Apr 17, 2026 Design Review Board

BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND.

[2. WORK SESSION ITEMS]

HI, GOOD MORNING.

THIS MORNING, UH, THE FIRST ONE WE'RE GONNA HAVE IS, UM, 58 CANTON STREET.

YOU READY? YEAH.

YOU WANNA TURN ME ON MY COMPUTER? THAT IS, YOU'RE NOT PLUGGED IN.

OH, YOU NEED ME TO DO THAT? YEAH.

MINOR DETAILS.

58 CANTON STREET.

SO, UM, NEW RESTAURANT AND THEY, UM, WANNA TWEAK THE FRONT END A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK CURRENTLY THERE'S SOME LIGHT BLUE AWNINGS UP THERE FROM THE OLD VAS CASINO.

UM, I BELIEVE USED TO BE ORIGINALS, I BELIEVE WERE BLACK.

UM, SO THESE FOLKS WANT TO GO TO A DARK GREEN AND, UM, GOLD LETTERING ON THE AWNINGS.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE, UM, EXTERIOR PATIO THAT, UM, VASCA CINA BUILT THAT'LL REMAIN THE SAME.

AND, UH, ARE THEY PAINTING THE DOORS? IT DOES APPEAR THEY'RE PAINTING THE DOORS, AT LEAST HERE.

THIS IS IN SHADOW, SO I CAN'T REALLY TELL.

BUT, UM, I, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PAINT 'EM ALL.

I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.

SO, AND THEN OUR NEXT ONE IS, UH, DOLCE SPOON, WHICH HAS BEEN SEVERAL ICE CREAM SLASH COFFEE SHOPS RIGHT OVER HERE AT THE CORNER OF CHURCH STREET AND HIGHWAY NINE.

UM, THEY'RE JUST DOING A MONUMENT SIGN, UM, PROPOSAL IS TO ATTACH IT TO THE EXISTING SIGN.

UM, STAFF'S NOT A HUGE FAN OF THE WAY THAT ENDS UP LOOKING.

IT, IT SORT OF LOOKS LIKE A BANDAID STUCK ON A WOUND OR SOMETHING.

UM, BUT I, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THEY COULD DO, UM, POTENTIALLY REMOVE THE BACKGROUND AND, AND THE BLACK BACKGROUND AND, AND DO JUST SOME SMALLER ANGLE IRON OR SOMETHING TO, TO ATTACH TO SO THAT IT MAKES THE, UM, MAKES THE CIRCLE APPEAR AS FLOATING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

OR REMOVE THE POSTS ALL TOGETHER AND BRING 'EM INSIDE THE, THE 48 INCH ROUND INSTEAD OF LEAVING THEM EXTERIOR TO IT.

SO WHAT, WHAT MATERIAL IS IN THE BACKGROUND? IS THAT LIKE A PLYWOOD, PLYWOOD MAY, MAYBE IT'S CURRENTLY THERE.

THAT'S WHAT MAYBE IF THEY, UH, CREATED NOT ACROSS THE WHOLE TOP, BUT LIKE A LITTLE, UH, CURVE THAT FOLLOWS THE SAME RADIUS ON THE TOP AND BOTTOM TO KIND OF PULL IT ALL TOGETHER, UH, ON THE BACKGROUND AND MAYBE PUT A BORDER OR SOMETHING.

MAYBE CLEAN IT UP A BIT.

YEAH, IT JUST, IT JUST NEEDS, I, I FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS SOMETHING.

IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT QUITE DOWNTOWN ALPHARETTA AS IT AS IT'S PRESENTED.

SO THE CURRENT THING, UM, IS TO HAVE, UH, THEY HAVING TWO MADE AND THEY'RE PUTTING THEM YEP.

BACK TO BACK.

YEAH, I MEAN, IN THE PICTURE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A, UM, LIKE A WOODEN POST YEP.

UH, I WAS LOOKING, IT SAYS IT'S THREE INCHES THICK HERE.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THEY'RE ACHIEVING THAT.

SO I THINK WE'LL WANNA TALK THAT THROUGH HOW IT'S BEING MANUFACTURED A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.

SO, AND IT SAYS MOUNT ON A, SOME SORT OF STEEL BRACKET.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT EARLIER MOUNT EXISTING STEEL BRACKET RETAINED UP THERE ABOUT, IT'S THE LAST BULLET POINT OF

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ON THE SIZE SEAL BRACKET.

SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL WALK THROUGH THAT WITH YOU.

AND THEN WE HAVE CHEVRON OUT ON OLD MILTON THAT IS CHANGING GAS, UM, BRANDS TO BP.

SO IT'S THEIR TYPICAL JUST SWAP OVER BRANDING STUFF ON THE CANOPY.

UM, I MADE SURE THAT IT'S, UM, NON ILLUMINATED, NOT ILLUMINATED, CANOPY AND NON ILLUMINATED.

UH, WHERE HA THEIR, THEY DID CHANGE THOSE TO HALO ILLUMINATED, UM, HELOS AND IN THE NOTES, I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING CURRENTLY TO THE C STORE, WHAT THEY CALL, SO, AND I JUST NOTICED ON THE MONUMENT SIGN IT DOES SAY TO BE DETERMINED, OH, THE C STORE.

SO THE RED, THEY'RE KEEPING THAT RED.

I THINK THEY, I THINK THEIR INTENT RIGHT NOW IS TO KEEP THAT PART AS IT IS ON THE, ON THE STORE.

WELL, HOW DO THEY KEEP IT? BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION THAN RIGHT? OR IS IT GO BACK? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN EXTRA FOOT OR SO TALLER.

SO I THINK ONE WAS 48, THE OTHER ONE WAS 60 ON THE, THE MONUMENT.

ON THE HEIGHT, YEAH.

OH, THE MONUMENT SIGN.

THEY'LL, THAT WON'T BE LIKE A, THAT THAT'S A WHOLE CABINET.

YEAH, A WHOLE REDO.

BUT WILL IT BE RED? IT LOOKS LIKE A NO, IT'LL BE THE GREEN.

THE CABINET WILL BE GREEN.

NO, BUT NO, BUT THAT CAT HAS A RED, IT HAS A RED BORDER ON IT HAS A RED, YES.

THAT'S A, THAT IS A, UM, MAYBE THAT'S THE CIRCLE CASE.

BROOKSIDE REALLY, UH, SIGN PACKAGE STYLE WITH THE BASE AND THE, THE TWO SIDED, UH, THING.

THEY CAN EITHER DO 'EM IN GREEN, RED, OR I WANTED TO SAY SANDSTONE, BUT I NOW I'M NOT POSITIVE AND, AND HAS, UH, UH, BROOKS I SEEN THIS THEN.

YEAH, THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, OKAY.

AND THEN WE HAVE AC HOTEL BRINGS BACK MEMORIES.

SO, UM, IN OUR PRE-MEETING, RICHARD FOUND DOUG BACK IN HIS, HIS ARCHIVES, UM, THAT THIS WAS ACTUALLY SIX YEARS AGO TODAY.

WOW.

THAT WE SAW THIS AND IT WAS OUR VERY FIRST, UM, AND HE'S GOT HIS PAPER PACKET.

DID YOU GET A PAPER PACKET'S? MY PACKET? THIS IS FROM SIX YEARS AGO.

I STILL ON MY, UM, UH, A VERY BIG FILING CABINET.

I DO OUTRIGHT.

I DO WAIT, WELL WE, CODE ENFORCEMENT WONDERED WHAT THAT BARN WAS THAT HE WAS BUILDING THAT BACK AND NOW WE KNOW IT'S STORAGE .

UM, SO SIX YEARS AGO WAS OUR VERY FIRST COVID ONLINE MEETING.

SO IT WAS A STRUGGLE FOR EVERYONE.

SO THIS ONE WILL GO MUCH JUST A LONGER MEETING THAN .

I I REMEMBER THAT MEETING WELL AND WOW.

HOW WE KNOW HOW TO USE ZOOM AND TEAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT NOW WAS NOT WHAT WE KNEW SIX YEARS AGO .

IT WAS.

SO ANYWAY, UM, BASICALLY, UM, SAME SHAPE, SAME BASIC BUILDING.

UM, WITH A FEW TWEAKS TO THE EXTERIOR, THERE IS ONE ADDED, UH, COUNCIL CONDITION THAT SORT OF CHANGED AND SAID BASICALLY THAT THEY, UM, EFAS SHALL BE PERMITTED AS AN EXTERIOR FINISHED MATERIAL LIMITED TO THE AREAS DEPICTED ON THE ELEVATIONS SHOWN BY REESE VANDER.

SO WE WILL ASK HIM FOR THOSE ELEVATIONS AND THEN I'LL COMPARE TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY, UH, WHAT THEY DID SHOW IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT SORT OF, UH, THE E CAME FORWARD A LOT WITH, UH, THE NORTH POINT ECO DISTRICT AND HOW MUCH YOU COULD USE AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, THEY ASK FOR PART OF THAT AND WERE APPROVED THAT WITH COUNCIL.

ARE THEY SHARING PARKING WITH THE ADJACENT? NO.

EXISTING.

SO ALL OF THE PARKING, IT'S ALL UNDERNEATH.

PARKING IS ON THAT LOT.

FOR 165 ROOMS. I THINK THEY HAVE SPACES IN THE DECK, DON'T THEY? THEY'VE GOTTA BE SHARING IT.

YEAH, THERE'S A DECK.

THERE'S A DECK UNDERNEATH.

THERE'S A DECK UNDERNEATH.

GOT IT.

THERE'S A DECK UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.

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YEAH, I THINK IT, I THINK THERE'S, IT'S 140 ROOMS OR THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS 140 ROOMS. YEAH, IT'S 160 SOMETHING.

OH, IS IT NOW? OKAY.

UM, YEAH, 160 MAXIMUM 165 ROOMS, SEVEN STORIES.

SO O SITE PLAN.

SO THIS IS THE HOTEL RIGHT HERE.

WE'VE GOT HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD, NORTH POINT PARKWAY.

THIS IS THE, UM, APARTMENTS AND SOME YET UTILIZED RETAIL SPACE.

GOT SOME MONTE HEWLETT TOWN HOMES BACK HERE.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME OFFICE AND SOME FUTURE, UH, BUILDINGS IN THERE TOO.

IS BE THE, THAT'S THE BARN BUILDING OR WHATEVER IT'S, I'M SORRY, BB IS THAT BUILDING? YES.

B IS THE BARREL ROOF BUILDING.

I'M GOING TO SKIP FORWARD 'CAUSE I KNOW THE SECOND SET OF ELEVATIONS IN HERE IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

RENDERING.

SO IN THE BACKGROUND HERE IS HAY BRIDGE ROAD.

NORTH WINDS RUNS BACK BEHIND THE BUILDING ON THIS SIDE, AND THEN THE INTERNAL DRIVE AND THE OTHER HOTEL THAT'S SITTING THERE THAT, UM, SIX YEARS AGO, FAIRFIELD, I THINK IS FAIRFIELD.

MAYBE FAIRFIELD IS IS THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT ON HAINES BRIDGE.

THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT UP ON HAINES BRIDGE.

YES, IT'S RIGHT IN THIS CORNER HERE.

SO FOR THOSE THAT WERE HERE, UH, FOR THE FIRST MEETING, THIS PORTION WAS THE PORTION THAT WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW.

THEY DIDN'T EVEN REALLY KNOW WHAT IT WAS GONNA BE.

IT WAS GONNA BE A PIECE OF ART.

THEY JUST COULDN'T NAIL DOWN HOW IT WAS GONNA GET CONSTRUCTED AND HOW THINGS WERE, WERE GOING TO, UH, HAPPEN THERE.

I BELIEVE NOW THIS IS GOING TO EXACTLY HOW IT'S GONNA LOOK.

I BELIEVE THESE ARE LUKE BOND PANELS OF DIFFERENT COLOR AND I THINK POTENTIALLY A DIFFERENT SHEEN ON SOME OF THEM.

UM, AND SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND FOR THOSE THAT WERE A PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, THEY HAD SOME GREEN FINS SPRINKLED.

THEY DID, I'LL SHOW THOSE RIGHT HERE.

THEY HAD SOME, THEY HAD THESE FINS THAT ARE STILL THERE.

UM, BUT THEY'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT COLOR AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE ILLUMINATED THIS TIME.

UM, SO THE COLOR IS MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT IT WAS.

IT WAS SORT OF THE BP GREEN BEFORE I FELT LIKE, AND NOW IT'S, IT'S MUTED DOWN QUITE A BIT.

UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRANCE.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS NORTH WINDS RIGHT HERE.

NOT REALLY SURE WHY IT SHOWS THAT HUGE CURVE THERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT A BIG, THAT BIG OF A CURVE.

UH, THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THEIR PARKING DECK.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BEND THERE.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BEND, BUT THIS LOOKS A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.

UM, SO THIS IS THE ENTRANCE INTO THEIR DECK OFF OF THAT, UM, SORT OF INTERIOR DRIVEWAY, NORTH WINDS PARKWAY, HAINES BRIDGE ROAD.

UM, WASN'T THERE AT ONE POINT GONNA BE A, SOME SORT OF UNDERPASS? THERE WAS POTENTIALLY GONNA BE A TUNNEL HERE? YES.

I BELIEVE THAT'S ABANDONED.

OKAY, OKAY.

BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE THAT WAS, WHERE THAT WAS GONNA BE.

HOW IT WAS GONNA WORK NOT HAPPEN.

THIS ELEVATION POINTS OUT A GOOD, UM, ASPECT THAT, UM, MR. ROWAN BRINGS FORWARD QUITE A BIT IN THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL HVAC UNITS OR, UM, ROOMS. AND SO, UM, I, I SENT COMMENTS BACK TO, TO THE APPLICANT AND, AND SAID, THINK ABOUT A DIFFERENT SOLUTION THE WAY THESE LOOK IT, IT'S, I I FEEL LIKE IT'S STAFF FEELS LIKE

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IT'S WAY TOO BUSY.

UM, POTENTIALLY IF THERE WERE, WE, UM, IF POTENTIALLY IF THERE WERE ONE UNIT, SO IT LOOKS LIKE ONE SCREEN RATHER THAN TWO, UM, OR COLOR MATCH TO MEET THE BACKGROUND, UM, I THINK ALL OF THAT HELPS.

AND ONE THING THAT, UM, THERE'S AN ELEVATION HERE THAT THEY'RE MUCH MORE MUTED IN THIS ELEVATION.

AND I THINK IT'S, IT FEELS BETTER TO ME.

I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO PAINT THAT THOSE GRILLS TO MATCH THE BODY OF THE, I I, I FOUND THAT AS WELL.

BUT, BUT, AND IT COULD BE A RENDERING THING, BUT, BUT CLEARLY IN, IN THIS, UH, 2D IT, IT APPEARS THAT THEY'RE ASSET, RIGHT? WE, WE DO A LOT OF THIS BRAND OF HOTEL WITH THESE TYPE OF LOURES AND TYPICALLY YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SEE THEM MATCH THE COLOR OF THE BACKGROUND AREA.

UM, BUT UH, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THEY COULD DO WITH THE, THE TEXTURE OF THOSE, THOSE FULL PANELS TO KIND OF GET 'EM TO BLEND BETTER WITH, I BELIEVE THAT'S EFIS.

UM, BUT I KNOW I CAN'T REALLY PARTICIPATE IN THIS ONE, BUT , RIGHT.

SO, UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A COMMENT.

AND THEN I ALSO FORWARD THEM A COMMENT ABOUT MATERIALS WHEN, UM, WE MET WITH THE CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN AND I MET, UM, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A PICTURE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF MATERIAL BOARDS AND THEN THESE ARE RENDERED SNIP YOU MIGHT SAY.

AND I FEEL LIKE TO THE STAFF'S FEELING THIS, THIS RENDERED PICTURE HAS A BETTER TEXTURE FEEL TO IT WITH THE, WITH THE OPPOSING COLORS OF MORTAR AND BRICK OVER HERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CALLING OUT THE SAME COLOR OF MORTAR, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT MATCHES MORE IN THE ACTUAL PHOTO.

UM, SO I, I ASK THEM TO BRING SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, COLOR SAMPLES FOR THE MORTAR THAT, THAT WE COULD LOOK AT.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE IN THE WHITE WE HAVE THAT, UM, THAT ISSUE THAT IT, IT SORT OF BLENDS AND MAKES ONE BIG, ONE BIG AREA BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH MOVEMENT AND THINGS IN THE WHITE BRICK THAT, UM, IT, IT GIVES IT MORE TEXTURE AND MORE FEEL TO IT THAN, THAN THE BROWN ONE DOES.

ANY QUESTIONS? SO FOR THIS ONE, WE'RE LOOKING AT SITE PLAN? YES.

THIS IS A, WE'RE TREATING THIS AS A NEW APPLICATION.

EVEN THOUGH SITE PLAN SHOULD BE PRETTY EASY, UH, BECAUSE IT IT'S THE EXACT SAME.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, WE'RE WE'RE TREATING IT AS A NEW ONE.

IT DID GO THROUGH A DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARING TO ADD, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

GOT A COUPLE MORE, THEY GOT MORE HOTEL ROOMS. AH, OKAY.

THEY GOT, UM, STAFF INCLUDED A VERTI PORT IN THIS, SO IT, IT DID GO THROUGH A DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WE'RE GONNA TREAT IT AS A NEW APPLICATION.

YOU KNOW WHAT, IT GOT AN EXTRA FLOOR ADDED TO IT.

I THINK MAYBE, I THINK IT DID GET A MAXIMUM EXTRA FLOOR.

I'M LOOKING AT THE RENDERING FROM SIX YEARS AGO AND IT WAS ABOVE THE DARKER, THE DARKER BASE.

UM, THERE WERE FIVE FLOORS.

THERE WERE FIVE FLOORS SIX YEARS AGO.

NO, FOUR, FOUR FLOORS.

FOUR FLOOR.

AND THERE ARE FIVE FLOORS ON THIS ONE.

SO, UM, AND WE'LL LOOK AT LANDSCAPING TOO.

AND EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS.

HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT THE SIGNAGE? SIGNAGE WE CAN LOOK AT? WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO, BUT UM, IT'S NOT IN THE AREA OF REQUIREMENT, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT IT.

AND THEN I NOTICED THEY DID SOME CALCULATIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF GLASS OR GLAZING.

UM, THAT IS, UM, PART OF THE NORTH POINT ECO DISTRICT AND IT'S COMPLIANT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRETT ON AC WINDS, NORTH WINDS HOTEL.

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THERE BEING NONE.

LET'S ADJOURN THE WORKSHOPS SESSION.

WE'LL GET OUR COFFEE CUPS FILLED.

AND LET'S, UH, LET'S GET BACK HERE IN 10 MINUTES TO START THE PUBLIC HEARING PLEASE.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA DESIGN AND REVIEW BOARD.

[3. CALL TO ORDER]

TODAY IS FRIDAY, APRIL 17TH, 2026.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING.

UM, JUST A GENTLE REMINDER, IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES ARE EITHER OFF OR IN THE SILENT, SILENT MODE POSITION.

OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS CALLED ORDER AND THEN ROLL CALL.

LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY'S HERE EXCEPT FOR, UH, MR. CORCO.

UM, BUT WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO SIX OF US HERE SO WE CAN, UH, PROCEED WITH OUR PUBLIC HEARING.

ITEMS FROM STAFF THIS MORNING? ANYTHING FROM STAFF? I'M LOOKING AT ELLIE, JOEL THIS MORNING.

IF WE'LL STAND FACE THE FLAG, WE'LL HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVIS WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, ANY

[6. ITEMS FROM STAFF]

WELL, UH, BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING WE WILL BE, I SHOULD BE TASTE OF ALPHARETTA.

SO, UM, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT THURSDAY, MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, VACATION DAY FOR YOU IF YOU WORK ANYWHERE AROUND DOWNTOWN.

UM, I NINTH POTENTIALLY OR IS IT THE 14TH? 14TH.

SO IT IS THE DAY BEFORE.

LITERALLY THE DAY BEFORE OUR MEETING.

THEN WE'LL MEET ON THE 15TH.

AND ARE THERE ANY ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS THIS MORNING? UM, I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, UM, AS I'M NOT GONNA LOOK AT THEM 'CAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW, BUT AS SOME OF Y'ALL MAY KNOW, TODAY IS MY LAST MEETING.

UM, I THINK THAT'S, I I THINK IT IS SOMETHING I'M NOT POSITIVE.

IT'S, OUR STAFF IS OUT OF IT NOW, SO NOT EVEN FAMILIAR.

UM, I THINK THAT'S REALLY ALL.

ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

[7. ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS]

UM, I HAD TO RESIGN BECAUSE WE ARE MOVING OUT OF THE CITY LIMITS TO OUR DREAM HOME THAT WE BUILT ON TWO ACRES, UM, IN A DIFFERENT COUNTY, IN A DIFFERENT CITY.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BACK IN 2012, UM, WHEN MAYOR BE AL WAS SWORN IN AS MAYOR IN THE OLD CITY HALL, UM, AND THAT SAME MEETING HE APPOINTED ME ON DRB.

AND THEN I TOOK A LITTLE YEAR HIATUS SABBATICAL, A LITTLE SABBATICAL, UM, AND THEN WAS REAPPOINTED BY COUNCILMAN BINDER AND THEN AGAIN BY COUNCILMAN BRADY.

SO I'D LIKE TO THANK THE THREE OF THEM FOR HAVING THE TRUST IN ME TO SIT ON THIS AWESOME BOARD THAT I THINK IS THE BEST BOARD THE CITY HAS MOST FUN FOR SURE.

UM, AND THE STAFF, Y'ALL ARE WONDERFUL AND APPRECIATE IT.

I WILL TRULY MISS IT.

THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS I WILL MISS ABOUT LIVING IN THE CITY.

WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR 25 YEARS, UM, AND WE, WE WON'T BE FAR, WE'RE JUST GONNA BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MILTON AND CHEROKEE COUNTY.

SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK Y'ALL FOR LETTING ME BE YOUR COLOR PERSON.

I WILL STILL, UM, BE AN UNOFFICIAL SHERIFF IF YOU WANT.

GOOD, GOOD.

SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO IS BEING APPOINTED, BUT I THINK THEY'RE WORKING ON IT, SO JUST THANKS.

WELL, AND I WILL MISS Y'ALL.

CONGRATS ON, YOU'LL BE MISSED.

I SAW WHERE YOU STARTED IN JANUARY OF 2012, SO, UM, HARD TO BELIEVE IT'S BEEN 14 YEARS, GIVE OR TAKE.

TOTAL 14 YEARS.

YOU CONGRATULATIONS ON THE YEAH.

LOTS OF MEMORIES.

SO HOW MANY YEARS TOTAL? 14.

TOTAL.

TAKE THE ONE OR THE ONE OR YEAR S WELL, THIS, THIS IS FOR, I DIDN'T KNOW FOR SURE 'CAUSE I WASN'T I, BUT UM, SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR YOU, LIKE EITHER HAVE YOU BACK AT ANOTHER MEETING AND, OR WELL, I THOUGHT THAT COUNT WAS GONNA START OH YEAH.

ENDING THEN AT, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

FIREWORKS ONCE IT TURNS DARK.

WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA MISS, WE DO HAVE A BIG PARTY ON MAY 14TH THAT YEAH.

SHE LOVES THAT ONE.

YEAH KNOW, I THINK WE ARE, WE'RE CLOSING THE NEXT DAY ON OUR HOUSE, SO I THINK I NEED TO JUST STAY IN AND GET, GET RESTED UP FOR IT.

I, I THINK I'LL HAVE TO MISS THAT LITTLE PARTY.

SO WE WILL, WE'LL REACH OUT TO GET YOU BACK.

UM, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK FOR A MEETING.

I'M GONNA SIT OUT THERE AND, AND DO COMMENTS, COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT, HOW MUCH COMMENTS THAT'S GONNA BE ME.

YOU CAN, HEY, CAN WE FORWARD TO THAT AND COMMENT ON EVERY SINGLE CASE? I'M GONNA COMMENT AND COMMENT ON EVERYTHING.

I LOVE IT.

WELL HOLLY, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

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SO I WAS JUST TALKING, I WAS TALKING TO MY HUSBAND THOUGH.

I REMEMBER TAKING MY SON AS A TODDLER OUT TO SEE ALL THE BIG CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AT WHAT WAS THEN CALLED PROSPECT PARK.

AND THEN I GET ON AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING MULTIPLE MEETINGS A MONTH FOR THIS BEAST CALLED AVALON.

AND I'M SURE Y'ALL WILL BE DOING THAT SOON.

HOPEFULLY KNOCK ON WOOD WITH NORTH POINT AND QUITE SAD THAT I'LL BE MISSING THAT, BUT THAT'S WHEN I WILL BE COMING OR NORTH POINT.

WELL THANK YOU.

I THINK, UM, YOU'VE BECOME A, UM, A VALUABLE BOARD MEMBER.

YOU HAVE BEEN A GOOD FRIEND.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

GLAD YOU FOUND YOUR DREAM HOME AND, AND, UH, WISH YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND AND YOUR FAMILY THE BEST OF LUCK.

SO THANK THANK YOU.

OKAY, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? ANY BIRTHDAYS, ANNIVERSARIES? I KNOW I THINK WACKY WORLD, THE GRAND OPENING OF RIBBON CUTTING IS GONNA BE HAPPENING VERY, VERY SOON.

SO THAT SHOULD LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT AS WELL.

SO, UM, OKAY.

WITH THAT LET'S GET ON TO, UH, NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO, UM, REVIEW AND APPROVE THE OUR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES OF MARCH 20TH, 2026.

SO I ASSUME EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE MINUTES AND CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE SUCH? PLEASE? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE DRB MEETING MINUTES ON MARCH 20TH, 2026.

END OF MOTION.

I SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. PALMER, A SECOND BY MR. OWENS.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE? BE NONE.

I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA'S DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES OF MARCH 20TH, 2026.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

1, 2, 3, 4 OR FIVE.

SIX.

ALL OPPOSED NO OPPOSITION MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

OUR FIRST APPLICATION THIS MORNING, OUR FIRST APPLICANT LET ME READ THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURE.

SORRY.

REALLY? THAT'S OKAY.

AN INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING TO BE HEARD ON A MATTER RELATED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING MUST BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD.

UPON RISING TO SPEAK, THE SPEAKER MUST IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR HERSELF AND FURNISH A HOME OR BUSINESS ADDRESS BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS.

THE BOARD WILL ALLOW THE PROPONENTS A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION.

OPPONENTS WILL BE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

COMMENTS ARE ACCEPTED FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY PERSONS SPEAKING IN FAVOR THEN FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION UPON CONCLUSION OF ANY OPPOSING COMMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS, THE CHAIR CAN ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO OFFER REBUTTAL IF ANY TIME IS REMAINING IN THE ORIGINAL LOTTED 10 MINUTES.

AND THE CHAIR HAS A DISCRETION TO ADD MINUTES IF HE WOULD LIKE.

FIRST APPLICANT IS, UM, 58 CANTON STREET.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT OLLIE, HOLLY, I APPRECIATE.

[2. DRB260004 SAJ 58 Canton Street
review exterior changes]

ARE YOU HERE? COME ON DOWN.

COME ON UP PLEASE.

UM, IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE PACKAGE THIS MORNING, PLEASE.

AND, UM, GOOD MORNING.

THIS, UH, HUNTER GREEN UMBRELLA FABRIC.

I'M MADELINE MATAR, MY HUSBAND AND I OWN SAGE RESTAURANT.

IT'S GONNA BE OPENING AT 58 CANTON STREET.

UH, IT'S REALLY NICE TO MEET THE PEOPLE THAT KEEP ALPHARETTA REALLY BEAUTIFUL.

UH, SO, UH, AS BRETT WAS SAYING EARLIER, THIS IS THE SITE OF, UH, THE OLD VAS CAINA.

SO THIS IS THE SIDE ENTRANCE, UH, ON CANTON STREET.

THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE.

THANK YOU .

UM, MIGHT HAVE LIKE, UH OH, THERE YOU GO.

SO THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE.

WE WANNA CHANGE THE AWNING TO

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AND WE WANNA PUT THE LOGO ON THE AWNING.

UH, IT'S GONNA BE IN AN ANTIQUE GOLD, UH, LIKE THIS CHIP HERE.

WE WANNA DO THE SAME THING ON THE CANTON STREET SIDE.

DO YOU, I'M SORRY? DO YOU HAVE A SAMPLE OF THE AWNING COLOR WITH YOU? I DO.

DON'T YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND PASS THOSE TWO COLORS AROUND IF YOU WILL PLEASE.

WE START WITH MR. OWENS.

WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT WHILE YOU'RE TALKING.

SO THIS WILL BE THE SIDE AWNING.

UH, WE'LL PUT THE SAME LOGO, MASSAGE THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT IN THE ANTIQUE GOLD ON THE HUNTER GREEN AWNING.

WE'RE KEEPING THE CURRENT FRAME, WE'RE JUST HAVING FABRIC CHANGED.

SO THIS IS WHAT THE FIRST PHASE WILL LOOK LIKE.

JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME SO THAT WE CAN OPEN, WE'RE GONNA, UH, KEEP THE CURRENT PAINT COLOR, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO ALSO PAINT A HUNTER GREEN, UH, BENJAMIN MOORE.

HUNTER GREEN ON THE DOORS AND WINDOWS.

HAVE THAT.

AND REMIND ME THESE AWNINGS DO HAVE ENDS ON THEM, RIGHT? FABRIC ON THE ENDS? THEY DO.

THEY DO.

LOOKS LIKE IT FROM THE PICTURE.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

SO JUST, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, UM, THE HUNTER GREEN, WHAT AR DO YOU HAVE? DOES YOUR POINTER WORK OR ANYTHING WORK ON YOUR LAPTOP THERE? WHY DON'T YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH THE AREAS THAT YOU'RE PAINTING THE HUNTER GREEN PLEASE.

SO THE DOOR AND WINDOW FRAMES HERE ON THE MAIN ENTRANCE.

THE DOOR AND WINDOW FRAMES HERE.

THE MIDDLE PART OF THE RESTAURANT, THIS WINDOW AND THE DOOR AND WINDOW FRAMES HERE ON THE SIDE ENTRANCE.

NOTHING ON THE KIND OF WHAT I WOULD CALL THE LEFT HAND SIDE WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING COVERED KIND OF OUTDOOR PATIO AREA.

ANYTHING BEING THERE ARE WINDOWS THERE, UM, DOES THAT NEED TO BE APPROVED TO BE PAINTED UNDERNEATH THE PATIO WHERE IT'S COVERED? IF, IF THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, TO BE CONSISTENT, I WOULD THINK IF THAT'S PART OF YOUR RESTAURANT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT, BUT MM-HMM .

I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL WE, WE WANNA KEEP IT AS COHESIVE AS POSSIBLE, SO.

SO YOU'RE PLANNING ON PAINTING IT? WE'RE PLANNING ON PAINTING IT, YEAH.

I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE, THE RENDERS WITH THE CURRENT BEIGE PAINT AND THE GREEN AWNING.

UH, JUST BECAUSE THE AWNING IS GONNA COME UP FIRST SO THAT WE CAN OPEN AND THEN WE'LL PAINT LATER.

UM, I DID NOTICE ABOVE, ABOVE THE AWNING, ABOVE THE FRONT DOORS THERE, UM, THE, THERE LOOKS TO BE SOME PANELS OR SOMETHING.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN A SIGN THERE AT ONE POINT.

THERE WAS A BACKLIT SIGN.

WE, WE DON'T PLAN TO REPLACE IT.

WE WANNA KEEP MORE OF A, LIKE A SUBTLE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK.

BUT DO YOU PLAN TO REPAIR THAT AREA? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS SOME THINGS THAT KINDA LEFT OVER AND PERHAPS WE CAN GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, THE VAST CASINO.

UM, MAYBE IT WILL SHOW IT, LET'S SEE.

IT'S, IT'S NOT SHOWING I PICTURE.

OH, HERE.

UM, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THEY HAD A, WHERE WAS THE SIGN? WAS IT BEHIND THE AWNING? IT WAS ABOVE, ABOVE THE, ABOVE THE AWN.

HERE, HERE'S A PICTURE I TOOK.

IS THAT A, IS THAT A, THAT LOOKS PRECAST.

ISN'T THAT PRECAST? WOULD THAT BE A ABOVE A LOFT THING OR WOULD THAT BE A TENANT THING? BECAUSE I DO KNOW THE LOFT IS, UM, THEY'RE PRESSURE WASHING THE WHOLE OUTSIDE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE PLANS TO PAINT IT OR, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE, WELL IT, I MEAN TECHNICALLY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF, SHOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE LEAVING TENANTS, UM, RESPONSIBILITY.

RESPONSIBILITY WITH THEIR, THEIR CAM COSTS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE PAID AHEAD.

THAT'S THE LAST MONTH'S KIND OF THING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE TO, TO DO THAT.

CLEARLY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW.

IT LOOKS LIKE, LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE TRIED TO PATCH THE HOLES BUT DIDN'T, IT DOESN'T MATCH THE YEAH.

SO IF THAT'S PRECAST IT'S GONNA BE REALLY DIFFICULT.

I THINK IT IS REPAIR TO, TO MATCH IT UP.

I I THINK IT'S PRECAST SO IT IS, IT'S GONNA BE QUITE DIFFICULT WITHOUT, WITHOUT DOING SOMETHING TO ALL OF THAT RIGHT THERE.

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AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO.

AND THEN IT WON'T MATCH THE SURROUNDING.

LIKE I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR DOWN IF THEY ARE PAINTING THE LOFTS.

'CAUSE I'M ASSUMING SINCE THEY'RE PRESSURE WASHING, THEY ARE GOING, THEY HAVE TENSIONS OF PAINTING, BUT I DON'T KNOW, UM, LIKE WE HAD TO BRING ALL THE FURNITURE INSIDE.

'CAUSE THEY'RE PRESSURE WASHING THE WHOLE, THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THE, DONE THE INTERIOR.

THEY'RE DOING THE, OR THE VISIBLE FROM EXTERIOR.

LIKE DOES IT GO THE WAY DOWN? OH YEAH, BECAUSE THOSE WINDOWS RIGHT ABOVE IT ARE ONE OF THE RESIDENCE.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE THAT'S A DISCUSSION WITH THE HOA LOFT.

HOA.

YEAH, I THINK.

UM, OKAY.

BUT YEAH, THAT DOES NEED SOMETHING.

THAT'S A TOUGH ONE.

SINCE THEY'RE NOT GOING RIGHT BACK THERE.

UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE THAT WE DON'T INCLUDE IT IN MOTION AS A CONDITION, BUT WELL, CAN THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO, BUT THE APPLICANT GET ME WITH THE LANDLORD AND OKAY.

WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN BE DONE.

IT'S A VERY SPECIALIZED, UH, SUBCONTRACTOR, BUT YOU COULD GET SOMEBODY ALMOST LIKE AN ARTIST ALMOST, I MEAN YEAH.

TO DO CON UH, PRECAST PATCHING.

BUT IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY MORE OF AN ART THAN IT IS TRADE.

IT'S NOT JUST SOMEBODY THROW WITH A COP GUN AND SMOOTH IT OUT.

SO YEAH, THEY, THEY NEED TO, THEY ALLOWED IT TO GO THERE, SO THEY'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE IT GOES BACK.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT THIS MORNING ABOUT THIS APPLICATION? ANYTHING? UH, THERE BEING NONE.

I'LL ASK FOR, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT.

NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING DRB 2 6 0 0 0 4, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, AWNING AND PAINT AS PRESENTED.

A SECOND BY MS. PALMER.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE BEING NO CALL FOR A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

MOTION.

SIX ZERO.

SO WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE OPENING AN OP? AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

WE'RE READY.

WHAT'S THE, UH, WHAT'S THE CUISINE? UH, MEDITERRANEAN.

MEDITERRANEAN.

OUR NEXT APPLICANT FOR A MINUTE TO COLLECT EVERYTHING.

AND DID SHE GET HER SAMPLES BACK? BRETT, DO YOU NEED TO KEEP THE SAMPLES FOR OUR NEXT APPLICANT? IS

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DO SAY SPOON.

YOU'RE, HE ARE YOU HERE? COME ON DOWN.

OR COME ON UP PLEASE.

MAKE SURE YOU, UM, SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE THIS MORNING.

INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET THIS MORNING, PLEASE.

ALRIGHT SIR, MY NAME IS TAHA.

I'M COMING FROM THE EMTA SCIENCE.

I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME.

MY NAME IS TAHA.

I'M COMING FROM EMTA SCIENCE.

SO WE'RE GONNA DO LIKE SMALL SIGN FOR THE ICE CREAM.

UH, SO BASICALLY IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE SAME SIGN, THE OLD ONE.

WE'RE JUST GONNA CHANGE IT LIKE A DIFFERENT DESIGN, BUT SAME PRODUCT.

IF YOU GUYS WANT, I CAN PASS YOU OUT THE PRODUCT.

YOU GUYS CAN CHECK IN.

SO THIS IS GONNA BE HDU MATERIAL.

IT'S GONNA BE LIKE INSIDE OF THIS, LIKE A FOAM, UH, OUTSIDE, LIKE A PLASTIC.

IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THAT.

JUST A DIFFERENT COLOR.

LIKE IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE PINK AND DARK BROWN.

AND SO, YEAH.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY VISUAL IMAGES WITH YOU THIS WAY? OH YEAH, SURE.

I HAVE, LET ME PASS THAT.

THIS.

JUST SO COMPUTER'S DOING RESTART, KIND OF SEE WHAT, UM, EXACTLY WHERE THIS IS GOING AND HOW IT'S GOING.

WHY DON'T YOU PASS THAT AROUND.

SORRY.

TAKE YOUR WHOLE BAG.

UM, SO DOES THERE, UM, CAN SOMEBODY PULL UP THE, WHAT'S IN THE APPLICATION I'M LOOKING AT JOEL OR YEAH, JOEL, CAN YOU GET IT? MY,

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IT'S GONNA BE CIRCLE AND IT'S, I'LL BE TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WELCOME TO OUR SHOP, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S ALREADY HAVE A SIGN LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT LIKE ANY DIFFERENCES, JUST, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE DIFFERENT DESIGN.

SO, AND DIFFERENT COLOR.

IT, IT HAS LIKE THIS, DO, DO YOU HAVE, UH, ACTUAL, UH, COLOR SAMPLES FOR THE SIGN? SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ORDERED WITH THE, UH, COLOR, COLOR COLOR CODE AND, AND THE PAPER COLOR CODE.

AND, UH, WITH THE COLOR IT'S GONNA BE LIGHT PINK AND LIKE A DARK RED, DARK COLOR.

SO, BUT YOU DON'T, YOU DIDN'T BRING THE ACTUAL SAMPLES, LIKE THE EMAIL SET? I DON'T, I RIGHT NOW.

IS IT JUST, IT IS PAINTED ON THERE? IS THAT YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY, BASICALLY IT'S A H TWO U.

WE'RE GONNA CUT WITH THE, UH, MACHINE.

WE'RE GONNA ANCHOR IT.

AND AFTER THAT WE'RE GONNA PAINT WITH THE H TWO, LIKE A LIQUID AND WE'RE GONNA PAINT, YOU KNOW, PINK AND DARK BROWN.

SO, SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN EXISTING, UM, I'LL SAY SIGN FRAME'S, LIKE THERE'S TWO POSTS AND SOME SORT OF A, SO YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY BASICALLY THE BACKGROUND.

IT'S LIKE A BLACK ROUTE AND WE'RE GONNA CONNECT WITH THE H TWO CONNECTION.

WE'RE GONNA PUT IT LIKE A, WITH LIKE A SCREW OR SOMETHING.

LET'S, LET'S UH, GET AN IMAGE UP HERE AND THEN WE CAN OKAY.

I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT BETTER OR HAVE SOME HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE DEBUT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT MM-HMM .

UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S TWO EXISTING POSTS LEFT AND RIGHT MM-HMM .

AND THEN THERE'S A, IT LOOKS LIKE A BLACK METAL PANEL OF SOME SORT.

AND SO YOU'RE PROPOSING THEN TO LEAVE ALL THAT UHHUH AS IS AND THEN TAKE THE, TAKE THE, THE ROUND SIGN AND JUST MOUNT IT TO THAT BLACK? YEAH.

SO ACTUALLY THE THE SAMPLE ONE? YES.

THIS IS THE OLD ONE.

IT WAS THERE, IT WAS LIKE THIS.

SO I JUST TAKE IT OFF THIS OVER THERE AND I'M GONNA PUT IT THE SAME SPACE, LIKE SAME TO THE NEW ONE.

OH.

SO I JUST, I'M GONNA CONNECTION WITH THE H TWO.

THAT'S PART OF THE OLD ONE CONNECTION.

THAT WAS THE OLD ONE.

IS THIS, THIS IS WHERE FOUR FAT COWS WAS ORIGINALLY.

IT'S ORIGINAL.

IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT STREET VIEW, IT'S NOT A SOLID, UNLESS THEY CHANGED IT SINCE SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR THERE WAS ANOTHER PLACE THERE CALLED THE TIP SPOON.

AND THIS IS, OKAY, THEY WERE THERE FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.

SO IT'S, I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO SAY WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS NOT VERY CREATIVE.

SO THE THINGS I'M IGN I'M DOING WHATEVER CUSTOMER WANTS, YOU KNOW, IF I'M THINK, WHAT DO YOU WANT? AND SHE SAY, I WANT LIKE A SIMPLE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEY DON'T WANT A LIKE CONFUSING DESIGN AND I'M DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THIS IS NOT MY DESIGN.

THIS IS CUSTOMERS, WHATEVER THEY WANT.

AND I'M DESIGNING FOR THEM.

AND SO YEAH.

IT IS WHAT IT'S, SORRY.

I THINK THE, UM, THE ACTUAL CIRCULAR SIGN ITSELF IS LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.

I, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BE ABLE TO SEE MM-HMM .

THE PINK BACKGROUND.

'CAUSE IT LOOKS KIND OF BEIGE HERE, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT ONE THING TO CONSIDER IS THE BACKGROUND, THE EXISTING BACKGROUND.

UM, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED DURING THE WORKSHOP.

IT LOOKS KIND OF JUST LIKE, THIS IS JUST LIKE SLAPPED ON SOMETHING, UH, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE ON ALMOST A TEMPORARY SIGN.

I, I AGREE.

IT LOOKS LIKE, I MEAN THE, THE CIRCLE IS BIGGER THAN THE, THE BACKGROUND.

UM, IT, IT JUST LIKE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A TEMPORARY SIGN.

THE THINGS, SO, AND SO I THINK WE CAN, I, I THINK THERE'S A, A BETTER WAY TO BE MORE CREATIVE ABOUT THE OVERALL LOOK OF THIS SIGN.

SO THIS IS POTENTIALLY, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF A FIX.

I THINK IT GETS SOME TRIM WORK ABOVE SORT OF HIGHLIGHTS THE CIRCLE, UM, FOR SEEING THIS AND NOW SEEING WHAT HE'S DOING.

THAT'S HOW HE'S ACHIEVING THE THREE INCHES IS IT'S THAT

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THICK.

I'M WONDERING IF INSTEAD OF A 48 INCH, HE JUST DOES A 35, 36 OR SOMETHING BIGGER.

OH, BIGGER TO GO.

SO THAT IT DOES GO ABOVE THE, I THINK THE PROCESS SQUARE BLACK BACKGROUND.

I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM IS, IS AS YOU GET BIGGER, IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO OUTREACH BEYOND OR CLOSE TO THE SIDES.

AND COVER THE, SO THEN I, I'M, I'M AFRAID THAT MAKING TRIM WORK LIKE THIS WON'T NECESSARILY TURN OUT LIKE A HAND SKETCH.

SO WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, CAN WE DO THE SAME THING, BUT BY REDUCING THE HEIGHT OF THE BACKGROUND AND LETTING THE CIRCLE ITSELF JUST STICK ABOVE AND BELOW INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF A 48 INCH CIRCLE BEING ON A 48 INCH BACKGROUND, WE PUT A 48 INCH CIRCLE ON A 36 INCH BACKGROUND.

WELL, THE, THE, UH, YOU FOLLOWING ME? YEAH.

THE SOUTHERN PORCH.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOES HAVE THE TOP WHERE IT DOES THAT.

SO IT KIND OF FLOW, I THINK WITH THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I THINK THAT WOULD LOOK ODD THOUGH.

I MEAN, WELL THE PART THAT WOULD TO ME WOULD LOOK ODD.

IS IT COMING TO THE BOTTOM? NOT NECESSARILY.

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF YOU WANT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO MIMIC KIND OF WHAT, UM, SOUTHERN PORCH HAS.

I THINK ANOTHER OPTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, WITH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR IS GETTING RID OF THE BACKGROUND, THE BLACK PART OF THE BACKGROUND ALTOGETHER.

AND JUST GO WITH TWO HORIZONTAL, LIKE RODS OR SOMETHING.

RODS OR C CHANNEL ANGLE BRACKET, SOMETHING SMALL THAT'S GONNA GIVE IT THE STRUCTURAL SUPPORT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY STAND OUT, JUST JUST SORT OF BE THERE TO HOLD IT SO THAT THE CIRCLE LOOKS LIKE IT'S FLOATING.

WE WERE THINKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF RODS COMING OUT OF THE POST INTO THE SIDE OF THE SIGN.

MM-HMM.

SO THEN THE SIGN WOULD BE SUSPENDED BETWEEN THE POSTS.

SO BASICALLY WHEN WE ARE DOING THE, WE, WE THINK WE ARE THINKING ABOUT DOING LIKE A SIM.

SIMPLE THINGS LIKE LOOKS CLEAN.

SO YEAH.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE JUST GONNA LIKE, DO TWO COLOR AND WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT THE H TWO CONNECTION.

IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE STICKY AND IT'S NOT GONNA SHOW ANYTHING OUTSIDE LIKE A SCREW OR SOMETHING.

IT LOOKS LIKE A, A STICKY LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT DOESN'T SHOW RIGHT.

THE RODS WOULD STICK INTO THE YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

IT'S A PROFESSIONAL ISSUE.

CONNECTION.

SO THERE'D BE SO THAT BASICALLY YOU JUST HAVE THE POSTS AND A SIGN AND THEN HOLDING IT BE HOLDING THE SIGN BETWEEN OH YES.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE A BLADE SIGN.

I THINK THAT MIGHT, THAT'S KIND OF MORE LIKE A, LIKE A BLADE SIGN BETWEEN TWO POSTS.

I THINK IT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE GOOFY THOUGH.

UNLESS THEY, THEY RAISE IT UP.

UM, IF YOU'RE JUST PUTTING ROD IN, 'CAUSE THOSE ARE REALLY THIN COLUMNS.

IF YOU PUT THE RODS, IT'S GONNA EMPHASIZE THE, THE, THE TINY COLUMNS.

UM, I KIND OF LIKED WHAT WHAT BRETT SUGGESTED WHERE YOU JUST, INSTEAD OF HAVING THIS SORT OF INSIDE SORT OF OUTSIDE PLYWOOD BACKING, MAYBE IF YOU LIKE, REDUCED IT TO MAYBE HALF OF THE HEIGHT AND JUST PUT IT BEHIND THE SIGN.

IT WOULD KIND OF LIKE TIE IT TOGETHER.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH, SAME THING.

BUT I, I WOULD PROBABLY RAISE IT IF IT'S PERMISSIBLE TO RAISE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

JUST DOING, I'M JUST DOODLING UP HERE.

GOOD SKETCH.

DON'T HAVE MY SKETCH BASE.

SO, SO A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT NOT, NOT A ROD, BUT, BUT NOT FULL HEIGHT.

I WOULD DO LIKE A 30 OR SO INCH, LIKE 30 INCHES.

THAT'S GONNA GIVE IT 48.

THAT WOULD, THAT'D BE EIGHT TO BE NINE INCHES ABOVE.

NINE INCHES BELOW.

AND I'D RAISE IT UP A LITTLE BIT TOO, SO THAT IT'S NOT LIKE BELOW THESE GIANT NARROW POLES MORE VISIBLE TOO.

SO RAISE THE WHOLE, RAISE THE CENTER PART ON THE POSTS.

SO THE, THE TOP OF THE, THE TOP OF THE UH, CIRCLE, THE POST KIND OF HITS THE SAME POINT AS THE, UH, THE POSTS, THE CAPS OR WHATEVER BECAUSE I THINK THE SIGN ITSELF DID SOMETHING KIND OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU SEE THAT, I MEAN, YOU'RE HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UM, DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD AGREE TO OR WOULD YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THEM? SO, SO YOU WANT ME TO DO LIKE THAT? YES.

WELL WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S CREATIVE.

AND, AND RATHER THAN JUST, THIS LOOKS LIKE A VERY PLAIN SIGN THAT IT'S KIND OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO CIRCLE MM-HMM .

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THINK THAT ALL FITS.

THE COLORS LOOK GOOD.

IT'S JUST TRYING TO BE, MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE, GIVE IT SOME CREATIVITY.

THE THINGS, YEAH.

WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH MY CUSTOMER, SO I WAS TAKING THE BACKGROUND OR SOMETHING.

THE, THE BACKGROUND, IT'S LOOKS GOOD AND STRONG.

THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T CHANGE.

AND THE BLACK AND THE LIGHT PING IS MATCHING SO GOOD.

AND THIS SIGNS THE ONLY SIGN IT'LL BE THERE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY CHANNEL LEATHER ON THERE.

THAT'S WHY WE DID LITTLE BIGGER TO SEEN ON THE ROAD TO CAR DRIVER OR SOMETHING.

THAT'S WHY IT'S A BIG AND IT'S MATCHING VERY GOOD.

BLACK, BLACK AND LIKE LIGHT PINK WITH, WITH INSIDE THE DARK PRO.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S TOO BIG AND THE BACKGROUND WITHIN THE BLACK.

OTHERWISE WE CAN DO WHITE OR SOMETHING TOO.

BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WE, THE CUSTOMER WANTS TO, WE JUST NEED TO GET TO A MOTION.

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT.

I THERE, THE THE LANGUAGE BARRIER IS, IS TOUGH.

SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO JUST MEET 'EM ON SITE WITH WHAT YOU GUYS, I CAN TRY WANT AND APPROVE AND, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

AND IF THE, IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T AGREE WHEN WE GET ON SITE, THEN, THEN THEY'LL COME BACK.

ONE, ONE THING I THINK ERIC, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MENTIONED IT, BUT IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED, SOME KIND OF BORDER ON THE SIDE FRAME THAT WELL A SURROUND, SOMEBODY MENTIONED IT, SO IT'S, THERE'S JUST MAYBE THE SAME COLOR AS THE, THAT'S GOT ONE THERE.

I LIKE THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO DO THIS, THIS IN COLOR THAN THE BACKGROUND.

THE SAME COLOR AS THE LETTERS.

I YEAH.

THINK OR YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THE BACKGROUND THE SAME COLOR AS THE LETTERS.

A BORDER, A BORDER, A RIM.

OH, A TRIM.

A RIM OR A TRIM OR WHATEVER YOU WANT CALL LIKE YOU HAVE ON THE SURROUND.

KINDA LIKE THEY HAVE ON THE SAMPLE.

ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF BY ITSELF.

ALRIGHT, BEFORE YOU START ANYTHING, LEMME JUST ASK, UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO SAY.

OH.

UM, NOPE.

AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE CO THE, THE POSTS, UM, IN THE PICTURE.

I ALMOST LOOK LIKE THEY WERE BLACK ONCE, BUT NOW ARE GRAY.

UM, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THOUGHTS OF PAINTING THEM WHITE BECAUSE THE HOUSE HAS WHITE COLUMNS.

UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD LOOK BETTER IF THEY WERE WHITE INSTEAD OF BLACK OR WHATEVER COLOR THEY ARE.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS.

YEAH, WE ACTUALLY HAD TALKED WITH BRAD, UM, I'M GONNA SAY THIS, FORGOT ABOUT, IT LOOKS LIKE I WAS OUT THERE EARLIER THIS WEEK.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE POST AND THE THE DARK BACKGROUND ARE LITERALLY THE SAME COLOR.

JUST LIKE A, LIKE A BLACK BLACK YOU MEAN? MM-HMM .

I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPEAT THAT.

I JUST, I JUST WAS WONDERING WHAT Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

THEY WERE WHITE TO TO, TO MATCH THE WHITE COLUMNS ON THE HOUSE THAT HOUSES IT.

WE, WE ACTUALLY HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH BRETT AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON DOES IT LOOK BETTER OR BLACK? DOES IT LOOK BETTER? I KIND OF FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE POSTS 'CAUSE THEY ARE KIND OF SMALL, YOU KNOW, SO YOU DO BLACK WITH THE BLACK BROADS.

WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND MAKE IT GO AWAY IS THAT THE BACKGROUND AND COLUMNS ARE THE SAME DARK BROWN AS THE, THE LETTERING.

AND THEN THE UH, THE TRIM ON THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF THE BACKGROUND IS THE SAME COLOR AS THE BACKGROUND OF THE SIGN, WHICH IS THAT PINK PINKISH COLOR.

COLOR JUST COME OUT.

JUST NO, I WAS GONNA SAY TO CLEAR OUT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THE EXISTING SIGN PANEL.

THAT'S GOOD.

RIGHT? OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE KEEPING A NARROWER ONE.

THAT'S PER YOUR SKETCH.

NO, WELL WE WERE TALKING ABOUT USING RODS INSTEAD OF YEAH, I DON'T THINK THE RODS ARE LOOK GOOD.

IT'S GONNA END, BUT OKAY.

MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO DEFER THIS APPLICATION.

I THINK, I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO DESIGN IT ON THE FLY.

AND WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THE, I MEAN, OWNER IS GONNA ACCEPT.

WELL I'M JUST THINKING, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A PATH FORWARD AND IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK ON THEIR OWN ACCORD THAT WE COULD GET THEM APPROVED.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING DOESN'T REALLY COST DOESN'T ADD A LOT OF, IT'S NOT A COST THING.

IT'S NOT A REALLY A COST THING.

AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, IF WE CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T COME TO, I WOULD JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A MOTION.

SEE HOW, SEE HOW IF IT GETS PASSED OR NOT.

AND THEN YEAH, WE CAN WORK.

WELL WE JUST HAD, WE JUST HAD A DIFFERENT, LIKE ERIC THOUGHT WE WERE DOING ONE THING AND WE, FRANK THOUGHT WE WERE DOING A D YEAH.

WE SHOULD HERE A MOTION.

AND THEN I, YEAH, I THOUGHT MR. KRAMER INITIALLY WAS SAYING A SOLID BACKGROUND, BUT THEN WHEN HE ADDED THAT SECOND LINE IN THERE, I COULD TELL THAT HE WASN'T TALKING ABOUT A SOLID BACKGROUND.

SO SAY, JUST MAKE, DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANNA LOOK AT THIS? THIS IS THE 30 INCH BACKGROUND AND UM, I WILL ADD, WE, WE NEED SOME GROUND COVER AT THE BASE OF THE SIGN TOO.

SO WHATEVER, WHOEVER MAKES A MOTION, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT

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PLACED.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT, FRANK? ALL RIGHT.

SO YOU'RE MAKING THE PANEL SMALLER, BASICALLY THE PAN, THE BACK PANEL SMALLER.

IT'S GOT A LITTLE TRIM AT THE TOP AND BOTTOM.

UM, THE COLORS, UH, THE FINAL CHIPS NEED TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF.

'CAUSE I GO THAT.

YEAH, I THINK THAT BAR.

AND A BAR, YEAH.

ALRIGHT, LET ME CRAFT THAT MOTION.

I MIGHT BE A LITTLE SLOW HERE.

UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING, UH, DRB 26 0 0 0 5, UH, DOCE SPOON.

UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RE UH, TO APPROVE THE MONUMENT SIGN.

UM, THE, UH, APPROVAL WILL BE BASED ON THE SUBMITTAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

UM, THE APPLICANT WILL RAISE THE, UH, DISC SIGNAGE, UH, TO THE TOP OF THE, UH, COLUMNS.

THE TOP OF THE SIGN WILL BE AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMNS.

THE BACKGROUND AS PRESENTED WILL BE REDUCED TO A 30 INCH HEIGHT AND CENTERED ON THE CIRCULAR SIGN.

THE APPLICANT WILL ADD, UH, A TRIM DETAIL AT THE TOP IN THE BOTTOM OF THE BACKGROUND.

UH, THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE GROUND COVER AROUND THE BASE OF THE SIGN AND THE COLORS FOR THE, THE POSTS IN THE BACKGROUND WILL MATCH THE TEXT ON THE CIRCULAR SIGN AND THE, UH, TRIM WILL MATCH THE BACKGROUND OF THE CIRCULAR SIGN AND A MOTION.

CAN YOU REPEAT, UH, EVERYTHING? I'M SORRY.

OH, WE'LL SEE, I, I DON'T, I I DIDN'T, NOPE, I DIDN'T, I CAN'T GET THE MOTION.

WELL, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A SECOND YET, BUT I DIDN'T GET ALL THE MOTION.

IS THAT WELL, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S OKAY.

GONNA BE VALID JUST YET.

? YEAH, I, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

OKAY, NOW WE CAN, NOW WE CAN REPEAT.

WHAT PART DID YOU MISS? FIVE AND SIX.

FIVE AND SIX.

FIVE AND SIX.

AND I WAS A LITTLE, I'M SORRY.

I MEAN, WELL IT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE FIVE AS BEING THE GROUND COVER, THE BASE OF THE SIDE, THE GROUND COVER AND THERE'S LIKE TWO OTHER THINGS.

OH, OKAY.

SO THE COLORS WERE AFTER THAT COLOR THE MATCH? YEAH, THAT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING.

OKAY, SO YOU'RE CHANGING THE BACKGROUND COLOR.

THE BACKGROUND COLOR IN THE COLUMNS WILL BE, UH, PAINTED TO MATCH THE DARKER MAROON COLOR THAT'S IN THE, WHATEVER THE TEXT IS IN THE SIGN.

WE DON'T HAVE SIGN, UH, COLOR CHIPS.

SO, SO THE COLUMNS IN THE BACKGROUND INSTEAD OF BEING BLACK WILL BE THE SAME COLOR AS, SO THE BORDER THAT'S ON THE SIGN, THEN IT'S NOT GONNA SHOW THROUGH THE BACKGROUND PART BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME COLOR.

I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SOMEONE CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT.

AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THE MOTION, THE LAST PIECE IS THAT THE TRIM COLOR WILL MATCH THE WHITEISH PINKISH BACKGROUND COLOR.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COLOR CHIPS ARE, SO I CAN'T USE COLOR SAMPLES.

INITIALLY WHEN HE SAID THAT I WAS LIKE, WAIT.

NO, BUT I WHEN YOU SAY, I THINK THE BASE BASICALLY POSTS AND BASE OF THE SIGN ARE GONNA BE THE DARK.

I THINK THAT MAKES IT IS GONNA MAKE IT MORE ARTISTIC.

YEAH, MORE CREATIVE THAN A BLACK OR THE WHITE, RIGHT? YEAH.

PERCENT.

AND THEN, AND THEN THE WHITE TRIM AT THE, THE, THE TOP OF THE BACKGROUND.

AND AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BACKGROUND JUST GET THAT LIGHTER COLOR RIGHT.

THE BACK BACKGROUND COLOR.

YOU COULD SEE THE TRIM.

UM, ERIC, I KNOW YOU CREATED A SKETCH.

IS THERE A WAY TO QUICKLY EMAIL THAT TO BRETT? YEAH, I GOT IT.

WELL I'M JUST WANTING, THIS IS THE REVISED ONE.

EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS.

EVEN THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS.

OH, SO YOU WANT ME TO SHOW IT? SO CAN YOU YEAH.

IS THAT, SORRY, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE DID.

I DIDN'T SEND YOU THE, THAT WAS THE OLD ONE.

WELL IF YOU CAN, CAN I, CAN I SEND YOU THE, THE, THE REVISED ONE THAT MATCHES THE MOTION? SEND THE ONE THAT YOU MADE THE MOTION ON OR TRY TO MAKE THE MOTION ON IF YOU WILL.

BEAR WITH US HERE A MINUTE.

THIS IS SUPER SLOPPY.

SEE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

THEN ARE WE GONNA ASSUME THAT UH, PAINT COLORS ARE APPROVED BY STAFF? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK I INDICATED THAT.

AND

[01:00:01]

MAKE SURE YOU SIGN THE DRAWING TOO.

NOPE, I'M, I'M NOT SIGNING ANYTHING AND DATE IT.

JUST KIDDING.

THIS IS REALLY MESSY, BUT I THINK IT GETS THE POINT ACROSS.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

DO YOU WANT ME TO TEXT IT OR EMAIL IT TO YOU? EMAIL PLEASE.

I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT DO YOU WANT ME TO WAIT UNTIL WE'RE, ARE WE DONE WITH THIS? ARE WE STILL WORKING ON THAT? WE'RE IN DISCUSSION PERIOD NOW.

WE'RE STILL, YEAH, WE'RE STILL IN.

WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, UM, IN DISCUSSION.

SO FOR THE LANDSCAPING, ARE THEY STILL TEARING UP THAT AREA? I MEAN LIKE IF HE PUTS ANY KIND OF GROUND COVER, WILL IT BE DESTROYED OR, I MEAN, I WON'T MAKE 'EM PUT THAT IN UNTIL WE KNOW THAT WE'RE DOT IS DONE TO YOU.

'CAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT, THEY'RE WORKING RIGHT IN THAT AREA.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.

THEY'RE, YEAH.

IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, ERIC, YOU EMAILED IT TO BRETT? I DID.

IT'S SOMEWHERE IN, DID IT COME THROUGH SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE, THE DA AND THE, THE DESK TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET 15 FEET.

WELL THIS IS THE, IT'S GOING TECHNOLOGY CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.

I'LL TEXT IT TO YOU TOO IN CASE THAT'S SLOW.

ALTHOUGH I THINK WE'RE THE MUSIC CITY IN THE WORLD NOW.

WHATEVER.

IT'S, THERE WE GO.

ALL IGNORE THE LOWER LITTLE WHITE BANDS AT THE BOTTOM THAT I JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO ERASE THAT.

ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE WHAT WE, OKAY, SO YOUR MOTION THAT YOU MADE AND WHAT WAS SECONDED BY FRANK IS BASED ON THIS SKETCH? YES.

THE, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN MATCHES THE TOP OF THE POSTS.

THE, UH, BACKGROUND IS A 30 INCH INSTEAD OF A 48 INCH OR WHATEVER THE TRIM COLOR IS, THE LIGHTER, WE'LL CALL IT THE WHITE COLOR.

AND THEN THE BACKGROUND OF THE SIGN IS THE DOLCE SPOON, DARKER BROWNISH COLOR.

SO NOW WHEN YOU SAY THE TRIM COLOR, IS THAT THE WHITE, THE TWO WHITE AT THE TOP.

THAT REDHEAD, THAT WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING TRIM? YES.

THAT'S WHAT BRETT HAD SUGGESTED.

AND YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T WANT THE, THE TRIM COLOR AT THE BASE AT THE BOTTOM OR YOU NO, I, I, THERE WAS SOME LEFTOVER FROM THE PREVIOUS SKETCH.

UH, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, BRETT, I GUESS BRETT'S TRYING TO GET A FULL SCREEN HERE OR SOMETHING.

THOSE WEREN.

SO WE'RE JUST GONNA GET A LITTLE BIT OF TRIM RIGHT HERE, WHICH WILL MATCH THIS TRIM UP HERE AND POST AND EVERYTHING WILL BE, YEAH.

IS THAT, DOES THIS CONVEY WHAT EVERYBODY'S, UH, THINKING THAT THE MOTION WAS BASED ON? JUST YES.

I'M LOOKING AT BOARD NUMBERS.

THIS IT DOES.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.

BUT YOU, YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE PUTTING A BORDER ON THE SIGN IN THE MOTION, RIGHT? I DID.

IT'S, IT'S IN YOUR PICTURE, BUT DID IT? YEAH, I DID.

DID YOU SAY IT? DID YOU SAY? I SAID TRIM AT THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF THE BACKGROUND.

HE CALLED IT TRIM.

OH, HE ALSO CALLED THAT TRIM.

BECAUSE I THOUGHT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TRIM IT WAS THE WHITE, UH, I THINK I SAID AT THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF THE BACKGROUND.

EVERYBODY CLEAR? MM-HMM ANY, ANY LAST MINUTE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? OKAY, THEN I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

UM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

ALL OPPOSED? NO OPPOSITE.

ALRIGHT, MOTION PASSES.

SIX ZERO.

APPLICANT THIS MORNING IS CHEVRON.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE THIS MORNING.

ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD.

WHAT'S THAT? OKAY, THANKS.

UM, OUR NEXT

[4. DRB260006 Chevron 3955 Old Milton
review exterior modifications]

ARE YOU HERE? YES YOU ARE.

CHEVRON, COME ON DOWN PLEASE.

OKAY, GO GET.

45 CHEVRON.

ALRIGHT, GOOD MORNING.

HOW ARE YOU THIS MORNING? MY NAME'S JOE CAST.

WHOSE MICROPHONE ON? ALRIGHT.

I'M GAS AND WE'RE HERE PRESENTING, UH, REQUEST TO REBRAND CHEVRON STATION AND, OKAY, VERY GOOD.

THERE WAS SOME NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED AND WE ADDRESS OKAY.

[01:05:01]

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

IS MICROPHONE ON SIR? I'M SORRY.

IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON? THERE'S A BUTTON ON THE FAR RIGHT.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT THAT WE CAN LOOK AT ON OUR MONITORS? I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ON THE MONITOR.

EVERYTHING'S ON THAT BOARD RIGHT THERE JUST FROM THE BOARD.

AND SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS I LIKE TO ADDRESS IS THE CANOPY ITSELF.

AND THE KEY POINT THERE IS THAT NOTHING ON THE CANOPY OTHER THAN THE BP LOGO WILL BE HALOED.

SO A SMALL HUE WILL BE BEHIND IT AND NO OTHER LIGHTING ON THE CANOPY AT ALL WOULD BE PRESENT.

ON THE BOARD IS A COLOR SAMPLE OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE ON THE CANOPY, ON THE FASCIA AND IT WILL WRAP AROUND IT.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF PICTURES SHOWING IT FROM ABOVE YOU AND THEN ON THE FRONT VIEW, PULL UP THE APPLICATION IF YOU WANT.

JOEL, WHY DON'T YOU JUST DO THAT? THAT'LL HELP AS UM, THAT'LL HELP ANYBODY VIEWING THIS VERBALLY TOO.

OUR IMAGING REPRESENTATIVE, SHE COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY.

SO GETTING IN FOR HER.

THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET, WHAT YOU SUBMITTED.

IT WAS IN THE PACKET THAT SHE SUBMITTED.

THAT'S OKAY.

SO THIS IS THE SAME THEN IT SHOULD BE IN THERE.

UM, MR. SCH, I GUESS HE LEFT, STEPPED OUT, SUGGESTED WE PUT A LITTLE BOARD TOGETHER.

AT MAMBA.

JOEL, ONCE YOU FLIP, JUST FLIP TO THE CANOPY IF YOU WILL.

SO THIS IS THE GAS CANOPY? THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S CURRENTLY GOT THE, I GUESS THE CHEVRON BLUE.

IT IS FACIA ON IT CURRENT.

CURRENTLY THE FACIA IS ALL BLUE.

I BELIEVE THERE IS LIGHTING TO THE, UH, CHAT LETTERS ON THE CHEVRON AND PROBABLY LED AROUND IT AS WELL.

BUT THE NEW PROPOSAL WILL NOT, UH, ACCORDING TO WHAT THE NEW REGULATIONS WOULD BE, NORMAL LIGHTING ON THE CANOPY ITSELF.

SO THERE'LL BE NO LEDS ON THERE.

THE, UH, THE EXISTING BLUE THAT'S THERE NOW FOR CHEVRON, IS THAT A, UM, IS THAT PART OF THE FASCIA PANEL OR IS IT AN ADD-ON? THAT IS AN ACTUAL, THAT'S PART OF IT'S AN ADD-ON TO THE FASCIA? CORRECT.

SO, OKAY.

SO YOU'RE REMOVING THAT, REMOVING THAT BLUE AND THEN PUTTING THE NEW, UH, THE BP GREEN OR THE BP.

BRAND NEW PANELS WOULD GO RIGHT OVER THAT FASCIA.

AND AGAIN, YOU SAID THE HALO SIGN WILL BE BACK LIT? IT WILL BE BACK LIT.

EXACTLY.

GIVING IT A SMALL HUE TO IT.

UM, ANYTHING ELSE BEING DONE TO THE GAS CANOPY, THE COLUMNS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THAT, IS IT JUST THE, JUST THE IMAGING ON THE UH, UH, FASCIAS THEMSELVES I ASSUME THE GAS PUMPS YOU'LL CHANGE OUT TO BE? THEY WOULD AS WELL.

THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE THE BP, UH, BRAND LOOK TO THEM.

ON THE PANELS OF THE PUMPS THEMSELVES, THE SKIRTS, AND THEN THE, UH, NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE THAT ON THERE.

THERE'S BALANCES THAT GO RIGHT ABOVE.

AND THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE THE BP LOGO ON THERE.

YOU CAN SEE 'EM IN THIS PICTURE ON THE TOP.

TOP RIGHT.

YOU CAN SEE THOSE ON, IN THE PICTURE.

WHY'D YOU DO THAT, JOEL? OH, SO SORRY.

NOW YOU CAN SEE IT LOOKING.

YOU GOT .

NO, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

SO THE COLUMNS AND EVERYTHING WOULD STAY THE SAME.

AND WHILE WE'RE, WHILE WE'RE THERE ARE JOEL, WHILE WE'RE THERE, SORRY.

UM, JUST TALK ABOUT THE MONUMENT SIGN.

THAT'S THE EXISTING MONUMENT SIGN THAT WE CAN SEE.

I HAVE A QUESTION WHILE WE'RE RIGHT THERE, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I JUST STEPPED BACK IN.

BUT ARE WE DOING THE TYPICAL BUBBLE GREEN, LIKE THE CURVED LOOK? OR ARE YOU JUST PAINTING THE FLAT? IT IT, MY UNDERSTANDING ON THE BOARD, IT'S GONNA BE A DECAL ON IT.

SO IT'S GONNA BE A DECAL JUST ON THE BLUES, SINCE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY KIND OF LED, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A DECAL ON THE GREEN.

AND WE PROVIDED A BOARD THERE.

YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT.

'CAUSE YOU, WELL, BECAUSE USUALLY BP DOES THAT SORT OF, HAS A BUBBLES OUT CURVE THAT WE LIGHT IS NOT GONNA DO THIS.

SO THIS, THIS HERE IS A DECAL.

IT'LL BE JUST A DECAL.

IT'LL BE FLAT PANEL TO IT.

AND ON THE MONUMENT SIDE, THE HIGHLIGHTS THERE, WHAT WE'VE CHANGED IS BASICALLY, UH, THERE'LL BE NO DIGITAL NUMBERS TO IT.

IT'LL BE MANUAL NUMBERS AS ACCORDING TO, UH, THE NEW, UH, REQUEST FOR A MONUMENT SIGN.

THERE'LL BE NO LIGHTING TO THIS SIDE SIGN ITSELF.

IT'LL BE EXTERIOR LIGHTING OF THE SIGN.

AND THAT IS SHOWN ON THE BOARD TOO, SHOWING THE OLD CHEVRON ONE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE NOW, AND WHAT THE NEW MONUMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

JOEL, WHY DON'T YOU PULL THAT UP JUST, UM, ON YOUR SCREEN IF YOU WILL.

DO YOU WANT THE MONUMENT SIGN? UH, YES.

[01:10:03]

PERFECT.

SO YOU'RE LEAVING THE BASE OF THE MONUMENT SIGN AS IT IS THE STONE BASE.

IT'LL BE STONE, CORRECT.

AND THEN, UM, THE MONUMENT SIGN WILL NOT HAVE ANY DIGITAL LIGHTING AS IT DOES RIGHT NOW, AND IT'LL BE MANUAL, UH, DIGITS TO IT, WHICH WOULD JUST BE REPLACED MANUALLY.

AND THEN THE LIGHTING WOULD BE THE FLOODLIGHTS THAT YOU SEE THERE ARE ON THE GROUND LEVEL THAT'LL YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT INCREASING THE HEIGHT AT THE MONUMENT? WE ARE, YEAH.

THE HEIGHT IS COMING UP TO, TO 10, 10 FEET.

AND WE'VE INCREASED, I THINK, I BELIEVE THE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE BY THREE SQUARE FEET.

SO WE'D ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE, UM, I KNOW IT'S JUST A, A RENDERING UP THERE, BUT THE STONE IS, THAT MATCHES THE STONE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.

EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE GONNA PROBABLY TAKE IT ALL DOWN, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE THAT MATCHED THAT STONE.

SO THAT'S ABROOK SIDE THING.

THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

AND UM, SORT OF TAKE A LOOK AT THE RED WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE WITH, IT SHOULDN'T, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A BRIGHT RED, IT'S A, IT'S SORT OF A MUTED, IT'S SORT OF A MUTED, LIKE SATIN, BUT NOT BURGUNDY, BUT CLOSER TO BURGUNDY THAN MORE OF A BURGY.

SO A LITTLE BIT DARKER THAN, YEAH.

IT'S NOT A CANDY APPLE.

NOT CANDY APPLE.

IS THAT REFLECTIVE ON THE EXISTING CHEVRON SITE? IT IS, BUT THAT'S PRETTY OLD, SO I DON'T KNOW.

SO IT MAY HAVE LOST SOME.

YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN SITTING OUT IN THE SUN FOR A WHILE.

UM, SO IT'LL DEFINITELY LOOK FRESHER THAN THAT.

BUT I THINK YOU CAN TELL BY LOOKING AT IT THAT IT, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE CHEVRON RED.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE RIGHT THERE.

IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU'RE KEEPING THE RED EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT PART OF THE IT'S A BROOKSIDE.

UH, THE RED IS, YEAH.

THE BROOKSIDE THING IS, IS TO HAVE THAT THE LITTLE RED BAND THING.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

AND THEN IS THERE ANYTHING BEING DONE TO THE, WHERE THE CIRCLE KI GUESS BUILDING IS ANYTHING HAPPENING THERE ON THAT FASCIA OR ON THAT BUILDING? ON A BUILDING? THERE'S NOTHING BEING DONE TO IT ITSELF.

LEAVING IT AS IT IS.

AS IT IS.

THE ONLY OTHER THINGS ON THE PROPERTY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, RETRIP THE LINES AND FRESHENING UP THE PARKING LOTS, YOU KNOW.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT THIS MORNING? WHEN YOU SAY THAT IT'S A BROOKSIDE REQUIREMENT, THE BROOKSIDE REQUIREMENT IS THE RED STRIPE, IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? YES.

SO THE, THE BROOKSIDE REQUIREMENT IS BASICALLY THE STONE BASE AND THEN AN ELEMENT, UM, SURROUNDING THE COPY.

AND THAT'S, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT SHAPES OF BROOKSIDE SIGNS OUT THERE, BUT THEY ALL SORT OF HAVE THAT.

UM, SO BRINGING THAT UP OR WE'LL POTENTIALLY TRY TO MOVE THAT FORWARD IN THE SIDE VILLAGE AS WELL.

UM, THAT RED, THAT RED DOESN'T COMPLE COMPLIMENT THE GREEN? IT DOES NOT.

IT LOOKS KIND OF WEIRD.

SO THE RED IS, IS RED, IT HAS TO BE RED.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A RED, IT'S A GREEN.

THERE'S THREE COLORS.

I KNOW IT'S RED AND GREEN, LIKE A, LIKE A MORE OF A HUNTER TYPE GREEN.

AND I WANT TO THINK THE LAST ONE WAS SANDSTONE, BUT I CAN'T, AND I, I LOOKED, I, I CAN'T FIND IT ELECTRONICALLY 'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY OLD.

SO THEY COULD CHOOSE ANOTHER COLOR OTHER THAN RED? THEY COULD CHOOSE, THEY COULD CHOOSE A RED.

WOULD THEY COULD CHOOSE SOMETHING OTHER THAN RED THOUGH, OR I MEAN, YEAH, THEY COULD, THEY COULD CHOOSE THE DARK GREEN, WHICH MIGHT LOOK BETTER IN THIS CASE.

I WOULD THINK SO, YEAH.

I AGREE.

THE RED IS PRETTY DARK.

IT MATCHES THE CIRCLE K, IT DOES MATCH THE CIRCLE K .

WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO DO? WOULD YOU LIKE TO KEEP THE RED OR WOULD YOU RATHER CHANGE IT? NO, THE A HUNDRED GREEN WOULD BE MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE I WOULD THINK TOO AS WELL.

I WOULD THINK SO TOO.

JUST LOOKS, IT, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST TOO MUCH CONTRAST.

IT KIND OF TAKES YOUR EYE AWAY.

CHRISTMAS TREE .

AND I GUESS LIKE, IT'S NOT JUST ANY SHADES OF RED, I GUESS THEY HAVE PICKED OUT.

LIKE ONE RED, ONE SHADE OF GREEN AND ONE, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD THINK.

WHICH ONE FRESHLY PAINTED IS PROBABLY GONNA STAND OUT EVEN MORE THAN THE CURRENT MUTED COLOR WE SEE.

UM, AND THERE, THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR THE C-STORE LONG TERM OR JUST WITH THIS APPLICATION? OH, THERE'RE THE LONG TERM CLIENTS.

THERE'S, THERE'S STILL IN STORE RUNNING THE OPERATIONS? YES.

AND SO THE CIRCLE K WOULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE AND HAVE A REFRESHED, NOT NECESSARILY RED.

NO, IT, THERE WOULD NOT BE A REFRESH.

YOU MEAN CHANGING ANY SIGNAGE ON THE FRONT OF THE C STORE? ON THE C STORE? NO, NOT AT THIS POINT.

THERE'S NO CHANGE AND NO PLANS TO CHANGE THAT.

JUST SCHEDULE TO CHANGE.

CONTINUE TO BE THAT RED COLOR.

I FOUND IT SHOT IN THE DARK.

WOW.

I FOUND IT GREEN FAUX, NO GREEN FAUX FREE FAUX GRANITE.

GRANITE PAINT.

HMM.

[01:15:01]

IT'S GREEN FAUX GRANITE.

IS THAT WHAT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE AN OLD DRAWING.

RED FAUX GRANITE PAINT, RED FAUX GRANITE PAINT, WHATEVER THAT MEANS.

YOU GOT GREEN AND RED.

SO GREEN AND RED.

AND I THINK THAT'S IT.

OH MY GOD.

THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S MODEL I SAW.

UM, I DON'T KNOW.

GREEN.

THIS ONE IS, WHAT'S THE DATE ON THAT GREEN THERE? A DATE? NO, BUT I UPLOADED THIS IN 2014.

OH WOW.

UM, IT, I WANNA SAY IT PREDATED ME IN 2004.

I THINK IT WAS IN PLACE THEN.

SO WE SAW THIS APPLICATION, I THINK IN 2014.

THEY DID SOMETHING TO THIS CHEVRON? YEAH.

GOD.

YOU HAVE LIKE A MEMORY LIKE THAT.

WELL IT'S EITHER GREEN OR RED.

I, I, I DON'T KNOW.

I I JUST BE EITHER WAY.

WELL, THE GREEN, THE GREEN THE GREENS GONNA, THE GREEN WOULD LOOK BETTER.

I LIKE THE GREEN.

THE GREEN'S GONNA CLASH.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT GREAT.

WELL, RIGHT, BUT WELL, THE DARK PEDALS, BUT THAT TOP GREEN UP THERE.

YEAH, THAT IS PRETTY, PRETTY DARK.

ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT HUNTER.

IT'S NOT QUITE HUNTER.

BUT I MEAN, I WOULD TAKE THAT IT'S, I MEAN IT'S GREEN GRANITE.

HOW, HOW DO I KNOW WHAT GREEN GRANITE LOOKS LIKE? ANYWAY, I'M TRYING TO FIND IT.

IS THERE, IS THERE ANY OTHER, UM, ANY OTHER SIGNS ALONG OLD MILTON THAT HAVE THE GREEN? I GUESS CAN WE, UH, I, I LOOK IT UP FOR BROOK CAN TAKE A QUICK, UH, TAKE US ON A QUICK TRIP UP AND DOWN OLD MILTON PARKWAY.

ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU SEE? MONUMENT SIGN WISE? THERE'S ONE.

WELL, MAYBE.

THERE, THERE IT IS.

OH LOOK, THERE'S A GREEN RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

THAT'S WHY JOEL MAKES THE BIG BUCKS.

I FOUND, UH, A RANGE ONLINE FOR BROOKSIDE WITH PANTONE COLORS, BUT IT COULD JUST BE TO MATCH THE, UH, STANDARDS.

LOOKS GOOD.

I THOUGHT IT'S GOOD.

YEAH, I WOULD JUST, I I THINK THAT DARK, I THINK THE GREEN GREEN ON THE THING UP THERE WOULD BE, I, I WOULD, IF I WERE LOOKING AT IT JUST WITHOUT COMING HERE, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD APPROVE.

THAT DARK GREEN.

WOULD YOU PREFER THAT? OKAY.

WITH THAT? YEAH, I, I CAN GO EITHER WAY.

PERSONALLY, I THINK ANY SHADE OF GREEN'S BETTER THAN RED.

BEFORE WE GET TO A MOTION, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. OWENS? WHAT WAS, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON THE GREEN SINCE YOU SORT OF BROUGHT IT UP AS THE RED WAS SORT OF A YEAH, I'M IN TOTAL, TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH.

I'M IN TOTAL, I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT.

'CAUSE IT, IT'S THE OLD PHRASE.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? ? YEAH, IT WAS THE RED.

YEAH, IT'S THE RED COLOR.

SOMEONE WANNA CRAFT A MOTION FOR THIS APPLICATION, PLEASE? MR. CHAIRMAN D RRB.

2 6 0 0 0 6.

CHEVRON.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UM, THE, UH, COLOR AND SIGNAGE CHANGES PRESENTED TODAY.

UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT THE RED BANDING ON THE MONUMENT SIGN BE CHANGED TO THE, UM, BROOKSIDE GREEN AND A MOTION.

SECOND.

A MOTION BY MS. PALMER.

A SECOND BY MR. ROWLAND.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR? THERE BEING NONE ON CALL FOR VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

ALL OPPOSED? SO ALL OPPOSITION MOTION PASSES.

WELL DONE.

I GUESS YOU WANT BOARD BACK, RIGHT? OKAY.

AND END OUR RECESS THIS MORNING.

OH, OKAY.

UM, TELL HER SHE CAN GO AHEAD AND SIT.

OUR NEXT APPLICATION IS GONNA BE AC HOTEL NORTH WINDS.

YOU'RE HERE.

COME ON DOWN.

UM, MR. ROWAN HAS EXCUSED HIMSELF.

WE'RE GONNA TAKE A, WHEN YOU GET SET UP, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.

PERFECT.

SO BEAR WITH US.

I'LL GIVE YOU, GIVE YOU TIME TO GET SET UP.

SO, FIVE MINUTE RECESS.

ALRIGHT, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD

[5. DRB260007 AC Hotel Northwinds 2000 Summit Place
review new construction]

GET STARTED WITH OUR NEXT APPLICATION, UM, AC, HOTEL NORTH WINDS.

WELCOME.

UM, IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

INTRODUCE YOURSELF THIS MORNING, AND THEN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET TODAY, PLEASE.

WE'RE GONNA, BRETT'S GONNA TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON.

I'M WONDERING IF IT'S VIEWING LIKE I HAVE.

IS THAT YOU OR IS THAT ME? THAT'S YOU.

IT'S YOU.

WELL, THE PROBLEM IS I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE IT ON MY SCREEN.

[01:20:02]

IT'S ACTING LIKE YOU HAVE TWO SCREENS.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S DOING.

IF YOU WANT TO MIMIC IT, UM, UH, GO TO SEARCH.

JUST HIT DISPLAY SETTINGS AND THEN INSTEAD OF EXTEND, JUST HIT DUPLICATE OR, OR NO DUPLICATE.

IT'S CHANGING.

UH, GO TO REVERT.

OH, NOW IT IS NOTHING'LL TAKE, IT'LL TAKE A SECOND.

OH.

UH, EXTEND, UH, DUPLICATE AT THE TOP.

UH, THEN KEEP THEN CLOSE THAT BAD BOY.

AND NOW THERE WE GO.

SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO.

WE ALL SET? VERY GOOD.

IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

MY NAME'S GABRIEL HERRING.

I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE, UH, AC UH, HOTEL BY MARRIOTT.

UH, I'M WITH CRIO CORPORATION, AS YOU CAN SEE ON OUR DISPLAY UP THERE.

UH, CEO AND OWNER OF CRIO HERE, CLINT HERRING.

AND THEN OUR, UH, FORMER ARCHITECT, UH, KEITH VANDERBILT IS HERE 'CAUSE HE CAN'T KEEP HIS PHONE QUIET, .

UM, BUT, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER OBVIOUSLY ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.

UM, UH, THIS PROJECT WAS PRESENTED, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND THERE'S SEVERAL COMPONENTS OF IT THAT HAVE NOT CHANGED AT ALL.

UH, THE SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPING, GENERAL SIGNAGE, LOCATIONS, UM, UH, A SLEW OF OTHER ITEMS HAVE NOT CHANGED.

I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL OF YOU THAT ARE, ARE NEW, UH, TO THIS BOARD.

UM, BUT JUST KIND OF WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT FACT.

UM, AS WE KIND OF GO THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A 44 PAGE DOCUMENT.

UM, I'LL GO THROUGH AS QUICKLY OR AS NOT QUICKLY AS Y'ALL WANT ME TO.

UM, AND, UH, SO I GUESS WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, YOU START, WHY DON'T YOU START WITH THE SITE PLAN, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE? YEP.

OR THE OVERALL KIND OF, I KNOW IT'S A, UM, I BROUGHT A PRINTED VERSION OF THAT TOO.

OKAY, WELL THAT'S FINE TOO.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IMPORTANT.

EITHER ONE.

EITHER WAY WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT PRINTED, WE CAN LOOK AT, WE CAN LOOK AT, UH, ELECTRONIC.

IF YOU'VE GOT LIKE, JUST THE, UH, THE MASTER PLAN, IF YOU HAVE THAT PART OF YOUR PACKAGE, THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO GIVE US, KIND OF ORIENT US WHERE IT IS ON THE SIDE, ON THE I DO.

THAT'LL BE HELPFUL.

AND WE, UH, WE DID OBSERVE THAT WAS EXACTLY SIX YEARS AGO TO THE DAY THAT, UH, YEP.

THIS, THIS BOARD LOOKED AT THIS APPLICATION VIRTUALLY ALL VIRTUALLY AT THE TIME.

H IS, UH, THIS PROJECT, UM, AS YOU CAN TELL.

AND ACTUALLY, UM, YEAH, WE UPDATED THAT FOR THE 165 ROOMS THAT, THAT THIS APPLICATION IS, IS BASED ON.

BUT THIS IS IN THE NORTH WIND SUMMIT, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS HAYNES BRIDGE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING HERE AT THE LEFT.

AND THIS IS SUMMIT PLACE, AS YOU'LL SEE ON YOUR, UH, ON YOUR SITE PLAN EXHIBIT THERE.

AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING, WE'RE LOOKING AT H IS THE LOCATION YES, SIR.

THE HOTEL AND YES, SIR.

SURFACE PARKING LOT.

AND YOU SAID ORIGINALLY THE SITE PLAN'S NOT CHANGED AT ALL? NOT CHANGED AT ALL.

SO SITE PLAN HASN'T CHANGED.

THE FOOTPRINT HASN'T CHANGED THE LOCATION OF THE, UM, I GUESS THE DUMPSTERS HASN'T CHANGED EXACTLY THE SAME, UM, IN ALL RESPECTS.

I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION, UM, THE FIRST GO ROUND AND WE HAD SOME AT THE WORKSHOP THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF TUNNEL THAT'S GONNA BE PROPOSED UNDERNEATH HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD.

THAT'S NOT HAPPENING AT THIS POINT.

TO OUR, YEAH.

TO OUR, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S ALL GONE AWAY.

I THINK THAT WAS PART THE ALPHA LOOP TUNNEL, ALPHA LOOP OR SOMETHING WAS GONNA YEAH.

OR TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONNECT THOSE TWO, SO.

UH, MAYBE WE DIVE A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THE SITE PLAN, WHICH, UH, WHICH PART OF THAT WOULD, WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL? WE'VE GOT, UM, UH, JUST, UH, LET'S SEE.

TAKE THIS, WE'VE GOT, OKAY.

A BUNCH OF STUFF HERE.

I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, UH, THE LANDSCAPE COMPONENT OF IT'S

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KIND OF A BETTER VIEW.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL, UH, STRUCTURAL, UH, I MEAN, NOT STRUCTURAL, BUT, UH, CIVIL RELATED PLANS.

WHY DON'T YOU JUST STAY RIGHT THERE A MINUTE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING.

UM, JUST MAYBE SHOW US THE OUTLINE OF WHERE THE HOTEL BUILDING IS.

THIS IS THE PERIMETER.

CAN YOU SEE THAT OKAY? YES, WE CAN.

THIS IS THE, UH, THE OUT THE ALPHA LOOP THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING.

IS ALL RIGHT.

OUT HERE, UH, THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING, IT'S FOLLOWING THIS, YOU, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THESE YELLOW, UH, PIECES HERE.

THAT'S THE OUTLINE OF THE BUILDING.

THERE'S A LITTLE DRIVE THROUGH, UH, DROP OFF LOCATION UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.

LITTLE PORTAGE SHARE THERE.

UH, THE PARKING GARAGE THAT WE HAVE, MOST OF OUR AVAILABLE, I SAY MOST, BUT YES, THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR AVAILABLE PARKING IS LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, SO THERE WAS MENTION OF PARKING, PARKING UNDERNEATH YOUR HOTEL THAT'S NOT, THERE'S NO PARKING UNDERNEATH IT.

THE DROP OFF DOES DRIVE THROUGH AND THERE'S SOME BETTER IMAGERY THAT WILL SHOW THAT LATER.

THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

UM, BUT YES, SIR, THAT'S THE CASE.

AND THERE THERE IS ONSITE PARKING, UH, I THINK IT'S MAYBE 22 PARKING SPOTS.

DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT, BUT IT'S AROUND THAT NUMBER.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

OR THAT IS, THAT IS THIS AREA? YES, SIR.

AND THAT, THAT SHOWS UP PRETTY WELL ON, ON THIS SITE PLAN.

GOT IT.

THAT YOU JUST PASSED OUT.

UM, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE SOME UNDERGROUND STORM WATER DETAIN EACH HAPPENING.

THAT'S WHERE THAT'S HAPPENING.

UM, JUST CAN YOU JUST SHOW US THAT AREA OR THAT ALRIGHT, THAT'S WHERE THE, OKAY.

UM, DUMPSTER LOCATION TRANSFORMER.

AND THE RETAINING WALL THERE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

THESE, THESE GRADES ARE RELATIVELY STEEP COMING OFF OF HAYNES BRIDGE, KIND OF DOWN THAT HILL.

AND SO IN ORDER TO KIND OF BLEND ALL THAT THERE, AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THAT IN THE ELEVATIONS AS WE GO THROUGH IT.

BUT REALLY FROM THE, THE HAYNES BRIDGE SIDE, UM, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE IT REALLY READS ITS SIX STORY BUILDING.

UH, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY AS YOU GET TO THE OTHER END, IT KIND OF, YOU CAN SEE THE FULL EXTENT OF THE SEVENTH FLOOR.

BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME GRADES THERE.

WE HAVE SOME RETAINING STRUCTURES AND WHATNOT TO HELP OBVIOUSLY ON THAT POINT.

UM, CAN YOU PULL, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS THE BEST DRAWING.

CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THERE'S SOME, UH, RETAINING WALLS OR WALLS? UH, THIS ACTUALLY IS A PRETTY DECENT VERSION OKAY.

TO, TO DO THAT ON.

THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE ANOTHER SHEET THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR, BUT THESE ARE, THIS, I'M FOLLOWING RETAINING STRUCTURE.

SO THERE'S A KIND OF A LOW WALL THAT IS, UH, RIGHT ALONG THE ALPHA LOOP THERE.

UH, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING MARRIOTT ACTUALLY REQUESTED THAT WE ADD SOME LIGHT INTO THE FITNESS ROOM.

WHICH WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH.

IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER TO HAVE LIGHT IN THE FITNESS ROOM.

BUT IN ORDER TO EXECUTE ON THAT, WE ACTUALLY NEEDED TO PUT A LITTLE RETAINING WALL THERE, UH, TO, TO BE SURE THAT WE COULD GET, GET WINDOWS IN THERE.

I SEE.

SO, UH, THE OTHER RETAINING STRUCTURE, UH, THIS IS THE, IT GOES BACK THIS WAY, BUT IT'S, IT'S BACK BEHIND THIS SIGN STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE.

SO I'M NOT SURE IF I, SO THAT RETAINING WALL IS TO BLOCK THE VIEW FROM THE ROADWAY INTO THE WINDOWS, OR WHY I, BECAUSE IT NO, NO.

THE, THE ONE THAT'S ALONG THE, UH, THE, THE ALPHA LOOP, IT'S, IT'S NOT OH, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY DOWN BELOW CORRECT GRADE? CORRECT.

OH, I GOTCHA.

AND IT'S NOT SUBSTANTIAL.

I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TOP OF IT, BUT IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THREE FEET.

KIND OF CREATED A WELL, THAT'S RIGHT.

TO WELL, THAT'S RIGHT.

SO THAT ENABLED YOU TO ADD, SO IT ENABLED YOU TO ADD WINDOWS DOWN THERE THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY DIDN'T.

THAT'S WHY.

SO IT LOOKS MORE JUST STRUCTURAL, NOT ABOVE GRADE, REALLY.

ANY OTHER, UM, SO THEN THERE'LL BE SOME KIND OF RAILING ALONG THE TOP OF THAT.

THAT WALL? YES, SIR.

WE'LL KEEP THE, UH, SKATEBOARDERS FROM GOING, GOING OFF THE, GOING OFF INTO THE, WELL, YEAH.

AND THEN HOW ABOUT ANYTHING AROUND THE, UH, THE GENERATOR, UH, DUMPSTER AREA? YEAH.

ALL THAT IS FULLY ENCLOSED.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW.

SO EXPOSED WALL HEIGHT.

4.3 FEET.

NOW IT SAYS THAT WALL IS RUBBED CONCRETE FINISH, UH, SCREEN RETAINING, WALL RUBBED CONCRETE FINISH.

AND THAT'S ON THE HAYNES BRIDGE SIDE? YES.

AND THERE'S A SLEW OF LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF THIS.

WE CAN REVIEW THAT AS WELL.

THE, THERE AREN'T THE, THE, THE MOST SUBSTANTIVE VISIBLE WALL IS GOING TO BE ON THAT HAYNES BRIDGE SIDE.

ANY, ANY OTHER WALLS AS WE WALK, KIND OF WALK AROUND THE SITE?

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AND I SAY SUBSTANTIVE, IT'S STILL NOT THAT SUBSTANTIVE, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE THE MOST VISIBLE WALL.

UM, EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONNA KIND OF APPEAR BELOW GRADE.

MY, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S JUST RUB CONCRETE AND IT'S ON THE HAYES BRIDGE SIDE.

UM, SO LET'S, LET'S SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN ELEVATIONS.

YEAH, LET'S KEEP THAT HOLD THAT THOUGHT THERE, THERE WAS, JUST TO CIRCLE UP ON THAT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS ON THAT.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE HAPPY WITH IT YET, BUT, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS ON THAT.

TO BE SURE THE AESTHETIC WAS REASONABLE.

AND THEN ANY OTHER WALL THAT CONTINUES AROUND THE DUMPSTER AREA AND GOES TO THE, WHAT IS THAT? THE, THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE SITE LOOKS LIKE? YES, SIR.

THIS IS THE NORTHERN SIDE.

SO THERE, THERE IS A WALL THERE TOO, SORT.

UM, IT, IT, IT IS, IT, IT JUST, IT, IT, I WON'T SAY IT GOES AWAY PROMPTLY.

PART OF THIS IS, IS THERE FOR THE, UH, UH, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.

UNDERSTAND.

SO THE, THE WALL PART OF IT IS, IS SOME OF IT'S RETAINING AND SOME OF IT'S OBVIOUSLY THERE TO, TO SCREEN MM-HMM .

SO, BUT LOOKS LIKE IT ALSO RUNS OR WRAPS EVEN.

IT, IT ENDS HERE.

THERE'S A VERY, VERY, VERY LOW WALL.

AND I'LL SAY LIKE, BASICALLY HIGH CURB IF YOU WILL.

ON THIS, ON THIS NORTH, NORTH SIDE.

WHY DON'T YOU KEEP, KEEP HEADING TO THE RIGHT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT, OKAY.

I THINK WE'VE, UH, I THINK WE'VE SEEN ENOUGH ON THAT DRAWING.

I, WHAT DO YOU HAVE THAT'S NEXT? THIS IS LIGHTING.

HOLD ON.

LET'S, LET'S SEE.

WHAT UTILITY PLAN, GRADING PLAN, UH, THIS SECTION IS THE LANDSCAPE REVIEW.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN Y'ALL'S MIND, A GOOD SPOT TO AHEAD, BUT, UH, WE CAN, HAS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN CHANGED SINCE THE PRIOR PRESENTATION? IT, IT HAD, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH IT.

IT MAY ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE WALL TO THE WALL SCREENING AS WELL.

WHY DON'T YOU, WHILE WE'RE ON THE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE SITE AND EVERYTHING, WALK US THROUGH THE LANDSCAPING PLEASE.

SO THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST VIEW OF THAT.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE WALL THAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING.

THAT'S ABOUT FOUR FOOT PLUS OR MINUS ABOVE GRADE.

AND THEN THESE ARE THESE STEVEN HOLLY'S.

I MEAN, I'M, I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT Y'ALL PROBABLY KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

'CAUSE THERE'S A BUNCH OF 'EM AROUND HERE.

BUT THOSE ARE VERY FULL EVERGREEN, UH, LARGE HOLLIES.

AND THEN FOR INSTANCE, WHAT'S AT THE BASE OF THOSE HOLLIES? WHAT'S THAT MATERIAL? LET'S SEE.

THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE? YES.

LEMME SEE IF I CAN FIND WHERE THAT'S BEING LABELED HERE.

LOOKS, WHAT DID YOU ASK ABOUT, UH, WHAT WAS AT THE BASE OF THE, UH, UH, NELLY R STEVENS HOLLY, THE KIND OF THE GROUND COVER THROUGH THERE? YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT, UH, JOIN THE HOLLYS AND THE YEAH, THIS AREA RIGHT THERE BETWEEN THE HOLLYS AND THE ENTRANCE THERE, THERE'S AN EVERGREEN GROUND COVER.

I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S WHAT THAT'S POINT TO.

THAT'S SHOWING NEEDLE POINT, HOLLY, BUT THAT DOESN'T, IT'S A LEERY OAK.

SOME OF THAT IS, YOU HAVE A LOT OF JASMINE AND A LOT OF LE UP.

SO I MEAN THAT, THAT'S POINTING THERE.

IT SAYS IT POINT HOLLY AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE THERE, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE SOMETHING'S HIDING.

I DON'T SEE ANOTHER REFERENCE FOR THAT ANYMORE.

WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU WALK US AROUND

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THE SITE.

MAYBE WE WILL, UM, DISCOVER WHAT THAT STIPPLING IS.

YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER, ANOTHER REFERENCE TO IT SOMEWHERE.

I WASN'T SEEING IT RIGHT OFF.

SO LET'S, LET'S, UH, HEAD, SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THAT MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S THERE NOW FOR NORTH WINDS, UH, THAT I'M KIND OF HOVERING OVER RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S THAT MAIN CORNER.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SUMMIT PLACE AS YOU COME DOWN THE HILL AND WRAP AROUND, THIS IS A ONE-WAY EXIT THAT GOES, YOU KNOW, YOU COME THROUGH HERE AND THEN DROP OFF AND EXIT AND GO TO PARK AT THE GARAGE.

OR YOU WOULD REENTER THE PARKING LOT OR MAYBE JUST PARK AND NOT GO THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY.

UM, SO THE MATERIAL THAT'S BETWEEN THE ALPHA LOOP AND THE, UM, THE HOTEL BUILDING GOT SOME JASMINE.

WHAT ELSE? LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT SOME, YOU'VE GOT SOME GROUPINGS OF THREES IN THERE.

UM, WHAT ARE THOSE? OH, YOU GOT SOME OAKLEAF HYDRANGEA.

THAT'S AN EMERALD ARBOR PROVIDED.

AND THAT'S IN THAT KIND OF WELL AREA? THAT'S CORRECT.

THE RIPE, THE BLACK SUSAN, THE BLACK EYE.

SUSAN'S.

UM, AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT SOME OAK LEAF FIRE RANGE.

I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT THE SITE IS IRRIGATED LANDSCAPE.

I THINK THAT'S BERMUDA'S SOD.

THAT IS THAT STIPING, IS THAT BERMUDA SOD AROUND THE UH, AROUND THE HOLLYS? YEAH.

WELL, I LOOKED AT THAT TOO, AND, AND I WAS, I WAS HEADED THAT DIRECTION, UH, AS WELL.

UM, BUT I PAUSED WHEN I SAW THAT, THAT THERE WERE KIND OF THIS ARROW AND THIS ARROW MM-HMM .

UM, OH YEAH.

SO I, YOU KNOW, SO IN THE, IN THE PRIOR REVIEW, THERE WAS ONE CONDITION ON THE LANDSCAPING THAT APPLICANT HAD MORE EVERGREEN LANDSCAPING UP AGAINST THE FOUNDATION OF THE BUILDING.

AND THAT MAY BE WHY THERE'S SO MUCH OF THIS, YOU KNOW, FOREST, UH, WELL, NOT THAT, BUT THESE NEEDLEPOINT HOLLY KIND OF MATERIALS.

THIS IS JASMINE THAT'S AGAINST THE, UH, THAT WALL AND SIGN ON THE CORNER.

AND I KNOW WE HADN'T FOCUSED ON IT, BUT, BUT HERE'S, YOU KNOW, HERE'S KIND OF THE FEEL AND VIBE OF THOSE, UH, MATERIALS, WHICH, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, Y'ALL DO A FANTASTIC JOB WITH LANDSCAPE REVIEW.

I MEAN, THE ALPHARETTA'S, WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH IT, YOU CAN TELL PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO IT.

WELL, THANK YOU.

I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT GET TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

THESE USE ARE EVERGREEN.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A FEW EVERGREEN ELEMENTS HERE.

BRACKEN, YOU FINE WITH THAT? WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS.

LAST ONE, WHICH ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THIS MATERIAL THAT'S UP? YEAH.

THIS ONE UP HERE? YEAH.

THAT I'M HOVERING OVER.

THAT WRAPS THE WALL THAT'S UNDERNEATH THOSE HOLLOW.

WELL, IT'S, NO, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE.

IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BELOW IT.

THAT'S OUT FRONT ALSO THAT SAYS A ATTIC OR, UH, ASIAN JASMINE.

SCREEN WALL AND THE GENERATOR.

AND WHAT'S IN GREEN RIGHT THERE IS ASIAN JASMINE.

BUT I DON'T FIND AN INDICATION OF THAT TOP.

IS THAT, SEE, THAT'S ON THE PARKING LOT SIDE.

WELL, THIS IS KIND OF, THIS IS KIND OF, I THINK THE NEEDLE POINT HOLLY'S THAT YOU'RE SEEING UP THERE ARE WHAT'S THE CODE REQUIRED? DOUBLE ROW OF HOLLY'S ON THE PARKING LOT AT THE, AT THE PARKING LOT.

I DO SEE ANOTHER INDICATION OF TWAY BERMUDA.

SO MAYBE IT'S BERMUDA, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE SILLY ON THE TOP OF THE HILL.

YEAH, I, I AGREE.

SEE, I, I WAS VISUALIZING THAT, THAT HE'S POINTING TO THIS AS THAT.

BUT I THINK WITH THE, THE, THE POINT IS WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S, THAT'S THE DUMPSTER

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AND I THINK MAYBE THE TRANSFORMER IS RIGHT THERE TOO.

I ALWAYS LIKE TO HAVE ENOUGH LANDSCAPING AT THE BASE AND ABOVE IT TO, WELL, YEAH.

AND, AND TWO, THAT'S ALL SITTING BELOW GRADE FROM HAYS BRIDGE.

YEAH, THAT'S WELL BELOW GRADE.

THAT'S SUBSTANTIALLY BELOW GRADE.

WE, WE, WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT, I GUESS THE CIVIL DRAWING AND LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK.

BUT, BUT JUST IN REFERENCE.

SO THIS IS A, UH, 1 68 RIGHT THERE.

1 0 68.

HERE'S, UM, JOEL, IF YOU CAN SWAP OVER TO ME REAL QUICK, HERE'S A STREET VIEW IMAGE OF THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF KEITH, IF ANY OF YOUR PLANS SHOW THE HEIGHT OF THIS TOP OF WALL, BUT, BUT THAT DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS LIKE 15 FEET BELOW IT.

IF I READ THE PLANS RIGHT FROM THAT VIEW RIGHT THERE, IF YOU, YOU YOU NEED TO SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.

FROM, FROM THAT, FROM THAT VIEW RIGHT THERE, THAT WAS A STREET VIEW ON LONG HAYNES BRIDGE FROM GRADE, ALL YOU'LL SEE IS A VERTICAL RISE OF FOUR FOOT.

AND THEN EVERY BIT OF THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS DOWN LOW, ABOUT 15 FEET BELOW THAT.

AND SO THE CONCEPT OF THE, OF THE PLAN IS, IS THAT IT FROM A MAXIMUM FOUR FOOT ABOVE GRADE AT THAT LOCATION, YOU WOULD SEE THE TOP OF THAT CONCRETE WALL.

BUT THEN THE FRONT OF THAT CONCRETE WALL IS COMPLETELY PLANTED.

SO IT GOES AWAY TOTALLY AT GRADE.

AND SO YOU GO GROUND COVER UP TO THE BASE TO THE WALL, BUT THE FRONT OF THE WALL IS PLANTED.

SO IF YOU WERE GONNA SEE ANYTHING, YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK UNDERNEATH THE HOLLIES, THE NELLIE STEVENS, YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK UNDERNEATH THEM TO SEE WHICH FROM STREET VIEW.

THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOUR, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOUR EYE'S AT IS YOU'RE UNDERNEATH THEM.

BUT YOU'RE, YOU WON'T SEE, I'M CONFIDENT YOU WON'T SEE ANY OF THE WALL OR ANY OF THAT DOWN BELOW THERE.

UM, KEITH, IS THIS WALL STAYING? IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS.

I'M GABRIEL, I'M SORRY.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT THIS WALL IS STAYED.

SO THAT, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S THAT, UH, THAT KEEPS SHOWING UP HERE.

THIS IS ALL REMAINING.

SO WITH THE HOLLS AND STUFF, I, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE ANY OF THAT.

THOSE, THOSE HOLLIES WOULD BE FULL TO THE GROUND? YEAH.

JUST AS THEY, JUST AS THEY, AS THEY LOOK TO US RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN GO BACK TO I WAS TRYING TO, I WAS TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER VIEW MAYBE THAT HELPED A LITTLE BIT ON THIS.

THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE RUBBED CONCRETE.

THIS IS THAT EXISTING WALL UNDER FRANK.

THIS IS THE EXISTING WALL AND IT, IT'S SHOWING UP BACK HERE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS RENDERING ACTUALLY PICKED THAT UP.

WELL, TO BE HONEST, YES.

I DON'T THINK THAT RENDERING, UM, IT PICKS UP OTHER ELEMENTS.

WELL, BUT IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T PICK UP THAT ELEMENT VERY WELL.

KEITH, WAS THERE ANOTHER ELEVATION? THERE WAS TWO DIMENSIONAL ELEVATION.

IT, IT DOESN'T SHOW IT IN THIS VIEW.

IT MAY, IT SHOWS THAT MEAN HOW, HOW FAR DOWN? SO THE, YEAH, IT'D BE PERFECT IF IT'S ABOUT 15 PEOPLE OVER FROM THE TOP OF THE WALL.

THE PARKING LOT, THE WALL, THE, OH, SO THE WALL FACES INTO THE SITE, NOT OUT FROM THE SINK? YEAH, IT'S A CUT.

IT'S A CUT WALL BEHIND THAT, UH, NORTH WIND STONE WALL.

SO THE WALL'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

REALLY? IT'D BE VISIBLE FROM THEIR PARKING LOT.

FROM THEIR PARKING LOT.

OH, THAT'S INTERESTING.

WHY DID THEY SAY IT WAS A, FROM THAT, DID I READ SOMETHING WRONG? IT SAID RUBBED CONCRETE, BUT ON, ON THE HANES BRIDGE SIDE, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

IT SAID YOU, YOU ARE GONNA SEE, THEORETICALLY YOU'LL SEE SOME, I GUESS RIGHT, THERE'S A FOUR FOOT HIGH WALL.

THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE HAYES BRIDGE SIDE.

YOU'LL SEE IT'S FOUR AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE HOLLS OKAY.

ARE PLANTED.

THOSE HOLLS ARE GONNA BE WAY TALLER THAN THAT WALL BY THE WAY.

BUT, BUT THAT WILL BE A FULL SCREEN IN FRONT OF THAT.

AND, AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IF, IF THAT'S, IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LANDSCAPE COVERAGE THERE, THAT'S NOT A BIG ASK IN OUR MIND.

UM, BUT THE INTENT IS TO HAVE A VERY REFINED WALL.

I WISH I KIND OF HAD ACTUALLY HAD THE, THE, THE FINAL PLANS.

'CAUSE THESE PLANS WERE ACTUALLY FULLY DEVELOPED TO THE END WITH THE SIX STORY CONCEPT.

SO I MEAN, WE WERE, WE WERE JUST SHY OF HAVING PERMITS IN HAND.

UM, BUT, BUT THAT, THAT WALL IS A, IS A VERY CLEAN, REFINED, NICE CONCRETE WALL.

IT'S NOT A ROUGH JUST, YOU KNOW,

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FINISHED TEXTURE WALL.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL WALL.

UM, RICHARD, ANY OTHER LANDSCAPING ITEMS? THINGS THAT YOU NO, WE, WE REVIEW THOSE FREEZE.

RETAINING WALLS OR LANDSCAPING.

AND I DON'T, I WAS GOING BACK TO THE OLD PACKAGE, LOOKING AT THE COUNCIL CONDITIONS, I DON'T REALLY SEE MUCH IN THERE RELATED TO THIS OTHER THAT SAYS RETAINING WALL SHALL RECEIVE ARCHITECTURAL, ARCHITECTURAL FACADE TREATMENT OR BE HEAVILY LANDSCAPED.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I SEE ABOUT THE OKAY.

AND FRANKLY, THE GOAL WAS KIND OF BOTH.

I MEAN, WE, WE WERE, WERE THERE A LOT OF COUNCIL CONDITIONS THAT NOT, NOT, NOT A LOT.

THAT, I MEAN THE, WAIT, THERE'S A COUNCIL CONDITION ON THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE GONNA GET TO IN A MINUTE.

IT SAYS REPRESENTATIVE OF A TRADITIONAL STYLE, COMMON AND NOT CORRECT.

THAT'S, THAT'S OLD, THAT'S THE OLD CONDITIONS.

ARE THERE NEW CONDITIONS? YES.

AND THE ONLY CONDITION IS THE ONE THAT I READ TO YOU THIS MORNING SAYS, EFAS SHALL BE PERMITTED AS AN EXTERIOR FINISHED MATERIAL IN THE HOTEL LIMITED TO AREAS AS DEPICTED ON THE ELEVATIONS PREPARED BY REESE VANDERBILT.

11 THREE.

OH, SO THEY CAME BACK TO COUNCIL? YES, THEY WERE BACK TO COUNCIL AND THERE WAS A NEW, THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS A COMPLETELY NEW, AND THERE WAS A NEWER UH OH, OKAY.

NEW THING.

YEAH, I GOT IT.

SO THESE OLD CONDITIONS ARE SUPERSEDED OKAY.

SUPERSEDING.

HOWEVER, I THINK IF, IF THEY'RE GOOD THEN, YOU KNOW YEAH.

CONSIDER AND APPROPRIATE LIKE THE WALL AND YOU KNOW.

AND THAT'S WHERE THEY GOT APPROVAL FOR ANOTHER 25, ANOTHER STORY, 25 ROOMS OR YEP.

ANY OTHER, UM, LANDSCAPE, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I'M GONNA ASSUME SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING FITS IN WITH THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT, SOME OF THE, THE MATERIAL TYPES.

UH, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT VERY DEFINITIVELY.

I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT IN MY REVIEW OF WHAT I SEE HERE AND KIND OF MY REVIEW OF THE PLANS, I KNOW THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'VE SEEN IN ALPHARETTA A LOT.

UM, AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH NORTH WINDS.

UM, THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF NORTH WINDS HAS A LOT OF WHAT I'LL CALL MORE URBAN STREETSCAPE.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT LESS FORWARD FACING PLANT MATERIAL, UH, ALONG THAT STRETCH.

UM, BUT I, I DO THINK IT'S CONSISTENT.

UH, I, UM, OKAY.

AND, AND TO THAT POINT, THE PRIMARY OBSERVATION ONE WOULD GET IN EVALUATING THE HARMONY OF, OF THE PLANTING ARE THE TREES.

THOSE, UH, TREES ON HS BRIDGE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND THEY'VE GROWN A LOT AND THEY COMPLIMENT THE OTHER TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THE STREET INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT.

LISTEN.

AND TO THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW, FOUR, FIVE YEARS AGO, MAYBE SIX YEARS, MIGHT HAVE EVEN BEEN SIX YEARS AGO, WE DID THE, THE NORTH WIND SUMMIT STREETSCAPE YES.

PLANT.

SO, SO THAT ALL WILL TAKE BASICALLY TO, TO BACKLIGHT OF THE ALPHA LOOP.

UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF LANDSCAPING ON THEIR SITE, BUT AS MR. OWEN SAID, IT'S, IT, IT'S REALLY THE TREES THAT THEN COMPLIMENT THE ALPHA LOOP AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOO.

THE, THIS IS A MOSTLY BUILDING SITE , UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LOOP AND THINGS MIXED IN THERE, SO IT WON'T LOOK LIKE A, A COMPLETELY FULL SITE, BUT, BUT MOST OF WHAT THEY DO IS, IS THEIR BUILDING AND THEIR WALLS.

HOR DID ALL PLANS.

HGOR DID THAT PLAN AND WE APPROVED THAT BACK THEN.

AND SO YEAH, THAT'LL ALL, THAT'LL ALL TIE TOGETHER ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREET.

YEAH, I DON'T, I'M, I'M ASSUMING Y'ALL CALL IT THAT, BUT THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS THE SAME ARCHITECT THAT DID, UH, THE NORTH WINDS.

THAT'S GOOD.

THEN THERE'S SOME CONTINUITY BETWEEN THAT'S CORRECT.

ANY, ANY SITE LIGHTING THAT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT? YEAH, SITE LIGHTING IS, IS IN HERE.

COULDN'T REMEMBER IF I, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

I'VE BEEN LOOKING BACK AND FORTH AT THE OLD PACKAGE AND THE NEW NEW PACKAGE AND NOW I'VE GOTTEN CONFUSED AS TO WHICH IS WHICH.

BUT POINT OF PROCEDURE, BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW APPLICATION, WE HAVE TO REAPPROVE EVERYTHING AND, AND COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.

DIDN'T CHANGE, WE STILL NEED TO DO A SITELINE.

WE IT LAST TIME YEAH.

ON OUR END WE WERE, WE WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH HE SAID SITELINE

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SO, YEAH.

SO THIS IS THE SITE LIGHTING ELEMENTS HERE AND, AND THAT LIGHTING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ALPHA LOOP LIGHTING IN OUR AREAS.

THE LIGHTING THAT'LL BE ON THE ALPHA LOOP WILL BE.

BUT THE LIGHTING INTERIOR, UM, SAY YOUR PARKING LOT LIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, ARE THOSE THE SAME? DO YOU KNOW, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY STAND PARKING LOT STANDARDS IN THERE? OR NO? YEAH.

YES, THEY DO.

OR THERE ARE THREE OF 'EM.

THOSE, THESE, THESE THREE.

TO YOUR POINT, THESE THREE LIGHTS RIGHT HERE ARE, I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING DEFINITIVELY THAT THAT IS, THAT'S THE NORTH WIND, THAT'S THE NORTH WINDS LIGHT RIGHT THERE.

IF YOU SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT WAS THE, THE ONES ALONG THE PATH.

THOSE, AND THOSE ARE THE CONSISTENT WITH ALPHA LOOP.

AND IT APPEARS THAT WE KIND OF JUST KEPT THAT PATTERN THROUGH SOME OF THE REST OF THE SITE, SO THERE'S SOME COHESIVENESS THERE AS WELL.

AND, UM, I DO SEE IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE EDGE OF YOUR BUILDING, YOU'VE GOT SOME YELLOW THERE ON THE BOTTOM.

TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, YES.

OR ALONG THE BUILDING AT THE BUILDING.

DOES THAT MEAN THERE'S LIGHTING THERE TOO? TH THIS RIGHT HERE? YES.

TH THAT'S, THAT IS KIND OF DECEIVING ON THIS.

THERE, THERE'S NO LIGHTING THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE SHADING THAT, JUST TO KIND OF BRING ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THAT'S ACTUAL KIND OF STOREFRONT THERE AT THE EDGE.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO OVER TO HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD AND JUST, JUST ZOOM IN ON THE PHOTO METRICS? IS THAT, IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? YEAH, IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN A LITTLE MORE.

READ THE, READ THE NUMBERS.

SO YOU GOT ALMOST NOTHING SPILLING OVER.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH ZERO ALONG THERE.

THAT YELLOW IS COMING FROM THAT WINDOW.

OH, GOTCHA.

, DID Y'ALL HEAR THAT? YEAH.

NO.

COULD YOU SAY THAT INTERIOR? YEAH.

INTERIOR LIGHT SPREAD OUT OUTSIDE.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S SHOWING.

LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.

THIS IS JUST DEMONSTRATING WHERE PROPOSED SIGNAGE IS TO GO.

UM, WHAT I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE IN THIS MEETING IS THAT THERE MAY BE SOME SPECIFIC SIGNAGE STANDARDS THAT THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA HAS AND OR THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH NORTH WINDS THAT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY PERFECT.

WITH THIS PRESENTATION.

WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE HERE IS, THIS IS WHAT MARRIOTT'S ASK IS.

AND SO THERE WILL BE SOME REFINEMENT SPECIFICS ON, HEY, THIS IS THE EXACT SIZE, THESE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, UM, THE PLACEMENT REALLY IS, IS WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.

SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THIS ASK IS TO SAY, OKAY, YEAH, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT SIGNAGE LOCATION.

UM, AND THERE'S SOME SPECIFICS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ASSOCIATED TO MEET ALL SIGNAGE STANDARDS AS FAR AS SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WHATNOT THAT'S REQUIRED, UM, BY THE CITY OR THE OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR THAT MATTER.

SO THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS MARRIOTT STANDARD ENTRANCE SIGNAGE, MARRIOTT STANDARD MONUMENT SIGN FOR THIS BRAND.

OF COURSE.

AND SO WHERE'S THE, UH, SHOW US WHERE THE MONUMENT, SO THAT'S WHERE THE MONUMENT SIGN SIGN RIGHT HERE IS PROPOSED? YES, SIR.

AND THEN HOW ABOUT THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE RIGHT THERE.

ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE JUST, JUST TWO SIGNS THEN WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK.

WELL, GROUND, GROUND MOUNTED SIGNS.

IS THERE ANY SIGNAGE RELATED TO PARKING THAT WILL OCCUR IN THE PARKING DECK TO GUIDE US TOWARDS THE PARKING DECK AREA THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED, UM, AS, AS PART OF THIS PACKAGE AT ALL? UM, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT, UH, SINCE THAT PARKING DECK'S A, A, YOU KNOW, A MULTI OWNERSHIP SCENARIO MM-HMM .

UM, AT THIS POINT, WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD THAT CONVERSATION TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE TO DIRECT FOLKS THAT WAY.

SO WE WERE GONNA USE THAT AS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, THERE'S ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE DECK, OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIMITED, OBVIOUSLY PARKING DIRECTLY ON SITE.

THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO COME AND CHECK IN ANYWAY.

SURE.

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WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN AND SET UP, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW THE, THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND GUEST EXPERIENCE, UH, I GUESS EVOLVES MM-HMM .

THAT WE MAY END UP DOING A, UM, VALET VALET SITUATION.

VALET.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE SET THIS AREA UP TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A, A, UH, VALET OPTION.

SEEMS LIKE MAYBE ON THE DECK THERE COULD BE A SIGN EVENTUALLY, JUST SO IT'S LIKE, YES, YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

YEAH, YEAH.

UM, THAT SORT OF THING, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE ALONG THE ROADWAY.

AND TO THAT POINT, THERE'S SOME SIGNAGE INSIDE THAT GARAGE THAT KIND OF IS, I GUESS IT'S QUARANTINED OFF WITH, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR CERTAIN USES.

SO IF, BUT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

SO THE, UM, GOING BACK TO THE MONUMENT SIGN A MINUTE.

IS THERE SOME GROUND COVER AT THE BASE OF THAT SIGN? UH, I, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THERE IS, BUT WE CAN GO BACK THERE.

YEAH, THERE, THERE IS.

I SEE THAT ON THE PLAN.

JUST CHECKING.

ANY OTHER, UM, ANYTHING ELSE LANDSCAPE, UM, WHILE WE'RE I SEE A BIKE RACK.

THIS, THIS IS KIND OF HARDSCAPE AND, AND, UH, PATHWAY MATERIALS.

UM, CAN YOU JUST POINT OUT SOME OF THOSE? THE, UH, THE DECORATIVE SIDEWALK VERSUS THE, MAYBE THE STEPPING STONE AREAS? SO WE HAVE A, A SMALL LITTLE STEPPING STONE AREA THAT COMES OFF THE, UH, THE UH, ALPHA LOOP.

THERE'S A LITTLE ENTRY POINT RIGHT HERE INTO KIND OF OUR, I GUESS OUR SIDEWALKS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THE, THE DROP OFF LOCATION THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.

THESE ARE ALL COLORED IN SOME WAY.

UH, I SAY ALL OF THEM THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN COLORS THAT WERE, UH, PICKED FOR SOME OF THESE CONCRETE, UH, I KNOW CAME UP.

'CAUSE IN OUR PRICING WITH THE GCS WE DISCUSSED THAT.

BUT YEAH, SEE THIS INTEGRAL COLOR WITH BLACK BEAUTY SAND.

SO SOME OF THESE ARE STANDARDS THAT WERE ALREADY IN PLACE.

THIS IS ALL PAPERS.

WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF THIS.

IT SHOWS UP OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT'S HERE, BUT, BUT THERE'S A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF THIS.

YOU'RE SAYING THE DECORATIVE CONCRETE SIDEWALK.

SO THE, THE TAN COLOR GOING AROUND THAT, THAT'S CONCRETE PORT CONCRETE SIDEWALK.

IT SAYS TYPE C ONE.

SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT IS THIS.

UH, I NOTICED, LET'S SEE AROUND AGAIN, AROUND THE DUMPSTER AREA.

THERE'S SOME NOTATIONS, FENCE SCREENING, CUSTOM SEGMENTED AND REMOVABLE FENCING AND GATE EIGHT FEET HIGH BLACK STEEL FRAME WITH BLACK ALUMINUM INFILL PANELS.

REFER TO ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURAL PACKAGE.

TRASH ENCLOSURE, RETAINING WALLS BY OTHERS.

ALRIGHT, WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE.

WE SEE THE ELEVATIONS I ASSUME, OR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

I DON'T, I I DON'T KNOW THAT THESE ELEVATIONS ARE GONNA SHOW ALL THAT.

I WILL TELL YOU THIS AND KEITH WILL, UH, CAN OPINE ON THIS TOPIC, BUT WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT, UH, THE SCREENING ELEMENT, WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

CITY GAVE US A LOT OF FEEDBACK.

I MEAN, STAFF DID ON KIND OF, HEY, THAT'S NOT REALLY LOOKING RIGHT.

CAN Y'ALL ADJUST THIS? CAN YOU ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE CHARACTER TO IT? OR WHATEVER ELSE.

SO THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME PUT INTO THAT.

UM, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

WHERE THE, UH, THE GENERATOR'S LOCATED, UM, ACCESS TO THAT AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS THERE IS, IS ACTUALLY KIND OF CHALLENGING.

WE DID WANT THIS TO BE A REMOVABLE PANEL BECAUSE

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SO THERE WAS AN ELEMENT OF THAT WALL THAT NEEDED TO BE, OR THAT FENCING, I'LL CALL IT, ON THAT SIDE, THAT NEEDED TO BE REMOVABLE IF, IF PUSH COME TO SHOVE.

UM, AND JUST CURIOUS, THAT EMERGENCY GENERATOR, IS IT NATURAL GAS OR IS IT THAT IS NATURAL GAS.

SO YOU'RE NOT THAT RETAINING WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.

YOU'RE NOT, ARE YOU GONNA SEE IT AT ALL EVEN FROM THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE NO SIR.

YOU'VE GOT THE GATES AND THE PANEL.

THE PANEL, SO YOU'RE NOT THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE INSIDE OF THE ENCLOSURE.

SO REALLY WE'RE JUST GONNA SEE THE, THE AMOUNT THAT IS ABOVE GRADE ON THE HAYNES BRIDGE SIDE, THAT'S, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE FOUR FOOT THAT'S ABOVE GRADE, PLUS OR MINUS A LITTLE BIT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT FOUR FOOT, THAT'S ON THE HAYNES BRIDGE SIDE.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE NEXT FOR US? HOW ABOUT LET'S LOOK AT, UH, MAYBE EXTRA ELEVATIONS OF MATERIALS? YEAH, LET ME SEE WHAT THIS NEXT SECTION IS.

SO THAT WAS THE SIGNAGE, UH, SCENARIO THAT WE, WE LOOKED AT KIND OF ALREADY WITH JUST, UH, GENERAL SITE SIGNAGE.

UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY INDICATING THE INTENT OF BUILDING SIGNAGE AS WELL.

AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS BASED ON MARRIOTT STANDARDS.

SO THE GENERAL PLACEMENT OF THEM IS THE INTENT, UM, SIZING, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS WHETHER IT'S COMPLIANT WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA WOULD APPROVE OR, UM, CONSISTENT WITH NORTH WINDS.

SOUNDS LIKE, WE'LL LET STAFF THEN LOOK AT THAT.

BRETT.

LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SIGNAGE HASN'T BEEN TRULY YEAH.

FINALIZED.

AND, AND I DO KNOW THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SEEING IS COMPLIANT WITH MARRIOTT STANDARDS.

AS FAR AS APPEARANCE, TEXTURE, TONE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF IS CONSISTENT.

I, YOU KNOW, SIZING, THEY WANT IT BIGGER, NOT SMALLER.

SO THAT'S ALWAYS A, A, A, UH, PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT WE GO THROUGH ON, UH, APPROVAL.

SIX YEARS AGO, THEY WANTED THAT TO BE GREEN.

YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT'S INTERESTING? THEY, THEY, UH, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY CAME BACK DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS AND SAID, NOPE, GET RID OF THAT .

'CAUSE THERE'S STANDARDS CHANGE OVER TIME TOO.

BUT YEAH, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY WAS IN AGREEMENT THAT NEEDED TO GO AWAY.

YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE GREEN SIGNS ON THE AC SEAS THOUGH EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

NOT MANY OF 'EM, BUT YOU'LL SEE SOME, I WANNA SAY THAT MAYBE AT THE ATLANTA AIRPORT, MAYBE.

CAN'T REMEMBER.

ANYWAY, UH, OKAY.

WALK US THROUGH THE, UH, EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS IF YOU WILL, PLEASE.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A SAMPLE BOARD ON THE EASEL AS WELL.

AND I'M HAPPY TO PASS THAT AROUND IF NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO DO THAT.

THAT'S FINE.

YOU CAN, I THINK IT'S GOOD ON THE EASEL.

WE CAN SIT.

MAYBE JUST MAKE SURE YOU REFER AS YOU, AS WE, AS WE LOOK AT EACH OF THE MATERIALS OR THE LOCATIONS JUST YES, SIR.

UM, THE, SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT Y'ALL HAVE RIGHT NOW.

UM, THIS IS JUST THE BASIC FIRST FLOOR FLOOR PLAN.

YOU KNOW, THAT MAY NOT INTEREST YOU AT THE MOMENT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.

UM, UPPER FLOORS, I'M GONNA GET TO THE ELEVATIONS HERE IN A SECOND.

SO THIS IS THE ELEVATION, OBVIOUSLY IN 2D AS YOU WOULD SEE IT FROM SUMMIT PLACE.

SO AS YOU'VE TURNED DOWN OFF OF HAYNES BRIDGE, LOOKING TO YOUR LEFT, THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE.

UM, THIS IS KIND OF SHOWING WHERE THOSE RETAINING WALLS ARE AND KIND OF HOW WE GOT SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS INTO PLAY WITH THAT RETAINING STRUCTURE, JUST TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A WINDOW WELL EFFECT THERE.

WHY DON'T YOU WALK US THROUGH, YEAH.

TAKE US THROUGH FROM MAYBE FROM GROUND UP THE, THE DIFFERENT MATERIALS.

IF YOU WILL PLEASE.

SO THIS IS THE DARKER BRICK OKAY.

THAT YOU WILL SEE ON THIS DISPLAY BOARD.

LOOKS LIKE WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS SLATE GRAY.

UM, AND THEN ABOVE THAT, UH, STARTING AT THE SECOND FLOOR UP, IS THAT LIGHT COLOR BRICK, UH, WHICH WE'RE SAYING IS THE PALMETTO WHITE STONE.

PRETTY MUCH, IT'S TONE ON TONE.

SO THAT'S THE, THE WHITE BRICK ON THE LEFT AND THE MORTAR IS GONNA BE

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I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A TONE ON TONE EFFECT.

AND THE BROWN.

SO ON THE, ON THE BRICK TOPIC ON, I MEAN ON THE MORTAR TOPIC, WE HAVE FOUR OPTIONS THERE THAT WE BROUGHT.

UH, I THINK SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT BRETT HAD SENT US THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF QUESTION ON THAT AS FAR AS TO, HEY, WE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE LIKE THE TONE ON TONE LOOK FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING PRESENTED.

AND IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, UH, THE, THE MORTAR COLOR FOR THE DARK BRICK WAS KIND OF THE, THE FOCUS THERE.

UM, SO WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS.

I CAN GO OVER THOSE NOW IF YOU WANT ME TO, AS FAR AS JUST OVERALL PREFERENCE, UM, ON OUR PART.

UH, FINE TO OPEN THAT UP NOW IF WANT TO, WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU JUST, LET'S, LET'S WALK THROUGH ALL THE MATERIALS IF WE WILL, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THE, THE GET DOWN TO THE MORNING COLOR.

YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

UM, SO THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, THESE ARE HOSPITAL, I'LL CALL 'EM HOSPITALITY WINDOWS, BUT IT'S STORED FOR METAL WINDOWS.

UM, THESE PANELS IN BETWEEN, ARE THIS A LUON, UH, OR METAL PANEL COMPOSITE PANELS? AND THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT BRANDS OF THAT, BUT BOTTOM LINE IS, IT'S A, IT'S A METAL PANEL AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER ON THE BOARD.

THAT YES, SIR.

AND THAT'S, AND THE INTENT THERE IS FOR THAT MOSTLY TO, TO BE A, I WON'T SAY A DEAD ON MATCH, BUT A PRETTY MUCH DEAD ON MATCH TO THE, TO THE, UH, WINDOW.

THE WINDOW METAL.

AND THEN THE, HOW ABOUT THE, UH, BETWEEN THE WINDOWS OR BETWEEN THE UNITS? THERE'S A VERTICAL, UM, FIN OR A VERTICAL MEMBER RIGHT HERE.

I GUESS YOU'RE, THAT'S THE, IS THAT THE RACEWAY? NO, THE RIVER RIVERWAY.

WE CAN SEE WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT HERE? IT'S .

IT'S OKAY.

SO THAT, OKAY.

IS IT SO YES TO THE LUC BOND.

METAL PANEL.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, JUST SCROLL UP ON YOUR, ON YOUR, UH, UP OR THE OTHER WAY.

I'M SORRY.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE MATERIALS THAT YOU LISTED THERE.

SO IT IS A LUKA BOND.

OH IT IS? YEAH.

IT'S TO MATCH THE RIVER WAY COLOR.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S SHOWING.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I THINK THAT WAS, THAT USED TO BE THAT GREEN.

YEAH, IT'S A, IT, IT'S A, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT WAS A BRIGHTER GREEN.

IT'S A TONE.

IT'S A TONED DOWN VERSION OF THAT.

YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BETTER COLOR.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S BEFORE CERTAINLY MORE MUTED AND, AND, UM, YEAH.

AND WHERE IT SAYS GLASS, THAT'S JUST CLEAR GLASS.

THERE IS SOME SPAN GLASS.

YEAH, I SAW THE SPANDREL, BUT THE, UM, BUT, BUT MOST OF IT IS, IS THIS YES, SIR.

LOOKS LIKE IT MAY EVEN TIN A LITTLE BIT, BUT SO YOU'RE, UH, IS THAT THE ACTUAL GLASS? THIS IS THE ACTUAL GLASS, YEAH.

SO THAT WRECK GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE, TO THE ROOF LINE.

SAME, SAME COLOR CONSISTENCY.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT IS SUBSTANTIVELY LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IN THIS ELEVATION VIEW, IN THIS MIDDLE ELEMENT.

EFIS CONTROL JOINTS DETAILING ALL THE WAY UP.

I'M GUESSING ON YOUR BOARD, THAT'S THE TOP LEFT.

ALRIGHT, SO THESE ARE ON THE, ON A DIFFERENT ELEVATION.

UH, I CAN, I'LL GET TO THAT MINUTE, A MINUTE ONE.

YEAH, YEAH.

WHILE, WHILE WE'RE ON THIS ELEVATION, ONE OF THE, THE, THE THINGS THAT WE, ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS WHO'S NOT SITTING WITH US AT THE MOMENT, UH, OFTEN BRINGS UP IS THE VENTS.

VENT.

AND IS THAT WHAT THOSE SMALL SQUARES ARE BETWEEN THE THEY ARE AND THE, THESE ARE INTENDED TO, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY PAINT AND BRICK MATERIALS CAN'T BE PERFECTLY MATCHED, BUT THE INTENT IS FOR THAT TO BE AS CLOSE OF A MATCH AS POSSIBLE.

COLOR MATCHED THEM TO THE BRICK.

IT THE DARKER GRAY BRICK, WHITE BRICK.

AND IF THERE'S AN ADJACENT MATERIAL, SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY IN THE, THE, I'LL CALL

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THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER LOCATIONS HERE AND THERE THAT HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT COLOR TO 'EM.

I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S VERY MANY OF MUCH OF THAT HONESTLY.

BUT IF IT WAS, THE INTENT WOULD BE TO MATCH THE MATERIAL THAT IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO.

AND THOSE ARE WHERE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHERE THE VTAX ARE.

THAT'S THE GRILL, THE OUTSIDE AIR INTAKE, THAT'S THE, UM, THAT'S CORRECT.

SUPPLY AIR COMES THROUGH.

ARE THEY ACCURATELY SIZED ON THIS DRAWING? I WOULD SAY YES.

WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.

I'M JUST, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY, IT'S A NECESSARY EVIL IS WHAT I CALL IT.

HOW DO WE MAKE IT DISAPPEAR OR HOW DO WE MAKE 'EM DISAPPEAR? THERE'S 165 OF 'EM, SO YEAH.

OR HOW DO YOU MAKE 'EM, UH, YOU KNOW, BLEND IN WITH THE ARCHITECTURE EVEN CORRECT.

DESIGN WISE OR WHATEVER IT IS.

UM, UM, IN THE RENDERING, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A CONTRAST ELEMENT, BUT, UM, CLEARLY WE WANTED TO PLAY THAT.

AND IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUSLY KIND OF HARD TO SHOW THAT ON THE, ON THE RENDERING, BUT, YOU KNOW, DO YOU OR DO YOU MAKE IT, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL OR DO YOU MAKE 'EM, UH, PUT 'EM TOGETHER, COMBINE 'EM TOGETHER SOMEHOW SO THAT THEY, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE BRICK OUT THAT'S BETWEEN 'EM AND MAKE IT ONE BIG, PUT 'EM TOGETHER PIECE OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A, I'LL MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S A ONE LOUVER UNIT RATHER THAN TWO INDIVIDUAL ONES OR SOMETHING.

WHAT, WHAT MAKES IT DISAPPEAR OR WHAT MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, LESS INTRUSIVE, LESS VISIBLE? YEAH.

ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S HOLD THAT THOUGHT.

KEEP WALKING US AROUND THE BUILDING.

YOU, YOU WANNA STAY ON THIS ELEVATION OR DO YOU WANT, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE'VE SEEN, AGAIN, YOU'VE COVERED ALL THE MATERIALS.

ON THE, WHERE THE KINK IS OR WHERE THAT HAPPENS.

IS THAT ALL BRICK TWO? IS THAT ALL THE WHITE YES SIR.

THE OYSTER OR WHATEVER THE NAME OF THAT BRICK IS? YEAH, THE WHITE PALM, UH, PALMETTO WHITE.

UM, I NOTICED, UM, I'M SORRY.

HOLD ON.

THAT ELEVATION ON THE VERY FAR LEFT HAND SIDE, WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE ONE GREEN FIN ALRIGHT, THAT'S IN THE BRICK AREA.

IT'S NOT IN THE, THE OTHER EL LUCA BOND OR STOREFRONT AREA.

SO IS THAT TRULY A PROTRUDING FIN? IT, IT IS.

UH, AND IT, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE, THE SHAPE AND FEEL OF IT RIGHT HERE, UM, IN THIS VIEW, OBVIOUSLY THE 2D KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CHANGES THAT I THINK THE 3D RENDERING WILL KIND OF HELP ON THAT REVIEW A LITTLE BIT.

WHICH I'M HAPPY TO GO TO NOW IF YOU WANT TO, OR WE CAN SEE IT AT THE END.

NO, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, UM, LET'S, THIS IS GET KIND GOOD.

DO YOU KNOW THE DIMENSIONS ON THE, I MEAN AS FAR AS HOW FAR DOES IT PRO PROTRUDE FROM THE BUILDING AND THE, AND THE, THE WIDTH OF THE FIN APPROXIMATELY? YOU REMEMBER ALL THING I, I DRAWING? OKAY.

AND IT'S, THE FIN IS NOT LIT UP? NO SIR.

IT'S NOT NO SIR WHITED OR ANYTHING? NO, SIR.

OR THE FINS.

I GUESS WHEREVER THEY ARE.

ALRIGHT, LET'S, LET'S TURN THE CORNER ONE OF THE CORNERS AND LOOK AT, OKAY, SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE VIEW THAT WOULD, YOU WOULD SEE AS KIND OF YOUR, UM, UH, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE WHERE YOU EXIT BASICALLY.

UM, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD TO, HARD TO ARTICULATE, BUT YEAH.

SO NOW WE'RE OPPOSITE HERE.

THIS BRIDGE.

BUT, BUT YOU'RE, THIS IS HELPFUL.

THERE, THERE'S YOUR ARROW THAT'S KIND OF SHOWING YOU THAT VIEW.

SO THIS IS WHEN YOU TURN IN, PARKING GARAGE IS OVER TO THE RIGHT.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY TO THE LEFT.

SO THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS PRIMARILY THE WHITE BRICK.

WHAT HAPPENS, UM, IN THE PORTIER AREA, THE SECOND FLOOR, WHAT HAP WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE AREA BACK THERE? THIS IS, UM, PATIO.

SO YOU'VE GOT THE, THE GLASS RAILING YES.

AND THIS HAS KIND OF GOT FANCINESS UP THERE.

YOU GOT DRINK RAIL AND YOU KNOW IT, THIS KIND OF DESIGNED TO BE ROOFTOP BAR WITHOUT BEING ROOFTOP BAR KIND OF VIBE.

AND THEN AGAIN, IN THE, THE WHITE BRICK AREAS, YOU'VE GOT THOSE FINS? YES, SIR.

THEY KIND OF WRAPPED DOWN BELOW.

IT'S KIND OF AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT THAT KIND OF COMES INTO THAT, THAT UH, ALRIGHT.

DOOR SPACE.

AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A SLIVER OF VERTICAL, THE DARKER BRICK THERE.

AND THEN YOU HEAD OVER THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

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IT'S THE LUC BOND PANELS.

AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY EPHI.

WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BRICK WATER TABLE DOWN HERE AT THE VERY BOTTOM.

BUT, BUT THAT IS THE, UH, THIS, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE STAIRWELL, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS AN EFIS FACE.

NOW LOOKING AT YOUR, THE PRESENTATION FROM LAST TIME IN THE STAIR TOWER, YOU HAD WINDOWS.

WE DID.

WHY, WHY WERE THOSE REMOVED? BECAUSE IT DID, IT DID BREAK UP THE MASS OF THE STAIR TOWER.

IT IT DID, YEAH.

THERE WAS A, THERE WAS KIND OF SEVERAL FACTORS, BUT KIND OF, IT, IT ALMOST BOILED DOWN TO DID WE REALLY WANT TO BE STARING UPSTAIRS WAS ANOTHER, WAS KIND OF A PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE.

IT JUST, IT WASN'T AN OVER OVERWHELMING, UH, ELEMENT FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE.

IT'S HARD TO MAKE STAIRS LOOK GREAT THROUGH ALL THAT CLASS.

I MEAN, THIS, IT JUST IS, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE JUST GONNA SEE STAIRS, .

SO THIS FELT LIKE A LITTLE BIT CLEANER KIND OF, UH, CLASSIER MAY NOT BE THE, THE BEST WORD, BUT THE, IT JUST FELT A LITTLE BIT CLEANER.

LET'S TURN THE NEXT CORNER.

ONE FOOT, TWO INCHES.

THEY PROJECT OUT ONE FOOT TWO.

ALRIGHT, LET'S, ANYTHING ELSE HERE OR YOU WANT TO MOVE ON? THINK WE, OKAY.

SO AGAIN, RED ARROW THAT'S LOOKING FROM THE, FROM THE NORTH SOUTH IN THE PARKING LOT.

HERE'S WHERE THOSE OTHER COMPOSITE METAL PANELS COME INTO PLAY THAT ARE ON THE BOARD.

THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THAT'S WHERE THE MURAL WAS.

SIX YEARS AGO.

UM, SO THE, THE, THAT'S THE OYSTER IN THE BEIGE IN KIND OF A, A MIXED PATTERN OF, OF, UH, SHAPES AND SIZES.

AGAIN, JUST THE, THE, THE FIRST TWO FLOORS.

THE BASE OR THE A DARKER BRICK.

AND THEN THE LIGHTER BRICK UP.

THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EFIS ON THIS TOWER.

AND I ASSUME SOME OF THE BACK OF HOUSE ITEMS ARE HERE TOO, WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR LAUNDRY AREA, YOUR, THIS IS OUR FREIGHT ELEVATOR LOCATION AND ACCESS.

SO THE LAUNDRY, ALL, ALL OF THIS REALLY IS BACK OF HOUSE FRANKLY.

UM, THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT THAT'S UP IN HERE 'CAUSE THE ELEVATOR'S ACTUALLY, UH, KIND OF BEHIND THIS ELEMENT.

SO THIS IS, THESE, THESE ELEMENTS ARE GUEST FACING AREAS.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS KIND OF BLANK WALL IS BACK A HOUSE RELATED ITEM.

SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THIS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE, IS THE LAUNDRY.

UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT MECHANICAL ACCESS AREAS, ELECTRICAL ROOM, AND ALL THAT OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE.

LET'S TURN THE CORNER AND LOOK AT THE HAYNES BRIDGE SIDE.

THIS ACTUALLY, FRANKLY DOES A DECENT JOB OF SHOWING KIND OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WALL THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A RUBBED OR WALL YOU EVER ARCHITECTURAL CONCRETE.

IT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL CONCRETE.

I MEAN THERE, THE INTENT IS FOR THAT TO BE A REALLY REFINED ARCHITECTURAL CONCRETE ELEMENT THAT'S KIND OF SHOWING THE FIN, OBVIOUSLY IN A WAY THAT YOU CAN MAYBE, MAYBE GET A FEEL FOR HOW FAR IT EXTENDS OUT THE BUILDING.

SAME BRICK THAT WE LOOKED AT BEFORE, THE DARK BRICK PALMETTO WHITE.

UM, A ROOFTOP SWIMMING POOL.

? NO, NO SWIMMING POOL.

NO SWIMMING POOL.

BUT SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THEIR, THEIR STORY IS REALLY TRYING TO CREATE AN, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF AN URBAN VIBE.

NO ONE, YOU KNOW, THEY SEE BRAND, ONE THING THAT THEY REALLY LIKED ABOUT THIS LOCATION, BUT ONE THING THAT THEY DO FOCUS ON IS THEY WANT TO BE IN A MORE URBAN SETTING.

AND SO NORTH WINDS KIND OF HAS THAT ELEMENT GOING FOR IT.

NORTH WINDS WANTS THIS FOR THAT SAME REASON.

'CAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THAT KIND OF CUSTOMER IS LOOKING AT THAT EXPERIENCE.

SO, UM,

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SO GET OUT, GO ON THE SIDEWALK, GO WALK SOMEWHERE, KIND OF, KIND OF DEAL.

AND, AND WHILE WE'RE ON, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE BOARD FEELS.

I CONTINUE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT CONCRETE WALL FACING HAYES BRIDGE.

I, I MEAN, KNOW IT'S GONNA BE LANDSCAPED, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE USUALLY TRY TO ASSUME THAT AT SOME POINT A LANDSCAPE MAY NOT BE WHAT IT IS.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

ALWAYS.

AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT.

SO IN YOUR MIND IS, IS UH, NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MIND NECESSARILY, BUT ARE YOU LIKE, HEY, I WOULD RATHER SEE BRICK, LIKE A BRICK VENEER OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH.

BRICK FACING OR SOMETHING TO OTHER THAN JUST CONCRETE THAT WOULD ENSURE, IT WOULD ENSURE REGARDLESS OF THE LANDSCAPE LONGEVITY LOOK.

AND JUST, JUST, JUST THIS, UH, THE DARK COLOR BRICK TO HELP THE KIND GO AWAY.

JUST DO A, A BRICK VENEER ON IT.

THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO FINISH IT SO NICELY .

THEN YOU JUST POUR IT AND PUT THE VENEER ON IT.

SO.

UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THE ELEVATIONS TO, OH, WELL LET'S TALK ABOUT, ALRIGHT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DARKER, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BRICK AND THE MORTAR COLORS.

YEAH, HAPPY TO.

SO, SO FOR THE, THE LIGHTER BRICK, YOU'RE PROPOSING A LIGHTER MORTAR COLOR, WHICH IS ON YOUR SAMPLE BOARD THERE.

AND I'M JUST COMING BACK HERE, SO, SO Y'ALL NO, THAT'S FINE.

YEAH, YOU'RE DOING WELL.

UH, THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, AND, AND IT'S INTENTIONAL.

THERE, THERE WAS, THERE'S AN, AN ATTEMPT TO, TO BE A LITTLE BIT LESS STARK MORTAR TO, TO BRICK, UH, APPEARANCE.

I THINK THAT, I THINK IT, UH, COMPLIMENTS, I THINK THE WHITE MORTAR, THE WHITE EAST COLORED MORTAR AND THE WHITE BRICK COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER.

SO I, I DON'T MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

I THINK OUR CHALLENGE IS LOOKING AT THE DARKER COLOR BRICK, IT'S A MUCH MORE SMOOTHER BRICK.

SO YOU DON'T GET THAT, UM, YOU LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS TEXTURE WITH THAT BRICK.

YES, YES YOU DO.

AND YOU HAVE A DARKER COLOR MORTAR THAN IT ALL SEEMS TO JUST KIND OF BLEND IN AND LOOK MONOTONE.

SO THERE IS AN INTENT TO BE ERRORING ON THAT SIDE FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE.

UM, WE'VE SHOWN OTHER OPTIONS HERE BECAUSE WE DID GET THAT FEEDBACK BEFOREHAND.

UM, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL THAT WE WERE GOING FOR IS THE ONE THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT HERE, RIGHT ABOVE, UM, IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE.

THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT PREFERENCE.

IT GIVES SOME CONTRAST, BUT KIND OF KEEPS A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, A LITTLE BIT LESS LIKE, WHOA, I'M SEEING A, A STARK LINE THERE.

UM, AND THEN IT WOULD KIND OF GO HERE AND THEN HERE AS FAR AS THE ORDER OF WHAT WE WOULD CALL PREFERENCE.

UM, BUT ANY OF THESE ARE, ARE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PART OF THE CONCERN WAS YOU HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE BROWN IFUS AND THEN YOU HAVE BROWN BRICK IN IT.

UNLESS THERE'S SOME DEF DEFINITION WITH THE MORTAR COLOR FROM A DISTANCE, IT MAY JUST LOOK LIKE A LOT OF YEAH.

BROWN, YOU MIGHT, I UH, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT DESIGN IS, IS IN KEEPING WITH THE, THAT BRAND A LITTLE BIT.

AND SO THERE, THERE SOMETIMES IS A LITTLE BIT OF TENSION ON LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED, YEAH, I GET THAT.

WE NEED SOME, SOME GIVE AND TAKE THERE.

IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE IN OUR, IN OUR PACKAGE YOU SHOWED, UM, OR WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO US, YOU SHOWED YOU HAD THE DARKER BRICK WITH LIGHT MORTAR COLOR, ONE OF THE, UM, THERE YOU GO.

BINGO.

AND THAT REALLY HELPS, I FEEL LIKE THAT HELPS POP THE BRICK, UM, WITH THE LIGHTER VERSUS WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS, OF THIS PHOTO WHERE THE, THAT YOU'VE GOT THE DARKER MORTAR, UH, SAMPLE THERE IN THE, IN THE BRICK SAMPLE.

SO, AND SEE THIS IS PARTLY WHY KEITH IS MY FORMER ARCHITECT BECAUSE HE JUST DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB OF PUTTING THIS ON THAT BOARD.

SO JUST TO, JUST TO REMIND US.

SO THAT WAS YOUR FIRST PREFERENCE, THAT'S YOUR, THAT THAT WOULD BE, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SELECTION.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SELECT LOWER LOWER LEFT.

YEAH, LOWER LEFT.

THAT'S WHAT HE'S POINTING TO.

OH NO, YOU'RE POINTING.

WHICH ONE ARE YOU POINTING TO LOWER OR THE LOWER? THE LOWER LEFT.

YEAH, THE LOWER, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL.

AND THAT, THAT'S THE ONE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M INCORRECT, KEITH, BUT THAT WOULD BE THIS ONE THAT YOU WERE SHOWING, CORRECT? YEAH.

1, 2, 3, 4.

THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.

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THEY'RE NOT IN ORDER.

SO WHICH ONE IS 1, 2, 3? OH MY GOSH.

I LIKE THE LIGHTER.

I, I LIKE THE LIGHTEST ONE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS TOP LEFT.

WHICH IS THREE.

CAN I SEE? YEAH.

THREE WE'LL BRING IT BACK OR EVEN LIGHTER THAN THAT.

IT JUST HELPS THE BRICK.

HELPS THE BRICK.

I MEAN YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS FROM, WE'RE NOT GONNA LOOK AT IT THIS CLOSE.

WE'RE GONNA LOOK, GONNA LOOK AT IT FROM A, THE STORES TO THIS STAND.

NO, YOU GOTTA, CAN YOU GO STAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ? WHICH ONE? LIKE, THIS IS THE LIGHTER ONE BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST CONTRAST I THINK.

I'M TRYING TO GET THE MOST CONTRAST TO THAT BRICK.

I THINK THAT ONE CLASHES OUS JUST TRYING TO GET IT NOT TO FEEL SO MONOTONE.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.

YEAH, YEAH.

HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT? 'CAUSE YOU WILL GET THAT FEEL FOR THE, WITH THE, UH, THE STUCCO OR THE ICUS MATERIAL YOU HAVE, YOU WILL, YOU WILL MASS ON OF, OF RIGHT NOW WE'RE SAYING TOP LEFT.

IS THAT WHAT I HEAR? OR EVEN OR EVEN LIGHTER .

SO I'LL SAY FROM THE, FROM THE ARCHITECTS, UM, AND IF YOU WANT COME UP, BUT I TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING, HIS VIEW OF SORT OF THE TO OF BROWN WAS THAT THE WHITE WAS MUCH MORE INTERESTING AND THAT THE BROWN SORT OF JUST BLENDED AWAY THAT YOU, YOU FOCUS ON MORE INTERESTING PIECES OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING.

IS THAT YEAH, I, WE, WE WANTED IT TO BLEND JUST LIKE THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.

SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.

WE WANTED IT TO BLEND JUST LIKE THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.

UM, I, I, I HEARD WHAT ONE OF YOU GUYS SAID ABOUT THE URBANE BRONZE AND THE BROWN LOOKING LIKE IT WOULD BE MONOLITHIC, BUT I I REALLY THINK THE URBANE BROWN BRONZE IS A LOT DARKER THAN THE BROWN.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA REALLY LOOK LIKE IT'S ALL CONTIGUOUS COLOR.

SO, SO A THOUGHT BECAUSE I HEARD MR. KRAMER WHAT YOU SAID, YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT IT LOOKED MONOLITHIC ON THE, ON THE GRAY BROWN.

SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE'VE GOT THE FOUR MORTAR COLORS, LET'S PICK THE MORTAR COLOR YOU WANT.

IF THAT BRICK STAYS EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS NOW THAT BRICK IS A SMOOTH TEXTURED BRICK, RIGHT? YES.

I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT WE CAN DO IT, BUT WE MAY CAN GET THE, THE GRAYISH BROWN BRICK IN A VALORE, WHICH WOULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF TEXTURE TO THE BRICK.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS PICK THE MORTAR COLOR IF, IF YOU, IF I CAN'T CHANGE THE BRICK, BUT IF THE TEXTURE OF THE BRICK, WHICH WOULD COMMENT THAT YOU MADE MR. KRAMER, IF WE COULD GET IN A, IN A VALORE, IT WOULD SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

WE ACTUALLY LIKE THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, PALLET THE BEST.

WE THINK THAT IT LOOKS THE BEST ON THE BUILDING, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO SAY, OKAY, IF YOU LIKE A, A LIGHTER MORTAR 'CAUSE OF CONTRAST, WE COULD DO THAT AND LET'S PICK IT.

AND THEN IF WE CAN GET THE VALORE, WE STAY WITH THE ORIGINAL.

THAT'S JUST AN APPROACH THAT I THINK WOULD WORK FOR US.

UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS HOW ARE YOU RAKING THE JOINTS, THE MORTAR JOINTS? ARE YOU, ARE THEY, IS IT A FLUSH JOINT OR WILL IT BE A RAKE TO JOINT TOOL? TOOLED CON, TOOLED CON CONTOUR JOINT TOOL.

SO YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF SOME OF THAT, YOU GET THAT, YOU GET THE SHADE, THE SHADOWS AND A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT'S WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S A TOOL JOINT, IT'S GONNA BE BACK AND SHOW ANYWAY.

AND SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE PUT IN MORTAR, EVEN IF WE WENT WITH THE SAME MONOTONE, IT'S GONNA SHOW A CONTRAST.

I MEAN, PERSONALLY, AND I KNOW WE ALREADY HAD THE PALLET THERE, I THINK THE BEST IS WHAT WE HAVE.

BUT IF IT'S LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE WE DON'T LIKE IT, WHICH WE'RE FINE WITH THAT, THEN THOSE WERE THE TWO THINGS I WOULD SUGGEST.

SOUNDS REASONABLE TO ME.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, AT THE LIGHT BRICK, THE WHITE BRICK, YOU SEE THE PITS AND TEXTURING IN THERE.

AND UM, SO ARE Y'ALL, UM, OF COURSE I'M ONLY, I'M ONE OF SIX I BELIEVE SO OR ONE OF FIVE, I'M SORRY, ONE OF FIVE.

AND I'M NOT EVEN MOVING NECESSARILY FOR THAT.

I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE GOING WITH.

I, I THINK AS A IN GENERAL, I, I THINK THE, THE BOARD HAS, HAS IN THE PAST GONE ON ON ALMOST ALL PROJECTS TO A, A BRICK THAT HAS MORE MOVEMENT TO THE BRICK ITSELF.

TEXTURE, TEXTURE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIELD TO IT.

SO I THINK IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, I THINK THAT COULD, I'M, I'M OKAY.

I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT WE CAN GET THAT GRAY RAY BROWN IN A VELO.

BRETT, IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON WHEN I SAY VELO? WHAT? I MEAN, WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN THAT JUST OKAY.

MAKE SURE THAT

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SO THAT'S A VELO TEXTURE WHERE AS YOU SEE THIS IS A SMOOTH, SO EFFECTIVELY WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS WE PICK UP THE VELO IN THIS BRICK SO THAT BOTH BRICKS WOULD BE VELO AND THAT WOULD CREATE SOME OF THAT CONTRAST WE WERE ORIGINALLY SPEAKING TO.

THAT DOES HELP.

BUT IF WE CAN'T GET IT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY ON THE ORIGINAL, UM, DRB WE WENT THROUGH THE BRICK THAT WE HAD THERE WAS DISCONTINUED, YOU KNOW, AFTER COVID, EVERYTHING IN THE WHOLE WORLD GOT, WELL, WE'RE ONLY GONNA MAKE FIVE ITEMS MM-HMM .

AND SO THE WHOLE THING SHRUNK.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT OTHER BRICK IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE.

AND SO, BUT WE COULD, I THINK, GET THIS IN A VALORE THAT'S SIMILAR TO THIS.

MAKES SENSE.

SO GO AHEAD.

SO THIS, THE BRICK THAT YOU SEE THAT, UM, THAT I JUST EMAILED, UH, TO BRETT THAT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT TEXTURE TO IT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, A LITTLE MORE CHARACTER.

I CALL IT CHARACTER TO IT.

SO, AND, AND IT, IT KIND OF HAS, IT'S, THIS IS A STRETCH TO SAY IT EXACTLY THIS WAY, IT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THIS LITTLE YES.

FLAKE AND STUFF IN HERE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

UM, AND A LITTLE BIT LESS OF OF THAT.

UM, BUT UH, DID SHE HAVE THAT? SHE HAS IT.

UM, THE ONLY THING ABOUT THAT OTHER ONE IS IT'S LIGHTER THAN THIS.

SO IT, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH CONTRAST.

AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THIS BECAUSE IT, IT'S, THERE'S MORE OF A CONTRAST HERE.

THE OTHER ONE'S A LITTLE LIGHTER.

UM, I HAVE ONE OF, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE GONNA BE HERE, BUT I HAVE SOME, ONE OF MY PEOPLE COMING OVER WITH MORTAR SAMPLES THAN , SO.

I THINK WE'RE JUST, JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.

TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT.

SO YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS, THIS BRICK THAT'S ON OUR OR MONITORS NOW IS A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER, OBVIOUSLY THEN WHAT YOUR SAMPLE IS IT, IT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE LIGHTER AND HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE CHARACTER ELEMENT THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO.

THE THE PUSH FOR THIS AND YOU KNOW, I I, AS YOU CAN TELL, WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, BUT UM, THE, THE DARKNESS OF THIS ONE WAS HARD TO FIND IN, IN THAT OTHER VERSION AND I'LL CALL IT.

AND SO THIS IS WHY THIS IS SPLIT THIS WAY.

I MEAN, FOR, FOR ME, THIS IS FINE TUNING, RIGHT? THIS IS RIGHT.

I MEAN, I, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A MAJOR POINT FOR ME.

I, I, I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD SAY, LOOK, WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR EITHER THE TEXTURED BRICK, THE VELO TEXTURED BRICK WITH THE ORIGINAL MURDER OR THE, OR A LIGHTER MORTAR COLOR AND JUST LEAVE FINAL APPROVAL TO STAFF WHEN YOU CAN SEE SAMPLES.

AND I, I THINK EVEN IF , I THINK, WAIT, I HAVE AN IDEA.

I SEE THE BUS GONNA GRAB ALWAYS SPEEDING.

LET'S LEAVE IT TO HER.

OH, APPROVAL BY MS PO LIKE THAT WE CAN BLAME.

SO, I'M SORRY, I, I THINK I'VE TAKEN THIS DOWN A RABBIT HOLE HERE.

WELL, AGAIN, I'M SAYING IT'S A FINE TUNING POINT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MAJOR CHANGES HERE.

IT'S A YEAH, WE GET IT OUT ON SITE AND NOBODY MAY LIKE IT.

I MEAN, Y'ALL KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GET SOME BRICKS OUT ON SITE.

WE LOOK AT THAT, THAT REALLY DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA RIGHT.

SO I MEAN, I MEAN SINCE WE CAN'T ACTUALLY SEE IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO DO IT.

RIGHT? YEAH.

SO WHAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD DO THAT IF WE GO THAT DIRECTION, WE'D HAVE THESE FOUR SAMPLES.

WE JUST PULL ONE OF 'EM OFF THAT YOU LIKE BETTER ON THE LIGHTER AND PUT THAT ON THE RECORD AND SAY HERE'S THE COLOR IF YOU WANTED THE LIGHTER ONE AND THE TEXTURE ISSUE CAN IS JUST REALLY WHAT VERBALLY EXPRESSED WITHIN, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE MOTION.

AND IT'LL BE, IT COULD BE RESOLVED THAT WAY.

AND THAT'S NUMBER, THAT LIGHTER COLOR MORTAR IS NUMBER ONE WE'RE CALLING IT.

IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT THE RIGHT ONE? TOP LEFT.

TOP LEFT IS NUMBER ONE.

THIS IS THE ONE .

THAT'S, IS THAT, ARE WE LABELING THAT AS NUMBER ONE? OR WHATEVER? TOP LEFT.

OH, THERE WE GO.

SO THAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE.

THIS ONE? THIS IS OUR PREFERENCE.

PUT THAT ONE RIGHT DOWN.

BREAK.

I'M OKAY WITH THIS.

THAT'S WHY WE, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, TAKE THE OTHER TWO OFF.

TAKE, TAKE THE ONES ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

TAKE THOSE TWO OFF IF YOU CAN AND JUST PUT THE, PUT THE TWO.

ALRIGHT, SO HERE I'M GONNA GIVE YOU, IT'S, IT'S MAGNOLIA MASON'S, UM, MEN.

WHAT'S IT, WHAT'S IT, WHAT WAS IT CALLED? MAGNOLIA MASON OR SOMETHING? YES.

MAGNOLIA MASON'S.

MAGNOLIA.

MAGNOLIA MASON'S MEN.

ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S OF COURSE.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM 10 FEET AWAY AND IT'S REALLY GONNA BE 50 OR A HUNDRED FEET.

AND I YEAH, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT SHOE .

I DON'T, OKAY.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE COLOR RIGHT.

ONE ON THE RIGHT I THINK IS THE NAME.

I MEAN YOU CAN, AGAIN, YOU'RE, I MEAN WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE BRICK, AT ONE SLIVER OF MORTAR.

SO I, SORRY, I TOOK US DOWN.

I THIS IS, THIS IS MANUFACTURER.

WHAT'S THAT? YOU

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SAY YOU DON'T.

UM, ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS, REVIEW THIS MORNING ON THIS APPLICATION? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SITE PLAN, WE TALKED ABOUT LANDSCAPING.

WE KIND OF TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SIGNAGE.

WE TALKED ABOUT EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS.

SITE LIGHTING.

SITE LIGHTING, UH, UH, AND SIGN AND SIGNAGE.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WELL, BRETT'S PERFECTLY OKAY WITH THE SIGNAGE, RIGHT? SO WE'LL DEFER SIGNAGE TO STAFF, RIGHT? YEP.

WILL THEY JUST BE DOING THAT CONCRETE WALL IN THE, THE DART BRICK? IS THAT WHAT BRICK WAS DECIDED? BRICK? YEAH.

YEAH, THAT WAS, I MEAN IT WAS, YEAH.

AND MAKE SURE SOMEHOW IF WE CAN MAKE THOSE V-TACH GRILLS GO AWAY.

I KNOW IT'D SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

BUT COLOR MATCHED.

YEAH, COLOR MATCHED THAT, THAT LIGHTER BRICK AS YOU KNOW, AS BEST YOU CAN DO, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT HATCHING IS ON THAT LANDSCAPE.

THE HATCHING THAT WE COULD FI THAT WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS.

WAS IT THE SIDE OR WAS IT KNOW? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.

NOW THAT THE, NOW THAT THAT WALL IS GONNA BE BRICK VENEER, I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THAT HATCHING IS.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S GRASS OR A LOW GROUND COVER.

I'M GONNA TELL PAT YOU SAID THAT , I NEED TO FIND OUT ANYWAY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU'S.

WHY, THAT'S WHY HE'S A LANDSCAPER.

IF YOU'RE NOT HERE, YOU DON'T GET THE COMMENT.

UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.

NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME MOTIONS TO CRAFT.

SO LET, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU ALL, ARE YOU, SO IF WE, CAN WE COMBINE THINGS IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS? YEAH.

JUST CONFUSING.

WELL, AS THERE'S NO COMMENTS.

YOU'RE YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT, RIGHT? PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT? LET ALL RIGHT, WE'LL LET HOLLY DO THIS.

THIS COULD BE THE, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO COMMENTS ON SITE PLAN LANDSCAPING.

YOU'VE LOST ME A LONG TIME AGO, RIGHT? ALRIGHT, SOMEBODY.

THE CHAIRMAN REGARDING DRB 2 6 0 0 0 7 AC HOTEL NORTH WINDS.

MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPING AND SITE LIGHTING AS SUBMITTED.

ALI, YOU WANT TO GO AT SECOND ON A HIGH NOTE? YEP.

MOTION BY MR. SWING.

A SECOND BY MS. PALMER.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR THERE BEING NONE I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

MOTION PASSES.

FIVE ZERO.

SO WE GOT THE SITE PLAN, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, AND THE SITE LIGHTING.

DONE.

ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MOTION REGARDING SAME.

APPLICANT TO DEFER SIGNAGE APPROVAL TO STAFF IN THE MOTION.

SECOND.

A MOTION BY MR. SWING.

A SECOND BY MS. PALMER.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE BEING NONE.

I'LL ALL FOR A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

MAY AS WELL FINISH UP.

HUH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UH, MOTION REGARDING SAME APPLICANT TO APPROVE ELEVATION AND MATERIALS AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UH, APPLICANT WILL APPLY A BRICK VENEER ON THE RETAINING WALL THAT FACES HA HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD USING THE SAME DARK BRICK THAT'S ON THE BUILDING.

UH, SECOND CONDITION, UH, THE DARK BRICK, UH, WILL EITHER BE IN THE VALOR TEXTURE AND IN THAT CASE COULD USE THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED MORTAR COLOR.

UM, IF UNABLE TO GET THE DARK BRAND IN THE VALOR TEXTURE, APPLICANT WILL USE THE LIGHTER MORTAR COLOR SHOWN THAT WAS CALLED THE MAGNOLIA MASON'S MIX INTO MOTION.

SECOND.

A MOTION BY MR. SWING AND SECOND BY MS. PALMER.

IS IT CALLED MIX OR MINT? MIX.

MIX.

YEAH, ONLY THING I NEGLECTED TO INCLUDE.

I, I HAD MEANT TO INCLUDE THE FINAL APPROVAL ON THAT BRICK MORTAR COMBINATION BY STAFF.

I ASSUME YOU GUYS WILL PROBABLY HAVE A SAMPLE WALL PANEL.

THERE WILL BE YOU OR HALF THE CONTRACTOR DID.

UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE? BE NOT A CALL FOR A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

MOTION PASSES.

FIVE ZERO.

APPRECIATE IT.

GOOD TO SEE YOU IN PERSON THIS TIME.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

NOT VIRTUALLY.

MAY I COMMENT ON SOMETHING? CERTAINLY.

UH, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN DOING WHAT I DO IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS FOR ALMOST LITERALLY IT'S 49 YEARS NOW.

AND I NEED TO COMPLIMENT Y'ALL BECAUSE I SAT HERE IN THE MEETING AND THE ONLY WAY CITIES ARE SPECIAL IS PEOPLE TAKE TIME TO MAKE 'EM SPECIAL.

Y'ALL JUST DID, I MEAN, WOULD SIT HERE AND DEAL WITH SMALL DETAILS ON SIGNS, BUT THOSE DETAILS MATTER.

LITERALLY.

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THEY DO.

AND MOST PEOPLE IN A LOT OF GROUPS GET WORN DOWN ABOUT A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE SAY, WELL, CLIN YOUR PERFECTIONIST.

I SAY, WELL MAYBE IF I, IF I STRIVE FOR PERFECTION, I'LL GET EXCELLENCE.

AND Y'ALL ARE DOING AN AWESOME JOB.

SERIOUSLY.

I MEAN, LAST NIGHT I, WE GOT IN LATE AND SO I WENT RUNNING IN THE COMMUNITY AT 12 AND RAN ALL OVER.

AND SO I'LL TELL YOU, IT'S AWESOME.

I MEAN, Y'ALL ARE DOING A REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB AND THANKS FOR BEING SO PASSIONATE ABOUT EXECUTING.

'CAUSE THE ONLY WAY YOU MAKE A PLACE SPECIAL IS TO MAKE IT SPECIAL.

AND Y'ALL ARE DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THAT.

AND I'M SURE YOU GET MIXED REVIEWS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO STICK TO ISSUES WITH DIFFICULTY.

BUT Y'ALL, YOU'RE DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A DEVELOPMENT IN ALPHARETTA.

GOOD.

SO THANK YOU.