[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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IT'S SIX 30 AND I'LL CALL THE MEETING MAY 7TH, 2026, MEETING IN THE ALFREDA PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY HERE TONIGHT.
IT'S NICE TO SEE SOME NEW FACES, AND WE WELCOME THOSE WHO ARE JOINING US ONLINE THIS EVENING.
UM, AS FAR AS ROLL CALL, PLEASE NOTE THE RECORD THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE PRESENT EXCEPT FOR OUR DISTINGUISHED CHAIRMAN WHO I'M FILLING IN.
I'M VICE P, I'M VICE CHAIR JILL REYNOLDS AND DC AIKEN, WHO'S DAUGHTER IS GRADUATING FROM GEORGIA TECH TONIGHT.
SO WE HAVE OUR TWO DISTINGUISHED ALTERNATES, VALERIE AND CHRIS JOINING US TONIGHT, AND WE APPRECIATE THEIR COMMITMENT TO SERVING WITH US ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, TONIGHT WE HAVE TO DO A COUPLE HOUSEKEEPING THINGS.
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
NEED TO, UM, APPROVE THE MINUTES OF APRIL 2ND, 2026.SO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CHANGES PRIOR TO NO.
IF NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, MOTION FOR THE MINUTES? MADAM CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 2ND, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
UM, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO, FOR EVERYBODY TO CONSIDER IS TO PLEASE, UM, REMEMBER TO SILENCE YOUR PHONES FOR US OUTTA RESPECT FOR ALL OF US.
AND ALSO, UM, WE REQUEST THAT WHEN YOU COME UP TONIGHT TO SPEAK THAT YOU NAME, YOU, YOU, YOU PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND ALSO, UM, WE FOLLOW THE RESPECT OF EACH OTHER'S OPINIONS.
AND SO WE, WE RESPECT ONE ANOTHER, UM, BY LISTENING TO EACH OTHER.
AND IT'S A DECORUM THAT WE HAVE A TRADITION IN OUR CHAMBER.
[6. PUBLIC HEARING]
ELLIE, I WOULD ASK YOU PLEASE TO READ THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES AT THIS TIME.AN INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING TO BE HEARD ON A MATTER RELATED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING MUST BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.
UPON RISING TO SPEAK, THE SPEAKER MUST IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR HERSELF AND FURNISH A HOME OR BUSINESS ADDRESS BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS.
THE COMMISSION WILL ALLOW THE PROPONENTS A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION.
OPPONENTS WILL BE ALSO ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
COMMENTS ARE, ARE ACCEPTED FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY PERSON SPEAKING IN FAVOR.
AND THEN FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION, UPON CONCLUSION OF ANY OPPOSING COMMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS, THE CHAIR WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO OFFER REBUTTAL IF ANY TIME IS REMAINING IN THE ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES.
AND AS ALWAYS, THE CHAIR HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GIVE EXTRA TIME IF NEEDED.
YOU KNOW, WE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RESPECT ALL VOICES, AND WE, SO WE RESPECTFULLY WANT TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S VOICE, SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS LIMITED SO WE CAN HEAR EVERYBODY TONIGHT, UM, AND MAKE YOUR POINTS PRECISE AND MAYBE NOT REPETITIVE.
AND IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAS MADE A POINT, MAYBE MAKE A NEW POINT FOR US SO THAT WE'RE NOT HERE ALL NIGHT, BUT WE DO WANT TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S VOICE IF POSSIBLE.
SO ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT HAS BEEN DEFERRED BY THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED AT THE MEETING TONIGHT.
IT WILL BE CONSIDERED ON JUNE 4TH.
AND THAT'S THE EMPIRE OLD MILTON PARKWAY, CAMDEN POND.
SO WE DO HAVE FOUR ITEMS TO BE CONSIDERED ON TONIGHT'S MEETING.
UH, THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE ALFREDA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED BY MR. KERN.
WELL, MICHAEL FIRST HAS A COMMENT.
THANK YOU, CHAIRWOMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
UH, JUST BEFORE BEN, UH, COMES UP, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SOME BRIEF, UM, COMMENTS.
UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, THIS IS A FIVE YEAR, UH, UPDATE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE DID A, A MAJOR UPDATE TO THAT COMP PLAN.
SO THIS EFFORT IS BUILDING OFF OF THE PREVIOUS EFFORT THAT WAS, UH, CONDUCTED IN 2020 AND 2021.
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ACTUALLY COMPLETED BY STAFF.UH, THIS TIME AROUND, WE ACTUALLY WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO HELP ASSIST US WITH THE COMP PLAN UPDATE, AND THAT CONSULTANT IS MKSK.
JUST SO HAPPENED THAT, UH, WORKING WITH M UH, AT MKSK IS BEN KERN.
BEN WAS OUR GIS SPECIALIST AND SPECIAL PROJECTS PLANNER FOR SEVEN YEARS.
UH, WE WERE VERY, UM, DISAPPOINTED TO, TO LOSE BEN, BUT, UH, HE HAD TO TO MOVE OUT OF THE AREA.
BUT WE ARE FORTUNATE TO WORK WITH HIM AND HIS FIRM ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
AND I WON'T TAKE ANY MORE TIME AWAY FROM BEN'S PRESENTATION, AND WE WILL BRING, UH, BEN UP.
AND, UH, THANK YOU, UH, VICE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS PLUG UP HERE.
UM, YEAH, AS MICHAEL MENTIONED, IT'S A GREAT PLEASURE TO BE ABLE TO STAND HERE TODAY AND, AND REPORT, UH, BACK ON THIS, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S A LOT OF, UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, UM, GREAT WORK THAT THE, THE CITY DOES.
AND TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT FROM A BIG PICTURE AND COME IN AND, UM, THINK ABOUT THE NEXT FEW DECADES, UM, IT, UH, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE HONORED, UH, TO DO AS CONSULTANTS, UH, WITH MKSK.
UM, GOT A NUMBER OF SLIDES TO RUN THROUGH, SO I'LL TRY TO BE CONCISE.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS AND HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THE END.
BUT TO JUMP RIGHT IN, UM, UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF GOALS THAT A PLAN LIKE THIS, UM, SEEKS TO ACHIEVE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT GROWTH FOR THE NEXT COUPLE DECADES IS, IS A KEY, UM, PRIORITY.
UM, THE CITY HAS DONE A, A GREAT JOB OF, UM, SMALL AREA PLANNING AND A NUMBER OF INITIATIVES AROUND, UM, AROUND THE CITY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS SINCE THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO INTEGRATING, UH, THE WORK FROM THOSE INITIATIVES INTO A COHESIVE VISION IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE GOALS.
AND THEN MEETING STATE REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO, TO STAY ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING.
I MEAN, THIS, MICHAEL MENTIONED, UNLIKE A FULL REWRITE, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE BUILDS OFF OF THE, THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, REFRESHING SOME OF THE SENTIMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, AS FAR AS RESEARCH AND TRENDS, UH, THAT HAVE CHANGED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
SO, UH, QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
UH, TIMELINE WISE, WE'VE BEEN MOVING PRETTY QUICKLY SINCE, UH, FALL OF, UM, 2025.
AND WE'RE IN BETWEEN, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND PLAN ADOPTION, UM, NOW.
SO HOW WE ENGAGE ENGAGEMENT IS OBVIOUSLY REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, COLLECTING FEEDBACK FROM MULTIPLE AVENUES IS, IS CRITICAL.
UM, ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S DAY AND AGE, UH, AND A MIXTURE OF VARIOUS METHODS, UH, FOR, FOR HEARING, UH, WHAT THE COMMUNITY FEELS AND WANTS, UH, WERE USED, UH, TO BEGIN THIS PROCESS.
UM, WE HAD, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
NOTHING, UH, REPLACES IN PERSON, UH, FEEDBACK WHERE YOU CAN LOOK, UH, PEOPLE IN THE EYE REALLY GET A SENSE OF WHAT THEY FEEL ABOUT SOMETHING.
UM, WE HAD, UH, TWO MAIN, UM, IN-PERSON, UH, POINTS WITHIN THE, THE PLAN WITH MULTIPLE SESSIONS FOR EACH, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE LUNCH AND AFTER HOURS, UM, FEEDBACK TIMES.
UH, THE ONLINE ENGAGEMENT WAS A REALLY BIG PIECE, UH, IN TODAY'S WORLD, AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THAT'S A, UH, HOW PEOPLE GET INFORMATION, HOW THEY GIVE INFORMATION.
UM, WE HAD A, ESSENTIALLY A PROJECT HUB, HUB OR WEBSITE, UH, THAT ALERTED PEOPLE ON UPCOMING EVENTS, UH, GAVE OPTIONS FOR TAKING SURVEYS OR, OR, UH, SUBMITTING FEEDBACK TO AN ONLINE FORUM.
UM, THE INTERACTIVE MAP IS ALWAYS FUN 'CAUSE PEOPLE CAN GIVE REALLY TARGETED GEOGRAPHIC FEEDBACK.
UM, AND ONE OF THE BIG, UH, IMPORTANT PARTS OF THIS PROCESS IS TURNING THAT OVER THE CITY.
UM, SOME OF IT IS HIGH LEVEL STUFF, BUT SOME OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, SHRUBS ARE BLOCKING THE TURNOUT OF MY, MY, UH, UH, MY ROAD HERE, AND IT COULD CAUSE, YOU KNOW, AN ACCIDENT IN THE FUTURE.
SO IT'S, IT'S VERY TACTICAL STUFF AS WELL.
SO GETTING IT IN THE HANDS OF THE RIGHT DEPARTMENT, UM, IS SOMETHING WE PLAN TO DO WITH, WITH THIS MAP AND THIS FEEDBACK.
UH, IN TERMS OF OUR APPROACH, UM, IN LIGHT OF, UH, COMMUNITY ISSUES THAT WE HEARD, AND, AND SEVERAL OF THEM AT THE TOP, UH, OUR BIG ONES THAT WE HEARD A GOOD BIT ABOUT, UH, THERE'S A GOOD PART OF THIS, WHICH IS DELINEATING WHAT A COMP PLAN CAN INFORM AND WHAT IT CAN'T.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT, UH, IT CAN HAVE OPINION ON, IT CAN HAVE DIRECTION ON.
UM, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT IT, IT INHERENTLY CANNOT DICTATE,
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SUCH AS, UH, LAND VALUES OR, YOU KNOW, REGIONAL TRAFFIC PATTERNS, UM, DECISIONS PEOPLE MAKE WITH THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT ALREADY BE ENTITLED.UM, SO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT IS, IS EDUCATING, UM, THE PUBLIC ON, ON WHAT THIS PROCESS INFORMS AND, UH, HOW IT CAN HELP AND THE THINGS THAT IT, IT GO BEYOND ITS PURVIEW.
UM, AND THEN ANOTHER PART OF OUR APPROACH, UM, WAS LISTENING AND RESEARCHING AND THEN SEEING, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD? WHAT ARE THE KEY THINGS THAT WE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN? UM, AND AT THE BOTTOM, YOU'LL SEE THESE FOUR MAJOR THEMES THAT EMERGED AS REPEATED, UH, UH, TOPICS OF, OF INTEREST, UM, AND WHAT KINDA SOLIDIFIED THOSE WERE THINGS THAT WE FOUND IN OUR RESEARCH AND LOOKING AT THE DATA AND, AND WHERE THOSE POINTS OF OVERLAP REINFORCE, UH, WHERE THE LIVED EXPERIENCE IS ALSO SHOWING UP IN SOME OF OUR FINDINGS.
SO, TO, TO JUMP INTO THE FIRST ONE, UH, ABOUT GROWTH, GROWTH MANAGEMENT, AND JUST THE CITY AT LARGE.
UM, THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF STATISTICS.
REALLY INTERESTING TO TAKE STOCK OF THE LAST 25 YEARS AND SEE HOW MUCH, UM, THE CITY HAS INDEED GROWN AND RECOGNIZE THAT.
UM, THERE'S, UH, A NUMBER OF THESE.
IF YOU LOOK AT POPULATION JOBS, UM, INCOME, UH, PERCENT, UH, WITH A BACHELOR DEGREE EDUCATION, A LOT OF THOSE HAVE DOUBLED, IF NOT MORE.
SO JUST NOTICING, UM, THE GROWTH IS GOOD.
IT, IT BRINGS A LOT, BUT THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY, UH, ACCOMMODATIONS AND, AND PAIN POINTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, UH, EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO THIS CONVERSATION IS JUST THE METRO ATLANTA REGION.
IT'S A, IT'S A REGION THAT'S GROWING AT LARGE, AND ALPHARETTA IS, IS IN A LOT OF WAYS CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, AND IT DOESN'T EXIST IN A VACUUM.
UM, SO THE REGIONAL NATURE OF GROWTH PRESSURE, WHETHER IT'S HOUSING PRICES LIKE YOU SEE IN THE MAP ON THE RIGHT, OR, UH, JUST THE PERCENTAGE THAT THE, THE POPULATION'S CHANGED IN THE LAST 15 YEARS, UM, THAT IMPACTS ALPHARETTA, BUT ALSO IMPACTS A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES IMMEDIATELY AROUND ALPHARETTA AND ITS COMMUTE SHED.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY REGIONAL IN NATURE.
AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WORTH, UM, MAKING NOTE OF.
NOW, ONE OTHER ELEMENT OF GROWTH THAT, UM, I THINK A LOT OF YOU ARE, ARE WELL AWARE OF AT THIS POINT IS, IS THE, THE DAILY GROWTH THAT ALFRED EXPERIENCES THE SHRINKS WELL ON A DAILY BASIS.
AND IF YOU LOOK IN THE BOTTOM LEFT THERE AT, AT IN COMMUTE AND OUT COMMUTE, UM, THE CITY IS, IS ONE OF A FEW IN THE ENTIRE NATION OF ITS SIZE THAT SEES THE PERCENT INCREASE, UH, UH, FROM A DAYTIME POPULATION AND NIGHTTIME POPULATION.
UM, SO JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT, ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT THAT DOES FOR THE ECONOMY, WHAT THAT MAY DO FOR TRAFFIC, WHAT THAT MAY DO FOR HOUSING DEMAND, UM, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, PIECE THAT WE CONTINUALLY REITERATE.
UM, TOP EMPLOYMENT, THE, THE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL TAX BASE.
THE FACT THAT, UM, ALPHARETTA, UNLIKE MANY OF ITS PEERS, HAS HIGHER COMMERCIAL, UM, SEGMENTATION OF THE TAX BASE AND RESIDENTIAL, UM, IS SIGNIFICANT NOW.
SO SOME OF WHAT WE HEARD, UM, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT OFFICE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS EMPLOYMENT ANCHOR.
UM, WE, WE HEARD SOME PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S GREAT OPPORTUNITY, LIKE ONE OF THE CASES YOU HEARD A COUPLE WEEKS AGO TO, TO TAKE AN OLD OFFICE BUILDING AND, AND TURN IT INTO A, A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WITH, WITH NEW HOUSING AND A PLACE LIKE BROOKSIDE, THOSE ARE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES.
BUT WE ALSO HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, OFFICES COMING BACK AND IF YOU DRIVE AROUND ON A TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, SOME OF THE OFFICE PARKING LOTS ARE 90, A HUNDRED PERCENT FULL, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BIG PARKING LOTS AS WELL.
SO, UM, THERE WAS AN INTERESTING POINT MADE THAT, UH, NEVER AGAIN, SOME OF THE, THE INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS MENTIONED THAT NEVER AGAIN, UH, DO THEY BELIEVE THAT OFFICE WILL BE BUILT LIKE IT WAS IN THE 1990S AND EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, AND ALPHARETTA CAPTURED SO MUCH OF THAT, THAT IT HOLDS THIS TIME CAPSULE OF VALUE.
AND, UH, WILL ALL OF IT BE VIABLE? UH, CERTAINLY NOT, BUT WE SHOULD BE VERY SELECTIVE, UH, WITH WHAT'S, WHAT'S PRUNED AND WHAT CHANGES, UM, KNOWING THAT THAT, THAT, UH, STOCK, UM, OF OFFICE IS WHAT, WHAT SETS ALPHARETTA APART ECONOMICALLY IN A LOT OF WAYS.
UM, AND ALSO, UH, TIED TO ECONOMIC RESILIENCE.
UH, THE MAP ON THE SCREEN THAT YOU SEE, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING.
WE MEASURED, UM, EMPLOYMENT, FOOT TRAFFIC, BASICALLY THE PRESENCE OF EMPLOYEES, UM, COMPARED TO PRE COVID NUMBERS.
AND YOU'LL SEE THE AREAS IN GREEN WHERE THERE'VE BEEN INCREASES.
THEY'RE ALL AREAS WHERE THE, THE CITY HAS, UM, PUT A LOT OF INTENTIONAL PLANNING AND, UH, MASTER PLANNING AND, AND ATTENTION.
UM, AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST WORTH NOTING THAT THAT'S BEEN A REALLY BIG, UM, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SETS APART ECONOMIC COMPETITIVENESS, PARTICULARLY IN IN WORKPLACE, UM, DYNAMICS AND WHERE THERE'S BEEN GROWTH.
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NORTH POINT, UH, THIS ONE WAS A PRETTY EXCITING ONE FOR US.ANYTIME IN, IN PLANNING AND DEALING WITH COMMUNITY SENTIMENT, UM, CONSENSUS IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
AND WE, WE HEARD A LOT OF CONSENSUS ABOUT NORTH POINT IS THE PRIORITY.
UH, WE ASKED THE, THE COMMUNITY WHAT WILL HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
AND NORTH POINT, UH, WAS NUMBER ONE, UM, WHERE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH SHOULD BE FOCUSED, UH, MORE THAN THREE, THREE FOURTHS OF PEOPLE SET ON THE EAST SIDE OF GEORGIA 400.
AND THAT WAS MOSTLY 'CAUSE OF NORTH POINT.
UM, SO A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF EMPHASIS FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT THAT'S WHERE, UM, ATTENTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED.
UH, SOME OF WHAT WE FOUND TO NO SURPRISE TO MANY OF YOU, UH, E-COMMERCE COMPETING CENTERS OF, OF RETAIL, UM, AND THE FACT THAT NORTH POINT IS STILL A, YOU KNOW, A SHOPPING DISTRICT THAT OFFERS SO MUCH, BUT IT'S NOT QUITE WHAT IT ONCE WAS, UM, IN ITS HEYDAY, UH, HAS SEEN DROPPING VISITATION.
UM, AND THEN TO GET A LITTLE MORE INTO SOME OF THE DATA, UM, THE GRAPH HERE IS SHOWING THE, THE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE BUILDING LIFECYCLE AND, AND JUST THE TYPICAL TIMEFRAME WHERE THESE BUILDINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY SEE THE NEED FOR REINVESTMENT, UM, AND THE NEED FOR UPGRADING THEIR, THEIR SYSTEMS AND, AND WHATNOT TO, TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE AND ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.
AND, UM, OF THE, OF THE PORTION OF THE CITY THAT HAS COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE BUILDINGS IN THE 30 TO 50-YEAR-OLD RANGE WHERE YOU START, UH, SEEING THE NEED FOR CAPITAL RENEWALS AT A, AT A LARGE SCALE, A BIG HOTSPOT, UH, IS, IS THE NORTH POINT AREA.
YOU KNOW, MUCH, MUCH OF THAT AREA DEVELOPED IN THE EARLY NINETIES.
UM, AND IT'S HITTING A POINT WHERE, UM, A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE RIPE FOR, FOR REINVESTMENT AND, AND REIMAGINING.
UM, YEAH, TO MOVE TO THE, UH, TO THE LAST POINT HERE, THERE'S A LOT ON THIS SCREEN.
I, I WON'T, UM, TOUCH ON ALL OF IT, BUT PEOPLE LOVE THEIR PARKS, TRAILS, OPEN SPACES, AND THEIR TREES, AND WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT TREES ABOUT HOW THAT, UH, REALLY DIFFERENTIATES ALPHARETTA.
PEOPLE NOTICE IT, PEOPLE MOVE HERE, UM, AND THEY'RE, THEY, THEY GET PROUD AND PROTECTIVE OF, OF THE GREEN, UH, AND THE GREENERY THAT'S IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, AND IT CONTRIBUTES A LOT TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE FOUND, UH, INTERESTINGLY, THERE IS SOME RESEARCH ABOUT COMMUNITIES OF SIMILAR SIZE, TYPICALLY BEING IN THE 30 TO 35% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE, UH, UH, CITYWIDE AND ALPHARETTA HAD SOME RESEARCH DONE A FEW YEARS AGO, AND IT'S CLOSER TO 50%.
SO REALLY A BIG DISTINGUISHER ON, UM, ON HOW TREES ARE PROTECTED, UM, HOW THEY'RE REGULATED AROUND HERE, AND, UM, JUST WHAT THAT MEANS FOR QUALITY OF LIFE.
NOW, TO JUMP THROUGH, UM, THIS NEXT SECTION, THIS IS THE, THE, THE POLICY, UH, FRAMEWORK SECTION.
THESE EIGHT, UM, CATEGORIES YOU SEE ON THE, THE SCREEN ARE, ARE COMMON, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CATEGORIES.
AND, UM, AS WE LOOK AT THE, THE HIGH LEVEL, UM, GOALS, POLICIES, AND STRATEGIES, UM, FOR THESE TOPICS, WE'RE JUST GONNA TOUCH ON A FEW OF THE ADDITIONS TO, UM, THE EXISTING, UH, LIST THAT IS IN THE COMP PLAN, UM, TODAY.
UM, I THINK THAT THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE HERE IS, IS WITH HOUSING, UM, THERE ARE STRATEGIES THAT TOUCH ON NORTH POINT IS, IS CLEARLY THE AREA WHERE GROWTH IS FAVORED, AND THAT'S ALSO THE AREA WHERE, UM, INNOVATION AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DIVERSITY OF HOUSING OPTIONS, UH, PER WHAT THE, THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR ARE POSSIBLE.
SO JUST EXPLORING THAT AS, AS THE DISTRICT AS BUILDS OUT.
UM, IN RESPECT TO TRANSPORTATION, I THINK AN IMPORTANT ONE HERE IS, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED THE WINDWARD AREA, UM, COULD USE, UH, ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS AND STRENGTH AND CONNECTIVITY.
AND, UM, WHILE WINDWARD PARKWAY WILL ALWAYS BE THE MAR KEY WAY TO GET AROUND UP THERE, ANY WAY THAT WE COULD REDUCE DEPENDENCE ON THAT PARKWAY FOR SHORT LOCAL TRIPS, UM, IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THAT WE'LL CALL OUT IN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION.
UM, WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS, UH, TO A LARGE DEGREE, THIS IS ABOUT INDUSTRY DISRUPTORS.
UM, HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT AI, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY COMING, UM, IN THE INNOVATION ECONOMY THAT HAS THRIVED IN THE PAST IN ALPHARETTA.
HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO POSITION, UM, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE COMPANIES THAT WANNA MAKE INVESTMENTS AND, AND PUT BRICK AND MORTAR, UM, PRESENCE, UH, IN, IN COMMUNITIES.
AND SO, UM, THESE TOUCH ON, ON THOSE FOR THE LARGE PART WITH LAND USE, I, I WON'T, UH, STOP ON THIS ONE BECAUSE, UH, THESE ARE GONNA BE HIGHLIGHTED IN A LITTLE GREATER DEPTH IN THE FOCUS AREAS AT THE VERY END.
'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE TIED TO VERY SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIES.
UH, WITH THIS ONE, UM, I'LL PAUSE HERE AND SAY, UM, UH, PARTICULARLY POLICY SEVEN, UH,
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THAT POLICY AND THE FIVE STRATEGIES ASSOCIATED WITH IT ARE DIRECTLY, UM, RELATED TO PROTECTING, UM, THE, THE TREE CANOPY WITHIN THE CITY.AND, UM, IT, IT REALLY IS A WATERSHED MOMENT FOR, UM, FOR REGULATING THAT.
AND IN THE PAST, THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO MONITOR, UM, EASILY, BUT, UH, BETWEEN SOME OF THE TOOLS EMERGING IN GIS, UM, AI, AND EVEN WITH THE, THE TREE CODE THAT THE, THE CITY CONTINUALLY, UM, LOOKS TO REVISIT, UM, ON HOW TO, HOW TO REGULATE THIS, IT'S AN EXCITING TIME WHERE SOME, SOME OF THOSE NEW TOOLS CAN BE PUT INTO EFFECT AND, UM, UH, THE CITY CAN CONTINUE TO EXPLORE HOW TO, UH, TAKE THE SENTIMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND, AND SEE HOW THOSE CAN BE PRACTICED AND IN PROTECTION.
WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES AND FACILITIES, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THESE THAT TOUCH ON GREENWAY CONNECTIONS, UM, AND, UH, JUST WHAT A, A PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM, EXPLORING WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE, WHERE WE HAVE THESE MAJOR SPINES WITH THE, THE GREEN BIG CREEK GREENWAY AND ALPHA LOOP, UM, AND HOW DO NEIGHBORHOODS AND BUSINESSES CONNECT TO THOSE? AND, UM, IS THERE A WAY TO KIND OF FORMALIZE SOME OF THAT, THAT PROCESS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY SEEMS TO FIND VALUE AND WANT THAT.
UM, AND THEN AS WE JUMP INTO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HERE, IT IS, AS IT STANDS TO TODAY, UM, THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, IS LARGELY, UH, KEPT THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE TWO AREAS THAT ARE CALLED OUT.
UM, ON THE SCREEN HERE, UM, CONFUSINGLY, THEY'RE BOTH CALLED WINDWARD PLAZA TO ONE DEGREE OR THE OTHER.
SO I'LL, I'LL REFER TO THE ONE ON THE, UH, WEST OF GEORGIA 400.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY ADJACENT TO CONTINUUM.
UM, AND THEN THE TERRACES AT WINDWARD, WHICH, WHICH HAVE A ROAD NAMED WINDWARD PLAZA, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE.
AND, AND BOTH OF THESE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE WINDWARD HIGHWAY NINE MASTER PLAN, BUT THEY WERE REITERATED IN PUBLIC FEEDBACK THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WELL, WHERE PEOPLE, UM, YOU SEE SOME OF THE COMMENTS DOWN THERE WHERE, UM, THERE'S A DESIRE TO SEE, UH, THOSE PLACES POSITIONED.
UH, WELL FOR THE, UH, THE NEXT COUPLE DECADES, UM, THERE'S BEEN EMPLOYMENT DROP-OFFS, UH, PARTICULARLY IN THE AREA AROUND THE, THE TERRACES.
AND, UM, MIXED USE ESSENTIALLY JUST OPENS THE DOOR FOR MORE CREATIVITY, UM, IN HOW THOSE AREAS, UH, MIGHT TAKE ON A SECOND LIFE.
UM, IN RESPECT TO FOCUS AREAS, I THINK THE MAIN POINT HERE IS OF THESE FIVE FOCUS AREAS, UM, NOT ALL FOCUS AREAS ARE, ARE CATEGORIZED THE SAME.
THERE'S, THEY'RE BROKEN UP INTO THESE THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
UH, NORTH POINT IS, IS THE AREA OF GROWTH AND OPPORTUNITY AT A, AT A LARGE SCALE.
UM, THIS SECOND CATEGORY, ENHANCED AND REPOSITION STAYS ON THE EAST SIDE OF GEORGIA 400 WITH, UH, WITH WINDWARD AND IN THE GREAT OAKS WORLD 400 AREA.
AND THIS IS CALLING OUT THAT THESE AREAS HAVE BEEN, UH, BIG POSITIONS OF STRENGTH FOR THE CITY OVER THE, OVER THE LAST FEW DECADES.
UM, THEY'VE JUST, THEY'VE SERVED A VERY DISTINCT LOCAL ROLE, UM, BUT IT'S, THEY'RE BOTH READY FOR THOUGHTFUL REINVESTMENT REPOSITIONING.
UM, AND THEN THIS THIRD CATEGORY, A CONTEXT SENSITIVE CONTINUATION WITH BOTH BROOKSIDE AND DOWNTOWN, THERE WAS A SENSE THAT THINGS ARE GOING, GOING WELL, AND THE MOMENTUM IN THOSE PLACES HAS BEEN REALLY POSITIVE AND, AND RECEIVED WELL BY THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S JUST BE VERY THOUGHTFUL WITH WHAT'S ADDED, UM, AND, AND TRY TO HOLD THE BALANCE, PARTICULARLY IN DOWNTOWN.
HOW DO WE HOLD THE, UH, BALANCE MANY DIFFERENT FACTORS, UH, IN A PLACE THAT IS, IS DEAR TO MANY.
UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE, WE BREAK UP THESE, UH, THESE FOCUS AREAS.
UH, SO REAL QUICKLY, THIS IS THE LAST, LAST FEW SLIDES HERE.
UM, TO TOUCH ON EACH OF THESE WITH A LITTLE GREATER DETAIL, NORTH POINT, UM, ONE OF THE, THE REALLY, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE MALL AND THE, UH, THE A HUNDRED ACRE PROPOSAL THAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW HAS A, A CATALYTIC POTENTIAL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IS GENERATIONAL.
UM, I THINK ANOTHER THING THAT, THAT WE REALLY WANNA HIGHLIGHT IS THE RECENTLY COMPLETED, UH, NORTH POINT DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK.
AND, UM, THAT AREA OF THE MALL, UH, WHILE IT IS A HUNDRED ACRES AND IT, YOU KNOW, CAN FIT A, A LITANY OF DIFFERENT THINGS, THAT'S ONLY 15% OF THE DISTRICT, UH, AS SEEN ON THE SCREEN HERE.
UM, THERE'S 50 DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITH VARYING DEGREES OF, UH, YOU KNOW, TENANT LEASING AND, AND, UH, DECISIONS AROUND THEIR PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THE, THE FRAMEWORK PROVIDES A COHESIVE, UH, VISION, UH, FOR IF THAT REDEVELOPMENT OR, OR PIECES HAPPEN IN A PIECEMEAL FASHION, WHICH THEY, THEY WILL TO SOME DEGREE.
UM, THERE'S A LARGER FRAMEWORK THAT THEY TIE INTO.
SO THOSE FIRST TWO STRATEGIES REALLY HIT ON THAT, AND, AND HOW IMPORTANT THE COORDINATION IS WITH,
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WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND BROKERS IN THE DISTRICT TO, TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT'S POSSIBLE.UH, WITH WINDWARD EAST OF GEORGIA 400, AS WE WERE JUST MENTIONING, UH, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
UH, AND, AND EVEN DIFFERENT SUB AREA DYNAMICS.
UH, SO THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE CIRCLED IN, IN, UH, ORANGE HERE, UM, THE WINDWARD PLAZA AREA WHERE THE TERRACE IS, UH, THAT WAS PART OF A ULI, UH, MTAP STUDY.
UM, AND IT'S QUITE DIFFERENT THAN THE, THE EDISON MARCONI AREA WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, MORGAN STANLEY AND AT AND TI WAS ABLE TO DRIVE THROUGH, UH, THE DISTRICT EARLIER.
THEY'RE BASICALLY PACKED OUT, UH, PEOPLE WALKING AROUND THE, THE, UH, PARKING LOTS ARE FULL.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY.
AND SO THEY'RE, UH, THE DISTANCE FROM 400, UH, BEING NESTLED A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY, THE TWO OFFICES BEHIND WINDWARD PLAZA, THEY WERE COMPLETELY VACANT.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS ALMOST NIGHT AND DAY.
UH, SO WITHIN THIS DISTRICT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT TOUCHES THAT ARE NEEDED, UM, EVEN ON THE, JUST THE EAST SIDE OF, OF, UM, GEORGIA 400.
AND, UM, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY THAT'S, THAT'S COMING WITH, UM, THE EXPRESS LANES TRANSIT.
UM, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PLACEMAKING AND, AND PUTTING MORE, UH, RETAIL AND, AND RESTAURANT CLOSER TO SOME OF THOSE MA MAJOR EMPLOYERS.
UM, AND IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT THIS, THIS AREA THAT YOU'RE LOOKING ON, THE SCREEN STILL HOLDS HALF OF THE TOP 10 EMPLOYERS IN THE CITY.
SO IT'S, IT'S ONE THAT WE, WE ALWAYS WANNA, UM, HAVE CAREFUL ATTENTION TOWARD.
UH, WITH GREAT OAKS RURAL 400.
I THINK ONE OF THE, THE BIGGEST, UH, THINGS TO NOTE HERE IS IT'S SITUATED, UM, LOCATIONALLY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A LOT OF, A LOT OF ENERGY, RIGHT, RIGHT TO THE, TO THE SOUTH OR, UH, WEST.
UH, THAT'S RIGHT WHERE THE NORTH POINT OVERLAY ENDS.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOODS BEING BUILT RIGHT THERE.
THE KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD CONNECTION FROM YOU REALLY CONNECTS ROCK MILL PARK OVER TO THE ALPHA LOOP, AND, UH, IT'S NOT FAR FROM AVALON, SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF ENERGY THERE.
AND THEN JUST TO THE NORTHEAST, YOU HAVE, UH, EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN BROOKSIDE.
SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE TO GIVE THIS MORE CONCENTRATED THOUGHT THROUGH A, A SMALL AREA PLAN, UH, THROUGH WORKING WITH THE, UM, THE OWNERS AND THE, THE TENANTS OF, OF THESE OFFICE PROPERTIES, KNOWING THAT THEY'RE, UM, YEAH, THERE'S SOME OF THE, THE BIG ONES WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, UM, IN THE CITY AND, UM, VACANCIES HAVE, HAVE GONE UP SOME IN RECENT YEARS.
SO THIS AREA IS DEFINITELY WORTH, UH, KEEPING AN EYE ON.
AND IT'S, IT'S A REALLY STRATEGIC POSITION, UH, WITHIN THE CITY.
THE LAST TWO HERE, UH, BROOKSIDE, UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, AS A BOARD, YOU, YOU GUYS ARE VERY AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE WITH MULTIPLE, UM, PROPOSALS AND KIND OF SEEING THE, THE VISION, UM, AND THE, THE RECENT INVESTMENTS THAT HAVE GONE ON.
UM, THE BIG THING HERE, I THINK IS, IS, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE CHANCE TO RETROFIT A, UH, EMPLOYMENT ORIENTED DISTRICT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS EMPLOYMENT, THAT HAS NEW HOMES.
AND SO JUST KEEPING PACE WITH, WITH WHAT A NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE CIVIC INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, WHETHER STREETSCAPE OR TRAILS, AND, UM, JUST MOBILITY WITHIN THE DISTRICT, UM, MOVEMENT ACROSS OLD MILTON PARKWAY.
THOSE ARE ALL GONNA BE, UM, BIG ISSUES.
AND THEN LASTLY, DOWNTOWN, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, NEED WASTE, NO BREATH EXPLAINING, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW IMPORTANT DOWNTOWN IS, HOW MUCH IT REPRESENTS TO SO MANY, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY, HOW MUCH IT ITSELF HAS MICROCOSM HAS GROWN, UM, SO MUCH IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
UM, SO YEAH, JUST EXPLORING, UM, MAINTAINING ITS BALANCE AND THEN CONTINUING TO BE INTENTIONAL WITH WAYS TO IMPROVE MOBILITY AND EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING, UM, WITHIN, WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UH, AND THEN THE LAST SLIDE HERE IS JUST AN EXPLANATION OF THE SHORT TERM WORK PROGRAM.
UM, IT'S ESSENTIALLY EVERYTHING THE CITY, UM, HAS DONE SINCE 2021.
THE, THE LAST SHORT TERM WORK PROGRAM HAS BEEN ROLLED OVER INTO THE REPORT OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE, IN THE CURRENT PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
AND THEN, UH, THE NEW SHORT TERM WORK PROGRAM IS MADE UP OF ACTIONS FROM THIS PROCESS, THINGS THAT WE HEARD AND FOUND IN ADDITION TO, UH, THE, UH, ADOPTED PLANNING EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED SINCE 2021.
SO, UM, THAT'S HOW THAT, THAT WORK PROGRAM AND MATRIX TOWARD THE END OF THE PLAN, UM, FINDS HIS COMPOSITION.
NOW, WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL TAKE A BREAK HERE AND SEE IF, UH, THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING THIS PROCESS.
I HAVE ONE COMMENT AND THEN A QUICK QUESTION.
ONE COMMENT IS, THANK YOU FOR OUR JOB WELL DONE.
IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, AS I REVIEWED IT WITH MY HUSBAND WHO WAS ON THE, UM, PLANNING
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STEERING COMMITTEE, THANK YOU.UM, HE, WE WERE BOTH VERY TAKEN BACK BY HOW THOROUGH IT WAS, HOW, UM, WELL DONE IT, IT IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
IT HAS SO MUCH INFORMATION IN IT THAT, UM, I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT IT'S JUST NOT A PLAN THAT GETS, SITS IN A BINDER THAT'S NOT USED.
IT'S A BLUEPRINT, UH, BY WHICH THE PLANNING COMMISSION USES IT, CITY COUNCIL USES IT, STAFF USES IT, AND IT, IT REALLY DOES HELP US, UM, PRESERVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE, HELP US MAINTAIN, UM, SMART GROWTH.
AND SO I, I'D ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLAN, IT'S, IT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE, AND SEE HOW THOUGHTFUL THAT OUR, OUR PLANNING IS WITH OUR CITY.
THAT IT, THAT GROWTH ISN'T JUST WILLY-NILLY, IT'S WELL PLANNED, IT'S THOUGHTFUL, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES OUR CITY SO GREAT.
SO WITH THAT, UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE HOUSING, LIKE ON THE, UM, AS FOR INSTANCE, ON TOWN HOMES, UM, YOU, IT HAD SAID THAT WE'RE JUST OVER 3,200 TOWN HOMES IN ALPHARETTA, AND THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 2.4% OF THE CITY'S TOTAL HOUSING INVENTORY.
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT NUMBER? IS THAT ALL TOWN HOMES COM ALREADY BUILT? IS THAT PART OF WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED? I MEAN, WHERE, WHERE IS THAT NUMBER? YEAH, NO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BY SHARE.
SO WE PULL THAT FROM THE CENSUS OR AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, THEIR MOST UPDATED DATASET.
UM, SO INEVITABLY THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LAG BETWEEN WHEN DATA'S COLLECTED, UM, AND ANYTHING THAT'S IN, IN THE CURRENT PIPELINE OR, UH, RECENTLY APPROVED.
SO, UM, TYPICALLY I WOULD SAY THAT'S, THERE'S A YEAR OR TWO, UM, OF, OF NUMBERS THAT AREN'T PICKED UP IN, IN THAT.
UM, BUT WE, WE PULLED THAT, I THINK WE, THAT WAS WHERE WE COMPARED IT TO THE NEIGHBORING CITIES AS WELL.
SO IT'S ALL FROM THE SAME POINT IN TIME.
UM, AND, AND THEN THE, UH, WELL, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION TOO.
SO, AND ALSO YOU, YOU SUGGESTED THAT OUR SISTER OR OUR PEER COMMUNITIES MIGHT BE MILTON, WOODSTOCK AND SUWANEE.
YOU KNOW, I WAS CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND WHY WOODSTOCK AND SUWANEE, I WOULD NOT THINK, I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE ARE PEER COMMUNITIES.
I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE MORE ADJACENT COMMUNITIES TOWARDS US, SUWANEE BEING NORTHERN, AND I DON'T KNOW, I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU, YOU PICKED THOSE THREE AS OUR PEER COMMUNITIES.
I, I THINK, YEAH, YOU'RE REFERENCING IN THE TEXT YES.
YEAH, NO, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
I, I, WE DID WANT TO CAST A BROAD NET ON JUST SHOWING ALL OF THE, UM, THE, UH, UM, COMMUNITIES REGIONALLY, UM, IN TERMS OF MENTIONING, I, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE, BUT ALPHARETTA, IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND COMPARABLES.
UH, SO I THINK, UM, WE, WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROCESS, WE WERE HAVING TO LOOK, YOU KNOW, AT A NATIONAL LEVEL TO TRY TO FIND COMPARISON CITIES.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S QUITE DIFFICULT TO, TO FIND THE COMPOSITION AND MAKE OF THIS COMMUNITY REGIONALLY.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR BEST TO, TO COMPARE, UM, APPLES TO APPLES WHERE POSSIBLE, BUT WE UNDERSTAND IN A LOT OF CASES THAT THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, AS YOU MENTIONED, AND, AND IT'S NOT, WELL, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
IT'S HARD TO COMPARE TO ALPHARETTA ANY CITY, SO, YEAH.
WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANYBODY HAVING QUESTIONS.
TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON PLEASE.
UM, QUICK QUESTION ABOUT NORTH POINT.
UH, SINCE WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY SOME VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENTS PENDING, DO PROCEDURALLY, IS THERE GONNA BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, MASSAGE THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN TO REFLECT THE OUTCOME OF THOSE, THOSE REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS? OR DOES THAT WAIT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEAR EFFORT? YEAH, IN TERMS OF, OF STATISTICS AND NUMBERS, UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, SOMETHING TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT EFFORT.
I THINK WITH THIS ONE, UM, THE LAST COMP PLAN VIEWED NORTH POINT AS THIS, THIS CATCHMENT FOR IT WAS READY, LIKE THIS IS THE SPOT MM-HMM
AND A LOT OF THE, THE LAST FIVE, 10 YEARS HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, MOVING TOWARD A MOMENT LIKE THIS.
SO FROM A LAND USE AND ZONING PERSPECTIVE, NORTHPOINT WAS ALREADY READY, LIKE NOTHING NEEDED TO CHANGE, UM, WITH, WITH WHAT'S COMING AND SOME OF THE BIG STUFF THAT THAT'S THERE.
SO IN THAT REGARD, UM, UH, NO, NO CHANGE REALLY NEEDED.
BUT YEAH, IN RESPECT TO WHAT COMES THERE, THAT'S MOST CERTAINLY GONNA HAVE TO BE PICKED UP IN THE NEXT ONE, NOT KNOWING
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WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE, IT'S JUST A SHAME BECAUSE IT'S LIKE RIGHT HERE AND JUST ABOUT TO HAPPEN.SO IT WOULD BE SO GREAT IF WE COULD REFLECT IN SOME WAY, MAYBE AS AN ADDENDUM, UH MM-HMM.
WHAT THE OUTCOME OF ANY REDEVELOPMENT AT NORTH POINT, SUCH THAT THE NEXT EFFORT FOR A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN DOESN'T HAVE TO PLAY SO MUCH CATCH UP.
YEAH, NO, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
I THINK ONE OTHER POINT WORTH MENTIONING IS, AND, AND KIND OF WITHIN THE UMBRELLA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, UH, THE, THE RENTAL STUDY THAT IS ON A MORE FREQUENT BASIS THAT IS ABLE TO KIND OF FILL IN THOSE NUMBERS MORE REAL TIME, TYPICALLY ON A TWO TO THREE YEAR, UM, CADENCE.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS NICE WHEN YOU CAN CATCH IT WITHIN THE WINDOW OF, AND TO ECHO, UH, THEIR CHAIR WOMAN'S, UH, SENTIMENT.
I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED, WONDERFUL NUMBERS AND A LOT OF MEANING TO BE TAKEN FROM THIS.
UM, AND I'LL ECHO, UM, THE COMPLIMENT.
I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LAST ON AND OFF 14 YEARS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW A LOT OF COMP PLAN, MAJOR UPDATES, MINOR UPDATES, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A PLAN WITH THE AMOUNT OF ANALYSIS IN DETAIL.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS A FIVE YEAR UPDATE.
UM, SO I AM, UM, I THINK OUR CITY IS IN REALLY GREAT POSITION HERE WITH THE AMOUNT OF ANALYSIS, AND IT'S CLEAR, UM, YOUR EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR THE CITY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
IT'S, IT, YOU CAN SEE IT THROUGH THE PLAN.
SO THANK YOU FOR, UM, THE AMOUNT OF, OF ATTENTION AND DETAIL THAT YOU HAVE HERE.
UM, ONE, UM, THE TREE CANOPY SLIDE THAT YOU SHOWED, DO YOU MIND PUTTING THAT BACK UP AGAIN? YEAH.
ONE OF THESE TWO, I THINK SO, UM, THE PLAN, THE NEW PLAN HAS A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDED INITIATIVES TO SUPPORT THE TREE CANOPY, UM, WHICH, UM, I WAS REALLY PLEASED TO SEE BECAUSE IT IS A VERY, UM, IT'S TOP OF MIND IN OUR CITY THESE DAYS WITH THE AMOUNT OF REDEVELOPMENT THAT IS OCCURRING AND, UM, AMOUNT OF AREAS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE BEING CLEAR CUT AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO LOTS OF RESIDENTS ARE ASKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE PROTECTING THE TREE CANOPY.
AND MY QUESTION IS BASED ON THE ADDITI, THE NEW RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE IN THE PLAN, UM, HAVE YOU WORKED WITH ANY OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED THOSE OR HAVE YOU, IS THERE A BEST IN CLASS CITY THAT YOU COULD IDENTIFY FOR US TO LOOK AT SORT OF WANTING TO EMULATE IN PROTECTING THAT CANOP, UH, TREE CANOPY? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, I, I STRUGGLE TO, TO THINK OF, I, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN SOME PRETTY RIGID, UM, OR ROBUST PROTECTION EFFORTS IN COMMUNITIES LIKE HILTON HEAD, SOUTH CAROLINA.
THEY HAVE A, A PRETTY STRONG, THAT MIGHT BE ONE TO LOOK INTO.
UM, AGAIN, ALFREDA, SIMILAR TO, UM, UH, COMING TO THE CHAIRWOMAN IS OFTENTIMES LEADS THE WAY WITH SOME OF THIS.
AND I THINK SOME OF IT AS WELL IS, IS JUST BEING AT THIS MOMENT WHERE TECHNOLOGY, UM, THE INFORMATION, UM, THAT'S AVAILABLE.
AND SOME OF THIS IS SATELLITE IMAGERY THAT CAN BE QUANTIFIED MUCH MORE EASILY, EASILY RIGHT.
AND MORE REGULARLY AND MEASURED.
UM, WE'RE KIND OF AT A MOMENT WHERE, UM, THE, THE RULE BOOK CAN BE WRITTEN ON HOW TO, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD THOUGHTFULLY WITH, WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF.
UM, BUT YEAH, THERE ARE, THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE, HAVE DONE SOME STUFF OUT THERE.
UM, BUT A LOT OF THEM I, I DON'T THINK ARE AS, UM, AS ASSERTIVE AS, AS COMMUNITIES LIKE ALPHARETTA WHO ARE TRYING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE AFTER OR THE, THE CITIZENS ARE ASKING FOR.
UM, BUT I, I WOULD, I THINK SOME OF THE, THE, UH, THINKING BEHIND THIS IS AS THE TREE CODE GETS REVISITED AND IT'S ALWAYS BEING TWEAKED, JUST CONTINUALLY, UM, LOOKING FOR WHAT ARE THE, THE BEST WAYS TO, TO MAXIMIZE THOSE SKILLS, TO MAXIMIZE TOOLS, SKILLS, YEAH.
AND, AND, UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, IN REGARDS TO HOUSING, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE 89 PAGE REPORT THAT YOU DID
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THAT, UM, BUT PAGE 59 SPEAKS TO HOUSING INITIATIVES AND, AND, UM, THERE'S REFERENCE TO A DU.
MM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS, BUT IT, IT, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE, ON THE PAGE THAT
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SORT OF DEFINED WHAT IT IS.IT'S KIND OF PLANNER SPEAK, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF YOU COULD ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT ADUS ARE AND THEN, UM, SPEAK TO WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS THERE.
UM, YEAH, NO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
WE'LL MAKE SURE TO KIND OF NOTE, UH, WITHIN THE PLAN, LITTLE KIND OF CALL OUT ON, ON WHAT THEY ARE.
BUT YEAH, IN SHORT, UH, STANDS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
UM, AND IT'S, UH, UM, A UA UNIT HOUSING UNIT, TYPICALLY PART OF A, A PROPERTY, BUT NOT THE, THE PRINCIPAL, UM, HOUSING UNIT OR ADDRESS ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND THOSE CAN LOOK LIKE IN-LAW SUITES, THEY CAN BE ATTACHED SOMETIMES TO THE HOME, LIKE A BASEMENT THAT HAS ITS OWN, UM, ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
UM, THEY CAN BE A, YOU KNOW, A DETACHED UNIT ABOVE A GARAGE.
UM, AND I THINK THE INTENT HERE, AND, AND MICHAEL CAN CERTAINLY JUMP IN AS WELL, IF HE, UM, WANTS TO, TO SPEAK TO IT, BUT THEY'RE ALLOWED CURRENTLY, UH, IN THE DOWNTOWN, UH, CODE WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, BUT THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED WITHIN SOME OF THE, THE OTHER DISTRICTS WITHIN DOWNTOWN, UM, THAT ARE TYPICAL OF WHERE AN A DU MIGHT KIND OF MAKE THE MOST SENSE.
THESE LIKE 15, 20,000 FOOT RECTANGULAR LOTS, THE KIND OF 1960S MM-HMM
ERA RANCH HOMES WHERE THERE'S SPACE FOR IT.
UM, SO IT'S JUST EXPLORING, UH, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO, TO OPEN THAT UP AND, UM, WHERE OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE THAT.
I THINK THERE'S OFTENTIMES A, AN IDEA THAT THERE'LL BE A DELUGE AND IT'S VERY MINUSCULE, UM, SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS, BUT, UM, SOME OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CREATIVE AND, AND THERE IS A NEED ARE ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOMETHING OF, OF PLACES WHERE ADUS ARE ALLOWED, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IT, IT GIVES AN OPTION FOR A HOME FOR SOMEBODY WHO MAY NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THAT AREA.
UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO EXPOUND FURTHER.
UM, SO THE, THE, THE THOUGHT HERE IS THAT WE CURRENTLY, IT'S ALLOWED IN A VERY SPECIFIC AREA, BUT THERE IN, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE CITY SHOULD EXPLORE LOOKING AT WIDENING THAT.
CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE THOUGHT.
AND, AND NOT, NOT KNOWING YET WHEN OR WHERE OR, OR HOW, BUT JUST LOOKING INTO THAT AND, UM, IN GENERAL.
UM, COULD YOU GO TO THE, UH, I DIDN'T CATCH THE SLIDE NUMBER, BUT IT RELATED TO HOUSING POLICY.
IN FACT, I THINK IT HAD REFERENCE TO THAT A DU LINE IN THERE.
THERE WAS A PHRASE IN THERE THAT I SAW THAT, OKAY.
YEAH, THE VERY BEGINNING OF THAT IN 7.2 WHERE IT SAYS, EXPLORE WHERE DIVERSE HOUSING FORMATS MAY BE APPROPRIATE, WAS THAT REFERENCING TO A DU OR, OR THINGS IN ADDITION TO THAT? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.
DIVERSE HOUSING FORMATS SUCH AS, YEAH, THAT'S, IS THAT JUST ADUS OR IS IT YEAH, INCLUSIVE OF ADUS, BUT, UM, SOME THINGS SUCH AS, UH, YOU KNOW, COTTAGE COURTS COME UP A GOOD BIT AS, AS LIKE A TYPE THAT, THAT PEOPLE WANT, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN BUILT.
UM, THERE'S MARKET REASONS FOR THAT.
THERE'S, SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.
UM, I THINK, UH, OPTIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE NORM OF WHAT'S BEING BUILT OR, YOU KNOW, COMMONLY, UH, GOING UP, UH, UH, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU SEE DOWNTOWN OR AREAS WHERE THERE'S HIGH GROWTH, UH, IT'S JUST EX EXPLORING WHAT ARE HIGH QUALITY HOUSING PRODUCTS THAT MAY NOT BE CURRENTLY REPRESENTED.
I KNOW ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS, YOU KNOW, THE CONDOS THAT ARE BUILT, UM, DOWNTOWN OR, UM, AN OPTION THAT, UH, THERE WASN'T MUCH OF, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOTORIOUSLY HARD TO, TO FINANCE AND MAKE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS WORK.
SO JUST BEING OPEN-MINDED TO, UM, WAYS THAT WE CAN MEET THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IN WAYS THAT, UH, COULD OFFER NEW HOUSING TYPES, BUT ALSO ARE ONES THAT ARE PALATABLE TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, COGNIZANT OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY DOES NOT WANT, IS IT, IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT SOME OF THAT IS TIED TO THE TRENDS, NOT JUST IN ALPHARETTA, BUT NATIONALLY AROUND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND THE AVERAGE MEDIAN AGE FOR YOUR FIRST HOME BEING 38 OR SO NOW INSTEAD OF 29 BACK IN THE NINETIES.
AND WERE THOSE ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE COME INTO PLAY FOR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AND OTHERS? YEAH.
ANYBODY ELSE? I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
BACK IN THE OVERALL REPORT, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING, OR THE REPORT MENTIONS STRAVA GLOBAL HEAT MAP.
CAN YOU EXPAND WHAT THAT IS? I YEAH, YEAH.
DOING IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOMEBODY WATCHING.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOT AS, UH, IT'S NOT AS BIG BROTHER AS IT SOUNDS, I PROMISE.
UH, BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT IS ANOTHER, IF THERE'S A, A
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PLANNER SPEAK OR A RUNNER SPEAK, UH, THAT'S VERY MUCH IN THAT.SO THAT, THAT ONE, UH, STRAVA HAS, UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE, THE LARGEST, THEY'RE A, THEY'RE AN APP, AN EXERCISE APP.
PEOPLE USE THEM FOR RUNNING, UM, BIKING.
SO IT'S ONE OF THE, THE LARGEST CONSOLIDATED, UH, THEY TAKE ROUTES THAT THAT USERS INPUT AND THEY'LL OVERLAY IT AND CREATE THIS MASSIVE HEAT MAP.
IT'S LIKE AN OPEN SOURCE, UH, THING THAT SHOWS ESSENTIALLY WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE ROUTES IN A CITY THAT PEOPLE ARE BIKING ON THE MOST, THAT ARE RUNNING ON THE MOST.
AND, UH, IT'S A GOOD, SIMILAR TO HOW THE CENSUS IS A SAMPLING OF THE TOTAL, UM, TOTAL COMMUNITY.
IT'S A GOOD SAMPLING OF, UM, PEOPLE WHO USE THIS APP, WHICH IS A, A GOOD BIT HIGHER THAN, THAN MOST OTHER EXITED APPS.
THEY REPRESENT A SAMPLE OF WHAT PROBABLY IS HAPPENING AT THE, THE LARGER LEVEL IN THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF RECREATIONAL MOVEMENT.
SO, UM, IN, IN THAT SLIDE, WE, WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW, OBVIOUSLY THE GREENWAY IS GONNA BE A, A BIG HOT SPOT, UH, PORTIONS OF THE ALPHA LOOP, BUT ALSO WHAT ROADS ARE, ARE BIKERS USING MORE THAN WE MIGHT THINK, AND WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ROADS WHERE, OR AREAS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND, AND WHERE CAN INTERVENTIONS CONTINUE TO BE, UM, JUSTIFIED AT A, AT A HIGH LEVEL, A MACRO LEVEL.
I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
IT'S MORE OF A CURIOSITY THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, YOU SAID IN THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR DAYTIME AND NIGHTTIME POPULATION WE'RE AN OUTLIER FROM A NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, UM, WHO, WHAT OTHER CITY IN THE COUNTRY COMES CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING WITH THAT CHANGE BETWEEN DAYTIME AND NIGHTTIME? YEAH, NO, THAT'S A GREAT, GREAT QUESTION.
AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD THROUGH THE YEARS HAD A LOT OF, UM, FUN TRYING TO, TO TEASE OUT WHAT THAT COULD MEAN.
UM, ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES, UH, AND, AND WHEN WE, OR THIS ORIGINALLY KIND OF BECAME A, A BIG STAT FOR THE CITY, IT WAS PRE COVID.
I, AND I THINK COVID TEMPERED THAT A LITTLE BIT, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE INFLOW.
UM, BUT THE, THE CITY IS, HAS, HAS BOUNCED BACK A GOOD BIT FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL.
UM, REDMOND, WASHINGTON, THE, UM, UH, HEADQUARTERS FROM MICROSOFT, UH, OUTSIDE OF OF SEATTLE, THEY WERE ONE THAT HAD THE, THE SAME NIGHTTIME TO DAYTIME, UM, UH, PERCENTAGE INCREASE.
UH, AND THEN DORAL, FLORIDA WAS ANOTHER ONE.
THERE WERE ANOTHER ONE, I THINK WITH THE AIRPORT AND A LOT OF THE, UM, HEY, GEORGE, CAN YOU PUT UP THAT SLIDE HOW ALPHARETTA CHANGED IN THE LAST 25 YEARS? IS THAT THE CHART YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, KAREN? UM, BUT THOSE WERE NO INFLOW AND OUTFLOW JOB.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE, JUST A FEW OF, OF THOSE CITIES THAT ARE OVER 50,000.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SMALLER TOWNS THAT MIGHT HAVE A FACTORY AND MM-HMM
BUT FOR A CITY, UM, AS BIG AS ALPHARETTA THERE, THERE'S FEW THAT, THAT SEE THAT SAME SHRINK S WELL, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BIGGER CITIES OBVIOUSLY, LIKE, SAY ATLANTA, THEY, THEY'LL HAVE A BIG INFLOW, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A LOT OF HIGHER POPULATION.
SO THE, THE CHANGE ON A DAILY BASIS ISN'T AS HIGH PERCENTAGE WISE.
ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU MR. KERN.
WE'RE GONNA OPEN, UM, THIS ITEM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
MS. TAYLOR, IS ANY ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP TO SPEAK BY? NO, THEY HAVE NOT.
SO SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN, UM, I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND ASK THE BOARD FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I JUST DID, DOES ANYBODY WANNA COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THE PLAN? OKAY.
UM, WELL, WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION THEN DO, ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT HAPPENS? SO I'LL JUST FILL YOU IN, UM, OUR VOTE.
WE WILL VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT AS THE PLANE COMMISSION.
UM, AND IT AS A TRANSMITTAL, IT THEN GOES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON MAY 18TH.
UM, SO THIS IS OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, IT THEN WILL GO BEFORE MR. KERN WILL THEN PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL ON MAY 18TH.
UH, THEY WILL, UH, ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY WILL VOTE ON IT AND THEN IT MOVES FORWARD FOR FURTHER APPROVALS.
SO IF, UM, WHAT I NEED NOW IS A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PH DASH 26 DASH ZERO NINE
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ALFREDA 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO AUTHORIZE TRANSMITTAL OF THE DRAFT PLAN TO THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS AND TO THE ATLANTA REGIONAL COMMISSION.ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
THANK YOU MR. KERN AND THANK YOU STAFF FOR A WONDERFUL, UM, COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE DRAFT.
ALL RIGHT, OUR SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS Z DASH 26 DASH OH FOUR SLASH V DASH 26 DASH OH 6 14 25 MAYFIELD.
UH, MR. WOMEN, I BELIEVE YOU'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT.
THANK YOU CHAIRWOMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
THE NEXT ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING AND VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SIX LOT FOR SALE.
SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED GATED SUBDIVISION ON APPROXIMATELY 4.56 ACRES.
REZONING IS REQUESTED FROM AG AGRICULTURE TO R 22, WHICH IS A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRING MINIMUM 22,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND A VARIANCE IS REQUESTED TO REDUCE THE LOCAL STREET RIGHT AWAY, WIDTH FROM 50 TO 44 FEET, AND ALLOW SIDEWALK ON JUST ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND HAVE THE LOCATION MAP ON THE OVERHEAD.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1425 MAYFIELD ROAD.
THE PROPOSED DENSITY OF THE SIX LOT SUBDIVISION IS 1.31 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
I WILL NOTE THAT IN YOUR PACKETS, THERE IS AN UPDATED SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE CITY AFTER THE STAFF REPORT WAS PREPARED, AND THAT UPDATED SITE PLAN DEPICTS FIVE LOTS.
SO THEY HAVE, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, AFTER RECEIVING THE REPORT AND REVIEWING THE CONDITIONS, HAD UPDATED THE SITE PLAN TO COMPLY WITH SOME OF THE CONDITIONS, UM, WHICH RESULTED IN THEM LOSING ONE LOT.
MY, UH, PRESENTATION THIS EVENING WILL FOCUS ON THE SIX LOT SITE PLAN, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS THE FIVE LOT.
I WILL LET THE APPLICANT PRESENT THAT REVISED SITE PLAN TO YOU AS PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION.
THIS PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH A ONE STORY JUST UNDER 1700 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED AG TO THE NORTH AND WEST AND R 15 TO THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST.
THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH DOES SUPPORT THE PROPOSED REZONING TO R 22.
THERE ARE FOUR ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED WITHIN THE VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION.
THAT WOULD BE AG RRE, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL ESTATE AND R 22.
OF COURSE, WHEN WE HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT ALLOWS MORE THAN ONE ZONING DISTRICT, WE ALWAYS, UH, ARE LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND HOW ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE DEVELOPED.
WE NOTED THAT THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL LOTS HAVE AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF 1.43 ACRES.
WHEN WE LOOK AT JUST THE PLATTED SUBDIVISION LOTS, THERE'S SUBDIVISION TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH.
THOSE HAVE AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF 0.96 ACRES.
THOSE ARE THE ABUTTING, UH, LOTS IN THOSE SUBDIVISIONS.
UM, AND THE SMALLEST ABUTTING, UH, LOT SIZE IS 0.69 ACRES, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS A VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE LOCAL STREET RIGHT AWAY WIDTH FROM 50 FEET TO 44 FEET AND ALLOW SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
UH, THE PROPOSED RIGHT OF WAY, UH, WIDTH A 44 FEET, UH, DOES MATCH THE, THE WIDTH OF LOCAL STREETS AND NEARBY SUBDIVISIONS AT GREENSLEY AND MAYFIELD ESTATES SUBDIVISIONS.
UM, THE HOMES ON THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST, AND I'LL JUST GO HERE, START OUT WITH THE SIX LOT SITE PLAN THAT THE STAFF REPORT WAS PREPARED BASED ON, UM, THE LOTS ARE ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF THE, THE LOCAL STREET, UM, AND THEREFORE HAVING SIDEWALK ON ON JUST THE SIDE OF THE STREET THAT THE LOTS ARE LOCATED,
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UH, WE DO BELIEVE WOULD MAKE SENSE AND IT DOES ALLOW FOR A LARGER BUFFER ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO, UH, CRAB APPLE TRACE SUBDIVISION.AND AGAIN, BUFFERS ARE NOT REQUIRED BY OUR CODE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE APPLICANT IS OFFERING SOME BUFFERS AS PART OF THIS, UH, REQUEST.
THE SITE PLAN HERE THAT YOU SEE IS THE SIX LOT SITE PLAN.
AGAIN, THE PROPERTY'S A LITTLE OVER FOUR AND A HALF ACRES.
THIS SITE PLAN SHOWS THE PROPERTY BEING SUBDIVIDED INTO SIX LOTS.
SHOW YOU THEIR FIVE LOT PLAN AS WELL.
THEY ARE ASKING TO GATE THE SUBDIVISION THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE.
UM, ONLY IN THE, DOWN IN THE DOWNTOWN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO GET A VARIANCE IN ORDER TO GATE, UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN, UH, GATING HAS TO BE SHOWN WITH THE PROPOSAL, UH, FOR REZONING AND COUNSEL MUST, UH, APPROVE IT.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS SITE, PLAN ACCESS IS FROM MAYFIELD ROAD.
UH, LOTS ARE ORIENTED TO THE PRIVATE LOCAL STREET, UM, WITH THAT STREET TERMINATING IN A CUL-DE-SAC WITH CENTER MEDIAN, UH, LOTS ON THIS PLAN RANGE BETWEEN JUST OVER 2200 22,000 SQUARE FEET AND A LITTLE OVER 26,000 SQUARE FEET WITH AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF 22,846 SQUARE FEET.
THE FIVE LOT PLAN THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AFTER THIS STAFF REPORT SHOWS ALL LOTS EXCEEDING 24,000 SQUARE FEET.
BASED ON OUR LOOK OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND HOW THEY'RE DEVELOP, UH, DEVELOPED STAFF RECOMMENDS A MINIMUM 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT WOULD MATCH THE SMALLEST LOT ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
WE DO NOTE THAT APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A MINIMUM 30,000 SQUARE FOOT WOULD CAUSE A REDUCTION IN LOTS.
UH, EVEN ON THE FIVE LOT PLAN, THERE'S A 65 FOOT SETBACK, UM, PROVIDED ALONG, UH, MAYFIELD ROAD.
THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY WAS ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO REDUCE THAT SETBACK.
THEY DID REMOVE THOSE VARIANCES AND THEY ARE MEETING THE REQUIRED 65 FOOT SETBACK FROM MAYFIELD.
THERE'S A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP ALSO ALONG MAYFIELD THAT DOES COMPLY WITH CODE.
AND THEN THERE'S A 35 FOOT FRONT SETBACK AND 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE ALONG THE NEW LOCAL STREET THAT DOES ALSO COMPLY WITH CODE.
AS I MENTIONED, BUFFERS ARE NOT REQUIRED BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP, UM, PLANTED TO BUFFER STANDARDS ALONG THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST PROPERTY LINES.
ON THE FIVE LOT PLAN, THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY INCREASES THE BUFFER ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT THEY'RE SHOWING FROM 10 TO 15 FEET.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO CRAB APPLE TRACE, AND THAT WOULD ALSO COMPLY WITH ONE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDED, UH, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
THE THE SIX LOT PLAN DID, WE FELT PROVIDED THE SPACE NECESSARY FOR 15, ALTHOUGH THEY WERE SHOWING 10 AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD THAT CONDITION.
THERE ARE ALSO SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TREES ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE TREES ON THE PROPERTY PRI PRIMARILY CONSISTS OF HARDWOODS.
UH, AND THERE ARE 19 SPECIMEN TREES ON THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PLAN.
THE TREES THAT HAVE CIRCLES AROUND THEM REPRESENT THE SPECIMEN TREES, UH, ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, THE SITE PLAN ACTUALLY DEPICTS INSTEAD OF DEPICTING, UH, SPECIFIC TREE SAVES, THEY HAVE CLOUDED AREAS HERE ON THE PLAN WHERE THEY'RE, UH, INDICATING THAT THEY, THERE ARE APPROXIMATE TREE SAVE AREAS.
UM, THEY'RE NOT SPECIFIC CALLOUTS ON SPECIFIC TREES AND THERE'S NO INDICATION OF HOW MANY SPECIMEN TREES ARE, ARE, UM, WOULD BE SAVED IN THE CLOUDED AREAS.
ALSO, UM, IN NOTICE THAT THERE IS A NODE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT REASONABLE EFFORTS WILL BE MADE TO SAVE EXISTING TREES ON THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
SO THERE'S JUST WITHOUT THAT, THAT CERTAINTY ON SPECIFIC TREE SAVES.
WE HAD THE CITY ARBORISTS LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND IDENTIFIED AND RECOMMENDED SPECIFIC SPECIMEN TREE SAVES AS WELL AS REQUIRING TREE GROUPINGS AND TREES OF QUALITY TO BE IDENTIFIED AND SAVED.
UH, THERE IS AN UNDERGROUND STORMWATER FACILITY ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY JUST BELOW THE, UM, CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, THEY ARE CURRENTLY SHOWING AN UNDERGROUND, UH, FACILITY THERE AND THAT THAT UNDERGROUND FACILITY, THAT AREA WOULD ALSO SERVE AS A 11,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, POCKET PARK.
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THERE'S ALSO A MALE KIOSK LOCATED ADJACENT TO THAT AREA.THAT STORMWATER AREA HAS BEEN AMENDED ON THE FIVE LOT PLANS SLIGHTLY AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE OUTFALL FOR THE STORMWATER FACILITY.
SO IF YOU NOTE ON THIS REPRESENTS THE SIX LOT PLAN HERE, THE TRUE, UH, RECTANGULAR SHAPE HERE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, AND WITH THE OUTFALL LOCATION APPROXIMATELY AT THIS LOCATION, THE OUTFALL ON THE FIVE LOT PLAN HAS BEEN MOVED FURTHER AWAY FROM THE SOUTH AND WEST PROPERTY LINES, UH, TO ALLOW FOR CONDITION 16.
AND I'LL, WHEN I GO OVER THE CONDITIONS, I'LL POINT THAT AGAIN.
SO WE TALK ABOUT IN CONDITION 16, UH, THAT OUTFALL BEING SUFFICIENTLY SET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, TO MIMIC, UH, SHEET FLOW WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE WITH WATER RUNNING OFF DURING A RAIN EVENT.
THE HOME DESIGNS, UM, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE SOME PHOTOGRAPHIC INSPIRATION OF THE EXAMPLES OF THE TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND MATERIALS THAT THEY WERE PROPOSED ON THESE HOMES.
THE PRIMARY EXTERIOR MATERIAL THAT WE SEE IN THESE IMAGES, SEE IF I CAN ALL ACTUALLY I FLIP BETWEEN THESE, UM, ARE BRICK, STONE AND STUCCO WITH THE HOME STYLES REPRESENTATIVE OF A TRADITIONAL ENGLISH OR EUROPEAN ARCHITECTURAL INFLUENCE.
SO YOU SEE THAT AND THE APPLICANT IS INTENDING TO DO MORE CUSTOM HOMES IS WHILE YOU'RE SEEING PHOTOGRAPHIC, UH, INSPIRATION AGAIN OUTSIDE THE DOWNTOWN.
UM, WE DO NOT REQUIRE, UH, RENDERINGS, UH, WITH THE APPLICATIONS, UM, BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLE REQUIREMENTS OUTSIDE THE DOWNTOWN.
AND THEN OF COURSE LOOKED LOOKING AT THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THE REQUESTED VARIANT, UM, SORRY, REZONING AND VARIANCE.
WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE SUITABLE AS IT RELATES TO THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF ADJACENT NEARBY PROPERTIES.
THE R 22 ZONING DISTRICT MATCHES THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NARROW SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE DO THINK THOUGH, IF APPROVED THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE SHOULD BE INCREASED FROM THE 22,000 SQUARE FEET TO AT LEAST A MINIMUM 30,000 SQUARE FEET IN ORDER TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING UH, DEVELOPMENT.
WE ALSO NOTED THAT THE PROPERTY DID HAVE EXCEPTIONAL AND PECULIAR CONDITIONS RELATED TO ITS LONG, NARROW SHAPE.
THE VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE LOCAL STREET WIDTH, UM, AS I MENTIONED, WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO CRAB APPLE TRACE SUBDIVISION, AND THE LOTS ARE ONLY LOCATED ON ONE SIDE OF THAT STREET.
UM, YOU GET THE BUFFER, WHICH IS NOT REQUIRED BY CODE, AND YOU DON'T GET A REDUNDANT, UH, SIDEWALK THAT IS JUST ADDING ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS AREA TO THE SITE.
AND WE ALSO NOTICE, UH, NOTED THAT THE, UH, REDUCED RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH THAT IS REQUESTED HAS BEEN, UM, IMPLEMENTED AT A COUPLE NEARBY, UH, SUBDIVISIONS, GREENSLEY AND MAYFIELD STATES.
AND WE DO HAVE EXAMPLES OF LOCAL STREETS, UM, I BELIEVE IS, IS, UM, WITH A RIGHT OF WIDTH, UH, DOWN TO 40 FEET IN THE DOWNTOWN.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THE REQUIRED, UH, CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN, THE REPORT INDICATING THAT THEY RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, RECEIVING SOME CONCERNS, INCLUDING TRAFFIC, TREE REMOVAL, DENSITY, AND STORM WATER RUNOFF.
THE APPLICANT ALSO, UH, PROVIDED SEVERAL LETTERS OF SUPPORT WITH THEIR APPLICATION, WHICH ARE IN YOUR PACKET.
STAFF HAS ALSO RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE FROM NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WITH CONCERNS OVER DISRUPTIONS DURING, UH, CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL WILDLIFE ON THE PROPERTY, INCREASED TRAFFIC, FINANCIAL BURDEN FROM INCREASED PROPERTY TAXES, TREE REMOVAL, LOSS OF GREEN SPACE, UH, DENSITY, LOSS OF PRIVACY, AND BUFFERING STORMWATER RUNOFF, SEWER AND UTILITY IMPACTS, UH, AND THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT THE BUILDER.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE A COUPLE OF NEW, UM, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AS OF TODAY.
I BELIEVE ELLIE HAS HANDED THOSE OUT SOME HARD COPIES OUT TO YOU, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, THAT MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL HARD COPIES TO BE PASSED OUT.
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THIS REQUEST WAS SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC AT THE APRIL 8TH.COMMUNITY ZONING INFORMATION MEETING.
THERE WERE SEVERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
CONCERNS NOTED WERE TO THE VARIANCES AT CZIM.
THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING BELIEVE WE WERE AT R 15 ZONING AT THAT TIME WITH NINE LOTS SUBDIVISION.
UM, SO SOME OF THE CONCERNS HAVE, HAVE, HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WITH SOME CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE TO THE APPLICATION.
UH, BUT THERE WERE CONCERNS OVER THE VARIANCES, UH, CHANGE IN ZONING, TOO MANY HOMES, STORM WATER RUNOFF, TREE REMOVAL, AND THE REDUCED SETBACK ON MAYFIELD ROAD, WHICH THAT, THAT REDUCED SETBACK WAS, UH, VARIANCE WAS PULLED.
AND WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST SUBJECT TO 18 CONDITIONS, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE CONDITIONS.
CONDITION ONE IS A SITE PLAN SPECIFIC, UH, CONDITION.
UM, TYING IT TO THE SITE, THE SIX LOT SITE PLAN, UH, DATED 4 21 26 BY KIMLEY HORN, AND THAT'S REZONING TO R 22.
CONDITION TWO WOULD REQUIRE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, LOOKING AT THE FIVE LOT SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED TO GET TO 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, IT APPEARS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO LOSE ONE ADDITIONAL LOT FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR LOTS.
HOWEVER, I'VE NOT, I'M NOT LAID THAT OUT OR ANYTHING, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT APPEARS THAT THEY WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO COMPLY WITH.
TWO CONDITION THREE TIES THE HOME STYLES AND MATERIALS TO THE SUBMITTED, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS BY THE APPLICANT AND GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT, UM, PRIMARY EXTERIOR MATERIALS AS WELL AS THREE-SIDED ARCHITECTURE MATERIALS, AND THAT WOULD BE APPROVED BY STAFF.
UH, CONDITION FOUR ADDRESSES THE GATING OF THE SUBDIVISION AND AGAIN, TIES IT TO THE, UH, SUBMITTED, UH, SITE PLAN AND HAS SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR A NUMBER OF, UH, VEHICLE STACKING.
UM, AND WITH FINAL APPROVAL, UM, OF THAT AT LAND TURBINES PERMIT CONDITION FIVE, UH, DEALS WITH THE STREETS SCAPE ALONG MAYFIELD ROAD, A SIX FOOT PLANTER WITH A MINIMUM SIX FOOT SIDEWALK AND DECORATIVE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING CONDITION.
SIX ADDRESSES THE VARIANCE TO THE LOCAL STREET RIGHT OF WAY WITH, UH, REDUCING THAT TO 44 FEED AND ALLOWING SIDEWALK ON JUST ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
IT WOULD BE A LOCAL STREET PRIVATELY MAINTAINED BY THE HOA CONDITION.
SEVEN DEVELOPERS SHALL PROVIDE A STRIPED CROSSWALK CONNECTING THE SIDEWALKS ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE TO THE STREET.
THIS CONDITION NUMBER SEVEN HAS BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE FIVE LOT PLAN.
UM, SO IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO THE FIVE LOT PLAN CONDITION, SEVEN WOULDN'T JUST BE STRICKEN COMPLETELY IN THE SIX LOT PLAN.
WE HAD THAT CONDITION IN, BECAUSE THE SIDEWALK IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET ALL THE WAY TO THIS POINT, AND THEN IT JUMPS TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET ON THE FIVE LOT PLAN.
THEY KEEP THE, THE SIDEWALK ENTIRELY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET AND WRAP IT UP TO THIS POINT.
CONDITION EIGHT DEALS WITH THE MINIMUM, UH, THE LANDS MINIMUM 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP, UH, PROVIDED ALONG MAYFIELD ROAD.
THIS CONDITION IS VERY SIMILAR TO OTHER, UH, RECENT APPROVALS ALONG MAYFIELD ROAD, UH, GOING BEYOND THE LAND.
THE TYPICAL LANDSCAPE STRIP THAT'S REQUIRED IN REQUIRING A BERM OR DECORATIVE BRICKSTONE WALL SIMILAR TO GREENSLEY OR HARRINGTON FALLS SUBDIVISIONS CONDITION NINE ADDRESSES THE LANDSCAPE STRIP, UH, I'M SORRY, THE, UM, THE BUFFERING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY REQUIRING 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIPS, PLANTED THE BUFFER STANDARDS ALONG THE EAST AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES, AND A MINIMUM 15 FOOT, UH, LANDSCAPE STRIP PLANTED THE BUFFER STANDARDS ALONG THE WEST SIDE.
CONDITION 10 ADDRESSES THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE NEW STREET.
CONDITION 11 IS THE ENTRANCE MEDIAN SHALL BE PLANTED WITH A LARGE CANOPY TREE, SHRUBS, ORNAMENTAL GRASS, UH, GROUND COVER, ET CETERA.
12 UNFINISHED WOOD FENCES AND DECKS SHALL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM MAYFIELD ROAD.
CONDITION 13 ADDRESSES THE TREE SAVES.
NUMBER 13 IS WHAT THE CITY, UH, ARBORIST RECOMMENDS.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TREES, UH, SPECIMEN TREES AT THE FRONT OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON MAYFIELD ROAD.
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ARE THE TREE NUMBERS, TWO 90 THROUGH 2 93.UM, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING CHANGES TO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CONDITION TO ALLOW THE TREE SAFE PLAN THAT I SHOWED, UH, THAT THEY, UH, PRESENTED.
UM, AND WE WOULD, UM, ASK THAT CONDITION 13 REMAIN AS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.
CONDITION NUMBER 14, DEVELOPER SHALL IDENTIFY AND SAVE ADDITIONAL TREE GROUPINGS AND TREES OF QUALITY AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
15 REQUIRES THE DEVELOPER TO REMOVE EXOTIC AND EVA TREES AND SHRUBS WITHIN THE THERESA AREAS AND REPLANT OR SPARSE CONDITION.
16, UM, IS, GOES BACK TO THE STORMWATER, UM, RELEASE POINT.
AS I MENTIONED, UH, THE OUTFALL THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
IT SAYS IF AN ACT GRADE RELEASE IS REQUIRED.
SO IF THEY DO NOT CONNECT, IF THERE'S NOT AN ADJACENT STORM PIPE, UM, OFFSITE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO CONNECT DIRECTLY INTO, THEY COULD RELEASE THIS, UH, THE STORMWATER POND COULD BE RELEASED AT GRADE.
AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, WE ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT EROSION AND IMPACTS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
SO THE CONDITION READS, IF AN ACCURATE RELEASE IS REQUIRED, THE POINT OF RELEASE SHALL BE SUFFICIENTLY SET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO MIMIC SHEET FLOW BEFORE LEAVING THE PROPERTY AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
SO ONCE THERE'S MORE, UH, DIGGING INTO THE DETAILS OF THE STORM WATER PLAN, THE HYDROLOGY STUDY IS PERFORMED AND AN ACTUAL, UM, STORM STORMWATER STRATEGY IS SUBMITTED FOR STAFF TO REVIEW.
UH, WE WILL DETERMINE, UM, THAT THE NECESSARY SETBACK, UM, UM, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, UH, THAT RELEASE AT GRADE.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MIMICKING SHEET FLOW, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MIMICKING THE NATURAL FLOW OF WATER AT DURING A RAIN EVENT ACROSS THE LAND.
UM, THIS CONDITION JUST ADDRESSES HOW THAT RELEASE, UH, WOULD OCCUR.
IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT THE APPLICANT, OUR, OUR, OUR THE STATE REQUIRES THAT JUST THE RELEASE RATE NOT BE INCREASED BEYOND WHAT IT IS TODAY.
AND SO NOTHING IN THE CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS NOT COMMITTED TO MAKE IT BETTER THAN IT IS ON THE EXISTING PROPERTY TODAY.
THEY'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO NOT EXCEED THE RELEASE.
UM, THE, THE, THE INCREASE, UM, RATE OF RELEASE ON THE PROPERTY THAT THERE IS THERE TODAY, 17 KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH, UH, IT RELATES TO THAT STORMWATER OUTFALL.
UM, IT DOES SAY THAT UTILITY STRUCTURES, HEAD WALLS, ET CETERA, SHALL BE FINISHED WITH DECORATIVE BRICK OF STONE IF VISIBLE FROM OFFSITE AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
SO SOMETIMES THESE OUTFALL, UH, POINT OF OUTFALL ARE TYPICALLY JUST A CON, UH, CONCRETE STRUCTURE, NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST ATTRACTIVE.
AND WHEN THEY CAN BE VIEWED FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES, WE LIKE THEM TO BE DECORATIVE IN CONDITION 18 TYPICALLY SAYS 10%.
NO MORE THAN 10% OF THE, THE HOMES SHALL BE RENTED AS RECORDED IN THE HOA DECLARATION AND COVENANTS, BECAUSE THERE'S LESS THAN, UH, 10 PROPERTIES HERE, WE SAY NO MORE THAN ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT WOULD BE RENTED.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF REPORT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY, UH, TO TAKE THOSE.
A COUPLE QUESTIONS BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION A LONG TIME, AND I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN KIND OF A DISJOINTED, UH, BETWEEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.
SO KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH, YOU BASED YOUR STAFF REPORT ON THEIR SITE PLAN ON 4 21, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THEN THEY SUBMITTED A LAST MINUTE SITE PLAN ON FOUR 30.
I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT DATE THAT IT CAME IN, BUT THE APPLICANT WAS GIVEN THE STAFF REPORTS ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS TUESDAY THE 28TH, AND WITHIN A FEW DAYS AFTER THAT, YES, WE DID.
UH, THEY REVIEWED THE, THE CONDITIONS AND THEY DID UPDATE AND PROVIDE A FIVE LOT SITE PLAN.
SO THEN YOU HAVE A NEW SITE PLAN, WHICH THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, CORRECT.
WHICH MOST OF THE PUBLIC PROBABLY HASN'T SEEN.
SO ALSO, ISN'T THERE A REQUIREMENT IN THE APPLICATION FOR A TREE SAFE SITE PLAN? IS, IS THAT NOT A REQUIREMENT IN OUR PROCESS? YEAH.
SO THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING APPLICATION DOES HAVE, THERE'S A PAGE, I I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S PAGE SEVEN OR EIGHT, BUT IT DOES DISCUSS SUBMITTING A TREE SURVEY, TREE ASSESSMENT, AND THEN A TREE SAFE PLAN.
AND THAT TREE SAFE PLAN IS TO BE OVERLAID ON THE SITE PLAN, THE TREES TO BE REMOVED, THE SPECIMEN TREES AND TREES OF QUALITY TO BE REMOVED, UH, WOULD BE MARKED WITH AN
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X, AND THEN THE TREES THAT WOULD BE SAVED WOULD BE SHOWN WITH THEIR CRITICAL ROOT ZONE AND STRUCTURAL ROOT PLAY AROUND THEM.SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THEY DIDN'T DO THAT ON ALL THREE MODIFICATIONS ON THE SITE, CORRECT? IT'S THE, THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE JUST SHOWS THE CLOUDED AREAS.
AND SO BECAUSE THEY DID NOT PROVIDE THAT OUR ARBORIST HAD TO GO IN AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE TREES THAT THE CITY SHOULD STAY SAFE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THE, YEAH, BUT DUE TO THE LACK OF CERTAINTY OF WHAT TREES WOULD BE SAVED, WE DID ASK THE CITY ARBORISTS TO, TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND WEIGH IN ON WHAT HE BELIEVED WOULD BE GOOD TREE SAVES.
UM, AND THEN A QUICK QUESTION ON THE LOCAL STREET, RIGHT AWAY FROM 50 TO 45 TO ALLOW A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY CORRECT IN NOT HAVING THE SIDEWALK THERE.
SO IT PROVIDES THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER REQUIRED.
WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, PARKING ON THE STREET? I MEAN, WELL, THEY, EVEN WITH THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD, AND GEORGE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS, UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE ROAD, CORRECT? BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE BE ABLE TO ACCESS.
YEAH, SO THEY'RE, AND, AND GEORGE PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ADD TO THIS AS WELL, BUT I BELIEVE THEY'RE SHOWING, UM, THE ACTUAL ROAD WIDTH IS 24 FEET, AND OUR LOCAL STREET STANDARD DETAIL, UM, SHOWS THAT YOU NEED AT LEAST 28 FEET OF A RIGHT AWAY OR NOT RIGHT AWAY OF, OF ACTUAL PAVED ROAD SECTION, UM, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE CURB IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO THIS, SO LET ME BE CLEAR, THIS SITE PLAN WOULD NOT ALLOW PARKING ON THE STREET, CORRECT? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD.
GEORGE, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I, I HAVE NOT SEEN SITE PLAN, SO I'D NEED TO REVIEW IT TO, TO CONFIRM IF THAT'S THE CASE OR NOT.
I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR THE COMMISSIONERS.
UM, FIRST OFF, MICHAEL, COULD YOU PUT THE CONDITIONS UP ON THE, UH, SCREEN PAGE ONE AT LEAST.
SO FOR CONDITION TWO, WE RECEIVED FROM THE APPLICANT A MARKUP, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING A 24,000, UH, SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
AND YOU HIT ON THIS BRIEFLY, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE MORE TO THE, THE ISSUE OF AND THE IMPORTANCE OF COMPATIBILITY WITH ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND WHY THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING 30,000 SQUARE FEET? YEAH, CERTAINLY.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY IS VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
AND OUR COMP PLAN SHOWS THAT THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
REMEMBER, WE ALSO, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT REZONING REQUESTS, WE ALSO HAVE REVIEW CRITERIA.
AND THE FIRST TWO REVIEW CRITERIA TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THE, IS THE PROPOSED REZONING, UH, COMPATIBLE OR IS IT GOING TO IMPACT SURROUNDING AND NEARBY PROPERTIES? SO WHEN WE HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT ALLOW MORE THAN ONE ZONING DISTRICT, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THOSE REVIEW CRITERIA.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND HOW THEY'RE DEVELOPED, AND THAT'S WHERE WE, THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE MINIMUM 30,000 SQUARE FEET LOTS.
AND THEN COULD YOU SHOW ON THE SCREEN CONDITION NUMBER 14? UH, BECAUSE I KIND OF SHARE COMMISSIONER, UH, MADAM CHAIR WOMAN'S CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TREE SAVES.
SO IF I HOP BACK UP TO 13, UH, THE APPLICANT ALSO PROVIDED US A MARKUP WITH EVERYTHING ON AFTER ON LINE ONE WHERE IT SAYS TREE NUMBER 92 90, I'M SORRY, EVERYTHING AFTER THAT IS MARKED IN STRIKE THROUGH DOWN TO THE LAST SENTENCE IN 13 THAT SAYS, REASONABLE EFFORT SHALL BE MADE.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT LAST SENTENCE.
ON REASONABLE EFFORT SHALL BE MADE TO SAVE GOOD QUALITY TREES ON EACH LOT AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
AND THEN THE SECOND, AND THEN THE NEXT CONDITION, CONDITION 14, DEVELOPER SHALL IDENTIFY AND SAVE ADDITIONAL TREE GROUPINGS AND TREES OF QUALITY AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
I'M ASSUMING ON THOSE TWO PARTS AS APPROVED BY STAFF, THE DEVELOPER MUST COME BACK WITH AN ACTUAL TREE SAVE
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PLAN LIKE YOU DESCRIBED, ALBEIT AFTER THE FACT AND AFTER THE HEARING.AND CLEARING COULD NOT BE DONE UNLESS THE STAFF APPROVES THAT PLAN? CORRECT.
SO THE, IF, IF THIS APPLICATION WERE APPROVED, THEIR NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS WOULD BE TO GO FOR A LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT TO SHOW HOW THEY WOULD SUBDIVIDE THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND A THE TREE SAVE, UH, WOULD BE PART OF THAT LAND OF SERVANTS PERMIT.
UM, SO THE CITY ARBORIST WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT AND THEY WOULD, HE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE REASONABLE EFFORTS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, POSITIONING HOME LOTS OR HOME FOOTPRINTS IN DRIVEWAYS ON EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS TO TRY TO WORK AROUND THE TREES AS, AS BEST THEY COULD.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IS INTENDED BY THOSE TWO CONDITIONS.
I HAD A QUESTION GOING BACK TO THE, UH, ENTRANCE.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE DRIVEWAY, THE ROAD INTO THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S A TRUE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S A TRUE TWO LANE ROAD, YOU KNOW, ONE CAN PASS AND THE OTHER GOING ONE WAY AND ANOTHER VEHICLE THE OTHER WAY.
THERE'S JUST NO ROOM TO PARK IF THERE ARE TWO CARS GOING ONE WAY AND ONE GOING ONE WAY AND THE OTHER ONE GOING THE OTHER WAY.
SO WE HAVE, SO THIS IS THE LOCAL STREET, UM, THE CITY'S LOCAL, UH, STREET, UH, STANDARD DETAIL HERE.
AND SO THIS BOTTOM DETAIL SHOWS A TWO LANE LOCAL STREET WITH NO ON STREET PARKING AND THE CURB AND THE TRAVEL LANES FROM THIS POINT TO THIS POINT IS 24 FEET, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO NO, ON STREET PARKING COULD BE ACCOMMODATED IF YOU HAVE A TWO LANE STREET, BUT WITH A WIDER, UH, TRAVEL LANE AND CURB, UM, YOU NEED AT LEAST 28 FEET BETWEEN CURB TO CURB IN ORDER TO ALLOW PARKING ON JUST ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
THE CONCERN, OF COURSE, IS IF YOU HAVE PARKING ON THE STREET, YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UH, BLOCKING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BLOCKING EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
QUESTION ABOUT CONDITION NUMBER NINE, UH, PARTICULARLY AS IT, AS IT RELATES TO THE BUFFER, UH, THE 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP PLANTED TO BUFFER STANDARDS, UM, WHERE CURRENTLY THAT'S FILLED WITH EXISTING MATURE TREES.
UH, COULD YOU SHARE WITH US WHAT BUFFER STANDARDS ACTUALLY ARE? SO THE BUFFER STANDARDS, BASICALLY WHAT OUR CODE SAYS IS THAT THE AREA WOULD BE, UH, PLANTED, UM, WITH A MIX OF EVERGREEN AND DECIDUOUS, UH, MATERIAL, 80% EVERGREEN TO 20% DID DECIDUOUS, AND THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE AN OPAQUE SCREEN WITHIN 18 MONTHS.
AND IS THERE A MINIMUM HEIGHT? WE DO HAVE MINIMUM HEIGHT AND, AND CALIPER SIZE.
UH, TYPICALLY WE USE A MINIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE EVERGREENS AND A MINIMUM CALIPER, UH, FOR THE DECIDUOUS.
AND ANOTHER QUESTION WE HAD MENTIONED THAT THE, UM, THE APPLICANT IS NOT THE BUILDER.
I THINK THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS VOICED AS PART OF THE FEED, SOME OF THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED.
I, I, I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO THAT.
'CAUSE MY CONCERN IN THAT REGARD IS WHO WOULD HAVE OVERSIGHT DURING CONSTRUCTION TO MAKE SURE THE CONDITIONS ARE MONITORED AND MET? UNDERSTOOD.
I'M SURE WE'LL BE CALLING YOU BACK UP HERE SHORTLY.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
MY NAME'S DAN WEBB, 1105 WEST PEACHTREE STREET, ATLANTA, GEORGIA, 3 0 3 0 9 HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
MAYFIELD DEVELOPMENT TO MY RIGHT IS, UH, STEVEN BATES.
STEVEN IS A CO-OWNER AND PRINCIPAL WITH THAT COMPANY.
BEFORE I GET INTO THE DETAILS, LEMME TOUCH ON A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE JUST RAISED.
UH, LET TALK ABOUT WHY WE CHANGED THE SITE PLAN.
SO, UH, AS YOU HEARD, A STAFF REPORT WAS GENERATED,
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A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS WERE PROPOSED.WE WANTED TO SEE WHICH OF THOSE WE COULD MEET AND MEET EVERY ONE WE COULD.
THAT'S WHY WE REVISED THE PLAN.
AND SO YOU HEARD WE MADE SOME CHANGES AS A RESULT OF THOSE CONDITIONS TO PROVE, YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.
WE CAN ADD THE 15 FOOT PLANTED BUFFER, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SHIFT THE PROPERTY LINES AND SOME OTHER DETAILS THAT WE'RE ASKED FOR.
THE BIGGEST THING WE COULDN'T DO WAS MEET THE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT.
THAT WAS PART OF THE EXERCISE TOO.
WE WERE AT 22,000 SQUARE FEET ON THE LAST ITERATION OF THE PLAN.
WE TRIED TO SEE WHETHER WE COULD MEET 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE BEST WE COULD DO WAS A MINIMUM OF 24,000.
THAT WOULD BE THE SMALLEST SIZE LOT, LOT.
THERE ARE A FEW THAT ARE, ARE BIGGER, BUT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT WHY THAT, UH, I THINK IS APPROPRIATE HERE, BECAUSE LITERALLY ONE LOT OVER, THERE'S AN R 15 DEVELOPMENT IN COMING OUTTA THE GROUND RIGHT NOW.
THOSE LOTS ARE 15,000 SQUARE FEET AND IS IS LITERALLY ONE LOT AWAY FROM WHERE WE ARE.
RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT THE CITY REZONE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO CALLED MAYFIELD ESTATES AT R 22.
THOSE LOTS ARE 25,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO AGAIN, UH, WE WERE TRYING TO TEST THE CONDITIONS.
WE WANTED TO CHANGE THE SITE PLAN SO WE COULD SHOW WE CAN MEET EVERYONE THAT, OR THAT WE WERE WILLING TO MEET EVERYONE THAT WE REASONABLY COULD.
AND THAT'S WHY, UH, THAT CHANGE WAS MADE.
NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE SUBMITTED A TREE SAFE PLAN.
AND LET ME SHOW YOU, I'VE GOT IT AS PART OF MY PACKET.
UH, THIS, I BELIEVE COULD HAVE COME AFTER THE, OR I THINK I BELIEVE DID COME AFTER THE STAFF REPORT WAS GENERATED, BUT I HAVE A COPY OF IT HERE AND IT DOES SHOW THE XS ON WHERE TREES, UH, UH, UH, WILL BE REMOVED.
AND IT DOES SHOW AREAS THAT WE INTEND, OR TREES AND AREAS THAT WE INTEND TO SAVE TREES.
UH, THAT IS WHY WE ASKED FOR CHANGES TO CONDITION NUMBER 13.
SHOW STACK WAS SORT OF TAKEN A SHOT IN THE DARK HERE, AGAIN, TO TEST THE CONDITIONS, TO TRY AND MEET EVERYONE WE REASONABLY COULD.
WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF ENGINEERING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT COULD BE SAVED AND WHAT COULDN'T.
THERE'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, UH, TREES THAT WILL BE SAVED ON THIS PROPERTY, BOTH INTERNAL TO THE SITE AND ON THE MARGINS.
UH, MICHAEL MENTIONED THE C-Z-I-M-I-I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THIS.
AT THE TIME OF THE CZIM, THE REQUEST WAS TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY, NUMBER ONE TO R 15, THAT THAT ALLOWS 15,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOTS, UH, AND TO, UH, UH, APPROVE NINE LOTS.
TONIGHT WE'RE ASKING TO REZONE TO R 22 WITH, IN THIS, WHICH ALLOWS A 22,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, UH, A MINIMUM LOT.
BUT AGAIN, WE'VE INCREASED THAT TO 24,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH FOR THE RECORD IS 0.55 ACRES.
UH, AND, UH, SO YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THEN IS NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
UM, SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT MY NOTES HERE TO SEE WHAT ELSE I NEED TO COVER.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE 24 FOOT, UH, ROADWAY WIDTH.
AGAIN, I I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, UH, LATER.
BUT TO CLARIFY, THE STARTING POINT IN THESE HOMES IS $4 MILLION.
THE, THE, THE, THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT, SUBSTANTIAL HOMES.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THREE CAR GARAGES, GONNA HAVE SIGNIFICANT CARPORTS WITH A LOT OF PARKING AREA ON THE STREET.
AND THEN THERE IS ROOM TO PARK ON THE STREET, AT LEAST ON ONE SIDE.
AND AGAIN, THIS EXACT ROADWAY CONFIGURATION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, WHICH STAFF REC RECOMMENDED, UH, APPROVAL FOR IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN MAYFIELD ESTATES.
LITERALLY THE SAME WIDTH THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THAT REZONING.
UH, AND I'VE GOT SOME IMAGES TO SHOW YOU THAT AS WELL, UH, SHOW YOU THAT DEVELOPMENT TOO.
UM, OH, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO MENTION, MR. WOOD MENTIONED WE HAD SEVERAL LETTERS OF SUPPORT SUBMITTED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
WE HAVE 23 LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
SO WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE RATHER SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN AND AROUND THIS SITE.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, LEMME GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE DETAILS.
AND I, I, I WILL TRY AND NOT DUPLICATE WHAT MR. WOODMAN DID.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I'VE GOT AN AERIAL TO SITE HERE.
YOU CAN SEE FAINTLY OUTLINED IN RED, UH, THE PROJECT, UH, OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AS YOU HEARD, THIS IS 4.6 ACRES, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MAYFIELD ROAD.
AND, AND MR. WOODMAN MENTIONED THAT WE ARE IN THE VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AREA THAT ALLOWS UP TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE.
AND AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TONIGHT IS ABOUT 1.1 UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, THERE IS A HOUSE, YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT THROUGH THE TREES THERE.
UH, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS VACANT.
THIS IS A COPY OF THE ZONING MAP AND YOU'LL SEE I'VE GOT ONE BOX OUTLINED IN BLUE.
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS BECAUSE YOU'LL NOTICE THERE IS THERE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LIGHT YELLOW SURROUNDING US.
YELLOW IS R 15 REZONING, WHICH AGAIN ALLOWS 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, WHICH EQUATES TO A THIRD OF IT AN ACRE.
THIS PROPERTY IS LITERALLY SURROUNDED BY AND IS WITHIN A C OF R 15 ZONE PROPERTIES.
AND I'VE GOT ANOTHER BLOW UP THAT SHOWS
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A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CLOSER EXAMPLE.AGAIN, OUR SITE IS IN BLUE, AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY WHAT THAT RED PROPERTY IS IN A MINUTE.
SEVEN OF THOSE LOTS ARE AGAIN, ZONED R 15, WHICH ALLOWS, UH, A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM.
THERE IS ONE YOU'LL NOTICE ON MAYFIELD ROAD ADJACENT TO US THAT IS OWNED AG ONE.
THERE IS A NEWER HOME ON THAT SITE.
THE PERSON THAT LIVES AT THAT HOME IS ONE OF THE CO-OWNERS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO SHE WILL BE AS IMPACTED AS ANYBODY BY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE TONIGHT.
LEMME TURN TO THE RED BOX AGAIN.
I MENTIONED THERE'S AN R 15 DEVELOPMENT COMING OUTTA THE GROUND RIGHT NOW.
IT IS KNOWN AS MARIGOLD AT MAYFIELD.
THEY'RE SEEKING 11 HOME SITES WITH A MINIMUM OF LOT SIZE OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT ANOTHER SITE A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT YOU, YOU CAN SEE IT HERE ON MY CURSOR, THAT PROPERTY ZONED R 22.
THAT'S WHAT WE ACTUALLY MODEL THIS DEVELOPMENT AGAIN, UH, AGAINST.
ULTIMATELY IT'S CALLED, UH, UH, MAYFIELD ESTATES.
AND IT IS COMPARABLE IN MANY, MANY WAYS.
AND I'M GONNA COVER THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER SINCE CLEARLY THERE'S BEEN SOME WORK DONE ON THIS.
I THOUGHT I WOULD BRIEFLY TOUCH ON SORT OF THE PROGRESSION OF THE SITE PLANS HERE.
UH, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
AGAIN, I MENTIONED WE STARTED AT R 15 NINE LOTS.
WE, WE, UH, FILED THE APPLICATION WITH THIS REQUEST, UH, IN THE BEGINNING.
AND AS PART OF THE REQUEST, WE SOUGHT A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND WE SOUGHT THREE VARIANCES.
THIS PLAN WAS APPARENTLY SOCIALIZED WITHIN THESE FOUR WALLS.
AND THE MESSAGE BACK WAS THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT SORT OF COMPLICATES THINGS WE WE'D LIKE TO GET AWAY FROM THAT.
WE'D ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER R 22 ZONING, WHICH IS, AS YOU HEARD, IS WHAT THE CURRENT COMP, UH, COMP PLAN CALLS FOR, UH, IN THIS AREA AND ON THIS SITE.
SO WE WENT TO PLAN TWO, AND THIS IS THE PLAN THAT MICHAEL, UH, REVIEWED AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT PRESENTATION AND REVIEWED TONIGHT.
AND IT SHOWS, AS YOU HEARD, UH, SIX LOTS DEVELOPED UNDER THE R TWO R 22 ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, AND THAT EQUATES TO A DENSITY OF 1.3 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL PLAN AT NINE, UH, LOTS WAS ABOUT TWO UNITS AN ACRE.
SO IT WAS AT THE TOP END OF THE COMP PLAN ALLOWANCE.
WE HAVE INCHED IT DOWN FROM TWO UNITS AN ACRE TO 1.3 IN PLAN NUMBER TWO.
AGAIN, THESE ARE 22,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT MINIMUMS. ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THIS PLAN WAS WE WENT FROM THREE VARIANCES DOWN TO TWO.
THIS IS THE FINAL PLAN THAT I STARTED TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT THAT MICHAEL, UH, WENT BACK AND FORTH ON AGAIN.
WE GOT THE STAFF REPORT, WE REVIEWED THE CONDITIONS.
I I TELL PEOPLE THIS ALL THE TIME.
MY APPROACH TO THIS, UH, BUSINESS IS OUT REASONABLE.
EVERYONE, IF YOU CAN DO, IF SOMEONE ASKS YOU TO DO SOMETHING, DO IT RIGHT.
IF YOU CAN'T COME BACK AND EXPLAIN IN CLEAR AND PRESENT TERMS WHY YOU CAN'T.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE TRIED TO DO HERE.
WE WENT THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT SEEMS REASONABLE.
CAN WE DO THAT? OKAY, WE CAN DO IT.
CAN WE DO THAT? WELL, WE CAN'T, BUT WE CAN GET CLOSER TO IT.
AGAIN, THE STAFF ASKED FOR 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE COULDN'T GET ALL THE WAY THERE, BUT WE GOT UP MORE.
WE GOT UP TO A MINIMUM OF 24,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, AND SO THAT IS, UH, WHY WE GOT TO THIS PLAN AND HOW WE GOT TO THIS PLAN.
AGAIN, THIS DENSITY GOING FROM NINE LOTS TO FIVE IS 1.09 UNITS BREAKER.
UH, MICHAEL ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE PLANTED OR LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE NORTH AND SIDE, UH, WHICH WILL BE PLANTED TO BUFFER STANDARDS.
IT'S SOMETHING WE, UH, STAFF ASKED ABOUT.
WE OFFERED TO DO IT AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO SO.
WE HAVE A SIMILAR 10 FOOT BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UH, WE ADDED A, A, UH, SIX FOOT LANDSCAPE PLANTER ON MAYFIELD ROAD.
IN RESPONSE TO THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF PROPOSED, WE ELIMINATED THE NEED FOR A SIDE YARD SETBACK.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THREE VARIANCES ORIGINALLY, AGAIN, I MENTIONED WE WENT FROM THREE TO TWO.
WHEN WE CHANGED FROM PLAN ONE TO PLAN TWO.
WITH PLAN THREE, WE WENT TO THREE TO ONE.
THE ONLY VARIANCE WE NEED TONIGHT RELATES TO THE ROADWAY WIDTH WITH, AGAIN, WHICH AGAIN, UH, MIRRORS WHAT WAS HAPPENING ACROSS THE STREET AT, UH, MAYFIELD ESTATE, WHICH THIS CITY APPROVED, AND WHICH STAFF HAS INDICATED THAT IT SUPPORTS TONIGHT.
LEMME SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MAYFIELD ESTATES.
UH, AND AGAIN, WE ARE HERE SEEKING R 22 ZONING RIGHT HERE IS MARIGOLD AT MAYFIELD BEING DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW AT R 15.
AND AGAIN, WE LOOKED TO THAT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT WAS RECENTLY REZONED AND APPROVED AND WE MIRRORED IT IN EVERY SINGLE WAY WE COULD.
AND HERE IS A COPY OF THE ZONING SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED.
UH, AGAIN, THERE ARE, WE'RE ULTIMATELY ON THIS ADAM CHAIR.
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CONTINUE.SO AGAIN, UH, WHAT, WHAT ULTIMATELY WHAT IS, IS BEING HAS BEEN DEVELOPED ON THAT PROPERTY IS FIVE LOTS.
AT 25,000 SQUARE FEET, WE'RE ASKING FOR FIVE AT 24,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, YOU SAW A FLASH OF THE HOUSE IMAGES.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS QUALITY CONSTRUCTION OF THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
UH, I THINK THESE IMAGES REFLECT THAT.
UH, I'VE GOT A COPY OF THE CONDITIONS HERE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO READ.
UH, I HAVE SOME HANDOUTS IF YOU WANT PAPER COPIES.
BUT AGAIN, WE AGREE TO EVERY SINGLE CONDITION.
BUT TWO, AND WE'RE NOT WHOLLY ARE ASKING TO WHOLESALE REJECT THOSE.
WE'RE JUST ASKING TO MODIFY THOSE.
I'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CONDITION NUMBER TWO, WHERE STAFF, UH, ASKED THAT WE, UH, INCREASE THE MINIMUM WAT SIZE TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE LOOKED AT IT, WE DID OUR BEST TO MEET THAT NUMBER.
WE COULDN'T GET ALL THE WAY THERE, BUT WE GOT UP ABOUT 10%, UH, FROM WHERE WE WERE WHEN THE STAFF GENERATED THAT REPORT.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE 25,000 SQUARE FEET LOTS ACROSS THE STREET AT MAYFIELD ESTATES.
IT'S CERTAINLY SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THE HOMES BEING BUILT TWO LOTS AWAY AT 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO WE BELIEVE IT IS COMPATIBLE AND REASONABLE, UH, UH, TO MAKE THAT REQUEST.
AND THAT IS THE FIRST CONDITION WE ASKED TO ALTER.
THE SECOND IS, IS, UH, CONDITION NUMBER 13 THAT RELATES TO THE TREE SAVE.
AGAIN, AT THE TIME, UH, MR. SCHACK DRAFTED THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT HE NEEDED.
WE WORKED HARD TO GET IT TO HIM AND WE KNOW OR HAVE A BETTER SENSE FOR WHAT WE CAN SAVE AND WHAT WE CAN, RIGHT.
HE WAS ONLY FOCUSING ON ONE LOT.
THE VERY FIRST LOT AS YOU COME TO THE DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS LOT ONE, THERE WERE FOUR SPECIMENS ON THAT SITE.
WE CAN SAVE ONE, BUT WE FOUND OTHER AREAS ON THE PROPERTY WHERE WE CAN SAVE GROUPINGS OF TREES.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THOSE AREAS HERE, HERE.
UH, THIS IS AN OAK TREE THAT EXISTS NOW THAT WILL BE SAVED.
AND THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT TREES ALONG THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY THAT WE SAVED AS WELL.
SO, UH, THAT IS WHY WE'RE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE A FOLLOW-UP CONDITION THAT SAYS WE WILL IDENTIFY AND SAVE ADDITIONAL TREE GROUPINGS AND OR TREES OF GOOD QUALITY AS APPROVED BY STAFF, WE RECOGNIZE THAT TREES ARE IMPORTANT.
THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE ENVIRONMENT IS ALL IMPORTANT.
TREES ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT, AND WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO SAY WHAT WE CAN AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY ON THAT ISSUE AS WE GO THROUGH THE, UH, PERMITTING PROCESS.
I THINK I'M GONNA STOP HERE BECAUSE, UH, I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I GUESS I JUST WANNA REITERATE, IT SEEMED A LITTLE DISJOINTED TONIGHT BECAUSE WE WERE KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT PLANS.
WE WERE NOT TRYING TO CONFUSE THINGS.
WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND, AND, YOU KNOW, RESPOND TO THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED AS WELL AS WE COULD.
AND ULTIMATELY BY GOING FROM NINE LOTS TO SIX TO FIVE, INCREASING THE LOT SIZE FROM 15,000 SQUARE FEET TO 24,000 SQUARE FEET AND, AND, AND, AND, AND DOING SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS, WE WERE TRYING TO STRIKE THE RIGHT BALANCE.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE HEARD THE CLOSE, THE SMALLEST LOT NEXT TO US IS, IS, UH, 30,000 SQUARE FEET THERE, OTHER LOTS THAT ARE AN ACRE.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MAYFIELD, YOU'VE GOT SOME AG ONE LOTS, WHICH COULD BE UP TO FIVE, UH, ACRES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TWO LOTS AWAY, THEY'RE BUILDING 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS OR TWO ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY BUILT 25,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
SO WE WERE TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE FOR WHAT'S IN THE AREA.
UH, AND WE ALSO WANTED TO SORT OF MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE PROPOSED WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
AND I, I THINK WE HAVE DONE THAT.
I KNOW WE HAVE SOME OPPOSITION TONIGHT.
UH, WE'VE TRIED TO ENGAGE WITH THEM, UH, AND THERE HAS BEEN NO INTEREST AT ALL IN THAT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE BEEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE, UH, AND GUIDING OUR OWN SUPPORTERS.
AND WE HAVE SUBMITTED 23 LETTERS TO YOU.
SO OUR REQUEST IS FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE STAFF CONDITIONS WITH THE TWO CHANGES THAT I MENTIONED TO CONDITIONS TWO AND 13.
THEN, UM, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR A COMMENT AND QUESTIONS.
I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
OOH, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT TREE SAVE SLIDE PLEASE.
NOW THIS IS HARD TO READ, ESPECIALLY EVEN WITH MY READERS ON, BUT AGREED IN THE TABLE, I DON'T SEE IDENTIFICATION OF WHICH TREES ARE GONNA BE SAVED AND WHICH TREES AREN'T.
SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE PLANT ITSELF, YOU'LL SEE THESE XS THOSE INDICATES, THOSE XS INDICATE THE TREES THAT'LL BE REMOVED.
I THINK USUALLY YOU PUT THE NUMBER, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YEAH, THE NUMBERS ARE NOT ON THERE.
SO THE TABLE, LET'S JUST START.
THE TABLE DOESN'T IDENTIFY WHAT TREES ARE TO BE SAVED AND WHICH TREES ARE NOT TO BE SAVED.
IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT THAT TABLE, IT'S, THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO READ TOO.
UH, I'M, THIS CAN BE BLOWN UP.
YOU JUST, YOU DID PRESENT IT AS YOUR TREE SAVE PLAN.
WELL, I, I, WHAT I WAS CORRECTING WAS THE, THE STATEMENT THAT WE HAVE NOT SUBMITTED ONE.
WE DID, IT MAY HAVE BEEN AFTER THE STAFF REPORT WAS GENERATED, BUT WE'VE DONE IT AND WE'VE
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IDENTIFIED THE TREES THAT WILL BE REMOVED.I, THESE DO CORRESPOND TO NUMBERS.
JOHN MURDERERS, OUR ENGINEER, I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT OR NOT.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SPECIFIC TREES.
HOW DO THEY CORRESPOND? 'CAUSE I'M NOT MAKING THAT CONNECTION.
AND AS HE'S WALKING UP, IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE ZONES AND NOT THE TABLE, I SEE THE WORD APPROXIMATE THERE.
WHEN WE COME FROM A WORLD THAT SAYS TREE NUMBER 6 92 WILL BE SAVED AND TREE NUMBER 6 93 WILL NOT BE SAVED.
SO HELP ME WITH THE WORD APPROXIMATE AS WELL.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, PRODUCT, WE DON'T HAVE FOOTPRINTS, SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE GRADING'S GONNA BE.
UM, WE DID PROVIDE A TREE PLAN, A TREE SURVEY ON OUR FIRST SUBMITTAL.
UM, IT WAS THE ARBORIST AND THE SURVEYOR GOT NUMBERS CONFUSED.
SO BY THE TIME WE GOT IT IN, IT WASN'T REAL CLEAR.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, UM, COMMENT.
SO ON OUR SUBSEQUENT, UM, SUBMITTALS, WE REDUCED THE TREES FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE SINCE WE KNEW THOSE WERE GONNA BE GONE.
AND WE FOCUSED ON THE ONES ON THE PERIMETER.
AND WE DO IDENTIFY SEVERAL, UM, SPECIMEN TREES AROUND THE SITE THAT WE PLAN TO, UH, SAVE.
UH, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE FINAL FOOTPRINTS.
WE HAVEN'T DONE A GRADING PLAN.
AND THEN JUST, I'M SORRY, JUST ONE MORE, JUST ONE MORE.
DO YOU HAVE A RELATED QUESTION? I DO.
THIS SITE PLANT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I SEE ONE SPECIMEN TREE THAT IS BEING SAVED.
THERE'S ONE AT THE FRONT OF THE HUNDRED.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT WITH THE CIRCLE AROUND IT.
SO THE COMMENT WAS TO SAVE THE FOUR TREES UP ON LOT ONE, BUT I'M SORRY, I HEARD YOU SAY YOU WERE SAVING MORE THAN ONE SPECIMEN TREE.
THERE'S SPECIMEN TREES IN THE REAR OF THE SITE AS WELL THAT WE ARE, UH, INDICATING AS BEING SAVED.
AND SO THEY'RE REPRESENTED IN THE CLOUD WHERE IT SAYS APPROXIMATE TREE SAVED? THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY'RE ALSO, SH THE TREES ARE ALSO SHOWN WITHOUT XS, THE ONES THAT WE PLAN TO SAVE THE ONES WITH XS, WHICH IS WHAT THE CHECKLIST REQUIRES FOR SUBMITTAL.
THE, JUST THE OTHER PART OF MY QUESTION IS COULD YOU PUT UP THE CONDITION, UH, 13 WITH YOUR MARKUPS IN IT? CAN I MAKE THIS BIGGER? OOPS.
SO OBVIOUSLY LOT ONE IS IMPORTANT.
IT FRONTS MAYFIELD, THERE'S TRAFFIC THERE.
YOU WANT THAT TO BE AS BEAUTIFUL AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT? YES.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC REASONS AS TO WHY? SO THE MARK I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
WHY THE MARK THROUGHS ARE THERE FOR TREE NUMBER 2 92 90.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOCATION OF THE FOUR TREES ON LOT ONE, THERE'S ONE IN THE CORNER, UM, UP CLOSE TO MAYFIELD DRIVE THAT'S ON GRADE WITH MAYFIELD.
THE OTHER THREE ARE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY COMES IN.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT GRADES, THEY'RE LOCATED 10 FEET BELOW THE STREET.
SO IF I'M GONNA MEET SITE DISTANCE AND I'M GONNA MEET LANDING REQUIREMENTS THAT GEORGE IS GONNA WANT, THEN I CAN'T SAVE THOSE THREE TREES.
AND I GUESS THOSE, UH, THAT TREE PLAN DOES CORRESPOND TO SOME NUMBERS.
'CAUSE GEORGE, UH, 'CAUSE MR. TACK USED THEM.
WE FOCUSED IN THE ONLY TREES HE ASKED TO SPEC TO SPECIFICALLY SAY BY NUMBER WERE IN LOT FOUR, WHICH IS WHY WE FOCUSED ON THAT LOT TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE COULD AND COULD NOT DO.
QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU REGARDING, UH, THE STREET WIDTH AND PARKING.
YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR COMMENTS THAT, UH, THAT STREET PARKING WOULD BE ALLOWED AND WE JUST HEARD IN CITY'S PRESENTATION THAT IT WOULD NOT, WELL THIS IS NUMBER ONE, A PRIVATE ROAD SERVING FIVE HOMES.
RIGHT? THERE IS ROOM FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IF I'M HAVING A THANKSGIVING PARTY OR A CHRISTMAS PARTY FOR A CAR TO AT LEAST PARK ON ONE SIDE AND LINE IT, IT WOULD NOT BE A REGULAR EVENT.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR ANYONE TO PARK ON THE STREET UNLESS THERE'S AN EVENT.
BUT IT'S THE SAME SITUATION WE ALL DEAL WITH, RIGHT? I MEAN, PARTICULARLY THE OLDER STREETS ARE NARROW IN WIDTH.
YOU KNOW, EITHER THERE'S A SIGN SAYING ONLY PARK ON ONE SIDE, OR YOU HAVE TO MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL.
YOU SEE THAT ALL THE TIME, PARTICULARLY IN TOWN ATLANTA, RIGHT? THOSE STREETS ARE SO NARROW THAT PEOPLE KNOW JUST TO PARK ON ONE SIDE, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH OTHERWISE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRIVATE ROAD, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY REAL REASON TO PARK ON THE STREET WOULD BE DURING A PARTY SCENARIO.
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ON THIS PROPERTY AND ON THE PROPERTIES YOU LIVE IN, YOU DO THE BEST YOU CAN FOR THE NIGHT.I WOULD ADD THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER REASONS, SUCH AS SERVICE TRUCKS FOR VARIOUS, LIKE IF YOU WERE HAVING REPAIRS OR REMODELING DONE OR WHATEVER, UM, THAT IS CERTAINLY AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.
UH, BUT I'D LIKE TO REVISIT WITH THE CITY, UH, EVEN IF IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD, WHAT ARE THE CONSTRAINTS GIVEN THE STREET WIDTH? ARE WE OR ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF VEHICLE PARKED ON THAT ROAD FOR, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY REASONS? SO BASED OFF OF CITY STANDARDS, YOU NEED A TOTAL, ANYTHING LESS THAN 28 FEET FROM BACK OF CURB TO BACK CURB WOULD NOT ALLOW ON STREET PARKING ON EITHER SIDE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, REGARDLESS OF PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ROAD.
WELL, I GUESS THE ONLY THING I'LL, I'LL SAY TO THAT IS AGAIN, MAYFIELD ESTATES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET HAS THE EXACT SAME WIDTH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
I'M NOT AWARE OF A CONDITION THAT SAYS THERE'LL BE NO PARKING ON THE STREET.
YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY AND ABILITY TO ADD IT THAT CONDITION TONIGHT, AND HE WOULD ACCEPT IT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? YOU NEED, WE'LL, YOU'LL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO COME BACK AND I WILL THANK YOU.
CHRIS
SO WE GO FROM A STARTING POINT OF NINE TO FOUR.
AND AT THAT POINT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, JUST TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR, WE'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT FIVE HOMES ON FIVE ACRES.
REDUCING OF LOAD THAT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY INCREASE THE DENSITY.
SO IT WOULD DROP FROM NINE TO SIX TO FIVE DOWN FOUR.
AND THEN A QUESTION THAT I THINK WAS POSED EARLIER THAT I WANTED TO, IS THERE A DEVELOPER THAT'S IN MIND? LIKE IS THERE OH YEAH.
SO, UH, MAYFIELD HAS THE CAPACITY TO DEVELOP THE SITE ON ITS OWN, BUT THEY ARE TALKING TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT HOME BUILDERS TO JV WITH, THESE ARE ACTUALLY SOME NAMES YOU WOULD KNOW.
I CAN'T REVEAL THEM, BUT I'VE HEARD THEM AND THEY'RE NAMES.
I KNOW THEY'RE FOLKS WHO, WHO'VE DEVELOPED REALLY ON A, A, A IMPRESSIVE SCALE UP HERE.
BUT AGAIN, GIVEN THE TYPES OF HOMEWORK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE QUALITY LEVELS THAT HAVE TO BE MET TO MEET THE STANDARD THAT IS BEING SET FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE TYPES OF FOLKS WE'RE TALKING TO MEET THAT, THAT ARE AT THAT LEVEL.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP IN FAVOR.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYONE, ANYBODY IN FAVOR WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
THE FIRST PERSON IN OPPOSITION IS GIBBS FRAZIER.
PLEASE, WHILE HE'S COMING UP, I WANNA COME ON UP.
I REMIND YOU TO PLEASE SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS CLEARLY, AND PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANNA SPEAK TONIGHT.
JUST, UH, KEEP IN MIND, UH, MY NAME IS GIBBS FRAZIER.
I LIVE AT 1355, UH, BETHANY COURT IN ALPHARETTA.
I'M ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SITE.
WE HAVE SPENT DOZENS OF HOURS, DOZENS OF HOURS.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I FIND IT APPALLING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'VE SPENT TRYING TO BRING TO, TO YOU THE INFORMATION THAT WE WANT TO CRITICAL INFORMATION.
AND YET THEY STILL DO NOT HAVE CRITICAL INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO US.
AND I'VE ACTUALLY HAD ON THE FLY RIGHT NOW, TONIGHT HAD TO CHANGE SOME OF WHAT I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU BECAUSE I BASED MY PRESENTATION ON WHAT WE THOUGHT AND THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR, THEIR THING THREE TIMES.
SO IT'S LIKE KNEELING JELLO TO THE TREE.
AND I SAY THAT WITH A SMILE ON MY FACE.
UH, LET ME, LET ME GET MY, UH, COMPUTER LOGGED IN HERE.
I WANNA SAY THAT WITH ALL RESPECT.
AND, UH, THAT'S NOT ALL TO SOME OF US, BUT I STILL HAVE, THAT'S NOT ALL TO SOME OF US.
THANK YOU FOR THE GRACIOUS RESPONSE.
OKAY, SO YOU ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, THIS REPRESENTS, LIKE I SAID, DOZENS OF HOURS, MY WIFE AND I AND YOU THINK, HOW CAN THIS SMALL AMOUNT REPRESENT DOZENS OF HOURS? BUT IT DOES, BECAUSE WE'VE EDITED AND RE-EDITED REMOVED STUFF.
AS THE INFORMATION FROM THE DEVELOPERS CHANGED, WE THOUGHT, OH, WE DON'T WANT TO BE FOOLS AND SHOW UP WITH THIS INFORMATION YET TONIGHT.
AGAIN, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW IS CONTRARY TO SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY
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PREVIOUSLY SET.SO THEY'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT AND NO, WE DID NOT SHARE A LOT OF INFORMATION WITH THEM BECAUSE RIGHT FROM THE GET GO WHEN WE SHOWED UP AT THE PUBLIC MEETING, SOMETHING ELSE WAS ALREADY DIFFERENT.
SO WHAT I WANNA SAY IS THIS, UH, I'M GONNA READ THE OPENING PARAGRAPH HERE AND THEN THE SECONDARY PARAGRAPH THAT'S LISTED UNDER NUMBER ONE, AND I'LL GO RIGHT TO THE BACK PAGE.
BUT, UH, OUR PROPERTY ORDERS A PROPOSED, UH, DEVELOPMENT SITE.
AND WHILE WE SUPPORT THE THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY, WE STRONGLY URGE THAT THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA DENY MULTI-HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY.
THIS LONG, NARROW PROPERTY IS A RICH BIODIVERSE HOME TO MULTIPLE SPECIES OF WILDLIFE AND SPECIMEN TREES, WHICH IS OFFERED A PRIVATE AND TRANQUIL SETTING FOR ALL ADJACENT FAMILIES.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1998.
AND YOU KNOW, I HEARD THE THE OPERATIVE WORD TREE CANOPY, TREE CANOPY, TREE CANOPY.
AND WHY DO I LOVE THE WORD? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT ORIGINALLY ATTRACTED US TO THE PROPERTY, THE TREE CANOPY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, IS ON THE AREA OF CONCERN IS NUMBER ONE HERE, AND THAT'S THE PROPERTY EXPERIENCES REGULAR FLOODING DURING HEAVY RAINS.
AND THIS RESULTS IN LARGE SCALE PONDING AND THE FORMATION OF AN INTENSE RUNOFF CREEK.
YOU WON'T KNOW THIS UNLESS YOU LIVE NEXT TO IT AND KNOW IT DIDN'T HAPPEN LAST TWO DAYS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A DROUGHT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON.
AND SO THE ABSORPTION, ABIL ABSOR ABILITY OF THE LAND IS AT ITS BEST RIGHT NOW.
BUT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU VIDEO RIGHT NOW.
THIS WAS RECORDED TWO YEARS AGO.
I DIDN'T RECORD IT IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING.
I JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE IT BECAUSE IT WAS FLOODING SO MUCH.
NOW THAT'S LOOKING, I'M, I'M GONNA RECYCLE THIS AGAIN, BUT THIS IS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE IN OUR, FROM OUR PROPERTY.
I'M REACHING OVER WITH MY CELL PHONE, I'M REACHING OVER WITH MY CELL PHONE AND RECORDING THIS.
AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE, THAT'S MY HOUSE.
SO MY HOUSE IS, OUR HOUSE IS RIGHT UP HERE IN THE, IT WON'T REALIZE POINT WON'T SHOW ON THE SCREEN, BUT IT'S IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER.
THIS IS AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT COMES THROUGH.
IT MOVES LANDSCAPE TIMBER OUT OF THE WAY FOR THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
SHE'S OLDER THAN ME, SHE'S IN HER EIGHTIES, AND SHE HAS TO DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
IT'S BEEN FOUR MINUTES, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW HOW, HOW MUCH? FOUR.
SO I FEEL LIKE I'M IN A RUSH HERE, GUYS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY SOMETHING'S SO CRITICAL.
COULDN'T BE GRACEFULLY ALLOWED TO BE EXTENDED JUST A WEE BIT.
I THINK EVERYBODY DEEMS IT IMPORTANT.
AND SO IS EVERYBODY ELSE'S, SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, AND, AND I AGREE WITH BOTH OF THOSE STATEMENTS.
YEAH, WELL, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA COOPERATE WITH ME.
SO YOU DID THE EXISTING WATER RUNOFF ISSUES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE SAW IN THE VIDEO.
SO YEAH, IF YOU SLIP OVER TO IN THE EVENT THE DEVELOPMENT OCCURS.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT BRIEFLY BEFORE YEAH, YEAH, JUST BRIEFLY.
SO UP ON THE TOP IS, UH, IN OUR A PLAN VIEW AND OUR PROPERTY IS SITUATED ASYMMETRICALLY ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, WE'RE AT A DISADVANTAGE IN THIS SITUATION, AND THAT MEANS THAT OUR NEAREST CORNER OF THE HOME IS, BUT ONLY 25 FEET FROM, AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, AND THANKFULLY Y'ALL HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER ON THIS, IS AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER.
AND WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR THE FULL PERIMETER, A SOUND BUFFER EARTHEN, JUST LIKE THEY'VE DONE AT MAYFIELD ESTATE.
AND WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR A PRIVACY FENCE TO BE BUILT ON THAT, BECAUSE NOW WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEVER HAD TO LOOK AT BEFORE.
AND SO IT'S ALL SELF-EXPLANATORY.
I WON'T EAT UP ANYBODY ELSE'S TIME.
I, I THANK YOU FOR PUTTING UP WITH ME AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HECTIC NATURE OF THIS, UH, IT'S SOMEWHAT HANDICAPPING, BUT THANK YOU AGAIN.
DID YOU, UH, PROVIDE THIS TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL? DID, I'M SORRY? DID THEY HAVE A COPY OF THIS?
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NO.COULD YOU, COULD YOU PROVIDE THE APPLICANT A COPY OF THIS? NO, MA'AM.
BECAUSE WE JUST NOW PRODUCED THIS TODAY.
DO YOU HAVE AN EXTRA COPY YOU COULD GIVE 'EM? OH YEAH, I CAN GIVE 'EM TO 'EM RIGHT NOW.
ALL RIGHT, MS. TAYLOR, WILLIAM LAWLER, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
SORRY FOR, SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING.
PLEASE PRESS THE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT BUTTON IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE.
HOW ABOUT THAT? IS THAT WORKING? GREAT.
GOOD EVENING, ALPHARETTA COUNSEL, DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS AND RESIDENTS.
UH, MY NAME IS WILLIAM LAWLER.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING WITH MY MOTHER, BELINDA LAWLER.
SHE, UH, POSTPONED HER KIDNEY SURGERY THIS EVENING, UH, SO THAT SHE COULD BE HERE WITH US AND HEAR ALL THE INFORMATION FIRSTHAND.
UH, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION SINCE THE GET GO ON THIS HAS CHANGED OR BEEN FLUID WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE.
UH, I FIRST HEARD THAT THE PROPERTY WAS BEING SOLD IN DECEMBER OF 2025 WHEN I NOTICED PEOPLE WALKING ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY, UH, SURVEYING THE TREES.
AND I CALLED THE PREVIOUS OWNER AND SAID, WHAT GIVES, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND THAT'S WHEN I WAS TOLD THAT, UH, EVEN THOUGH THAT WE HAD BEEN MAINTAINING SOME OF THE PROPERTY LINE THAT WE SHARED WITH HER AND HAD PAID FOR, UH, MAINTENANCE OF TREES THAT HAD BEEN BROKEN AND FALLEN ONTO OUR STRUCTURES AND OUR PROPERTY, THAT WE WERE NOT EVEN GIVEN THE RIGHT OR FIRST REFUSAL ON THE DEAL, UM, THAT A DEAL HAD BEEN DONE.
IT WOULD NOT BE DISCLOSED AS TO THE DETAILS OF THE DEAL, BUT THAT JAMIE WONDER WAS PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND INTENDED TO TAKE A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FOR HERSELF AND THEN PUT TWO HOMES THERE.
MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS, WELL, MAYBE THEY HAVE SOME SIBLINGS OR SOMEBODY THEY WANTED TO BRING IN AND, YOU KNOW, CREATE A LITTLE MINI COMMUNITY WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT THEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THEY INTENDED TO PUT NINE HOMES ON THAT PROPERTY, AND I ABOUT HAD A STROKE.
LITERALLY THE AMOUNT OF ANXIETY AND STRESS THAT I HAVE FELT, UH, SINCE WE FOUND OUT THE DIRECTION THEY WANT TO TAKE THIS PROJECT IN, UH, HAS BEEN EXCRUCIATING TONIGHT.
I'M HERE TO BE A VOICE FOR NOT ONLY MY FAMILY AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT REALLY I'M HERE TO BE A VOICE FOR ALL THE LIVING THINGS THAT ARE NOT HERE THIS EVENING AND HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN A CHANCE TO SPEAK ALL THE ANIMALS, ALL THE TREES.
FORGIVE ME, I'M A LITTLE EMOTIONAL.
IT'S JUST VERY, VERY CLOSE TO MY HEART.
I DIDN'T WANNA WASTE EVERYBODY'S TIME THIS EVENING AND TALK ABOUT A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT, UH, HAD ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED.
YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND, UH, HAND.
UM, SO I DON'T WANNA WASTE A BUNCH OF TIME THIS EVENING AND READ THROUGH MY ENTIRE SCRIPT THAT, LIKE MR. FRAZIER, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON.
AND AT EVERY TURN IN THE BEND WE FIND THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR SOMETHING NEW HAS BEEN PROPOSED, OR THEY WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING ELSE.
AND NOW THIS EVENING, I SEE THEY HAVEN'T EVEN DONE THE DUE DILIGENCE OF HAVING A PROPER TREE PLANT SUBMITTED.
AND I'M ANGRY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING PRESSURED INTO HAVING THIS COMMUNITY, UH, FORCED UPON US AND WE'VE BEEN GIVEN VERY LITTLE, UH, VERY LITTLE AMMUNITION TO BE ABLE TO FIGHT BACK.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING FORWARD.
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COMPREHENSIVE.WE MIGHT PUT YOU ON THE NEXT COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE.
MS. TYLER, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER? NO.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? WE SAY I SEE A LOT OF FACES.
I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND LIKE THE APPLICANT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME BACK UP TO BRIEFLY SAY SOME WORDS.
THE APPLICANT SPOKE FOR 13.50 MINUTES.
THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES TO THE PLAN.
THIS HAS BEEN A FLUID PROCESS.
YOU GUYS ARE PART OF THIS AND KNOW THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT WORKS.
I KNOW THE FOLKS BEHIND ME ARE NOT, WE HAVE TRIED TO ENGAGE WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
WE LITERALLY HAVE ASKED TO MEET WITH THEM.
WE'VE ASKED FOR A LIST OF THEIR ISSUES.
I'M INTERESTED TO SEE THE, THE PAPERWORK YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
BUT AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO IMPROVE THIS PLAN.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO LESSEN THE IMPACT.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO BRING IT INTO MORE COMPATIBILITY WITH WHAT'S IN THE AREA.
I HOPE YOU ARE SENSING THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE THE OFFER AGAIN.
I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THIS APPLICATION FOR 30 DAYS.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR THERE TO BE, FOR THIS TO FEEL UNSETTLED.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR THERE TO BE CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
UH, WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER EVERY QUESTION.
WE ARE HERE TO RESPOND TO EVERY ISSUE TO THE BEST WE CAN.
WE'VE BEEN SORT OF WORKING WITH STAFF AND, AND DEALING WITH THEIR CONDITIONS.
BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THESE FOLKS AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS AND AT LEAST RELIEVE THE ANXIETY.
AGAIN, NINE LOTS TO FIVE 15,000 SQUARE FEET TO 24,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE BEEN MAKING HAVE BEEN BRINGING THIS CLOSER IN LINE TO WHAT IS BEING BUILT OUT IN THAT AREA NOW.
SO I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS IF THEY'RE WILLING TO HAVE THEM WITH US.
AND SO MY REQUEST NOW TO TRY AND AVOID CONFUSION TO TRY AND RELIEVE ANXIETY IS FOR A 30 DAY DEFERRAL.
SO THAT THESE ISSUES CAN BE SETTLED.
WE CAN SIT DOWN, WE CAN TALK IF THEY'RE WILLING TO DO IT, OR AT LEAST GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH THIS APPLICATION.
'CAUSE CLEARLY, UH, UH, THERE'S A, A, A DISCONNECTION THERE.
LET ME, UM, MICHAEL, CAN YOU COME FORWARD A MINUTE? WOULD THE, WOULD THE STAFF BE OKAY WITH US DEFERRING THIS FOR 30? AND THEN WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE TIMELINE BE? IS IT POSSIBLE TO DEFER IT? YEAH, WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE JUNE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION SCHEDULE.
I KNOW IT'S PRETTY FALL, JUNE 4TH.
SO WE DO EXPECT, UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS TO BE MOVED FROM JUNE.
SO WE WOULD JUST HAVE, UM, THREE ITEMS. IT'S POSSIBLE.
ONE OTHER COULD POTENTIALLY, THE AD WENT IN TODAY SO THAT THE AD YEAH.
BUT WE, WE WOULD HAVE SUFFICIENT ROOM TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE WE HAVE CONDUCTED A PUBLIC HEARING HERE THIS EVENING.
IT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE THE FULL, UH, PRESENTATION, WE COULD JUST PROVIDE UPDATES ON WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE.
YEAH, WE COULD ACCOMMODATE JUNE 4TH.
THEN I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST, AND I WOULD OPEN THIS UP FOR COMMENT FROM ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THAT WE, IF WE DO DEFER THIS, UM, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE YOU WORK FURTHER, AND I APPRECIATE YOU WILLING TO LOWER THE ANXIETY OF EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO COOPERATE AS, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY AND, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS.
YOU KNOW, WATER RUNOFF IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST TOPICS WE HAVE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH OUR COMMUNITY.
SO IF YOU COULD A ADDRESS SOME OF THAT WITH THEM, UM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND ALSO, UM, THE TREE SAVE, IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR FOR US, BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T LIKE TO LIVE IN CLOUDS.
WE WE'RE VERY SPECIFIC, UM, WITH OUR PLAN AND OUR APPLICATIONS, AND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THE, THE, I ACTUALLY WANTED TO MAKE A POINT ON, UH, THE WATER RUNOFF.
I'VE HAD TO LIVE WITH THAT MYSELF.
THERE'S NO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT ON THE SITE AT ALL RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE, AS YOU HEARD, PROVIDING UNDERGROUND DETENTION AND, AND WE ARE REQUIRED TO DETAIN 110% OF PRE-DEVELOPMENT FLOW.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY OVER DETAINING OVER WHAT, YOU KNOW, GOD IS PROVIDING TODAY.
AND SO IT WILL ACTUALLY MAKE THE CURRENT SITUATION BETTER.
WE'LL, WE'LL, I'M GONNA TAP JOHN TO BE AT THAT MEETING, UH, AND WE WILL ADDRESS THAT IN DETAIL.
THAT SITUATION, TO THE EXTENT IT'S A PROBLEM TODAY, WILL BE CERTAINLY IMPROVED BY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON, UH, THE CHAIR LADY'S COMMENTS, UM,
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I TOO THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO COLLABORATE MORE WITH THE CITY STAFF AS WELL.AND, UM, I WOULD GIVE SERIOUS THOUGHT, UH, TO AN ACTUAL TREE SAVE PLAN THAT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT THE CITY HAS.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE THERE YET.
UM, I ALSO THINK COLLABORATING WITH THE STAFF MORE ON THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE ISSUE IS IMPORTANT.
UM, YOUR VARIANCE REQUESTS ARE VERY REASONABLE.
THE STREET WIDTH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THE SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
UH, BUT REALLY THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND THE LACK OF A REAL TREE SAFE PLAN.
AND WITH THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY, I MEAN, IT'S VERY COMMON FOR US UP HERE ON, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, HEARING SUCH AS THIS, TO HEAR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY COME UP, THE FUTURE NEIGHBORS OF A DEVELOPER AND SAY, BOY, WE COULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR MORE.
THEY WORKED WITH US FROM BEGINNING TO MIDDLE TO END.
IF THERE WERE CHANGES, WE HEARD ABOUT THOSE.
UH, WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH SOME OF THE, UH, CONCESSIONS THAT THEY'VE MADE BASED ON OUR INPUT.
SO THAT'S VERY COMMON, UH, IN THESE HEARINGS.
AND I THINK WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.
DAN, THE, THE COMMENT SECTION IS OVER.
IT'S DISCUSSION, SO I, I APPRECIATE IT.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, HE'S COMMENTING TO YOU, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSED ON COMMENTS.
ARE WE OPEN TO YES, WE'RE OPEN TO COMMENT AMONGST OURSELVES NOW? I'M SORRY.
I PROBABLY DIDN'T MAKE THAT CLEAR, DENNIS.
OH, DENNIS, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? NO, I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE THE 30 DAYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE COME TOGETHER, COME BACK WITH CLARITY, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE NONE HERE.
UH, NO ISSUE HAS SETTLED COMPLETELY, UH, THAT I CAN THINK OF.
TREE SAVE IS NOT, STORM WATER IS NOT, UH, STREET SIZE IS NOT, LOT SIZE IS NOT, AND WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING IN A LOT OF HYPOTHETICALS.
AND I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO COME BACK WITH A LOT OF CONCISE DETAILS THAT, UH, WE CAN ACT ON.
ANYBODY ELSE? YES TO, ON THAT SAME THING, INSTEAD OF GOING ALL THE OVER EVERYTHING, I DO CONCUR WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THEIR COMMENTS ABOUT TIGHTENING UP A PLAN.
A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT SEEM HANGING, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT IS A TWO WAY STREET.
I FULLY CONCUR THAT YOU AND YOUR GROUP HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, I I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING GREEN SPACE.
YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY HAD $10 MILLION, THEY SHOULD GO BUY THAT FOUR OR FIVE ACRES AND JUST MAKE IT A PARK.
YOU KNOW, UNDER THE NORMAL, UNDER THIS SCENARIO, THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND I HATE SEEING, YOU KNOW, THE TREES CUT DOWN.
BUT THESE PEOPLE ALSO HAVE A RIGHT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY AND, AND MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING THAT IS SEEMINGLY VERY NICE AND COMPATIBLE.
SO THE TWO WAY STREET THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY AND WORK WITH THE, UH, OTHER, UH, HOMEOWNERS IN THE AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF.
AND ESPECIALLY ON THESE MAJOR ISSUES THAT WERE DISCUSSED HERE TONIGHT.
FINAL COMMENT, AT LEAST FOR ME ON THIS, IS, UM, DEFINITELY THIS NEEDS TO BE DEFERRED.
AND A LOT OF, UH, ISSUES NEED TO BE RESOLVED ONCE AND FOR ALL, NOTABLY, AND NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF LOTS TO BE DEVELOPED.
UH, HOW MANY HOUSES ARE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT? IT WAS NINE, THEN IT BECAME FIVE, NOW IT'S MAYBE FOUR.
SO THAT'S GONNA DRIVE AN AWFUL LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER, UH, WITH GREAT ACCURACY.
THOSE DETAILED NUMBERS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO US, AS ARE THE EXACT TREES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TO TAKE OUT, THE EXACT TREES WE'RE DISCUSSING TO RETAIN.
AND THE EXACT AMOUNT OF PLANTING THAT WOULD BE, UH, REQUIRED TO SUPPLANT ANYTHING THAT IS TAKEN OUT.
THE WIDTH OF THE STREET IS A GIVEN.
SO, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE DEFINED, UH, WHETHER THERE'S A CONDITION THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT PARK ON THAT STREET.
AND, UH, WHAT THEN WOULD HOMEOWNERS HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM FOR EXCESS PARKING, FOR PARTIES, FOR SERVICE VEHICLES? ALL OF THE REASONS THAT ONE NEEDS TO PARK NEAR A HOME.
UH, WE ALSO DON'T HAVE RESOLUTION TO ME OF THE STORMWATER ISSUE.
AND LOOKING AT THE TOPOGRAPHY MAP, I SEE THAT THERE'S A GIVEN WHERE THE STORMWATER DETENTION IS, IT'S AT THE BACK OF THE LOT.
THE PRESUPPOSITION THERE IS THAT ALL THE WATER'S GONNA RUN FROM STREET SIDE TO THE BACK.
BUT WE DO SEE EVIDENCE NOW, THANKS TO THE GENTLEMAN'S VIDEO, THAT THE WATER DOES TEND TO RUN AND COLLECT ALONG THE SIDES.
WE MAY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING MORE EXTENSIVE IN THE WAY OF STORM DRAINS OR TRENCHING, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS.
I KNOW, I REALIZE THAT A TRUE STORMWATER PLAN IS NOT REQUIRED UNTIL THE LDB PROCESS,
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BUT I, WE GENERALLY ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS TO COME FORWARD AT THIS STAGE WITH A MORE FULLY DEVELOPED PLAN SO THAT WE HAVE FEWER CONCERNS BEFORE WE OKAY.THIS TO GO TO THE LDP PROCESS.
SO TO THAT END, I WOULD SUPPORT DEFERRING AND ENCOURAGE THAT ALL OF THESE ISSUES BE ADEQUATELY RESOLVED BEFORE IT COMES FORWARD.
YOU ALL HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OF CAPTURING MY SENTIMENT, SO THANK YOU.
EVERYTHING WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL, THANK YOU PUBLIC AS WELL FOR CHUMMING IN.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER, UH, DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES, I'M GONNA OPEN THE FLOOR FOR A MOTION.
MADAM CHAIR LADY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER Z DASH 26 DASH ZERO FOUR SLASH V DASH 26 DASH 0 6 14 25 MAYFIELD ROAD.
TO THE WOULD MICHAEL, KATHY, WOULD YOU HELP ME TO OUR NEXT TO THE JUNE, JUNE, JUNE 4TH MEETING? CORRECT.
I ALREADY HAVE THAT, THAT IS MY MOTION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ALL OPPOSED, THE MOTION IS APPROVED.
WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH WITH A REALLY TIDY PLAN.
IS EVERYBODY GOOD? DO WE WANNA CONTINUE ON? YES, DENNIS, LET'S GO.
ALL RIGHT, DENNIS, WE'RE GONNA KEEP ROCKING HERE.
OUR NEXT, UM, ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS, PICKLEBALL COURTS, AND I THINK MS. COOK IS PRESENTING THOSE TONIGHT.
SO THE, THE NEXT ITEM BEFORE YOU STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 1.4 DEFINITIONS, UH, TO ADD DEFINITIONS IN SECTION 2.7, MISCELLANEOUS REGULATIONS TO ADD REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO CITING REQUIREMENTS AND DESIGN STANDARDS FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS.
THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE INTENDED TO BALANCE THE DEMAND FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS, NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS, AS WELL AS THE LEGAL RISK.
AND WITH THE GROWING POPULARITY OF PICKLEBALL, UH, THE CITY'S EXPERIENCED AN UPTICK OF QUESTIONS, COMPLAINTS OVER NOISE RELATED, UH, TO PICKLEBALL COURTS.
WE HAD, UM, TWO DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY DO HAVE HOAS, BUT THEY WERE, UH, GLEN, ABBEY AND CLAREMONT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT HAD TENNIS COURTS THAT WERE CONVERTED TO PICKLEBALL COURTS RESULTING IN, UH, NUMEROUS NOISE COMPLAINTS TO THE CITY.
CURRENTLY, THE UDC ALLOWS CLUBHOUSE SWIMMING POOL OR COMMUNITY RECREATION FACILITIES SERVING A SUBDIVISION AS AN ACCESSORY USE IN ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND THE UDC DOES NOT DISTINGUISH AMONG THE TYPES OF SPORTS COURTS PERMITTED UNDER COMMUNITY RECREATION AREAS.
SO BASICALLY, IF IT SAYS COMMON AREA, THERE'S A TENNIS COURT, IT CAN BE USED WITHIN OUR CODE, UM, AND CONVERTED AND USED FOR, FOR PICKLEBALL.
SO WE DID SOME RESEARCH BECAUSE WE, WE HAD THE, THE OUTREACH, UM, WHICH STARTED, UH, LAST YEAR.
WE LOOKED AT THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION, WHAT THEY RECOMMEND, UH, ZONING PRACTICE, UH, MANAGING PICKLEBALL, NOISE THROUGH ZONING.
WE ALSO ATTENDED SOME DIFFERENT SEMINARS.
DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ALSO TO LOOK AT SURROUNDING CITIES.
DID NOT FIND THAT THEY HAD ANY REGULATIONS IN PLACE WITHIN THE SURROUNDING CITIES, BUT WE DID LOOK ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THE, AND THE GROUPS THAT WE WORKED WITH THAT HAD GIVEN US, UM, TONS OF INFORMATION, REALLY GREAT INFORMATION, AND TOLD US WHERE WE COULD FIND THAT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS, AS OTHER STATES.
SO WE FELT LIKE WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH, AND WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE A GOOD RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO YOU THIS EVENING.
AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THEY DO, UM, IT'S RECOMMENDED A THREE-TIERED PERMITTING STRUCTURE, A PROHIBITED ZONE, A CONDITIONAL ZONE, AND A BY RIGHT ZONE.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHAT YOU'LL, WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS THAT YOU SET UP THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THERE'S A PROHIBITED ZONE AT THE, AT THE BEGINNING WE PUT DEFINITIONS, UM, WHERE THIS APPLIES, BASICALLY, THE APPLICATION WOULD NOT, IT WOULD BE FOR NEW, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF PICKLEBALL OR CONVERTED PICKLEBALL.
SO THIS WOULD NOT GO BACK AND RETROFIT TO SOMETHING THAT EXISTS.
WE KNOW WE DO HAVE PICKLEBALL COURTS
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THAT EXIST.AND JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CHANGE WE MAKE WITHIN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT WOULD BE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW CONVERSIONS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE, THE SITING REQUIREMENTS.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT IT'S PROHIBITED, THAT A PICKLEBALL COURT IS PROHIBITED UP TO 350 FEET FROM A DWELLING.
AND WE DID SOME RESEARCH AND, AND THERE'S SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT IT WOULD BE REDUCED TO 250 FEET.
WE SAW RESEARCH BOTH WAYS, AND WE WENT WITH THE 350 FEET.
IS THE CONDITIONAL ZONE, UH, GREATER THAN 350 TO 800 FOOT FROM A DWELLING OUTDOOR PICKLE.
BO PICKLEBALL COURTS NOT INCLUDED.
FULLY ENCLOSED COURTS ARE PER PERMITTED ONLY WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO IF THEY'RE FULLY ENCLOSED WITHIN A BUILDING, THEN THIS, THIS WOULDN'T APPLY.
BUT IF THEY ARE WITHIN THE 350 FEET TO 800 FEET, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, BE ABLE TO LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF BOUNDARY, BE ABLE TO ALSO LOOK AT A, A, UH, A ACOUSTICAL ANALYSIS THAT WOULD BE PREPARED BY A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE BUY RIGHT ZONE, WHICH IS GREATER THAN 800 FEET, OR AS I STATED EARLIER, IF THEY'RE WITHIN AN ENCLOSED, UM, BUILDING.
AND THEN THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, OF COURSE, UH, THE TOPOGRAPHIC OR CONTENT CONTEXT CONSIDERATION.
UH, WE WOULD ALSO STILL LOOK TO SEE WHERE IT SLOPES, IF IT'S LOCATED WITHIN A BOWL, WHAT KIND OF, UH, NOISE OUTPUT IT WOULD HAVE.
BECAUSE OF THE TOPO DESIGN STANDARDS, ALL PERMITTED OR CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED COURTS COMPLY WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.
UH, COURT ORIENTATION COURTS SHALL BE ORIENTED WHERE FEASIBLE TO DIRECT THE PREDOMINANT SOUND ENERGY AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UH, TO NOISE BARRIERS IN PLACE WHERE REQUIRED.
AND THEN, UH, THE DEFINITION OF THE BARRIERS OF, OF WHAT THOSE DETAILS LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN THE ENFORCEMENT REGULATIONS, WE ALSO LISTED THE ENFORCEMENT.
AND THEN FOR VARIANCES, NO VARIANCES SHALL BE GRANTED TO ALLOW OUTDOOR COURTS WITHIN THE PROHIBITED ZONE, WHICH IS LESS THAN 350 FEET.
AND WE HAD SOME OTHER, WE HAD SOME OTHER COMMENTS.
WE HAD COMMENTS WHETHER WE WOULD ADDRESS OUR NOISE ORDINANCE.
THIS IS NOT A CHANGE TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
UH, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE LOOKS AT, AT LAND USE REGULATIONS, DISTANCE.
THERE, THERE ARE NO CONSIDERATIONS OF, UM, SPECIFIC NOISE.
DBA WITHIN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE ARE ALSO NOT, UM, RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES TO EQUIPMENT.
THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH WE DID THAT RECOMMENDS THAT YOU USE THE SOFT PADDLES, BUT WE DON'T PUT THINGS IN THE CODE THAT WE CAN'T REGULATE.
WE KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR CODE OF FORCE WOULD NOT, WOULD NOT BE, BE ABLE TO REGULATE.
UH, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE UP TO, UM, HOA OR IN INDIVIDUALS TO REGULATE.
SO THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A VERY HOT TOPIC AS PICKLEBALL HAS REALLY PICKED UP AS POPULARITY IN THE, IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, ME BEING ONE OF 'EM.
AND, UM, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF THIS.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
UH, FELLOW PICKLEBALL PLAYER AS WELL.
AND, AND, UM, AND I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY WHERE THEY HAVE CONVERTED.
THEY'VE MADE A, THEY'VE MADE TENNIS COURTS, FLEX COURTS, SO THEIR TENNIS OR THEIR PICKLE, DEPENDING ON, UM, THE USERS.
SO MY, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT UNDER APPLICABILITY.
UM, NUMBER B ONE, IT SAYS, INCLUDING NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE CONVERSION OF EXISTING SPORTS COURTS.
SO CONVERSION IS, IS REALLY WHAT MY QUESTION IS, KATHY, BECAUSE YOU CAN STRIPE A TENNIS COURT AND IT CAN BE BOTH TENNIS AND PICKLE.
UM, DOES THE CON, DOES THAT CONS, DOES THAT CONSTITUTE CONVERSION? WHEN I WOULD SAY THE NEW CONVERSION.
SO IF YOU WANNA MAKE A, A CHANGE, SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN EXISTING AND IT'S BEEN HAPPENING WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS WOULD BE THE NEW CONVERSION OF EXISTING SPORTS COURTS.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING WITHIN AN HOA, THEY'RE ALREADY GOING BACK AND FORTH AND CONVERTING AND WITHIN OUR CODE.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT HASN'T HAPPENED WITHIN SIX MONTHS, THEN THAT GRANDFATHERED STATUS WOULD REVERT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE'S ASKING.
WELL, LET ME, ARE YOU ASKING, LET REPHRASE IT, ASKING.
BECAUSE MAYBE I'M NOT ASKING IT IN, IN A CLEAR WAY.
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SO LET'S, HYPOTHETICALLY THE REGULATIONS GET PASSED AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE BOOKS FOR THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA.AND A COMMUNITY THAT HAS HAD, HAS TENNIS COURTS AFTER THIS IS PASSED, DECIDES TO TAKE ONE OF THOSE COURTS AND STRIPE IT SO THAT IT CAN BE A FLEX COURT, IT CAN BE PICKLE OR IT CAN BE TENNIS.
DOES, DOES THAT CON CONSTITUTE A CONVERSION? YEAH.
SO IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY, LIKE IF YOU HAVE AN HOA THAT RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE TENNIS COURTS AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE USING IT FOR PICKLEBALL, SOMETIMES THEY'RE USING IT FOR TENNIS THAT CONTINUES AFTER THIS IS PASSED.
IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING TENNIS COURT AND THEY GO OUT THERE AND STRIPE IT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY DID PRIOR TO ADOPTION, THEN THAT IS CONSIDERED NEW CONVERSION.
SO THAT, THAT QUALIFIES AS A CONVERSION? YES.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A PERMANENT PICKLE, IT'S A FLEX COURT.
IF IT'S USED IN ANY WAY AFTER, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A NEW USE OF A TENNIS COURT, AND EVEN IF IT'S PART-TIME, THIS TAKES EFFECT.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU WANNA MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR.
SO YOU COULD SAY, AND THE NEW CONVERSION, OR WE CAN ASK, I MEAN, WE CAN ASK OUR ATTORNEY OR IT, IT COULD SAY, AND THE CONVERSION AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THIS ORDINANCE, AND I GET, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE YEAH, YEAH.
AND THE CONVERSION AFTER, 'CAUSE I SEE IT'S, IT KINDA READS.
AM I, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT NEEDS CLARIFICATION.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS IN REGARDS TO, UH, DEFINITIONS, C ONE, UM, PICKLE AND ACTIVITY WHERE PARTICIPANTS UTILIZE A RACKET OR PEDAL TO STRIKE A VOLLEY AND VOLLEY A HOLLOW PLASTIC BALL OVER A NET ATTACHED TO A PICKLEBALL COURT.
UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE, AGAIN, ALONG THE FLEX COURT ENVIRONMENT, YOU, THESE ARE NOT ATTACHED NETS.
THEY ARE BASICALLY PORTABLE NETS MOVABLE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY GET ROLLED, ROLLED ONTO THE COURT FOR PICKLE.
THEY GET ROLLED OFF FOR WHEN THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR PICKLES.
SO, SO WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO SAY ATTACH SLASH OR UNATTACHED.
YEAH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS.
YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEBODY'S ALREADY BEEN USING THOSE AND CONVERTING, UM, THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, THE HOA HAS PUT IN PLACE, THIS IS, THIS IS FOR NEW CONVERSIONS.
AND, AND IN THE PICKLEBALL WORLD, UNATTACHED NETS ARE VERY COMMON.
AND CLARIFIERS, UM, I HAD ONE, TWO, UH, Y'ALL LEANED INTO THREE 50.
IF TWO 50 WAS ALSO DISCUSSED, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO REIGN IT INTO TWO 50? 'CAUSE THEN AT THAT POINT IT'S AT LEAST CONDITIONAL AND YOU'RE NOT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD CERTAINLY, UM, RECOMMEND AND, AND WE DID.
UM, HONESTLY, WE SAW THAT BOTH WAYS.
SOME, SOME OF 'EM HAD A RECOMMENDATION OF, UM, 250 AS THE DISTANCE AND SOME THREE 50.
SO WHEN I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, I WAS JUST, IT LEAVES IT OPEN.
AT LEAST IF, IF SOMEBODY DID COME AND YEAH.
AND, AND VARIATION, WE KNEW THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO REGULATE THE SOFT PADDLES, SO WE WENT WITH THE, THE HIGHER NUMBER.
SO I'M NOT, I I DON'T THINK I'M FOLLOWING THE SUGGESTION.
IT'S YOU, WE WANT TO CHANGE PROHIBITED TO ZERO TO TWO 50.
BECAUSE THEY, THEY SAID THEY SAW DIFFERENT, WE DID TWO 50 OR THREE 50.
AND IF, IF IT'S A SMALLER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A TENNIS COURT THAT'S HAPPENS TO BE CLOSER TO A HOUSE AND PEOPLE WANT IT, I, I WOULD LEAVE IT AT TWO 50.
SO IT'S CONDITIONAL AND IT COULD AT LEAST BE ACCEPTABLE, CONSIDERED IF IT'S THREE 50, IF IT'S LESS, IF IT'S TWO 50 AND WE'RE SAYING THREE 50, THEN IT CAN'T BE CONSIDERED.
IT, IT'S JUST, I GUESS I MISSED THAT.
I THOUGHT THE, I THOUGHT THE CONCLUSION OF THE RESEARCH WAS WHERE THERE ARE PROHIBITIONS IN PLACE.
WE, WE DID FIND SOME THAT HAD, UH, 200 AND, AND ACTUALLY I THINK THERE'S A CHART, UH, THAT WE PROVIDED ON THE SECOND PAGE.
AND IT SHOWED THAT IN BRAZELTON, GEORGIA, THEY PROHIBIT COURTS WITHIN 250.
SO THERE ARE, UH, PARK CITY, UTAH, UM, CENTENNIAL, COLORADO.
THEY, THEY ACTUALLY, THEY, THEY USED THE TWO 50.
SO THERE, THERE WERE DIFFERENT CITIES.
WE WEREN'T SPECIFICALLY TIED TO THE THREE 50.
THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE REC THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION WE WERE MAKING.
BUT WE CERTAINLY FOUND IT AS MANY INSTANCES OF TWO 50.
SO I, I'M ON BOARD WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER GODFREY'S SUGGESTION
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NOW.'CAUSE IT, IT ACTUALLY, THE TABLE KIND OF INDICATES MORE, WE'RE AT TWO 50 THAN ANY OTHER DISTANCE.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LEAN INTO THE DATA, THE DATA CONCLUSIVE.
IF THE DATA LEANED MORE TOWARD TWO 50, LET'S MAKE IT TWO 50.
DATA LEANS MORE TOWARD THREE 50.
BUT LET'S, LET'S ROOT IT ON THE DATA.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE DATA TWO 50 IS A BETTER CHOICE.
UH, VERY BRIEFLY, KATHY, UM, ENFORCEMENT, UH, PARTICULARLY ITEM NUMBER ONE.
UH, VIOLATION OF EQUIPMENT, BARRIER MAINTENANCE OR NOISE LIMITS MAY RESULT IN CITATIONS, FINES, OR THE SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION OF A CUP.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T REALLY AT THIS POINT DISCUSS WHAT FINES WOULD LOOK LIKE.
YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH THEY WOULD BE, BUT WHAT'S INVOLVED IF YOU SUSPEND A CONDITIONAL USE? SO WITH, WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE, AND WE HAVE TO DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE MEETING THE CONDITIONS OF THAT APPROVAL.
UM, SO MAJORITY OF THE TIME WHEN WE NOTIFY, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY, THEY GET INTO COMPLIANCE.
IF THEY DO NOT GET INTO COMPLIANCE, THEN IT'S, THEN IT BECOMES, UM, IT, IT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THERE'S SUMMONED TO COURT BECAUSE IT IS A ZONING CONDITION.
ONCE YOU GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEN THERE ARE FINES, FEES THAT COULD BE ATTACHED.
BUT COULD THEY, MAJORITY OF THE TIME THEY, THEY MEET THEIR ZONING CONDITIONS OF ZONING, COULD THEY BE CONCEIVABLY BE REQUIRED TO RIP OUT THE PICKLEBALL COURT? YES.
AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THE, THE ENFORCEMENT OF IT, BECAUSE OUR AND CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF SOMEBODY HAS A TENNIS COURT IN A, IN A, IN A SUBDIVISION, AND THEY JUST CONVERT IT.
AND I SAID, AND THEN, THEN WE SAY, NO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WITHIN 200 FEET OR, OR WHATEVER.
THEY, AND WE DECIDED THAT IT, IT WAS PRETTY EASY TO RETROFIT BACK SINCE IT'S MOSTLY MOVING, UM, NETS, IT'S STRIPING.
SO WE DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WOULD BE A BURDEN TO CONVERT BACK.
AND ALSO WITHIN THAT CATEGORY, CITY MAY REQUIRE THIRD PARTY ACOUSTICAL VERIFICATION.
IT, UH, DO YOU, DO WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE EXPLICIT ABOUT THAT? LIKE, IS THERE A PARTICULAR TYPE OF SERVICE OR, UH, AUTHORITY THAT WE LOOK TO FOR THAT? UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE DO, BUT, UH, I MEAN, SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER TO LEAVE IT MORE OPEN.
BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE, WE INTERPRET AND WE, WE INTERPRET THE CODE.
UM, SO, SO I THINK THAT WE'RE OKAY.
ON THOSE SAME LINES OF THE ENFORCEMENT AND THE NOISE, DID I HEAR EARLIER, THERE'S NOT A, A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD FOR NOISE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO HIT.
SO WHAT LEVELS ARE THEY TRYING TO, SO WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT IT DOESN'T CALL OUT, UM, DIFFERENT LEVELS FOR DIFFERENT USES.
IT'S JUST THE 60 DBA AT THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE.
SO SOME OF THE DIFFERENT ORDINANCES AND SOME OF THE DIFFERENT COMMENTS THAT WE HAD, UM, FROM RESIDENTS WAS TO LOOK AT OUR NOISE ORDINANCE AND CONSIDER MAKING CHANGES SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD BE FOR A PICKLEBALL USE, WHICH THAT WOULD OPEN IT UP INTO, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES TO SEE IF THEY WOULD ALSO, UM, NEED TO BE CHANGED TO A DIFFERENT, SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON, BUT WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD AND, AND GET THE, UM, MAKE THE CHANGE RECOMMEND THE CHANGES FOR THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO THE STANDARD WOULD BE 60 DBA AT THE PROPERTY LINE? YES.
WE STILL HAVE THAT WITHIN OUR NOISE ORDINANCE.
AND FOLLOWING ON THAT, HAVING BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD FOR OTHER REASONS, THE 60 DBA IS SUSTAINED, AND THAT'S WHERE THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.
AND PICKLEBALL IS NOT A SUSTAINED NOISE UNLESS YOU'RE HAVING A REALLY GOOD VOLLEY.
AND I'M, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THE, THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
I'M, I'M NOT PROBABLY GONNA BE THE EXPERT ON THE, THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO GET, BEFORE WE WOULD MAKE ANY CHANGES.
SOMEBODY THAT IS A NOISE ORDINANCE NOISE EXPERT.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE FOUND TOO.
I MEAN, WITH THE DIFFERENT, THE SEMINARS THAT, UM, TALKED ABOUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF, SOME OF THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CITIZENS WERE TO LOOK AT MAKING THOSE CHANGES BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCE OF TYPE OF NOISE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AT THIS TIME, BUT WE ARE CONSIDERING PUTTING THOSE LAND, UM, REGULATIONS IN PLACE.
JUST AS A QUESTION, KATHY, ON THE NOISE ENFORCEMENT COMPONENT, UM, WHICH GROUP IN THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING? THAT'S OUR POLI.
AND CODE ENFORCEMENT IS RESPONSIBLE
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FOR CONDITIONS OF ZONING CONDITIONS? YEAH.WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE IS, WOULD BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
UM, THE NOISE ORDINANCE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC SAFETY ENFORCES.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE I WAS THIS, GO AHEAD.
WAS THIS PRECIPITATED BY THE NOISE OR IT BEING ANNOYING? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I PLAYED PICKLEBALL.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY THAT LOUD, BUT PICKLEBALL IS MORE ANNOYING.
IS, IS THAT WHAT WHAT IT IS? WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THE SOUND, UM, IS, IS DIFFERENT.
AND, UM, ONE, SOME OF THE, THE REGULATIONS WE LOOKED AT AND SEMINARS TALKED ABOUT THAT.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A BARKING DOG TYPE NOISE.
'CAUSE HE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REALLY COUNT ON THAT NOISE BEING THE SAME.
SO IT'S JUST A VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF NOISE.
WELL, I, I LIVE IN A, IN A HOUSE THAT'S THREE HOUSES FROM A PICKLEBALL FLEX COURT.
AND WHILE I'M THANKFUL I'M NOT NEXT DOOR TO THE FLEX COURT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE SOMEWHAT ANNOYING.
UM, HOWEVER, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY PLAYS PICKLEBALL LIKE ME.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THIS GIVES A GREAT, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE, IT DOES ACKNOWLEDGE THE ISSUE.
AND IT DOES PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK, WHICH I THINK WE JUST DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, I I THINK IT ALSO, DO YOU GIVE, UM, ON, ON APPROVAL OF THIS, IF IT DOES GET APPROVED, DO YOU NOTIFY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OF THE NEW? WE WILL.
WELL, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE WILL OPEN IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
MS. TAYLOR, I HAVE KAMI CHRISTENSEN IN FAVOR.
IF YOU PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND GIVE US A BRIEF, MAKE BRIEF.
I LIVE AT 550 EBLEY PLACE IN ALPHARETTA IN GLEN ABBEY, UM, SUBDIVISION.
AND, UM, I JUST WANNA THANK KATHY.
I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH HER SINCE LAST JUNE WHEN, UM, WE HAVE HAD PICKLEBALL COURTS 150 FEET BEHIND OUR HOUSE FOR THE LAST, UM, FOUR YEARS, FOUR TO FIVE YEARS.
UM, THEY WERE AT A TEMPORARY STRIPE, AND THE PLAY WAS OCCASIONAL, BUT AS PICKLEBALL DE DEMAND AND PLAY HAS PICKED UP, IT GOT TO BE AN INCESSANT ANNOYANCE IN OUR HOME.
AND LAST JUNE, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, HOA, DECIDED TO CONVERT THE COURTS INTO A PERMANENT BASIS.
AND THAT WAS THE TIME WHEN I REACHED OUT TO KATHY AND EVERYONE I COULD POSSIBLY REACH OUT TO AT THE CITY FOR HELP.
I WAS HOPING THAT A PERMIT WOULD NEED TO BE PULLED SO THAT THE ENTIRE PROCESS WOULD BE REVIEWED AT THE CITY AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION WOULD BE REVIEWED.
AS WE'RE TALKING TONIGHT, UNFORTUNATELY, WITH NOTHING IN THE UNIVERSAL DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WENT FORWARD.
AND THERE ARE NOW FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS IN MY BACKYARD, UM, 130 FEET FROM MY FENCE.
AND, UM, WE ALSO LIVE IN A BOWL.
THE COURTS ARE SUN IN A BOWL, AND I LIVE THREE STORIES UP.
SO I HEAR PICKLEBALL WHEN IT'S PLAYED IN MY BED.
UM, IN MY OFFICE, WE HAVE A HOME OFFICE THAT'S ON THE BACK.
MY CHILD'S BEDROOM IS IN THE BACK, OUR KITCHEN, OUR FAMILY ROOM.
AND WHEN PICKLEBALL IS BEING PLAYED, IT'S AN INTRUSION INSIDE OUR HOME.
AND WHILE IT IS DIFFICULT, MY HUSBAND'S ACTUALLY AN AVID PICKLEBALL PLAYER HIMSELF.
AND WHEN YOU'RE ON THE COURT, YOU ANTICIPATE THE NOISE, YOU'RE PART OF THE GAME, AND YOU SEE SOMEONE'S ABOUT TO HIT A BALL, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE YOUR HOME, YOU HAVE NO WAY TO CONDITION YOUR, YOUR HEARING, YOUR NERVOUS SYSTEM OR ANYTHING.
UM, I AM NOW AT THE POINT WHERE I HEAR PHANTOM PICKLEBALL, PICKLEBALL POPS WHEN PICKLEBALL IS NOT BEING PLAYED.
AND I, I ALERT MYSELF THINKING IT'S PICKLEBALL, UM, WHICH IS, UM, SUPPORTED BY RESEARCH THAT MY NERVOUS SYSTEM HAS BEEN CONDITIONED TO ANTICIPATE THE SOUND.
AND IT'S A HEALTH IMPACT FOR ME AND MY FAMILY.
UM, THIS IS NOT JUST AN ANNOYANCE OR DISTURBANCE.
UM, AND, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT TENNIS IS VERY DIFFERENT.
WE, THEY, THOSE HAVE BEEN TENNIS COURTS FOR THE ENTIRE NINE YEARS THAT WE'VE LIVED THERE.
I'VE NEVER ONCE HE HEARD A TENNIS RACKET HIT A BALL IN MY HOME.
WHEREAS I HEAR EVERY PADDLE STRIKE OF THE PICKLEBALL WITH THE BALL AND RESEARCH SHOWS THAT IT'S UP TO 900 STRIKES PER COURT PER HOUR.
SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE HOUR UPON HOUR OF THAT INSIDE YOUR HOME, IT IS ENOUGH TO LITERALLY DRIVE YOU CRAZY.
UM, SO WHILE WE ARE VERY, UH, DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE WAS NO CITY CODE SIX MONTHS AGO TO SUPPORT US AND OUR FAMILY AND OUR PEACE OF MIND INSIDE OF OUR
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HOME, WE VERY MUCH SUPPORT THE WORK THAT KATHY AND HER TEAM HAVE DONE.WE HAVE ALSO PROVIDED THE SAME RESEARCH.
I'VE BEEN FEEDING KATHY AND FILLING HER INBOX, I'M SORRY, KATHY, BUT I APPRECIATE HER ENGAGEMENT.
AND I HAVE PROVIDED HER WITH PODCASTS, LIVE EVENTS, RESEARCH, PUBLISHED RESEARCH IN ACADEMIC JOURNALS, DONE BY, UM, YOU KNOW, EXPERTS IN MANY FIELDS, INCLUDING HEALTH EXPERTS, ACOUSTIC EXPERTS, ATTORNEYS, UM, LAND PLANNERS, ALL KINDS OF EXPERTS IN KATHY HAS GRACIOUSLY ATTENDED LIVE EVENTS AND ENGAGED IN THE RESEARCH THAT IS PUBLISHED.
AND IT'S COMING OUT IN A DELUGE NOW.
UM, IN THE LAST, UNFORTUNATELY SINCE OCTOBER, THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE NEW RESEARCH STUDIES PUBLISHED.
BUT MEANWHILE, COURT, UM, PLAY IS HAPPENING IN MY BACKYARD.
UM, SO I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE APPROACH THAT, THAT KATHY AND THE CITY HAVE TAKEN.
MY HOPE IS THAT SINCE I'VE PROVIDED THE SAME RESEARCH TO MY HOA AND THEY HAVE NOT RESPONDED IN THE SAME POSITIVE MANNER, THAT WITH ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FROM A CHANGE IN THE CITY CODE, THAT MY HOA WILL UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION THAT THEY HAVE PUT THEIR OWN NEIGHBORS IN.
THERE ARE 12 OF US THAT SIGNED ONTO A LETTER SENT TO THE CITY IN JUNE, AND THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED OUR ADVOCACY.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, UM, THE COURTS ARE BUILT NOW.
UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WILL NOT BE IMPACTED OR, OR SAVED FROM THIS.
BUT I HOPE THAT MY FELLOW RESIDENTS OF ALPHARETTA WILL NOT LIVE THROUGH THE SAME SITUATION THAT I AM, THAT THIS WILL HEAD OFF ANY ADDITIONAL, ANY ADDITIONAL SITUATIONS.
AND I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT PICKLEBALL IS AN INCREDIBLE, AMAZING SPORT.
I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY NEGATIVE ABOUT THAT ACTIVITY.
I DO NOT THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE TO BE SITTING IN YOUR KITCHEN OR YOUR OFFICE OR YOUR BED EN LISTEN TO SOMEBODY ELSE DO, UM, A RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY.
WHILE THERE ARE MANY GREAT, UM, FACILITIES IN THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC, I ONLY HAVE ONE HOME.
BUT I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE PICKLEBALL EXPANDED APPROPRIATELY.
IT'S BEEN FOR ME AND CAREFULLY.
SO, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
ANYBODY ELSE? MS. TAYLOR? MATT CHRISTENSEN.
UH, MY NAME IS MATT CHRISTENSEN.
I LIVE AT FIVE 50 ELEY PLACE IN GLEN ABBEY.
AND, UH, YEAH, I JUST WANNA SHARE THAT YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY, LIKE MY WIFE JUST SAID, WE LIVE LESS THAN 150 FEET FROM THE GLEN ABBEY PICKLEBALL COURTS.
AND FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, THE SOUND HAS BEEN A CONSTANT DISTURBANCE TO OUR DAILY LIVES.
THIS ISN'T SIMPLY ABOUT DECIBEL LEVELS, AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE FREQUENCY, THE SHARPNESS, THE REPETITIVE NATURE, AND THE HIGH-PITCHED IMPACT THAT CUTS THROUGH OUR WALLS OR WINDOWS.
AT NORMAL LIFE, NO ALPHARETTA RESIDENT SHOULD BE EXPECTED TO ENDURE THAT KIND OF INTRUSION IN THEIR OWN HOMES.
IN FACT, EVEN TONIGHT, BEFORE COMING HERE, I COULD HEAR IT LOUD AND CLEAR.
UH, WE'RE LIVING SO CLOSE TO THE COURTS, THERE'S NO PLACE THAT WE CAN ESCAPE FROM IT.
UH, THE NOISES BECOME, UNFORTUNATELY, PART OF OUR LIVES WHETHER WE WANT IT OR NOT.
NOW, I DO WANNA BE CLEAR, LIKE MY WIFE SAID, I LOVE PLAYING PICKLEBALL.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, ON THE CONTRARY, THAT, LIKE I SAID, I, I DO LOVE IT.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT WHERE THE COURTS ARE LOCATED.
UNLIKE MY KIDS WHO NEVER WANT TO BE BORED AND GIRLS WHO JUST WANT HAVE FUN, I HOPE WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT ALTHOUGH PICKLEBALL IS FUN, FUN IS NOT AN ADEQUATE RATIONALE TO DISTURB THE PIECE OF INDIVIDUALS AT THEIR PROPERTIES.
I FULLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED SETBACKS BECAUSE THE RESEARCH IS CLEAR.
DISTANCE IS THE ONLY RELIABLE WAY TO REDUCE THIS TYPE OF NOISE DISTURBANCE.
OUR OWN EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN THAT RELYING ON AN HOA OR SIMILAR BODY TO DO THE RIGHT THING IS NOT ALWAYS ENOUGH.
OUR HOA IGNORED OUR CONCERNS, DISMISSED OUR FEEDBACK, AND ULTIMATELY FAILED TO PROTECT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND THAT HAS BEEN DEEPLY DISAPPOINTING, ALPHA AND EASY ZONING LOSS THAT REFLECT MODERN RECREATIONAL TRENDS.
PICKLEBALL IS GROWING RAPIDLY AND WITHOUT UPDATED RULES, FAMILIES LIKE MINE ARE LEFT UNPROTECTED.
THESE CHANGES AREN'T ABOUT LIMITING RECREATION.
THEY'RE ABOUT ENSURING THAT ONE GROUP'S ENJOYMENT DOES NOT COME AT THE EXPENSE OF ANOTHER'S FAMILY'S PIECE, HEALTH AND HOME ENVIRONMENT.
THERE'S ALSO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CITY TO PROTECT ITSELF AS PICKLEBALL CONTINUES TO EXPAND.
SO WILL CONFLICTS LIKE OURS WITHOUT CLEAR, PROACTIVE ZONING, THE CITY RISKS, INCREASED PUSHBACK, AND EVEN POTENTIAL LEGAL CHALLENGES FROM RESIDENTS WHO FEEL UNPROTECTED.
I URGE YOU TO TAKE THIS RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY, SUPPORT THIS ZONING CHANGE, NOT JUST FOR MY FAMILY, BUT ALSO FOR EVERY ALPHA AT A FAMILY WHO DESERVES THE BASIC DIGNITY OF ENJOYMENT, ENJOYING THEIR HOME WITHOUT CONSTANT DISRUPTION.
NO ONE ELSE SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE'VE BEEN LIVING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
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I DEFINITELY THINK THIS IS A HUGE WIN.I REALLY APPLAUD KATHY AND TEAM FOR BRINGING THIS, UH, TO THE TABLE.
I WILL HAVE TO SAY I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED, UM, THAT ALTHOUGH WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS IS A NUISANCE, THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE IMPACTED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANYBODY ELSE? I HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN FAVOR, BUT HAVE SOME OPPOSITION.
ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? SHE, I DO.
AND BRIEF SOME BRIEF COMMENTS.
UM, I DIDN'T BRING ANY REMARKS.
UM, I SPOKE AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE ATTENDED, UM, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
BUT, UM, PICKLEBALL HAS SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECTED OUR FAMILY IN OUR OWN HOME.
UM, MY CHILD CANNOT SLEEP IN THEIR ROOM.
HE WAS AWOKEN, HE WAS A BABY AND WOULD GET WOKEN UP WHENEVER IT WAS BEING PLAYED.
SO WE HAD TO MOVE HIM TO THE BASEMENT TWO FLOORS AWAY FROM WHERE THE REST OF THE FAMILY LIVES.
WE TRIED GETTING NEW WINDOWS ON THE BACK OF OUR HOME.
WE HAVE A, UM, EXPLORED AS MANY MEASURES THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN.
UM, WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOME, IT WAS NOT USED AS A PICKLEBALL COURT, AND THAT KIND OF GREW OUT OF POPULARITY.
I ALSO REALLY ENJOY PICKLEBALL.
I THINK IT'S REALLY FUN, BUT AS YOU EVEN ADMITTED, YOU WOULDN'T WANNA BE NEXT TO IT AND YOU WOULDN'T BUY A HOME WITH IT.
BUT I DIDN'T BUY A HOME WITH PICKLEBALL LESS THAN 250 FEET AWAY.
AND NOW I'M IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.
SO I IMPLORE YOU, PLEASE SAVE YOURSELVES, YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR GRANDCHILDREN, FROM THIS SITUATION IN THE FUTURE BY PUTTING THIS MEASURE IN TO SAVE PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THIS SITUATION.
YOU DON'T, YOUR SLEEP IS IMPORTANT AND SO IS EVERYONE'S.
AND I THINK IT'S RESPECTFUL TO CONSIDER THAT.
SO PLEASE, I AM, I, I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THIS BECAUSE IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, THE HEALTH OF YOUR, OF YOUR CITIZENS AND OF YOUR FAMILIES.
UM, SO THAT NO ONE HAS TO ENDURE THIS LIKE WE DID.
I'M SORRY, ARE YOU AT 12 3 30? NO, I DID NOT FILL OUT A FORM.
I HAVE ONE MORE FOR, UM, NAIM RESIN FOUR.
MY NAME IS NAIM RESOUR AND I RESIDE IN 1 2 3 3 0 CLAREMONT AVENUE.
UM, I WANTED TO FIRST THANKS THE CITY OF ALBERTA PLANNING DEPARTMENT, KATHY SIR WHITMAN, UM, UM, TO RECOGNIZE THIS ISSUE, TO RECOGNIZE THE PICKLE WISE PICKLE ALL NOISE.
UM, SO I, I, AS A CITY PLANNER, I DID MY OWN RESEARCH AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE RESEARCH, BUT KATHY PUT IT, UM, IN A, IN A GREAT, UM, UM, ORDINANCE THAT I WANNA SKIP THAT.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MENTION WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE TWO YEARS AGO AND, UM, IT WAS CLOSE TO TENNIS COURT, BUT IT WAS ON PICKABLE COURT.
AND THEN OUR HOA DECIDED TO CONVERT ONE TENNIS COURT INTO TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS.
SO, UH, WE ARE 150 FOOT FROM THE COURTS AND WE HAVE HOUSES 60 FOOT FROM THE COURTS.
UM, SO IT HAS BECOME DIFFICULT TO COMFORTABLY USE OUR BACKYARD, UM, OR EVEN INSIDE OUR HOME.
UM, WITH THE WINDOWS CLOSED, UM, THE REPETITIVE NOISE IS CLEARLY AUDIBLE AND DISRUPTIVE TO WORK, UM, IN OUR DAILY LIFE.
OVER THE PAST YEAR, I HAVE PARTICIPATED IN MEETINGS, UM, ATTENDED TO COLLABORATE ON THE SOLUTION.
UM, WHILE, WHILE OUR HOAM PLAYERS, THEY TRY USING QUIET PADDLES, UM, TO REUSE THE NOISE, SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY, UM, NOT ALL OF THEM, IT DIDN'T MAKE A MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE.
UM, AND THE IMPACTS HAVE CONTINUED DESPITE THOSE EFFORTS.
UM, SO MY REQUEST TONIGHT, UM, IS NOT TO ELIMINATED PICKELBALL.
IT'S SIMPLY TO ASK THE CITY TO RECOGNIZE THAT CONVERTING TENNIS COURTS, TO PICKELBALL COURTS IN RESIDENTIAL AREA, ESPECIALLY WHERE HOMES ARE, UM, WITHIN 200 FEET OR CLOSER, UM, SHOULD INVOLVE PROFESSIONAL NOISE, STUDY, CLEAR SETBACK, UM, UM, AND ALSO SOUND BARRIERS.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THE ORDINANCE IS MAINLY INTENDED FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
AND I APPRECIATE THE CITY, UM, TAKING THIS STEP.
UM, I ALSO HOPE THE CITY RECOGNIZES THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR EVALUATE, UM, TO EV EVALUATE ALREADY CONVERTED COURTS WHERE RESIDENTS ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCING IMPACT.
ANYBODY ELSE? I HAVE OPPOSITION, SO, I'M SORRY.
OH, IS THERE ANYBODY IN OPPOSITION OF THIS?
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I HAVE JET SA.PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
MY NAME IS JT SAHA AND I LIVE AT 1 2 3 0 5 CLAREMONT AVENUE IN THE CLAREMONT SUBDIVISION DIAGONALLY ACROSS FROM THE SCENE.
UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT 'CAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSED, UM, LANGUAGE THAT'S, I BELIEVE WILL STUNT THE GROWTH OF PICKLEBALL.
UM, WE ALL NEED TO DEAL WITH NOISE.
AND TO MATT'S POINT, UM, DISTANCE MATTERS.
UM, SO I'M HOPING TO DO THIS WITH SOME PRACTICALITY.
I I'M GOOD WITH THE 250 FEET BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE RESEARCH HAS SHOWN.
UM, SO IF THAT WORKS, IT'S NOT A CONCERN.
I'M HAPPIER THAT IT'S, IT'S SUPPORTING THE DATA.
UM, BUT THE SECOND POINT THOUGH, THE RULE FOR CONVERTED COURTS IS WHERE THIS BECOMES TRULY DIFFICULT BECAUSE MANY OF OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE TENNIS COURTS THAT ARE UNDERUTILIZED.
UM, THESE COURTS ARE OFTEN BUILT WITHIN A HUNDRED TO 200 FEET OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID DECADES AGO.
UM, SO UNDER THIS NEW RULE, THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE PERMANENTLY BANNED FROM UPDATING THEIR OWN AMEN OWN AMENITIES, EVEN IF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO CHANGE.
I BELIEVE THAT FOR EXISTING PRIVATE COMMUNITIES, THERE SHOULD BE AN HOA DECISION, NOT A CITY MANDATE.
UM, THEY'RE CAPABLE OF SELF-REGULATING, AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM, YOU CAN RUN AGAINST THEM.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS A CITY RESPONSIBILITY.
UM, I THINK SOME OF THE CHOICES FOR NOISE DAMPENING FENCES ARE NICE, BUT THEY'RE SOMETIMES EXPENSIVE.
THE PANELS GO LIKE, $20,000 EVALUATIONS IS $15,000 FOR SMALL COMMUNITIES, IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS TO THIS.
UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, PLEASE DON'T REGULATE PICKLEBALL OUT OF EXISTENCE.
I THINK THAT YOU LOWERED THE NEW SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENT 250 FEET AND TO EXEMPT HOA GOVERNED CONVERSIONS FROM THESE BLANKET DISTANCE RULES.
LET'S FIND A BALANCE THAT RESPECTS OUR NEIGHBORS.
ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION.
UM, I AM, MY NAME IS DAVID BUXBAUM.
I LIVE IN THE CLAREMONT SUBDIVISION AT, UH, 10 20 CLAIRBORNE DRIVE, JIT, MYSELF AND ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL, AND GOES BY AND NOT SEE, BUT NANCY WAS ON THE, A COMMITTEE THAT WE FORMED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE HOA FORMED A COMMITTEE TO DO A STUDY PERIOD TO LOOK INTO WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND REASONABLE USE OF PICKLEBALL COURTS.
WE HAVE FLEX COURTS, WE DON'T HAVE PERMANENT COURTS.
WE'VE HAD THE, WE DID THIS STUDY FOR EIGHT MONTHS.
WE LOOKED AT ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION.
WE HAD THIS PUBLIC CITY OFFICER COME OUT AND DO A NO NOISE WALK AROUND TO MAKE SURE WE WERE WITHIN THAT, UH, ORDINANCE.
UM, WE LANDED ON SOME REASONABLE GUIDELINES.
WE LIMIT THE TIME TYPES OF PADDLES.
WE USE A BALL THAT PLAYS NOTICEABLY SOFTER.
WE POST IT ON OUR COURTS, THE, THE, THE RULES THAT, AND YOU CAN SCAN IT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
SO WE MADE ACCOMMODATIONS TO TRY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. UM, BUT I THINK THAT GOING FORWARD FROM THIS, THE, THE WAY THIS ORDINANCE WAS DRAFTED, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT RETROACTIVE.
AND I THINK, UH, KAREN MENTIONED EARLIER, AND I WOULD SUPPORT A CHANGE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT'S EFFECTIVE AFTER IT'S PASSED OR PUBLISHED, MAYBE WITHIN A CERTAIN DATE, SIX MONTHS, WHATEVER.
UH, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THAT IT IS NOT RETROACTIVE.
SO, UH, AS JIT SAID, I THINK EFFECTIVELY YOU'RE GONNA BAN PICKLEBALL WITH THIS, MOST EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS WILL NOT FIT WITHIN THOSE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE, I, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT HOAS THAT WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, USE OF THEIR PROPERTIES.
WELL, I CERTAINLY WANNA, BEFORE I CLOSE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT, WANNA, UM, SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU TO SIT HERE TO THIS LATE TIME, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, VOICE YOUR OPINIONS, UM, FOR AND AGAINST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ALL IMPORTANT TO THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S VOICE.
AND WE WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW YOUR VOICE IS HEARD, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT NOT, YOU KNOW, BE IN FAVOR OF HOW YOU, WHAT YOUR POSITION WAS TONIGHT.
WE WANT YOU TO KNOW WE DID HEAR YOU.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT IS, UM, CERTAINLY BECAUSE OF THE POPULARITY
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OF THE SPORT, SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, PARTICULARLY PROBABLY H HOAS DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT AT THE TIME THEY MADE THE CONVERSION.SO, YOU KNOW, MY HOPE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR REGULATION, AND IT WILL CERTAINLY MARK, UM, AND, AND FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND HELP FUTURE HOAS CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY NOT HAVING PICKLEBALL SO CLOSE.
SO ANYWAY, WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR SUPPORT FOR AND AGAINST TONIGHT.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, OPEN IT UP TO COMMENTS WITH THE BOARD.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE STORIES WERE PRETTY IMPACTFUL AND I WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT, AND I KNOW I WAS OPEN TO THE 250 FEET, BUT IF I'M SITTING ACROSS FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING A PROBLEM AT 150 FEET, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I FEEL GOOD ABOUT TWO 50, YOU KNOW, 249 FEET OR 251 FEET, I GUESS IS AN AUTOMATIC, IS I GUESS IS NOT PROHIBITED.
2 51 IS NOT NECESSARILY PROHIBITED.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE EXAMPLES.
ALL OF US KNOW FROM WHAT WE DO ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I MEAN, ALPHARETTA LOOKS AT WHAT OTHER CITIES DO, AND WE SET THE BAR HIGHER.
I JOTTED DOWN WITH REGARD TO DENSITIES, MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHTS, SIDEWALK WIDTHS, LANDSCAPE STRIPS, BEAUTIFICATION OF PROPERTIES, AND NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
WE SET THE BAR HIGHER THAN WOODS.
WELL, I'M NOT GONNA MENTION OTHER CITIES, BUT WE, WE SET THE BAR HIGHER AND WE DO THAT INTENTIONALLY.
SO I KNOW I WAS ARGUING IN FAVOR OF THE DATA, BUT AS I GOT TO THINK ABOUT IT MORE, AND I HEARD THE STORIES, I WONDER IF WE SET THE BAR HIGHER THAN THE TWO 50 THAT WE SAW OUT IN SALT LAKE CITY AND SOME SMALL TOWN IN COLORADO AND WHEREVER.
UH, JUST TO ENSURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORS IN ALPHARETTA STAND AS BEST A CHANCE AS POSSIBLE NOT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT, WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH.
SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M, I KNOW I'M ARGUING AGAINST MYSELF, BUT
UM, SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS FOR DISCUSSION.
ANYBODY ELSE? I, CHRIS I WOULD STAND BY TWO 50 FOR, I THINK IT, IT MEETS BOTH.
IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT IT IF THE HOA OR ORGANIZATION WANTS IT, IT ALLOWS IT TO BE CONSIDERED.
I, I STILL WOULD STAND BY A CONDITIONAL ZONE, ALLOWING THAT TO BE DECIDED BASED ON THE, THE, WHERE IT SITS ON THE LAND AND THE SOUND.
SO I, I WOULD STILL STAND WITH TWO 50.
I THINK OUR, THERE'S A GREAT PEER SET HERE OF HIGH-END, HIGH-END COMPS.
UM, SO I, I, I WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY CONSIDERATION AND CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE STORIES.
UM, I JUST, I'M, I AM STRUGGLING WITH THE TWO 50 OR THE, UM, WHAT STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED AT THREE 50.
UM, BUT MY QUESTION, UM, I WANTED JUST TO ASK KATHY TO CLARIFY, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE COMMENT BY THE, UM, LAST SPEAKER ABOUT RETRO ACTIVENESS, UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? MY UNDERSTANDING IS ANYTHING THAT WE PUT IN FOR CODE NEVER IS RETROACTIVE.
SO AT THE, AT THE TIME OF ADOPTION IS WHEN IT GOES INTO EFFECT.
UM, I DO LIKE THE, THE EARLIER DISCUSSION THOUGH THAT I THINK THAT, THAT YOU HAD BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UM, CLARIFYING ONE AND TWO MM-HMM
AND THEN I'LL ALSO TALK TO OUR ATTORNEY, UH, PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
BUT FOR ONE, UH, INCLUDING NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEW CONVERSION OF EXISTING SPORTS COURTS.
BUT I'LL ALSO GET HER, UM, TO, TO LOOK AT IT AND MAKE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT IT ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT APPLY, APPLY TO ANYTHING THAT EXISTS PRIOR TO ADOPTION.
AND THEN ON TWO, YOU HAD, UM, SPOKE ABOUT THAT, I MEAN, ON THE, UNDER THE DEFINITIONS NET ATTACHED OR UNATTACHED, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD CHANGE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING, UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR IN REGARDS TO THE APPLICABILITY B ONE, THE LANGUAGE THERE WILL BE TIGHTENED UP AFTER YOU SPEAK WITH THE ATTORNEY, THE CITY'S ATTORNEY.
IN REGARDS TO THE FLEX COURT, I WOULD GO AHEAD AND CHANGE IT TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE NEW CONVERSION, BECAUSE WE PUT NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR NOW, YOU MIGHT AS WELL PUT IN THE NEW CONVERSION
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OF EXISTING SPORTS COURTS AF AND WE'RE GONNA PUT AFTER ADOPTION.SO WE'RE JUST ADDING THE WORD NEW IN FRONT OF CONVERSION.
AND, AND I'LL GET HER TO, UM, LOOK AT IT AND MAKE FURTHER SUGGESTIONS.
REGARDING THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THIS IS AN HO, A MATTER OR A CITY ORDINANCE MATTER, UM, AS A FORMER DIRECTOR OF AN HOA BOARD, UM, THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF HOAS ARE IN A POSITION TO ENFORCE, UH, THAT THEY ALMOST ENTIRELY DEFAULT TO CITY ORDINANCE FOR NOISE ISSUES.
SO, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS IS DEFINITELY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY ORDINANCE TO STEP UP AND HELP.
UH, I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT, UM, IN TERMS OF ANY ENFORCEMENT, HAVING, HAVING IT NOT BE AN HOA MATTER, UH, DOES NOT PUT THE BURDEN ON THE HOA TO HAVE TO SET NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR.
THAT BEING SAID, FUTURE HOAS, UH, OR HOAS, LOOKING AT FUTURE CONVERSIONS WILL NEED TO THINK VERY, VERY HARD ABOUT THE IMPACT TO THEIR, TO THEIR, THEIR, UH, HOMEOWNER MEMBERS.
UM, AND I, I PLAY TWO OR THREE TIMES A WEEK, SO, UM, AND I LIVE ABOUT 500 FEET FROM THE ONE FLEX COURT THAT WE HAVE.
SO WE CAN NEVER HAVE MORE THAN TWO COURTS GOING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO MAXIMUM OF EIGHT PEOPLE PLAYING AT ONCE AND AT 550 FEET FROM THE COURT.
I HEAR IT, UM, LOUD AND CLEAR.
UM, WE RARELY HAVE EIGHT FOLKS ON A COURT.
SO IT IS NOT, IT DOESN'T IMPACT MY QUALITY OF LIFE AT ALL, BUT I, WE DO HAVE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE 200 FEET FROM THE COURT.
UM, AND, UM, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, IT HASN'T BECOME AN ISSUE YET, UM, FOR THEM.
BUT, UM, IT'S A WONDERFUL SPORT AND IT'S, IT IS, UNLIKE TENNIS, IT'S, UM, MORE ADAPTABLE, MORE FOLKS CAN PLAY IT.
YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT RUNNING AS HARD AS YOU ARE IN TENNIS, AND IT'S, IT'S A LOT MORE SOCIAL.
UM, BUT I'M ALSO COGNIZANT OF THE AMOUNT OF COURTS THAT OUR CITY HAS AS FAR AS OUR COMMUNITY.
WILLS PARK, NORTH PARK, WE BRIDGE PARK.
SO I FEEL LIKE THE HOA ENVIRONMENT IS NOT THE ONLY ENVIRONMENT TO PLAY PICKLEBALL IN.
AND IT'S CONVENIENT FOR ME, BUT I WOULD IN A HEARTBEAT GO TO NORTH PARK IF I COULDN'T PLAY IN MY HOA, I THINK THE IMPACT OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE IS SIGNIFICANT.
UM, AND I, I COULD NOT IMAGINE THE CONSTANT POUNDING OF THAT PICKLEBALL.
I, I, I JUST, MY HEART BREAKS FOR YOU ALL.
UM, I THINK THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE TO BALANCE THINGS AND, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESOURCES TO PLAY PICKLEBALL.
UM, AND I, I CAN'T KEEP TRACK ON HOW MANY TENNIS COURTS THE CITY'S CONVERTED TO PICKLE ON A PERMANENT BASIS BECAUSE THE SPORT HAS TAKEN OFF SO WELL.
BUT, UM, I, I, I CERTAINLY, UM, FEEL YOUR PAIN AND I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD WITH AN ADOPTION THAT YOUR HOA WILL RECONSIDER.
UM, I JUST THINK THAT YOUR PROPERTY VALUES HAVE BEEN SO IMPACTED BY THIS, UM, THAT IT'S, IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE AND SPORTS ARE GREAT, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF QUALITY OF LIFE IN, IN MY OPINION.
UM, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE, TODD, I'M JUST GONNA ASK AGAIN.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY WITH COMMISSIONER RICHARD'S THOUGHTS, I, I DON'T PLAY PICKLEBALL, MY WIFE DOES, BUT ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT THE THREE 50 VERSUS THE TWO 50? ANY ANYONE?
SO IN THAT INSTANCE, THE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE MET.
SO I GOING TO A CLOSER DISTANCE DOESN'T IT, I DON'T THINK IS A BIG, UH, BARRIER BECAUSE THEY DO STILL HAVE TO MEET THE 60 DBA BARRIER OR IT WON'T BE USED.
SO, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU GUYS COULD TAKE A LOOK AT TOO.
UH, THE NOISE ORDINANCE IN THE 60 DBAS.
SO, UM, THAT'S MY OPINION ON IT.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT ONE THING THAT IS WITHIN THE
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CONTROL OF AN HOA IS THE HOURS.SO YOU COULD, UH, YOU COULD CLEARLY SAY THERE WILL BE NO PICKLEBALL AFTER, LET'S SAY NINE O'CLOCK OR DUSK OR, UH, WHATEVER IT WOULD BE, WHATEVER IS AMENABLE AND, AND WORKS FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE HOA IS AFTER ALL THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT IS DEFINITELY A CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH YOUR HOA, PUTTING SOME LIMITS ON THE HOURS.
WELL, THIS HAS BEEN A VERY ENLIGHTENING, UM, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR INPUT TONIGHT.
SO I'M GONNA CLOSE COMMENT AND ASK FOR A MOTION.
I WILL, UM, OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE PH DASH 26 DASH OH FIVE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENT PICKLEBALL WITH THE FOLLOWING, UH, ADJUSTMENTS TO THE INITIAL, UM, DRAFT UNDER APPLICABILITY B APPLICABILITY, UM, B ONE, THE, UM, IT SHOULD READ THIS SECTION APPLIES TO ALL NEW OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL COURTS, INCLUDING NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE NEW CONVERSION OF EXISTING SPORTS COURTS.
UM, C ONE DEFINITIONS, UH, PICKLEBALL AND ACTIVITY WHERE PARTICIPANTS UTILIZE A RACKET OR PADDLE TO STRIKE AND VOLLEY A HOLLOW PLASTIC BALL OVER A NET ATTACHED SLASHED UNATTACHED TO A PICKLEBALL COURT.
AND THE SECOND SENTENCE REMAINS THE SAME.
UM, I WILL, MY MOTION WILL INCLUDE MAKING THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE TWO 50.
SO, UM, UNDER D SITTING REQUIREMENTS PROHIBITED ZONE ZERO TO TWO 50 FEET FROM DWELLING.
AND I GUESS THAT HAS TO BE CHANGED ALL THE WAY THROUGH IF WE'RE DOING THAT.
DO I NEED TO CALL THAT OUT? ALL RIGHT.
UM, IN THAT SAME SENTENCE, UM, OUR ARE PROHIBITED WHEN ANY PORTION OF THE PLANK SURFACE IS WITHIN 250 FEET OF A DWELLING.
UH, IT WOULD ALSO IMPACT CONDITION, CONDITIONAL ZONE, UH, D TWO CONDITIONAL ZONE IS 250 FEET TO 800 FEET.
UM, AND THEN I THINK IT WOULD ALSO AFFECT THE VARIANCES UNDER G IS THAT CORRECT? UM, NO VARIANCES SHALL BE GRANTED TO OUTDOOR COURTS WITHIN THE PROHIBITIVE ZONE LESS THAN 250 FEET, CORRECT? YEP.
DID I MISS ANY OF OTHER ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE TWO 50? I'M SORRY.
UH, THAT IS THE END OF MY MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT TONIGHT.
OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT WILL BE SHORT-TERM REYNOLDS PH DASH 26 DASH OH SEVEN UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENT, SHORT-TERM REYNOLDS AND MS. COOK WILL BE PRESENTING.
SO WE HAVE SOME, SOME REALLY SOME CHANGES WE HAD PUT FORTH THAT WOULD CHANGE THE DEFINITION TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR THAT YOU CANNOT RENT A ROOM WITHIN A STRUCTURE.
AND THE REASON THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH MAKING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IS BECAUSE WHEN WE PUT THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE, IT WAS APPROVED JANUARY 6TH, 2025, AND WE ROLLED IT OUT THE PROCESS IN MAY OF 2025.
AND WE HAVE, OF COURSE, THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MAXIMUM OF 5%.
SO MAXIMUM OF 5% WITHIN A PLATTED SUBDIVISION CAN COME FORWARD AND REQUEST, UM, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
AND SO WE'VE RECEIVED 40 DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.
WE'VE ACTUALLY ISSUED 33 OF THOSE, SEVEN OF THEM DIDN'T MEET THE GUIDELINES, SO THEY WEREN'T ISSUED.
BUT WHAT WE DID SEE IS THAT WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT CAN I RENT A ROOM WITHIN MY HOME? SO THAT IS NOT ALLOWED.
YOU CAN LOOK THROUGHOUT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SECTIONS THAT WILL TELL YOU THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWED, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AND INTERPRET.
SO WE JUST WANNA ADD IT, UM, TO THAT SECTION.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING IS UNDER SECTION 2.7, MISCELLANEOUS REGULATIONS.
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NUMBER ONE, WE'RE ADDING, UM, WE'RE ALSO ADDING THE, IT'S PERMITTED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS.WE DID NOT ADVERTISE THOSE ORIGINALLY, SO WE ALWAYS KNEW WE WOULD COME BACK AND ADD THOSE DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT WE DIDN'T ADVERTISE THEM PROPERLY BEFORE.
SO, UH, WE HAVE THAT WITHIN AS PART OF THE REQUEST.
AND THEN ALSO NUMBER FOUR, WE'RE ADDING UNDER, AND THIS IS WITHIN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
NO SHORT TERM RENTAL SHALL BE PERMITTED FOR APARTMENTS, TENTS, YURTS, TRUCK, CAMPERS, TRAILERS, OR OTHER SIMILAR PORTABLE SHELTERS, BUT NOT INCLUDING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ASSOCIATED WITH A DWELLING FOR SALE.
DETACHED, NO SHORT-TERM RENTAL SHALL OFFER INDIVIDUAL ROOMS FOR RENT, NOR SHALL ANY SHORT TERM RENTAL OFFER, UH, FOR RENT LESS THAN THE ENTIRETY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
NOW, THE FIRST PART OF THIS ALREADY COMES FROM THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE.
IT'S JUST THIS LAST SENTENCE, UM, THAT IS NEW WHERE IT STARTS.
NO SHORT TERM RENTAL SHALL OFFER INDIVIDUAL ROOMS. AND THAT'S, AGAIN, IT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
SO WE PUT THAT UNDER THE MISCELLANEOUS REGULATIONS, WHICH SOMEBODY CAN FIND IT WITHIN OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
BUT THEN WE ALSO ADDED, UH, THAT LANGUAGE, UM, TO THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE.
IT'S ITSELF TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
NO SHORT-TERM RENTAL SHALL OFFER INDIVIDUAL ROOMS FOR RENT, NOR SHALL ANY SHORT-TERM RENTAL OFFER FOR RENT LESS THAN THE ENTIRETY OF A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
WE'RE NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY.
IT'S JUST THAT PEOPLE WERE INTERPRETING IT THAT THEY COULD RENT OUT THEIR BASEMENT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION I THINK WITHIN YOUR, WITHIN YOUR, WITHIN YOUR, UM, PACKET.
WE ORIGINALLY WERE JUST GONNA CHANGE THE CONDITION OF SHORT TERM RENTALS, BUT WE SPOKE TO OUR ATTORNEY AND SHE, SHE GAVE US THE SAME LANGUAGE, BUT WE HAD TO PUT IT IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
ATTORNEYS HAVE TO GIVE THAT ADVICE.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY LIKED WHAT WE PUT FORWARD, BUT THEY WANTED IT IN A DIFFERENT SECTION.
AND, UM, OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
WELL, WE CERTAINLY PAY OUR, OUR ATTORNEYS, SO WE NEED THEIR ADVICE.
UM, SO ON THE, AS ON THE A A DU, LIKE IF I HAVE A HOME THAT HAS A PORTICO WITH A GARAGE OVER IT, THIS IS SAYING I CAN'T RENT THAT ROOM OVER THE GARAGE.
IF IT'S SEPARATE A DU, IT'S, IF IT'S, THAT'S FINE.
BUT IF IT'S YOUR BASEMENT WITHIN YOUR HOME AND YOUR LIVING ABOVE, NO, AND I SAY THE ACCESSORY DWELLING IS FINE, BUT YOU'RE, YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO, IT COULDN'T BE RESTRICTED WITHIN YOUR COVENANTS.
YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO, TO MEET THE HOA COVENANTS.
YES, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, AND JUST FOR THE, UH, SAKE OF PURE CLARITY, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF CONVERSATION, UH, IN, IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT WHAT'S ALLOWED AND WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED.
IT IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE WORD STRAIGHT.
THIS CHANGE IN PARTICULAR ONLY APPLIES TO THE TYPES OF ZONING THAT YOU HAVE SPELLED OUT, CORRECT? THE DOWNTOWN? NO.
SO, SO WE'RE ADDING ALL THE DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND THE, THE, UM, CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLIES NOW TO ALL OF THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT IT'S JUST ORIGINALLY.
MY POINT IS, AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS JUST CLARIFYING THAT YOU CANNOT RENT OUT PART OF YOUR HOME.
SO WHERE BEFORE WE, WE HAD BEEN ABLE TO SAY, LOOK, IT'S INHERENT IN THE DEFINITION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
WE CAN NOW POINT TO A LINE OF TEXT.
YOU CAN POINT PEOPLE TO THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, UH, SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THEN WE WOULD GIVE THEM THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY, WHICH SAYS, YOU MUST WORK AS A UNIT COOKING TOGETHER.
YOU CAN ALSO JUST READ IT HERE.
WE DID HAVE SOME PUSHBACK ABOUT, OH, SO THE CITY'S NOW TRYING TO TELL US WHAT CONSTITUTES A FAMILY.
WELL, YOU GOTTA START SOMEWHERE.
WITH THE FIRST ZONING ORDINANCE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, I WILL CLOSE THAT.
I WILL LOOK TO OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND I, NOT SURE WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT,
SO SEEING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, I'LL CLOSE THAT.
AND IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, FURTHER DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WE, WE MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, I'M OPEN FOR A MOTION.
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CHAIR, WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PH DASH 26 DASH OH SEVEN UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENT, SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS NOT NOTED BY STAFF.SECOND, I HAVE A, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION.