIEVE FROM THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT AT THE END OF THE ALLEY, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD WE KEEP CARS FROM, YOU KNOW, JUMPING THE CURB, THAT TYPE OF THING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WAS DISCUSSED AT PLANE COMMISSION THAT WE WENT AND DID A LITTLE HOMEWORK IS TO USE A WOODEN TYPE GUARDRAIL TO KEEP CARS WHERE THEY BELONG.

AND THE BEST EXAMPLE I COULD FIND OF THAT WAS IN THE CITY AT RUCKER ROAD AND CHARLOTTE DRIVE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS USED THAT.

AND THAT TOP PICTURE THERE IS SHOWING THAT WOODEN GUARDRAIL SAT BACK IN THE LANDSCAPE.

AND THAT COLOR OF WOOD, THE WOOD IS WEATHERED AND HAS SORT OF BLENDED INTO THE LANDSCAPE AND SORT OF DISAPPEAR.

IT WON'T BE IN YOUR FACE LIKE A GALVANIZED GUARDRAIL TYPICALLY WOULD BE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT PRODUCT AS WELL IF NEEDED IN THE BOTTOM PICTURE'S.

JUST A BETTER EXAMPLE OF THE PRODUCT UP CLOSE.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED THAT WE DIDN'T ADDRESS.

I BELIEVE THAT'S GOT IT.

BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE.

OH, I DO WANT, I DO WANNA BRING UP ONE POINT ABOUT THE STREET SCAPE ON ROSWELL STREET.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE BY THAT RED LINE, UM, WE'RE PUTTING THE POWER OUT TO THE STREET SO WE CAN PRESERVE SOME SPACE BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE HOMES FOR LANDSCAPING AND TREES.

THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE PUSH THE POWER LINES CLOSER TO THE HOMES, WHICH NOBODY WANTS.

AND ALSO IT WOULD STILL LIMIT HOW MUCH WE COULD PLANT OUT NEAR THE STREET.

SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS DOES SAY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE 15 FEET FROM THE POWER LINE TO A TREE AND 15 FEET FROM THE TREE TO THE FACE OF THE HOME.

WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT ON UNIT, UH, BETWEEN UNITS FOUR AND FIVE.

WE'RE ACTUALLY LIKE 34 FEET FROM THE POWER LINE TO THE FACE OF THE HOMES THERE.

THE, UM, BETWEEN UNITS TWO AND THREE, THE BEST WE CAN DO IS 24 FEET.

SO WE WOULD ASK FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY FROM THE COUNCIL TO LET US WORK WITH STAFF TO PUT THE APPROPRIATE PLANTINGS IN THERE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CONDITION THAT, UH, THAT TIES OUR HANDS.

BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER ITEM IN HAD AND I WOULD LEAVE MYSELF AT LEAVE SOME TIME OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.

COUNCILWOMAN BRADY, JUST, I'M TRYING TO JUST CONFIRM WITH YOU THEN.

'CAUSE UH, I THINK NUMBER SIX, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME, SOME OTHER PIECES OF NUMBER SIX OR SO.

NUMBER SIX IS FOUR FOOT PLANNER ALL ALONG ROSWELL STREET WITH A SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS.

THAT'S THE CONDITION AS WRITTEN AS I SAID, WE'RE ASKING FOR IT TO BE FOUR FOOT PLANT OR SIX FOOT SIDEWALK UP TO THE POCKET PARK.

AND BEGINNING AT THE POCKET PARK AROUND THE POCKET PARK AND UP COTTON ALLEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING STREETSCAPE.

AND WHAT, WHAT IS THE, THE WIDTH OF THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK THERE TODAY? FIVE FEET.

IS IT THAT LITTLE SMALL SIDEWALK'S, FIVE FEET? MM-HMM .

THAT LITTLE SIDEWALK'S FIVE FEET.

I WOULD NOT HAVE NORMALLY MEASURED IT, BUT ALL THIS DISCUSSION IS, I DID GO OUT AND CHECK IT WAS SURVEYED.

IT'S NOT JUST A PICTURE, BUT I DID VERIFY THAT I'M, I'M, I'M SHOCKED TO HEAR THAT .

MOST OF US DON'T FEEL, I MEAN, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA WALK IN A STRAIGHT LINE DOWN A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEBODY'S COMING WAY.

IT FEELS LIKE A THREE FOOT SIDEWALK.

BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT, NOT TO BE DISMISSIVE OF YOUR CONCERNS AT THIS CORNER, BUT LET'S GO BACK TO THE PHOTOGRAPH IF YOU DON'T MIND.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN REEVES.

UM, ONE THING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO IS HERE WE HAVE THE ALPHA LOOP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ROSWELL STREET THAT SIDEWALK'S 12 FEET WIDE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THE APPLICANTS AGREED TO IS TO ENHANCE THAT EXISTING CROSSWALK ACROSS ROSWELL STREET TO HIGHLIGHT IT WITH THE ALPHA LOOP GREEN AND ADD SOME SIGNAGE THERE TO DRAW PEOPLE OVER TO THAT WIDER SIDEWALK.

YOU KNOW, WILL PEOPLE WALK ON THE SIDE OF ROSWELL STREET? OF COURSE THEY WILL.

WE EXPECT THAT, BUT ALSO WE DO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WILL MIGRATE OVER TO THAT WIDER SIDEWALK INTO THE ALFA LOOP.

AND WHERE DOES THE, UH, THE DECORATIVE LIGHTNING GOING IN THE, THE LIGHTING? UM, FOR, I KNOW MART STREET'S GOTTA BE ALL OF 10 FEET ON THIS.

UH, MEAN THE STREET STREETLIGHTS? YEAH, STREET LIGHT.

THERE'S A, THEY'LL, THEY'LL GO IN THE, UH, THEY'LL GO IN THE BEAUTY STRIP ALONG ALONGSIDE THAT IF THE POWER COMPANY WILL ALLOW IT.

IF NOT, IT'LL BE RIGHT BEHIND THE SIDEWALK.

DOES IT, DOES IT KIND OF LOOP INTO, TO ROSWELL STREET? DOES IT KIND OF COME UP ALONG THERE? BY THAT STREET YOU MEAN STREET AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT, MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STREET LIGHTING? YEAH, I SAID CREW OF STREET LIGHTING.

I THINK IT, YEAH, I APOLOGIZE, I LEMME REPHRASE THAT.

IT IS GONNA GO RIGHT OFF THE BACK OF SIDEWALK AND IT WILL BE SPACED ALONG WITH, AND THAT'LL BE PART OF THE DRB REVIEW WITH THE STREETSCAPE AS THAT'LL BE SPACED IN WITH THE, UH, THE, THE GATES TO THE HOMES AND THE SHRUBBERY AND THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THERE.

IT WILL BE THE INTENT OF THE POCKET PARK.

HOW WOULD THAT, HOW'S THAT GONNA LOOK? UM, WHAT'S THAT? IS IT GONNA BE PASSIVE? IS IT GONNA BE LANDSCAPED? IS IT GONNA YES, IT'LL BE LANDSCAPED WITH SOME BENCHES AND

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PATHWAYS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

YEAH, IT WOULD BE WALK, SOMEBODY COULD WALK INTO IT, SIT DOWN AND READ A BOOK IF THEY WANTED TO.

SO THE CONDITIONS AS OUTLINED, ARE THEY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT, WITH WHAT YOU NEED TO HAVE HAPPEN WITH THE SIDEWALK? NO, MA'AM.

I DO BELIEVE, AND FORGIVE ME, I, MICHAEL DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THOSE CONDITIONS? I DID NOT, UH, I DID NOT BRING A COPY WITH ME.

WHAT'S THAT? I THINK THE FULL, THE FULL CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ON THE SAME THING.

OH, THANK YOU JUDGE.

I, I, YES, I BELIEVE CONDITION SIX.

IT SAID, AS, AS AIDED DEVELOPERS SHALL IMPROVE ROSWELL STREET STREETSCAPE WITH A MINIMUM FOUR FOOT PLANTER PLANTED WITH STREET TREES.

MINIMUM SIX FOOT CONCRETE SIDEWALK CON, DECORATIVE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF.

AND THE TREE GRATE IS, IS A TYPICAL CONDITION AND AS APPROVED BY DRB, WHICH WE'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH.

HOWEVER, THERE IS A CONDITION NUMBER, NUMBER 16, I'LL ASK YOU TO, TO REFERENCE LANDSCAPE STRIPS ALONG ROSWELL STREET AND COTTON ALLEY SHALL BE PLANTED WITH AN EVEN MIX OF OVERSTORY SHADE TREES AND UNDERSTORY TREES AS APPROVED BY DRB OVERSTORY TREE SHALL BE OFFSET A MINIMUM 15 FEET FROM THE FACE OF HOMES AND A MINIMUM 15 FEET FROM OVERHEAD UTILITIES WE'RE, WE DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CONDITION 16 BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE 30 FEET BETWEEN UNITS TWO AND THREE.

WE HAVE 24 BETWEEN THE HOMES AND THE POWER LINES.

SO THAT'S AN ISSUE.

BUT BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, MS. REEVES CONDITION SIX, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ASK FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THAT, THAT WE DO A FOUR FOOT PLANTER, SIX FOOT SIDEWALK WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF AND MAINTAIN EXISTING STREET SCAPE AROUND THE PROPOSED POCKET PARK AND COTTON ALLEY.

I THINK THAT'S ABOUT AS CONCISE AS I COULD MAKE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PART THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONDITION.

THAT'S THAT OUR REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONDITIONS AS WRITTEN.

AGAIN, NOW NUMBER 11, WE ARE AMENABLE TO DEDICATING HALF OF COTTON ALLEY.

BELIEVE MICHAEL TOUCHED ON THAT TODAY.

THIS PROPERTY OWNS TO THE CENTER OF COTTON ALLEY.

THE OTHER HALF OF COTTON ALLEY IS A PUBLIC STREET CONDITION.

11 SEEKS TO CORRECT THAT AND ASK MR. LEVITAN TO DEDICATE THE OTHER, HIS HALF OF COTTON ALLEY TO THE CITY FOR MAINTENANCE.

WE ARE CERTAINLY AMENABLE TO THAT, BUT I THINK THE STAFF IS CONCERNED THAT IF THAT WILL HAPPEN, THAT MIGHT TRIGGER THE CITY TO REPLACE THAT CON THAT BRICK SIDEWALK WITH CONCRETE, WHICH AS I STATED, WE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE IT AS IS, BUT WE WOULD REFER TO THE STAFF AND TO COUNCIL ON CONDITION 11, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DEDICATE THAT AND MAKE IT A FULL PUBLIC STREET.

OR WE CAN LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS.

I'M NOT SURE OUR CONDITIONS LINE UP EXACTLY LINE AS YOUR CONDITIONS TOO.

I, I'M SORRY, NUMBER DIFFERENTLY.

MY NUMBER FRIDAY, MY NUMBER DID NOT 15.

SO NUMBER 15 ON OUR PAGE IS NUMBER 16 AS YOU READ IT.

INTERESTING.

UH, WELL THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

SO MAKE SURE, LET'S MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH, WITH THESE CONDITIONS TONIGHT.

FOR SURE.

I'M NOT SURE, DID YOU RENUMBER SOMETHING MICHAEL? OR DID SOMETHING MAYBE GET THE OH, MAYBE NUMBER 11 HAS BEEN REMOVED.

THAT'S WHY.

SO I, WHEN I BROUGHT UP NUMBER 11, MICHAEL'S BEAT ME TO IT.

HE'S REMOVED IT, SO WE'RE CONSISTENT THERE.

AND NUMBER 15 IS THE ONE THAT YOU READ ABOUT THE 15 FOOT, UM, SETBACK FOR THE UTILITIES.

IT'S OKAY.

SO HOW WOULD YOU PRO, HOW WOULD YOU PROPOSE THAT BE PHRASED? BECAUSE YOU ONLY NEED A VARIANCE IN A COUPLE OF AREAS.

SO HOW WOULD YOU PROPOSE THAT BE PHRASED? YOU MEAN THE NEW 15, MY 16? UM, YES.

I WOULD SAY A MINIMUM OF 20 FEET FROM THE FACE OF HOMES TO THE OVERHEAD UTILITY SHALL BE PROVIDED WITH FINAL APPROVAL OF LANDSCAPE MATERIALS BY DRB.

AND WE CAN MEET THAT.

SO INCREASE THE, INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF DISTANCE FOR THE PHRASE FROM THE FACE OF THE HOMES BECAUSE IT'S 15 HERE AND YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, IT'S 15 AND 15 IS 30.

I WOULD SAY DO 20 TOTAL INSTEAD OF TOTAL.

AND THAT WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH GEORGIA POWER.

WE ARE A CERTAIN DEGREE SUBJECT TO WHAT THEY WILL DO, BUT ALSO I DO BELIEVE WE CAN GET SOME TREES IN THERE WITH HELP FROM STAFF AND DRB.

IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO PLANT TREES, WE'RE NOT ASKING TO REMOVE THAT CONDITION.

WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH THE SPATIAL CONSTRAINTS WE HAVE GIVEN THE POWER LINES.

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DO WE HAVE CLARITY ON THE CONDITIONS? I I THINK WE HAVE CLARITY ON WHAT MR. OWENS WANTS.

SO LIKE, WE WANNA HEAR FROM STAFF TOO.

UH, STAFF, MR. MAYOR.

I, UM, BECAUSE IT MAYBE A CONDITION WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE ONE THAT'S IN OUR PACKET.

I'M JUST SENSITIVE TO WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR.

RIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT VOTING YET .

BUT WHEN, WHEN WE DO CAST A VOTE, RIGHT, THERE'S APPARENTLY TWO VERSIONS OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO, SO WERE YOU WANTING TO ASK STAFF ABOUT ANYTHING? I, I WANNA KNOW WHAT WELL THEN WE SHOULD PROBABLY ASK THAT MS. MAYOR, I WILL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT CONFUSION.

I'M LOOKING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONDITIONS, NOT THE CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDING CONDITIONS.

SO THAT CONFUSION IS, IS ME, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK THROUGH THAT WITH YOU ALL, HOWEVER YOU SEE FIT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT.

I BELIEVE CONTENT, CONTEXT AND SUBSTANCE WERE OF THE SAME MIND.

I BELIEVE JUST THE NUMBERING IS THE ISSUE.

MAYOR PRO TIM.

WELL, CHRIS, I'D ASK YOU TO GO NUMBER BY NUMBER ON THE LIST OF 26 CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AND POINT OUT EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE WHERE THERE'S A CHANGE REQUEST ON YOUR BEHALF.

AS I SEE NUMBER SIX BEING THE FIRST ONE, EIGHT, BUT THEN YOU SAY ELEVEN'S BEEN REMOVED AND THEN WE'RE AT 17.

JUST RUN DOWN THE LIST.

UH UH YES SIR.

I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

DO YOU HAVE A FULL LIST OF THE CONDITIONS, MICHAEL, THAT COUNSEL'S LOOKING AT? I HAVE MY COPY.

AND I WON'T MARK, I JUST WANNA USE IT TO, TO GUIDE THROUGH.

SO YES, SIR.

SO YEAH, CONDITION NUMBER ONE IS OBVIOUSLY AGREEABLE.

YOU JUST SKIP RIGHT.

THE ONES THAT ARE NOT FAIR ENOUGH.

FAIR ENOUGH, YES.

CONDITION NUMBER SIX.

AND THAT IS YOUR, YOUR NUMBER SIX.

YEP.

SO WE WOULD PREFER THAT TO READ DEVELOPERS SHALL IMPROVE ROSWELL STREET STREET SCAPE WITH A MINIMUM FOUR FOOT PLANTER STRIKE PLANTED WITH STREET TREES, MINIMUM SIX FOOT CONCRETE SIDEWALK AND DECORATIVE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF.

ALL RIGHT, HOLD ON.

THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ON HERE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ON HERE, CHRIS.

THIS IS WHAT WAS HANDED TO US TONIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING DIFFERENT, I APOLOGIZE.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE FULL LIST.

YOU'RE REFERRING TO THIS? YES, SIR.

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, LET'S DO THAT.

FOUR FOOT PLANTER AND A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK.

GOTCHA.

TWO FOOT PLANTER.

WE ARE AMENABLE TO A FOUR FOOT PLANTER.

I KNOW THIS RED LINE SAYS TWO.

WE'RE AMENABLE TO A FOUR FOOT PLANTER PLANTED WITH GROUND COVER SHRUBS AND LOW TREES COMPATIBLE WITH OVERHEAD UTILITY LINES.

THAT'S PERFECT.

MINIMUM SIX FOOT CONCRETE SIDEWALK, DECORATIVE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF.

AS IT'S WRITTEN ON THIS VERSION, EXCEPT FOR WE, WE WILL WIDEN THAT PLANTER TO FOUR FEET INSTEAD OF THE TWO FEET RED.

AND THEN NUMBER EIGHT, WE'RE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

WELL, THAT'S YOUR REQUEST.

IT'S NOT AND I, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR REQUEST THAT WE MAINTAIN THE EXISTING STREET SCAPE PLANTER AND SIDEWALK.

GOT IT.

AND THEN I GOT A NUMBER 15.

NOW CORRECT ME IF YOU CHANGE ANYTHING BETWEEN NOW AND THE RED LINE I'M LOOKING AT 15 IS NOT THERE, BUT LET'S GO TO THAT 15 THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

THERE'S NO RED LINE ON THIS.

YES, SIR.

TO 20 FOOT TOTAL.

I, I WOULD, WE WOULD REQUEST 20 FEET TOTAL, BUT AS LONG AS THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE, WE CAN MEET 24 TODAY TOTAL.

WELL THE CONDITION SAYS 30, YOU'RE SAYING 20, WHICH I WROTE DOWN AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING 24.

I CAN MEET 24.

THAT'S GREATER THAN 20, BUT LESS THAN 30, BUT LESS THAN 30.

WAIT, I'M SORRY, WHAT CONDITIONS? NUMBER 15? YOU'RE NUMBER 15.

IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT 20% LANDSCAPE STRIPS ALONG LINES STREET PLANTED WITH AN EVEN MIX OF BOTH STORY SHADE TREES.

AND IT SAYS IT'S, UH, SAID A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET.

WILL YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HASN'T REMOVED THE ORIGINAL NUMBER 11, MR. BRADY, WHICH NUMBER IS THAT ON YOUR LIST? 15.

THAT'S, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH MR. WOODMAN'S LIST AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AND THAT IS THE ONE WE HAVE NO CONCERN WHATSOEVER WITH THE SUBSTANCE OF THAT.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE 30 FEET ALL THE WAY.

15 PLUS 15 ALL THE WAY.

SO WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH THAT.

HORIZONTAL DISTANCE IS OFF TOTAL?

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30 TO 24.

NEXT, I BELIEVE NUMBER 17.

WELL, LET ME MAKE SURE THE NUMBERING'S CONSISTENT.

ONE MOMENT.

IT'S ACTUALLY YOUR NUMBER 16 EXISTING POWER LINES ALONG ROSWELL STREET FRONTAGE SHALL BE RELOCATED HORIZONTALLY.

SO, UH, WE WOULD ASK TO STRIKE PLACE UNDERGROUND IF GEORGIA POWER AGREES AND OFFERS TO PAY FOR IT.

WE'RE HAPPY ABOUT THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

SO IF I BELIEVE THERE'S AN OR THERE.

SO IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, WE ARE.

BUT TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T THINK THE UNDERGROUNDING IS, IS JUST GONNA BE THAT FEASIBLE.

I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONLY, THE ONLY REMAINING ITEM.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

APOLOGIES FOR THE, THE CONFUSION OF THE NUMBERING.

MICHAEL WAS TWO STEPS AHEAD OF ME AND I I GOT OFF, I GOT YOU OFF, UH, OFF PACE.

THAT'S MY FAULT.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? WE STILL NEED TO HOLD THE REST OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MY APOLOGIES.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS? YES WE DO.

UH, FRANCINE TAYLOR, JUST TO CLARIFY, IS THIS IN FAVOR? SORRY.

YES, THIS IS IN FAVOR.

UM, BEFORE SHE STARTS, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I WANNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, LET YOU KNOW THERE'S ONLY 37 SECONDS LEFT IN FAVOR.

SO IF SHE'S SPEAKING IN FAVOR, IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER EXTENDING EQUALLY FOR BOTH SIDES OR YOU CAN LEAVE HER AT 37 SECONDS.

I JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PREEMPTIVELY NOTE THAT.

ADD A COUPLE MINUTES.

DO YOU NEED, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU NEED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? I HAVE THIS DEBATE CLUB.

I CAN GO FAST.

TWO MINUTES.

EVERYBODY AMENABLE TO TWO MINUTES? YES.

AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

FRANCINE TAYLOR, 2 0 1 7 HIDDEN ALLEY.

AND, UH, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND STAFF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I THOUGHT THAT SINCE I HAVE NOT BEEN SHY ABOUT VOICING MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THE PAST, IT'S ONLY APPROPRIATE THAT I STEP UP AND VOICE MY SUPPORT.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MR. LEVITAN, MR. JOSEPH, MR. OWENS, AND ESPECIALLY TO STAFF.

THEY HAVE HEARD OUR CONCERNS, THEY'VE ADDRESSED THEM AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT AS THE NEIGHBOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THERE WILL BE SOME DISRUPTION, BUT I THINK IT WILL BE AN EXCELLENT IMPROVEMENT AND A BETTER USE OF THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF REAL ESTATE THAN THE PREVIOUS COMMERCIAL WAS.

AND THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU AGAIN YOU, MATT.

NICE JOB, .

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ANY MORE TIME AVAILABLE THAN THE TWO MINUTES? THERE IS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN FAVOR? SEEING NONE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

NOW DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL? OH, IN OPPOSITION.

OPPOSITION.

SORRY.

IF YOU'RE HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS OPPORTUNITY, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

AT THIS TIME, I DO NOT SEE ANYONE COMING FORWARD AT THIS TIME.

WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION.

YES SIR.

MR. MAYOR, I'D OFFER A MOTION THIS EVENING TO APPROVE Z DASH 25 DASH 10 SLASH V DASH 25 DASH 22 LEVITAN SLASH 75 AND 91 ROSWELL STREET.

WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES, I'M GONNA START WITH CONDITION NUMBER SIX.

AS NOTED, THIS EVENING, DEVELOPER SHALL IMPROVE AROUSAL STREETSCAPES WITH A MINIMUM OF A FOUR FOOT PLANTER AND A MINIMUM OF SIX FOOT CONCRETE SIDEWALK.

AND THE REST OF LANGUAGE WILL STAY PER STAFF.

UH, CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT, DEVELOPER SHALL MAINTAIN EXISTING COTTON ALLEY STREETS, SCAPES, PLANTER, AND SIDEWALK LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS IN AREA SHALL BE SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF.

CONDITION NUMBER 15, CHANGE TO A TOTAL OF 24 SQUARE FEET FROM 30.

AND NUMBER 16, ADD THE WORD OR I BELIEVE YOU SAID MR. OWENS HORIZONTAL.

HORIZONTAL, YES.

IN REGARDS TO, UH, PLACEMENT OF THE UTILITIES POWER LINE.

THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE STRIKING OR PLACED UNDERGROUND.

AND THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

SECOND, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I, I AGREE WITH THE YOUNG LADY THAT CAME UP TO SPEAK.

IT IS A BETTER PROJECT AND I THINK WE'VE SEEN IN THE CITY WHEN WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH THE APPLICANTS

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UM, YEAH, THAT OFFICE BUILDING WAS A HARD ONE TO PASS, BUT WE WERE KIND OF TIED, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN PUSH BACK ON, BUT THE APPLICANTS WERE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF WANTING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS WHO WANTS TO BUILD AN OFFICE BUILDING BUT HATES YOU.

SO, UM, I THINK , WAIT, NEVERMIND, .

UM, NO, I, I, I DO, I APPRECIATE THE PROCESS THIS WENT THROUGH AND I KNOW IT WASN'T A QUICK ONE AND I KNOW IT WASN'T A CHEAP ONE.

SO I'M, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE AND HAPPY THAT, UH, WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT.

SO THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN REEVES.

YOU KNOW, THE MORE THE TIGHTER WE GET SQUEEZED FOR, FOR SPACE AND FOR LAND AND DEVELOPMENT POSSIBILITIES HERE IN ALPHARETTA, THE MORE THAT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE PEOPLE COME OUT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WAIT A MINUTE, I, I THINK THIS IS GONNA IMPACT ME.

AND I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF OUR CITIZENS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE CITY PROVIDES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK.

AND IT'S REALLY TRULY A TESTAMENT TO OUR STAFF AND TO THE DEVELOPERS HERE IN THE, IN, IN OUR AREA THAT THEY'RE LISTENING.

'CAUSE YOU LOOK AT THAT PROJECT AND YOU LOOK AT HOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRANSITIONED OVER TIME AND YOU CAN SEE THAT PEOPLE WERE LISTENED TO AND THAT THE PRODUCT THAT'S COMING OUT LOOKS LIKE IT, IT'S GONNA FIT IN.

EXACTLY.

SO I'M APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

IT MAKES, IT MAKES VOTING ON THIS A LOT EASIER.

SO GRATEFUL.

COUNCILMAN BRADY.

I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING.

JUST, UH, ALSO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOU GUYS.

SO YOU GUYS ARE, UH, WENT THROUGH A LOT.

I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO KIND OF PUT TOGETHER THE OFFICE AND EVERYTHING IS THERE FOR EVERYONE WHO WALKS THERE.

WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE RESIDENTIAL HOME OWNERSHIP ON THE CORNER, UM, AND JUST THE MORE PEOPLE KIND OF WALKING BY.

SO WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE VOTE YES.

AND IT DOES PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

[D. PH-26-06 Resolution: Alpharetta Annual Capital Improvement Element (CIE) Update
Consideration and approval of a resolution authorizing transmittal of the Annual CIE Update for Fiscal Year 2025 to the Atlanta Regional Commission as part of the City’s Impact Fee Program.]

NEXT ITEM IS PH DASH 26 DASH OH SIX.

RESOLUTION FOR THE ALPHARETTA ANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT UPDATE.

DIRECTOR COOK.

MAYOR, CAN I GO AHEAD AND READ THE RESOLUTION? PARDON? MAY I GO AHEAD AND READ THE RESOLUTION? YES, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY READ THE RESOLUTION.

A RESOLUTION BY MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, GEORGIA FOR TRANSMITTAL OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2025, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I WAS DISTRACTED BY KATHY HAVING A BEARD.

, MY AGENDA SAID KATHY WAS PRESENTING.

FORGOT TO SHARE THIS.

UM, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AS MS. SWIN HAD PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, WE'RE SEEKING YOUR AUTHORIZATION TO TRANSMIT THE FISCAL YEAR 25 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT AND ANNUAL REPORT TO THE ATLANTA REGIONAL COMMISSION AND THE GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.

WE DO THIS ANNUALLY 'CAUSE THE GEORGIA PLANNING ACT REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS UTILIZING IMPACT FEE SYSTEMS TO PROVIDE ANNUAL UPDATES, OTHER CIE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE'S MINIMUM STANDARDS, PROCEDURES, AND IMPACT FEE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING TONIGHT'S ITEM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE AT THIS TIME.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR GEORGE? NOT KATHY, I SEE YOU DID SO GREAT.

THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE QUESTIONS, GEORGE.

WELL DONE.

MR. ESKI, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS ON THIS ITEM? WE DO NOT.

HOWEVER, IF ANYONE WANTS TO COME FORWARD, NOW'S YOUR CHANCE.

I, I KNOW THAT'S NOT A BAD THING.

NO.

SO, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNSEL? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES, SIR.

MR. MAYOR, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION.

ALFREDA ANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT CIE UPDATE AS PRESENTED BY GEORGE.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TIM MERKEL AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DORITO.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE.

ALONG THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. UH, THAT'S WHY HE SAYS BEEN DEFERRED.

AND IT DOES PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT

[E. The following items have been deferred or withdrawn and will not be considered during this meeting:]

IS THAT THE SAME ONE THAT WAS DEFERRED BEFORE? YES.

SO THAT'S WE MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

EXCUSE ME.

[02:15:09]

OKAY,

[A. Purchase Approval for Managed Security Services Renewal
Consideration and approval of a managed security services renewal agreement through Verinext Corp., in the amount of $94,234.74, and with authorization for the Mayor to execute all necessary documents.]

THE PURCHASE APPROVAL FOR MANAGED SECURITY SERVICES, RENEWAL DIRECTOR MONTGOMERY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

UH, TONIGHT I'M REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A RENEWAL OF A, UH, MANAGED SECURITY SERVICE, PROVIDE A CONTRACT THROUGH THEIR RESELLER, VARIOUS STORE, UH, VARIOUS STORE CORP IN THE AMOUNT OF $94,000, $294,234 AND 74 CENTS.

UM, FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T ON COUNCIL LAST YEAR, WE HAD, UH, UH, A BIT OF A ABRUPT CHANGEOVER AMONGST OUR SECURITY TEAM.

WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, REEVALUATE THAT TEAM AND WERE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY SO FAR AT LEAST RECLASSIFY AND RE, UH, REORGANIZE THAT TEAM.

AND THAT ALLOWED US TO FREE UP SOME MONEY TO, UH, BRING IN A, A THIRD PARTY MANAGED SECURITY PROVIDER, UH, AT NO ADDITIONAL COST TO THE CITY.

AND THAT HAS PROVEN TO BE TRUE.

AND SO, UH, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT BENEFIT FOR US TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY COMPANY THAT IS EVALUATING ALL OF OUR ALERTS, ALL OF OUR LOGS, AND PROVIDING A, A GREAT SERVICE FOR US.

UH, WE GET, UH, ALMOST HOURLY ALERTS FROM THAT TO, TO LOOK AT THINGS.

UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS, AS FAR AS I KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEM HAVE BEEN FALSE POSITIVES.

UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, NO CRITICAL ALERTS COME IN IN THE LAST YEAR, SO THAT'S A GOOD SIGN AS WELL.

OUR METHODOLOGY OF A DEFENSE IN DEPTH, UH, HAS PROVEN TO WORK SO FAR.

AND SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO, UH, THE, THE DAY-TO-DAY SORT OF MANAGING OF OUR, UH, LOGS AND ALERTING, WE ALSO HAVE OUR, UH, INCIDENT RESPONSE THAT IS A PART OF THE RENEWAL.

AND THEY ALSO PROVIDE SORT OF A CONCIERGE SERVICE WHERE WE DO MONTHLY MEETINGS TO REVIEW THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT AND TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S OF, UH, OF VALUE.

UH, AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, WE GOT AN NAME FROM THIS COMPANY TODAY OF A NEW SERVICE THAT'S GONNA BE PROVIDED INCLUDED IN THE COST TIER TO US.

SO WE'RE MEETING WITH THEM TOMORROW TO DISCUSS THE, UH, ASPECTS OF THAT NEW SERVICE.

UM, JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS THE QUOTE ITSELF HAS BEEN REDACTED, THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THIS THAT ARE PROTECTED, UH, PER GEORGE CODE.

AND SO WE'VE TAKEN THE, THE TAKEN THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, TO PROTECT OURSELVES.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MONTGOMERY? THANKS, SIR.

WE APPRECIATE YOU.

NEXT ITEM IS CONTRACT AND PURCHASE APPROVAL FOR WEB BRIDGE ROAD, PHASE THREE SHRUBS, GROUND COVER, DIRECTOR SU SAVAGE.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS ON THIS ITEM? NO, SIR.

WE DO NOT.

I WAS GONNA SAY, EVERYBODY'S ON OUR PAYROLL AT THIS POINT.

, SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

THEY MAY, THEY MAY STATE, DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL? YES, MA'AM.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MANAGED SERVICES SERVICES RENEWAL AGREEMENT, VERDICT NEXT CORPORATION, THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $94,234 AND 74 CENTS, AND AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.

SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DORITO, A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO, TIM MERKEL.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE YES.

AND IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

SO WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

[B. Contract and Purchase Approval: Webb Bridge Road Phase 3 Shrubs/Groundcover
Consideration and approval of the award of a contract and purchase approval to Russell Landscape for Webb Bridge Road Phase 3 Shrub/Groundcover planting in an amount not to exceed $104,261.33 for the purchase, installation, and watering of shrubs, groundcovers, and sod at the newly constructed Webb Bridge Road corridor improvements (Alpharetta High School to Greenway Access Point), and with authorization for the Mayor to execute all necessary documents.]

THAT'S, UM, MAYOR COUNCIL.

PHASE THREE IS BASICALLY THE BRIDGE SECTION OVER BIG CREEK.

UM, THE SECTION GONNA BASICALLY GO FROM ALBERTA HIGH SCHOOL TO THE TUNNEL, BRIDGE ROAD PLANT.

THE SHRUBS TREES ARE BEING PLANTED.

UM, VE BEEN DONE ALREADY, SO WE'RE GONNA PLANT OVER 2000 SHRUBS.

UM, THAT INCLUDES GROUND COVERS AND SOME HOLLYS ORNAMENTAL GRASSES.

AND WORK WILL BE DONE BY THE END OF APRIL.

RUSSELL IS OUR MAINTENANCE VENDOR, SO WE'RE IN CHARGE OF PLANTING AND MAKE SURE IT STAYS SURVIVE.

SO WATERING HAS ALSO INCLUDED.

AWESOME.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR PETE? THANK YOU, SIR.

WE HAVE NO PUBLIC, SO I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANKS.

A DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL? YES, MAYOR.

I HAVE A, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE THE WE BRIDGE, UM, ROAD PHASE THREE SHRUBS AND GROUND COVER COVER WITH RUSSELL LANDSCAPE FOR, UM, SET APPROVED,

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UM, APPLICATION IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $104,261 33 CENTS FOR THE PURCHASE, INSTALLATION AND WATERING OF SHRUB'S GROUND COVER AND SAW AT THE NEW CONSTRUCTED WEB BRIDGE ROAD CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS ALFRED, UM, HIGH SCHOOL TO THE GREENWAY ACCESS POINT, AND WITH AUTHORIZATION FOR THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.

HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN SECOND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BRADY.

ANY DISCUSSION? YES, COUNCILWOMAN, THRILLED TO SEE ONE MORE STEP HAPPENING ALONG WESTBRIDGE ROAD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE YES AND IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

[C. Request For Proposal 26-111: Mid Broadwell Road Culvert and Sidewalk Construction
Consideration and approval of the award of RFP 26-111 to Summit Construction & Development for Mid Broadwell Road Culvert and Sidewalk Construction with a contract term of three hundred and thirty (330) calendar days, and with authorization for the Mayor to execute all necessary documents.]

WE'LL MOVE ON TO PETE'S NEXT REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.

26 DASH ONE 11, MID BROADWELL ROAD CULVERT AND SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION.

PETE? YES.

UH, YOU GOT FOUR.

THIS, UM, CULVERT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, WHICH IS, UM, JUST WEST OF JENNIFER OAKS SUBDIVISION.

UH, WE WILL BE CLOSING, UM, MID, UH, MID ROCK ROAD THE MONTHS OF MAY AND OR JUNE.

AND MAY AND JUNE, SORRY, JUNE AND JULY AFTER SCHOOL IS OUT THE WHOLE ROAD.

EXCUSE ME, THE WHOLE ROAD, JUST THAT SECTION RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S GONNA BE A BIG HOLE.

BOTH LANES THOUGH.

FENCE.

SO YOU'RE GONNA WRAP AROUND, YOU'RE GONNA GO DOWN FROM THE ROUNDABOUT UP.

BETHANY, UM, TAKE MAYFIELD INTO THE CITY.

WE'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH THE, UM, POLICE AND FIRE ON THIS ALREADY, SO THEY'RE AWARE AND PLANNING ACCORDINGLY.

SCHOOLS OUT.

SO IT'S THE TIME OF THE YEAR TO DO IT.

WE'RE ALSO LEVERAGING T PLUS FUNDS.

SO THIS WAS INITIALLY A STORMWATER PROJECT WHEN IT FIRST GOT LISTED, BUT WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, THIS IS CLASSIFICATION OF A CULVERT REPLACEMENT TO REPAIR A ROAD.

SO WE'RE GONNA LEVERAGE OUR TPOS ACCOUNT FOR THAT AS WELL AS EXTEND THE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION.

WE WENT THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS, UM, AND CONDUCTED INTERVIEWS.

UM, THROUGH THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, THE NUMBER ONE CANDIDATE WAS SUMMIT CONSTRUCTION.

THEY HAVE DONE PLENTY OF WORK WITH US IN THE CITY.

UM, THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO OFF LIKE GANGBUSTERS.

UM, WHEN THE ROAD IS CLOSED, GET AS MUCH WORK AS POSSIBLY DONE KNOWING THAT THE CULVERT NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS.

SO WHEN HIGH SCHOOL BUSES GOING OVER IT.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST FOCUS.

SO, MM-HMM .

UM, THE COST CAME IN AT $1,547,808 AND 50 CENTS.

ANSWER.

ANY QUESTIONS? HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. SVI? COUNCILMAN HEIGHTS, HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE THIS AFFECTING TRAFFIC PATTERNS? WELL, THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE ONE LANE CLOSED.

IT WILL BE CLOSED.

CLOSE.

ONCE YOU'RE GONNA, YES, CLOSE COMPLETELY.

SO, SO, UM, IT MAY BE A PUBLIC SAFETY QUESTION, BUT WHEN WE HAD THE EMERGENCY CULVERT REPAIR OVER THERE ON, ON MAYFIELD NEAR, UH, REX'S REX GRIZZLE HOUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANTED TO KNOW HOW THEY GET AROUND AND THEY WERE CUTTING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS AND STUFF.

SO THAT BEING SAID, DO WE, WE HAVE, WE CAN PLAN IN ADVANCE.

WHAT DO WE THINK THE TRAFFIC'S GONNA DO? WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS SUMMERTIME TRAFFIC IS MUCH LIGHTER FOR US.

UM, ALSO GOING OFF OF WHEN RUCKER ROAD WAS CLOSED FOR TWO SUMMERS, WE WERE DOING THAT PROJECT, WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, WORK WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE AND POLICE TO MEET THE TIMES THEY NEEDED.

AS WELL AS THERE'S, AS TALKING WITH BRAD, UM, HE STATED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE MILTON FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THAT OTHER SIDE RIGHT THERE.

SO IF WE NEED ASSISTANCE, WE COULD CALL FOR THEM AS WELL.

SO IT'S NOT IDEAL.

I GET IT.

UM, BUT THERE IS COVERAGE AVAILABLE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.

MOVE RIGHT ALONG TO MAYOR COUNCIL NEXT, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL 26 DASH 1 0 9 NORTH PARK LIGHTING PROJECT, LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION FUND GRANT FUNDING.

NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

THERE IS NO PUBLIC.

DO I HAVE MOTION FROM COUNCIL A RES, UM, RECOMMEND WE AWARD RFP 26 DASH 1 1 4, MID BROADWELL CULVERT AND SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION TO SUMMIT CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT WITH A CONTRACT TERM OF 330 CALENDAR DAYS IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,547,878 AND 50 CENTS.

AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.

HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DORITO.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE YES.

AND IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

SO WE'LL

[D. Request For Proposal 26-109: North Park Lighting Project with Land and Water Conservation Fund Grant Funding
Consideration and approval of the award of RFP 26-109: North Park Lighting Project with LWCF Grant Funding to PSG Energy Services, LLC in an amount totaling $739,809.41 for pole and light replacement on North Park rectangular fields 1-4, NMML field, and tennis/pickleball courts, and with authorization for the Mayor to execute all necessary documents.]

DIRECTOR ROGERS, WELCOME BACK.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR.

COUNCIL, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

UH, WE'RE, UH, REQUESTING TONIGHT APPROVAL, UH, OF THE RFP 26 1 0 9,

[02:25:02]

THE NORTH PARK LIGHTING PROJECT.

UH, THIS IS, UM, TO REPLACE THE ALL THE WOODEN POLES LEFT IN NORTH PARK AND THE LIGHT REPLACEMENTS ON THE NORTH PARK.

SOFTBALL FIELDS ONE THROUGH FOUR, THE NORTH MIRACLE LEAK FIELD, UH, THE, UM, MULTIPURPOSE NUMBER TWO FIELD AS WELL AS A TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROJECT HAS 50% FUNDING FROM THE LAND AND WATER OF CONSERVATION FUND.

SO THE CITY'S TOTAL COMMITMENT IS, UM, SCHOOL.

THE CITY'S COMMITMENT IS 369,905, AS WELL AS THEN I HAVE TO, WE'RE GETTING THAT FROM THE LAND AND WORK CONSERVATION THIS FUND AS WELL.

UM, WE'RE PARTICULARLY HAPPY ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THE PLAYABILITY WILL BE MUCH BETTER WITH THE NEW LIGHTING, UM, ON THE FIELDS AND WE WON'T HAVE ANY MORE WOODEN POLES IN NORTH PARK.

AND, UH, SO WE'LL GLAD TO GET RID OF THOSE.

UM, WE HAD TWO QUALIFIED, UH, VENDORS THAT, UH, SUBMITTED THE PS.

PSG WAS THE LOWEST, WAS THE HIGHEST SCORING AND THE LOWEST COST.

UM, OF ALL OF THOSE TWO PROPOSALS, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU MAY HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR ROGERS? GREAT JOB.

NO QUESTIONS.

NO PUBLIC.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES, MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION COUNCIL, APPROVE THE AWARD OF THE CONTRACT TO PSG ENERGY SERVICES LLC AND A TOTAL AMOUNT OF SEVEN HUNDRED THIRTY NINE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED NINE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED NINE DOLLARS 41 CENTS WITH THE CITY'S PORTION NOT TO EXCEED 369,905 FOR RFP 26 DASH 1 0 9 NORTH PARK LIGHTING PROJECT WITH LWCF GRANT FUNDING AND LIGHT REPLACEMENT ON NORTH PARK SOFTBALL FIELDS, ONE TO FOUR AND LIGHT REPLACEMENTS ON RECTANGULAR FIELDS, NM ML FIELD TENNIS PICKLEBALL COURTS, AND FOR THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.

MOTION.

SECOND.

MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HYPE.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BRADY.

DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE VOTE.

FOR THE CONDEMN NA OF PARCEL, FIVE OF THE MID BROAD WALL ROAD CULVERT AND ALT PROJECT.

NEXT ITEM IS A RESOLUTION FOR OH, DOES PASS UNANIMOUSLY IS THE RESOLUTION

[E. Resolution: Condemnation of Parcel 5 of the Mid Broadwell Road Culvert and Sidewalk Project
Consideration and approval of a Resolution to condemn property interest in Tax Parcel No. 22 433012030406 at 1285 Mid Broadwell Road, Alpharetta, GA 30004 (Parcel Owners: Eric Sean Abercrombie and Alisan Jeanine Abercrombie) of the Mid Broadwell Road Culvert and Sidewalk Project (Parcel No. 5); estimated just and adequate compensation: $2,550.00 for 435.80 square feet of Temporary Construction Easement; and, One (1) Driveway Easement, and with authorization for the Mayor to execute all necessary documents.]

MS. SWIN, PLEASE READ THAT RESOLUTION ALOUD.

RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO EXERCISE THE CITY'S POWERS OF IMMINENT DOMAIN TO ACQUIRE CERTAIN INTERESTS IN PROPERTY SITUATED IN THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, GEORGIA FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, INCLUDING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.

UH, SO WE HAVE THREE OF THESE CONDEMNATION RESOLUTIONS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

SO THE FIRST ONE FOR YOU IS WHAT WE REFER TO AS PARCEL NUMBER FIVE.

THIS IS LOCATED AT 1285 MID BROADWELL ROAD AND WHAT WE WOULD BE NEEDING FOR THIS, UM, WHAT'S CONTEMPLATED IN THE RESOLUTION AND THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS IS A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT OF 435.8 SQUARE FEET AND THE JUST INADEQUATE COMPENSATION BE PAID INTO THE REGISTRY OF THE COURT IS $2,550.

AND WE WOULD ASK FOR THAT TO BE APPROVED SO THAT THE PROJECT THAT, UH, DIRECTOR VIC, UH, PRESENTED EARLIER CAN MOVE FORWARD IN A TIMELY MANNER.

IS EVERYONE CLEAR ON THAT? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IS THAT ALL WE HAD? PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU SO PUBLIC.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? YES, MAYOR.

I MAKE A MOTION COUNCIL APPROVE THE CONDEMNATION OF PARCEL FIVE, THE MID BROADWELL ROAD CULVERT AND SIDEWALK PROJECT AS REFERENCED BY THE RESOLUTION, UH, REFERRED TO BY CITY ATTORNEY S ONE SECOND.

COUNCILMAN HYPES AND I COULDN'T TELL WHO IS THE FASTEST MAYOR PRO TEM.

THERE WERE A COUPLE DOWN THERE.

THAT'S FINE.

WE'LL GO WITH MAYOR PRO TEM IS THE SECOND ALL.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE RESOLUTION CONDEMNATION OF PARCEL SIX OF THE MID BRAVO ROAD CULVERT SIDEWALK PROJECT MS. ESWINE, PLEASE READ THAT RESOLUTION, ALLOWED RESOLUTION BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO EXERCISE THE CITY'S POWERS OF IMMINENT DOMAIN TO ACQUIRE CERTAIN INTERESTS AND PROPERTY SITUATED IN THE CITY OF ALPHA GEORGIA FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, INCLUDING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.

AND IT DOES PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

[F. Resolution: Condemnation of Parcel 6 of the Mid Broadwell Road Culvert and Sidewalk Project
Consideration and approval of a Resolution to condemn property interest in Tax Parcel No. 22 433012030349 at 1325 Mid Broadwell Road, Alpharetta, GA 30009 (Parcel Owners: Wesley Burton McDaniel, Jr. and Judith M. McDaniel) of the Mid Broadwell Road Culvert and Sidewalk Project (Parcel No. 6); estimated just and adequate compensation: $5,750.00 for 621.22 square feet of Permanent Easement for the Construction and Maintenance of Drainage and Slopes; 5,714.79 square feet of Temporary Construction Easement; and One (1) Driveway Easement, and with authorization for the Mayor to execute all necessary documents.]

UH, SO THIS ONE IS FOR PARCEL SIX FOR THE SAME PROJECT.

UH, THE LITIGATION OF THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, WHICH WE REFER TO AS PARCEL SIX, IS LOCATED AT 1325 MID BROADWELL ROAD.

UH, WHAT'S NEEDED HERE IS

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621.22 UH, SQUARE FEET FOR A PERMANENT EASEMENT AND 5714.79 FEET IN A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT WITH THE TOTAL JUST INADEQUATE COMPENSATION TO BE PAID INTO THE REGISTRY OF THE COURT TOTALING $5,750.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MOVE ON TO THE RESOLUTION FOR THE CONDEMNATION OF PARCEL, EIGHT OF THE MID BRAVO ROAD CULVERT SIDEWALK OBJECT.

NO PUBLIC.

ANY QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE A MOTION? YES, SIR.

MR. MAYOR, I FOR A MOTION TONIGHT TO APPROVE RESOLUTION ON CONDEMNATION OF PARCEL SIX OF THE MID BROADWELL ROAD CULVERT AND SIDEWALK PROJECT AS PRESENTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TIMM.

SECOND, I BELIEVE BY COUNCILMAN HES IN DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE YES.

AND IT IS UNANIMOUS.

[G. Resolution: Condemnation of Parcel 8 of the Mid Broadwell Road Culvert and Sidewalk Project
Consideration and approval of a Resolution to condemn property interest in Tax Parcel No. 22 433012021116 at 1066 Gramercy Lane, Alpharetta, GA 30004 (Parcel Owner: Gramercy Park Neighborhood Association, Inc.) of the Mid Broadwell Road Culvert and Sidewalk Project (Parcel No. 8); estimated just and adequate compensation: $4,450.00 for 607.72 square feet of Permanent Easement for the Construction and Maintenance of Drainage and Slopes; and, 1,518.91 square feet of Temporary Construction Easement, and with authorization for the Mayor to execute all necessary documents.]

MS. SWIN, YOU HAVE ANOTHER RESOLUTION TO READ ALOUD? YES.

A RESOLUTION BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ALFREDA AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO EXERCISE THE CITY'S POWERS OF IMMINENT DOMAIN TO ACQUIRE CERTAIN INTERESTS AND PROPERTY SITUATED IN THE CITY OF ALFREDO, GEORGIA FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, INCLUDING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.

UH, SO THIS IS THE FINAL OF THE PARCELS THAT WE NEED FOR OUR CONDEMNATION AT THIS TIME.

UH, THIS IS PARCEL EIGHT, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 10 66 GRAMERCY LANE.

UM, HERE WE NEED 607.72 SQUARE FEET IN A PERMANENT EASEMENT AND 1518.91 SQUARE FEET IN A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT WITH JUST INADEQUATE COMPENSATION TOTALING $4,450.

THANK YOU, MS. ESWINE.

WE HAVE NO PUBLIC, SO WE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNSEL.