May 04, 2026 City Council

CONGRATULATIONS EVERYONE.

WELL, I THINK COA SUMMED IT UP PRETTY WELL, BUT AGAIN, I'M A SENIOR, SO I'M GRADUATING.

SO REALLY FOR THE LAST CHANCE TO GET TO LEAVE MY MARK ON THIS PROGRAM AND FOR ALL OUR SENIORS TO GET TO LEAVE OUR MARK AND OUR FOUR YEARS OF HARD WORK AND DEDICATION, IT WAS TRULY THE BEST RESULT WE COULD HAVE HOPED FOR.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU GUYS, EVERYONE, FOR HAVING SUCH A GREAT SEASON AND SUCH A GREAT TEAM TO BE A PART OF.

AND BEHIND EVERY GREAT BAND PROGRAM, THERE ARE GREAT PARENTS.

AND, UH, WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT THE ARMY OF PARENTS THAT ARE ALWAYS THERE TO SUPPORT US.

I THINK SOME OF US KNOW MORE THAN OTHERS HOW MUCH IT IS, UH, UH, IMPORTANT FOR PARENTS TO REALLY BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ACTIVITY AND HOW MUCH THE STUDENTS CAN GAIN FROM IT.

AND WE WANT TO JUST THANK OUR PARENTS AND OUR SUPPORTERS FOR IT AND OUR ADMINISTRATION AT ALPHARETTA HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY ARE PHENOMENALLY SUPPORTIVE OF OUR GROUP.

THANK YOU ALL.

SO IN RECOGNITION OF Y'ALL'S EXCELLENCE, I'VE GOT A PROCLAMATION AND BECAUSE I'M OLD, I HAVE TO HAVE READERS TO READ THESE FONT.

SO THIS IS A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, GEORGIA, RECOGNIZING THE ALPHARETTA HIGH SCHOOL INDOOR PERCUSSION ENSEMBLE FOR WINNING THE 2026 WINTER GUARD INTERNATIONAL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

WHEREAS THE ALPHARETTA HIGH SCHOOL INDOOR PERCUSSION ENSEMBLE MADE UP OF 36 DEDICATED STUDENT MUSICIANS INVESTED COUNTLESS HOURS IN REHEARSALS AND PERFORMANCES THROUGHOUT THE 2026 SEASON, CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATING COMMITMENT, TALENT, AND PRIDE IN REPRESENTING THEIR SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY.

AND WHEREAS IN THEIR FIRST EVER APPEARANCE AT THE WINTER GUARD INTERNATIONAL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP IN DAYTON, OHIO, THE ENSEMBLE DELIVERED AN EXCEPTIONAL PRELIMINARY PERFORMANCE FINISHING WITH THE HIGHEST SCORE OF THE DAY AND ESTABLISHING A STRONG LEAD OVER THE NATIONAL FIELD.

AND WHEREAS THE ENSEMBLE CONTINUED TO EXCEL THROUGH SEMIFINALS AND FINALS, ULTIMATELY EARNING A FINAL SCORE OF 97.8 5 0, 1 OF THE HIGHEST IN CLASS HISTORY IN SECURING FIRST PLACE IN THE TITLE OF 2026 WGI SCHOLASTIC A WORLD CHAMPIONS MARKING A HISTORIC ACHIEVEMENT WITH THE ALPHARETTA HIGH SCHOOL AND STATE OF GEORGIA.

AND WHEREAS THIS OUTSTANDING ACCOMPLISHMENT REFLECTS THE DEDICATION OF THE STUDENTS, THE LEADERSHIP OF THEIR INSTRUCTIONAL STAFF AND DESIGNERS, AND THE SUPPORT OF THE ALPHARETTA BAND BOOSTERS, THE ALPHARETTA HIGH SCHOOL COMMUNITY AND SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION, ALL OF WHOM CONTRIBUTED TO THE ENSEMBLE'S SUCCESS.

BLESS YOU.

NOW, THEREFORE, WE THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA PROUDLY RECOGNIZING COMMEND THE ALPHARETTA HIGH SCHOOL INDOOR PERCUSSION ENSEMBLE FOR THEIR REMARKABLE NATIONAL DEBUT AND WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP TITLE, AND FOR REPRESENTING THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA WITH EXCELLENT AND INTEGRITY.

SO PROCLAIM THIS FOURTH DAY OF MAY, 2026 BY THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, GEORGIA.

CONGRATULATIONS.

SO WE NEED A GROUP PICTURE.

COME ON DOWN.

PARENTS, DON'T BE SHY.

WE SOUND LIKE YOU LIKE EACH OTHER.

[B. Proclamation: Public Works Week 2026]

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NOW, IF CHRIS RANDALL WOULD COME FORWARD, I BELIEVE I SAW HER UP.

PETE.

PETE, WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER PROCLAMATION, SOME OUTSTANDING WORK FROM THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA EMPLOYEES IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

SO PETE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? YES.

UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, I JUST WANT ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, THANK EVERYBODY FOR EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE FOR US, UM, FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL WITH THE FUNDING, UM, FOR THE CITIZENS, FOR ALL THE GREAT COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY DURING THE STORM EVENTS, IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST TAXING CHALLENGE THAT WE DEAL WITH.

WE HAVE EVERYONE ELSE STAYING HOME, PLAYING IN THE SNOW WITH THEIR KIDS AND OUR, UM, COWORKERS COMING IN TO HELP OUT CLEAR THE ROADS AND DO IT SAFELY.

AND, UM, THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU PETE.

SO I'LL READ THIS PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA.

THIS IS PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, GEORGIA.

PUBLIC WORKS WEEK IS MAY 17TH THROUGH 23RD, 2026.

WHEREAS PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS FOCUS ON INFRASTRUCTURE, FACILITIES AND SERVICES THAT ARE VITAL IMPORTANCE TO SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT COMMUNITIES, AND ALSO TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE AND WELLBEING OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA.

AND WHEREAS THESE INFRASTRUCTURES, FACILITIES AND SERVICES COULD NOT BE PROVIDED WITHOUT THE DEDICATED EFFORTS OF PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE ENGINEERS, MANAGERS, AND EMPLOYEES AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND RESPONSIBLE FOR REBUILDING, IMPROVING AND PROTECTING OUR NATION'S TRANSPORTATION, OUR WATER SUPPLY, WATER TREATMENT, SOLID WASTE SYSTEMS, PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND OTHER STRUCTURES AND FACILITIES THAT ARE ESSENTIAL FOR CITIZENS.

AND WHEREAS IT IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST FOR OUR RESIDENTS, BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS AND VISITORS TO THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE OF AND TO MAINTAIN ONGOING INTEREST AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF PUBLIC WORKS AND PUBLIC WORKS PROGRAMS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES.

AND WHEREAS THIS YEAR'S PUBLIC WORK SUITE WITH THE THEME ROOTED IN SERVICE POWERED BY COMMUNITY MARKS THE 20, OR EXCUSE ME, THE 66TH ANNUAL NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS SUITE SPONSORED BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION.

AND NOW THEREFORE, WE THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, GEORGIA DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 17TH THROUGH 23RD, 2026 TO BE PUBLIC WORKS SUITE IN THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, AND URGE ALL OUR CITIZENS TO JOIN THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND ACTIVITIES, EVENTS, AND CEREMONIES DESIGNED TO PAY TRIBUTE TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS, ENGINEERS, MANAGERS, AND EMPLOYEES, AND TO RECOGNIZE THE SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTIONS THEY MAKE TO PROTECT OUR HEALTH, OUR SAFETY, AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO PROCLAIM THIS FOURTH DAY OF MAY, 2026 BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, GEORGIA.

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

THE NEXT ITEM UP ON OUR AGENDA IN IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FROM THE MEETING OF APRIL 27TH, 2026, MS. OR HUSKY.

IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WE HAVE NO COMMENT CARDS.

HOWEVER, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO DO SO.

IS THERE ANYTHING WOULD LIKE TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA BY CITY COUNCIL? SEE NO ONE INDICATING THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ANYTHING FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO IF WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT, DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL? MOTION TO APPROVE?

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SECOND, HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN REEVES AND A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO, TIM MERKEL.

AND, AND DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE VOTE YES.

ALONG TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.

SO WE WILL MOVE RIGHT

[A. Announcement of Public Hearing Procedures]

I MS. ESWINE, I BELIEVE YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES AN INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING TO BE HEARD ON A MATTER RELATED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING MUST BE RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR BEFORE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL.

UPON RISING TO SPEAK, THE SPEAKER MUST IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR HERSELF AND FURNISH A HOME OR BUSINESS ADDRESS BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS.

THE COUNCIL WILL ALLOW PROPONENTS A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION.

OPPONENTS WILL BE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

COMMENTS ARE ACCEPTED FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY PERSON SPEAKING IN FAVOR.

AND THEN FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION UPON CONCLUSION OF ANY OPPOSING COMMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS, THE MAYOR WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO OFFER REBUTTAL IF ANY TIME IS REMAINING IN THE ORIGINALLY ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MS. SWIN.

[B. MP-26-03/CLUP-26-01/Z-26-01/CU-26-05/V-26-02 TPG Brookside West
Consideration of a master plan amendment, comprehensive land use plan amendment, rezoning, conditional use, and variances to allow for the redevelopment of a 5 story, 130,828 square foot office building with 104 ‘For-Sale’ townhomes on 8.76 acres in the Brookside Master Plan. A master plan amendment is requested to the Brookside Master Plan Pod A to allow the proposed development and add it to the Portman Brookside mixed-use development. A comprehensive land use plan amendment is requested from ‘Corporate Office’ to ‘Mixed Use’ and a rezoning is requested from O-I (Office-Institutional) to MU (Mixed Use). A conditional use is requested to allow ‘Dwelling, ‘For-Sale’, Attached’ and variances are requested from Unified Development Code (UDC) Subsection 2.2.20(B) to reduce the minimum office percentage and UDC Subsection 3.2.8(B)(1)(a) to modify the 50’ undisturbed buffer to a 15’ planted buffer. The property is located at 3650 Brookside Parkway and is legally described as being located in Land Lots 43 & 44, 1^st District, 1^st Section, Fulton County, Georgia.]

DIRECTOR COOK, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THIS ITEM.

EVENING.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

THE FIRST ITEM BEFORE YOU, YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE AERIAL MAP, AND IT'S A PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE BROOKSIDE MASTER PLAN.

THE REQUEST IF APPROVED, WOULD ALLOW FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF A FIVE STORY, 130,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING FROM A HUNDRED AND TO ALLOW 104 FOUR SALE TOWN HOMES ON APPROXIMATELY 8.76 ACRES LOCATED WITHIN THE BROOKSIDE MASTER PLAN.

AND LEMME PUT THIS SITE PLAN UP.

AND JUST TO ORIENT YOU, OF COURSE, UH, THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED TO THE WEST.

THAT IS THE PORTMAN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR.

UH, THE PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED TO THE SOUTH, THAT THESE TWO BUILDINGS ARE ACTUALLY THE GEORGIA STATE CAMPUS.

AND THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.

THIS IS A RETAIL, IT'S A RESTAURANT THAT'S CURRENTLY CLOSED, BUT WAS JUST PURCHASED.

BUT THAT IS A COMMERCIAL PARCEL.

AND THE PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED TO THE EAST, THAT'S THE MANSIONS, WHICH IS AGE RESTRICT RESTRICTED, UM, ASSISTED LIVING.

LEMME PUT THE SITE PLAN UP HERE.

SO HERE'S A BLOW UP OF THE THE PLAN.

AGAIN, THIS IS WITHIN POD A.

POD A IS A LARGER 86 ACRE POD WITHIN THE, UH, BROOKSIDE MASTER PLAN.

BROOKSIDE MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED BACK IN 1997 AND RESIDENTIAL USES WERE NOT PERMITTED AT THAT TIME.

THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY AND POD A IS 6.13 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH INCLUDES THE PROPERTY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AS LOCATED TO THE WEST.

THE MIXED USE AND THE REQUEST, SINCE IT'S BOTH, UH, UNDER CONTRACT OR OWNED BY PORTMAN, IS TO BE FOR A ZONING OF MIXED USE.

THERE WOULD ALSO BE, THERE'S ALSO A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM CORPORATE OFFICE TO MIXED USE.

WHEN WE WENT THROUGH BACK IN 2022 AND WE ADOPTED THE BROOKSIDE SMALL AREA PLAN, WE DID PROMOTE, UM, A CHANGE OF USES, BUT WE DIDN'T SPECIFY WHAT THOSE USES WOULD BE.

UM, WE DID HAVE A PLAN THAT WE PUT TOGETHER AFTER TALKING TO SEVERAL SURROUNDING HOAS.

THEY WANTED TO SEE A MORE WALKABLE BROOKSIDE.

AND OF COURSE WE STARTED DOWN THAT PATH IN 2022 BECAUSE WITHIN THE COMP PLAN, THIS AREA WAS IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF THE PRIORITY AREAS FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S WHY, UH, YOU'RE SEEING THIS REQUEST THIS EVENING.

A CONDITIONAL USE IS ALSO REQUIRED IF THEY'RE REQUESTING THE MIXED USE FOR A DWELLING FOR SALE ATTACHED USE.

AND THE VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUESTED ARE TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED OFFICE.

AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS ZONED IN NINETEEN NINETY SEVEN, A HUNDRED FIFTY FIVE ACRES, WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AT THAT TIME.

SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH AND WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT PARCELS WITHIN THE BROOKSIDE MASTER PLAN AND THEY'RE REDEVELOPED, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY HAVE SOME VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUESTED AS PART OF THAT PROGRAM.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE OVERALL BROOKSIDE MASTER PLAN.

ALTHOUGH WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AREA HERE, WHICH IS A AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THE REQUIRED OFFICE.

THERE IS 46 OTHER ACRES WITHIN THE,

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THE MASTER PLAN THAT HAS OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT WASN'T SOMETHING YOU'LL SEE THAT WHEN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT, THAT'S BECAUSE THAT ACREAGE FOR OFFICE EXISTS AND IT'S BUILT THROUGHOUT THE REST OF, OF BROOKSIDE.

ANOTHER REASON THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY BACK IN 2022 IS IT HAD, AT THAT TIME IT HAD THE HIGHEST VACANCY FOR OFFICE IN ALPHARETTA.

AGAIN, ANOTHER REASON WHY WE, WE WENT THROUGH THE, THE OUTREACH, WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE, BUT WE DID COME UP WITH DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES SUCH AS A PEDESTRIAN LOOP SYSTEM.

AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE.

AN OPEN SPACE NETWORK, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING INTERSECTION ENHANCEMENTS, AND OF COURSE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE 30 ACRE PARK THAT EXISTS WITHIN BROOKSIDE.

SOME OF THE OUTREACH THAT WE HAD WITH SURROUNDING HOAS, WE ASKED THEM WHY, HOW WOULD YOU USE THE BROOKSIDE TRAILS MORE, WHAT IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE MADE SO THAT YOU WOULD EITHER COME ACROSS THE STREET IF IT WAS PENBROOK THAT WE TALK SPOKE TO, OR PARK BROOK OR GLEN ABBEY.

AND UNANIMOUSLY THEY SAID IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT PARK RIGHT NOW IS, UH, IN FLOODPLAIN AND NEEDS IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THEN THEY WERE ALSO, UH, LOOKING FOR THOSE TRAILS TO BE LIT AND CLEARED.

JUST MORE ACCESSIBLE TRAILS.

SO SOME OF THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS APPROVAL IS TAKING IMPACT FEES THAT WOULD BE CHARGED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT IF IT'S APPROVED AND WORKING ON THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THAT LIST.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, PORTMAN WILL BE DOING AS PART OF THEIR IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT PARK.

SO IF WE ARE PUTTING AND I APPROVING PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THIS AREA, THAT IT IS A PLACE THAT THEY WILL WANT TO LIVE.

I ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT THE COMP PLAN.

THE COMP PLAN HAD IDENTIFIED THIS AREA'S PRIORITY, UH, FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

AND WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT GOALS WITHIN OUR, UH, OUR 2021 COMP PLAN THAT TALK ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT OF SUBURBAN OFFICE PARK, UH, FOR A MORE WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY.

UM, THAT'S WHY WE WENT FORWARD WITH A SMALL AREA PLAN SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BROOKSIDE AREA.

ALSO, AS PART OF THOSE, THE BROOKSIDE AREA PLAN, WE DID LOOK AT A FUTURE IMPROVEMENT TO THE ROADWAY.

CURRENTLY THE ROADWAY IS FOUR LANES.

WE WENT THROUGH A PRELIMINARY TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SHOWED BASED ON THE TRAFFIC THAT EXISTS, THAT TWO LANES COULD BE ELIMINATED FOR A LANE DIET IN ORDER TO ADD WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAD SPOKE ABOUT.

BETTER BIKE LANES AND PEDESTRIAN PATHS.

SO IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD HAVE TO, THAT WOULD BE A CITY PROJECT, BUT YOU'LL SEE CONDITIONS IF THIS IS APPROVED, THAT WOULD SET BACK AREAS NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE THE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE RE PARKING REGULATIONS REQUIRE ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EACH BEDROOM AND A TOWN HOME UNIT, UM, AS WELL AS 18 FOOT LONG DRIVEWAYS.

THEY HAVE, THEY DO MEET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

THE REQUIRED PARKING IS 312 PARKING SPACES.

THEY HAVE 416.

THEY ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL, UM, 24 SPACES FOR, UH, GUEST PARKING.

THEY ALSO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.

OPEN SPACE INCLUDES CIVIC SPACE, WHICH IS IS MORE PUBLIC SPACE, AS WELL AS PRIVATE SPACE, WHICH IS PEOPLE'S YARDS.

UM, BALCONIES, UM, THOSE TYPE OF USES.

AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THEY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT POCKET PARKS.

UH, IT'S LOCATED ONE ON THE, THE SOUTHERN CORNER, ONE OF THE NORTHERN CORNER, AS WELL AS THE, THE POCKET PARK WITH A POOL CABANA.

AND THEN THE MALE KIOSK.

THEY'RE ALSO SHOWING THE DEVELOPMENT GATED.

THE GATE DOES, IT'S FARTHER BACK SO THEY DON'T IMPEDE, UM, THE SHARED ACCESS THEY HAVE WITH THE MANSIONS NEXT DOOR.

THEY ALSO SUBMITTED RENDERING TRADITIONAL, UM, MAJORITY BRICK, UM, IN SIDING.

AND WE ALSO ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE US WHAT A SIDE ELEVATION WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT'S A BUDDING BROOK SIDE.

AND JUST TO REMIND YOU WHAT THE PORTMAN MIXED USE BROOKSIDE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE.

IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMILAR.

THEY, THEY WENT WITH THE SAME, VERY TYPICAL, UM, THE, THE BRICK MATCHES VERY TRADITIONAL, SHOULDN'T SAY TYPICAL, BUT TRADITIONAL, UH, BRICK TO MATCH WHAT

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WAS APPROVED.

UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT TRAFFIC.

THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A TRIP GENERATION REPORT, WHICH ESTIMATES THAT THE 104 TOWNHOMES WILL GENERATE 40 6:00 AM PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 51 PEAK HOUR, UH, PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS, WHICH WE SHOW AS A 79% DECREASE IN A AND PEAK, OF COURSE, AT FULL CAPACITY OF THE OFFICE BUILDING.

RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT 16% OCCUPIED.

WE ALSO, UH, REACHED OUT TO FULTON COUNTY SCHOOLS AND THEY DID PROVIDE US, UH, BASED ON THE, THE TOTAL FIGURE FOR ALL SCHOOLS, IT CAN BE ASSUMED THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT COULD HOUSE APPROXIMATELY SIX TO 51 SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN.

AND THE NEW PROSPECT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN ALFREDA HIGH SCHOOL HAVE AVAILABLE, UH, ENROLLMENT CAPACITY.

HOWEVER, WEB BRIDGE MIDDLE SCHOOL IS OVER CAPACITY.

AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE STANDARDS FOR THE COMP PLAN, LAND USE AMENDMENTS.

AND SPECIFICALLY, I'LL, I'LL JUST MENTION NUMBER ONE, THE EXTENT TO WHICH A CHANGE IN THE ECONOMY LAND USE OR DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE AREA HAS OCCURRED.

AND WE FOUND THAT LOOKING AT THE 2040, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT, IT IDENTIFIES OLD MELTON PARKWAY, UH, EAST OF GEORGIA.

400 IS A PRIORITY AREA IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT.

AND PRO PROMOTES THE RETROFITTING AND MIXED USE PATTERNS TO CREATE ACTIVITY NODES.

AND WE BROUGHT THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT WAS, IT WAS HEARD AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, APRIL 23RD.

THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

AND AFTER DISCUSSION, THE, UH, COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITION.

AND, AND THAT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE, UH, SEVEN TO ZERO.

AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING 28 DIFFERENT CONDITIONS IF IT'S APPROVED.

AND, UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR COOK? COUNCILMAN REEVES, UM, SAID 46 OF THE TOWN HOMES NO MORE THAN 46 WOULD BE 18 FEET WIDE.

UM, AND, AND WHAT IS THE, UM, WHAT IS THE CODE? WHAT IS 20 THAT THEY, SO WITHIN THIS, UM, WITHIN THE MIXED USE, IT DOESN'T HAVE A MINIMUM.

SO AT ONE TIME THEY WERE GOING FORWARD WITH THE R 10 M, WHICH DID HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 18 FEET.

THE MU ZONING DISTRICT DOES NOT HAVE A MINIMUM, I SAID MAXIMUM, BUT MINIMUM.

UM, THAT I RECALL, THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES WITH THE 16, I MEAN THIS, THE 18 FEET ACROSS IN TERMS OF THE DRIVEWAYS FITTING IN, FITTING TWO CARS.

UM, AND THEN THAT ENDS UP TAKING THE SIDE PARKING AND HAS ENDED UP AS AN ISSUE THAT IS RECURRING WITH OUR THREE STORY TOWN HOMES.

AND, AND THE 18 IS, IT WORKS FOR US.

AND I KNOW THAT THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND IT WAS, IT WAS A BIG ISSUE, BUT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE WAY IT WAS GRADED.

WHEN THEY BUILT THE GARAGE, THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO PUT TWO STAIRS INTO THE GARAGE, WHICH TOOK THE AREA THE LENGTH BECAUSE THE FIRST FLOOR WAS ELEVATED.

SO IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT GRADE AND THE STEPS COMING INTO THE GARAGE TOOK, TOOK THE AREA.

SO, SO THE 18 AND THE WIDTH WAS FINE, IT WAS THE LENGTH FOR THAT PARTICULAR CASE.

BUT YES, WE FIXED THE CODE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DIDN'T OCCUR IN THE FUTURE.

UM, TAKING THE FOUR LANES AND REDUCING IT TO TWO, I KNOW THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC AROUND THAT LOOP RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE'RE PUTTING REDEVELOPMENT ON THERE AS WE ARE, IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE SHORTSIGHTED TO GO FROM FOUR LANES TO TWO.

AND THEN ALONG THAT SAME VEIN, UM, REGARDING THE, UM, SIDEWALKS, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS IN THE OTHER PART OF BROOKSIDE AND I WOULD THINK THAT ANY DEVELOPER THAT WOULD COME IN, WE WOULD WANNA AT LEAST REQUIRE THE TYPES OF SIDEWALKS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLAR ON.

BE SOMETHING THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH IN THE FUTURE.

SO, SO THERE IS A CONDITION, IF IT'S APPROVED, THAT THEY WOULD, UH, MAINTAIN A SIX FOOT BEAUTY STRIP AS WELL AS AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK.

AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT WITH THE, WITH THE LANE DIET, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE ORIGINALLY HAD FOR NORTH POINT, WE HAD A, A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S, UM, THAT'S PENDING.

SO WE MAY NOT BE GOING FORWARD WITH ELAINE DIET.

THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE'LL LOOK AT ALSO FOR BROOKSIDE, BECAUSE IF GEORGIA STATE ADDS ADDITIONAL OFFICE BUILDINGS AND INCREASES THEIR OFFERINGS, THAT MAY NOT

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BUT WE'LL STILL HAVE THE EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALKS, SO THEY WILL STILL BUILD THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE NEED.

AND WOULD WE BUILD THE SIDEWALKS OR WOULD THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THE SIDEWALKS, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE OUT A LANE.

OH, WELL, I WOULD THINK NOT.

THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION THAN THAT.

THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION THAN THAT.

THANK YOU COUNCILMAN BRADY.

THANK YOU KATHY.

UM, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS PROJECT IN THIS AREA.

'CAUSE IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE.

UM, DO YOU MIND PUTTING UP JUST THE, THE RENDERINGS REAL QUICK AND JUST THE, THE CONFORMITY DEPORTMENT AND I'M, I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE RENDERINGS AND YOU, I'M ALWAYS GONNA LOOK AT THE QUALITY AND MAKE SURE IT, IT REPRESENTS THE QUALITY OF ALPHARETTA AND WHAT WE WANT TO ALPHARETTA.

UM, I, I'LL BE HONEST, I I WAS EXPECTING SOMETHING.

THAT'S NOT THE SAME PICTURE YOU HAD A MINUTE AGO.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT PICTURE I SAW A MINUTE AGO, BUT IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

UM, LET ME SEE.

IT, IT, I GUESS WE'RE TALKING MOSTLY UNPAINTED BRICK, RIGHT? WAS THE SUBSTANTIAL MATERIAL THAT'S GONNA BE USED ON THE EXTERIOR.

UM, I THINK THE ONE YOU JUST SHOWED A MINUTE AGO IS ONLY A FACE BRICK WITH, WITH SIDING ON THE SIDE.

THERE YOU IS.

IS THAT THE CORRECT ONE? BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DIFFERE DIFFERENCE.

THIS ONE, THAT'S A BIG, BIG DIFFERE AND THIS STILL HAS IT.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE SLOPE ROOF HERE, WHICH IS THIS PART, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S RENDERED.

THIS IS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, BY MACHINE AND THEN THIS EXISTS.

YEP.

SO THE FIRST ONE YOU'RE SHOWING IS PORTMOUTH AND THE SECOND ONE IS THE, THE APPLICANT.

AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE PORTMAN.

BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS STILL SIMILAR AND THE BRICKS WERE COMPLIMENTARY.

IT LOOKS GREAT.

PORT PORTMAN LOOKS GREAT.

UM, THE SECOND ONE HERE, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE, TAKE THIS ONE, THIS ONE HERE THAT'S SHOWN RIGHT HERE.

SEE THE SIDING ON THE SIDE, THAT'S NOT, NOT PRIMARILY BRICK, RIGHT, BUT BRICK YOU'RE SAYING IS THE MATERIAL IS GONNA HAVE THE PROMINENT USE.

AND IT COULD BE CONDITIONED TO WHERE AT THE ENDS, AT LEAST FOR THE UNITS THAT ARE FRONTING BROOK'S SIDE, INVISIBLE FROM BROOK'S SIDE THAT THE END COULD BE, UM, ALL BRICK ALRE.

I I, I'LL BE HONEST, I WAS EXPECTING A BETTER DESIGN, BUT BEING, AND THERE IS A CONDITION TOO, THAT'S NOT, YOU CAN'T, YOU DON'T, IT HASN'T BEEN REFLECTED HERE.

WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CONDITION THAT'S I ME SEE WHERE IT IS.

IT JUST LOOKS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

APARTMENT, I MEAN, JUST TO, I I KNOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFERENT.

I KNOW THEY'RE ACROSS THE ROAD FROM EACH OTHER, BUT ONE IS A, A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.

THAT LOOKS, THE OTHER ONE DOES NOT.

THAT'S PRETTY OPPOSITE.

SO ON NUMBER, THIS MIGHT JUST MY OWN REACTION TO IT.

SO ON NUMBER FIVE, AND, AND, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE ON NUMBER FIVE WE ADDED, UM, ARCHITECTURE SHALL BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR EXCEPT THAT FRONT ENTRIES ALONG BROOKSIDE PARKWAY SHALL BE RECESSED WITH PRONOUNCED COVERED PORCHES.

AND THE REASON THAT WE PUT THAT IN IS BECAUSE HOW PRONOUNCED, YOU KNOW, THE BROOKSIDE MM-HMM .

UM, ARCHITECTURE WAS, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE JUST IN MORE PROMINENT ENTRIES.

I'M JUST, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT SOME OF THE, I GUESS THE REASON WHY I'M VOICING THIS, JUST IT LOOKS LIKE THAT COULD AGE VERY FAST AND DETERIORATE VERY QUICK BASED UPON SUN AND ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT WILL HIT IT THERE.

AND I'M LOOKING FOR A TIMELESS PRODUCT THAT WILL BE OUT THERE.

THE FIRST ONE FROM PORTLAND LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD STAND THE TEST OF TIME.

AND THIS PRODUCT, I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT CONDITIONS IN 10, 15, 20 YEARS WILL LOOK LIKE.

SO THAT, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT.

BUT RIGHT.

AND THIS, AND THIS IS APPROVED BY STAFF.

YOU COULD, YOU COULD ALSO, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU WANTED TO, UH, CHANGE THAT TO DRB IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO SEE.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

I, I, I JUST WANNA FOCUS ON THE, THE REMOVAL OF THE, THE OFFICE SPACE.

UH, NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT, BUT I THINK FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THE CAPACITY OF OFFICE SPACE THAT WE HAVE IN THE BROOKSIDE MASTER PLAN TODAY.

UM, FROM THE 97 MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT OF MAKING IT AN OFFICE PARK, UM, BETWEEN THIS AND OTHER APPLICATIONS WE'VE HAD COMPARED TO WHAT OFFICE SPACE WAS THERE, HOW MUCH IS, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, HOW MUCH OFFICE SPACE IS BEING REMOVED FROM BROOKSIDE, THAT BROOKSIDE? SO THIS, THIS WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 260,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND SO THE BROOKSIDE HAS CLOSE TO A MILLION SQUARE FEET THAT'S DEVELOPED.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE GEORGIA STATE CAMPUS.

SO THIS WOULD, IF YOU ADD THE, UM, I APOLOGIZE, IT'S 300, LEMME LEMME SEE.

ON THIS OFFICE BUILDING, IT'D BE A TOTAL OF 360,000 SQUARE FEET OF REMOVAL.

IF THIS IS APPROVED THROUGHOUT BROOKSIDE, THAT'S WITH THREE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

BUT ON THIS ONE IT'S 130

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OUT OF A MILLION.

YOU SAID A MILLION? YES.

A MILLION SQUARE FEET.

IT'S, IT'S A 909 I THINK IS THE NUMBER.

SQUARE FEET.

LET ME SEE.

IT'S CLOSE TO, TO A MILLION.

THE REASON I BRING THIS UP, BECAUSE, UM, I'LL SHOW YOU, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF, UM, AT LEAST I'M HEARING IT, I'M SURE MY FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL ARE IN THIS TOO, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THE AMOUNT OF APPLICATIONS WE'RE GETTING TO CONVERT OFFICE SPACE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT HIGH DENSITY TOWN HOMES, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

AND, AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THIS CONCEPT HERE, APPLICATION FORCE IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE OVERALL PLAN OF BROOKSIDE AS FAR AS HOW THE, THE CITY IS ENVISIONING THIS AREA TO BE CONVERTED WITHOUT REMOVING ALL THE OFFICE SPACE, HOPEFULLY ENHANCING GEORGIA STATE'S CAMPUS, UM, OPENING UP THAT, THAT, THAT CITY PARK THAT REALLY IS UNACCESSIBLE TODAY.

I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND LIKE, WE MIGHT BE CONSIDERING THE PROOF OF THIS TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE BENEFIT TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONTRIBUTE IN THE WHOLE, THE NEW BROOKSIDE AREA TO REVITALIZE THAT AREA.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.

A HUNDRED PERCENT.

AND I THINK, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ALL SUBURBAN OFFICE PARKS AND N ALPHARETTA ARE, ARE NOT THE SAME.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THEM EACH IN EACH REQUEST THAT COMES FORWARD.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT ON ITS OWN MERITS.

AND WITH BROOKSIDE IT WAS MORE OF A A, A DELIBERATE, UM, SMALL AREA PLAN THAT WE PUT TOGETHER BECAUSE WE KNEW HOW IMPORTANT THE GEORGIA STATE CAMPUS WAS, UM, TO THE CITY, UM, TO THE REGION, THE CITY, UH, ALSO, BUT ALSO BECAUSE WE KNEW WE HAD THE 30 ACRE PARK.

IS IT A PLACE THAT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE? AND SO WE HAD ALL THESE DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT WOULD BE A NICE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE SEE ALL THE TIME.

UM, COUNCIL DOESN'T SEE IT, BUT, BUT WE SEE IT IN THE OFFICE AND IT DOESN'T MAKE IT VERY FAR WHERE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING TOWN HOMES IN A, IN A PARKING LOT.

UM, BUT IT'S NOT AN A GOOD PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AND IT'S NOT A PRIORITY AREA FOR US TO TRY TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S WALKABLE AND SUPPORT THE FANTASTIC USE USES, USES THAT WE HAVE.

IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TOO WITH THE, WITH THE GEORGIA STATE CAMPUS AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THEM HOPING THAT THEY HAD ADDITIONAL, HAVE ADDITIONAL OFFERINGS.

THEY TOLD US WE NEED SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, FOR STUDENTS TO WALK TO.

UM, SO THAT'S WHEN THE PORTLAND WAS APPROVED WITH THE RETAIL.

UM, THEY, THEY ALSO, WITH PORTMAN HAVING THE MIXED USE IN RETAIL, YOU NEED PEOPLE THERE AT ALL TIMES TO SUPPORT THAT MIXED USE THAT'S BEEN APPROVED TO THE WEST.

SO IT WAS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, IT STARTED WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE, AND THE RESIDENTS, UM, TELLING US THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY, HAVING THOSE MEETINGS WITH THE, THE HOA.

SO IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN IN A PROCESS SINCE 2021 TO SEE HOW WE COULD MOVE AND, AND MAKE IT BETTER.

AND I, I THINK THAT MAY NO, THAT'S SOMEWHAT ANSWER.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I WANTED IT TO COME FROM STAFF BECAUSE I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS.

SO THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN REEVES.

I'M GLAD, UM, COUNCILMAN DORITO BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE, UM, WHY HERE AND NOT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND, UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT THE WORK HAS BEEN IN THIS, IN THIS NODE, IN THIS AREA SINCE 21.

UM, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY ALL THE DENSITY IN ALPHARETTA WHEN IT WAS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF DESIGNED FOR MODERN ALPHARETTA, ALL THE DENSITY WAS PLANNED TO BE BETWEEN WEST SIDE AND NORTH POINT AND WHEN, AND WINDWARD PARKWAY AND MANSEL, UM, THIS IS A DIFFERENT AREA.

IT HAS GEORGIA STATE HERE.

IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, VACANT.

AND I THINK THAT THOSE ARE A COUPLE AND IT DOES HAVE THE GREENWAY PARK RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

MORE TOWNHOUSES AND, UM, AND, AND THERE'S A VAL THAT'S A VALID POINT BECAUSE DENSITY OF THIS TYPE WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE THIS FAR EAST.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME UNIQUE THINGS I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SEE LOTS AND LOTS OF APPLICATIONS TRY TO SAY THEY'RE THE SAME THING AND THEY'RE NOT.

AND I DON'T THINK CROSSING, UNLESS CHANGES ARE COMPLETELY MADE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE CROSSING, UM, OLD MILTON PARKWAY, CERTAINLY WHILE IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

UM, SO I DO WANNA ECHO THAT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT THIS AND GO

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AND, UM, TYPICALLY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ON KIMBALL BRIDGE AND IT'S NOT ON WEB BRIDGE AND TYPICALLY NOT ON, UM, ON WINDWARD PARKWAY.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL SURE.

MOVING FORWARD.

AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT PUT INTO CREATING THE CONDITIONS.

HEIGHTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN A MULTIFAMILY THAN A RESIDENTIAL TOWN ON DEVELOPMENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, DIRECTOR.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME? GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR.

Y'ALL HEAR ME TRY AGAIN? WOULD THE GREEN LIGHT THROUGH THERE? WE, THERE WE GO.

THAT'S BETTER.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

MY NAME'S ALEX BROCK WITH SMITH GARE.

RUSSELLS, UH, OFFICE ADDRESS IS 1105 WEST PEACH STREET STREET, ATLANTA, GEORGIA.

I AM HERE REPRESENTING THE PROVIDENCE GROUP OF GEORGIA, UH, FOR THEIR APPLICATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY ON BROOKSIDE PARKWAY.

DIRECTOR COOK GAVE A PRETTY THOROUGH OVERVIEW AND TOUCHED ON SOME OF THE POINTS THAT I WANTED TO, UH, MENTION TONIGHT.

SO I'LL KEEP MY PRESENTATION BRIEF AND, UH, GO THROUGH A FEW, REITERATE A FEW ZONING POINTS AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO MR. WARREN JOLLY WITH THE PROVIDENCE GROUP TO GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, SPECIFICS ITSELF.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A FIVE STORY 130,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 84% VACANT, UH, AT THIS TIME, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR THE BROOKSIDE AREA.

AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR THE REGION OR THE, THE, THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE.

UH, SINCE THE COVID PANDEMIC, UH, NON-CLASS A OFFICE HAS, UH, SUFFERED A DRAMATIC DOWNTURN IN OCCUPANCY RATES AND LED TO A NUMBER OF, UH, OFFICES BEING REDEVELOPED.

AS A RESULT.

AT THE BROOKSIDE DEVELOPMENT OR AT BROOKSIDE, UH, YOU OFTEN SEE EMPTY SPACES, LITTLE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY, UH, ALONG THE SIDEWALKS AND IS USUALLY INACTIVATED DURING THE DAY.

WHAT THE PROVIDENCE GROUP SEEKS TO DO IS TO REDEVELOP THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITH 104 TOWN HOME UNITS, UH, WHICH WOULD IN A G COMMUNITY, WHICH WOULD ADD A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT INTO THE AREA.

UH, THUS ACTIVATING BOTH PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY ALONG WITH PORTMAN'S MIXED USE PROJECT ACROSS BROOKSIDE PARKWAY, UH, AS WELL AS THE BROOKSIDE AREA.

UH, IN GENERAL, UH, THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE CITY'S GOALS SET OUT IN THE COMP PLAN, UH, FOR AREAS EAST OF 400, UH, AS WELL AS THE BROOKSIDE SMALL AREA PLANT REDEVELOPED AGING, UH, SUBURBAN OFFICE.

AND THE WALKABLE MIXED USE AS DIRECTOR, UH, COOK HAD MENTIONED, IN FACT, THE HORIZON, UH, 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLANT IDENTIFIES OLD MILK PARKWAY EAST OF GEORGIA, 400 AS PRIORITY AREA IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT AND PROMOTES RETROFITTING ING AND, UH, MIX MIXED USE PATTERNS TO CREATE ACTIVITY NODES NEAR OR WITHIN EXISTING SERVICE, UH, SUBURBAN OFFICE PARKS.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THOSE GOALS THAT THE CITY HAS SET FORTH FOR REDEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.

TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE ASKING FOR TWO VARIANCES.

UH, ONE IS TO REDUCE THE 50 FOOT BUFFER UND DISTURBED BUFFER, UH, TO A 15 FOOT PLANTED BUFFER.

AND THOSE ARE ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINES THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE, UH, SENIOR HOU HOUSING AND THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE THAT FACES THE, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL USES TO THE NORTH.

WE ARE ALSO ASK ASKING FOR A REDUCTION, UH, OF THE OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL USE FROM 25 CENT, UH, PERCENT TO 17%.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, DIRECTOR COOK HAD EXPLAINED.

STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION.

THE, UH, CITY OF ALPHARETTA PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AT ITS APRIL 23RD MEETING.

UH, WE ARE ASKING THIS BODY TO FOLLOW SUIT AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, WITH STAFF'S COMMIT, UH, CONDITIONS AS WELL.

WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE BEFORE THIS BOARD TONIGHT AND RESPECTFULLY ASKED FOR YOUR, UH, VOTE OF APPROVAL.

AT THIS POINT.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. WARREN JOLLY, UH, TO SPEAK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UM, COUNCIL.

I'M WARREN JOLLY, PRESIDENT OF THE PROVINCE GROUP OF GEORGIA.

UM, WANT TO FOR FERAL JUST TO KIND OF GET TO SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.

OBVIOUSLY, DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT IS A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND THE PLATE HEIGHTS ARE DIFFERENT.

CEILING

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UM, WE PICKED THIS PROJECT 'CAUSE WE, AND THIS WASN'T SOMETHING LIKE THROWN TOGETHER OVERNIGHT.

WE WORKED HARD ON IT, BUT A COUPLE OF THESE BUILDINGS I CAN SHOW YOU WERE BUILT, UM, IN DOWNTOWN, UM, UH, NORCROSS IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

THERE WERE HIS DOOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UH, PLATE HEIGHTS, CEILING HEIGHTS, WINDOWS.

UM, WE DO HAVE A CONDITION THAT THAT ARCHITECTURE TO BE FORESIGHTED.

UM, AND ALSO, UM, AND THAT MAINLY IS BRICK.

SO THE RENDERING, UM, THAT YOU SAW, IT WAS PART OF THE APPLICATION AND IT'S KIND OF DEVELOPED FROM THESE CONDITIONS NOW.

BUT THAT'S NOT OUR INTENTION TO BILL.

IT'S MORE WHAT YOU HAVE HERE.

AND LIKE ALWAYS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PREFERENCE OF THE COUNCIL OR THE STAFF IS.

SO WE SUBMITTED AND THEY WERE WORKED THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE ZONING.

UM, BUT WHAT WAS UNIQUE ABOUT THESE BUILDINGS, UM, THAT WE THOUGHT, UM, IN THE WIDTHS OF 'EM BEING DIFFERENT WIDTHS IS THAT MOST TOWN HOME BUILDINGS, THEY PRETTY MUCH ALL LOOK THE SAME.

THEY ALL STAGGERED THE SAME, THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME WIDTH.

UM, AND THESE ARE DIFFERENT WIDTHS.

THEY HAVE PORCHES, THEY HAVE, UH, COPPER ROOFS BETWEEN THE, UM, THE TWO THAT ARE PUT TOGETHER.

UM, AND TO WE, WE THINK THE STREETSCAPE, WE ALWAYS FACE THE EXTERIORS OUT.

AND WE THINK THE STREETSCAPE COULD REALLY BE GREAT WITH, I THINK KATHY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MATCHING BRICK COLORS OF PORTMAN AND YOU KNOW, LOOKING MORE LIKE BOSTON TYPE ROW HOUSES WITH GATES AND IRON RAILS.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE, THE PLAN IS FOR THEM TO LOOK AT.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, REALLY, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THE BLESSING OF GOING THROUGH TWO PLANNING COMMISSION HEARINGS AND, UM, WORKING WITH STAFF AND REALLY, UM, NOTHING'S COME UP WITH ARCHITECTURE, BUT I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW, WE, WE LIKE, WE'RE PROUD OF WHAT WE BUILD AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY ON THE, THE ARCHITECTURE.

UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE, WERE BROUGHT UP, UM, YOU KNOW, MAINLY ABOUT TOWN HOMES.

UM, I'VE BEEN DEVELOPING IN, UM, ALPHARETTA FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND WE'VE DEVELOPED ALL OF OUR ATLANTA AND I WOULD NEVER THINK I WOULD BE SITTING HERE TEARING DOWN A FIVE STORY, 130,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING TO BUILD TOWN HOMES.

AND TOWN HOMES AREN'T THAT DENSE REALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE FROM, I COULD SEE A MEAN, I THINK APARTMENTS WERE LOOKED, LOOKED AT THIS, THIS PROPERTY TWICE.

UM, I THINK IT IS A GOOD USE.

UM, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE PLACES THAT, YOU KNOW, TALENTS MAY NOT WORK, I THINK, BUT THIS HAS A, A GREAT STREETSCAPE.

I THINK IT FITS IN WITH A MIXED USE OF PORTMAN.

AND SO YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, PORTMAN HAS A PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT AND WE'RE BUYING IT FROM THEM.

SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHY WE'RE DOING MOST OF THE, THE APPLICATION.

BUT I THINK IT'S, UM, VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE RETAIL THAT'S COMING UP TO HAVE MORE HOUSES, NOT ONLY THE MULTIFAMILY THAT PORTMAN'S BUILDING, BUT TO HAVE OWNERSHIP.

AND I THINK FOR GEORGIA STATE, I THINK IT'S THE SAME WAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, WE DO AGREE WITH THE STAFF CONDITIONS AND, UM, WE HAVE BEEN, UH, SURPRISINGLY APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION TWICE WITH THOSE SAME CONDITIONS.

SO WE WOULD RESPECT YOUR, UH, APPROVAL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

UH, MR. JOLLY OVER HERE.

UH, GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, UM, I I CAN ONLY SPEAK PERSONALLY.

YOU, YOU DO HAVE A FINE, FINE REPUTATION FOR YOUR, YOUR PRODUCT HERE IN, UH, ALPHARETTA AND MUCH APPRECIATED THAT YOU, YOU, YOU INVEST HERE.

THE, UH, THE THING THAT'S ON MY MIND IS I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE WAY, UH, COUNCILMAN BRADY EXPRESSED HIS CONCERNS.

UM, AND IT'S ALL TIED TO CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS ARCHITECTURE SHALL BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE SUBMITTED RENDERINGS.

UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE SO THAT DESPITE BEST INTENTIONS BY YOU AND BEST INTENTIONS BY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS A COUNCIL, IS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF OBJECTIVE CRITERIA TO GET CLARITY ABOUT WHAT THESE FINISHES MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

I KNOW THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD DOES WHAT THEY DO, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THESE SUBMITTED RENDERINGS ARE THAT IS A CONDITION OF THIS ZONING REQUEST.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S THE ONES I SAW THAT.

I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONES I WANT TO AGREE TO.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A PEDESTRIAN AREA WITHOUT A PEDESTRIAN PRODUCT.

AND I AGREE WITH WHAT MR. UH, COUNCILMAN BRADY SAID THAT I'M NOT FEELING LIKE WHAT I SEE IS THE SUBMITTED RENDERINGS.

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WE WILL STAND THE TEST OF TIME FOR PORTMAN'S FIRST SUBURBAN INVESTMENT OUTSIDE OF, OF AN URBAN CORE ACROSS THE STREET.

SO IF WE, AND UM, THERE'S A QUESTION HERE.

THE QUESTION IS IF WE CAN REACH SOME AGREEMENT WITH STAFF AND CONSENSUS OF COUNSEL ABOUT WHAT CLARITY WE HAVE AROUND WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.

I DON'T WANNA INVADE THE DB'S PROVINCE, BUT I CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN DOWN WHAT I'VE SEEN.

COUNCILMAN, ARE YOU, ARE YOU, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND TOO.

IS THIS, AND, AND THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT RENDERING FROM WHICH CONDITION NUMBER FIVE APPLIES.

I'M JUST NOT SURE WHICH RENDERING IS BEING REFERENCED IN CONDITION FIVE.

DO Y'ALL KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS? SO YOU WANT TO, WE COULD, WE COULD LABEL THIS EXHIBIT A IF THAT'S THE ONE.

THIS IS THE RENDERING.

I, I SO JUST PUT AS SHOWN ON EXHIBIT A, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT I'M VOTING FOR.

SURE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M VOTING.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

'CAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PICTURES MM-HMM .

AND THIS IS THE SAME.

IT'S JUST, IT'S THE SAME FOOTPRINT, BUT LET'S JUST DO THIS WAY EXHIBIT.

I WANT THE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE A PROVIDENCE PRODUCT AND NOT A PULTE PRODUCT.

WELL, AND THAT'S NO OFFENSE TO PULTE AT ALL.

IT'S JUST, IT'S WELL, HOW ABOUT A, HOW ABOUT A, HOW ABOUT A 1980S POULTRY BOX? WELL, ALL THESE ONES THAT ARE HERE, WE BUILT, SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

I MEAN, THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE BUILT.

I'M SORRY.

WE BUILT IT, WE DIDN'T TAKE PICTURES OF SOMETHING ELSE.

THIS IS WHAT WE, UH, I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO ADD.

I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M DRIVING AT.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT I'M VOTING FOR BY, UH, THE INTENTION IS THIS EXHIBIT RIGHT HERE.

AND THANK YOU.

SO THIS, THIS HAS MORE SIDINGS AND THERE IS A FURTHER DOWN, UH, MORE MENTION TO THE BRICK AND FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE IN THAT SAME CONDITION.

BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU ON WHAT EXHIBIT IT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED AND I CAN FEEL MYSELF FLUSH.

I THINK PULTE MAKES A GREAT PRODUCT.

COUNCILMAN BRADY, FIRST OF ALL, ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INVESTMENT IN ALPHARETTA AND FOR, FOR BRINGING GREAT PRODUCT.

UM, I THINK IT'S A COMPLIMENT TO GET THAT REACTION, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE WE'RE SO USED TO HAVING A GREAT PRODUCT FROM, FROM PROVIDENCE THAT WHEN WE SEE, WHEN I SAW THAT PICTURE, I JUST, I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.

I WAS LIKE, AND THAT'S KIND OF SAME THING AS COUNCILMAN HYPES.

I JUST, IT LOOKED TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS HAVE BUILT HERE.

SO WHEN ONE BUILDING'S READY TO GET PAINTED OR PUT A NEW ROOF ON IT, THEY ALL GET DONE AT ONE TIME.

AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS SUBSTANDARD FOR WHAT WE CONSIDER THE STANDARDS OF PROVIDENCE.

SO I'M GLAD WE KIND OF CLARIFIED THAT.

I, I'D GO SO FAR TO SEE NO SIDING.

YOU KNOW, I JUST, I I DON'T THINK CITING IS A PRODUCT THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE.

I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE PICTURE ON THE TOP EXHIBIT.

I'M JUST HAPPY TO KIND OF SEE THAT, 'CAUSE THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE TO WHAT WE SAW THERE IN THE, IN THE FOR SIDE.

ALSO LIKE YOU TO, TO TALK, IF YOU DON'T MIND A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.

ONE IS VERY THANKFUL THAT YOU'RE CREATING AMENITIES BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL WHEN WE DO CREATE A COMMUNITY THAT IT HAS ITS SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND, AND HAVING AMENITIES LIKE A POOL AND AND ACTIVATING SOME GREEN SPACE IS, IS REALLY GOOD FOR A COMMUNITY TO GET THEM TOGETHER, TO MEET YOUR NEIGHBORS AND BE PART OF YOUR NEIGHBORS LOVE.

THE FACT YOU HAVE THE PRIVATE GATING KIND OF COMING OUT.

I THINK THESE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE MORE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.

UM, SO REALLY KINDA LIKE WHAT YOU, YOU DID THERE.

UM, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT TO BE HONEST.

I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU AND I KINDA LOST IT.

UM, YEAH, WE, WE, WE DO HAVE A POOL.

OH, WE DO HAVE A POOL IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WE DO HAVE OPEN SPACE.

WE HAVE UNDERGROUND DETENTION AND ON TOP OF THE DETENTION WE HAVE ALL THESE GREEN SPACES.

THERE'S, SHE SHOWED THREE OF THEM.

UM, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE UNDERGROUND DETENTION, YOU WOULDN'T REALLY HAVE THAT SPACE.

UM, BUT THE, UM, AS YOU WELL KNOW, UM, YOU NEED ENOUGH HOMES TO SUPPORT AMENITIES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, OVERBEARING TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE WITH 104 UNITS, THAT'S THE RIGHT SIZE TO BE ABLE TO DO THE TYPE OF COMMUNITY AND AMENITIES WE LIKE TO HAVE.

MOST OF THEM, YOU KNOW, IN ALFRED DON'T HAVE 'EM.

THE BIGGER COMMUNITIES, THE OLD ONES USED TO ALWAYS HAVE IT, BUT A LOT OF THE NEWER ONES DON'T HAVE 'EM.

YOU KNOW, SO I, I THINK WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS BEFORE I, YOU KNOW, WE, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY GOING WHAT TOWN HOMES, TOWN HOMES, TOWN HOMES.

SO MY QUESTION KIND OF IS, YOU, YOU'RE MAKING AN INVESTMENT.

YOU HAVE MADE INVESTMENT, RIGHT? DENSITY INTO TOWN HOMES.

WHO IS YOUR BUYER? LIKE WHO, WHO IS THAT PERSONA? 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND I THINK PART OF THIS IS, IS IT LIFESTYLE CHANGES? 'CAUSE WE'RE WE'RE USED TO BEING DIFFERENT GENERATIONS, RIGHT? I BOUGHT A HOUSE IN A BIG YARD AND WE KIND OF WORK ON THE YARD.

WHAT, WHAT'S DRIVING SOME OF THESE CHANGES? WELL, I, I THINK FOR TOWN HOMES THERE ARE DIFFERENT BUYERS FOR DIFFERENT BUILDERS.

UH, UM, YOU KNOW, TOWN HOMES USED TO BE A PRICE POINT, YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE COULDN'T AFFORD HOUSES SO THEY WOULD BUY A TOWN HOME.

UM, ALSO WE DON'T LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.

WE WE'RE A LIFESTYLE LIFESTYLE BUILDER.

AND SO WE BUILD, YOU KNOW, ALL THE LAWNS ARE MAINTAINED, ALL THE EXTERIORS ARE MAINTAINED, ALL THE ROOFS GET REPLACED.

SO THEY PAY HIGHER FEES IN THE COMMUNITY TO LIVE THERE.

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SOME, MOST PEOPLE DON'T DO IT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.

YOU DO ONLY HAVE TO HAVE, YOU DON'T ONLY HAVE TO HAVE THE LANDSCAPING MAINTAINED.

UM, SO WE, WE ARE MORE OF A LIFESTYLE BUILDER.

WE, WE END UP SELLING, UH, UH, FORTUNATELY MORE THAN MOST BUILDERS, MAYBE 10% ABOVE PREMIUM FOR OUR FINISHED LEVELS.

BUT WE REALLY ATTRACTED DIFFERENT BUILDERS.

IT IS A LIFESTYLE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF.

DOWNTOWN HAS BEEN THE LOCKUP AND LEAD BUILDER.

WE ALSO HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUNG PROFESSIONALS.

WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF, UM, SINGLE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST LIFESTYLES CHANGED.

THEY WANT TO COME IN AND CUT THE GRASS.

THEY DON'T WANNA MAINTAIN A YARD.

THEY WANT TO COME IN AND LEAVE AND GO TO THE RESTAURANT, MEET FRIENDS OR WHATEVER.

THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THOSE THINGS THAT YOU END UP DOING WITH A YARD OR MAINTENANCE.

AND SO WE PROVIDE A LOT OF THAT STUFF IN THE, IN THE ASSOCIATION.

THANK YOU COUNCILMAN REEVES.

I'M GLAD COUNCILMAN BRADY BROUGHT UP WHO'S, WHO'S THE BUYER.

I THINK THERE, I THINK THERE, THERE ARE BUYERS OBVIOUSLY IN THAT, IN THAT MARKET.

AND I THINK THE TOWN HOMES ARE EASIER TO GET FINANCE BECAUSE THE LAND IS EXPENSIVE UP HERE.

WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LIKE BEACH BRENT IN SOME OF OUR AREAS UP HERE IN ALFREDA.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S A LIMIT ON THAT.

AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE ALL HEARING PROBABLY AROUND TOWN WITH EVERYBODY SAYING, WOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TOWN HOMES THERE.

YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE ARE A LOT OF TOWN HOMES.

YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT COSTS AND, BUT, BUT I THINK WE THINK THAT'S THE SWEET SPOT IF WE CAN STAY IN THAT SPOT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF TOWN HOMES.

AND I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF CAPACITY LIMIT FOR THE DEMAND FOR A PARTICULAR PRODUCT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I KNOW THAT I AS A COUNCIL ACTUALLY STRUGGLE WITH.

I DON'T HAVE A MAGIC EIGHT BALL, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS.

SO WE'RE PLAYING A GUESSING GAME, BUT DON'T WANNA BE ON THE WRONG END OF THAT AND BUILD TO ONE PRODUCT.

NO, I THINK ALPHARETTA IS FACING THE SAME THING.

EVERY SMALL COMMUNITY AND, UH, ATLANTA FACING, BECAUSE SUWANEE, DULUTH, JOHNS CREEK, UM, THE BENEFIT OF TOWN HOMES IS THERE'S NOT BIG LAND P PIECES IN LEFT.

AND TOWN HOMES CAN FIT THINGS BETTER AND WORK OUT BETTER THAN, THAN UM, OTHER USES.

UM, BUT I THINK, I THINK YOUR STAFF AND YOUR DEPARTMENT'S DONE A GREAT JOB BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS UNIQUE THERE.

YOU DON'T, YOU CAN DRIVE BY AND LOOK AT EACH TOWN HOME AND THEY JUST DON'T ALL RUN TOGETHER.

JUST ABOUT EVERY COMMUNITY WE'VE DONE HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON THE ARCHITECTURE LIKE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE NEVER BUILT THIS IN ALPHARETTA.

AND I THINK THIS IS WHY THIS WILL BE SPECIAL IN ALPHARETTA BECAUSE IT VARIES.

IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE STREETSCAPE OF REGULAR TOWNS.

SO I DO THINK IT, IT IS GOING ON, BUT I DO THINK THERE IS ONLY A FEW OPPORTUNITIES IN OFFICE BUILDINGS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE COULD DO WITH IT ON OUR SIDE.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN LOOKED AT FROM, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY AND OTHER USES.

UM, BUT I, I DO THINK, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, UM, IT'S LIKE THIS WEEK WE SOLD THREE TOWN HOMES AND NOW FOR THIS WEEK.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE STILL THINK IT'S A GREAT MARKET.

WE STILL THINK IT'S BESTED.

BUT IF YOU, YEAH, IF YOU GET OVER FLOODED WITH TOO MANY THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME, BUT YOU NEED TO BE DIFFERENT.

AND I THINK THIS IS DIFFERENT ENOUGH THAN WHAT HOPEFULLY YOU PROVE ANYBODY ELSE'S.

SO THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COUNCILMAN DORITO, MRS. ALI, UH, I ECHO MY FELLOW COUNCILMAN FOR THANKING YOU FOR INVESTING IN OUR CITY.

YOU DO A GREAT JOB, YOUR COMPANY.

SO, UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT'S THE, WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO PREDICT THE FUTURE HERE ON PRICE, THE PRICING MODEL.

WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE PRICE OF THESE TOWN HOMES YOU THINK? UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT UNITS IN THE BUILDING, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO GET A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPE AND YOU CAN DO THAT IN ONE BUILDING WITHOUT BUILDING THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AND, AND TRY TO BLEND IT IN AT THE END, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO THE UM, THE 18 FOOT UNITS AROUND 2100 FEET, THE 20 FOOT, UH, UNITS WHICH ARE IN THE MIDDLE ABOUT 2250.

AND THEN THE, THE UNITS ON THE END ARE ABOUT 2,500 WITH AN ELEVATOR, UH, ACCESSIBILITY.

SO YOU GOT A END UNIT, WHICH NORMALLY YOUR PREMIUM UNIT CAN, YOU CAN ADD AN ELEVATOR, WHICH IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND IT BRINGS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BUYERS.

UM, AND THEN THE, AND THE INTERIOR UNITS NORMALLY WOULD BRING BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER PRICE.

UM, BUT, BUT I THINK WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE, WE ALWAYS SAY THIS AND IT'S ALWAYS ENDS UP BEING MORE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOVE TO BE IN THE HIGH SIX HUNDREDS STARTING OUT, UM, AND STAY BELOW 700.

BUT,

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AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE I'M STAYING, 'CAUSE I, I, I KEEP AN EYE ON THE MARKETPLACE.

MY DAUGHTER JUST INVESTED IN A TOWN HOME AND, UM, I'M ALMOST SEEING THE, THE TOWN HOME, THE VALUES OF THE TOWN HOME KIND OF LEVEL OFF BECAUSE AS, AS BEEN POINTED OUT, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW TOWN HOMES IN THE CITY AND A LOT OF THEM ARE TURNING OVER AND, AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE, UM, THE VALUE OF THOSE TOWN HOMES ACTUALLY DIMINISH A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH COMPETITION IN THE TOWN HOME MARKETPLACE.

UM, AND I THROW THAT OUT THERE 'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE BECAUSE EVENTUALLY IT'LL START ERODING INTO ALL OUR HOMES IN ALPHARETTA WHERE IT COULD, YOU KNOW, PUSH DOWN THE VALUE OF OUR HOME.

SO IT IT, IT'S SUCH A SENSITIVE BALANCE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TOWN HOMES IS TOO MANY FOR THE CITY, HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF DIFFERENT HOUSING COMPONENTS ARE TOO MUCH.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY THE MARKET WORKS.

YOU KNOW, JUST GOTTA HOPE.

I I, THAT'S WHY I ASK 'CAUSE I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD TELL YOU THOUGH, I MEAN WE, WE, WE COMPETE AGAINST OUR OWN HOUSES THAT WE BUILT, YOU KNOW, IN JOHNS CREEK HERE.

AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, A HOUSE FIVE YEARS AGO IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT HOUSE BUILT TODAY.

UM, THE AMOUNT OF FINISHES WHAT YOU CAN DO AND, AND SOME PEOPLE WANT A NEW HOME.

THEY DON'T WANT TO GO FIX UP AN OLDER HOME.

AND, AND ANYTHING THAT WE BUILD, THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT IS GONNA BE HIGHER TODAY THAN ANYTHING THAT'S RESELL IN THE AREA.

THAT'S NORMAL.

UM, BUT, BUT THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST WANT NEW HOMES AND THERE'S, BETWEEN THE FINISH LEVELS, THE, YOU KNOW, CORIAN COUNTERTOPS, LIGHTING, TILE, THERE'S THESE NEW HARDWOOD FLOORS ARE UNBELIEVABLE.

I MEAN, THE OLDER TOWN HOMES THAT HAD WOOD FLOORS, NOBODY REALLY CARES FOR THAT TODAY.

THEY WANT THESE PLANKS AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT COLORS.

SO IT'S UNIQUE WHAT YOU CAN DO IN A HOUSE TODAY THAT YOU COULDN'T DO IN A HOUSE THAT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO.

AND I KNOW, AND AND I, I SAY THIS ALMOST AS ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE DONE IN PREVIOUS COUNCILS AND PLANNING COMMISSIONS.

UM, WE BUILT OUT A CITY TODAY THAT WE'RE SITTING IN TONIGHT THAT HAS ALMOST ATTRACTED PEOPLE TO INVEST HERE THAT MAINTAINS A HIGH LEVEL OF VALUES IN OUR HOMES.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN.

THAT'S WHAT WE ASK THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK.

'CAUSE UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ONLY THE TYPE OF HOMES WE APPROVED TO GET BUILT HERE, BUT IT'S A COMBINATION OF MULTI-USE AREAS WITH THE CITY IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT.

AND IT'S ALSO MAINTAINING A HIGH LEVEL OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS, UH, PLAY A BIG, UH, AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT PLAY INTO THIS.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE HOUSING COMPONENTS, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT, SO I KEEP A, AN EYE ON THE HOUSING BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE SO IMPORTANT TO KIND OF MAINTAIN THE QUALITY AND THE LEVEL OF OF, OF, OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE LIVE IN TODAY.

AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THE DECISIONS WE MAKE CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THE VALUES OF THE HOMES THAT PEOPLE HAVE INVESTED IN OVER, OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR 10 YEARS.

SO, BUT THANK YOU.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.

HOW MUCH ARE YOU HAVING TO PAY FOR AN ACRE ON THE PROPERTY? I'M SORRY? HOW MUCH PER ACRE ARE YOU PAYING FOR THE PROPERTY YOU'RE PURCHASING? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SAY THAT I'M BUYING IT FROM PORTMAN, BUT IT'S EXPENSIVE 'CAUSE IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING.

YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT.

NOT PER, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL PRICE IS, BUT NOT A PER ACRE PRICE.

I HAVEN'T DONE THE MATH.

WELL ALSO JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, UH, MR. JOHNSON, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO ESTABLISH WHY IT'S DIFFICULT TO BUILD A PRODUCT OTHER THAN TOWN HOMES.

I MEAN IT, IF THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS, WE WOULD LOOK AT IT.

I WOULD, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A SHORTAGE, A SINGLE FAMILY IN ALL MARKETS.

'CAUSE IT'S HARD, SO HARD TO DO.

BUT, BUT YOU GOTTA REMEMBER SOMEBODY BUYING A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT'S 800,000 TO A MILLION.

THEY CAN OUT BUY ANYTHING WHERE THEY WANT AND THERE'S SO MANY OTHER PLACES THEY CAN BUY.

AND SO, UM, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS ARE THE PROBLEM.

NOT AS MUCH AS THE LAND COST TODAY.

WHEN YOU DO ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE AND, YOU KNOW, BACK A COUPLE YEARS AGO, 10 YEARS AGO, IT COST $50,000 A LOT JUST THE DEVELOPMENT COST PER LOT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS OVER 150,000 TO $200,000 A LOT JUST IN DEVELOPMENT COSTS AFTER THE LAND.

AND SO IT'S NOT ONLY THE LAND COST, THE, SOME OF THE LAND IS ACTUALLY CHEAPER THAN WE PAID YEARS AGO.

IT'S, IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT COST, ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL THE PIPE PAVING, NONE OF THAT STUFF'S GONE DOWN AT ALL.

IT'S ACTUALLY GONE UP,

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YOU KNOW? RIGHT.

AND, AND, AND I JUST ASKED BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO GET A NUMBER.

SO AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A CERTAIN PRODUCT IN CERTAIN AREAS, RIGHT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL THAT WE HAD DATA TO, WELL, I WOULD THINK, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT DIDN'T HAVE A, AN ASSET ON IT, LIKE A BUILDING LIKE THIS WOULD BE A LOT CHEAPER PER ACRE THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING JUST BECAUSE THIS HAS AN ASSET INCOME FOR PRODUCING PROPERTY.

IT'S NOT ONLY LEASED UP, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAD TO, TO BUY THAT AND BUILD THAT AS THE STAND NUMBER, YOU KNOW? OKAY.

FAIR ENOUGH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANKS, SIR.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? NO, SIR, WE DO NOT.

HOWEVER, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM, NOW IS YOUR CHANCE TO DO SO.

I SEE NONE.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS IN OPPOSITION? NO, SIR, WE DO NOT.

HOWEVER, IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION NOW IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE COMING FORWARD IN PUBLIC.

SO, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL? YES, SIR.

MR. MAYOR, OFFER, OFFER A MOTION THIS EVENING TO APPROVE MP DASH 26 DASH ZERO THREE SLASH CP DASH 26 DASH ZERO ONE SLASH Z DASH 26 DASH ZERO ONE SLASH CU DASH TWO SIX DASH ZERO FIVE SLASH V DASH 26 DASH ZERO TWO TPG BROOKSIDE WEST TO APPROVE IT, INCLUDING THE CONDITIONS PRESENTED BY STAFF.

MAY I ASK A CLARIFICATION BEFORE YOU CALL FOR THE VOTE? WOULD THAT YES, YOU MAY.

YOU'RE THE ATTORNEY.

UM, COUNCILMAN MERKEL, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE REVISION TO CONDITION FIVE TO SPECIFICALLY REFERENCE EXHIBIT A INSTEAD OF THE SUBMITTED RENDER? YES.

I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY INCLUDED.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS EXPLICITLY INCLUDED FOR PURPOSES OF THE MINUTES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO WE HAD A MOTION BY MAYOR PROTE.

SECOND WAS COUNCILMAN RITO.

I AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL AT THE END.

COUNCIL BROUGHT UP ANY DISCUSSION.

COUNCILWOMAN REEVES, THIS DOES NOT EXPLICITLY SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.

IT DOES NOT, UM, IT DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY TO GO THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.

AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT THAT GOING THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW BOARD WOULD BE GOOD.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IS TO ADD CONDITION NUMBER 28, THAT THIS PROJECT IS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.

DO YOU ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR CLARITY BEFORE YOU ANSWER IT? I THINK IT WOULD BE CONDITION 29.

PARDON? OH, 29, NOT 28.

YEAH, 28.

MY BAD TYPO.

I THINK STAFF COULD ACTUALLY BE A STRONGER ARM, BUT IF YOU'RE INSISTENT, THEN I WOULD ACCEPT 29.

I WOULD AGREE.

SO THAT'S A YES.

YEAH, I ACCEPT.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.

COUNT MAYOR PRO, TIM.

'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE WORKING ON A LOT OF, UH, FEELINGS.

UM, YEAH, TOWN HOMES OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT TOWN HOMES.

TOWN HOMES.

YOU DO HAVE SOME VOCAL PEOPLE AND I GET THAT AND I UNDERSTAND IT.

AND SOME PEOPLE, UM, I THINK WE TEND TO THINK OF IT AS, I DON'T WANNA LIVE IN A TOWN HOME.

'CAUSE I DON'T, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE IS MAKING MY LIFE DECISIONS IF I WIND UP IN A TOWN HOME.

SO, UH, I HAVE THE, THE, THE LUXURY OF WHAT, UH, THE APPLICANT MENTIONED THE HOUSE WAS BUILT 25 YEARS AGO, HALF AN ACRE, MORE GRASS THAN I LIKE TO PAY TO HAVE CUT, UH, LEAVES THAT JUST NEVER SEEMED TO STOP.

UM, YEAH, UH, JUST REPLACED ANOTHER ONE OF THE THREE AIR CONDITIONERS.

UM, THAT APPEAL WAS THERE AND, AND MY ADULT CHILDREN IN THEIR TWENTIES AND THIRTIES, THE YOUNGEST ONE IS IN ONE, AND THE OLDEST ONE'S ABOUT TO GET IN ONE.

AND THEY ARE, THEY'RE BEING PRESENTED WITH THE SAME PRINCIPLES OF YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, MAINTAIN THE YARD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE, THE POOL POOL HOUSE.

IT IS A TURN AND GO FOR THEM.

IT'S THEIR CHANCE TO GET INTO HOME OWNERSHIP AND FRANKLY, THEIR LIFESTYLES TELL THEM THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME THAT DAD HAD TO SPEND ALL DAY SATURDAY IN THE YARD, UH, OR FIXING STUFF IN THE COMMON AREAS.

SO I'M GETTING CAUGHT UP WITH THE MARKETPLACE.

I I HAVEN'T PERSONALLY, YOU SAID YOU DID SOME RESEARCH.

I HAVEN'T.

I'M GOING TO, UM, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THERE COULD BE A TIPPING POINT.

UM, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP AN EYE ON ON WHAT THAT IS.

I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINE IT.

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AND THAT'S, I'M THE SAME WAY I DRIVE BY A TON OF 'EM.

UM, WE TALK ABOUT DENSITY WITH, YOU MENTIONED KIMBALL BRIDGE.

KIMBALL BRIDGE HAS A LOT OF DENSITY.

WE'VE GOT TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

WE'VE GOT A TOWN HOME COMMUNITY, AND I SEE WHAT IT DOES.

AND, AND SO MONITORING THAT AS WELL IS IMPORTANT.

THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS SCENARIO IS WE'RE GETTING READY TO ADD TWO MORE LANES TO OLD MILTON PARKWAY, WHICH IS POSITIVE TO HANDLE THE LOAD.

YET AGAIN, AS COUNCILMAN RES MENTIONED, HOW'S THAT GONNA HINDER PEOPLE FROM CROSSING THE STREET BACK AND FORTH AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING THE AMENITIES OF BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

SO, UM, WITH THE FACT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR FIVE YEARS, AND, AND, AND HONESTLY, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, KATHY WILL TELL YOU WE DIDN'T GET MUCH SUPPORT.

IT WASN'T, I MEAN, WELL, WE, WE, WE TRIED BEFORE THAT.

AND THEN COVID HIT, AND THEN AFTER COVID, THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? MAYBE WE NEED TO RE-LOOK AT THIS.

AND I THINK STAFF'S DONE AN AMAZING JOB REACHING OUT TO THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS TO SAY, HEY, IF WE WANTED TO REDO SOMETHING IN HERE AND WE WANTED TO HAVE IT LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE WORK.

WE ACTUALLY APPARENTLY HAVE TOO MUCH WORK.

UM, WHAT WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? AND SO AGAIN, WITH THE PORTMAN PROJECT WORKING, UH, IN, IN CANON HAND TO SOME DEGREE WITH GEORGIA STATE, UH, THE PROVIDENCE GROUP, PEOPLE WORKING WITH GEORGIA STATE BEING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, UH, I THINK THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, AND IT COULD BE A RARE EXAMPLE OF, OF A TRUE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITHOUT THE PUB, WITHOUT THE PRIVATE OR THE PUBLIC PUTTING IN THEIR MONEY.

UH, YOU MENTIONED THE, UH, LANE DIET.

UH, IF THAT WAS MANDATORY RIGHT NOW, I WOULD NOT, I WOULD NOT APPROVE THAT.

UH, LET IT GROW UP AND SEE WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.

AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IF COUNCIL SEES FIT TO SPEND MONEY, UH, TO ENHANCE OR CHANGE THAT EXPERIENCE, LET IT HAPPEN AT THAT POINT.

BUT I DON'T THINK, UH, 104 TOWN HOMES, UH, IS GONNA HAVE THAT BIG OF EFFECT ON IT.

AND YOU DO GET THE EXPANDED SIDEWALKS, AT LEAST THAT SECTION RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THAT PROJECT TAKEN CARE OF.

SO, UH, I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THIS THING.

I THINK IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY COOL.

AND I JUST KNOW, UH, THAT BETWEEN STAFF AND DRB, THEY WILL GET THE ARCHITECTURE RIGHT.

BUT THIS, THIS, I'D BE SILLY NOT TO LOOK AT IT AS A GLOBAL IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY.

COUNCILMAN DORITO, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I ECHO THE MAYOR PROM'S COMMENTS.

UH, UM, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AS WELL.

IT, IT'S ONE COMPONENT AND A LOT OF HARD WORK BY THE MAYOR AND PRE AND THE, THE STAFF AND, AND MAYOR PROM.

I KNOW HE WAS REACTIVE AND, AND HELPING DRIVE THIS WHOLE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA.

UM, AND IT'S EXCITING TO SEE IT KIND OF COME TO FRUITION.

UM, AND, UH, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN ALL THESE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE COME TOGETHER, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT A, A VERY REVITALIZED AREA.

THE CITY IS IN DIRE NEED OF THAT.

AND NOT ONLY THAT, IT'LL BE VERY WALKABLE.

THERE'LL BE MORE RETAIL OPPOR, UH, RESTAURANT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES AND, AND, AND ACCESS TO THE, TO THE PARK THAT THE CITY HAS BACK THERE WITH THE NICE WATER FEATURE THERE.

UM, IT, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE SOMETHING TO LOOK BACK ON YEARS TO COME AND, AND KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S SITTING UP ON THIS DAY IS, UM, IS AT LEAST PART OF A, A LITTLE PIECE OF, OF MAKING THIS HAPPEN.

SO, UM, I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT AND I WISH THE PROVIDENCE GROUP, ALONG WITH PORTLAND, UH, A LOT OF SUCCESS AND, UH, HOPE TO SEE IT HAPPEN SOONER THAN LATER.

SO, THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN REEVES.

I THINK THAT WE ARE AT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE NOT AT THAT TIPPING POINT, WE'RE PERILOUSLY CLOSE TO THAT TIPPING POINT ON THE SAME PRODUCT COMING AGAIN AND AGAIN.

AND HOWEVER, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND LOOK AT THE UNIQUE ASPECTS OF IT.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME, SOME RECREATIONAL, UM, OPPORTUNITIES BACK THERE WITH THE WATER FEATURE THAT ON LAND THE CITY OWNS THAT GOES TO GREENWAY.

THAT THAT IT MAKES IT A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION.

UM, IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT IN TOTAL, THE WHOLE PROJECT AND THE FACT THAT GEORGIA STATE THERE IS A UNIQUE THING.

ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NO COMMITMENTS FROM GEORGIA STATE THAT THEY'RE GONNA ADD ANY ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMING.

HOPE THEY DO.

UM, I DO THINK IT'S A UNIQUE, A UNIQUE CASE.

I'M GLAD THAT COUNCILMAN BRADY FOCUSED ON THE ARCHITECTURE.

I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT EVERYTHING IS TOP NOTCH.

UM, AND, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A BROOKSIDE ON EVERY OTHER BLOCK OR WE'LL DESTROY WHAT WE HAVE.

I WANT, I WANT EVERYTHING THAT WE, THAT WE ALREADY HAVE OR THAT WE DECIDE TO BUILD AS A COUNCIL.

WE SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA APPROVE IT AND GREEN LIGHT SOMETHING.

I WANT IT TO HAVE THE BEST CHANCE FOR SUCCESS.

AND THAT MEANS NOT OVERDOING ANYTHING.

AND I THINK THAT'S A HARD THING TO DO, AND IT'S A HARD PLACE TO FIND THAT LINE.

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AND I DO THINK IT'S UNIQUE FOR THOSE REASONS.

COUNCILMAN HYPES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO WEIGH IN ON THIS.

I, YOU KNOW, ALPHARETTA IS REALLY SPECIAL.

AND THIS TO ME IS ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT MAKES ALPHARETTA SPECIAL.

WE DON'T SIT BACK AND WAIT, BUT WHETHER RATHER WE LEAN IN AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN, UH, OUR, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS UP HERE MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.

OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MAKES THINGS HAPPEN.

UH, THERE'S A FEW OF MY BRETHREN AND SISTERS UP HERE WHO HAVE HEARD ME SAY A NUMBER OF TIMES.

I HAD MY OFFICE, UH, FOR NINE YEARS AT BROOKSIDE TOO.

AND I LIVED RIGHT UP THE ROAD OFF OF PARK BRIDGE.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BETTER PART OF TWO DECADES, THAT WAS JUST A BROOKSIDE WAS JUST A BIG OFFICE PARK SURROUNDED BY A SEA OF ASPHALT AND UBIQUITOUS FOUR AND FIVE STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT WENT INTO DECLINE AND FURTHER DECLINE.

AND, UH, PEOPLE MOVED OUT.

AND THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, UH, FOR THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS, UH, WAS, WAS SOMEWHAT DIM.

AND WE DID WHAT ALPHARETTA DOES.

WE LOOKED AT SOMETHING THAT HAD SOME NATURAL RESOURCES ATTACHED TO IT, AND WE'RE TAKING SEAS OF ASPHALT AND DECLINING OFFICE BUILDINGS, AND WE'RE TURNING IT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, A FREESTANDING NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH THIS PRODUCT IS.

IT'S, IT'S THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A PARK THAT'S GOING TO BE USED.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A COLLEGE CAMPUS THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S GOING TO HAVE RETAIL AND A PLACES TO LIVE AND TO WORK.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BROOKSIDE EAST, WHICH IS ANOTHER PROVIDENCE GROUP, IS GOING TO BE A PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS WAS AN OFFICE PARK THAT'S TURNING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THIS WAS THAT.

THIS IS WHAT ALPHARETTA DOES BEST, WHICH MAKES ME REALLY PROUD TO LIVE HERE.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVERY SITUATION IN MY MIND NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, UH, FOR, UH, THE UNIQUE QUALITIES OF WHAT IT IS.

IF, AS MR. JOLLY SAID, IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING RAW LAND, YOU'VE GOT ONE, UH, DEVELOPMENT COST.

BUT IF YOU'RE HAVING TO TEAR DOWN AN OFFICE BUILDING AND TEAR UP ASPHALT, UH, AND PUT IN INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE YOU EVER GET BACK TO PAR, WHERE RAW LAND WOULD BE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT COST.

AND SO IF, IF TO DO THINGS THAT ALPHARETTA WANTS TO DO TO TURN AN OFFICE PARK INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S REALLY ONLY A COUPLE OF PRODUCTS THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT THERE.

AND I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT, WHICH TO COMMENTS MADE, UH, PREVIOUSLY, WHICH MAKES THIS A RATHER UNIQUE PROJECT.

SO, UM, UH, I VERY GREATLY APPRECIATE, UH, Y'ALL MAKING THIS ANOTHER GREAT PROVIDENCE, UH, PRODUCT.

UH, ASSUMING IT PASSES, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE VOTE WILL GO, BUT, UH, UM, AS ALWAYS, UH, UH, APPRECIATE YOU BEING A PART OF ALPHARETTA AND, AND MAKING US WHAT WE ARE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

SO I THINK ALL OF YOU HAVE MADE SOME PRETTY GOOD POINTS.

I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THOSE POINTS.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT ZONING CASES LIKE THIS, I'M NOT LOOKING AT JUST THE PROJECT ITSELF, WHAT TYPE OF PROJECT IT IS.

I'M LOOKING FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND I, I THINK IS, IT'S ALREADY BEEN POINTED OUT, THIS IS A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD ENVIRONMENT.

THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT ASSETS TO MAKE THIS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE AND FAMILIES WANT TO BE.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A CRITICAL PART OF ANY OF THE DECISIONS WE MAKE UP HERE IS WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE IN 30 OR 40 YEARS.

AND IT'S, I WAS ALWAYS SKEPTICAL OF THE IMPACT OF ARCHITECTURE UNTIL OUR PRICES WENT FROM AN AVERAGE OF 350,000 TO ABOUT 850,000.

BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND, GOING BACK TO THE PRODUCT, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO TOWN HOMES.

UM, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE THAT DON'T WANT DENSITY AND THEY DON'T WANT TOWN HOMES.

AND, AND SOME OF THAT I THINK IS JUST A REACTION TO THE CHANGE, THE CHANGE THAT ALPHARETTA HAS GONE THROUGH OVER THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS.

AND SOME OF THAT IS RESPONSIBLE

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FROM THE DECISIONS WE MAKE ON THIS DIET.

AND SOME OF THAT IS JUST THE WORLD HAS CHANGED SO MUCH.

YOU, YOU KNOW, WHO WOULD'VE BELIEVED 10 YEARS AGO THAT PEOPLE WERE GONNA SELL THEIR MANSIONS IN BUCKHEAD BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE ENVIRONMENT HERE SO MUCH THAT THEY WERE GONNA BUY A 1950S RANCH HOUSE AND TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD THEIR MANSION HERE BECAUSE IT'S A SAFER PLACE WITH A GREAT COMMUNITY AND A LOT OF AMENITIES HERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I ALSO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING BUILT IN ALPHARETTA THAT ARE THREE STORY HOMES AND PEOPLE ASSUME THEY'RE TOWN HOMES.

A LOT OF THE PROJECT THAT'S BEEN BUILT ON THOMPSON STREET IS TOWN HOMES.

THERE'S A LOT OF THE NEWER ONES THAT AREN'T, 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

IT'S JUST BECAUSE THE DIRT'S SO DANG EXPENSIVE TO GET THE AMENITIES AND THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS THEY WANT.

THEY'RE GOING UP TO A THIRD FLOOR.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE A TOWN HOME TO PEOPLE AND THEY'RE JUST HAVING TO PAY TO PUT A ELEVATOR IN IF THEY'RE MY AGE.

UM, SO I, I THINK THERE IS SOME OF THAT AND A LOT OF THAT'S JUST COMMUNICATION AND WE TRY TO DO A BETTER JOB, BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MANY THINGS WE CAN DO WHEN WE ARE HEMMED IN BY GEOGRAPHY.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHERE WE FOCUS OUR RESOURCES AND OUR DECISIONS ON THINGS LIKE THIS.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT ALL COMES BACK TO IT.

ARE WE CREATING GREAT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO MAKE ALPHARETTA A GREAT CITY? IT'S THAT BALANCE.

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T PROVIDE ENOUGH HOUSING, WE'RE ALSO GONNA MAKE IT HARDER TO FILL THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS BACK UP.

AND NOT ALL OF THAT CAN BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND NOT ALL OF IT CAN BE TOWN HOMES.

BUT WE'VE GOTTA BE THOUGHTFUL AS LEADERS IN THIS ORGANIZATION, IN THIS COMMUNITY.

HOW DO WE BALANCE ALL OF THAT TO KEEP ALPHARETTA THE GREAT CITY THAT IT'S SO, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION.

I APPRECIATE YOUR INVESTMENTS IN THE CITY AND I I WITH THAT, WE'LL SAY, LET'S VOTE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

PLEASE VOTE YES.

OTHERWISE VOTE NO.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE, UM, IF YOU'RE WORKING FROM THE PRINTED AGENDA, THE ALCOHOL ORDINANCE TEXT AMENDMENTS HAS BEEN DEFERRED.

CONGRATULATIONS.

[C. Ordinance: Alcohol Ordinance Text Amendments
DEFERRED: This item has been deferred by staff to the June 1, 2026 City Council meeting and will not be considered at this meeting.
Consideration of an Ordinance to amend Chapter 4 of the Code of the City of Alpharetta, referred to as Alcoholic Beverages, to amend the provisions related to definitions; inspections of licensed establishments; condition of premises; licensing qualifications; excise taxes; renewal of licenses; transfer of licenses; purchases from wholesalers; revocation, suspension or other penalties; hearing and appeal procedures; hours of sale; and for other purposes.]

SO THAT WON'T BE HEARD THIS EVENING.

NEW BUSINESS.

PARDON? SO THIS IS

[A. Resolution: Revised Employee Manual and Benefits Handbook
Consideration and approval of a Resolution adopting the revised Employee Manual and Benefits Handbook.]

NEW BUSINESS, THE RESOLUTION FOR THE REVISED EMPLOYEE MANUAL BENEFITS HANDBOOK, A RESOLUTION FOR THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ALFREDA, GEORGIA, ADOPTING REVISED EMPLOYEE MANUAL AND BENEFITS HANDBOOK.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MS. RANDALL, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL.

AND I COULD NOT MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY MAY THE FOURTH TO YOU ALL BE WITH YOU TODAY.

SO THE NEXT ITEM FOR YOUR, UH, CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL IS THE, UH, UPDATES TO THE HANDBOOK.

AND THE UPDATES ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE CLARITY, CONSISTENCY, AND A EASE OF LANGUAGE INTERPRETATION THROUGHOUT THE HANDBOOK.

UM, YOU RECEIVE IN YOUR PACKET, THE RED LINE, UH, VERSION, AND MOST OF THE UPDATES YOU RECEIVE IS CONCENTRATED INTO THE COMMUNICATION SECTION OF THE HANDBOOK, WHICH WE ARE INCORPORATING WITH IT POLICIES IN THERE, WHICH INCORPORATES ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGY POLICIES RELATED TO SYSTEMS USE, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, CYBERSECURITY, AND SOCIAL MEDIA THAT THEY'RE EVER CHANGING.

UM, THE IT POLICIES ARE MAINTAINED BY THE IT DEPARTMENT, WHICH ARE THE EXPERTS IN, IN, IN THE, UH, THAT CATEGORY IN THE UPDATES, INTEGRATE THEM TO THE HANDBOOK FRAMEWORK WHILE MAINTAINING THEM AS A SEPARATE OPERATIONAL, UH, MANAGED POLICY BY IT.

ANOTHER, UM, ONE OF THE REVISIONS ALSO TO INCLUDE SOME UPDATES OF THE WORKPLACE CONDUCT, UH, TO REINFORCE RESPECTFUL, UH, WORKPLACE AND APPROPRIATE BEHAVIORS, EXPECTATIONS ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.

UM, ADDITIONAL REVISIONS RELATE TO THE PREGNANT WORKERS' FAIRNESS ACT.

THAT'S A FEDERAL LAW THAT GOT INTO, UH, EFFECTIVE 2023.

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WE HAVE BEEN OBVIOUSLY, UH, ABIDING BY, BY THE LAW, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO INCORPORATE TO THE HANDBOOK AS WE DO WITH THE FMLA AND SOME, SOME OTHER ACCOMMODATIONS.

UM, THE UPDATES ALSO INCLUDE A RECOMMENDATION FOR OUR RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION ENHANCEMENT BY EXTENDING THE TWO WEEKS OF PAID TIME OFF PTO TO ALL NEW HIRES IN ALL POSITIONS.

CURRENTLY SINCE 2019, WE HAVE BEEN PROVIDING THAT TO POLICE OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS, AND 9 1 1 COMMUNICATIONS.

AND THIS CHANGE IS INTENDED NOT ONLY TO SUPPORT EQUITY ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION, BUT ALSO TO CONTINUE TO HELP US TO, TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN, UM, UH, TALENT AT A VERY TIGHT LABOR MARKET.

IT HAS BEEN, UM, AS YOU CAN KNOW, UM, CAN LOOK AT AT, UM, UH, THE NEW LABOR MARKET.

IT'S A VERY TIGHT LABOR MARKET.

AND WHENEVER WE TRY TO RECRUIT TALENTED INDIVIDUALS, ESPECIALLY IN A PROFESSIONAL WORLD, SO THOSE ARE INCENTIVES THAT ARE MAKING OR BREAKING THE, THE DECISION FOR THEM TO START AN ORGANIZATION.

THEY CAN START WITH NO PTO OR WITH SOME PTO.

UM, AND JUST FOR, FOR A REFERENCE, THE, THE INCENTIVES OF TWO WEEKS OF PT UPON HIRE THAT WE GIVE TO PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT EQUATES TO ALMOST 70% OF THE INCENTIVES THAT WE ALREADY BEEN GIVEN.

SO LIKE IN, IN 2025, WE ONBOARDED 54 EMPLOYEES AND 70% OF THOSE 39 EMPLOYEES WERE ALREADY RECEIVING THAT BENEFIT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO THE MAJORITY OF THE NEW HIRES ARE ALREADY GETTING THAT.

SO WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR, TO EXTEND THAT TO ALL OF THE OTHER POSITIONS TO CONTINUE TO HELP US TO WITH RECRUITMENT.

UH, ANO ANOTHER ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENT TO PTO IS THE INCREASE OF THE ANNUAL CARRY FORWARD BALANCE, UM, BY, UM, A SMALL INCREASE OF TWO DAYS.

THIS, IT'S IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES DO CURRENTLY.

FOR EMPLOYEES WORKING 40 HOURS A WEEK, THEY CAN CARRY FORWARD TO 140 HOURS OF PTO TO THE NEXT YEAR.

AND WE ARE ASKING TO INCREASE TO 256.

IT'S JUST A MODEST INCREASE SO WE CAN KEEP UP WITH, WITH, UH, OUR COMPETITORS COMMUNITIES.

UH, THE FISCAL IMPACT FOR THIS CHANGE IS WE ARE ESTIMATING HIGH HERE.

IT'S A $14,000 ANNUALLY BECAUSE PTO IS OWE TO THE EMPLOYEES UPON SEPARATION.

BUT THE ESTIMATE IS DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF SEPARATIONS, AND IT DOES NOT IMPACT THE PENSION FUND.

'CAUSE THE PENSION FUND IS STILL AT THE 240.

UH, WE ARE JUST MAKING THE CHANGES OF THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK.

UH, ALSO FOR YOUR REFERENCE IN 2025, WE HAD 40 SEPARATIONS OF EMPLOYMENT.

OUT OF THOSE 20 WERE EMPLOYEES WITH LESS THAN FOUR YEARS OF TENURE, AND 14 WERE WITH LESS THAN TWO YEARS OF TENURE.

SO MOST LIKELY NONE OF THOSE EMPLOYEES ACCRUE ENOUGH TO EVEN GAP TO THAT POINT OF, UH, GETTING CLOSE TO THE MAXIMUM.

SO OVERALL, ALL OF THE MAJORITY OF THE OTHER CHANGES ARE IN FORMATTING OR OPERATIONAL IN NATURE AND DO NOT NEED ANY CHANGE IN EXISTING POLICY DIRECTIONS.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT ANY OF THOSE UPDATES.

COUNCILMAN HEIGHTS.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AT THE TOP OF, UH, PAGE 180 3.

THERE'S A CHANGE, UH, ABOUT, UH, ADDING NEW POSITIONS TO PAY PLAN AND THE CHANGES ALL NEW POSITIONS CAUSING INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF APPROVED POSITIONS, FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT, UH, IN THE CITY'S POSITION.

CON CONTROL MUST BE APPROVED BY MAYOR AND COUNCIL WITH, ARE WE DOING THAT NOW? YES.

WHERE WE APPROVE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, ALL OF THE NEW POSITIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.

SO ANY CHANGE IN THE BUDGET WITHIN, UH, A, A DIRECTOR'S BUDGETARY AREA, IF, IF THAT DIRECTOR IS SEEKING ADDITIONAL MONEY, THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MAY BE A REQUEST OF COUNCIL.

I I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND I, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS WAS, ARE WE APPROVING ADDITIONAL MONEY OR ARE WE APPROVING A POSITION? UM, ALL NEW POSITIONS CAUSING AN INCREASE, YADA YADA MUST BE APPROVED BY MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

AND SO I DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO WORDSMITH IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS SOMETHING NEW THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL BE COMING TO COUNCIL AND SAY, WELL, YOU APPROVE THIS NEW POSITION FOR US.

I, I, I, I VIEW THAT AS WHAT THE DIRECTOR AND CITY ADMINISTRATOR DOES.

HAS TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS, THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS WITH THEM.

THIS WAS JUST TO CLARIFY THE POLICY, JUST TO REALLY TO REITERATE THAT ALL OF THE POSITIONS

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IT, IT'S COUNCIL MAYOR APPROVAL.

SO TO PARAPHRASE IT, IF, IF IN THE COURSE OF HIRING SOMEBODY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IF YOU NEED MORE MONEY, YOU'RE GONNA ASK US FOR MORE MONEY TO PAY THAT PERSON.

BUT YOU'RE NOT ASKING US TO APPROVE A PARTICULAR POSITION.

UH, SO I'M LIAISON TO PARKS AND REC AND IF, UH, DIRECTOR ROGERS WANTS TO, UH, ADD A NEW POSITION, UH, WHICH WOULD BE NEW SALARY TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THE FARM, I'M NOT EXPECTING DIRECTOR ROGERS TO COME TO COUNCIL AND SAY, CAN I APPOINT SOMEBODY TO WORK AT THE FARM? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH, NO, THAT NOTHING ELSE CHANGED.

THAT CONTINUES.

I, I READ IT THAT WAY, BUT I, I WANTED TO GET CLARITY.

NO, APPRECIATE WHY GOT THE FLOOR.

THE ONLY OTHER THING WAS, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF HOLDING, UH, UH, OUR EMPLOYEES TO THE IT PLAN, WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM THE HANDBOOK.

I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE IN HERE.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR, UH, EMPLOYEES TO SIGN SOMETHING OR INITIAL SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE PHYSICALLY RECEIVE THE IT PLAN IF YOU'RE GONNA HOLD 'EM ACCOUNTABLE TO IT.

UH, THAT, THAT SORT OF JUMPED OFF THE PAGE AT ME WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT, BUT OH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND ANNUALLY, WE ASK EMPLOYEES TO SIGN THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK EVERY YEAR IN JANUARY.

AND AFTER APPROVAL OF THIS UPDATE, WHICH THEN INCORPORATES THE IT POLICIES.

THAT'S OUR INTENT REALLY TO HAVE A SEPARATE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND ALSO EDUCATING EMPLOYEES WHERE THEY CAN FIND THEM ON OUR SHAREPOINT.

THAT ABSOLUTELY IS GONNA BE THE CASE.

UM, OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN DORITO? THANK YOU MS. VANDAL, UH, FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS.

UM, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EFFORT PUT INTO IT 'CAUSE I ATTEMPTED TO GO THROUGH ALL THE RED LINES AND THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF REMOVE SECTIONS, A LOT OF NEW INSERTED LANGUAGE AND STUFF.

AND I GOTTA BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, I I I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M READY TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE I, I, I REALLY, I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DIGEST IT ALL AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT ALL, UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, BECAUSE I LITERALLY WAS AT A FAMILY THING THIS WEEKEND.

AND LONG STORY SHORT, UH, BUT IF THE COUNCIL'S READY TO MOVE FORWARD, I'M NOT GONNA OBVIOUSLY STOP THEM FROM DOING THAT.

MY BIGGEST THING THAT I FOCUSED ON THOUGH WAS THE PTO SITUATION.

UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT I KNOW IT HAD TO DO WITH THE PANDEMIC, BUT THE, THE TWO WEEKS PTO WAS PUT INTO PLACE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, WHAT, 2019? 2020? SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH.

SO IN 2019 IT WAS BECAUSE ALL, UH, WE STARTED A SIGN ON BONUS FOR POSITIONS THAT THEY WERE HARD TO FILL.

THAT WAS PRE COVID.

THAT WAS JUST PURELY TO HELP US TO CONTINUE TO RECRUIT.

WE HAD DOZENS OF VACANCIES IN POLICE FIRE AND, AND ESPECIALLY 9 1 1.

SO IT WAS AN INCENTIVE THAT WE, WE CREATED ALSO TOO MIRRORING WHAT SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WERE DOING.

SO THEY'RE PROVIDING NOT ONLY, UH, INITIAL TWO WEEKS OF PTO UPON HIRE, BUT ALSO MONETARY INCENTIVE AND INCENTIVE STILL HOLDS TRUTH TO THIS DAY.

AND, UH, THAT'S HOW WE STARTED.

IT WAS REALLY PRIOR EVEN PANDEMIC.

AND SO, SO I'M JUST IN, IN THE CORPORATE WORLD, WHICH I'M IN, PTO IS PAID TIME OFF THAT IS ACCUMULATED TYPICALLY, UH, WITHIN A POSITION, MEANING YOU HAVE TO INVEST TIME WORKING FOR AN ORGANIZATION AND YOU ACCUMULATE SO MANY HOURS ON EVERY PAY PERIOD AND THEN IT ACCUMULATES OVER TIME, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF PROVIDING TWO WEEKS PTO TO ATTRACT SOMEONE TO TAKE A JOB HERE.

BECAUSE TO ME, INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, I THINK IF, IF IT'S REQUIRED THAT WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEONE TO COME HERE, UM, WHY WOULD WE NOT LOOK AT A DIFFERENT OPTION? I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE HANDING PEOPLE TWO WEEKS OF PTO TO COME HERE.

'CAUSE WHAT THE POLICY DID NOT, I COULD, I COULDN'T DECIPHER THIS FROM MY KIND OF REVIEW OF IT.

IT DIDN'T TELL ME WHAT THE PARAMETERS OF THAT IS.

MEANING DO THEY HAVE TO BE HERE A YEAR BEFORE THEY GET IT? DO THEY HAVE TO, UM, OR THEY GET IT RIGHT UP FRONT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY JUST GET IT UP FRONT ONCE THEY ACCEPT THE POSITION, RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO IF THEY LEAVE A MONTH OR TWO LATER, DO THEY TAKE THAT PTO WITH 'EM? LIKE, NO, BUT WHERE'S THE REQUIREMENTS THAT DOESN'T LET THAT HAPPEN? I GUESS IS NO IS MY CONCERN.

MM-HMM .

SO, SO THIS IS AN INCENTIVE.

TO CLARIFY FOR, UM, ON THE PTO, THERE ARE, UM, SEVERAL BOUNDARIES, IF YOU WILL.

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LIKE I SAID, IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE COMMON WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

AND IN THE WORDS OF CONSUMMATE HYPES, IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T JUST SIT AND WAIT, WE MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO CONTINUE TO, TO BE A STRONG COMPETITIVE WORKFORCE IN THE SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES.

FOR, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE PTO, SO UPON HIRE EMPLOYEES RECEIVE THAT, UH, ON, ON THEIR FIRST PAYCHECK.

AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 70% OF, UH, EMPLOYEES SINCE 2019.

WHEN YOU SAY THEY RECEIVE IT, THEY RECEIVE MONEY? NO, THEY, THEY RECEIVE THE ACCRUAL OF THEIR BALANCE ACCRUAL.

COMPREHENSIVELY, UM, BACK IN 2019, THE HANDBOOK WAS DONE, A VIS REVISION BY LEGAL IN A COVER TO COVER SINCE THEN.

SO THEY CANNOT, THOSE TWO WEEKS OF PTO, THEY CANNOT TAKE ANY TIME WITHIN THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF EMPLOYMENT UNLESS IF THEY HAVE AN UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, IF THEY HAVE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, SO THEY DON'T GO WITHOUT PAY.

SO THEY CAN USE THOSE HOURS.

OR IF THEY HAVE ALREADY, PREARRANGEMENTS MADE IT, THAT THEY DISCLOSE TO US DURING THE INTERVIEWS.

SO WHEN THEY START, THEY START WITH THAT BALANCE OF TWO WEEKS.

THEY CANNOT TAKE UNTIL THEY COMPLETE AT LEAST THREE WEEKS OF EMPLOYMENT.

IF THEY LEAVE, UM, THOSE TWO WEEKS THAT THEY WERE DEPOSIT AND NOT THE ONES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ACCRUING PAYCHECK BY PAYCHECK, IT'S NOT PAYABLE UPON, UH, RESIGNATION.

SO IF THEY START THIS WEEK, THEY GET THE TWO WEEKS, AND THEN IN THREE IN A MONTH THEY QUIT.

WE DON'T PAY THAT BACK.

I, I ALSO DID NOT SEE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE CITY FOR THIS INITIATIVE.

'CAUSE IT'S NOT FREE.

SO THE PTO, SO THEY'RE NOT BEING, WHEN YOU LEAVE THAT THOSE HOURS ARE NOT BEING PAID BACK.

SO THERE IS NOT AN IMPACT ON THAT.

THERE WOULD BE AN IMPACT IN DEPARTMENTS IF THAT TIME OFF WOULD CAUSE OVERTIME.

MOST OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT THEY'RE NOT SWORN, THAT THEY'RE NOT MINIMAL STAFF.

WHEN SOMEBODY TAKE OFF THE OTHER, THE WORK IS ABSORBED.

SO THERE IS NOT IMPACT ON THAT MONEY AND THEN IMPACT OVERTIME THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING BECAUSE WE ALREADY PROVIDING THAT PTO TO ALL SWORN SINCE 2019.

SO ALL OF OUR SUPERVISORS, THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK THE SCHEDULE, SO DOESN'T CAUSE A LOT OF OVERTIME.

I I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS IT IS A COST.

IF SOMEONE'S GONNA TAKE TWO WEEKS OFF, IT'S A COST OF DOWNTIME.

IT'S A COST OF MAYBE GETTING THINGS DONE SOONER THAN LATER THAT EVENTUALLY COULD COST US MORE MONEY.

UM, I JUST THINK THE, THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO, LIKE BUDGET IMPACT HERE IS CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE I, I DO THINK WE HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR SOME SORT OF BUDGET IMPACT FOR, YOU KNOW, 550 EMPLOYEES.

YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE, WE GIVE IT TO EVERY NEW EMPLOYEE THAT COMES IN AS AN, AS AN INCENTIVE TO COME WORK HERE.

UM, I, I, I JUST QUESTION.

I, I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

'CAUSE PTO WAS NEVER IN, IN, AT LEAST IN MY WORLD, IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE AS AN INCENTIVE OR A BONUS TO COME WORK FOR AN ORGANIZATION, UH, TO BE GIVING BASICALLY TWO WEEKS OF FREE PTO OR TWO WEEKS OF COMPENSATION TO SOMEONE COMING IN THE DOOR.

UM, THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY TO, TO DO THAT IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

BUT, UM, THE OTHER THING, UM, ON THE, THE OVERALL CHANGES, DO THESE GO THROUGH ANY SORT OF LEGAL REVIEW? BECAUSE ANYTIME YOU TOUCH EMPLOYEES, UM, UH, RULES AND REGULATIONS, POLICIES AND STUFF, UM, IT IT'S SUBJECT TO SCRUTINY ON ANY TYPE OF LAWSUIT OR ANYTHING.

SO YES.

DOES THIS GO THROUGH ANY LAW? SO HAS IT GONE THROUGH ANY THE SO THE MAJORITY OF THE CHANGES HERE HAS BEEN IN OPERATIONAL SIDES AND JUST IN THE BUSINESS, UH, ACTIONS.

EVERY TIME WE HAVE ANY DISPUTE, WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT.

BESIDES IF WE OFFER A BENEFIT COMING IN, WHAT EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN EMPLOYMENT DISPUTE, WE WORK WITH LEGAL TO WORK TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PARTICULAR POLICIES ON OUR HANDBOOK THAT WAS, UH, ON AN APPEAL OR ON A CHALLENGE.

AND LEGAL GIVES US ADVICE IF WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE, UM, TO THAT POLICY TO RESTRAIN THEM.

OTHERWISE, UM, AN UNDERTAKING OF THIS SIZE, IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF FUNDS ON THE CITY TO GO OVER EVERY SINGLE PAGE.

WHEREAS WE HAVE NOT BEEN MAKING ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE THINGS THAT WE ALREADY HAD AND

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AND, WELL, I, I I I, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS MORE OFFLINE, BUT BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS BIG DISCUSSION JUST ABOUT MY QUESTIONS, BUT I, I HAVE REAL RESERVATIONS, PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA OF, OF THE POLICY CHANGE.

UM, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER BEFORE I VOTE ON IT.

BUT IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DEADLINE TO MOVE FORWARD.

I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS TO BE TABLED, TO GIVE A AMPLE TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS.

'CAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF CHANGES IN HERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF DIGEST A LITTLE BIT BETTER BEFORE VOTING ON IT.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY, MY OPINION.

THIS IS PROBABLY BECAUSE I'M NEW PARTLY, BUT I WAS GLAD TO HEAR COUNCILMAN DORITO SAY SOMETHING.

UM, I ALSO HAD SOMETHING THIS WEEKEND AND I WAS NOT ABLE TO AT FAMILY THING AND, UM, WAS OUT IN TOWN AND WASN'T ABLE TO LOOK AT IT.

AND THE REASON THAT I, NOT THAT I HAVE LIKE, EXPERTISE IN IT, BUT WHEN WE PASS IT, THAT SOMEBODY WILL COME BACK TO US AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE MAKING US DO BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS LOOK BACK AND SAY, WELL, IT'S COUNSEL THAT DID IT.

IT'S COUNSEL THAT APPROVED IT, WHICH IS ACCURATE.

IT WOULD BE CORRECT.

I COULD, I DIDN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO READING EVERY WORD.

AND IF THERE IS NO RUSH, WHICH I DON'T KNOW, UM, LIKE IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIC TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO DIGEST IT.

NOT THAT I WOULD BRING SOMETHING SPECIFIC, BUT I MIGHT MIGHT HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.

UM, I ASKED YOU A QUESTION ON THE WAY IN, UM, AND IT, IT WOULD HELP, IT WOULD HELP ME.

I, THAT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN EVERY TIME BECAUSE IT WOULD LOOK FAMILIAR TO ME THE NEXT TIME YOU DO A, A REVISION OR AN UPDATE.

AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THIS IS JUST LANGUAGE, LIKE THE, THE 19, THE 2023 ACT THAT HAD TO BE BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, IN THE LANGUAGE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BEEN THROUGH THAT KIND OF STUFF BEFORE.

BUT, UM, I CAN'T SAY THAT I'VE, THAT I'VE READ IT.

COUNCILMAN HEIGHTS.

WELL, HEY, FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I GET IT.

UH, I, I DID TRY TO READ THROUGH THIS AND IT TOOK A LITTLE WHILE.

AND, UM, ATTORNEYS, THE, UM, UH, I, I THINK HEARING, UH, MY COUNCIL MEMBERS' COMMENTS, I MEAN, I WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING THE BENEFIT OF THEIR FULL INPUT ON THIS.

I I THINK THIS MIGHT'VE BEEN WELL SUITED FOR A WORK SESSION WHERE WE COULD BRAINSTORM A LITTLE BIT AND HAVE A FULLER UNDERSTANDING BEFORE IT GOT BROUGHT FOR A VOTE.

MAY, UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S STILL A POSSIBILITY.

I DON'T KNOW.

UM, BUT SOME OF THE HIGHER LEVEL ISSUES HERE IS A LOT OF, UH, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES HAS BEEN DRIVEN, HAS BEEN DATA DRIVEN.

AND FROM WHAT I READ IN HERE, I SAW SOLUTIONS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THE REASONS FOR THE SOLUTION.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM, UH, OR IF IT'S A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM.

I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS AFFECTS OUR HIRING DECISIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

UM, AND MUCH LIKE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER REEVES, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I HAD A DISCUSSION BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER, UH, PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S MEETING.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I RECALL WHEN WE WERE ADDRESSING PUBLIC SAFETY COMPENSATION AND WE WERE, UH, ADDRESSING THEM SEPARATELY BECAUSE THE UNIQUE, UH, REQUIREMENTS PLACED UPON PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BULLET POINTS IN HERE IS TRYING TO BRING EVERYBODY IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE INCENTIVES THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PASSED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH AT THE TIME WE SAID A JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT WAS BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPE OF EMPLOYEE.

AND SO WE WERE SORT OF WASHING OUT THE JUSTIFICATION THAT WE DID SOME OF THE INCENTIVES FOR IN PUBLIC SAFETY.

I'M HAPPY FOR EVERYBODY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE DO WITHIN THE CONFINES OF SOME BUDGET DISCUSSIONS WE'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.

BUT I, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO REFLECT ON THIS SO THAT WE GET A, UH, UH, INFORMED VOTE.

I GET IT.

SO MAYOR PRO TIM, WELL, IN THE COURSE OF ME RAISING MY HAND, EVERYBODY'S ALREADY ANSWERED.

ALL MY QUESTIONS ARE AT THE SAME POINT AND IT'S NOT TRYING TO BEAT UP ON THE PRESENTER.

I WANNA MAKE THAT A POINT.

I UNDERSTAND.

UM, 'CAUSE I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THE TWO WEEKS OF PTO WAS NOT, ORIGINALLY IT WAS PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND ARE WE NOW TRANSITIONING THAT TO ALL EMPLOYEES? THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.

COUNCIL RITO, REAL QUICK QUESTION.

YEAH, I DEFINITELY NEED MORE TIME.

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I WANNA ECHO MAYOR MS. HANDEL, I WANNA ECHO MAYOR PROM'S COMMENTS.

THIS HAS NOT TO DO WITH THE EFFORT YOU PUT INTO THIS.

IT'S JUST TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'LL THROW OUT A JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THIS.

THIS MIGHT BE THE BEST RECOMMENDATION ALL ON THIS PTO THING.

BUT BEING IN THE CARRAL, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN THERE, BECAUSE I'M NOT THAT YOUNG ANYMORE.

UM, AND YOU PROBABLY WILL AGREE WITH THIS, IT'S ALMOST REFLECTIVE OF WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT IN THIS AREA.

ONCE, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS WITHOUT PARAMETERS AND REASONS AND UNDERSTANDING IT BETTER, UM, WHAT'S TO STOP ALL OUR EMPLOYEES IN THE FUTURE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE OR RECENTLY JOINED US OR WHATEVER, LOOKING FOR THE SAME BENEFIT? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.

UM, YOU GIVE IT TO NEW PEOPLE, THEN THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN HERE, RIGHTFULLY SO.

'CAUSE I WOULD QUESTION LIKE, WHY, WHY DON'T WE GET TWO MORE WEEKS OF PTO? WHY ARE WE GIVING IT TO JUST NEW PEOPLE? UM, SO WE, IT'S PART OF MY CONCERN.

WE GOTTA BE OBVIOUSLY FAIR TO EMPLOYEES.

EVERY JOB IN THE CITY'S DIFFERENT HAS DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.

I'M NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL GUY.

UM, AND SO I, I JUST NEED MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND IT AND, AND JUSTIFY IT BEFORE I COULD SUPPORT SOMETHING WITH THIS.

AND I JUST WANNA BE VERY TRANSPARENT TO YOU.

SO, MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION.

YOU MAY MAKE A MOTION.

UH, MR. MAY I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, I I WANNA GET MY TERMINOLOGY CORRECT.

I'LL LOOK TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY, BUT WOULD IT BE TO TABLE THIS AND MOVE IT TO A WORK, WORK SESSION ON A DATE? CERTAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

IF A DATE CERTAIN WOULD BE A PROPER MOTION.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY TABLE, BUT PICK A DATE.

I'D LIKE, AND, AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE.

I THINK MR. LAG BLOOM HAS SOMETHING.

YEAH, I'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN IF WE CAN, BEFORE YOU MAKE THE MOTION, IT'LL ULTIMATELY LEAD INTO YOUR MOTION, BUT, OKAY.

JUST IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OR SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED TONIGHT, CERTAINLY NO ISSUE IN MOVING THIS TO A FUTURE AGENDA, TO A FUTURE WORKSHOP.

UM, CANDIDLY, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, CHRIS AND I SPOTTED YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO WHEN I SHOWED UP IN ALPHARETTA THAT THE, THE PROCESS THAT WAS REQUIRED TO GET THE PERSONNEL MANUAL CHANGED WAS SIMPLY A SINGLE WORD.

IF THERE WAS SIMPLY A SIMPLE WORD THAT NEEDED TO STAY IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE LAW WAS AN ACT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO FOR THREE YEARS, I'VE BEEN ASKING CHRIS TO PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN PUT OURSELVES IN THE PROPER PLACE FOR THE FUTURE.

BEING THAT WE HAVE AN ACTUAL EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK THAT'S ADOPTED ONCE AND FOR ALL WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN THAT WE GO BACK TO THE COUNCIL WHEN THINGS COST THE CITY MONEY, AND THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, AS YOUR ADMINISTRATORS, WE CAN KEEP OUR POLICY MANUAL IN LINE WITH THE LAW WITHOUT HAVING TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A VOTE EVERY TIME.

IT, IT HAPPENS.

SO THAT WAS THE CONCEPT OF TONIGHT.

WHETHER THIS PROVES TONIGHT APPROVES ON THE 18TH, IT PROVES ON THE FIRST, IT PROVES IN JULY.

IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPERATING TODAY AS WE'VE BEEN OPERATING, WE'RE CONTINUE TO OPERATE TOMORROW MORNING.

NO PROBLEM.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AGAINST, UH, THE 18TH MEETING JUST BECAUSE IT IS SO FULL.

UM, I WOULD REQUEST, AND I TOLD YOU I WAS GONNA END UP IN A MOTION HERE, THAT YOUR MOTION WOULD BE TO DEFER THIS ITEM TO THE JUNE 1ST WORK SESSION.

AND AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU DEFER THIS ITEM, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT, MAKE A MOTION TO DO BOTH OF THE ITEMS IN SEQUENCE ITEM A AND ITEM B.

AND THEN WE JUST MOVE ON TO ITEM C.

'CAUSE ITEM A AND B NEED TO STAY TOGETHER.

YEP.

WELL THEN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, DEFER AND MOVE THIS TO A WORK SESSION WORKSHOP ON, UH, NEW BUSINESS A AND B TO JUNE.

THE JUNE 1ST MEETING, I THINK IS WHAT I HEARD.

CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? MAYOR PRO TIM, I THINK WE GENERALLY HAVE A OTHER ENGAGEMENT ON JUNE 1ST, IF YOU WERE THINKING OF DOING THE GREATER NORTH FULTON CHAMBER TRIP.

OKAY, SO JUNE 15TH, JUNE 1ST, FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD IS THE EMAIL I BELIEVE I RECEIVED FROM GREATER NORTH FULTON CHANGE ABOUT GOING TO COLORADO? NO, THAT'S, UH, SEPTEMBER.

SEPTEMBER ONE.

THEN I, I'VE GOT, I MAY HAVE BEEN INCORRECT.

LET ME LOOK AT OUR HR DIRECTOR HERE REAL QUICK.

ARE YOU HERE? I WILL BE, I WILL BE SEPTEMBER.

I WILL BE IN PPTO ON JUNE 1ST.

SO, UM, BE, SO THEN, UH, CHRIS HAS LEVERAGED SOME OF THAT PTO THAT WE GAVE HER WHEN SHE STARTED, UM, TO, UH, TAKE SOME TIME OFF ON THE 18TH.

SO, UM, IF, OR ON THE, SO IF I COULD GO MAYBE JUNE 15TH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR BOTH THE ITEMS. YES.

I, I MAKE A MOTION FOR JUNE 15TH.

ANY DISCUSSION? I ON MOTION? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON A MOTION TO TAPE.

IS THIS A TABLING? NO, WE'RE DEFERRING IT TO ANOTHER DATE FOR A WORK

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SESSION.

WE'RE READY TO ROCK AND ROLL.

, I'M SHORTENING IT OUT.

THERE'S BEEN A CONFUSION.

SO ARE WE PREPARED TO TAKE A VOTE? ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE VOTE.

ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE RESOLUTION FORMALIZING ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES TO THE EMPLOYEE MANUAL AND BENEFITS.

SO THAT, SO WE'LL MOVE

[B. Resolution: Formalizing Administrative Updates to the Employee Manual and Benefits Handbook
Consideration and approval of a Resolution formalizing the administrative update process and its defined conditions for the Employee Manual and Benefits Handbook.]

SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GO FORWARD WITH THAT NOW, A AND B, WE'RE BOTH MOVED.

YES, BB WAS ALSO POSTPONED.

GOTCHA.

[C. Resolution: Appointment of Code Enforcement Board Member
Consideration and adoption of a Resolution to appoint Carlos Campos as a member of the Code Enforcement Board.]

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE APPOINTMENT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD MEMBER MS. ESWINE, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE RESOLUTION? A RESOLUTION BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ALFREDA, GEORGIA TO APPOINT A MEMBER TO OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD IN ORDER TO FILL A VACANCY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. LOGGER BLOOM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I SEE MY NAME LISTED ON THIS ON THE AGENDA.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I WAS PREPARED FOR THIS ONE, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO PRESENT IT.

THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE ITEM.

THIS IS A ITEM THAT'S BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU TO APPOINT SOMEBODY TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD.

AS YOU KNOW, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD CONSISTS OF SEVEN MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATIVES.

UM, IT IS A CONSENSUS APPOINTMENT OF THE CITY COUNCIL, SO YOU ALL WOULD VOTE ON EVERYBODY THAT'S APPOINTED TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD.

UM, WE RECEIVED INTEREST FROM MR. CARLOS CAMPOS, WHO'S EXPRESSED THE DESIRE TO SERVE.

UM, I BELIEVE WE ATTACHED A RESUME.

WE DID REDACTED THE CLERK DID TO THE ITEM ITSELF.

UM, THIS IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS SIMPLY TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPOINT MR. CAMPOS TO OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD.

AND I'M HAPPY TO, OR THE CLERK IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. LAGER? BLAME? MY ONLY QUESTION IS, HOW DID MR. CAMPOS COME TO YOUR ATTENTION? I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK TO GRACE TO, OH, WELL, WE RECEIVED RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DORITO.

IT CAME FROM COUNCIL.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS.

I I'M NOT AWARE OF HIM BEFORE.

SO I, I ASSUME SOMEBODY HAD BROUGHT HIM FORWARD.

HE, HE APPROACHED ME, UM, LIVES IN THE CITY, OBVIOUSLY HIS WIFE AND THREE CHILDREN.

NOW A LITTLE INFANT, FORMER FORMER NAVAL OFFICER SERVICES COUNTRY.

HIS, HIS MA HIS WIFE IS AN FBI AGENT, SO VERY INVOLVED IN GOVERNMENT.

HE TOOK AN INTEREST IN, I DO REMEMBER YOUR EMAIL NOW.

I SUBMITTED, UH, TO MR. LAGGER BLOOM.

HIS RESUME SAID IF THERE'S EVER AN OPEN POSITION THAT WE CAN CONSIDER HIM FOR MAYOR, UH, AND THIS, THERE WAS, UH, SOME POSITIONS HERE.

HE JUST WANTS TO START TRYING TO GET INVOLVED WITH THAT.

HE, SO THAT'S GREAT.

I APPRECIATE THE CLARITY.

IT'S FINALLY COMING BACK TO ME TOO.

I KNOW, I MADE IT SOUND LIKE I HAD NO CLUE WHERE THIS CAME FROM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, DOUG SENT A VERY NICE EMAIL AND I SAID, YES, WE COULD DO THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING.

SO THAT IS HOW IT ORIGINATED.

ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPOINTMENT OF COLLEGE? ALBERTO CAMPOS FOR THE COURT ENFORCEMENT BOARD.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DORITO, SECOND BY MAYOR PROTI.

ANY DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS? NO, SIR, WE DO NOT.

HOWEVER, IF YOU'D LIKE COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED TO MR. COMPOST, NOW'S YOUR CHANCE.

I DO NOT SEE ANYONE COMING FORWARD.

SO WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT IN DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE.

THE NEXT ITEM WAS DEFERRED.

I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING MR. CAMPOS.

[D. Ordinance: Offenses and Miscellaneous Provisions Ordinance Text Amendments
DEFERRED: This item has been deferred by staff to the May 18, 2026 City Council meeting and will not be considered at this meeting.

SECOND READING: The first reading of this item occurred during the April 27, 2026 City Council meeting.
Consideration and approval of an Ordinance to amend Chapter 30, referred to as Offenses and Miscellaneous Provisions, of the Code of the City of Alpharetta to amend provisions regarding the discharge of firearms; to amend provisions regarding urban camping and the improper use of property; to regulate the discharge of bows and crossbows; to prohibit interference of a city officer; to prohibit false representations to a city officer; to prohibit loitering and prowling; to prohibit trespass; to prohibit street racing and reckless driving exhibitions; to prohibit vandalism; to prohibit aggressive panhandling; to prohibit public drunkenness; to provide for traffic violations for disobeying or avoiding an official traffic control device; to prohibit public urination or defecation; to prohibit creating a disturbance at schools; to provide for enforcement; to provide for penalties for violations; to repeal conflicting ordinances; and for other purposes.]

EXCUSE ME.

[A. Alpharetta Rental Housing Study Update Presentation
The City of Alpharetta engaged KB Advisory Group to examine the historical relationship between rental and owner housing in the City and analyze the potential proportion of future rental housing in Alpharetta to be consistent with the 2040 Comprehensive Plan. Housing Policy 2 of the comprehensive plan seeks to maintain a balance between 'owner-occupied' and 'renter-occupied' in Alpharetta such that at least 68% of the housing stock is 'owner-occupied'. Geoff Koski, KB Advisory Group, will present an overview of the Alpharetta Rental Housing Study Update, December 2025.]

NEXT ITEM IS OUR WORK SESSION.

IS THAT CORRECT? KATHY? MAYOR AND COUNSEL'S NEXT ITEM.

THE ALPHARETTA RENTAL HOUSING STUDY UPDATE PRESENTATION.

IT'S JUST A SHORT UPDATE.

WE, WE PUT THE, UM, DOCUMENT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET AND, UM, OF COURSE IT'S A DRAFT, UM, FOR YOU TO GO THROUGH.

AND THE REASON THAT WE DO THIS, OF COURSE, IS WE HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

WE HAVE THE HOUSING POLICY TOO THAT STATES THAT WE SHOULD TRY HAVE A GOAL, UH, TO MAINTAIN A BALANCE BETWEEN OWNER OCCUPIED AND RENTER OCCUPIED IN ALPHARETTA, SUCH THAT AT LEAST 68% OF THE HOUSING STOCK IS OWNER OCCUPIED, UM, COMPARED TO THE, UH, RENTER.

SO EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE 2016 WHEN WE PUT OUR FIRST STUDY IN PLACE, WE GO THROUGH AND SEE WHAT ARE THE TRENDS? ARE WE MEETING THAT POLICY? AND SO THERE'S NOTHING TO VOTE ON, IT'S JUST THE INFORMATION, UM, TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE.

AND IF I COULD BRING JEFF KOSKI UP WITH KB ADVISORY, UM, WHO GIVE YOU A, A QUICK PRESENTATION OF THE MARKET.

AND I THINK, DEANNA, DO YOU HAVE HIS SLIDES? OKAY, WE CAN GO OLD SCHOOL IF WE NEED.

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MAYOR COUNCIL, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU.

UH, JEFF KOSKI, PRESIDENT AND OWNER OF KB ADVISORY GROUP.

UM, WE ARE A ATLANTA BASED REAL ESTATE MARKET ANALYSIS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONSULTING FIRM.

UM, YEAH, CAN, CAN I USE THIS? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I BROUGHT PAPERS.

I'M OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW.

HOW ABOUT PAPERS? YEAH, BRING, BRING THE THE BACK UP.

DO YOU WANNA SIT HERE? AND I'LL JUST, YOU CAN USE THIS IF YOU HAVE IT WHICHEVER'S EASIER FOR YOU.

I'LL, I'LL STAND.

ALRIGHT, HERE WE GO.

UM, OLD SCHOOL POWERPOINT.

I USED TO BE A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER, SO I USED TO DRAW ON, UM, ON WHITEBOARDS AND, AND OVERHEADS.

UM, SO, UM, NO, NO PROBLEM.

SO, UM, ANYWAY, REAL QUICK, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.

AGAIN, AS KATHY SAID, UM, WE'VE BEEN TRACKING YOUR HOUSING MARKET, UM, FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW.

UM, AND SO THIS IS DID THE, SORRY, UM, WE CAN DO THIS WITHOUT IT, BUT, OKAY, THERE WE GO.

SO, UH, THE COVERS OF THE, OF THE FOUR REPORTS OF YOU GOING BACK TO, TO 2016, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE ASSIGNMENT HAS BEEN TO TRACK SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE, THE TENURE MIX AS HOUSING ANALYSTS CALL IT, THE MIX BETWEEN RENTERS AND OWNERS, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, I REMEMBER 10 YEARS AGO, MAYOR SITTING IN, UM, IN CHAMBERS UPSTAIRS.

UM, AND THE ISSUE 10 YEARS AGO WAS THAT YOU HAD A LOT OF RENTERS MOVING INTO YOUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE IMPETUS, IMPETUS OF THIS IS THAT WE, IT WAS A OUTGROWTH OF THE, UM, THE GREAT FINANCIAL CRISIS AND THE HOUSING MARKET WAS IN FLUX, AND YOU HAD SEEN A BUNCH OF RENTERS MOVE INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR ISSUES AT THE TIME IS, YOU KNOW, LET'S START LOOKING AT THIS AS PEOPLE START TO ADD, ADD, ASK TO ADD RENTALS.

WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS? WELL, THROUGH TRACKING THIS, I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING THAT WE'VE FOUND IS THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEGUN TO COME OUT OR THEY, THEY HAVE COME OUT OF THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE YOU'VE OFFERED ADDITIONAL RENTAL OPTIONS IN TOWN.

SO YOU HAVE FEWER RENTERS IN YOUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE YOU STILL HAVE, UM, ACTUALLY MORE MULTIFAMILY OR MORE RENTAL UNITS, UM, ALTOGETHER.

SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND.

THE OTHER THING IS JUST A BIT OF A VOCABULARY, UM, CLARIFICATION.

WE'RE TALKING OWNERS AND RENTERS.

WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TALKING MULTIFAMILY SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOMES.

SO IT'S ABOUT THE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE IN THE HOMES.

AND SO THEREFORE, THIS IS A BIT OF A LAGGING EXERCISE BECAUSE THE DATA WE HAVE TO USE IS CENSUS DATA.

AND SO WE, WE LOOK AT CENSUS DATA, WHICH LAGS, AND THEN WE ADD IT TO THE MIX OF WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE MARKET TODAY.

SO WE'RE USING, WE'RE USING A MIX OF DATA, LARGELY BASED ON CENSUS DATA, UM, TO UNDERSTAND THIS MIX BETWEEN RENTERS AND OWNERS.

SO, UM, THE SHORT ANSWER IS, OH, GOOD, THANK YOU.

THE SHORT ANSWER IS, IS THAT, UM, THIS, THIS OVER THE FOUR YEARS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT, UM, HAS TURNED OUT.

UM, IN THAT WE STARTED 10 YEARS AGO.

UM, YOU HAD 80 OR 64% OWNER SHARE, WHICH WAS ABOVE THE TARGET THAT YOU HAD SET, UM, AT 68.

AND SO NOW YOU'VE COME DOWN, THE LAST TWO TIMES WE'VE DONE THIS, YOU ARE HOLDING THAT TARGET AT 68%.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG HEADLINE NEWS.

I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE REASON WHY WE'VE DONE THIS, IS JUST ATTRACT THIS BECAUSE YOUR COMP PLAN ASKED Y'ALL TO STAY UP TO DATE ON THIS.

SO WHILE WE ARE AT IT, AND WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD DIG DEEPER INTO THE CENSUS DATA REALLY TO ANSWER, PARTLY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

WHAT WE'RE DRIVING TO HERE.

WE'VE SEEN THIS MIX OF, OF RENTAL UNITS IN TOWN, WHO ARE THE, WHO ARE THE RENTERS, RIGHT? YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, WHO'S A BUYER OF THE, UH, PREVIOUS PROJECT? SO, SO ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S

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SO AGAIN, JUST TO GO QUICKLY HITTING SOME OF THE HEADLINES IN, IN THE, UH, REPORT.

THE REPORT IS 20 PAGES.

THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL IN THE DATA, BUT YOU CAN SEE BASICALLY ONE OF THE BIG TAKEAWAYS IS THAT THE OVERALL, YOUR RENTER SHARE IS DROPPING, WHICH WE SAID BEFORE, AS YOUR RENTER HOUSEHOLDS ARE ACTUALLY INCREASING.

SO YOU HAVE AN ABSOLUTE NUMBER OF MORE RENTERS, BUT THE SHARE OF THOSE RENTERS IS LOWER THAN IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO.

BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING OWNERSHIP POSITIONS, YOU'RE ADDING HOMES IN WHICH OWNERS LIVE AT A FASTER PACE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, SO, UM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE, WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, A YOU ALL HAVE SEEN A, UM, A LARGE GROWTH NEXT SLIDE IN YOUR HOUSING MARKET.

YOU'VE ADDED, YES, YOU'VE ADDED RENTAL UNITS, BUT YOU'VE ADDED OWNERSHIP AT A HIGHER PACE.

UM, SO WHO ARE LIVING IN THESE, IN THESE RENTERS, AGAIN, OVER TO THE LEFT, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, THE, AND THIS IS GLEANED FROM SOME OF THE DATA OVER ON THE RIGHT, BUT THAT YOU'RE, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A SURPRISE TO YOU, BUT JUST TO VERIFY THE DATA IS SHOWING US THAT THE RENTER BASE HAS FEWER CHILDREN'S AND FEWER LARGER HOUSEHOLDS.

THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.

TYPICALLY, RENTERS ARE IN SMALLER HOUSEHOLDS, AND IN THOSE SMALLER HOUSEHOLDS, THEY HAVE FEWER CHILDREN.

UM, SO WE SEE NEW RENTAL UNITS HAVE OVERALL RELATIVELY, VERY, VERY FEW, UM, BURDEN, IF YOU WILL ON THE, ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

TYPICALLY.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, YOUNGER AND OLDER PROFESSIONALS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE HEADING INTO THE NEW RENTAL UNITS THAT YOU HAVE.

AGAIN, IT'S THE, IT'S THE OLDER FOLKS LOOK, OR IT'S THE YOUNGER FOLKS LOOKING FOR A, A, A, A FIRST RUNG ON THE HOUSING LADDER IN, UM, IN ALPHARETTA.

AND IT'S THE OLDER FOLKS WHO ARE TIRED OF THOSE, UM, ONE ACRE LOTS, TIRED OF THOSE LEAVES TIRED, AND, AND THEY'RE MOVING INTO RENTER POSITIONS.

YOU CAN SEE.

SO, SO THE GROWTH IS IN THE YOUNGER 35 AND YOUNGER AND 65, 64 AND OVER.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MID-CAREER HOUSEHOLDS ARE, ARE MORE, UH, UH, OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS HAVE BECOME, UM, MORE PREVALENT IN YOUR OWNERSHIP, UM, STOCK.

SO AGAIN, THESE MAY BE NOT SURPRISING, BUT JUST AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT THE DATA'S TELLING US.

NEXT SLIDE.

UM, LOOKING AT INCOMES, AGAIN, KIND OF THE SAME IDEA THAT YOU HAVE, UM, A GROWTH IN RENTERS AT THE LOWER END OF THE SPECTRUM, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE ANY BIGGER GROWTH OF RENTERS AT THE HIGHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY THOSE OLDER HOUSEHOLDS, RIGHT? SO YOU SEE ALMOST A 10% GROWTH OF, OF RENTER HOUSEHOLDS WHO EARN SIX FIGURES, RIGHT? SO JUST AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT THE NEW RENTERS THAT YOU ARE, UM, INVITING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING RENTAL, UM, PRODUCT, TYPICALLY THE GROWTH YOU'RE SEEING ARE SIX FIGURE HOUSEHOLDS.

AGAIN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE OFTEN, UM, OLDER FOLKS, UM, PROBABLY EVEN WITH A HIGHER NET WEALTH.

WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT INCOMES.

AND SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING OVERALL, WHEN WE LOOK AT DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, MIDDLE INCOME, SO CALL IT 50,000 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND, THOSE HOUSEHOLDS, THE NUMBER OF THEM ARE SHRINKING, RIGHT? WE, WE HAVE THIS KIND OF KS SHAPED ECONOMY, AND WE HAVE THIS K SHAPED GROWTH IN WHICH, UM, ALPHARETTA IS ATTRACTING YOUNGER HOUSEHOLDS BECAUSE OF THE NEW RENTER PRODUCT, BUT YOU'RE ALSO ATTRACTING A LOT OF OLDER HOUSEHOLDS WITH HIGHER INCOMES.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND SO, AGAIN, JUST SO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE RENTER, THIS IS AGAIN, LARGELY FOCUSED ON NOW YOUR MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT BECAUSE YOU WENT FROM, UM, 12% OF YOUR RENTER PRODUCT WAS SINGLE FAMILY 10 YEARS AGO.

NOW YOU'RE AT 5%.

SO MOST OF YOUR RENTER PRODUCT IS IN MULTIFAMILY, UM, UNITS, IF YOU WILL.

AND AGAIN, THERE'S VERY LOW VACANCY.

UM, THE, THE TRENDS ARE SAYING THAT THERE'S HIGH, HIGH DEMAND, VERY LOW VACANCY.

THE RENTS ARE GROWING, ALTHOUGH THEY'VE BEEN MODERATING SINCE, UM, 2022, THAT'S A NATIONAL WIDE TREND.

MOST, MOST MARKETS WE'VE SEEN DECLINING RENTS.

UM, BUT YOU ALL ARE KIND OF STABILIZED BECAUSE THE DEMAND IS SO HIGH.

AND AGAIN, UM, I MENTIONED THAT SINGLE FAMILY RENTER SHARE HAS DROPPED, AND YOU'VE GOT A HEALTHY PIPELINE.

YOU'VE GOT ABOUT FIVE YEARS OF SUPPLY IN THE PIPELINE, IN THE, IN THE PLANNED AND PROPOSED PIPELINE.

AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, UM, KIND OF LOOKING AHEAD, WHAT WE SEE IS BASED ON WHAT WE SEE IN YOUR PIPELINE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WOULD PROBABLY STAY ABOUT EVEN, UM, OVER TIME IF YOU BUILT WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE TODAY.

SO OUR FORECAST WOULD SAY YOU'LL, YOU'LL STICK AT ABOUT THAT 6 8 32 RENTER VERSUS OWNER DISTRIBUTION.

SO LAST SLIDE.

LAST SLIDE.

JUST A SUMMARY SLIDE JUST TO SAY AGAIN.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF TRENDS WE COULD HAVE PULLED OUT, BUT JUST THE BIG PICTURE TRENDS IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF UNITS THAT YOU'VE BUILT.

UM, YOU BUILT A LOT OF RENTAL UNITS, BUT YOU BUILT MORE OWNERSHIP UNITS.

UM, AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU'VE DRAWN SOME OF THE RENTERS OUT OF YOUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THEY'RE FINDING PRODUCTS, UM, ELSEWHERE, PARTICULARLY THE LUXURY MULTIFAMILY THAT YOU BUILT.

UM, AND THEY GET TO STAY IN, IN ALPHARETTA THAT WAY.

SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG TAKEAWAYS.

AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DATA THERE.

IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE INTO HOUSING DATA, WE GOT IT FOR YOU.

UM, HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL RES,

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YOU ALSO COMPARED IN THE STUDY, NOT IN THE POWERPOINT, BUT IN THE STUDY, YOU COMPARED US TO THE SURROUND, SOME OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS MM-HMM .

IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE OF RENTAL UNITS AND 60 EIGHTS.

THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS ON THE COMP PLAN.

BUT, UM, THAT 67, 60 8% PUTS US AT, UM, OR RENTER PERCENTAGE OF 32, 30 3% PUTS US AT SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER RENTALS, UM, PER RENT, RENT VERSUS OWNER, THAN SOME OF THESE SURROUNDING AREAS THAT WE GENERALLY TRY TO CON COMPARE OURSELVES WITH.

LIKE NORTH FULTON IS NORTH METRO.

THEY ONLY HAVE, UM, THEY HAVE 78% OWNER OCCUPIED FORSYTH IS 84% OCCUPIED, OWNER OCCUPIED EAST COBB 77 CHEROKEE, 79 NORTH FULTON 73.

SO EVEN AMONG NORTH FULTON, WE AT 67% OWNER OCCUPIED, WE ARE LOWER THAN THE AREAS THAT WE TYPICALLY SUR SURROUND OURSELVES.

WE HAVE MORE APARTMENTS PER OWNERS, OR MORE RENTAL.

I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT MY TERMINOLOGY.

WE HAVE MORE RENTAL OR OWNER THAN OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBOR AREAS.

I WOULD SAY BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE READING IN THAT REPORT, THO TO THOSE COMPARISONS, YES.

BUT IF THOSE ARE ALL TO THE NORTH, IF YOU LOOK TO THE SOUTH, THEN IT, THEN IT FLIPS.

SO, UM, THE, THE RENTER, THE RENTER DISTRIBUTION IN SANDY SPRINGS IS MUCH HIGHER, UM, THAN IT IS HERE.

UM, SO I KNOW .

SO NOT SURE.

I'M NOT SURE OUR GOAL IS SANDY SPRINGS.

NO, WELL, THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THESE APPEAR IN THIS REPORT.

'CAUSE THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT.

IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK SOUTH RIGHT, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NORTH FULTON PIERS ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE A HIGHER DISTRIBUTION OF RENTER THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE JOBS THAT YOU HAVE HERE.

YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, 20 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.

THIS IS A JOB CENTER.

SANDY SPRINGS IS ALSO A JOB CENTER.

MOST OF YOUR NEIGHBORS DO NOT HAVE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE AMOUNT OF JOBS THAT Y'ALL HAVE IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UM, IN YOUR MIDST.

AND SO THAT ALWAYS DRIVES MORE RENT HOUSING BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT 20 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF REAL ESTATE THAT OTHERS DON'T HAVE.

AND THOSE, THE, THE JOBS THAT COME WITH THOSE 20 MILLION SQUARE FEET ARE LOOKING TO BE AS CLOSE TO THE, OFTEN LOOKING TO BE REAL CLOSE TO THEIR HOU THEIR, THEIR JOBS.

AND THEREFORE YOU SEE A MIX OF RENTERS THAT WANT TO BE CLOSE TO THEIR JOBS.

SO THAT IS KIND OF THE TREND THAT WE SEE.

SO AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT IT IS TRUE THAT THE RENTER MIXES LESS NORTH OF YOU, BUT THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A, UM, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF JOBS IN YOUR CITY BOUNDARIES, IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT YOU HAVE A HIGHER RENTER MIX.

IT'S GOOD INFORMATION.

I THINK PROBABLY AT SOME POINT I THINK WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN SOON.

I THINK THAT THAT DATA IS PROBABLY SOMETHING WE WANNA THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS FOR THAT.

BUT THIS IS GREAT DATA AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

COUNCILMAN DORITO, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATIONS.

IT IS GOOD INFORMATION, UH, PROVIDED TO US.

UM, I MEAN, TO SUM IT UP, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF STAYING WITHIN THAT RATIO THAT THE CITY HAS TRIED TO HOLD IN PLACE SINCE I FIRST JOINED COUNCIL BACK IN 2001, UM, BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH.

BUT WE'RE GROWING SINGLE, UH, HOME OWNERSHIP AS VERSUS RENTALS SO THAT WE'RE KIND OF STAYING WITHIN THAT KIND OF SWEET SPOT OF WHAT PREVIOUS COUNCILS HAVE TRIED TO MAINTAIN.

MAINTAIN THE SUCCESS OF INVESTING OF NEW COMPANIES AND ATTRACTING NEW CORPORATIONS HERE TO CONTINUE TO FILL UP THE OFFICE SPACE UP TO THE 20 MILLION SQUARE FEET THAT WE HAVE.

UM, AND I'VE HAD THIS, UH, DISCUSSION SEVERAL TIMES WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, LOOKING AT LIKE, THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT AND, AND YOU POINTED OUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE A BUSINESS HUB.

UM, AND, AND AT LEAST MY PERSPECTIVE IS WE WANT TO MAINTAIN US AS A VERY ATTRACTIVE BUSINESS HUB.

UM, AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IS TO PROVIDE THE VARIOUS FORMS OF DIPPING HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT NEEDS OF DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

DO YOU SEE IN OTHER CITIES AN OVERALL RATIO OR DO YOU SEE WHERE CITIES ARE PLANNING MORE PROACTIVELY TO LOOK AT, SAY, DISTRICTS WITHIN A CITY AND SAYING, IN THIS DISTRICT, THIS IS WHERE WE SHOULD PUT A LOT OF THE RENTAL HOUSING COMPONENTS VERSUS HOME OWNERSHIP.

AND THEN THIS OTHER DISTRICT KIND OF PUT A VERY LOW RENTAL RATIO THERE.

I JUST WONDER IF, IF WE SHOULD BE LOOKING IN THIS NEW RENTAL STUDY OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING FOR THE FUTURE TO RETAIN ALFREDA AS, AS, AS, AS A REGIONAL BUSINESS HUB THAT IT IS AND THAT

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UM, 'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE, A BUDDING CITIES, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, ROSWELL WITH I THINK 6 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE, OR MAYBE I'M FLIPPING OUT AND JOHN'S CREEK HAVING 2 MILLION, UM, THERE'S A REASON WHY WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF CONTINUOUS GROWTH HERE OVER THE DECADES.

UM, AND, AND, AND I ASKED THE QUESTION 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT STYMIEING THE FUTURE GROWTH OF THE CITY BY NOT RETHINKING ON HOW WE APPLY THE RENTAL RATIO IN THE CITY VERSUS KIND OF ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

I'M MAKING SENSE.

YEAH, YEAH.

NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, FOR ONE THING I THINK THE MARKET, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK ME.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN LOOK AROUND AND SEE WHAT THE MARKET IS, WHAT, WHAT THE MARKET IS DEMANDING, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF JOBS, WHERE ARE NEW OFFICE BUILDINGS BEING BUILT, RIGHT? THAT IS, THAT IS ONLY IN ACTIVE DISTRICTS THAT HAVE A LOT OF HOUSING NEXT TO THE JOBS.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE DEVELOPERS WHO WANNA BUILD NEW OFFICE WILL TELL YOU THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE BUILDING NEW OFFICES IN A, IN A DENSE, URBAN, ACTIVE ENVIRONMENT.

UM, ALMOST, YOU KNOW, 99%.

UM, SO I THINK THAT'S ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING YOUR OFFICE BUILDINGS TURN OVER INTO MIXED USE AS YOU TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.

SO THE MARKET'S TELLING YOU THAT.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU DO WANT TO REMAIN CONTAIN, UM, REMAIN A JOB CENTER, UM, I THINK YOU DO HAVE TO LOOK AT JOBS TO HOUSING RATIO AND UM, TYPICALLY ON A REGIONAL BASIS, THAT TYPICALLY PLAYS OUT TO KIND OF TWO TO ONE, UM, UH, TWO JOBS FOR EVERY ONE HOUSEHOLD IS, IS KIND OF A TYPICAL RATIO RIGHT NOW.

UM, YOU'RE AT ABOUT THREE TO ONE, SO YOU'VE GOT MORE JOBS THAN YOU, THAN YOU DO HOUSING, UM, OVER THAT TYPICAL RATIO.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT PUTS YOU IN THE RANGE, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK TO ME, WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME ABOUT HOUSING DEMAND, I ALWAYS SAY, WELL, LOOK AT JOBS, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE GROWING JOBS IN YOUR TOWN OR IN YOUR REGION, YOU'RE CREATING HOUSING DEMAND.

EVERY NEW JOB ABOVE AND BEYOND THE ONE THAT YOU HAD YESTERDAY CREATES HOT, WELL, TWO, TWO NEW JOBS CREATES HOUSING DEMAND.

AND SO AS LONG AS YOU'RE CREATING JOBS, AS LONG AS WE'RE CREATING JOBS REGIONALLY, AND AS LONG, AS LONG AS YOU'RE CONTINUING TO ATTRACT JOBS HERE, THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO BE IN, IN, UM, PLACES THAT, THAT, UM, ARE APPEALING TO THEIR WORKERS.

AND TYPICALLY THAT INCLUDES SOME SORT OF WALKABILITY, UM, AMENITIES.

RETAIL IS NOW AN AMENITY, SO LIKE WALK.

SO YOU GOTTA HAVE ENOUGH DENSITY AND ENOUGH NEARNESS OF OTHER THINGS THAT REALLY CREATE THAT ENVIRONMENT.

APPRECIATE THIS, UH, INFORMATION.

THANK YOU COUNCILMAN HEIGHTS.

IT WAS ACTUALLY FASCINATING.

WELL, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE, I LIKE ALL THE FACTS AND FIGURES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY JUMPED OFF THE PAGE WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO TAKE THE PULSE ON WHAT THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY WANT, BUT I SAW THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS OF, UH, MULTIFAMILY RENTAL UNITS THAT WERE BUILT PRIOR TO 2000.

APPARENTLY THAT WAS MORE THAN HALF OF OUR EXISTING STOCK, RIGHT? SO IT IT, DO ANY OF YOUR PRIOR STUDIES, WHICH GO BACK APPARENTLY TO 2016, DO THEY HAVE RATIOS FOR, UH, SAY THE YEAR 2000 GOING BACK HISTORICALLY WHEN WE ONLY HAD 30,000 RESIDENTS IN THE YEAR 2000, BUT WE HAD, UH, A MUCH HIGHER, UH, RELATIVE NUMBER OF, UH, APARTMENT UNITS RELATIVE TO 30,000 POPULATION.

IS THERE ANY HISTORICAL DATA GOING BACK FURTHER TO SEE WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE'VE PROGRESSED TO? UH, THE ANSWER'S YES.

I MEAN, I MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ANY PARTICULAR DATA POINTS STUCK IN MY HEAD, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE LAST 10 YEARS SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU'VE DECREASED YOUR RENTER SHARE.

SO, SO I WOULD SAY THAT BASED ON THAT, WITHOUT ANY, WITHOUT KNOWING ANY PARTICULAR PIECE OF DATA THAT YEAH, YOU BE, WHEN YOU ARE A SMALLER PLACE AND YOU HAD ALL OF THOSE APARTMENTS BUILT, YOU, YOU WERE A MORE OF A RENTER TYPE OF, OF COMMUNITY, NOT BY A LOT, BUT YOU WERE, YOU HAD PROPORTIONATELY MORE RENTERS THAN I WAS.

I WAS READING THE NUMBERS WITHOUT KNOWING, YOU KNOW, THE YEAH.

THE, THE OWNERSHIP TO RENTER NUMBER SAY IN THE YEAR 2000.

BUT I SAW IT REALLY JUMPED OFF THE PAGE OF ME.

HOW MANY APARTMENTS WE USED TO HAVE PRE 2000, RIGHT? AND, UH, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE WERE AN ATTRACTIVE COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DIDN'T, UH, WEREN'T FEARFUL ABOUT THOSE APARTMENTS.

THEY MOVED HERE AND, AND RIGHT.

AND FOUND A HOME HERE AND, AND MADE IT A HOME HERE.

AND, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHERE WE'VE BEEN, WHERE WE ARE YEAH.

AS A, A GUIDEPOST TO WHERE WE, WHERE WE

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MAY WANT TO GO.

NO LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT, UM, PROPERTIES, UM, BEING BUILT IN IN ALPHARETTA, TO MY KNOWLEDGE BEING BUILT.

WELL, AND AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU'RE TRENDING TOWARDS MORE OWNERSHIP HERE.

UM, AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE SAME SIMILAR PRINCIPLES APPLIED 30 YEARS AGO WHEN ALL THOSE APARTMENTS SHOWED UP.

WHY WERE THEY SHOWING UP? BECAUSE ALL THOSE JOBS WERE SHOWING UP, RIGHT? ALL THESE APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOW IN QUESTION AND, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY VACANT, UM, YOU KNOW, SAME DEAL.

PEOPLE WANTED TO FIND A PLACE TO LIVE NEAR WORK.

THEY LOOKED DIFFERENT FROM BACK THEN, BECAUSE IN THE LATE NINETIES, AS MOST OF US REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA OF MIXED USES AND PUTTING THINGS CLOSE TO EACH OTHER WAS NOT THE, THE STYLE.

UM, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WOULD SAY THIS ERA OF DEVELOPMENT IN WHICH YOU IS MORE WALKABLE AND MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE MIXED USE RATHER THAN A SINGLE USE IS MORE RESILIENT.

I WOULD SEE THIS STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT PER, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINING ITSELF OVER TIME IN A WAY THAT WHAT WE BUILT 30 YEARS AGO DIDN'T LAST VERY LONG.

RIGHT? THE VALUES OF THOSE OF THOSE APARTMENTS HAVE DROPPED VALUES OF THOSE, UM, OFFICE BUILDINGS HAVE GONE TO ZERO IN SOME CASES.

I WOULD SAY THIS NEW WAY OF BUILDING MIXED USES IS A GOOD MARKETS WILL, REAL ESTATE MARKETS ALWAYS CYCLE, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE USE ON 50 ACRES AND THAT CYCLE GOES DOWN, YOU'RE SUNK ON THOSE 50 ACRES, YOU'RE SEEING THAT IF YOU'VE GOT A MIX OF USES, IT CAN CYCLE THROUGH.

AND THE ECONOMIC RESILIENCE OF THAT 50 ACRES CAN SUSTAIN ITSELF OVER THOSE CYCLES.

WELL, IT'S A SOURCE OF DATA I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE ON SOME OF THESE, UH, UH, POINTS.

AND I'LL SEE FROM DIRECTOR COOK IF SHE'S GOT THE 2016 VOLUME.

I'VE NOT SEEN THAT ONE.

I'VE SEEN THE TWO SUBSEQUENT.

AND IF NOT, MAYBE WE CAN MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR ME TO GET MY HANDS ON THE 2016.

SO YEAH, I'M ALWAYS READY TO TALK ABOUT DATA.

ALRIGHT, THANKS.

SOUNDS GREAT.

I I'LL RESONATE THOSE SAME THOUGHTS.

I LOVE GETTING REPORTS AND DATA JUST TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S OUT THERE.

AND YOU'RE JUST GETTING ON A POINT THAT I WAS REALLY GONNA ASK ABOUT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT OLDER MULTIFAMILY, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE CONCERNS WERE, WHERE THAT WAS PUBLIC SAFETY WAS EDUCATIONAL TAXATION OF OUR SYSTEM WAS REALLY A GENERATION OF, OF CONCERN.

AND SINCE THAT PERIOD, THEN WE'VE KIND OF CREATED A MULTI MULTI-USE, WHICH HAS NOW CHANGED A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROFILE OF WHO IS ACTUALLY RENTING THE, RENTING THE PRODUCT, RIGHT? SO THAT YOU, WE CAN LOOK AT THE PRODUCT, WE CAN LOOK AT THE INVENTORY.

THE QUESTION IS WHO IS ACTUALLY, WHAT'S THAT, WHAT'S THAT PERSONA OF THAT PROFILE OF THAT PERSON WHO'S ACTUALLY RENTING THAT? TO DISCOVER A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT, I'D LOVE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA BEHIND THAT, THE AVERAGE AGE, THE FAMILIES, THE CONSTRUCT OF WHO'S ACTUALLY IN THE MULTI-FAMILY GENERATION.

BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE CHANGED THE PRODUCT A LITTLE BIT.

AND IT'D BE GOOD TO SEE THAT CORRELATION BETWEEN THE OLD GARDEN STYLE AND THE MIXED USE AND WHO IS ACTUALLY IN THERE.

BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE HEARING MORE AND MORE AVERAGE AGES OF 54, YOU KNOW, 55 THAT ARE IN SOME OF THESE MULTI FAMILIES BEFORE IT WAS YOUNGER FAMILY, BIGGER, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES AND, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO I'D LOVE TO KIND OF PARSE THAT PIECE OUT A LITTLE BIT.

WE, WE ARE, ARE WE DOING A GOOD JOB IN THE LAND PLANNING OF USING THE MIXED USE CONSTRUCT VERSUS THE TAXATION THAT WE HAD ON THE, THE GARDEN STYLE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU'VE GOT MOST OF THAT DATA THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN YOUR HANDS, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR RENTER IS TRENDING OLDER AND MORE AFFLUENT AS A, AS A GENERAL TERM.

THE DATA IS SHOWING THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE BA THAT'S THE MAJOR SHIFT AS YOU'RE SEEING OLDER HOUSEHOLDS AND MORE AFFLUENT HOUSEHOLDS SHOW UP IN YOUR, IN YOUR RENTAL.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE CENSUS DATA.

AND AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO LAG A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T, NONE OF US CAN WALK IN AND ASK AN APARTMENT, UM, LISA OR YOU KNOW, WHO'S RENTING HERE, THAT'S, THERE'S FIRE HOUSING LAWS AGAINST THAT.

SO, SO, UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

UH, WE WERE, WE WERE LOOKING AT SIX.

THERE ARE GROUPS THAT DO SURVEYS AND DO, THERE ARE, THERE ARE SURVEYS.

THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY, THAT DATA IS OUT THERE.

SO, GOOD.

, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THAT DATA IS OUT THERE.

I I, I WAS PUT, I CAN PUT MY HANDS ON THAT DATA.

AND MY POINT THERE IS, I UNDERSTAND YOU GOT SENIOR HOUSING IN THERE AND YOU GOT THOSE KIND OF PIECES IN AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME.

I'M KIND OF GOING MORE TO AGE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE UNITS.

RIGHT? AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT HERE.

THAT'S THE CENSUS DUDE IS TELLING ME THAT.

I'LL, I'LL KEEP LOOKING THROUGH IT, BUT I WAS, I WAS MISSING THAT DETAIL IN THERE, SO I'M NOT SURE I'M REALLY GETTING IT.

BUT THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN REEVES, DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA ON, UM, SOME OF THESE OLDER, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, UM, HAVE BEEN REFINANCED AND TAKEN FEDERAL FUNDS AND HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THEIR UNITS DEDICATED TO, UM, SECTION EIGHT HOUSING? DOES THEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA ON THAT? NOT INCLUDED HERE.

I MEAN, THAT DATA EXISTS.

I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T PULLED IT FOR, FOR THIS PIECE, BUT ANY OF THE NEW STUFF, ANY OF THE NEW MULTIFAMILY BUILT IN, IN ALPHARETTA IS A HUNDRED PERCENT, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE FINANCED, UM, OKAY.

I MEAN, YEAH, THAT'S, THERE'S

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RIGHT, RIGHT.

THAT DOESN'T NEED, BUT THERE'S OTHER STUFF THAT IS ALREADY EXISTING.

I WOULD SAY YES, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE DATA RIGHT NOW AT MY FINGERTIPS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THIS.

I ALSO TAKE A MOMENT TO, TO THANK COUNCILMAN GIL BACK IN 2014, WHO LOST A LOT OF SIX ONE VOTES ON APARTMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED BACK IN THOSE DAYS.

AND, AND I SAID, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DATA BECAUSE IT WASN'T ABOUT JUST THE APARTMENTS.

APARTMENTS ARE PART OF A COMMUNITY AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND I HAD CONCERNS WHEN WE APPROVED SO MANY IN, IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

AND AVALON WAS PART OF THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, AVALON'S BEEN GREAT, BUT MY CONCERN WAS PEOPLE IN APARTMENTS AND, AND THE AVERAGE MAY HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN, BUT BACK WHEN I WAS DOING THE RESEARCH BACK IN 2012, 2014, TYPICAL RENTAL IN AN APARTMENT ONLY STAYS THERE FOR TWO YEARS.

THEY'RE NOT VESTED IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND WHAT IS MADE ALPHARETTA SPECIAL IS PEOPLE MOVED HERE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD AND THEN WHEN THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A JOB TRANSFER SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY STAYED HERE.

THEY BOUGHT HOMES, BOUGHT CONDOS WHEN CONDOS COULD ACTUALLY BE BUILT.

AND, AND SO I, I WANTED TO HAVE SOME DATA BECAUSE I THOUGHT IF YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT AREN'T VESTED IN YOUR COMMUNITY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A STABLE COMMUNITY.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A STABLE POLITICAL ARENA BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T CARE.

I, I LIVED IN APARTMENTS FOR A LONG TIME WHEN I WAS YOUNGER AND I COULDN'T AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE.

AND SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T VOTE IN THOSE ELECTIONS OR DIDN'T REALLY CARE WHO MY MAYOR WAS 'CAUSE I WAS LEAVING WHEN MY LEASE WAS UP.

SO I, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT DATA FOR US TO JUST INCORPORATE WITH ALL THE OTHER DATA WE COLLECT.

AND THE GOAL OF MY GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN I WANT ALPHARETTA TO BE THE BEST CITY IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA TO RAISE A FAMILY AND BUILD A BUSINESS.

NOW, THERE IS A CONFLICT ON SOME RATIOS, LIKE JOHNS CREEK HAS FEWER PEOPLE IN IT DURING THE DAY THAN I DO AT NIGHT.

WE DON'T, WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE PEOPLE HERE DURING THE DAY AND SOMETIMES THAT SHOWS UP IN CRIME STATISTICS OR TRAFFIC ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT JOHN STREET DOES A GREAT JOB OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A BALANCE WITH A, THE TYPE OF ECONOMIC CLIMATE WE HAVE IN THIS CITY, THERE'S TRADE-OFFS.

AND THAT'S JUST WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT EVERY DAY.

AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO GET ACTUAL DATA TO SUPPORT THE DECISIONS WE'RE MAKING.

THAT BEING SAID, IF WE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.

IT'S A WORK SESSION.

WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING.

WE'RE JUST HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS IN PUBLIC BECAUSE IT'S YOUR MONEY AND YOUR CITY.

SO, MR. LAGER BLOOM, DO WE HAVE TO BRING UP TOM HARRIS ON THE BUDGET? WELL, WE DON'T, UM, WE COULD PUT THIS OFF.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR.

[B. Fiscal Year 2027 Budget
Discussion of the upcoming FY 2027 budget.]

THIS IS KIND OF A PREVIEW OF THE FISCAL BUDGET THAT'LL BE WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH PROCESSES IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS.

SO, UM, YOU'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING TONIGHT.

YOU'RE SEEING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

YOU CAN SPEND AS LITTLE OR AS MUCH TIME WITH TOM TONIGHT AS YOU'D LIKE , LITTLE .

HE'S REALLY HOPING FOR A NICE LONG EVENING.

HE'S JUST READY TO SETTLE IN.

I MEAN, I MADE THAT MOTION THIS MORNING AT LIKE NINE O'CLOCK.

SO , THIS IS THE BIG, BIG BEAUTIFUL BUDGET.

OH NO, .

SIX O'CLOCK.

TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT WHERE WE STAND, YOU KNOW, AT THE RETREAT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH, HOW DID WE FINISHED THE PRIOR YEAR AND ALL THAT STUFF.

UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UM, THAT IS CORRECT.

WE JUST, UH, RELEASED A TENTATIVE BUDGET LAST WEEK, UH, WEDNESDAY ON THE 29TH.

AND, UH, AND, UH, WITH THAT, I JUST GOT A FEW SLIDES TO TRY TO KEEP US AT A HIGH LEVEL IN THIS, THE BUDGET DOCUMENT ITSELF IS 320 PAGES.

IT'S, UH, GREAT EFFORT DRAWN IN THE DEPARTMENT AND EVERYTHING, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT BUDGET BOOK, IT'S, IT'S THE GFOA GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICE ASSOCIATION TYPE BUDGET BOOK.

SO IT'S GOT A LOT OF HISTORY OF, OF WHO WE ARE, OUR MILLAGE RATES, WHAT WE'VE DONE, UH, THE DEBT, THE BONDS, ALL THAT STUFF.

SO IT'S A GREAT DOCUMENT TO GO THROUGH AND POUR THROUGH.

AND WE DO A LOT OF THAT DISCUSSION AT THE RETREAT, WHICH HELPS US AS A CITY.

SO WE REALLY

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SO AT THAT POINT WE'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PRESENT THAT BUDGET AND, AND AT LEAST TONIGHT BEING THE FIRST NIGHT, TRY TO STAY AT A HIGHER LEVEL OF WHAT'S IN IT, WHAT'S NOT IN IT TYPE THING, AND, AND GO FROM THERE.

SO, UH, THE, THE AGENDA OBVIOUSLY IS A LITTLE QUICK, UH, ON THE BUDGET PROCESS AND RECAP, AND THEN SOME HIGHLIGHTS AND THEN THE CITYWIDE BUDGET, ET CETERA.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY ENDING WITH THE CALENDAR, UM, THE BUDGET PROCESS.

UH, I JUST LIKE TO SHOW THIS THAT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING FOR, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH THREE QUARTERS OF THE YEAR.

AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, THANKS TO REALLY ALL OF OUR EFFORTS AND, AND COUNCILMAN UH, BRADY THAT WE REALLY WORKED IN, ALONG WITH CHRIS LAGER BLOOM TO MAKE SURE WE SORT OF TIDY UP OUR FIVE YEAR CIP, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

AND LAST YEAR, YOU, YOU GO THROUGH LAST YEAR'S BUDGET DOCUMENT, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT WAS IN THERE, THE FUNDED AND THE UNFUNDED PORTION.

UM, AND, AND BASICALLY, UH, WE START RIGHT AWAY AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER, DECEMBER, WORKING WITH DEPARTMENTS.

OKAY, UPDATE IT, UPDATE ALL FIVE YEARS.

AND THE GOAL BEING THAT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN JUST, OOPS, EXCUSE ME, WHEN YOU GET TO THE NEXT YEAR, YOU JUST ROLL FORWARD THE NEXT CIP LIST INTO THE, INTO THE CAPITAL, INTO YOUR OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGET.

BUT ANYWAYS, AND WE HAVE THE RETREAT AND THEN, UH, WE WORK WITH DEPARTMENTS ON A TARGET BUDGET.

IT'S NOT ZERO BASED AND, AND THAT KIND OF CONCEPT, BUT IT CLEARLY IS GOING THROUGH WHAT THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY ON LAST YEAR, LAST FEW YEARS, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PRESSURE POINTS? AND WE TRY TO ESTABLISH A REASONABLE TARGET.

IT'S NOT, UH, SOMETHING ACROSS THE BOARD OR NOT BY DEPARTMENT.

IT'S, IT'S WHAT, WHAT SOME OF THEIR ISSUES ARE.

WITH THAT SAID, ANYTHING THAT'S A NEW INITIATIVE OR A NEW OPERATING OR CAPITAL INITIATIVE IS SEPARATED, MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT PROCESS.

WE KEEP THAT OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET.

WE DON'T BURY THAT INTO THE BUDGET.

IT IS AN ITEM FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT THAT DEPARTMENT GETS THAT OPERATING OR INITIATIVE.

AND LASTLY, AS WE WORK IN FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL AND GET THE BUDGET DONE, UH, I WANNA SAY THAT IT'S REALLY BEEN AN EFFORT BY CHRIS SINCE HE'S BEEN HERE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WITH OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS, UH, PRETTY MUCH, UM, THEY SIT IN THE ROOM AND GO OVER EVERYBODY'S LINE ITEM BUDGET TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY WANT TO GO TO THE REAL DETAIL LINE ITEM OR HIGH LEVEL, WHAT IS THAT DEPARTMENT, JUST THEIR BASE BUDGET, WHAT'S AFFECTING THEM.

AND UH, THEY'RE ALL ENCOURAGED US TO BE THERE AND THEN, AND THEN GET IN LINE.

OF COURSE, KATHY USUALLY WINS ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION ARGUMENT.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UH, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY OPEN PROCESS.

BUT, UH, SHE MISSED IT.

, , UH, BUT ANYWAYS, UM, SO WITH THE BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS, I JUST, OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALWAYS TRY TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSERVATIVE.

BUDGETING.

A FEW YEARS BACK I THINK WE WERE REALLY CONSERVATIVE AS WE WENT INTO COVID.

WE, WE THOUGHT THINGS WERE REALLY GONNA, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, WHEELS WERE GONNA FALL OFF.

SO WE WERE END UP HAVING A LOT OF FUN BALANCE FALL TO THE BOTTOM LINE.

'CAUSE ACTUALLY THE REVENUES DIDN'T DO QUITE AS BAD AS WE THOUGHT.

SO WE MADE THOSE CUTS AND STUFF AND, AND THEN I THINK WE GOT A LITTLE TIRED THE LAST FEW YEARS.

SO YOU'LL NOTICE OUR FUND BALANCE THAT WE DROPPED TO THE BOTTOM LINE.

IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO LIKE 5 MILLION.

IT WAS LIKE 10 MILLION DURING THE COVID TYPE YEARS.

AND, AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TIGHT.

AGAIN, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE BUDGET THE RATING AGENCIES LOVE TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT YOUR REVENUES COME IN TWO TO 3% BETTER THAN, THAN WHAT YOU BUDGETED.

AND THEN THE EXPENDITURES COME TWO TO 3% LESS ON A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR GENERAL FUND BUDGET, YOU KNOW, 6 MILLION OR SO THAT YOU DROP TO THE BOTTOM LINE TYPE THINGS.

AND THAT FUNDS OUR CAPITAL, OR AT LEAST A PORTION OF OUR CAPITAL.

ANYWAYS, THIS BUDGET IS BALANCED ON A, UH, 5.75 MILAGE RATE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE RETREAT THAT BECAUSE YOU GOT LEVEL DEBT ON ALL OUR GEO BONDS THAT SORT OF WRAP AROUND EACH OTHER THROUGH AT LEAST THROUGH THE 2000, UH, 42 YEAR, UH, IT'S PRETTY LEVEL AT 6.5 TO $7 MILLION LEVEL, THAT WHEN WE GET A VALUE INCREASE, THEN OUR DEBT MILLAGE CAN ACTUALLY DROP.

'CAUSE WE HAVE AN OPERATING AND A DEBT MILLAGE RATE THAT'S ESTABLISHED AND THE TWO OF WHICH COMBINED FOR 5.75 MILLS.

SO WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO DROP A LITTLE BIT OF THAT DEBT MILLAGE, WE MOVE IT OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND HAS BEEN THE PROCESS OF INCREASING SLIGHTLY THE GENERAL FUND, WE TRY TO PUT THAT ASIDE FOR CAPITAL.

OBVIOUSLY IT DEPENDS ON THAT YEAR'S DEMANDS AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE DEMANDS THAT ARE THIS YEAR.

BUT, SO THAT'S, THAT MOVE MOVED ABOUT $145,000, UM, OUT OF, UH, I MEAN 180,000 OUT OF THE DEBT SERVICE FUND.

AND, AND MAGIC OF MATH, IT ONLY GENERATES ABOUT 145,000 TO THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE JUST SOMETHING WE ALL NEED TO KNOW.

THE FLOATING HOMESTEAD AND YOUR $45,000 HOMESTEAD DOES NOT APPLY TO THE, TO THE DEBT MILLAGE SIDE OF THE, THE DEBT MILLAGE STRUCTURE.

IT APPLIES TO THE OPERATING MILLAGE RATE.

SO, UH, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT DIGESTS SO TO SPEAK.

THERE'S A DIGEST FOR THE DEBT, UH, FOR THE

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DEBT OF THE CITY.

AND THEN THERE'S A DIGEST THAT IS FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, AFTER YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION OF FLOATING HOMESTEAD REMOVES ABOUT $2 BILLION OF TAXABLE VALUE OFF THE TAX ROLLS.

SO THAT'S WHY THE DOLLAR DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND.

BUT THAT'S JUST, THAT'S ME JUST TRYING TO BE SMART ON MONDAY NIGHT LATE AND, UH, .

BUT ANYWAYS, UH, WE DID TRY TO MAINTAIN OUR COMPETITIVE SALARY.

SO WE DO HAVE THE 3% MERIT IN THERE.

WE DO MAKE SOME MARKET ADJUSTMENTS, UM, FOR, UH, WE STARTED THAT A FEW YEARS AGO.

CHRIS HAS, UH, RANDALL HAS A VERY, UM, UH, ROBUST SYSTEM WITH, UH, CONSULTANT AND LOOKING AT THE CITIES AROUND US TO MAKE SURE WHERE WE OUT OF ALIGNMENT.

AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, INSIDE THE BUDGET IT'S APPROXIMATELY 2% FOR GENERAL EMPLOYEES AND BECAUSE OF A LITTLE BIT FALLING BEHIND IN THE MARKET AND THEN SOME FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND FIRE ENGINEERS AND THAT PUBLIC SAFE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY POLICE AND, AND E NUMBER ONE, WERE RIGHT AT MARKET, SO THERE'S NO ADJUSTMENTS THERE.

SO THOSE ADJUSTMENTS ALONG WITH THE 3% IS INCLUDED.

BUT THAT MARKET ADJUSTMENT, I THINK AS WE COULD SAY, HAS BEEN GETTING A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER, A LOT CLOSER BECAUSE WE WERE OUTTA MARKET A FEW YEARS AGO.

AND THEN YOU GUYS THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS HAVE BROUGHT US MUCH MORE IN LINE.

SO WE DON'T EXPECT THAT TO BE HOPEFULLY NOT A YEAR OVER YEAR ADJUSTMENT, UM, AFTER WE GIVE OUR 3% MERIT.

SO, UM, THEN THE NEXT THING IS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE, AT THE RETREAT OBVIOUSLY IS, AND, AND WE DID AT MIDYEAR LAST YEAR, WE WERE HIT WITH SOME ISSUES OF, OF TRYING TO SOLVE A JAIL ISSUE IN THE COUNTY GETS UP AND WALKS AWAY.

AND SO THEREFORE THE BUDGET, OBVIOUSLY THIS YEAR, IN THE CURRENT YEAR AND THEN NEXT YEAR HAS TO IS, IS TRYING TO, UM, FULLY FUND THAT PROCESS.

SO WE HAD TO PICK UP ABOUT, UM, UH, LEMME SEE, TWO AND A HALF, $800,000 RELATED TO E NINE, I'M SORRY, THE JAIL.

AND THEN ABOUT 200,000, 200, 230,000 FOR E 9 1 1.

SO, UH, SUBSIDIZATION, BECAUSE THE E 9 1 1, WE TALKED ABOUT THE RETREAT AS WELL, THE REVENUES JUST ARE, IT'S, IT'S A DOLLAR 50 THAT WE GET ON THE, UH, CELL PHONES AND THE LANDLINES.

AND THAT NUMBER IS JUST NOT INCREASING ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND WE'RE PROBABLY NOT UNIQUE, BUT, AND WE ARE UNIQUE IN A SENSE THAT WE HAVE US AND MILTON ON THAT, AND MILTON'S IGA IS CAPPED THAT THEY JUST GIVE US THEIR FULL NINE ONE $1 THAT THEY GET.

SO AT THIS TIME THEN THE GENERAL FUND IS PICKING UP A SUBSIDY IN TOTAL NOW FOR ABOUT, UH, 800,000.

SO, UH, WE WOULD BE LOOKING HOPEFULLY WITH MILTON DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE COULD GET, YOU KNOW, THEIR SHARE OF THAT, WHICH IS ABOUT 27% OF THE CALLS, ABOUT 216,000.

BUT RIGHT NOW THAT SUBSIDY WITHOUT MILTON SHARE IS, WITHOUT MILTON COVERING THEIR SHARE IS REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET.

SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN THINGS THAT ARE DRIVING THE BUDGET.

UH, M AND L GROWTH IS VERY LIMITED.

UH, OBVIOUSLY SOME UTILITY EXPENSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT DRIVING IT.

AND THEN, UH, THE 2020, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CAPITAL THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING IN THE BUDGET BOOK, AND IT'S ALSO BACK AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION, UM, MOST OF THOSE ITEMS WERE IDENTIFIED IN LAST YEAR'S, THE, THE FIRST YEAR GOING FORWARD IN A FIVE YEAR CFP LAST YEAR.

AND THEN YOU'RE ROLLING IT IN SO THERE'S NO REAL SURPRISES IN WHAT MAKES UP THAT LIST.

SO THAT'S THE HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF THE BUDGET, SO TO SPEAK.

AND THEN NEXT WE'LL JUST, UH, JUMP INTO, AND THIS IS MORE OF A, JUST A REMINDER SHEET OF WHAT MAKES UP $182 MILLION BUDGET.

UM, AND THAT BUDGET'S ABOUT 20 MILLION GREATER THAN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY TS PLUS TYPE.

UH, UH, FINALLY, RECONCILING HOW MUCH ON T TPOS, TWO, HOW MUCH REVENUES WE'RE GONNA TAKE IN AS WE FINALIZE THE LAST YEAR OF TPOS.

AND, UH, WE, WE BRING IN ABOUT $10 MILLION INTO THE BUDGET AS IT RELATES TO TPOS.

SO, UH, THAT'S MOST OF IT.

AND THEN IF YOU'RE GONNA LOOK THERE, YOU GOT TO THE RIGHT, WELL, LET'S DROP TO THE BOTTOM.

THERE'S THE PIE CHART 'CAUSE WE LOVE PIE CHARTS.

AND DOWN AT THE BOTTOM LEFT YOU'LL SEE THE POSITIONS.

THERE'S ONE REDUCTION IN POSITIONS, PRIMARILY THE REORG OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT INTO THE TWO SEPARATE DEPARTMENTS AND THE, UH, JOHN ROBINSON'S MOVEMENT UPSTAIRS AS SUPPOSED TO BE IN DOWN THERE.

SO YOU GOT ELIMINATION OF ONE POSITION AS A DIRECTOR IN THAT POSITION.

UM, THE BUDGET TO THE RIGHT IS PRETTY MUCH THE FULL BUDGET OF THE 182 MILLION.

WHAT MAKES IT UP THE GENERAL FUND IS, IS UH, UP ABOUT 4 MILLION.

THAT'S $107 MILLION BUDGET NOW.

UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE E 9 1 1.

UH, I MENTIONED EARLIER WE, OUR REVENUES ARE ABOUT 4 MILLION OUTTA THAT 5 MILLION AND, AND UM, MILTON GIVES US A MILLION, UH, FOR THAT $5.2 MILLION BUDGET.

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BUT IT IS BEING BALANCED BY AN $800,000 TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND OVER TO TO THAT FUND.

UH, AFTER THAT, UH, UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU GET YOUR HOTEL MOTEL FUND, THAT'S THE EIGHT PENNIES AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE DOLLARS COME IN, THEN WE DISTRIBUTE TO A CVB INTO US, ET CETERA.

UM, DOWN AT CAPITAL GRANT FUNDS, THE MAIN FUND THAT WE GENERALLY FOCUS ON FROM A STANDPOINT OF BEING LIKE A SISTER FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND IS THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND AND THE STORM WATER FUND BECAUSE THEY GET THEIR DOLLARS FROM THE GENERAL FUND OPERATIONS WHERE TPOS GETS THEIR FROM TPOS.

SO WE'LL TALK IN A MINUTE ABOUT HOW, UH, OF THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUND OF $8.3 MILLION, $8.6 MILLION, WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM.

AND UH, AFTER THAT YOU GET THE DEBT SERVICE FUND, LIKE I SAID, STAYS LEVEL ABOUT 6.7 BILLION.

UH, SOLID WASTE FUND IS UP ABOUT 4% BECAUSE OF UH, REPUBLIC'S CONTRACT.

AND WE'VE PASSED THOSE RATES ON ALREADY THROUGH TO OUR RESIDENTS UNDER THE RESOLUTION THAT WE GOTTA KEEP UP WITH THE, THAT RATE STRUCTURE SO THAT WE CAN PAY FOR THAT BILL.

UM, THE REST OF THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MEDICAL INSURANCE FUND THE OTHER DAY AT $10 MILLION, UH, BASED ON THE EIGHT POINT A HALF PERCENT INCREASE IN OUR MEDICAL CLAIMS, ET CETERA.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ACCOUNT FOR ALL THOSE, THAT ACTIVITY.

AND UH, AND THEN THERE'S A FEW FIDUCIARY FUNDS FOR OUR RETIREMENT REIMBURSEMENT, UH, HEALTH REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS.

SO THAT'S IT.

UNLESS THERE'S BIG QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE TRY TO HONE IN REALLY.

OH, YOU GOT QUESTIONS OR IS THAT A ? OH, OKAY.

I WAS WAITING FOR HIM TO STOP TALKING BEFORE I .

WELL, I'M TRYING MY BEST NOT TO LET HIM IN, BUT NO, JUST KIDDING.

COUNCILMAN HYPES.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UM, UH, KIND OF PREVIEW SOME OF THIS WITH YOU TODAY.

APPRECIATE A CITY THAT LETS ME MEET DIRECTLY WITH THE DIRECTOR TO GET INFORMATION.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT JUMPS OFF THE PAGE, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS WORK SESSION IS A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE REALLY SIZABLE INCREASE OF, UM, ON, ON THE CAPITAL SIDE, 11 MILLION OF WHICH HAVING GONE THROUGH THIS, THAT'S MOSTLY SLOS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO, PRECISE QUESTION I HAVE BEFORE I GET INTO SOME BROADER ISSUES HERE IS ON PAGE SEVEN OF YOUR HANDOUT WHERE IT HAS TLOS ONE AND TLOS TWO, UH, WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ANY MORE MONEY ON TLOS ONE, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO THAT'S JUST MONEY THAT WAS HAD BEEN COLLECTED FOR TLOS ONE, BUT NOT THUS FAR SPENT THUS FAR APPROPRIATED SPECIFICALLY TO A PROJECT.

SO WE EVEN THOUGH, LET ME JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

EVEN THOUGH THE, THE ORIGINAL TIER ONE, TIER TWO, TIER THREE PROJECT LIST WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND EVERYTHING ELSE, SO TO PETE BRIGGS FORWARD, GENERALLY THE BID OR THE RFP DOESN'T ALWAYS APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS.

SO YES, THAT'S A TIER FORWARD.

SO THAT'S, WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ANYMORE, BUT THERE'S UNAPPROPRIATED MONEY.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING IN THIS WORK SESSION IS THAT COUNCIL BE GIVEN, UH, IN, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME SORT OF FRAMEWORK ON HOW WE CAN COLLECTIVELY DECIDE TO BEST SPEND MM-HMM UH, 2.23 MILLION, $2.24 MILLION.

THAT'S TLO ONE AND NO MORE IS COMING IN.

WE JUST GOTTA APPROPRIATE THE MONEY IN A WAY CONSISTENT WITH TLOS RULES AND REGS.

THAT IS ALSO BEST FOR OUR CITY.

AND THAT'S PRESENTED IN THE BACK TO SOME OF IT AS IDENTIFIED TO GO TOWARDS WE BRIDGE, RIGHT? WE BRIDGE, UH, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS CAN GET TO US SO THAT WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S DO SOMETHING WITH THIS MONEY THAT'S SITTING HERE, UH, TO FOR THE INCOMING BUDGET.

UM, AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT ON T SLOS TWO, WE ARE STILL COLLECTING ON TS PLUS TWO, CORRECT? YEAH.

OF THIRD MAY.

CORRECT? REPEAT THAT QUESTION.

SO THERE'S, I'M SORRY, MARCH.

YEAH, THERE'S A SUM OF MONEY THERE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN BE, UH, DEALT WITH.

SO WHAT I'M SEEING IN, IN THE BUDGET IS JUST RIGHT HERE IN SLOSS ONE AND TWO ON PAGE SEVEN I'M SEEING $19 MILLION FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AND WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH SLOSS THREE, WHICH WILL HAVE AN IMPACT OF CLOSE TO 72 MILLION.

SO YOU TAKE 19 AND 72, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT $89 MILLION WORTH OF TRANSPORTATION, EARMARK, EARMARKED TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR SLOSS.

MM-HMM .

ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S CAPITAL IN THIS BUDGET IS REALLY TIGHT.

THAT'S DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR SLOSS.

ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR TELOS THAT'S NOT TRANSPORTATION SUCH AS STORM WATER SUCH AS FLEET REPLACEMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL HAVE SOME HARD CHOICES TO MAKE.

CORRECT? SO ORDINARILY OUR FUND,

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OUR, UH, CAPITAL FUND FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, WHICH YOU HAVE IN HERE AT $475,000 IN PRIOR YEARS, WHAT'S IT BEEN IN PRIOR YEARS THAT WHERE WE COULD FUND CAPITAL IN THE EXISTING YEAR, THE, THE ACTUAL LINE ITEM GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTION, IT'S BEEN UPWARDS TOWARDS FOUR, UH, GENERALLY AROUND 3 MILLION.

AND THEN IT DROPPED DOWN A MILLION AND A HALF THIS PAST YEAR, NOW IT'S AT 475.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THREE TO $5 MILLION WHEN IN FLUSH TIMES RIGHT NOW, THIS BUDGET HAS 4 75 TO GO INTO CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE NON TRANSPORTATION RELATED, CORRECT? PRIMARILY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND WE CAN SEE THAT ON ALL THE ITEMS THAT HAVE, UH, BOTH ARE INCLUDED AND NOT INCLUDED IN TERMS OF THE CHOICES THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE AS A COUNCIL, CORRECT.

UH, ON WHAT, HOW WE WANNA PRIORITIZE.

SO, UM, IT'S KIND OF NEAT THAT WE GOT ALL THIS TRANSPORTATION MONEY, IT'S UM, A LITTLE DAUNTING.

NOT NOT TOO BAD, BUT I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A, SOMETHING THAT WE GOTTA KEEP OUR EYE ON, I THINK, UH, DURING THIS WORK SESSION TO EXPRESS, UM, HOW WE HANDLE NON TRANSPORTATION CAPITAL ITEMS BOTH THIS YEAR AND IN FUTURE YEARS.

UM, SO, UM, NOW ON THE OPERATIONS SIDE, I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 1 0 4 FROM THE BUDGET AND IT APPEARS ELSEWHERE OUR, OUR ANNUAL INCREASE IN EXPENSES IS 4.7%, CORRECT? CORRECT.

FOR THE OPERATING BUDGET.

SO HOW ARE WE DOING REVENUE WISE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT 4.7%? WE, WE, ARE WE MAKING CHOICES ALONG THE WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR REVENUES KEEP UP WITH 4.7% ANNUAL EXPENSE INCREASE FOR OPERATIONS? YES.

SO I DON'T THINK I CAN SAY NO, BUT YES, WE, WE DO.

AND UH, SO, UM, NOW I LOOKED AT, UH, AND YOU KNOW, I REALLY WANNA ENGAGE AS MANY FOLKS UP HERE AS I CAN IN THIS, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT ALL THE, UH, PROPOSALS FOR DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE DOWN ONE OR MORE PERSONS, UH, AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALL READ THE DOCUMENT AND SEE WHERE, UH, OPERATIONALLY WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMEBODY IN THIS DEPARTMENT OR THAT DEPARTMENT.

I WON'T NAME ONE 'CAUSE I ALREADY PUT MY FOOT IN MY MOUTH EARLIER WHEN I NAMED SOMETHING AND THAT'S NOT GOOD.

BUT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T INCLUDE THOSE BECAUSE WE'RE USING THE MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO MEET THAT 4.7% EXPENSE INCREASE.

IF WE HAD MORE MONEY WE'D PUT IT IN.

ALTHOUGH, YES, SOME OF SOME OR ANY NEW INITIATIVES THAT RECENTLY CAME UP IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, IT'S THE, IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE JAIL NEED 9 1 1.

SO, AND, AND I WANT TO GET TO THAT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE MAY HAVE NO CHOICE TO MAKE, OR WE MAY HAVE CHOICES IN THE FUTURE, BUT WHAT'S, WHAT IS THE TOTAL ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE JAIL? AT ONE POINT I SAW 1.98 MILLION, ANOTHER POINT I SAW 2.5 MILLION.

WHAT IS THE IMPACT IN THIS BUDGET OF COST FOR THE JAIL PERSONNEL AND NON-PERSONNEL RELATED? IT'S 2.5 MILLION, 2.5.

AND YOU KNOW, I, I KINDA LOOKED AT YOU ON THE E 9 1 1, THE E 9 1 1 ISSUE, AND IT'S ON THE BACK PAGE OF YOUR, YOUR HANDOUT HERE.

IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, NOT 200, NOT 200,000.

OUR SUBSIDY IS 500 SOME THOUSAND.

THE TOTAL SUBSIDY IS 800 OF WHICH WE'RE PICKING UP THAT 800, HOPING THAT DOWN THE ROAD WE CAN NEGOTIATE FOR THEM TO PICK UP THEIR 226,000.

SO IF IT, IF IT WERE TO BE 800 AND IT WAS 2.5, WE INCLUDED IN THAT 4.7% ANNUAL INCREASE OF EXPENSES IS $3.3 MILLION IF YOU ADD TWO AND A HALF.

EMPLOYEES FROM WHERE WE STARTED THE PREVIOUS FROM ORIGINAL BUDGET.

SINCE, DIDN'T THERE THE EXPENSES, BUT AS FAR AS THE INCREMENTAL PIECES, WE ALREADY HAD, THE BUDGET WAS AMENDED TO INCLUDE 1.7 MILLION OUT OF THE 2.5 NEEDED FOR THE JAIL.

AND THEN SO YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE THAT $800,000 NUT THERE THAT'S IN THE 4.7 ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL 230,000 FOR THE E 9 1 1.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I SAY ALL THE TIME, I GOT THREE JOBS AS A COUNCILMAN, YOU KNOW, I, I MAKE LAND USE DECISIONS, I DO OTHERS, AND I, I TRY TO VOTE BEST I CAN FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO SET PRIORITIES THROUGH WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET.

AND SO WE GOT 15 PEOPLE AT THE JAIL, UH, THAT MAKES UP THE BULK OF, OF THE COST ON THE JAIL, THE PERSONNEL COSTS.

AND THOSE 15 ADDITIONAL PEOPLE ARE INCLUDED IN THE 4 88, BUT THEY WERE ADDED MID-YEAR LAST YEAR.

WE STARTED OUT THE YEAR PREVIOUSLY AT 4 73.

WE DIDN'T START AT 4 88, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY DOWN ONE, WE'RE ACTUALLY UP 15 IN TERMS OF OUR INCREASE IN

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YEP, YEP.

SO THAT IS THE NOT AMENDED BUDGET.

SO THAT IS THE IMPACT OF THE JAIL.

AND SO THE IMPACT OF THE JAIL IS TWO AND A HALF MILLION.

E NINE ONE ONES GOT FIGURED OUT, THAT'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 800,000 OR 590,000 DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.

AND THROUGH IT ALL, WE, WE'VE GOT LIKE TWO NEW INITIATIVES OF, OF CHANGE ON THE OPERATING BUDGET AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST MORE OF THE SAME.

AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WANTS ACROSS THE BOARD AND I'VE, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND WILL BE OVER THE NEXT THREE WEEKS, SIX WEEKS, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE, HOW DO, HOW DO I BEST SERVE THE CITY? RIGHT.

ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

UM, BUT THOSE ARE, THAT, THOSE NUMBERS, THAT'S WHERE THE BIGGEST IMPACTS ARE.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND, AND SO I KNOW IT'S WRITTEN IN THERE, BUT IT'S WRITTEN ALL OVER THE PLACE.

IT DOESN'T SAY IN ONE PLACE THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE THE IMPACT IS ON THAT 4.7% INCREASE IN OUR EXPENSES.

I'LL, I'LL AGREE WITH YOU.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? MUST HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.

ANY OTHER DETAILS THAT WE GOOD.

DON'T LET IT GO TO YOUR HEAD.

SO THIS WAS ALSO, YEAH, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THE GENERAL FUND IS, THE NEXT PAGE IS AFTER THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

UM, AND UH, WE'LL PUT THAT THROUGH AI IF YOU'D LIKE AND WE COULD GET AN ANALYSIS ON THAT.

BUT, UH, , BUT THAT'S IT.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE OPERATING OF THE CAPITAL INITIATIVES AND YOU'LL SEE THERE THE CAPITAL PROGRAM, UH, THAT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE IN THERE.

I THINK CHRIS'S INTENT IS THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

UM, THE NEXT WORKSHOP IS THE, UH, 18TH AM I GETTING MY BRAIN'S DATES RIGHT.

AND STILL ACCOMPLISHES ALL THE THINGS THAT IT DOES ACCOMPLISH, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DIVE INTO IF, SO, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE THAT, I MEAN THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MORE SLIDES HERE, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU OFF WHETHER YOU WANT TO JUST, UH, THAT WAS THE SUMMARY RIGHT THERE THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH YOU.

QUESTIONS GIVE YOUR FINGERS CROSSED BEHIND YOUR BACK.

DON'T, WHAT'S THAT? LOOKS LIKE YOUR FINGERS ARE CROSSED.

WE WE'RE ALL SET .

OKAY, GOOD.

AND THEN THE, OBVIOUSLY THE CALENDAR IS AT THE END TOO.

YOU CAN SEE THE CALENDAR ON THE DATES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT APPROVED THROUGH FIRST TO PUBLIC, UH, AND SECOND AND THIRD HEARINGS.

COUNCILMAN REEVES, I KNOW HOW DELIGHTFUL IT IS TO GET THE NUM TAX NUMBERS FROM, UM, OUR, OUR COUNTY FOLKS DOWN THERE.

SO HOW FIRM ARE YOU ON YOUR NUMBERS FROM THEM AS I AM EVERY YEAR? DART A DARTBOARD? YEAH.

UH, I THINK, UH, UM, I THINK WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE.

WE'D BE HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE SURPRISED, BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO DOING THIS AS MANY YEARS, IT'S REALLY, YOU'D BE ALL SMALL PERCENTS PROBABLY.

AND, AND MAYBE, AND I'M NOT SAYING A MILLIONS, MILLION'S GOOD.

AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE NOT ALL, ALL PROPERTY TAXES ANYWAY, SO YOU CAN, YOU'RE NOT ALL PROPERTY TAX.

YOU HAVE A NUMBER BUCKETS THAT ARE REVENUE SOURCE.

WE'RE DIVIDED A LOT OF THE REVENUE SOURCES, CERTAINLY IT'S OUR NUMBER ONE REVENUE SOURCE.

WE'D LIKE TO GET IT CLOSE.

AND, AND THIS YEAR'S ESTIMATE THAT WE DID IN THE BUDGET IS RIGHT ON ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA COLLECT THIS YEAR, 2026.

SO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE GAP THAN THAT BECAUSE IT'S THAT ONE REVENUE SOURCE.

IF YOU DON'T GET IT, IF YOU DON'T GET THE GAP AND THE OTHER LINE ITEMS, THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A CARE FOR FUND BALANCE.

BACK TO OUR POINT, AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT 'CAUSE THAT REPRESENTS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF YOUR BUDGET.

BUT TO, TO YOUR QUESTION, WE'LL PROBABLY AT THE DIGEST SOMETIMES WHEN RIGHT WHEN THE MIDDLE OF VOTING ON THE BUDGET, BUT I THINK ONLY ONE YEAR HAS IT BEEN SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH WHERE WE'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, THE BACK IN AUGUST TOLD YOU GUYS WHAT ABOUT AND MIDYEAR ADJUSTED FOR THE MOST PART.

IT'S, IT'S ON THE POSITIVE SIDE HOPEFULLY.

AND, UH, WE'RE OKAY.

I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS AND, UM, EV ALL OF THE STAFF AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE WHAT COUNCILMAN HYPES HAS SAID.

WE, WE, WE, WE'VE GOT SOME ISSUES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ULTIMATELY WORK OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE JAIL NOW AND UM, AND WE HAVE CAPITAL, WE HAVE CAPITAL WANTS THAT ARE PROBABLY NEEDS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT SOMEHOW.

BUT TO THE END THAT THIS IS PUT TOGETHER AND KEEPS THE MILLAGE RIGHT THE SAME

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THANKS.

I THINK THAT'S AN, A COMMENT TO ALL THE DIRECTORS AND THE ADMINISTRATOR AS WELL, TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT ALL IN FOR WHAT WE GOT.

AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT ARE JUST RIGHT NOW THE LEAD PRIORITIES, YOU KNOW, WELL, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST BROACH THE TOPIC THAT MOST, IF NOT ALL OF OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES IN THE LEGISLATURE TRY TO TAKE AWAY THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PROPERTY TAXES.

AND LOOK, I PAY PROPERTY TAXES.

I DON'T LIKE IT ANYMORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE DOES.

BUT THE WAY THEY MANAGE THAT PROCESS IS ABSURD.

AND, AND I WANT OUR COUNCIL, AND I WANT OUR PUBLIC TO KNOW THE RISK THAT OUR LEGISLATORS PUT US IN WITH WHAT THEY TRIED TO DO.

THEY'RE TALKED ABOUT GET RID OF PROPERTY TAXES WITHOUT ASKING ANY OF THE MAYORS OR ELECTED OFFICIALS OF HOW WE'RE GONNA PAY POLICE AND FIRE.

I WON'T EVEN TELL YOU THAT SOME OF THE KNUCKLEHEADS, YOU KNOW, OH, OH, Y'ALL SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY NOW.

OH REALLY? WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT? LOOK AT WHAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH .

WE'RE RUNNING A TIGHT BUDGET.

WE'VE GOT A, A GREAT CITY HERE AND WE DO A GREAT JOB, BUT IT COMES AT A COST.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T TRY TO REDUCE PROPERTY TAXES, BUT I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHO THEY ARE AND WHO THEY'RE REPRESENTING.

IF THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO DRASTICALLY CHANGE, NOT JUST ALPHARETTA, BUT THE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA.

THEY NEED TO COME TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK AND SETTING THE BUDGETS AND DOING ALL OF THIS STUFF AND SIT DOWN WITH US AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE.

IT'S, I'M, I'M STILL BURNING FROM IT.

AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD THING THEIR ELECTIONS AREN'T TOMORROW.

'CAUSE I DAMN SURE WOULDN'T BE VOTING FOR 'EM.

AND, AND I'M JUST, I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY DID THE SILLY STUFF THEY DID AND I WANT US TO BE AWARE THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR, .

IT'S NOT IF IT'S WHAT.

SO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ON OUR RADAR AS WELL.

KATIE RES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I, UM, YEAH, IT WAS A WHILE.

IT WAS A WILD LEGISLATIVE SESSION, BUT, UM, SPEAKING OF THE LEGISLATORS, I DO THINK THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS BUDGET, WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE MIGHT NEED ADDRESSED FROM A LEGISLATIVE PERSPECTIVE.

AND THE 9 1 1 IS PROBABLY ONE OF THEM.

AND I REALLY THINK THAT, UM, THIS IS A PERFECT BUDGET TO SHOW THEM, UM, THE IMPACT THAT WE ARE HAVING.

AND THEY MAY TELL US JUST TO GO BACK AND NEGOTIATE WITH MILTON, BUT THAT, THAT NEITHER ONE OF US ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THE, YOU KNOW, MAY, YOU KNOW, REALLY HAVE THE COST NECESSARY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE THINK NEED TO BE PROVIDED.

SO MAYBE IF WE GIVE OUR LEGISLATORS A NICE LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO AND FOCUS ON THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, THEN MAYBE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO , GIVE THEM, GIVE THEM A TASK LIST.

WELL, I TRIED THAT LAST YEAR AND OUR LOCAL LEGISLATOR TOLD ME THAT WAS HIS TOP PRIORITY AND HE WAS GONNA GET THAT DONE FOR US.

I SAID, GREAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF YOU PASSED THE 9 1 1 BILL THAT HE HAD TALKED ABOUT AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

SO LET'S JUST GET A NICE AGREED UPON VOTED ON LEGISLATIVE OBJECTIVE FOR OURSELVES IN THE, IN THE FALL IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER WHEN WE CAN, WE CAN GATHER OURSELVES TOGETHER PERHAPS WITH THE OTHER CITIES AND SAY, LET'S GET OURSELVES TOGETHER AND, AND, UM, AND WORK TOGETHER.

YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB OF THAT.

I MEAN, I I KNOW THAT YOU MAYORS MEET OFTEN AND, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE, I THINK I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US VOTE ON LEGISLATIVE OBJECTIVES AND MARCH DOWN THERE.

GREAT IDEA.

WE DO HAVE A NORTH FULTON MUNICIPAL ASSOCIATION MEETING COMING UP.

IT'S PAST THE DEADLINE TO SUBMITTING AN AGENDA ITEM, BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP ME FROM BRINGING UP THE TOPIC AND ASKING THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING IN THEIR OWN CITY.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I'M GLAD YOU THOUGHT OF THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE BUDGET, TOM? I'M GOOD.

SO NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE HAVE NO PUBLIC,

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I HOPE THEY'RE NOT GONNA COMMENT.

[10. REPORTS]

UM, REPORTS.

DO WE HAVE ANY REPORTS THIS EVENING? COUNCILWOMAN REEVES? UM, I HAD A COUPLE OF REALLY FUN THINGS.

UM, I HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING LAST, UM, LAST WEEK AND HAD IT OVER IN THE, IN THE WORK ROOM.

AND WE HAD A NICE CROWD.

I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 30 PEOPLE.

AND, UM, COUNCILMAN DORITO WAS THERE AND ADDED SOME, AND DIRECTOR C SAVAGE WAS THERE.

AND PETE DID A GREAT JOB, AS HE ALWAYS DOES.

UM, AND I EVEN GAVE THEM LIKE 20 MINUTES TO JUST COMPLAIN ABOUT TRAFFIC, SO HOW ABOUT THAT? AND THERE WAS A LOT OF THEM IN THE WE BRIDGE ROAD AREA.

SO, UM, IT WENT REALLY WELL.

I WAS REALLY, REALLY PLEASED.

AND, UM, AND THIS MORNING I TALKED TO WARM, THE WINDWARD AREA, RETIRED MEN, AND, UM, JOHN WAS THERE.

AND IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS MORE EXPERIENCE AND COULD FILL IN SOME OF THE GAPS THAT I HAD BECAUSE I, I'M, I'M RELATIVELY NEW, BUT GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE AND GOSH, WE HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON IN ALPHARETTA OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.

THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, THE BUDGET, UM, THE NORTH POINT PROJECTS COMING FORWARD.

WE JUST HAVE A LOT GOING ON.

AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN DO OUR VERY BEST TO GET THE COMMUNICATION OUT, LET'S GET IT OUT.

I THINK OUR, I THINK OUR COMMUNITY IS GONNA BE VERY OVERWHELMED, THE SLOS LIST, BUT, UM, BUT ANY WAY THAT ANYBODY, ANY OF US CAN THINK OF HELPING EACH OTHER GET THE WORD OUT.

YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S HELP EACH OTHER.

I'M, I'M HERE TO HELP WITH WHENEVER YOU NEED IT.

ANY OTHER REPORTS?

[11. EXECUTIVE SESSION (IF NECESSARY)]

MR. LAGER? DO WE REQUIRE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? WE DO.

UH, LITIGATION'S THE TOPIC TONIGHT.

MOTION TO RECESS TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HYATTS.

IS THAT COUNCILMAN DORITO? MM-HMM .

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THANK YOU.

PLEASE VOTE YES.

AND WE ARE RECESSED FOR A FEW MINUTES.

WE'LL BE BACK SOON.

BAIL ON YOU.