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[1. MEETING ANNOUNCEMENTS]
EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA DESIGN REVIEW BOARD WORKSHOP SESSION.TODAY IS FRIDAY, MAY 15TH, 2026.
AND FOR THE WORKSHOP, I WILL TURN THE, UH, MEETING OVER TO MR. SCHROEDER, WHO WILL WALK US THROUGH OUR APPLICATIONS THAT WE WILL BE REVIEWING DURING OUR PUBLIC HEARING STARTING AT NINE O'CLOCK THIS MORNING.
UM, JUST AS A, A REMINDER ABOUT ROBERT'S RULES, UM, THIS BOARD OPERATES UNDER THOSE, SO DURING WORKSHOP AS WELL AS THE MEETING, IF YOU CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING PART OF THE CASE ON IN THE MEETING, YOU ALSO CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE WORKSHOP, UM, WORKSHOP.
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO LEAVE THE ROOM, BUT, UH, LIKE YOU DO IN DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING PART PORTION.
BUT, BUT JUST TRY TO REMEMBER.
YOU CAN'T, CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN, IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS EITHER.
[2. WORK SESSION ITEMS]
WE'LL HAVE, THE FIRST THING IS THE BROOKSIDE DESIGN STANDARD BOOKLET.UM, I WAS THINKING ON THE WAY IN THIS MORNING, WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS BOOKLET? AND REALLY IT'S, IT'S NOTHING OTHER THAN IT'S ALL PUT TOGETHER.
WE'VE SEEN ALL OF THIS IN PIECES.
WE SAW PART OF IT IN THE BEGINNING WHEN WE LOOKED AT SITE PLANNING LANDSCAPE.
WE SAW IT, UM, IN PICTURES AND, AND THOUGHTS WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE, UM, INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS AND, AND GOT THEIR ARCHITECTURE GOING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, THIS IS JUST KIND OF CULMINATING THAT ALL TOGETHER, THIS IS A CONDITION THAT THEY HAD TO DO, WHICH IS THE REASON THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE TO GET THIS SPECIFIC BOOKLET PROPO OR, UH, APPROVED.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IS, IS FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IN THE DESIGN GUIDE, THERE'S ONLY THREE BRICKS.
THERE'S THREE WHAT? THREE BRICK SELECTIONS.
IS THERE, IS IT ANTICIPATED THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT? WILL YOU ADJUST THOSE THREE BRICKS OR DO YOU KNOW, DO THEY PLAN TO COME BACK AT SOME POINT AND UPDATE DESIGN GUIDE AS THEY DESIGN THE OTHER BUILDINGS, OR, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY LOOKED AT THE ONE, RIGHT? THE ONE BUILDING UP MILTON.
YEAH, WE COULD DO, EITHER WAY IT'LL GET ADDED IN, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IF YOU GUYS APPROVE IT FOR A BUILDING, YOU'RE GONNA, EVERYTHING MOVING FORWARD, YOU'LL APPROVE BASED ON THESE SORT OF PUT TOGETHER RATHER THAN, OKAY.
WELL, WHAT DID WE LOOK AT OVER HERE? RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA GET A LOOK AT THE BOOKLET.
SO MOVING FORWARD, IN THEORY, IF YOU APPROVE SOMETHING THAT GOES WITH THE BOOKLET, IT GOES IN THE BOOK.
IT GOES IN THE BOOKLET, YEAH, BUT IT, BUT THE BOOKLET WOULDN'T NEED TO COME BACK HERE.
WE WOULD JUST, WE WOULD JUST GET THEM TO ADD IT UP THAT WAY AT THE END.
THEN WE HAVE A FULL PACKAGE OF, OF, FOR STAFF.
A FULL PACKAGE OF WHAT? THE, WHAT? EVERYTHING FOR THE SITE.
UM, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, BRETT, LET ME READ THIS CONDITION.
THAT'S PART OF IT FROM THE CITY COUNCILS THAT THEY HAD.
IT SAYS, PRIOR TO LA PRIOR TO LDP, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT FOR APPROVAL A DOCUMENT TO BE ENTITLED PORTMAN BROOKSIDE DESIGN STANDARDS.
THIS DOCUMENT SHALL INCLUDE ELEVATIONS OR ARCHITECTURAL THEMES OF BUILDINGS, SPECI SPECIFICATIONS FOR STREET FURNITURE, INCLUDING BENCHES, TRASH RECEPTACLES, LIGHTING, FOCAL POINT FEATURES, BICYCLE RACKS, BUS SHELTERS, SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING THEMES, ENTRANCE TREATMENTS, AND SHALL BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE SUBMITTED RENDERINGS AS AMENDED DESIGN STANDARDS WILL BE PRESENTED TO STAFF AND THE DRB FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
AND ONE THING THAT WILL NOT BE, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S IN HERE, BUT ONE THING WE WOULDN'T DO IS THE ART STUFF.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT APPROVED BY THIS BOARD, SO WE CAN'T PUSH THAT INTO THESE.
THEY COULD ADD IT AFTER THEY'VE GOT THEIR, THEIR, UM, I'M SORRY, MR. KRAMER, WHAT WAS THE TERM FOR IT? WHAT DID IT, UM, FOCAL FEATURES, FOCAL POINTS DISCUSSED IN THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S FOCAL, RIGHT? BUT, BUT THE ACTUAL TO, TO SAY, OH, WELL THIS IS THE SPECIFICS.
THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME AFTER THE ARTS COMMISSION AND ALL THAT FOCAL FOCAL POINT FEATURES.
IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT'S IN HERE IS CONCEPTUAL FOR THE MOST PART IS CONCEPTUAL THINGS AND, BUT THEN SPECIFIC MATERIALS.
AND, AND MR. KRAMER HAS SEEN THAT LANGUAGE BEFORE, THAT EXACT, UM, YOU KNOW, THING IN OTHER, UM, PLACES.
AND I'M SURE IT WILL COME FORWARD, HOPEFULLY AGAIN, AS ANOTHER CONDITION.
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TO THE LEFT OF THIS PICTURE, WE, WE SAW THE SQUARES.WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE BUILDINGS YET.
THE INTENT AGAIN, FOR, FROM THE LANDLORD IS THAT EACH OF THOSE TENANTS WILL BRING THEIR PORTION OF THAT BUILDING AND THE LANDLORD AS THE SORT OF THE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING FORWARD AS IT AS IT COMES.
SO, BUT WE HAVE SEEN THIS ON THE LEFT, OR EXCUSE ME ON THE RIGHT.
BUT WHAT THIS DOES GIVE US IS THAT, THAT THE BOARD CAN USE IN, IN FUTURE THINGS IS, IS HIS FEEL CONCEPT, I THINK THINGS LIKE THAT OF, OF THE COMING BUILDINGS.
I THINK THE KEY WORD WORD WAS THEME.
I REALLY LIKE THIS BUILDING AND I HOPE THAT, THAT THIS LITTLE, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE JUST A, A LITTLE NOOK OF AN AREA BUILDING.
I HOPE THIS ONE COMES TO FRUITION.
THIS, THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE A, I'D LIKE, IT'S BE SIMILAR TO THE AVALON.
UM, WE CALL 'EM THE ISLANDS, BUT A LITTLE MORE FUNCTIONALITY TO IT.
I, IT FEELS LIKE THE, THE THINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE BOULEVARD AT AVALON JUST ARE LIKE ALMOST MORE AFTERTHOUGHTS OR SOMETHING.
IT, THEY JUST, THEY DON'T QUITE FEEL RIGHT.
WELL, YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY TRAFFIC TOO.
YOU HAD A STREET ON BOTH SIDES AND YEAH.
WITH THE STREET ON BOTH SIDES.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT LIKE, AT LEAST IT'S NOT 30 MILE AN HOUR TRAFFIC, OR IT SHOULDN'T BE
THIS IS THAT POOL AREA AGAIN OF THE BUILDING THAT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN.
MATERIALS, LANDSCAPE PALLETS, I GOTTA SAY IT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY SITE IN THE FALL.
IT'S, IT'S GOT A LOT OF UNIQUE FALL COLORS THAT, THAT AREN'T JUST GONNA BE, UM, RED ALL THE WAY THROUGH OR YELLOW ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOT A LOT OF, A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN THERE.
THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME, A COUPLE OF THE ENTRANCES, MULTI EAST TRAIL AREA THAT I JUST HEARD.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE DILIGENTLY WORKING ON, UM, GETTING THAT DESIGNED AND, AND READY TO GO.
SO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GROW THESE TREES, BUT I WANT SOME OF THESE IN MY YARD, NOT AROUND HERE.
UM, AND IT'S KIND OF MORE RUSTIC AND NATURAL.
I, I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE LIGHTNESS OF SOME OF THE, THE BENCH AND CHAIR ON THE LEFT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PLANNED TO BE BOLTED DOWN FOR THE BENCH, BUT THE ROCKER, THOSE THINGS TEND TO DISAPPEAR AND
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HOPEFULLY LANDLORDS, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND, AND PUSH THAT SORT OF HARD.
UM, I LIKE THE, THE WOOD AND WOOD LOOK ACCENTS BRINGING IN BECAUSE I THINK IT, IT REALLY, UM, GROUNDS, UH, ALL THE HARDNESS THAT YOU HAVE IN ALL THE BRICK AND STEEL AND TOTALLY AGREE AND, AND ALL THAT.
IT REALLY, REALLY BRINGS YOU TO DOWN TO EARTH AND, AND HELPS WORK IN THE, IN THE LANDSCAPE AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, THIS PICTURE OVER HERE, THIS GRANITE BLOCK, I MEAN, YEAH, I, I LIKE THE GRANITE BLOCKS AS
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WELL, BUT IF IT WERE MY CHOICE, THEY'D BE ALL WOOD.BUT YEAH, I'M NOT SURE THE SKATEBOARDERS LIKE THAT MATERIAL EITHER.
AND THAT MAY BE A GOOD REASON WHY WE USE SOME ROUGH GRANITE IN PLACES.
IT ALSO REALLY HURTS WHEN YOU FALL ALONG.
AND I CAN SEE BOARDS LAYING ON THESE AND THE KIDS RAMPING THEM.
JUST, I, I MEAN, I WOULD'VE BEEN THERE, THERE'D BE A ROCKING CHAIR ON TOP OF THAT ONE.
IS THERE, IS THERE CURRENTLY A MARTA STOP THERE NOW? OR IS IT I DON'T THINK SO.
WELL, THERE MIGHT BE ONE BACK IN BY THE SCHOOL.
NOW THAT THEY'VE DONE SOME OF THEIR NEW ROUTES TOO AND EVERYTHING.
YEAH, I JUST, UM, HEARD THE OTHER DAY THAT I NEED TO GET, LIKE, THERE'S LIKE THREE OF THEM ON, TWO OF THEM, I THINK ON ALONG WINDWARD PARKWAY THAT WE NEED TO GET REMOVED.
MAR'S NOT GONNA SERVICE 'EM AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA OH, IS THAT RIGHT? STOP THERE ANYMORE.
SO IS IT, IS IT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO REMOVE THEM OR IS IT WELL, NO, IT'LL BE THE, IT'LL BE THE LANDLORD, BUT I SEE IT'S, THEY'RE BECOMING, UM, WELL, HOUSING TEMPORARY.
SO WE GOTTA GET 'EM TAKEN CARE OF.
SOME REALLY UNIQUE LIGHTING ALL AND THEN AGAIN, ALL THIS WILL, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA BE ART STUFF, ART COMMISSION, BUT IT'S, IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT THEY HAVE A DESIRE TO DO IT.
SO, AND SOME SIGNAGE, LOTS OF DIFFERENT STYLES HERE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GOOD.
UM, STAFF TOOK A TOUR LAST WEEK OF THE BATTERY, UM, AND LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF, UM, THAT WAS DONE UP THERE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I TOOK NOTE OF WAS ALL THE DIFFERENT STYLES OF SCIENCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE SOME, SOME THINGS HERE, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA TWEAK BASED ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE SOME PROHIBITIONS AND STUFF THAT ARE GONNA BE SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT, YOU NEED, NOT EVERYTHING SHOULD LOOK THE SAME.
IF EVERYTHING LOOKS THE SAME, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT, IT'S GONNA BECOME DULL AND AND OUTDATED QUICKLY.
AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB HERE AT SHOWING SOME DIFFERENCE.
YOU'VE GOT SOME AND BRETT, I AGREE AT THE BATTERY.
UH, 'CAUSE THAT'S ONE KIND OF ONE, UH, DEVELOPMENT ALL YES.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT, UH, BASICALLY FOUR STREETS AND PEDESTRIAN AREAS THAT, THAT YOU WALK AND, AND YOU SEE EVERYTHING FROM, FROM, UM, THE VINYL ADHERED BANNER MATERIAL THAT LOOKS LIKE PAINT ON BRICK TO FACE ILLUMINATED SIGNS THAT WE'VE PROHIBITED HERE IN THE CITY, UM, TO ACTUAL PAINTED SIGNS TO, UH, BULB ILLUMINATED, LIKE THE OLD, YOU MIGHT CALL IT, THE OLD LAS VEGAS STYLE SIGN WITH THE INDIVIDUAL BULBS, UH, SHINING TO THE FACE AND, AND NO, NO DIFFUSER COVER ON IT.
UM, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO, I JUST LIKE THE CAUTION THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT MAYBE CITYWIDE, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE SENSE.
IT MAY MAKE SENSE IN SOME AREAS.
SO, SO THAT'S WHERE WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE SOME TWEAKS.
'CAUSE WHEN WE SOMETHING PROHIBITED, THEN THEORETICALLY YOU, YOU CAN'T GET A VARIANCE TO THAT OR, OR ANYTHING.
SO WE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO TWEAK SOME STUFF.
THEN WE HAVE TREY ELLI, THEY ARE MOVING ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH WAS, UM, BUTCHER BREW, BUTCHER AND BREW.
WAS IT BUTCHER AND BREW? NO, IT WAS ACADEMY BAR NOW, BUT IT WAS BUTCHER BREW.
SOUTH MAIN KITCHEN WAS THE EXCITED.
UM, SO IT WAS BUTCHER AND BREW.
NOW IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GONNA GO BACK.
THIS IS ACTUALLY, UM, ONE OF THE CO-OWNERS WHEN IT WAS BUTCHER AND
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BREW.UM, AND HE'S, HE'S COMING BACK AND, AND GONNA DO FAMILY ITALIAN MINUS PIZZA.
'CAUSE HE FEELS THERE'S ALREADY ENOUGH GOOD PIZZA IN DOWNTOWN THAT HE DOESN'T, UH, DOESN'T WANT TO TRY TO COMPETE WITH, WITH WHAT'S, WHAT'S ALREADY WORKING.
SO I'M GONNA DO A VERY SIMPLE SIGN.
AND AT FIRST I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA STAND UP ON TOP OF THE CANOPY.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE EVALUATING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY BUTCHER AND BRUISE BUTCHER AND BRUISE WAS.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE EVALUATING THAT IT'S, IT'S EITHER GONNA BE ON THE WALL OR, OR OUT AT THE EDGE OF THE CANOPY.
I MEAN, THE ADVANTAGE OF THE CANOPY DAMAGE THE BRICK, RIGHT.
PUTTING UP THE SUN AT THE EDGE OF THE CANOPY.
YOU DO HAVE A BENEFIT THAT YOU DON'T DAMAGE ANY OF THE BRICK, WHICH IS DEFINITELY OLD.
AND IT'S GONNA CREATE PROBLEMS AND WE DON'T REALLY WANNA GO DOWN THAT ROUTE.
UM, SO YEAH, IT, IT COULD SIT ON THE CANOPY.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL STRUCTURAL ISSUES WITH THE CANOPY THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
THE OTHER TRICKY THING IS, IS THE MOUNTING DETAILS WHERE YOU'RE NOT SEEING BRACING AND STUFF.
BUT THE GOOD THING ABOUT HAVING IT AT THE FRONT OF THE CANOPY IS WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN, UM, MAIN STREET, IF IT'S PUSHED BACK ON THE BRICK IT FROM A LOT OF VIEWS, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE YEP.
WELL, BUT THEN YOU DON'T GET NECESSARILY THE HALO EFFECT.
IF IT'S ON THE BRICK, YOU GET THE HALO.
UM, AND, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, THE NEW OWNER AND SIGN COMPANY OF THE, THE OFFICE BUILDING OUT FRONT HERE.
I CAN'T THINK OF WHO WAS IN THERE.
DATA SCAN, UM, ON, ON HOW YOU CAN DO SOME DIFFERENT LIGHTING AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY BASICALLY JUST TAKE THE FACE OF A LETTER AND PUT IT BEHIND THE LETTER AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WOULD GLOW OFF.
IT'S NOT GONNA GIVE YOU THE EXACT FEEL UNLESS YOU EXPAND IT A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN THE LETTER.
BUT IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD USE IN, IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THEY WANT SORT OF AN OUTLINE.
UM, ALSO WE SAW WHEN IT WAS DONE THAT WAY UP AT THE BATTERY, I DIDN'T GET TO SEE IT AT NIGHT, BUT, UM, NEXT TIME I'M UP THERE IF I REMEMBER I'LL LOOK AT THAT ONE.
BUT I THINK I'LL HAVE OTHER THINGS ON MY MIND.
UM, THEN WE'VE GOT PUBLIX, PUBLIX IS GONNA DO, WANTS TO DO A REFRESH.
UM, WANT TO USE THE COLORS THAT, THAT, UM, MOST PLACES ARE GOING TO NOW ALL THE CREAMS AND WHITES AND GRAYS AND BLACK.
SO THEY'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB HERE AT NUMBERING OUT WHERE COLORS ARE GONNA GO.
REPRESENTING 'EM IN, IN PICTURES.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT LOOKS A LITTLE BRIGHTER THAN PROBABLY WHAT REALLY? LIKE THIS, THIS NUMBER FOUR LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALMOST WHITE IN THE RENDERINGS, BUT, AND I, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOT PAINTING ANY OF THE BRICK THAT'S THERE TODAY,
SO THAT'S, THEY MIGHT HAVE HEARD THAT FROM SOMEONE COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY.
FUNNY THING IS SOME OF THOSE CORE BALLS, YOU, YOU NEVER REALLY NOTICED THEM BEFORE AND, BUT THEY'RE REALLY TINY.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GIVE 'EM SOME GUIDANCE ON THIS SIDE.
I THINK, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, AREN'T THERE SOME, UM, SOME RAISED PANELS UP IN THAT AREA UP HIGH.
I DUNNO, I'LL HAVE TO PULL THE, I THOUGHT THERE, I DIDN'T DRIVE ON THAT SIDE.
I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER ELEVATIONS, THEY DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE RAISED PANELS.
AND IF THOSE ARE THERE, THEY'RE JUST NOT REALLY SHOWING IN THIS THE WAY THE RENDERING'S DONE.
UM, SO THEY WOULD STILL COME THROUGH, BUT IF, IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOME SUBTLE COLOR DIFFERENCE ON THAT FACADE, THERE'S CONTROL JOINTS THAT THEY COULD PAINT TO WHERE YOU HAVE GOOD, LIKE NATURAL BREAK POINTS IF THEY CHOSE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN THEY COULD POTENTIALLY EVEN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONE HERE.
AND, AND SO THERE'S PROBABLY ONE THERE.
YOU COULD, I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY PAINT THIS A DIFFERENT COLOR OR THESE TWO DIFFERENT AND LEAVE CENTER ONE AND BREAK THAT FACADE UP A LITTLE BIT.
THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING AS A THOUGHT IS IF YOU VERY SUBTLY HAD A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT COLOR FOR THESE COLUMNS GOING ALL THE WAY UP AND ACROSS THE TOP, UM, MAYBE AND THEN HAD THE PANEL OVER THE STOREFRONT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD HELP KIND OF ARTICULATE THE MM-HMM
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THIS NEEDS A LITTLE HELP.AND THIS IS THE MAIN STREET SIDE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S DOWN THE HILL ACROSS THE GREEN, UM, IT'S, IT'S STILL THE MAIN STREET SIDE.
SO I MEAN, IT LOOKED LIKE WHAT THEY DID IS THEY PAINTED IT THE WAY IT IS PAINTED NOW.
JUST WITH DIFFERENT COLORS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
THERE REALLY NOT A LOT OF, UH, OTHER THAN THE VAL ACCENT.
AND THEN WE HAVE MAYFAIR AT HAYNES BRIDGE.
UM, THIS ONE, IF YOU REMEMBER, IS THE ONE WE'RE COMING BACK TO LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THE SPECIFICS.
UM, THE, THE, BASICALLY THE CORNER, I THINK.
AND THEN WE WANTED TO LOOK AT, UM, THESE TWO CORNERS AND THEN JUST CONFIRM THAT THIS WASN'T ONE RIGHT AFTER ANOTHER GOING DOWN HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD.
'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE SPECIFIC CALL OUTS ON, YOU KNOW, THIS MATERIAL'S USED HERE OR THIS ONE'S USED HERE.
AND NOW A LITTLE BIT OF A FOCUS ON SORT OF, UM, A LITTLE MORE VISIBLE STRUCTURES.
THERE'S SOME COLORED RENDERINGS THAT HELPS.
SITE PLAN, WHICH WILL MAKE IT A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO REFERENCE THAT LAST, THE LAST SITE PLAN, EVERYTHING WAS CORRECT, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS HARD TO, AND IT LOOKS LIKE NOW THEY'VE, THEY'VE CLEARED THIS PHASE TWO OR THE SECOND PART OF THAT SITE ON DOWN YEAH.
TO THE THEY HAVE AND SHE'S LABELED, UM, ELEVATION LETTERS ON HERE TOO.
SO, AND THEN THE COLORED RENDERINGS GOING THROUGH THESE SPECIFICS.
AND I LIKE HOW THEY SAID, OKAY, THIS IS LOT ONE.
AND THIS IS LOT 17, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALL A, THIS WAS THE IMPORTANT SIDE WE WERE LOOKING AT AT LOT ONE, WHICH IS HERE.
SO, WELL THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE, WAS IT SOMETHING ABOUT THE DRIVEWAYS ON THESE TWO LOTS, MR. SCHWANG, THAT YOU WERE, OR WAS THAT A DIFFERENT UH, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT, UH, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
THAT WAS THE THOMPSON STREET ONE WHERE WE, THAT THOMPSON STREET WHERE THE DRIVEWAYS WERE ORIENTED OUT TOWARDS THOMPSON AS OPPOSED YES.
WE WANT 'EM ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU KEPT IN THE APPLICATION FROM MARCH FROM PREVIOUS.
JUST IN CASE WE NEEDED MORE TO REFERENCE BACK TO.
AND THEN THE, UH, MARKET DISTRICT, MARKET DISTRICT IS, UH, COMPLETE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING.
UM, ACTUALLY, UM, TALKED TO, SO FOR, FOR THE BOARD'S, UM, PURVIEW, WE, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS THAT WEREN'T REALLY CLEAR IN SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT WERE SHOWN ON THE 1 16, 1 20, NO, EXCUSE ME.
THEY'RE BOTH 1 26, ACTUALLY TWO, UH, FOUR STORY BUILDINGS ON NORTH MAIN STREET.
UM, AND SO THEY'RE DONE PRETTY WELL COMPLETE ON THE OUTSIDE.
SO I TOOK, UM, MR. KRAMER AND MR. SCH SWING UP THERE AFTER OUR LAST MEETING.
WE WALKED AROUND WITH TRACY WARD, THE ARCHITECT, AND LOOKED AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT AREAS.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, CLIMBING, UM, LANDSCAPING IN A COUPLE OF SPOTS, UM, THAT JENNIFER AND I WORKED THROUGH.
UM, SHE THINKS HE'LL DO WELL IN THE AREA.
UM, AND SO THEY'LL BE ADDING THAT.
BUT THE BUILDINGS ON THE OUTSIDE ARE, ARE ALMOST COMPLETE.
THERE'S A COUPLE LITTLE TOUCHUPS THEY'RE GONNA DO.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA DO SOME IRON WORK ON, UM, IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE STILL DESIGNING SOME IRON WORK FOR THE BALCONIES ON THE REAR BUILDING.
UM, SO THAT'LL, THAT'LL GET, GET DONE SOON.
UM, BUT I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE, ALL THE AWNINGS ARE UP NOW.
THE YELLOW AND WHITE STRIPED AWNINGS LOOK AWESOME ON THE BUILDING, UH, REALLY, REALLY MAKES THAT BUILDING STAND OUT.
UM, AND I HOPE THEY KEEP 'EM, THERE'S, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN SOME, SOME, UH, QUESTIONS OF DO WE HAVE TO KEEP THOSE? AND, AND SO FAR THEY'RE, THEY'RE TELLING 'EM YES, BUT WE'LL SEE.
THERE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENTIATION
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ON THE PARAPET TOP.THERE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENTIATION ON THE PARAPET TOP, UM, FROM WHAT WAS SHOWN IN THE RENDERINGS.
BUT ON THE DRAWINGS IT WAS SHOWN, CORRECT? WELL, IT WAS SHOWN SORT OF AS IS NOW, BUT IN THE RENDERINGS IT LOOKED A LOT DARKER.
UM, AND, UH, WELL THERE WAS SOME GLASS PANELS UP THERE, THERE WOULDN'T, THERE APPEARED TO BE SOME GLASS PANELS THAT WERE SHOWN UP THERE.
JUST DIDN'T, WASN'T GONNA WORK OUT WITH WATERPROOF.
IT WAS WATERPROOFING, WASN'T IT? NO, WELL IT WAS, IT WAS THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT AND STUFF THAT YOU
OH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.
WHEN THEY GOT THE, UM, ROOFTOP RTU UNIT DESIGNED FROM THE, FROM THE, UM, ENGINEER, THEY SAW THAT YOU WERE DEFINITELY GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH THOSE GLASS PANELS, UM, THAT, AND SO THEY BRICKED THE GLASS PANELS UP, WHICH THEN REALLY HELPED THEIR WATERPROOFING, UM, ENGINEER THAT SAID, YEAH, I LIKE THAT A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN A GLASS PANEL.
SO THEY CHANGED, CHANGED THE BRICK COLOR THOUGH, TO
THEY DID CHANGE OFF THE BRICK COLOR TO THAT THEME OF YEAH.
KIND OF A
THEY'RE, THEY'RE AN AWESOME ADDITION TO NORTH MAIN STREET.
SO SPEAKING OF, WE DON'T HAVE YET, BUT WE HAVE A PERSON THAT MR. BRADY HAS, COUNCILMAN BRADY HAS A, HAS SAID HE IS GOING TO APPOINT AND WE HAVE HER SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK TO GET APPOINTED.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE A FAMILIAR FACE IN JUNE.
ANYTHING ELSE, BRETT, THIS MORNING? I THINK THAT'S IT.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S, UM, LET'S ADJOURN THE WORKSHOP SESSION.
WE'LL GET OUR COFFEE CUPS FILLED AND GET BACK HERE IN JUST A COUPLE MINUTES AND GET STARTED WITH OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
[3. CALL TO ORDER]
AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF ALFRED DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PUBLIC HEARING.TODAY IS FRIDAY, MAY 15TH, 2026.
UM, OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS MORNING IS, UM, CALL TO ORDER, WHICH I'VE DONE ROLL CALL.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING.
I KNOW MR. CORCO IS NOT HERE THIS MORNING, BUT WE HAVE MS. MATLEY STANDING IN FOR PAT.
SO KIM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS MORNING.
AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM SO WE CAN HAVE A MEETING THIS MORNING.
JUST A GENTLE REMINDER, IF YOU MAKE SURE YOUR PHONES ARE IN THE SILENT POSITIONS, I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THEN LET'S STAND, UH, FACE THE FLAG AND HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHERE IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[6. ITEMS FROM STAFF]
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS FROM STAFF THIS MORNING? ANYTHING FROM BRETT, JOEL, OR ELLIE THIS MORNING? I DON'T THINK SO.I ASSUME THE, UH, TASTE OF ALPHARETTA WAS A SUCCESS LAST NIGHT.
I, I ASSUME IT'S ALL CLEANED UP.
IT'S, UH, LOOK GOOD THIS MORNING.
I DON'T HAVE TO WORK IT ANYMORE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRIOR SERVICE ON THAT.
SO, JUST ONE THING I JUST A REMINDER TO PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE WHEN YOU TALK OR MAKE A MOTION.
'CAUSE IT'S HARD FOR ME TO HEAR THE MEETING MINUTE, DO THE MEETING MINUTES IF I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S THE RECORDING THAT'S NOT PICKING OUR, OUR WHAT WE'RE SAYING UP VERY WELL.
IS THAT RIGHT? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE CAN HEAR OURSELVES IN THE MICROPHONES ARE VERY SENSITIVE, SO, BUT IF, IF YOU DON'T, SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T GET CLOSE ENOUGH AND THEY, BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE TOO LOUD, BUT FOR THE RECORDING THEY'RE NOT THAT LOUD.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL TRY TO SPEAK, SPEAK CLEARLY AND CLOSELY.
[7. ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS]
FROM BOARD MEMBERS THIS MORNING? ANYTHING FROM BOARD MEMBERS? NOTHING.UM, I'VE ASKED MS. PALMER TO COME, UH, NEXT MONTH
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TO, FOR, TO RECEIVE HER PLAQUE.I, SHE WAS GOING TO COME TODAY.
I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS IN, BUT I GOT AN EMAIL THAT IT'S HERE SO WE COULD HAVE DONE IT THIS MORNING, BUT, UM, SHE'S GONNA BE HERE NEXT MONTH, SO WE WILL, WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FIRST, UH, FOR NEXT MONTH.
ALRIGHT, UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS TO APPROVE THE, UH, THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR APRIL 17TH, 2026 MEETING.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE'S STILL SOME MORE TWEAKS AND CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE, MAKE TO THOSE MINUTES.
BOARD MEMBER SWING FOUND SOME, UH, ERRORS AND ALSO I NEED TO RE-LOOK AT THE MOTION FOR DOLCE.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA DO THAT AND I'LL, I'LL PROBABLY SEND IT TO YOU GUYS AHEAD OF TIME.
AGAIN, I, I WENT OFF THE TRANSCRIPT, BUT I'LL TRY TO RE-LISTEN TO THE MINUTES AND DO THE TRANSCRIPT.
I HAVE SOME NOTES TOO THAT I SHARE WITH YOU.
AND ELLIE, I DID NOTE ONE THING TOO.
I FOUND LAST NIGHT THAT THE VOTE TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES MARCH 20TH WAS SEVEN ZERO AND IT SHOULD BE SIX ZERO 'CAUSE THERE WAS ONLY SIX OF US PRESENT.
SO JUST DID YOU DO THAT TOO? OKAY.
I'M SORRY, FRANK, YOU MAY HAVE CROSSED THAT.
[1. DRB250039 Portman Residential - Design Guide 3625 Brookside Pkwy
review Design Guide]
SO OUR FIRST STORE, THE FIRST, UH, APPLICANT THIS MORNING IS THE PORTMAN RESIDENTIAL FOLKS, ARE YOU HERE, COME ON DOWN PLEASE.
AND IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE YOU, UM, SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, UM, NAME AND GOOD MORNING, IDENTIFY YOURSELVES NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN, UH, GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKETS TODAY, PLEASE.
FORGIVE THE LAST MINUTE SET UP HERE.
UM, AN INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING TO BE HEARD BY A MATTER RELATED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING MUST BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD.
UPON ARISING TO SPEAK, THE SPEAKER MUST IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR HIMSELF HERSELF AND FURNISH A HOME OR BUSINESS ADDRESS BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS.
THE COMMISSION WILL ALLOW THE PROPONENTS A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION AND OPPONENTS WILL BE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
COMMENTS ARE FIRST ACCEPTED FROM THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY PERSON SPEAKING IN FAVOR.
AND THEN FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION, UPON CONCLUSION OF ANY OPPOSING COMMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS, THE CHAIR WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO OFFER REBUTTAL IF ANY TIME IS REMAINING IN THE ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES AND THE CHAIR HAS A DISCRETION TO ALLOW MORE TIME IF NEEDED.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU ELLIE FOR THAT.
UH, MY NAME IS BRANDON ROBINSON.
I REPRESENT, UH, FK AND I ARCHITECTURE.
UM, BEEN WORKING WITH PORTMAN HOLDINGS HERE ON THE BROOKSIDE VILLAGE PROJECT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND THIS MORNING WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE DESIRE GUIDELINES FOR THE SITE.
UH, SO I'LL JUST SORT OF ROLL RIGHT INTO IT.
UM, AS A GENERAL CAVEAT OR, UH, INTRODUCTION, UH, AND REMINDER, THE GOAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE RETAIL SITES IS TO GO THROUGH A SEPARATE DRB HEARING FOR EACH OF THEM AS WE DEVELOP DESIGNS.
UH, AS A, THE INTENT OF THAT IS REALLY TO, UH, FOSTER CREATIVITY AND GET AS MUCH OF A DYNAMIC SITE AS POSSIBLE.
UH, AS A RESULT, THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO YOU TODAY ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON KIND OF THE THREADS THAT WE HOPE WILL TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND LESS ON THE SPECIAL MOMENTS THAT EACH OF THE RETAILERS WILL ULTIMATELY BE BRINGING WITH THEIR MURALS, THEIR SIGNAGE, UM, WHATEVER OTHER AESTHETIC DESIGN ELEMENTS THEY MIGHT BRING TO THE SITE.
UH, AND INCIDENTALLY, UH, AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS, AS YOU NOTICE FROM BRETT'S, UH, PRESENTATION EARLIER, A LOT OF WHAT'S IN THIS DESIGN GUIDELINE IS LANDSCAPE AND STREETSCAPE ORIENTED.
UH, IN OUR OPINION, THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGER THREADS THAT IS TYING THE SITE TOGETHER AND ALSO, UM, IS KIND OF MERGING A LOT OF THE PARK CENTRIC, UH, SOFTSCAPE AND HARDSCAPE ELEMENTS WITH THE MORE VILLAGE RETAIL CENTRIC.
AND SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DYNAMIC THERE, WHICH YOU SEE WITH SOME OF THE FURNISH SELECT FURNISHING SELECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE GO THROUGH.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE ALL THAT CLEAR.
HOPEFULLY I'M CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE MIC
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UH, SO JUMPING RIGHT INTO THIS, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH AND WEIRDLY ENOUGH, TODAY MY COMPUTER DECIDED TO BE VERY SLOW,
IT MIGHT JUST BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT.
WELL, I'M JUST GONNA MOVE MY COMPUTER OVER THERE AND LET HIM OH, OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THE INCONVENIENCE.
WELL, SO WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, YOU WANT A FULL SCREEN YEAH.
SO, UH, THIS DOCUMENT IS BASICALLY ORGANIZED, UH, IN, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURE MATERIALS, THEN LANDSCAPE, AND THEN DESIGN FEATURES.
UH, AS BRETT MENTIONED EARLIER, EVERYTHING IN THIS DOCUMENT IS STUFF THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, MAYBE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME OF THE ILLUSTRATIVE ARTWORK AND SOME OF THE ILLUSTRATIVE SIGNAGE THAT WE'RE SHOWING.
UM, SO REALLY THIS IS JUST, AGAIN, FOCUSING ON ALL OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS THAT WE HOPE WILL TIE THE SITE TOGETHER WITHOUT NECESSARILY LIMITING THE CREATIVITY OF FUTURE DESIGN.
UM, AGAIN, FIRST RENDERING ON THE RIGHT IS THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING.
THERE IS RETAIL IN THAT BUILDING.
UM, EACH OF THOSE FACADES WILL ULTIMATELY, UH, GET RESUBMITTED WITH TENANTS.
UH, ON THE LEFT SIDE HERE, YOU CAN SEE AN EXAMPLE OF THE FREESTANDING RETAIL, UH, THE USE OF BRICK, THE USE OF CANOPIES, UH, TO CREATE HUMAN SCALE.
UH, WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN INTRODUCING SOFTSCAPE AND GREENERY, UH, INTO AROUND THOSE RETAIL FRONTAGES.
UH, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AS A THEME THROUGHOUT.
UH, MOVING ON, THIS IS REALLY JUST THE, UH, OLD MILTON PARKWAY FRONTAGE.
UH, BUT IT DOES KIND OF SPEAK TO WHAT OUR GOAL IS, WHICH IS KIND OF A, A VILLAGE TOWN, SORT OF SMALLER SCALE FEEL, EVEN ON SOME OF THE LARGER ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING.
UH, AND THEN AS WE MOVE INTO HERE, YOU CAN START TO SEE SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS AGAIN.
UH, AGAIN, THE, THE BRICK THAT WE'RE USING, UH, IS MEANT TO SORT OF HELP TIE THE SITE TOGETHER.
UH, KNOWING THAT ALL THE SPACES IN BETWEEN THE BRICK WILL ULTIMATELY PROBABLY BE SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT.
UH, THE CANOPIES, AGAIN, ARE INTRODUCING, UH, HUMAN SCALE, UM, UH, SHELTERED AREAS FOR, UH, UM, VISITORS AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCING, UH, ZONES WHERE WE CAN INTRODUCE SOFTSCAPE, UH, PLANTINGS, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, WITH THE GOAL THAT IT BE AS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE.
UH, THIS IS REALLY JUST A SHOT OF THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING AGAIN, BUT IN THE INTENT HERE IS TO SHOW THE RETAIL FRONTAGE ALONG THAT STREET AND HOW THAT WILL INTERACT WITH THE RETAIL ELEMENTS THAT ARE ACROSS FROM IT.
BASICALLY, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF SORT OF HOW WE PLAN TO BRING ALL OF OUR ELEMENTS TOGETHER.
UH, THIS IS THE RETAIL SITE THAT IS BETWEEN THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING AND THE PARK NEXT TO THE AMPHITHEATER.
AND IT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW WE'RE TRYING TO MARRY EVERYTHING ON THIS SITE UP.
UH, ALL OF THE SORT OF PARK SIDE AMENITIES, UH, UH, THE GREENSCAPE, UH, LAWN AREAS, OUTDOOR SEATING, HUMAN SCALE, UM, YOU KNOW, STRONG, DURABLE MATERIALS THAT ARE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHING A, A SORT OF VILLAGE SCALE.
UH, ALL OF THAT IS REPRESENTED HERE IN ONE WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, AND IS, IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF OUR ULTIMATE GOAL.
UH, THIS SHOT REALLY IS, IS HERE TO SHOW THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR SITE, WHICH IS THIS SORT
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OF PARK-LIKE, UM, NOT PARK-LIKE ACTUAL PARK PATH SYSTEM AND, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, AMENITIES AROUND IT.AND HOW WE PLAN TO TIE THAT DIRECTLY INTO THE REST OF OUR SITE, UH, UH, AND, AND CREATE KIND OF A, UH, A LAYERED APPROACH TO HOW ELEMENTS THAT ARE COMING OFF OF THE, THE PARK CIRCULATION KIND OF, UH, SPREAD IN TO THE, UH, LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS IN THE RETAIL AREA AND VICE VERSA, KIND OF CREATE A SOFT TRANSITION.
UM, REMIND ME, IS THAT THE, IS THE LOWER PATH DOWN THERE, UH, IS THAT PART OF THE GREENWAY, UH, OR THE ALPHA LOOP OR PLANT? YES.
IT'S, IT'S ON THE PORTMAN SIDE OF THE PARK, BUT IT IS, IT IS THE PATH THAT IS EXTENDING ALL THE WAY DOWN, UH, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS IS WHERE IT TIES INTO THE ACTUAL GREENWAY CONNECTION.
AND ON, ON THE RIGHT HERE, THAT CONNECTION THAT'S RUNNING UP ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MULTIFAMILY BUILDING, THAT'S WHAT EXTENDS PAST THE OFFICE BUILDING AND TIES IN DIRECTLY WITH THE RETAIL.
UH, SO AS NOTED, THIS SITE PAGE IS RATHER BRIEF.
UM, PART OF THE REASON IT'S BRIEF IS WE REALLY WANTED TO ONLY FOCUS ON SORT OF THE COMMON ELEMENTS THAT ARE TYING EVERYTHING TOGETHER, FULLY ANTICIPATING EACH OF OUR RETAIL TENANTS TO COME IN AND THROW A WHOLE BUNCH OF ADDITIONAL STUFF ON TOP OF THIS.
UM, BUT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS SORT OF ESTABLISH THE, THE THREADS THAT WILL HELP TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT, UM, A YELLOW BRICK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THROWN OUT THERE.
UH, UNLESS IT MAKES SENSE, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT IT AT A DRB IN THE FUTURE.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE WANTED TO FIND THE ELEMENTS THAT WE COULD USE TO TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
SO, UH, THIS IS PULLING PRIMARILY FROM THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING, UH, SOME OF THE STRATEGIC MATERIALS THAT WE THINK WILL DO THAT JOB, BUT DO IT SUBTLY AND GIVE ROOM FOR, UH, THE SORT OF MORE SPLASHY RETAIL IDENTITY STUFF IN THE FUTURE.
UM, SAME THING WITH THE SITE PALETTE.
THESE ARE STRATEGICALLY SELECTED ELEMENTS FROM THE LANDSCAPE MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN SELECTED OVER THE COURSE OF OUR APPROVAL.
AGAIN, LOOKING AT SORT OF JUST BROADLY THE COLORS AND MATERIALS, TEXTURES THAT WE'LL BE USING THROUGHOUT THE SITE TO PULL EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
UH, VERY INTERESTED IN SORT OF THE COMBINATION OF THE CONCRETES AND WOODS, UM, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF METAL THROWN IN THERE.
SO, AS I MENTIONED AT THE VERY BEGINNING, UH, WE FEEL THAT THE, THE SITE WORK ON THIS SITE, UH, THE LANDSCAPE AND THE, AND THE HARDSCAPE FEATURES AND THE STREETSCAPE REALLY ARE THE BIGGEST, STRONGEST TOOL WE HAVE FOR TYING EVERYTHING TOGETHER, UH, AND ULTIMATELY CREATING A SUCCESSFUL PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT.
SO THAT IS THE FOCUS OF, OR OUR FOCUS TODAY, IT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT OUR RETAIL TENANTS WILL HAVE THE LEAST CONTROL OVER.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS COHESIVE AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPEALING, UH, AND SUCCESSFUL ULTIMATELY.
UH, SO ON THIS, UH, PAGE, AGAIN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO BRIDGE AND MARRY A, A VERY SORT OF NATURE CENTRIC, UH, PARK-LIKE ATMOSPHERE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF FEATURED RETAIL AND OUTDOOR PAVILION AND SEATING ELEMENTS, UM, TO CREATE A MORE FRIENDLY, UH, RETAIL EXPERIENCE, UH, OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE.
AND THEN AS, AS BRETT MENTIONED, EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS SITE IS TO INTRODUCE AS MANY, UH, TREE VARIETIES AS POSSIBLE, INTRODUCE SEASONAL COLORS, MAKE THE SPACE AS DYNAMIC AS POSSIBLE.
AND IT SORT OF PLAYS INTO OUR GOAL TO MAKE THE RETAIL SPACES AS DYNAMIC AS POSSIBLE AS WELL BY GOING THROUGH INDIVIDUAL, UH, REVIEWS AND APP APPROVAL PROCESSES FOR THEM, WE WANTED TO CARRY THAT SAME FRAME OF MIND INTO THE, INTO THE MORE NATURAL ASPECTS OF THE SITE AS WELL.
UH, AND HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT CORE HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF SELECTING, UH, PLANTS AND TREES THAT WILL ACCOMPLISH THAT.
SO THE NEXT COUPLE OF PAGES ARE REALLY JUST GOING THROUGH, UH, THEIR SELECTIONS.
UM, IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT THEY TOOK CARE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THESE PLANTINGS WOULD HAVE DISTINCT AND, UM, AESTHETIC APPEARANCES YEAR ROUND.
UH, SO WE WERE CONSCIENTIOUS OF THAT AS WELL, UH, INCLUDING OUR EVERGREEN SELECTIONS.
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UH, SOME OF OUR SMALLER, UM, GROUND COVER AND MEDIUM SIZED PLANTS.AGAIN, THE IDEA IS TO CREATE VARIETY, UH, UH, AND, UH, ALLOW FOR A, A BROAD AMOUNT OF COLORS AND, AND TEXTURES AND AESTHETICS.
UH, INTRODUCING A LOT OF TALL GRASSES HERE AND THERE.
AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE USING TO, TO MARRY UP THE MORE NATURAL SPACES WITH THE MORE MANICURED TOWN CENTER SPACES.
UH, AND THEN AS WE GET THE SITE, UH, FROM A PLAN VIEW, WE'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING AT THOSE MOMENTS WHERE WE PLAN TO EMPHASIZE OR CREATE MOMENTS OF, OF INTEREST.
UH, AGAIN, TRYING TO CREATE SMALLER POCKET ELEMENTS ACROSS THE SITE, THROUGHOUT THE SITE THAT HELP BREAK IT UP, HELP CREATE SORT OF HUMAN SCALE SPACES.
UH, SO WE PLAN TO USE THE STREETS SCAPES PRETTY HEAVILY TO DO THAT.
UM, UH, BREAKING THEM UP WITH SEATING ARRANGEMENTS, UH, AND, AND BUILT-IN ELEMENTS.
WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE WE'RE USING SCULPTURAL ELEMENTS, NOT JUST MURAL ARTWORK, BUT ALSO PHYSICAL BUILT SCULPTURAL ELEMENTS IN A COUPLE OF KEY PLACES.
UH, IN THIS CASE HERE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SITE, THIS IS A SORT OF THE CENTRAL LOCATION BETWEEN THE MULTIFAMILY OFFICE AND, AND RETAIL SPACES OF THE SITE.
UM, AND AGAIN, REALLY JUST MORE OF THE SAME LOOKING TO THE STREETSCAPE REALLY TO CREATE THE VARIETY ON THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE.
UM, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO AVOID
IT CAME UP ACTUALLY UNEXPECTEDLY IN THE PRE-MEETING.
THE, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO AVOID THAT HOLISTIC, EVERYTHING LOOKS THE SAME DIVISION FEEL, AND WE REALLY WANT TO CREATE THIS REALLY DYNAMIC.
WELL, I, UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL INTERESTED IN CONTINUE ON.
A GOOD JOB OF KIND OF GIVING THIS OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU'RE, I'LL SPEED UP A LITTLE BIT.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT, THAT PREVIOUS AREA, SO THE WHITE BOXES, THE FOUR WHITE BOXES THERE.
NOW, THOSE ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE RESTAURANTS, CORRECT? A FOOD ESTABLISHMENT, I GUESS? CORRECT.
YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT ROUGHLY 50% OF THE RETAIL SPACES ON THE SITE, IF NOT SLIGHTLY MORE THAN THAT, ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE SOME SORT OF FOOD SERVICE.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY HAVE TO HAVE A BACK OF HOUSE FOR THOSE RESTAURANTS OR FOOD SOURCE.
AND THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST AESTHETICALLY PLEASING OR ATTRACTIVE AREAS.
JUST HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, FOCUSED ON THOSE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T, UH, STAND OUT OR THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE THAT MUCH.
THE OTHER THING IS, UH, YOUR GAS METERS, YOUR TRANSFORMERS, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THOSE, YES, I SEE YOUR TRANSFORMERS WERE MARKED, BUT SOME OF THE NECESSARY, UH, NECESSARY.
I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT VERY SPECIFICALLY.
UM, SO THESE FOUR BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE MEANT TO RESTAURANTS, UH, THE RED HATCH THAT YOU CAN SEE SORT OF IN BETWEEN THE, THE BUILDINGS ON THE ENDS AND IN BETWEEN OUR MENTEE, OUTDOOR SEATING, UH, THE, THE AREAS WHERE WE ANTICIPATE, OOPS, UH, WHERE WE ANTICIPATE, UH, BACK OF HOUSE FOR THOSE SPACES IS, UH, ON THE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE NORTH SIDE IS BASICALLY ON THE BACK, UH, BETWEEN THOSE, UH, SCREEN TREES.
AND ON THE SOUTH TWO BUILDINGS, WE'RE CREATING KIND OF A, A FENCED IN ZONE HERE THAT WILL BE BACK A HOUSE FOR THOSE TWO.
YOU'RE THINK YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT, WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT AS WELL.
YES, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY THINKING ABOUT IT.
UH, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE, UH, MULTI-MOBILE TRAIL, UH, WE HAVE DOG PARK SERVICES.
WE HAVE THE, THE FORMAL ENTRY THERE ON THE NORTHWEST END, UH, AND THEN, UH, REALLY THAT, THAT TRAIL CONNECTS ALL THE WAY DOWN, UH, FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
UH, AND THE GOAL IS TO MAKE THAT FEEL AS MUCH LIKE A PARK AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND THEN TO SORT OF TRANSITION THOSE TRADITIONAL PARK AMENITIES INTO SORT OF A MORE TOWN CENTER VILLAGE LIKE AMENITIES AS WE MOVE EAST INTO THE RETAIL SPACES.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THAT IN OUR STREET SCAPE SELECTIONS, UH, WHERE WE HAVE SORT OF THE MORE MODERN WOOD AND METAL ON THE LEFT HERE.
UH, AND THEN ON THE, WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, GRANITE BLOCKS,
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UH, ALL THE WAY TO THESE LARGE, UH, COLUMBIA CASCADIA BENCHES.UH, THE IDEA OF BEING TO TRY TO SORT OF CO-MINGLE THOSE TWO EXPECTATIONS OF SORT OF PARK-LIKE FEATURES AND, UH, MORE URBAN, MORE MODERN FEATURES, UH, AND SORT OF SCATTERING THEM ACROSS THE SITE, UH, ACCORDINGLY.
UM, REALLY LOOKING TO INTRODUCE SORT OF VERY CONTEMPORARY, UH, FEATURES ON THE SITE.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM OUR, OUR VARIOUS WASTE BASKET AND BIKE RACK SELECTIONS.
UM, BUT ALSO VERY INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO PULL SOFTSCAPE INTO THE SITE, EVEN WITH THE USE OF PLANTERS.
UH, AND USING THOSE PLANTERS TO INTRODUCE COLOR AND TEXTURE AND AND SHAPE.
ARE, ARE THE, UH, THE PLANTINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE USING FOR THESE MOVABLE PLANTERS, ARE THEY GONNA BE LIKE DROUGHT RESISTANT TYPE OF THINGS? OR ARE THEY GONNA BE IRRIGATED? 'CAUSE THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT OFTEN HAPPENS WHERE THE INTENTIONS ARE GREAT BUT THE PLANT DIES
UH, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY SOME EXCEPTIONS, BUT, UH, WE ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT A LOT OF THE PLANTERS WILL WIND UP BEING PART OF RETAILERS FRONTAGES, AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE WILL BE PART OF THE DEALS THAT WE, THAT, UH, THAT PORTMAN MAKES WITH THOSE RETAIL TENANTS.
GET, UM, A NOTE ABOUT OBSERVING YOUR EXAMPLES THERE IN THOSE PLANTERS, THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES, THAT THOSE ARE, UM, DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTS AND, AND, AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD WANT TO SEE ANY OF YOUR PLANTERS TO BE, TO BE IRRIGATED.
YEAH, I THINK WITH THE, SINCE THEY'RE, THEY'RE STREET LIFE MOVABLE PLANTERS, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE IRRIGATED, BUT HAND WATERED PROBABLY IS THE, I THINK WAS THE INTENTION.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A NEW TASK TAKEN ON BY A LOT OF CONTRACTORS TO SEND THEIR PICKUP TRUCKS AND THEY'RE WATERING, UH, YES, WATERING TANKS OUT EARLY IN THE MORNING, INCLUDING ALPHARETTA.
UH, AND THEN YES, WE DO SORT OF, KIND OF HAVE A BUS STOP ON THE SITE.
THERE'S ONE ON, UH, BROOKSIDE PARKWAY, UH, DOWN ON THE PHASE TWO PORTION OF THE SITE.
BUT BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS AND BECAUSE THERE IS A POTENTIAL CURB CUT THAT IS MAYBE INTERFERING WITH ITS CURRENT LOCATION, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT IT'LL GET MOVED OR RELOCATED.
AND THE REASON IT'S INCLUDED IN HERE IS DEPENDING ON WHERE BUS ROUTES WIND UP GOING, UM, AND THE CITY MAY WANT TO MOVE THE BUS STOP CLOSER TO THE RETAIL SPACES.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN HERE.
UM, BUT AT THE MOMENT THAT EXISTING BUS STOP IS, IS DOWN ON THE PHASE TWO MUCH CLOSER TO THE, THE CAMPUS SITE, THE UNIVERSITY SITE, UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WAS DONE AT AVALON.
UM, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING, BUT THE IDEA IS TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE ELEVATED THAN THE THE CITY STANDARD.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, DEPENDING ON WHERE THIS IS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUNCH THIS UP A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE LESS UTILITARIAN.
I'M SURE THE, THE DIRT BACKGROUND IS NOT HELPING
UH, AND THEN AGAIN, JUST LOOKING VERY BROADLY AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT GOALS, UH, AND INTENT FOR THE SITE.
UH, WE WANT VERY UNDERSTATED LIGHTING.
IT'S DOING ITS JOB, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S NOT SCREAMING, LOOK AT ME.
EVERYTHING IS, UM, IS SORT OF GROUND AND USE CENTRIC LIGHTING, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE EXCEPTION OF SOME LIGHTING FOR SIGNAGE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT AGAIN, THE GOAL IS SOFT, GLOWING, UNOBTRUSIVE LIGHTING THROUGHOUT.
UM, AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF FIXTURES THAT WE PLAN TO USE TO ACHIEVE THAT.
UH, AS YOU'LL SEE, A LOT OF THE LIGHTING IS, IS IN-GROUND LIGHTING OR UP LIGHTING.
UH, WE PLAN TO USE FOR, UH, LIGHTING THE SOFTSCAPE, UH, AND ALSO, UH, PENDANT LIGHTS AND WALL MOUNTED LIGHTS ALL DESIGNED TO, UH, CREATE SORT OF SOFT GLOWS HERE AND THERE.
ON A POINT ABOUT THAT, I DO COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR LIGHTING SELECTIONS BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS A BETTER RULE OF THUMB
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TO SEE THE RESULT OF THE LIGHT OTHER THAN THE SOURCE OF THE LIGHT.BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE, OVER HERE ON RO, OLD ROSWELL STREET, THE, UH, THE LIGHT BOLLARDS, YOU'RE STARING AT THE SOURCE OF THE LIGHT INSTEAD OF MORE SO THE, THE THE, THE RESULT OF IT.
THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT TO OUR WHOLE TEAM.
UH, AND, AND THEN AGAIN, ON THAT POINT,
UH, UH, BUT THIS GIVES YOU A SORT OF A, A HOLISTIC APPROACH OF STYLISTICALLY KIND OF WHAT WE'VE HOPING TO ACHIEVE.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT CREATING VARIETY AND, AND, AND A DYNAMIC SPACE.
UH, FROM THE, UM, FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE, HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED ANY AREAS ON THE BUILDINGS FOR MURALS OR IS THIS JUST MORE, UH, WE, WE DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE SPOT FOR A MURAL ON THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING.
UH, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE STARTED IDENTIFYING MORE THAN, UH, IN THE SITE PLAN.
SO THE, THE LANDSCAPE, UH, PLANS TO IDENTIFY A OF MURAL OPPORTUNITY LOCATIONS.
UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN INTO THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT THOSE ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE YET.
WELL, IT'S GLAD YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT AHEAD OF TIME RATHER THAN AND AFTER THE FACT OR AFTER THE THOUGHT SO THAT IT'S PLANNED TO, TO, TO, UH, COMPLIMENT AND FIT IN WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDINGS.
AND LASTLY, WE HAVE SORT OF THE COMPLIMENT TO THE ART ON THE SITE IS THE SIGNAGE.
UH, WE FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY THAT THE TWO ARE BASICALLY THE SAME.
UH, AND WE WILL BE TRYING VERY HARD TO SORT OF MARRY UP, UH, OUR ART INSTALLATIONS WITH OUR SIGNAGE INSTALLATIONS AND GET THEM TO, TO BE AS COHESIVE AND COMPATIBLE AS POSSIBLE, UH, AND PLAY OFF OF EACH OTHER.
UH, AND THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT HERE ON THIS PAGE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE KIND OF THIS VERY DYNAMIC DIVERSE VILLAGE LIKE ATMOSPHERE.
SO WE PLAN TO PUSH OUR RETAIL TENANTS TO COME UP WITH AS DIVERSE AND INTERESTING A SELECTION OF, OF SIGNAGE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, HENCE WHY WE'RE SHOWING THE VARIETY THAT WE ARE ON THIS PAGE.
AND THAT'S REALLY IT WITH, AGAIN, THE, THE FOCUS OF THIS DOCUMENT IS TO, TO ILLUSTRATE THE SORT OF THE LITTLE THINGS THAT WE PLAN TO USE TO TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER WITH THE ANTICIPATION OF THERE BEING PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DESIGN MOVES BY EACH INDIVIDUAL TENANT, UH, TO INTRODUCE, UM, VARIETY AND DYNAMIC SPACES.
WELL, I THINK, UH, I'M NOT GONNA READ, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL CONDITION NUMBER 31, BUT I THINK THIS COVERS ALMOST ALL THE, UH, THE ITEMS AND EVERYTHING IDENTIFIED IN THAT CONDITION.
SO THE, THE DESIGN GUIDE DOES AT LEAST.
SO, UH, UM, AND I KNOW PART OF THAT IS HAVING THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD APPROVE THE DESIGN GUIDE BOOKLET AS WELL AS STAFF LOOK AT IT TOO.
SO I, I ASSUME STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT.
ANY, HAS STAFF HAD ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR, OKAY.
I'VE, I'VE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF NOTES ABOUT REVIEWING YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, IT'S, AS YOU, AS YOU'VE NOTED, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT A, A, UH, A MARVELOUS ESSENCE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESENT HERE.
UH, THESE ARE NOTES TO TAKE BACK TO YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE OFFICE.
UH, IF WE'RE ON PAGE 20, THE LOOK AND FEEL AND IMAGERY, I'M CURIOUS WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO EXPRESS WITH THAT UPPER RIGHT SQUARE.
IT LOOKS LIKE A, A, A CONTROLLED BURN IN A SOUTH GEORGIA PINE FOREST
UH, I, AND MAYBE THAT'S THE CREEK.
YEAH, I SUSPECT THAT'S JUST A REPRESENTATION OF THE EXISTING TREES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT ON THE, ON THE PARK SITE.
AND I, I, I HAVE GREAT MEMORIES OF THIS ENTIRE SPACE BECAUSE BEFORE ANY OF THIS WAS DEVELOPED, UM, 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO, MY WIFE USED TO RIDE HER HORSE THROUGH THIS AREA AND IT WAS A GOSH, AMAZING.
QUITE A, UH, WONDERLAND MOVING, FIR MOVING ON TO THE RIGHT, GETTING TO THE, UM, PAGE 25, THE, UH, PLANT PALETTE OF DECIDUOUS PLANT.
HAVE YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT REVIEW THIS ONE BECAUSE HALF OF THESE ARE NOT DECIDUOUS,
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THEY ARE EVERGREEN AND THAT YOU MAY WANT TO, UH, DESIGNATE THAT.AND ON THE ORNAMENTAL ON THE NEXT PAGE, THE ORNAMENTAL GRASSES PAGE AND PERENNIALS, THERE'S SOME, UH, DISPARITY IN THE PHOTOGRAPH IN THE NAME OF A CAPTION THAT DON'T MATCH THAT THEY CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
I DO, UH, COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR ALBERTON GRANITE BLOCK SEAT BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S AN INDIGENOUS GEORGIA MATERIAL AND OFTENTIMES WE DON'T USE INDIGENOUS GEORGIA GRANITE AND IT'S NICE TO SEE IT HERE.
SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY COMMENTS ON THAT.
JUST ONE, ONE OTHER THING ON, ON LANDSCAPING, UM, FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, YOU HAVE A RIVER BIRCH IN HERE ON YOUR, IN YOUR PALLET AND, UH, IT'S A GOOD LOOKING TREE, BUT IT'S A VERY MESSY TREE
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A LOT OF CLEANUP AROUND WHEREVER YOU PUT THOSE TREES.
SO MAYBE THEY HAVE A NEWER VERSION OF THE RIVER BIRCH CLEAN, THE CLEAN RIVER BIRCH
SO IT'S FINE IF YOU WANT TO USE IT.
IT JUST, UH, IT, IT DOES DROP A LOT OF THINGS.
UM, MAYBE THAT'S A NOTE THAT, UH, STAFF COULD TAKE BACK TO DAVID SHAT STACK ABOUT SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING ITEMS THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN SWITCH OUT OR MAKE SURE THE PLANTS ARE IDENTIFIED ACCURATELY.
ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE HAVE ANY MOTION, PARDON ME, RICHARD, THERE WAS, THERE WAS ONE TREE NOTE THAT I, THAT I OVERLOOKED.
UH, IT'S COMMENDABLE TO SEE THE VARIETY OF TREE COLOR THAT YOU'RE USING.
'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MISS AN OPPORTUNITY ONTO.
BUT I, BUT I WOULD NOTE TO YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UH, REGARDING ON PAGE 21, YOU HAVE AN AUTUMN BLAZE RED MAPLE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT GREEN LEAF, THIS TREE IS A CULTIVAR OF A SILVER MAPLE.
AND ANY OF YOU WHO MOVED INTO A HOUSE THAT HAS SILVER MAPLES IN THE YARD, YOU, YOU HAVE RUDE RULE THE DAY THAT IT WAS THERE, AND YOU'VE PROBABLY TAKEN 'EM OUT ALREADY.
IT'S, IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE TRASHY TREES THAT CAN BE TRASHY.
YES, RICHARD, I HAVE ONE OF THOSE TREES IN MY YARD AND IT DOES GET THE, I WISH I HAD PLANTED SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.
UM, BEFORE WE HAVE, UM, RICHARD, I'M GONNA MAKE ONE COMMENT REAL QUICK JUST ABOUT THE OVERALL PRESENTATION THAT I REALLY APPRECIATED.
UM, THE WAY THAT YOU SET THE CONTEXT AND, AND, AND EXPLAINED THE INTENT BEHIND A LOT OF THE SELECTIONS, I JUST THINK DID A REALLY NICE JOB OF SETTING THE, UH, FOUNDATION FOR KIND OF WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING, WHY THE SELECTIONS WERE MADE.
AND I KNOW I'M ONE OF THE NEWER MEMBERS OF THE DRB AND I KNOW SOMETIMES WE JUMP STRAIGHT INTO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING MATERIALS AND LANDSCAPE SELECTIONS AND DON'T ENTIRELY UNDERSTAND THE WHY AND, AND THE INTENT BEHIND IT.
UM, AND I KNOW FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED LOOKING AT THIS ORIGINALLY WAS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDING MATERIALS FELT A LITTLE BIT UNIFORM AND YOU EXPLAINED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RETAIL BOXES ARE GONNA INTRODUCE THE VARIETY.
UM, AND SO JUST THE OVERALL INTENTIONALITY BEHIND IT AND THE STRATEGY BEHIND IT, I THOUGHT WAS REALLY HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING, UM, REALLY THE INTENT BEHIND WHAT YOU CHOSE AND, AND GAVE SOME GREAT CONTEXT.
SO JUST WANTED TO COMMEND YOU ON THAT AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE FROM BOARD MEMBERS THIS MORNING? ALRIGHT, I'LL ASK FOR, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING DRB 2 5 0 0 3 9 PORTMAN RESIDENTIAL MOTION TO APPROVE THE DESIGN GUIDE AS PRESENTED WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THE CORRECTIONS DISCUSSED TODAY.
AND CONSIDER THE COMMENTS ON THE LANDSCAPING RELATED TO SOME OF THE TREE SELECTIONS AND SOME OF THE PLANTINGS THAT ARE NON DECIDUOUS DECIDUOUS.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SWING, A SECOND BY MR. OWENS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE BEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.
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OKAY.THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING.
UM, MAKE SURE YOU, IF YOU'LL SPEAK AT THE MICROPHONE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF THIS MORNING.
UH, MY HOME ADDRESS IS NINE 40 CHAMPIONS FAIRWAY DRIVE IN MILTON SLASH ALPHARETTA.
UM, I'M OPENING UP TRADE ELLI AT THREE SOUTH MAIN STREET.
I LIVE AT 4 0 8 WILSHIRE LANE, CANTON, GEORGIA 3 0 1 1 5.
UM, GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OR OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE A PACKET TODAY.
WHY DON'T YOU START OUT WITH A LITTLE OVERVIEW OF THE RESTAURANT ITSELF? UH, SURE.
UM, I'M GONNA DO A APPROACHABLE, AFFORDABLE RESTAURANT, KIND OF HOW RESTAURANTS USED TO BE, UM, STYLE, COMFORT FOOD, ITALIAN, NEW YORK, ITALIAN BASED, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION ARE, UH, 5:00 PM TO NINE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND FIVE TO 10 FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
UM, NOT PASSING ON CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES, KIND OF JUST TAKING A STEP BACK TO WHAT RESTAURANTS USED TO BE.
I MEAN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVE A WIFE AND THREE KIDS AND IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO GO OUT TO EAT.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE COULD DO IT THE OLD WAY IF YOU DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
AND I THINK THAT IT COULD BE SUCCESSFUL.
OBVIOUSLY THE MARGINS ARE WHAT COME TO PLAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK ON THE BACKEND AND I SELL RESTAURANTS.
I, I USED TO OWN SOUTH MAIN KITCHEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT IT COULD BE DONE BETTER AND EVERYBODY SEEMS TO SELL BURGERS AND FRIES AND WINGS AND I'M NOT GONNA DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
SO I KIND OF JUST WANNA OFFER SOMETHING ELSE.
AND I REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL THAT THEY CAN COME THREE DAYS A WEEK WITH THE FAMILY AND GET AN AFFORDABLE MEAL.
AND THEN I THINK IF I APPROACH IT IN THAT FASHION, I THINK I SHOULD BE BUSY ENOUGH THAT I CAN MAKE IT JUST FINE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S A REGULAR OLD RESTAURANT, BUT THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD BE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
SO I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE SIGN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, TO PUT ON THE BUILDING.
UH, THIS ISN'T AN EXACT DUPLICATE, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A BACKLIT CHANNEL S INDIVIDUALLY MOUNTED TO THE BUILDING.
UH, A OBVIOUSLY AN OPAQUE FRONT BLACK WITH A GOLD TRIM AROUND IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE LETTERS WOULD LOOK LIKE INDIVIDUALLY.
AND I KNOW BRETT SPOKE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ON MOUNTING THE SIGN TO THE BUILDING.
UH, OUR INTENT HERE IS REPRESENTED IS THEY WILL BE MOUNTED, UH, TWO INCHES OFF THE BUILDING.
EACH LETTER WILL BE INDIVIDUALLY MOUNTED, TWO INCHES OFF THE BUILDING WITH BACKLIGHTING TO CREATE THAT HALO LIGHTING EFFECT.
UM, WE, THERE'S, THERE'S A BIT OF A CHALLENGE AS TO HOW WE GET ELECTRICITY TO IT.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE POTENTIALLY IN THE PICTURE, THE AWNING, THAT CEMENT AWNING DOES HAVE LIGHTS HANGING IN THE CENTER OF IT DOWN.
UH, WHEN WE GET UP THERE TO LOOK AT HOW THE ELECTRICITY IS GETTING TO THOSE LIGHTS, WE HAPPEN TO RUN INTO, UH, INSPECTOR WELLS.
UH, AND HE HELPED US UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CEMENT AWNING ACTUALLY HAS AN INTERIOR CHANNEL THAT THE WIRES ARE RUN THROUGH.
SO WHEN YOU GET UP ON TOP OF THE AWNING, YOU SEE NO ELECTRICAL SOURCES.
UM, SO OUR, OUR THOUGHT IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO NOT PENETRATE THE BUILDING TO PUSH THE WIRES ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
UH, BUT UM, AS YOU SEE THE, THE WIRES COME OUT OF THE BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING OR OUT, OUT OF THE BOTTOM OF THE LETTER.
AND FROM THERE WE WOULD USE A, A CONDUIT OR WIRE MOLD TO COME DOWN TO THE, THE AWNING.
AND THEN FROM THE, IN, IN MY PICTURE, THE RIGHT EDGE OF THAT AWNING, THERE'S ALREADY A PENETRATION IN THE BUILDING FOR SOME SECURITY WIRES, SECURITY CAMERA WIRING.
WE CAN BRING AN ELECTRICAL OUT THROUGH THAT AND UP TO THE TOP OF THE ON AND THEN MAKE ALL THE CONNECTIONS ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BUILDING.
SO NOBODY WILL SEE IT FROM THE ROAD.
UH, BUT WE CAN RUN, UH, A JUNCTION BOX UP THERE AND THEN RUN ALL THE WIRES TO THAT CONNECTION.
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE RE RELATED TO THAT? IF THERE WAS A WAY TO PENETRATE THE FACADE JUST ONE TIME, IS THERE A ROUTE THAT YOU COULD GO PENETRATE? FOR THE, FOR THE ELECTRICAL.
'CAUSE THERE IS ONE, RIGHT? THERE'S, I GET UP THERE.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY PENETRATIONS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BUILDING CURRENTLY.
THE THE THOUGHT THAT I HAD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY THINKS THIS MIGHT WORK,
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BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT ANY RACEWAYS RIGHT.AND IN LOOKING AT YOUR SIGN, ONE WAY TO OVERCOME THAT IS IF YOU HAD A BLACK WITH GOLD TRIM LINE RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE LETTERING MM-HMM
SO IT, IT'S PART OF THE DESIGN.
YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET ALL THE WIRING IN THERE AND THEN JUST PENETRATE THE BUILDING ONCE, AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF, DO, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YES.
THAT'S SOMETHING CERTAINLY WE CAN LOOK AT.
WE'RE QUITE HONESTLY STILL WORKING WITH MARK MARCUS'S ELECTRICIAN TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO, TO ACTUALLY GET, UH, THE ELECTRICAL SOURCE OUT TO THE SIGN.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE LETTERS, 'CAUSE THEY'RE IN CURSIVE, ARE CONNECTED, RIGHT? SO DOES THAT MEAN LIKE THE, THE IN THE FRATELLI? THE, THE R, THE A, THE T, THE E, THE LL AND I ONLY HAVE ONE? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, BUT IN THEORY THERE MAY BE STILL FOUR FOR ELECTRICAL INDIVIDUAL CONDUITS, CONDUITS, OR WIRING.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THOUGHT I WAS THINKING OF MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S SOME SORT OF A BACKGROUND A AN OVERALL BACKGROUND THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF NOT, IT'S, YOU SEE THE LETTERS ON A BACKGROUND AND THEN THAT BACKGROUND IS IS, THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION.
I, I LIKE IT BUILDING, BUT I, IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO, YES.
I LIKE, I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE AND NOT SEE WIRE MOLDS OR CONDUIT OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE COMING.
I, I'M SORRY I INTERRUPTED THE OWNER TOO.
I THINK I REALLY LIKE THE THOUGHT MR. OWEN OF, OF HAVING THAT LINE UNDERNEATH IT.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE TRICKING, UH, A RACEWAY, BUT IT'S IT'S PART OF THE DESIGN.
UM, I LIKE IT BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY I THINK JIM AND I KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, IN MOST CASES YOU WOULD PUT A BACKER PANEL HERE JUST SO YOU DON'T HAVE SO MANY BRICK PENETRATIONS FROM THE LETTERS THEMSELVES.
UM, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAKE THE BRICK PENETRATIONS IN THE MORTAR AS WE SAW LAST MONTH, THAT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS A REALLY CLEAN REPAIR LATER ON.
SO, BUT I, I LIKE THE THOUGHT OF THIS WITHOUT THE BACKUP PANEL BECAUSE I, I, I DON'T THINK YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO, THEY WOULD'VE PUT A BACKER PANEL UP THERE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ILLUMINATED.
SO THEY JUST WOULD'VE STUCK THE LETTERS UP THERE.
SO I, I THINK THAT THOUGHT OF A ACCENT LINE UNDERNEATH IT AND SERVING AS A RACEWAY.
TO THEIR POINT KIND OF TRICKING CONNECTION.
EVERYBODY INTO THINKING IT'S A RACEWAY, BASICALLY A DESIGNED IN RACEWAY.
SO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT RIGHT DOOR ABOVE THAT DOOR, THERE IS A SECURITY CAMERA AND A SPEAKER.
SO THERE IS A CONDUIT THAT DOES COME IN FROM OUTSIDE.
SO THERE IS POWER THERE AND I, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WE CAN, WHICH YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT JUST EXTEND FROM THAT UP ONTO THE AWNING AND PULL POWER UP THAT WAY.
SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT FROM ANYTHING, UH, FROM, FROM THE ROAD.
THE IDEA IS TO MAKE IT LOOK CLEAN.
UM, SO I, I MEAN I THINK THE LINE UNDER IT IS GREAT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
AND WE CAN DO THE LINE WITH THE GOLD TRIM.
SO IT LOOKS JUST LIKE THE LETTERS.
YEAH, I THINK YOU JUST SOMEHOW, YEP.
SO THEN HOW, HOW DO YOU GET THE POWER TO IT? YOU WOULD COME UP FROM THE AWNING.
THERE'S, THERE'S A, A PENETRATION IN THE BUILDING CURRENTLY AT THE RIGHT END OF THE AWNING UNDERNEATH THE AWNING, UH, WHERE THE SECURITY CAMERA WIRES.
SO IT'D BE A PENETRATION THROUGH THE BUILDING.
SO WE JUST COME OUT, WE TAKE A, A WIRE OUT THAT SAME PENETRATION WHEREVER THAT WOULD WRAP IT AROUND THE, THE AWNING BECAUSE THE OLD BUTCHER AND BRUCE SIGN WAS LIT.
THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE AWNING.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU GO UP THERE, THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
I SAID, JIM, THERE'S POWER UP THERE FOR SURE.
WE WENT UP THERE ON THE LADDER AND I SAID, THERE'S NOTHING HERE.
I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS, BUT YEAH.
BUT IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BUTCHER BREW, YEAH.
THERE IS A CONDUIT COMING UP, CONDUIT COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING AND THERE'S A A, AN ELECTRICAL BOX ATTACHED TO THAT.
YOU MEAN SHACK? I'M SORRY, WHAT DID I SAY? BOAT, CHAMBER SHACK.
SH AND SHACK ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE.
HE'S PUT AN ELECTRICAL STRIP OUT THERE AND PLUGGED SOME, JUST SOME SPOTLIGHTS IN TO SHINE UP ON THE, THE SHUCK AND SHACK SIGN.
UM, SO WE'RE EFFECTIVELY TALKING ABOUT DOING THE SAME THING AT MARCUS'S END OF THE, OF THE HONOR.
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A CONDUIT.HARDWIRED THROUGH A CONDUIT, NO OUTLETS.
EVERYTHING WOULD BE INTO A JUNCTION BOX.
I'M NOT DOING CHRISTMAS LIGHTS, ANYTHING SIGNS.
IT'LL JUST BE ONE HOLE THAT GOES, GOES THROUGH THE BREAK.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DON'T SEE ANY WI WIRE, CORRECT.
AND I, OKAY, IF THE HOLE'S ALREADY THERE, THAT'S GREAT.
THOSE CONDUIT ACTUALLY, AND I GUESS, AND I GUESS WE ADDRESS THIS, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT NOW TO MOUNT THE INDIVIDUAL LETTERS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME, SOME HOLES OR PENETRATIONS IN THE BRICK.
AND LIKE FOR THE, FOR THE T FOR INSTANCE, HOW MANY, HOW MANY ANCHOR THAT? LIKE TWO? IT WOULD BE THREE.
AND THEN FOR THE RE YOU'VE GOT HOW MANY, YOU PROBABLY HAVE FOUR ON THAT.
JIM, WOULD YOU HAVE TO, IF YOU DO THE LINE UNDERNEATH, COULD YOU MOUNT THEM TO THE LOCK TO THE, TO THAT, BECAUSE THEN THEY'D BE ALL CONNECTED AND, AND THEN HAVE YEAH.
NOT HAVE ANYTHING ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING.
NOT HAVE SO MANY, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE PROBABLY SIX.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE FOUR ON EVERY LETTER.
IF WE MOUNTED THE LETTERS TO THAT QUOTE UNQUOTE RACEWAY, A DECORATIVE RACEWAY OH YEAH.
THEN IT'S ALL HEALTHY TOGETHER THEN, THEN WE WOULD HAVE FEWER PER LETTER PENETRATIONS.
AND THEN ARE, ARE YOU DOING THE PENETRATIONS IN THE BRICK IN THE MORTAR JOINTS OR ARE YOU DOING IT WHEREVER THE, WHEREVER THE FASTENERS FALL IN THE LETTER, FOR INSTANCE? WELL, IT'S, 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE, WE WOULD TRY TO DO AS MANY MORTAR JOINTS AS POSSIBLE, BUT WHEN THE LETTERS FABRICATED RIGHT.
THE, THOSE MOUNT POINTS ARE FABRICATED INTO THE LETTER.
UH, I, I WANNA SAY I, I DO THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, CONVERSATION.
I KNOW LA LAST MONTH WE REVIEWED THE MEDITERRANEAN RESTAURANT THAT, UM, IS UM, IS IS DOWNTOWN.
UH, AND THEY ARE, IT'S TURNING INTO A NEW RESTAURANT.
AND WHILE I, I HOPE THIS RESTAURANT LASTS A VERY LONG TIME AND I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT CONCEPT.
UM, IF THERE IS A CHANGE, SUDDENLY YOU'VE GOT HOLES IN A VERY HISTORIC BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN ALPHARETTA THAT HAS A LOT OF HISTORY.
AND SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO BE VERY, VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT IN THIS, THESE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS.
IF YOU GET UP THERE, YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF OTHER SIGNS UP THERE.
THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THE IDEA FROM WHEN YOU COULD SEE THAT THERE WAS A WALL MOUNTED THAT SOMEBODY TOOK OFF.
WHEN WE TAKE SIGNS DOWN, OUR CHALLENGES IS TO REPAIR AS BEST WE CAN AT A MINIMUM FILL, FILL THOSE HOLES WITH SILICONE.
SO BUGS AND WEATHER DOES GET IN THERE.
ONE THING THAT WE POTENTIALLY CAN DO IS THE RACE WILL OBVIOUSLY WILL BE A STRAIGHT LINE.
SO WE CAN LINE THAT UP WITH A MORTAR JOINT AND THEN WE COULD DO SOME MEASUREMENTS OFF OF THAT MORTAR JOINT TO THE OTHER HORIZONTAL MORTAR JOINTS AND PUT THE MOUNTING POINTS ON THE LETTERS MEASURED UP TO THAT, THAT PARTICULAR POINT TO ATTEMPT TO GET INTO THE MORTAR JOINTS AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.
IT'S ALSO EASIER TO ATTACH USING THE MORTAR JOINTS.
IT, INSTEAD OF DRILLING INTO THE BRICK.
IT'S A LOT EASIER TO DRILL INTO THE MORTAR JOINT.
ANY OTHER, UM, DOES, DOES EVERYBODY LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A UH, I GUESS AN UNDERLYING KIND OF AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN THERE? YES.
I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO, TO BE IT JUST FOR ONE YEAH.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THOUGH THAT THE, THE WIDTH OF IT IS THE SAME AS THE LETTERS.
THAT IT'S NOT LIKE A SIX INCH UNDERLINE THAT LOOKS LIKE YEAH, WE'LL YES.
AND IT WOULD BE THE GOLD OUTLINE WITH THE BLACK IN THE CENTER.
WHENEVER WE'RE PUTTING LEDS INTO A CHANNEL LETTER, WE NEED AN AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF AN INCH AND A HALF OF STROKE, WHICH STROKE IS THE WIDTH OF THE LETTER YEP.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST AN INCH AND A HALF.
UM, AND YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO COLLECT ALL THE, THE WIRES.
SO TWO TO THREE INCHES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN I GUESS THAT UNDERLINE WILL HAVE TO CONNECT THE FIRST LETTER IN THE SIGN AND THE LAST LETTER IN THE SIGN RIGHT.
THE WIRES FOR EACH LETTER WOULD GO INTO THAT.
AND THEY WOULD ALL GO TO A, A CONNECTION POINT AT A OBJECT BOX AT THAT POINT.
AND THE LINE IS ALSO BACK LIT, I GUESS, RIGHT? YES, JUST LIKE THE LETTERS.
CURIOUS, UM, THE, THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE ILLUMINATION BEHIND IT.
HOW DO WE, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT THE BRIGHTNESS IS AND THAT IT FITS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THAT IT ISN'T GOING TO BE A VERY BRIGHT GAUDY GLOW.
I'M, I'M SURE IT'S NOT, BUT LIKE, JUST CURIOUS, HOW
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DO WE DETERMINE THAT? SO YEAH, SO I LOOK AT THE, THE KELVIN SCALE THAT THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT WITH THEIR, UM, IN THEIR SIGN PERMIT.AND WE'VE, THROUGH OUR DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE FOR SIGNAGE WE'VE CHOSEN, AND DON'T QUOTE ME, BUT I THINK IT'S 2K TO 5K IS THE, IS THE REALM.
SO WE DON'T GET THAT REALLY WHITE LIGHT AND WE DON'T GET THAT REALLY, REALLY YELLOW LIGHT EITHER.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, SO AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER NO IT IS TO, TO LOOK AT THAT.
WELL, I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT THE APPLICATIONS, AS LONG AS I REMEMBER TO, TO LOOK AT THAT APPLICATION, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FIVE.
'CAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME THAT HAVE COME AT EIGHT, NINE KELVIN.
AND SO I'M, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT SO NOW SPEAKING OF THAT, WE MAY CHANGE THAT FOR OTHER AREAS BECAUSE OF BRIGHTER WHITE OR SOMETHING MAY WORK IN SOME AREAS, BUT WE CHOSE DOWNTOWN.
WE WANTED THAT MORE MUTED LIGHT COLORS AND EVERYTHING INSIDE IS 2,700.
SO IT'S GOT THAT AMBER MM-HMM
GLOW TO IT, BUT IT'S NOT SO YOU'RE GONNA WANT VERY SIMILAR YEAH.
IF NOT EXACT ON THE SIGNAGE AS WELL, SO IT DOESN'T REFLECT A DIFFERENT FEEL.
ALTHOUGH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE 2,700 INSIDE, I GUESS THAT GETS YOU COLOR.
I GUESS THAT TELLS YOU COLOR TEMPERATURE, IT DOESN'T TELL YOU BRIGHTNESS.
SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A, I I THINK IT RELATES.
YEAH, IT, IT, IT DEFINITELY RELATES THE, THE, THE, THE HIGHER THE NUMBER, THE BRIGHTER IT'S GOING TO, THE BRIGHTER THE BRIGHTER IT LOOKS FOR SURE.
THE, THE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT SOMEWHAT AFFECTS HOW BRIGHT THIS MIGHT BE IS HOW FAR OFF THEY SET IT AS WELL, WHICH WE ALSO DESCRIBED IN DOWNTOWN, I THINK WAS MAXIMUM TWO AND A HALF MAYBE.
IS THAT STANDOFF FOR A, FOR A HALO THING.
SO WE DIDN'T GET THE REALLY BIG LOW, WE GOT MORE OF A, A DEFINED GLOW.
AND IN THIS CASE IT'S MOUNTED ON BRICK SO IT'S NOT AS REFLECTIVE OF A SURFACE.
SO THAT'S DIFFUSED A A LOT OF IT.
YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING THAT, THAT DISTANCE AFFECTS IS SHADOWS.
WHEN THE SUN'S SHINING, IF IT IT'S WAY OFF THE BUILDING, YOU GET A BIG SHADOW THAT'S OFF CENTER TO, TO THE SIDE.
UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO WE WANNA CRAFT A, A MOTION PLEASE.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, REGARDING DRB 2 6 0 0 0 9 3 SOUTH MAIN STREET, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S SIGNAGE AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UM, SIGNAGE WILL NOT, WILL, WILL HAVE NO VISIBLE WIRING, CONDUIT OR, UH, JUNCTION BOXES.
UH, THE APPLICANT WILL ADD A LINE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGNAGE, SIMILAR IN WIDTH TO LETTERING, UM, ACROSS THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN TO ALLOW FOR COLLECTION OF ALL WIRING.
THE LINE WILL HAVE A GOLD OUTLINE TO MATCH THE REST OF THE SIGNAGE.
UM, THE APPLICANT SHALL MAKE ALL CONNECTION POINTS, UH, FOR THE SIGNAGE INTO MORTAR JOINTS, UM, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE VERSUS THE MASONRY.
UM, THE APPLICANT WILL CENTER THE SIGN OVER THE ENTRANCE DOOR AND A MOTION.
WE HAVE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. ROW AND A SECOND BY MR. SWING.
SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO FINISH WRITING DOWN SOME OF YOUR, GOT IT.
UM, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION THAT WAS PRETTY THOROUGH? COVERED? I THINK YOU COVERED EVERYTHING.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE POINT THAT YOU SAID.
UH, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY THAT THE LINE WILL BE BACKLIT AND SO WE WON'T THAT'S OKAY.
I THINK IT'S INFERRED IN OUR DISCUSSION, SO, OKAY.
I DID, I DID HEAR THE GOLD OUTLINE ON THE, ON THE LINE, SO YEAH.
UH, THERE BE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
I FEEL COMPELLED TO SAY AGAIN.
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THE PRESENTATION AND THE OPENING WHERE YOU EXPLAINED WHAT THE RESTAURANT WAS AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR IN THE MARKET YOU'RE GOING FOR WAS SUPER HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU CHOSE THE, UM, THE, THE SIMPLISTIC SIGN.'CAUSE IT MODELS THE SIMPLISTIC NATURE OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR AND IT JUST, IT HELPS THE DISCUSSION SO MUCH AND HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT RESTAURANT.
WHEN DO YOU OPEN? UM, HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS IN AN HOUR.
SO WE'LL BE LICENSED I THINK TODAY.
SO MIDDLE OF JUNE AT THE LATEST.
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UM, IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF THIS MORNING AND THEN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO YOUR, YOUR DOWNTOWN STORE, PLEASE.
THANKS GUYS FOR HAVING ME HERE.
I AM WITH PUBLIX REAL ESTATE AND PUBLIX MARKETS FROM LAKELAND, FLORIDA.
WE OWN THE CENTER RIGHT HERE IN ALPHARETTA, SO WE'RE TRYING TO REPAINT IT, UM, AND TRYING TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, WHAT THE INSIDE WAS WHERE WE DID A REMODEL LAST YEAR.
UM, LATER THIS YEAR WE'RE ALSO GONNA PUT A NEW ROOF ON IT, SO THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF ANY ROOF LEAKS THAT WE DO HAVE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT FOR TODAY, UH, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE EXTERIOR REPAINT.
UM, AND THEN DO YOU NEED MY PERSONAL ADDRESS BY ANY CHANCE OR? NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
AND I HAVE PHYSICAL COLOR SAMPLES IF YOU GUYS WANNA SEE THEM.
WHY? WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT, PLEASE.
AND THERE'S A SECOND YOU HOLD ONTO THAT SO YOU CAN SHOW THEM WHICH COLOR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ARE THOSE BEING PASSED? LET'S SEE, DID YOU JUST HAVE ONE SET OF SAMPLES? YEP.
I PUT HIM IN ORDER OR TRY TO PUT HIM IN ORDER.
OH, IS THAT, I SAY THERE'S MR. PUBLIX HIMSELF.
UH, WE WANT TO ENHANCE THE VISUAL APPEAL OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, IT'S BEEN THIS BROWN COLOR FOR QUITE A, A WHILE AND THE CITY HAS DEVELOPED, UH, DOWNTOWN REALLY WELL.
SO WE WANT TO KIND OF BE IN A SIMILAR, UH, COLOR SCHEME OF THAT AS WELL.
UH, HOPEFULLY THAT THE COLORS AREN'T TOO, UM, GRAY FOR YOU GUYS.
I KNOW WE HAD SOME COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT THAT, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING WORK.
UH, WE ALSO WANNA MAINTAIN THE, UM, LIKE I SAID, REFRESH UNIFIED APPEARANCE WITH A BROADER, UH, STREET SCAPE.
UM, AND THEN JUST KIND OF MATCH OUR INTERIOR OF THE STORE AS WELL.
SO WE WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO PAINT ANY BRICK, BUT WE DO WANNA WASH AND, UH, SEAL ALL OF THEM.
AND THEN THE EXTERIOR PAINTS, UH, WE'RE USING THE PPG SUPPLIED COLOR SCHEME AND THAT IS OUR VENDOR PITTSBURGH PAINTS THAT, UM, HAD PROVIDED THESE DRAWING FOR US.
AND THEN I'LL, I'LL HAVE SHOW SOME PHOTOS OF THE CURRENT CONDITION SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CURRENTLY, AND THEN KIND OF GO INTO THE ACTUAL RENDERINGS.
UM, AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE TO BE CHANGED.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT OF SIDE OF THE PUBLIX, KIND OF THE MIDDLE, LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE OF THE ACTUAL, UH, RETAIL SHOP.
I REMEMBER GOING THERE BEFORE MY TIME FOR SURE.
BUT I'VE SEEN THEM IN OUR, IN OUR LEASE FILES.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE SIGNS, A PHOTO OF ONE.
UM, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
UH, THE SECOND TIME THAT WE HAVE NOW THE PROPOSED RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT WERE PROVIDED BY PPG.
UM, THIS IS A COLOR SCHEME THAT THEY CAME UP FOR OUR CENTER.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH, UH, JUST A FEW OF THEM AND I CAN ALSO HAVE THE PAPER COPY, PAPER COPIES IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO SEE THEM OR NOT.
AND THEN YOU GUYS ALL HAVE THIS MAYBE? YES, I THINK THAT'S ALL BEEN ALL.
AND I THINK WE HAD A MAIN CONVERSATION, UM, DURING THE WORKSHOP.
WAS THIS LEFT SIDE BY THE SALON? I BELIEVE
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IT WAS.I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, MAR JUST BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, MAYBE THE FIRST OR SECOND.
UH, OR GO, LET'S SAY GO FOR ONE MORE.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH THE, THE 1, 2, 3, 4, THE COLORS AND CAN YOU HOLD UP? OH YES.
YOUR COLOR SAMPLE AS YOU SAY, THIS IS GONNA BE NUMBER ONE.
TO KIND OF GET US, I CAN DO THAT.
OH, YOU, AND WE DON'T NEED THE PAPER COPIES.
ALL WE NEED, WHY DON'T YOU JUST HOLD UP? YEAH.
I JUST WANTED GET THE PHYSICAL SO I CAN LOOK AT IT.
ALRIGHT, SO IF LOOKING AT THIS SLIDE HERE, WE HAVE THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS TOASTED ALMOND, WHICH THAT'LL BE THIS COLOR.
NUMBER ONE, KIND OF THE BODY OF THE, THE BUILDING, I GUESS.
SO NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE WINTER FEATHER.
THAT'S MORE OF THE MIDDLE AWNING SIDE THING, SEEING THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT IS THIS COLOR.
WE HAVE THE OFF WHITE, JUST THIS ONE VERY SIMILAR TO OUR TULSA ALMOND.
IT'S MORE OF THE TRIM AT THE TOP.
AND FINALLY ON THIS PHOTO WE ALSO HAVE STEPPING STONE, WHICH IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE, LIKE THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
IT KIND OF GETS US, UNDERSTANDS THE, THE THEME SO TO SPEAK, SO, RIGHT.
AND THEN WHY DON'T YOU TAKE US THROUGH MAYBE, UH, THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE STORE THERE.
YOU HAD A THINK YOU HAD A RENDERING OR OF COURSE A LITTLE BIT.
IS THIS ONE OKAY OR IS THAT TOO FAR AWAY? UH, THE ZOOMED IN ONE.
OH, I THOUGHT I SAW, DIDN'T YOU HAVE ONE IN, YOU HAVE ONE IN OUR PACKET.
I CAN, UM, GO, GO FOR YOU HAD IT GO FORWARD A LITTLE BIT GOING PALLET.
OR YOU GET THAT ONE? I GUESS THERE WAS ONE THAT HAD THE SIGN, I THOUGHT AT THE, YEAH, THERE.
AND WE HAVE IT IN THE ACTUAL RENDERINGS, WHICH I CAN DEFINITELY PULL UP IF YOU WOULD WANNA.
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THIS ONE MOST LIKELY, RIGHT? YEAH.
OR ACTUALLY THERE WAS ONE LIKE HEAD ON EVEN.
UM, I'VE GOT IT ON MINE, MY APPLICATION.
OH, WAS IT THIS FRONT ONE? YES.
MAYBE IN THE POWERPOINT SLIDE.
THOUGHT THAT WOULD KIND OF AS THE MAIN, MAIN ENTRY TO YOUR STORE, ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO THE SAME THEME ON YOUR OTHER STORES? SO, NO, WE ONLY, UM, OWN OR CONTROL ABOUT 40% OF THEM.
AND THE REPAINT IS JUST DEPENDING ON THE BUDGET.
SO WHEN I MADE A BUDGET LAST YEAR FOR 2026, THIS STORE CAME UP IN DISCUSSION JUST BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A OLD COLOR SCHEME.
AND I TOOK OVER THE CENTER ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.
SO I WAS TRYING TO DO THE LANDSCAPE FIRST, MAINLY LAST YEAR.
AND THIS YEAR I'M MORE, MORE AESTHETIC AS FAR AS THE BUILDING GOES.
'CAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE ANOTHER, ANOTHER PUBLIC STORE IN ALFREDA AS WELL.
SO THAT ONE MIGHT BE A LEASE CENTER 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T OVERSEE IT.
I HAVE THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND THEN KIND OF LIKE COMING, UM, ROSWELL, ALPHARETTA, AND THEN KIND OF GO DOWN TO GWINNETT COUNTY, LAKE OCONEE.
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL, DO YOU MIND IF I USE THAT ONE? YEAH.
JOEL, DO YOU WANT TO SWITCH TO MINE? TO YOURS? YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT GUYS.
OH, YOU WANT ME TO PLUG IT IN? YEAH.
SO WE'LL START WITH NUMBER ONE, TOASTED ALMOND.
THAT IS THIS COLOR COME WITH THE, THE BODY THAT'S MORE OF THE UNDER CANOPY AND THE BACK WALL UNDER CANOPY NUMBER TWO IS WINTER FEATHER, WHICH WE HAVE RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S MORE OF THE BA BESIDE, UH, BEHIND THE FACADE SIGN OF THE PUBLIX ITSELF.
THEN MOVE ON TO NUMBER FOUR, PEGASUS, WHICH I
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BELIEVE IS THIS COLOR.IS THIS CORRECT? AND THAT'S MORE OF THOSE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
WHITE COLUMNS IN FRONT IT, UH, RENDERING DOESN'T SHOW THAT REALLY WELL, BUT THAT'S COLOR SCHEME WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
LOOKS LIKE ALL THERI BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE FASCIA AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IS THAT COLOR AS WELL? ALRIGHT, THEN WE HAVE NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS SAYS ONYX RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN NUMBER SIX IS A STEPPING STONE, WHICH IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
ALRIGHT, NOW LET'S GO TO THE, UH, MY SALON SIDE.
UH, THIS IS A STREET VIEW, SO THERE IS SOME DELINEATION IN THE BUILDING, UM, THAT DIDN'T COME THROUGH ON THAT RENDERING THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, AT, AT WORKSHOP.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME, SOME LINES AND STUFF THAT'LL HELPS BREAK UP THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT'S PROPOSED, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
AND THEN CAN WE FLIP BACK? I'M GONNA MAKE BRETT'S DOING ALL THE WORK HERE.
NO, YOU'RE F TO THAT ELEVATION.
WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S KIND OF JUST THAT ONE, NUMBER ONE, THE BODY OF THE, THE BODY COLOR.
SO THAT'LL BE NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THIS TOASTED ALMOND COLOR.
AND THEN THE TRIM IS NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS PEGASUS, WHICH IS THIS COLOR THAT'S UP BY THE E.
AND THEN SIX WOULD JUST BE THE STEPPING STONE, WHICH IS, AND THAT'S A PRETTY, UM, A PRETTY PREDOMINANT SIDE FROM MAIN STREET THERE.
SO YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE ARTICULATION OR SOMETHING DONE ON THAT ELEVATION.
IS THERE SPECIFICALLY THAT WE WANTED TO WORRY ABOUT? LIKE THE COLUMN GOING UP OR THE COLUMNS? I KNOW THAT WAS A COLUMN THAT WAS MADE DURING WORKSHOP, LIKE WHERE THE BRICK GOES, GO ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP AND THEN GO UNDERNEATH.
YEAH, I THINK YOU NEED TO NEED TO DO SOMETHING, SOME SORT OF, UM, KIND OF PILE LAST OR IDENTIFY THE PILE ASTERS OR THE COLUMNS THAT GO UP OR DO SOMETHING THAT'S HORIZONTAL BANDS OR HORIZONTAL PANELS OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS MM-HMM
OR SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE UH, GOOGLE MAPS VIEW? YEAH, I THINK IT IS.
YOU GOT THE THREE BAYS OF STOREFRONT.
I WISH THERE'S ANOTHER, I CAN'T REALLY GET A, I THINK IT'S, SO OUR PHOTO'S ON THE LEFT SIDE, IF YOU THINK IT'S, THIS IS, YEAH.
SO THIS IS THAT SIDE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE STORE? YEAH, THE STREET VIEW.
SO THE, THE ELEVATION THAT THEY GIVE SORT OF REPRESENTS THAT THIS IS ALL YOU SEE ON THAT ENTIRE SIDE WHERE IN REALITY, YEAH, IT'S A BIGGER, THERE'S THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE.
YOU, THERE IS A, THE SCREEN YOU WERE JUST ON THERE IS A SCROLL BAR AT THE BOTTOM.
IS IT, DOES YOUR IT'S JUST MY ZOOM.
I I TRIED THAT TO SEE IF IT WAS, YEAH, SO THAT IS ALL IMAGE.
SO THEIR IMAGE STOPS HERE BASICALLY.
I, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, SHOWING THE ACTUAL STREET VIEW AND SEEING THE CONTROL JOINTS A LOT MORE PROMINENTLY, I, IT LOOKS BETTER THAN THE, THE RENDERING FOR SURE.
I HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OPINION OF SEEING THIS.
THIS I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO, IN MY OPINION, ANYTHING IT, BECAUSE IT LOOKS, IT'S BASICALLY JUST A LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
ALRIGHT, HOLD THAT THOUGHT THOUGH.
NOW LET'S, LET'S SEE, BRETT, ARE YOU DRIVING OUR MAP, RIGHT? I AM.
YOU GO TO THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STORE.
THE WHERE THE, UH, ALMOST THE HIGHLAND PARK SIDE.
THE HANES BRIDGE SIDE IS MM-HMM
BECAUSE I WANT YOU, THAT'S WHERE TAKE A, WHERE TRELLIS IS, RIGHT? YES.
I WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS UP HIGH THERE.
MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THAT THEME OF SOME SORT GOING.
SO, ALRIGHT, WE'RE TAKING A TOUR, A VIRTUAL TOUR
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NOW YOU SEE HOW UP THEY'VE GOT THOSE, THOSE PANELS UP THERE.NOW I, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO WITH THEM ON WHAT YOU'RE HERE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF A, KIND OF GIVES IT A GOOD THEME OR A GOOD, UH, SOME, SOME ADDED CHARACTER TO THAT ELEVATION.
IT IS SUBTLE TOO, SO IT'S NOT LIKE REALLY CONTRASTING COLORS.
IT'S A SUBTLE AND I THINK THOSE, I THINK THOSE PANELS ACTUALLY STAND OUT OR, OR DO, THERE'S SOME DEPTH TO 'EM OR SOMETHING, BUT WHICH IS NOT ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE A RENDERING OF THAT IN THE PPG SCOPE THAT WE HAVE.
UM, IT'S, I THINK IT'S, IT'S FOUR OR FIVE FROM THE LAST PAGE.
SO IN THIS ONE THEY PROPOSED TO ALMOST BLEND IT INTO THE WALL, BUT WE CAN MORE THAN UM, DO ANOTHER COLOR THAT WOULD MAKE THAT POP A BIT MORE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT IF THERE'S ANOTHER COLOR INTRODUCED, I THINK IT WOULD BE NEED TO BE KIND OF SUBTLE, NOT TOO MUCH CONTRAST.
AND WITH THAT, I THINK, UM, MR. KRAMER'S IDEA OF CARRYING IT OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE I THINK WOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY.
I AG I AGREE, BUT THIS SIDE DOESN'T HAVE THOSE MULTIPLE SCORE LINES YOU MIGHT SAY, AS THE OTHER SIDE DOES.
SO IT'S, IT'S ALMOST, UM, I NEED TO GO, I NEED TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE.
SO ONLY THE PUBLIX BUILDING HAS THAT, UM, ON THE BACK AND ON THE SIDE OF IT, THE TENANT BUILDING DOES NOT HAVE THOSE EXTRA DESIGNS.
IT'S JUST THE WALL ITSELF THAT THAT'S, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I THINK THAT, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT WE'RE JUST CARRYING THE COLOR THROUGH.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DUPLICATE WHAT'S OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU ADD SOME GOT IT.
JUST, JUST WE PAINT THOSE, WE PAINT THOSE JOINTS OR THOSE, SOME OF THOSE AREAS IN THAT SAME COLOR THEME.
SO YOU'D ALMOST WANT TO DO LIKE THESE TOP THREE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LOT LARGER THAN WHAT'S ON THE OTHER END, BUT YOU'RE SORT OF CARRYING THAT, THAT THOUGHT THROUGH AND IT, IT'S DELINEATED OUT WELL THAT IF IT WAS JUST THOSE THREE, IT'S ALMOST DONE FOR YOU.
YOU JUST HAVE TO CHANGE THE PAINT COLOR AND THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO REALLY DO ANYTHING WITH THE COLUMNS OR ANYTHING.
'CAUSE YOU'VE, YOU'VE SORT OF BROKE IT UP.
BUT I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE.
THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WE DO KNOW GET THE SAME THING.
THE GRAY PANELS HAVE A DIFFERENT COLOR, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PAINT COLOR.
SO ON YOUR, THIS IS TOASTED ON WHICH, ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S ONE AND WHAT'S THE OTHER COLOR POSTED? ALMOND.
AND I BELIEVE YOU GOT OFF WHITE OR IS IT OFF WHITE? OFF WHITE.
WHICH IS, DO YOU HAVE, WHICH NUMBER IS THAT? SO IT'S ONE AND THREE.
I COULD SEE THAT IT WORKS FOR ME.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT COLOR IS PROPOSED FOR THIS RIGHT NOW? ONE.
THREE WOULD BE THE, THE PANEL PATTERN AND THEN WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER COLOR TO THE WHOLE MIX.
WE'RE USING ONE THAT'S ALREADY, THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
I THINK THIS ONE IS PROBABLY TOO MUCH DIFFERENCE.
I THINK IT'S, I DON'T WHERE ARE YOU CHANGING THE COLORS? JUST THOSE THREE, THOSE THREE HIGHER PANELS BETWEEN THE COLUMNS.
SO YEAH, IF YOU DID THOSE TOP THREE THINGS, SO IT'D BE OOPS.
LIKE YOU DO THE OTHER INSTEAD THE WHOLE THING.
AND THEN WE'LL DO THAT AROUND THE PUBLIX ON THE SIDE AND THEN ALSO BEHIND WHERE THE PARKING ROCKS THESE SPOTS YES.
THAT ARE ALREADY RAISED COLORED DIFFERENTLY.
NOW YOU DO THERE ONE, YOU THINK IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE SIGN.
YOU, YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING DOWN AT IT IF YOU'RE ON HISTORY LEVEL, SO THAT'S, YEAH.
AND THEN, UM, WERE THERE ANY, UM, RENDERINGS OR ANYTHING OF THE REAR OF THE STORE? I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU END UP SEEING KIND OF, IS THAT IN YOUR PACKET? UM, SO WHEN PPG PROVIDED IT, THEY DID NOT PROVIDE THE REAR OF THE STORE.
BUT I DO HAVE IN MY POWERPOINT HOW IT CURRENTLY LOOKS BACK THERE.
SO IF YOU WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, WE DEFINITELY CAN OR WE CAN, UH, WE CAN JUST TAKE A VIRTUAL TOUR IF WE, WE'LL SEE IF THE GOOGLE, BRETT'S, SORRY, UBER DRIVER, THE GOOGLE VEHICLE DROVE BACK IN THE REAR OF THE STORE THERE.
SO JUST WHILE HE IS PULLING THAT UP, WE WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT ON THE OPPOSITE END WITH THE TRELLIS.
THE CURRENT PROPOSAL DID HAVE THE TWO COLORS OR ONE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, JUST THE TOASTED ALMOND ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
SO SIMILARLY WE WANT TO ADD THE COLOR THREE TO THE OPPOSITE END OF THE, WITH THE SAME COLOR CONTRAST THAT EXISTS TODAY.
EACH HEAT THEY HELD UP ONE AND THREE.
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OH YOU MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN THE SAME LOCATION.OH YES, THE COLOR CHANGES AS TODAY.
AND THIS IS THE REAR THEN, AND I ASSUME SO IT'LL PROBABLY GET THE DARKER, IS THAT GONNA BE THE IT'LL GET THE TOASTED ALMOND ALMOND, THE TOASTED ALMOND.
AND YOU'LL PAINT THE SCREEN AS WELL.
THE SCREEN IS THE SAME COLOR TOASTED ALMOND? YES.
AND THE CANOPY OVER THE THE LOADING DOCK.
DID WE TAKE A TOUR AROUND THE BUILDING? I GUESS? DID THAT COVER EVERYTHING THAT WE NEEDED TO SEE? WE, YES.
AND THEN YOU'RE DOING, THEN LET'S JUST WALK, WALK US THROUGH THE, ONE OF THE MONUMENT LINES HERE, IF YOU WILL.
SO AT THE VERY, VERY, I GUESS WE'LL START AT THE TOP AND WORK OUR WAY DOWN IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO AT THE VERY TOP WE HAVE SIX, WHICH IS OUR STEPPING STONE.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF.
WHICH WE USE FOR THE PUBLIX AS WELL.
AND MOVING DOWN WE HAVE UH, FIVE, WHICH IS ONYX.
IT'S MORE FOR THOSE ACCENTS AND THE TRIM, THE BRACKETS AND, YEP.
THEN WE HAVE FOUR, WHICH IS RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE STEPPING STONE, WHICH IS PEGASUS.
AND, UH, KIND OF THE OUTLINE OF THE PUBLIX, THE, MY SALON, WE HAVE THREE, WHICH IS THE OFF WHITE.
I'M SORRY, I MEAN RIGHT UNDERNEATH, THAT'S A ONE.
SO AROUND THE PUBLIC SIGN AND THE MY SALON SUITE SIGN, IT'S ONE TOASTED ALMOND OUR FAVORITE COLOR SEEMS LIKE FOR THIS CENTER.
AND THEN MOVING ON TO NUMBER TWO, THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE, THE SIGN OF THE BASE.
YES, THE, UH, WE HAVE WINTER FEATHER HERE.
AND I'LL JUST FINISH UP BACK ON, UH, OFF WHITE NUMBER THREE.
UH, IT'S ABOVE THE SIGN, BELOW THE METAL STANDING SCENE.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. JUST, I, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I, I, UM, THAT MY SALON SUITE SIGN, I THINK, I KNOW IT'S, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THAT IS, THAT'S JUST A BAD LOOKING SIGN IN MY OPINION.
UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE THE BUILDING SIGN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
AND I JUST, I THINK IT TAKES AWAY, I, I KNOW AGAIN, PART OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT IF THEY EVER, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING A REFRESH, IT LOOKS NICE AND YOU'VE GOT A VERY DATED LOOKING MY SALON SWEET SIGN.
THAT JUST IS, FEELS LIKE SOMETHING COULD BE DONE WITH THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
THAT WOULD, AGAIN, MAYBE NOT EVEN MAKE THAT SIGN THIS SIDE LOOK AS BORING.
MAYBE YOU GUYS DON'T AGREE, BUT I, I JUST THINK IT'S VERY WELL IT'S INTERESTING.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE, WHAT MAKES IT LOOK OFF CENTER IS THE, THE BIG LETTER.
MY SALON ARE OFF CENTER, BUT WHEN YOU ADD THE, WHAT DOES THAT SAY? SWEET.
THEN THE WHOLE THING IS CENTERED.
SO I ACTUALLY HAD A LITTLE CONCERN WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT INTRODUCING THAT CONTRASTING COLOR.
AND ALSO IT'S CENTERED ON THIS RIGHT.
AND WITH THIS DOWN THERE, IT, IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD BE THIS WAY A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEN YOU GOT THE COLUMNS RIGHT.
IT'S NOT THE BEST LOOKING SIGN.
IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME THAT, THAT NEEDS A REFRESH.
WELL AS FAR AS THE PANEL GOES, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
WE DO HAVE LEASE LANGUAGE WHERE WE CAN IMPLEMENT THAT AND ASK THE TENANT TO GO AHEAD AND UPDATE IT AND BRING IN THE FACT THAT THE BOARD MADE COMMENTS WHILE WE'RE DOING THE, UH, RENDERINGS FOR THE PAINT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN OFFER UP TO THEM AND SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO, UH, CHANGE OUT THEIR PANELS.
WELL HERE'S, HERE'S GONNA BE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
I THINK NOW THAT YOU'RE CHANGING THE BACKGROUND COLOR, THE PAINT COLOR, THE RACEWAY OF THAT SIGN IS NOW GOING TO BE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GET PAINTED.
AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD PAINT IT.
I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD PAINT IT.
SO WHENEVER WE, IT, IT'S NOT CALLED OUT, BUT WHATEVER THE BACK OF THE BUILDING ACTUALLY IS, THE RACEWAYS ARE ALSO GETTING PAINTED.
OTHERWISE IT'LL REALLY STAND OUT.
SO CAN, CAN YOU, UM, JUST ONE MORE TIME? YES SIR.
TILT IT ON AND, AND NUMBER THREE.
SO THAT'S LIGHTER THAN NUMBER ONE.
SO THERE, WELL WE'RE GONNA BE THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TODAY, THE END WITH THE TRELLIS.
ALRIGHT, WHICH ONE? ALRIGHT, WHICH ONE'S NUMBER ONE AGAIN TO, THAT'S NUMBER ONE TO ONE.
SO THAT'S THE BACKGROUND COLOR.
AND NOW THE ACCENT COLOR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY TO ME LOOKS LIKE A LIGHTER COLOR.
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TODAY IT DARKER ON THE EXISTING PAINT COLOR? ON THE TR WAIT A MINUTE, NOW I'M LOOKING AT, SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT HERE.I'M LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION AND I'M LOOKING AT MY SALON'S SIDE, RIGHT? I'M, YEAH, IT'S NUMBER ONE, RIGHT? IS IT NUMBER ONE? OKAY.
OH UH, PITTSBURGH PAINTS, IT'S DASH THREE AND THE OTHER ONE IS DASH ONE.
SO YEAH, THAT'S LIKE, I THINK THE PAINT CODES, BUT THEN THE ACTUAL ON THE RENDERINGS, THE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, THE NUMBERS ARE KIND OF FLIPPED.
SO THE ACCENT PANELS ARE GONNA BE DARKER THAN THE BASE COLOR.
LIGHTER, LIGHTER, LIGHTER WITH WHAT WE JUST SAID, RIGHT? YEAH.
WITH THREE BEING THE ACCENT COLOR WILL ACTUALLY BE LIGHTER, NOT DARKER.
IT SEEMS BACKWARD, DOESN'T IT? IT DOES, BUT I I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THE BASE BUILDING THAT LIGHT.
I DON'T THINK THAT, NO, I WASN'T BEING DARK, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IS THERE ANOTHER, WAS THERE ANOTHER COLOR THAT'S A LITTLE DARKER THAN NUMBER ONE? THE ONLY REASON I GRABBED THAT ONE IS BECAUSE HE'S GOT THE COLOR HERE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE IT'S A SHADE.
NO, I MEAN I HAVE ALL THE, THERE'S A LOT OF COLORS HERE.
OH, IS THERE ANOTHER ONE THAT WOULD GO WITH NUMBER ONE THAT'S A SHADE DARKER THIS, THIS IS ONE AND THERE'S NOTHING DARKER, NOTHING THAN THAT.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PAINT COLORS IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW.
AND JUST SAY ONE MORE TIME TOO.
I JUST NOT SURE IT'S WHAT WE WERE AT IN WHAT WE'RE IMAGINING.
I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING FOR A DIFFERENTIATION, RIGHT? SOMETHING THAT'LL MAKE IT POP A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE IT JUST NOT A WHOLE FIELD OF NUMBER ONE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
SO JUST GOING BACK TO MY COMMENT AS WELL ABOUT THE SIGN AND I THINK IF, IF YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK AT REDOING THE SIGN, THAT KIND OF CHANGE, I FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT CHANGE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS ABOUT PUTTING THE CONTRAST IN HERE.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S THAT THE BORING, BLAND, I MEAN AS MIGHT AS WELL JUST SAY DRY CLEANERS AND ALL BLOCK PRINT, YOU KNOW, AND UM, BUT IF YOU DO SOMETHING WITH MORE CHARACTER THERE, YOU MIGHT NOT NEED AS MUCH CONTRAST IN THE BACKGROUND.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THOUGHT BECAUSE I THINK WE HAD SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN OUR MIND.
I THINK IT'S STILL, I THINK IT STILL CONVEYS, STILL STILL A PACKAGE OF THE, OKAY.
WE JUST HAD A REAL TIME RENDERING HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO IS ANYTHING ELSE HAPPENING TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING? ARE YOU CHANGING OUT ANY LIGHTS OR ANY WHATEVER ELSE? NO, FOR THIS YEAR IT'S JUST THE REPAINT.
TRYING TO GET THAT COLOR CHANGE APPROVED.
DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO CRAFT A CRAFT A MOTION THIS MORNING? I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT, UH OH YES.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OR PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT.
I'LL GIVE IT A, GIVE IT A TRY I GUESS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING, UH, DRB 2 600 0 0 8 PUBLIX MOTION TO APPROVE THE PAINT COLORS AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ON THE MY SALON FACADE, APPLICANT WILL USE COLOR THREE OFF WHITE ON THE THREE HORIZONTAL PANELS JUST ABOVE THE SIGN.
SIMILARLY, ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE TRELLIS IS LOCATED, APPLICANT WILL USE COLOR THREE AS A CONTRASTING COLOR IN THE SAME LOCATIONS WHERE THERE IS A CONTRASTING DARKER COLOR TODAY.
I'LL, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION TO, TO MOVE THINGS ALONG.
ALRIGHT, I'VE SO MOTION BY MR. SWUNG.
UH, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ITEMS? I HAD ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE LOCATION OF, UH, THE, UM, I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE WEST ELEVATION.
UM, IS THAT THE MY SALON? THE MY SALON? THE MY SALON SIDE.
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IS, IS THERE A THOUGHT TO CONSIDER EITHER LOWERING, LOWERING THE ACCENT COLOR OR EXPANDING IT TO TWO PANELS TO TWO PANELS? UM, IT JUST SEEMS PROPORTIONALLY THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME WEIGHT ISSUE.I KNOW THAT IT KIND OF PULLS DOWN THAT SIGNAGE, BUT, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE BALANCED THAN JUST HAVING THIS LIKE, KIND OF SLIVER AT THE TOP.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, I THINK THAT LOOKS FINE HAVING BOTH, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I CAN GO EITHER WAY.
SO I MEAN, UM, BUT, AND, AND THAT JUST HAPPENS ON THE MY SALON SIDE, NOT ON ANY OTHER ELEVATIONS OR, UH, LIKE DOUBLING, RIGHT? YEAH.
'CAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE IT WAS RAISED PAST, IT WAS VERY FINE.
THIS ONE I JUST FELT LIKE IT, IT PROPORTIONALLY AND SCALE WISE, WOULD, WE COULD LEAVE IT AT THE DISCRETION OF STAFF? WHAT ARE I, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO POINT OUT TO ME, WHAT CAN I SHOW YOU? YEP.
YEAH, HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT ROW PANELS BELOW AT THE SIGN LEVEL.
OH, THIS ONE DOWN HERE? YEAH, THE PANELS I SAID PLUS THE NEXT ROW BELOW.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S Y'ALL.
IT'S THEN YOU'D HAVE TO OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
THE OTHER THING YOU DO, SORRY, IT ALMOST THOUGH REVERSES YOUR BASE COLOR AND YOUR LIGHTER COLOR BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE ALMOST GONNA HAVE MORE OF THE LIGHTER COLOR THAN YOU WILL YOUR BASE COLOR.
DO YOU THINK JUST DEFINES THE FRAME BETTER? JUST TALKING OUT, DO YOU THINK MAYBE THE ABOVE THE STOREFRONT AREAS THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF HEADER, A DISTINGUISHED HEADER? WELL IT, IT WOULD SORT OF GIVE IT THAT IF YOU DO BOTH OF THOSE BLOCKS, IT GIVES IT THAT ALMOST LIKE A, A LENTIL OR SOMETHING ABOVE THOSE.
OH, THAT WOULD INSTEAD OF THEY DOES THAT, DOES THAT HELP OR HURT HAVING TO DO THE TWO PANELS VERSUS ONE? I THINK WHAT THE SCORE LINES ALMOST HAVE TO PAINT TO IT.
CAN YOU, JOEL, CAN YOU PUT MINE BACK ON PLEASE? HOW, LET'S LOOK AT, CAN WE SEE THOSE SCORE LINES AGAIN JUST TO, UM, FROM STREET VIEW? OKAY.
SO WITH, WITH THE SCORELINE HERE, I I DON'T THINK YOU COULD PAINT MID.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO OBVIOUS LENTIL THERE.
AND WHEN I WAS SAYING THAT YOU'RE ALMOST REVERSING, ALTHOUGH I, I AGREE MR. ROWAN THAT IT, THAT IT PROPORTIONALLY LOOKS RIGHT, BUT, BUT IF, IF YOU DO BOTH OF THESE, THEN YOU'VE ALMOST MADE THAT YOUR, YOUR BASE COLOR.
'CAUSE THERE'S MORE OF IT THAN THERE IS TOP ON THE BOTTOM, MORE AREA, THERE'S MORE AREA WHERE ON THE OTHER END YOU'VE JUST GOT A REALLY SMALL BLOCKED THING ON THE HAYNES BRIDGE SITE.
BUT THAT'S, YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS.
THIS IS, THIS IS A HARD ONE TO, I'M, I'M GONNA, UM, AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, UM, IF IF THE GROUP IN GENERAL WANTS TO DO IT, I'LL ADD TO THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
OTHERWISE I'LL JUST LET IT GO.
THAT WAS JUST KIND OF PERSONAL FEEL ARCHITECTURALLY.
SO YEAH, I'M, I'M KIND OF AMBIVALENT ON IT.
UM, I, I'D KIND OF RATHER LEAVE IT ALONE AND SEE IF A SIGN UPDATE WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
ONE THING THAT IT DOES DO THOUGH IS IT GIVES MORE THREE DISTINCT IT LET, IT LETS THE COLUMNS GO UP.
THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS, SO, YEAH, WHICH IS A GOOD POINT.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING THE COLUMNS, RIGHT? YES SIR.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN PUT MR. ROWAN'S PICTURE UP ON THE SCREEN HERE.
I COULD EMAIL IT AS WELL IF THAT'S EASIER.
SEE IF I CAN, I HATE TO EXTEND THIS OUT, BUT I NO, IT'S OKAY.
HEY, WE APPRECIATE YOUR EMAIL IT TO ME.
MINE'S NOT LETTING ME PASTE IT.
AND THEN IF THE SIGN IS EVER REDONE FOR A TENANT OR WHATEVER, THEY COULD CENTER IT IN THAT LARGER SQUARE AND UH, IT'LL GIVE A NICER BACKGROUND.
SHOULD COME THROUGH ANY SECOND.
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I'M SORRY GUYS.YEAH, INTERNET CUSTOMS. IT'S GO INTO THE MOON.
YEAH, JUST SEE YOU THOUGH BRETT.
IT'S YOUR, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
YOUR SCREEN WAS STILL BEING SHARED.
NOW THE, THE ONE THING YOU CAN'T SEE IN THIS SKETCH IS THAT THERE'S NO COLUMN ON THE END TO CLOSE IT OFF, BUT THERE'S BRICK DOWN THERE.
SO MY OPINION, I
THAT LETS THE, IT IT, I FEEL LIKE IT MAKES THE ELEVATION LOOK TALLER BECAUSE IT LETS LETS THE COLUMNS, IT LETS THE COLUMNS GO UP OR FEEL LIKE THEY DO ANYWAY.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE AS THE APPLICANT? I DON'T.
MAYBE I'M MAKING WEIGHT A DEAL.
YOU GUYS HAVE THE X-RAY THOUGH.
I'LL, I'LL RELY ON YOUR GUIDANCE.
SO I'D LIKE TO, IF IT'S OKAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO, UM, UH, MAKE THE ACCENT COLOR, UH, INCORPORATE TWO PANELS IN HEIGHT INSTEAD OF ONE PANEL IN HEIGHT TO CREATE A MORE, UM, FRAME AROUND THE ACCENT.
WE HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT ON THE, ON THE TABLE HERE.
MR. SWING, DO YOU ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? I DO.
AND THEN, UM,
WHERE'D THAT PICTURE GO AGAIN? FLIP THAT UP AGAIN.
WHICH ONE? OH, THE ONE YOU, OH, JOEL JOEL'S BACK HERE.
ALRIGHT, I CAN, ALRIGHT, I'LL ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AS WELL BY MR. ROWAN.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION AND THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? NO OTHER.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION WITH THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
ALL OPPOSED? ONE OPPOSED? OKAY.
MOTION PASSES WITH THE FRIENDLY MINUTE FIVE TO ONE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S TAKE A, UM, LET'S TAKE A SHORT RECESS HERE AND THEN WE WILL GET STARTED WITH THE, UM, THE MAYFAIR AT HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, SO, OKAY.
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AND THAT'S GONNA BE MAYFAIR AT HAYNES BRIDGE.
UM, WE DID HAVE ONE NOTE, WE DID HAVE TWO BOARD MEMBERS, UH, RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM THIS APPLICATION.
SO MR. ROWAN AND MR. BAIN ARE NO LONGER WITH US, BUT WE STILL HAVE, UH, A QUORUM.
SO THERE'S, AND THEN THERE WERE FOUR, SO THERE'S FOUR OF US NOW THIS MORNING.
BUT, UH, UH, SPEAKING IN THE MICROPHONE, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELVES, UH, NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN WALK US THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET TODAY, PLEASE.
I'M WITH, UH, KAO LAND GROUP, UH, THE OWNER AND PRINCIPAL OF KAO LAND GROUP.
I'M THE OWNERS AT MAYFAIR HAYS BRIDGE ROAD, UM, AS WELL AS THE ACTING MANAGER FOR THE OWNERSHIP ENTITY AT MAYFAIR HAYS BRIDGE.
UH, I'LL LET HER WALK YOU THROUGH THE MAJORITY OF THE PRESENTATION.
SHE CAN INTRODUCE HERSELF AND WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A BRIEF INTRODUCTION.
UH, AS YOU MAY RECALL, MAYFAIR HAYNES BRIDGE IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF HAYNES BRIDGE AND DEVORE ROAD WITH THE MAIN ENTRANCE OFF OF JOHN SCOTT.
IT'S 17, I THINK, THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, IT'S FITS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT
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AND GIVEN THE, AS YOU'LL SEE AS AMANDA WALKED YOU THROUGH PRESENTATION, BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK FROM THE ORIGINAL OR THE INITIAL MEETING IN MARCH, WE'VE ADDED SOME SPECIFIC SITE LINES, ELEVATIONS, CALL OUTS OF MATERIALS AND BUILDING MATERIALS, UH, WHICH I THINK WILL BE VERY HELPFUL FOR YOU TODAY.UM, IT FITS WELL, LIKE I SAID, IN DOWNTOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT WITH A COMBINATION OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, UH, BUILDING MATERIALS, MASSING PORCH ELEVATIONS, WHICH, WHICH ADDS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CHARACTER AS WELL AS, UM, DIVERSITY TO OUR STREETSCAPES.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO AMANDA.
SHE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THE BOLD PRESENTATION.
I'M WITH, UH, MAIN STREET DESIGNS HERE IN ALPHARETTA.
BASED ON OUR, UH, PRE INITIAL MEETING, UM, WE CAME BACK WITH A, A CLARIFIED PRESENTATION THAT REALLY FOCUSES ON WHAT YOU GUYS WANTED TO SEE, WHICH IS THE STREET VIEWS FROM JOHN SCOTT DEVORE AND HAYNES BRIDGE.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN YOUR PACKET.
WE'LL START FROM ONE SIDE AND WE'LL KIND OF WORK OUR WAY AROUND THAT U WE'LL LOOK AT ALL THE EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS.
THEY ARE RENDERED BASED ON, UM, THE COLOR SCHEME PACKAGES THAT YOU SEE ALSO IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND I HAVE THE MATERIALS HERE.
WE CAN WALK THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
BUT IF WE COULD WALK THROUGH THE, THE ARCHITECTURE PART OF IT FIRST AND THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH THE MATERIALS IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU GUYS.
THAT'S HOW I'D LIKE TO PROCEED.
SO COVER SHEET HERE, WE'RE JUST SEEING KIND OF AN OVERALL, UH, VIEW.
YOU GUYS SAW THIS IN YOUR INITIAL PACKET.
UM, THIS REALLY IS, UH, JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU THE CHARACTER AND AND LAYOUT OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE LABELED ON EACH LOT THE ELEVATION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THAT LOT.
UM, THAT'S WHAT WE USE TO GENERATE THE FRONT AND SIDE, UM, ELEVATION RENDERINGS THAT WILL BE VIEWED FROM THE STREET.
SO WE'LL KIND OF WALK THROUGH THOSE AS WELL.
AND THAT'S THE LETTER DESIGNATION, RIGHT? THE LETTER DESIGNATION? YEAH.
'CAUSE WE HAVE MULTIPLE PLANS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO IF YOU SEE AN A MULTIPLE TIMES, IT DOES NOT MEAN IT'S THE SAME ELEVATION NECESSARILY.
UM, SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX, LEMME TURN MY MOUSE ON HERE.
UM, LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX ARE, UH, A SPECIFIC PLAN.
SEVEN THROUGH 13 ARE A SECOND PLAN.
AND THEN LOTS, UM, 15 THROUGH 17 ARE ANOTHER PLAN WITH 14 BEING A LOT SPECIFIC PLAN.
SO IT'LL BE A VARIATION OF THAT PLAN.
SO ON ONE THROUGH SIX, IF YOU SEE AN A ELEVATION, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S ONLY ONLY TWO REPEATS IN THAT, IN THAT SEQUENCE.
UM, AND THEN A LOT SEVEN THROUGH 13, YOU'LL SEE THAT NOTHING REPEATS MORE THAN, THAN TWICE.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ELEVATION THAT'LL SHOW UP MORE THAN TWO TIMES IN THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
THOSE ARE THOSE, THE, THE LETTERS ARE THE, ARE THE, UM, ELEVATIONS.
SO, UH, IF IT SAYS ELEVATION A I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT, I DIDN'T QUITE FIND IF IT SAYS ELEVATION A THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THE SAME ELEVATION.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT, SO ON ONE THROUGH SIX, WE'RE JUST GONNA CALL THAT PLAN ONE.
ON ONE THROUGH SIX, PLAN ONE THERE'S TWO ELEVATION A'S MEANING.
THEY, IT DOES GET REPEATED, BUT IT'S FACING TWO DIFFERENT STREETS.
BUT IT, SO, BUT IT NEVER GETS REPEATED MORE THAN TWICE.
I'M, I'M, SO ELEVATION A ISN'T, ISN'T DESIGNATING A PARTICULAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING? NO, IT'S JUST, IT'S THE WHOLE BUILDING.
SO THE TWO THERE THAT SAY A WILL HAVE THE EXACT SAME ELEVATION OF MATERIALS.
DIFFERENT COLOR SCHEMES, BUT YES.
SO THE MATERIALS BE D SO WE WILL BE DIFFERENT, BUT, OKAY.
YEAH, SO WE WILL THE ACTUAL MATERIAL LIKE IT, THEY BOTH BUT MAYBE BRICK AND THEY'LL HAVE THE SAME ARCHITECTURE, BUT WE'LL APPLY DIFFERENT MATERIALS TO THOSE.
SO THERE IS NOT AN EXACT READING.
SAME ELEVATION, DIFFERENT COLOR, DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA START, UM, I'M GONNA START ON JOHN SCOTT AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SIDE OF LOT 17 AND THE FRONT OF LOT ONE FIRST.
SO WE'RE GONNA START THERE AND WE'RE GONNA WORK OUR WAY AROUND.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS KIND OF THE ENTRY ROAD, UM, THE SIDE OF 17 AND THEN THE FRONT OF LOT ONE.
AND THE, THE INITIAL MEETING WE WENT THROUGH ELEVATIONS AND THERE WERE NO REAL COMMENTS ON THE ARCHITECTURE PORTION OF IT.
SO REALLY TODAY WE'RE LOOKING MORE AT HOW THE COLORS ARE APPLIED AND THEN WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT MATERIALS.
SO ON THIS ONE LOT ONE, THE FRONT ELEVATION THAT'S FACING THE INTERIOR STREET, WELL, WELL LOT ONE FRONT ELEVATION A JOHN.
SO I'M, I'M, NO, THIS SHOT IS A, IS AS IF YOU'RE STANDING ON JOHN SCOTT.
SO LOT ONE THIS IS, YOU WOULD SEE THE FRONT OF LOT ONE AND YOU WOULD SEE SIDE OF 17.
SO THE FRONT FACE IS JOHN SCOTT.
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OKAY.AND BECAUSE AS YOU'RE COMING UP TO THAT AREA AT AN ANGLE, THE NEXT PAGE WILL ACTUALLY COVER THE FRONT OF 17 AND THE SIDE OF LOT ONE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND THE SIGN OF IT.
SO THAT KIND OF COVERS THOSE TWO BUILDINGS AND THEN AS WE WORK OUR WAY AROUND, YOU'RE GONNA SEE, CAN WE JUST BE FREE? YOU GO TOO FAST.
GO BACK TO THE FIRST PAGE PLEASE.
OKAY, SO THESE ARE THE TWO JOHN SCOTT ELEVATION AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE YOUR ENTRYWAY AND SIGNAGE IN THAT STUFF IN BETWEEN.
SO THE BA THE MASS FOR LOT 17 AND THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE HOUSE IS TO THE LEFT FACES THE INTERIOR STREET, I GUESS, RIGHT? YES.
FACES THE INTERIOR STREET AND FACES.
AND IS THAT, YOU THINK THAT'S A TRUE REP REPRESENTATION OF THE TOPOGRAPHY? IT'S CLOSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE, WE HAVE, WE BASE THAT OFF OF GRADING AND KNOWING IT'S GONNA SLOPE DOWN.
KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A REAR ENTRY PRODUCT THERE THAT HAS THE DRIVER GARAGE.
UM, BUT YES, THERE WILL BE, UM, SITE WALLS AND OTHER THINGS IN PLACE AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING.
SO A TRUE REPRESENTATION, NO, IT'S MORE OF AN ARTISTIC REP REPRESENTATION TO SHOW YOU THE ELEVATION PORTION.
UM, CAN I ADD SOMETHING? YEAH, SURE.
UM, WHAT'S NOT DEPICTED ON HERE IS OUR ENTRY MONUMENTATION, UH, ALL ALONG JOHN SCOTT.
THERE IS A TWO TO THREE FOOT, UM, UH, DECORATIVE MONUMENT WALL THAT WRAPS AROUND THE CORNER OF THE ENTRY WITH A MONUMENT.
SO WHAT YOU WON'T SEE IS A GRADE CHANGE FROM JOHN SCOTT BECAUSE THAT TWO FOOT, UH, MONUMENT WALL WILL BE THERE.
SO IT IS DEPICTIVE OF THE GRADE ONCE YOU GET BEHIND THAT WALL, BUT YOU REALLY WON'T SEE THAT GRAY CHANGE FROM JOHN SCOTT BECAUSE OF THE WALL, THE MONUMENT WALL THAT'S THERE.
UM, UM, I'M SORRY, I HATE TO KEEP BACKING YOU UP HERE, BUT COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN ONE PAGE? MM-HMM
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WHAT IS THE FRONT FACADE OF ALL, OF, ALL OF THE, UH, THE, THE LOTS ON ONE THROUGH FIVE.
THE FRONT IS FACING JOHN SCOTT OR DEVORE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THAT'S THE FRONT SIDE ALL THE WAY AROUND.
AND THEN WE GO THROUGH LOT SIX TO 13, THE FRONT WILL FACE HAYNES BRIDGE.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER ONES, UM, THE REMAINING 14 TO 17, IT'LL FACE THE INTERIOR STREET RIGHT? 14, 15, 16, AND 17.
THE FRONT OF THOSE LOTS FACES THE INTERIOR STREET.
ALRIGHT, SO THE ONLY SORT OF FACADE THAT'S NOT A FRONT FACADE FACING ONE OF THE MAIN STREETS IS THAT LOT 17? THAT'S CORRECT.
NOW YOU WILL SEE AS WE WORK OUR WAY, WAY AROUND THE CURVE AND THERE'S MORE OF AN ANGLE, WE INCLUDED THE RENDERED VERSIONS OF WHAT THAT SIDE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, JUST SO YOU KIND OF SEE HOW THE MATERIALS WRAP, UH, WHAT EACH SIDE IS FACING EACH OTHER.
SO WE HAVE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
BUT IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'LL EVER SEE THAT, YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT DEAD ON LIKE YOU WILL 17.
AND THEN ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME BACK IN OUR INITIAL MEETING WAS MAKING SURE WE LABELED MATERIALS.
UM, TYPICALLY WHEN WE DO A 2D RENDERING, IT IS WITH THE ACTUAL SHERWIN WILLIAM COLOR NUMBERS.
UM, IT'S WITH THE ACTUAL BRICK IMAGES.
SO YOU'LL SEE, UM, CALL OUTS OF WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE, BUT YOU SHOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO TELL FROM THE COLORS AND THE RENDERING, UM, WHAT'S PAINTED, WHAT'S BRICK.
IT LOOKED LIKE YOU BROUGHT SAMPLES OF I DID.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU WANNA LOOK AT THOSE.
SHE WAS GONNA, SHE KIND OF WALKED, SHE, SHE MENTIONED SHE WAS GONNA KIND OF WALK US THROUGH THIS AND THEN SHE CAN KIND OF COME BACK AND HOLD AND THEN COME BACK.
LET'S JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THE, WITH THE BROAD BRUSH.
SO THE NEXT IMAGE, JUST BECAUSE AS YOU'RE ENTERING THE COMMUNITY, YOU WILL SEE THE SIDE OF LOT ONE AND YOU WILL SEE THE FRONT OF LOT 17.
THE NEXT IMAGE SORT OF SHOWS THAT AS WELL.
THESE ARE NOT GONNA BE SIDE BY SIDE.
IT'S NOT AN EXACT RENDERING OF WHAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY SEE, BUT IT DOES REPRESENT BOTH OF THOSE BECAUSE THEY WILL BE VISIBLE AS YOU'RE ENTERING THE COMMUNITY.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THE INTERIOR ROAD OR THE INTERIOR? CORRECT.
AND THEN AS YOU'RE WORK YOUR WAY AROUND JOHN SCOTT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, LOT ONE AND TWO THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE SIDE.
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YOU, YOU SEE LOT TWO IS THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF LOT TWO AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT KIND OF FACES CADDY CORNER DIAGONALLY TO JOHN SCOTT AND DEVORE, THAT INTERSECTION ALMOST.AND THEN YOU SEE LOTS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE.
AND AGAIN THERE'S, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANGLE THERE, BUT WE ARE REPRESENTING THOSE AS DEAD ON ELEVATION.
SO YOU CAN SEE THEM NEXT TO EACH OTHER FACE DEVORE AND YES.
SO THAT'S FIVE LOT FOUR AND THREE.
OKAY, I SEE FIVE AND FOUR AND THREE.
AND THEN AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY AROUND, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE SIDES OF FIVE AND SIX BECAUSE THEY'RE AT THE ANGLE AS YOU'RE COMING AROUND DEVORE GOING ON THE MEANS BRIDGE.
SO ON THIS ONE, THE, THE FRONT CORNERS CLOSEST TO THE STREET IS THE TWO INSIDE PARTS OF YOUR PHOTO.
WHAT IS IN THAT TOP RIGHT TOP LEFT AREA? YEAH.
'CAUSE THERE, YOU MEAN 'CAUSE THERE'S NO WINDOWS.
'CAUSE THERE'S IS THAT PROBABLY, THAT'S PROBABLY THE MASTER BEDROOM OR SOMETHING WITH THE THREE AND THEN MAYBE THE BATHROOM BESIDE IT.
KNOW WHAT? SO WHAT THAT'S THE FRONT CORNERS THAT YOU'D WANT A LITTLE MORE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL? YEAH.
SOMETHING EVEN IF IT'S JUST BRICK DETAIL MAYBE RIGHT THERE OR ONE OF THOSE FAUX BRICKED IN WINDOW.
YEAH, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT THAT FALL.
SO WE COULD DO, WE COULD EASILY DO IT.
THAT'S NOT ON THE UPPER STORY THOUGH, IS IT? OH, THAT IS IN THE LOFT.
YEAH, THAT'S SO THAT'S LIKE A FIREPLACE.
YEAH, WE COULD EASILY ADD THIS JUST REPRESENTATION OF MEDIA T SO WE COULD EASILY ADD A WINDOW OR HIGH WINDOWS, TRANSOM WINDOWS TO GET SOME DAYLIGHT IN THERE AS WELL.
I DON'T, I MEAN THAT WOULD PROBABLY, DAYLIGHT WOULD PROBABLY HELP THAT ROOM IF THAT, IF THAT IS A LOFT IN THERE.
UM, BUT I THINK FOR US, JUST SOME DETAIL ON THE OUTSIDE WOULD, WE COULD PROBABLY LINE UP THE WINDOWS BELOW.
SO IF I GO TO UM, GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION, WHICH ALRIGHT, WHICH LOT IS THAT? THAT'S NUMBER RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE AT THE CORNER NOW WE COULD LINE UP THOSE WINDOWS ABOVE AND THE LOFT AND KIND OF CENTER THAT FURNITURE.
SO WHERE IS THIS, WHERE IS THAT SINGLE? IS THAT IN, IS THAT, THAT'S ALREADY THERE BESIDE THAT MEDIA MM-HMM
SO YOU WOULD JUST DO ANOTHER ONE OVER THERE? YEAH, WE COULD DO ANOTHER ONE OR, AND WE COULD ALSO MAKE THOSE LARGER.
YOU I THINK IT WOULD HELP IF THEY WERE LARGER AND DO ANOTHER ONE.
THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T DO AN ACTUAL WINDOW THERE.
SO THEY EXIST THAT, THAT SMALL WINDOW THAT'S FOR A LARGER WINDOW, MAKE THAT A LARGER WINDOW AND THEN A MATCHING ONE ON THE OPPOSITE.
SO YOU WOULD'VE TOP AND BOTTOM SAME.
AND WOULD YOU GUYS WANT THAT TO BE A LARGER WINDOW? I I THINK IT CERTAINLY WOULD LOOK BETTER.
IF IT WAS LIKE THAT SIZE, WE CAN DO THAT ON THE UPPER ONES.
THE LOWER ONES ARE A LITTLE HARDER BECAUSE WE HAVE THE FIREPLACE AND SOME BUILT-IN SNOWS.
JUST ON THE SECOND FLOOR I THINK TO FILL THAT BIG EMPTY SPACE.
SO WE CAN DO THAT ON, WE'LL ACTUALLY PROBABLY DO THAT ON EVERY, IT'LL JUST BE A STANDARD ON THAT SIDE ELEVATION.
THAT WAY THE FRAMEWORK KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING ON THE SIDE EACH TIME.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ADDITION.
AS WE WORK OUR WAY AROUND, YOU'RE GONNA SEE, AS WE GET TO HANES BRIDGE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE LOT SIX IS ON THE RIGHT.
IT'S, IT'S YOUR CORNER AND THEN YOU START WORKING DOWN HANES BRIDGE AND THAT BECOMES A DIFFERENT PLAN.
UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE LOT SEVEN IS NOW A THREE STORY PLAN 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT, LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE IN GRADE THERE.
SO WE'RE NO LONGER A DRIVE UNDER, WE CAN BE THREE STORY OUT OF THE GROUND.
UM, AND THEN THESE ELEVATIONS HAVE DIFFERENT PORCHES VARYING, UM, ARCHITECTURE.
UH, SOME OF THEM HAVE THREE STORIES OF THEM HAVE TWO STORY PORCHES.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF VARIATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE IN THE ARCHITECTURE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH COLOR IS WE'LL SEE THAT IT'S A VERY KIND OF EARTHY NATURAL COLOR SCHEMES ON MOST OF THE, UM, ELEVATIONS.
AND YOU'LL SEE AS WE START TO PRESENT THOSE AS WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF THE COLORS THAT WE'RE USING MAYBE MORE THAN ONCE, BUT WE MAY
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BE APPLYING THEM DIFFERENT.SO ANYTIME YOU APPLY A COLOR SCHEME, YOU CAN HAVE AN ALL BRICK HOUSE WHERE A COLOR SCHEME LOOKS ONE WAY AND THEN, YOU KNOW, 50% BRICK ON THE NEXT HOUSE.
AND THE SAME COLOR SCHEME LOOKS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
SO, AND THEN AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY DOWN, YOU'LL SEE THE NEXT FOUR, WHICH IS 10 THROUGH 13.
AND THIS PRETTY MUCH IS THE END OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON HAYNES BRIDGE.
AND THAT COVERED EVERYTHING THAT'S STREET FACING ON ALL THREE STREETS.
SO, QUICK QUESTION THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THOUGH THIS IS GONNA BE EXTENDED, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME MORE HOMES RIGHT? MARCHING DOWN HAYNES BRIDGE FOR PHASE TWO OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S PART OF THE SAME DEVELOPMENT? THAT WOULD BE, IT IS PART OF THE IT OKAY.
IT IS PART OF THE SAME DEVELOPMENT AND THE, THE HOME AT FACE HAYNES BRIDGE WILL, WILL MIRROR THESE TYPES OF FLOOR PLANS AND ELEVATIONS.
THEY JUST HAVE NOT BEEN DESIGNED YET.
BUT IS THERE GONNA BE A BREAK? IT, IT APPEARS THERE'S SOME SORT OF BREAK BETWEEN WHAT WILL BE 13 AND THEN WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT HOUSE? WELL THAT ACTUALLY WENT AWAY WITH THE PHASE TWO.
SO IT WENT AWAY WITH THE, WITH PHASE TWO.
HOW MANY, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ARE IN PHASE TWO ALONG THERE? THERE'S ADDITIONAL 10 HOME SITES IN PHASE TWO.
ALONG, ALONG EAST BRIDGE THERE'S I THINK, UM, THERE'S FIVE ADDITIONAL ONES THERE AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER FIVE THAT COME BACK UP ON JOHN SCOTT OR WHATEVER THE, UH, IT COMES INTERNAL TO THE COMMUNITY.
THERE'S EXISTING HOMES THAT, THAT BUFFER PHASE TWO FROM JOHN SCOTT.
BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS REVIEW.
UM, ALRIGHT, WHY DON'T YOU WALK US THROUGH THE, THE COLOR, THE VARIOUS COLOR SCHEMES.
SO USUALLY WHAT WE DO, UM, WHEN WE PRESENT COLORS IS WE SORT OF START FROM THE BOTTOM UP IN THE WAY THAT WE PRESENT THEM SO THAT YOU'LL SEE THE MASONRY OR THE HEAVIEST, UM, BASE AT THE BOTTOM.
AND OUR ROOFING IS AT THE TOP.
UM, YOU'LL SEE WINDOW, UH, FRONT DOOR COLOR, GARAGE DOOR COLORS, SHUTTERS, ROOF COLOR, METAL ROOF COLOR.
UM, WHAT I HAVE IS SAMPLES OF ALL THE MAJOR MATERIALS.
WE CAN WALK THROUGH THOSE, UM, IN ORDER OF THE SCHEMES.
YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT? WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT IF YOU CAN AND SET, MAYBE SET 'EM UP SOMEWHERE OR PUT 'EM ON SOMETHING OR, AND WE HAVE A FEW, SO THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL, I HAVE 'EM ORGANIZED BY SCHEME COLOR.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A PLACE YOU, YOU WANT US TO HOLD THEM OR? WELL, LET'S SEE.
UM, MAYBE YOU PUT ONE SCHEME IN FRONT OF THE, OR LEAN IT UP AGAINST ONE OF THE DESK.
AND THEN MAYBE THE OTHER SCHEME GOES IN FRONT OF BRETT'S CREDENZA OR DESK RIGHT THERE.
SO WHAT I'LL DO IS THERE'S A GROUP AND I NEED TO JUST SPEAK INTO THE MIC.
IS THERE A HANDHELD ONE THAT AMANDA CAN USE WHILE SHE'S, SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL, I'LL, UH, GROUP THEM BASED ON THE ROOF COLOR 'CAUSE THAT GETS REPEATED.
UM, SO SCHEME ONE AND TWO BOTH HAVE THE SAME ROOF.
SO I'LL PUT THOSE ON ONE SIDE.
AND THEN WE JUST SORT OF GROUP THEM LIKE THAT.
SO, AND THEN IF WE COULD GROUP THESE, UM, IS IT OKAY IF WE GROUP THESE IN SORT OF LIKE GROUPS OF THREE? OR DO YOU WANNA SEE ALL EIGHT? NO.
WANT YOU, I THINK YOU CAN GROUP 'EM.
UM, AND IF WE, I GUESS IF WE GET CONFUSED AND WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE YOU SEPARATE 'EM, BUT, SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS SCHEME ONE, TWO, AND THREE, THEY ALL SHARE UM, THE WEATHERED WOOD ROOFING.
WHICH ONE? SO THIS WOULD BE ONE.
THIS IS TWO AND THIS IS THREE.
LET ME MAKE SURE THAT'S RIGHT.
WHICH IS ONE? THIS IS 1, 1, 2, 3.
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AND IF YOU WANT ME TO WALK THROUGH WHAT EACH COLOR IS, I CAN DO THAT AS WELL.WHY DON'T YOU, UH, CAN YOU PULL UP WHAT COLORS, WHICH, WHICH HOUSE OR WHICH HOME HAS COLOR SCHEME ONE FOR INSTANCE, KIND OF.
AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE SAMPLES WHILE YOU'RE, I'M GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN ON THE UM, ACTUALLY LET'S DO THIS BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE COLOR SCHEME ONE IS LOT TWO SHOULD BE RIGHT HERE.
SO COLOR SCHEME ONE IS GOING ON LOT TWO, WHICH IS THAT ARCHITECTURE THAT YOU'RE SEEING.
AND THAT'S THE LOT THAT'S KIND OF CATTYCORNER TO JOHN SCOTT.
LET'S SEE, YOU'VE GOT THE BRICK.
UM, CAN YOU USE YOUR POINTER JUST TO SHOW US THE AREAS OF THE DIFFERENT, SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS YOUR BRICK.
UM, THE SHINGLES WOULD BE THE WEATHERED WOOD, WHICH YOU SEE THERE.
THAT'S COMMON BETWEEN ALL THREE COLOR SCHEMES MM-HMM
UM, THE LIGHTER COLOR IS THE LARGEST SAMPLE, WHICH IS YOUR MAIN SIDING COLOR.
THE TOP COLOR, WHICH IS THE BLUE IS YOUR FRONT DOOR COLOR.
AND THEN THE DARKER COLOR IS YOUR TRIM.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE MORE COLOR, THAT'S YOUR EAVES AND FASCIA.
AND THEN INSTANCE THE CHIMNEY IS, WOULD BE THE SAME AS YOUR MAIN SIDING COLORS, THE WAY WE'RE PAINTING THAT.
UM, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ELEVATIONS? DO YOU HAVE, THAT'S THE FRONT ELEVATION.
DO YOU HAVE SIDE ELEVATIONS FOR LOT TWO? THERE WE GO FOR LOT TWO, THIS IS VISIBLE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S AT LITTLE BIT OF AN ANGLE.
THIS WOULD BE YOUR SIDE ELEVATION.
YOU WOULD SEE MOSTLY BRICK FROM THE STREET.
AND THEN FROM THE INTERIOR YOU WOULD SEE A COMBINATION OF BRICK AND SIDING WITH YOUR TRIM FASCIA COLORS.
AND THEN HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT THE OTHER EL THE, THE LEFT ELEVATION? DO WE HAVE, AM I PUSHING MY LUCK?
SO IF THEY'RE FACING DIRECTLY FACING ANOTHER BUILDING.
ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO COLOR SCHEME TWO, WHICH IS LOT FIVE.
YOU HAVE YOUR BRICK COLOR FINE.
AND CASEY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK, THERE'S A, IT'S LISTED WHAT'S WHAT ON THE BACK SO YOU CAN POINT AT THE SAME TIME.
SO YOU HAVE YOUR BRICK COLOR, IT'S THE SAME WEATHERED WOOD SHINGLE.
UM, YOU HAVE YOUR MAIN SIDE COLOR, WHICH IS THE LARGEST COLOR ON THE SAMPLE SHEET.
SHOULD BE THE MAIN COLOR RIGHT HERE.
UM, THE NEXT COLOR UP IS EAVES AND FASCIA.
THE SECOND FROM THE TOP IS YOUR SHUTTERS AND THEN THE TOP IS YOUR DOOR.
I DON'T SEE ANY SHUTTERS, BUT YEAH, IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW IT APPLIES.
SO WE COULD, WE, WE BUILD OUR SCHEMES SO THAT THEY CAN APPLY TO MULTIPLE ELEVATIONS.
SO IF AN ELEVATION HAS SHUTTERS, THAT'S THE COLOR THAT WE WOULD PICK FOR IT.
AND DO YOU HAVE A, JUST A SIDE ELEVATION OF THAT? SO THAT'S FIVE.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT FACES DEVORE.
AND THIS IS THE SIDE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE.
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ALRIGHT.SO THAT'S FIVE COLOR SCHEME TWO.
ALRIGHT, THEN RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS COLOR SCHEME THREE FOR LOT SIX.
SO THIS HAS MORE OF A KIND OF A TRADITIONAL BUT MORE RUSTIC RED BRICK.
UM, SO IT WILL LOOK DIFFERENT.
UM, IT'S VERY HARD ON A RENDERING, ESPECIALLY ON YOUR SCREEN TO GET THAT TO, TO VIEW THE WAY THE ACTUAL BRICK VIEWS.
UM, SO YOU HAVE THE BRICK COLOR, YOU HAVE YOUR SIDING COLOR, WHICH IS THE LARGEST SAMPLE.
UM, YOUR TRIM SHOULD BE THE NEXT, THAT'S TRIM, EAVES AND FASCIA.
YOUR NEXT SHOULD BE YOUR SHUTTER COLOR.
THIS HOUSE, LEMME GO BACK TO THE FRONT, DOES NOT HAVE SHUTTERS.
AND THEN THE TOP IS YOUR STAINED DOOR COLOR.
SO THE, ALRIGHT, LIKE THE BAY WINDOW THERE, THE, THE TRIM AROUND OR THE COLOR AROUND BAY WINDOW IS THE TRIM COLOR.
TRIM COLOR, WHICH IS THE SECOND COLOR UP FROM THE BOTTOM THERE.
AND MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE'RE PAINTING TRIM AND PANELS, WE'LL DO A MONOCHROMATIC.
IT JUST HAS A LITTLE BIT RICHER LOOK TO ME THAN KIND OF HAVING THE STRIPING THAT YOU GET WITH THE CONTRAST OF TRIM AND SIDING.
SO ANY PANEL WORK THAT WE DO, WE WILL PAINT IT, UM, A SINGLE COLOR.
SO, AND I'M SORRY, YOU MAY HAVE SAID THIS, BUT THE WINDOW TRIM COLOR OR THE WINDOW, THE COLOR OF THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES, IT LOOKS IT'S A DARKER COLOR.
THE TRIM, THE WINDOW TRIMER FOR THIS PACKAGE YEAH.
IS THE SAME AS THE EAVES AND FASCIA.
I'M, SO WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY, I'M KIND OF NOT SURE IF WE'RE, WHEN WE SAY I DIDN'T NECESSARILY MEAN TO SAY TRIM, I MEANT THE WINDOW, THE WINDOW ITSELF, THE SASHES THEMSELVES, ARE THEY ALL THE SAME ON ALL THE, SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT COLORS AND IT DEPENDS ON THE SCHEME.
THERE'S A BRONZE AND SORT OF MORE OF A CLAY COLOR.
AND THAT DEPENDS ON WHICH SCHEME WE'RE KIND OF PAIRING IT WITH.
MOST OF THEM ARE BRONZE, BUT WE DO INTRODUCE CLAY INTO A COUPLE OF THOSE BRONZE OR CLAY.
SO WE SEE A DARKER AND A RENDERINGS.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THE BRONZE, CORRECT.
THERE'S, WE DON'T HAVE WHITE ANYWHERE.
AND THEN JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, THIS IS OUR ROOF COLOR.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH ONE THROUGH THREE.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S SET UP, WE'LL SET UP 4, 5, 6.
SO JUST ONE, ONE THING I'M, I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE ON THIS, SO GO AHEAD.
SO ONE, TWO, AND THREE ALL HAVE THE SAME ROOF.
RIGHT? AND IMAGINE WE'RE GONNA GET THE FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX, PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME ROOF.
NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'M JUST, I LIKE THE VARIETY OF FACADES.
I WAS JUST THINKING THROUGH THAT.
IN SOME CASES IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME ROOF ON ADJACENT BUILDINGS AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NOT NECESSARILY WELL, BUT LOOKING AT LIKE LOTS ONE AND TWO.
THAT'S COLOR SCHEME THREE AND ONE.
LOTS FIVE AND SIX ARE COLOR SCHEME TWO AND THREE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE SAME ROOF SIX.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK, DOES THAT MATTER? I THINK MOST ROOFS ARE PRETTY DARK ANYWAY, COMING FROM A SUBDIVISION.
I'M NOT SOMETHING, JUST IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.
YEAH, IT'S, IT WAS REQUIRED THAT THE BUILDER PUT THE EXACT SAME ROOF ON SOMETIMES IT'S NAME ON EVERY ONE.
IT, IT REALLY ISN'T ABOUT THAT.
NO, IT IT, IT KIND OF GOES, KIND OF WENT AWAY.
I GET LOOKED BETTER THAN IF YOU DID EVERY OTHER ONE.
IT'S GOING TO GET THERE AS SOMEBODY REPLACES SOMEBODY.
I THINK ABOUT IT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL THEY ARE WHATEVER THE, YOU KNOW YEAH.
HOMEOWNER DECIDES ONES THAT CAN AFFORD THAT.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT'S CHANGED TOO THOUGH, IS THE ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLE HAS BROUGHT OUT A LOT MORE, YOU GET MORE DEFINITION.
AND JUST THE OLD, THE THE UH, THE OLDER SHINGLE STYLE, RIGHT.
WHICH WAS JUST A FLAT PIECE OF ASPHALT WITH SOME GRAND GRANULAR STUFF.
BUT I WAS TRYING TO LIKE, IF WE GET, I DON'T KNOW IF FOUR AND SIX ARE GONNA BE THE SAME, BUT IT'D BE TWO THE SAME.
I, I GUESS THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S FINE.
FOUR AND SIX ARE GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
FOUR AND LOTS SIX, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, SO, AND SCHEMES FOUR AND SIX, THEY'RE SCHEMES FOUR AND SIX AND THAT'S THREE AND FOUR.
THEY'LL HAVE THE SAME ROOF CODE.
SO YOU WHAT? SAME, SAME, SAME, SAME, SAME, SAME, SAME.
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THEY'LL BE, YEAH, THAT THEY'LL BE IN TWOS 2, 2, 2, 4 OR FIVE.WELL CERTAINLY EASIER TO BUY A WHOLE PALLET OF THE SAME COLOR SHINGLES THAN IT IS.
I MEAN THEY'RE ALL FAIRLY, THEY'RE NOT THAT DIFFERENT ANYWAY.
I MEAN THEY'RE COMPLIMENTARY SO FINE.
LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ON THE THREE THROUGH OH FOUR FOR THE FOUR THROUGH SIX.
FOUR THROUGH SIX WE HAVE FOUR AND FIVE SHARE THE COLONIAL SLATE ROOF AND THEN SIX HAS THE WEATHERED WOOD AGAIN.
WELL LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND SCHEME FOUR HERE.
SO SCHEME FOUR SHOWS UP ON LOT FOUR.
SO ON THIS ONE YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF THE BRICK.
UM, SO FOR SCHEME FOUR YOU'RE GETTING, THIS IS YOUR MAIN SIDING COLOR.
UM, THIS IS YOUR SHUTTER COLOR, WHICH ON THAT WE DO NOT HAVE SHUTTERS.
AND THEN THIS IS YOUR STAINED FRONT DOOR.
WE GOTTA GO TO THE LOT 17 NOW.
AND I'LL GO TO THE FRONT OF 17.
SO THIS ONE YOU HAVE KIND OF THE FIRST FLOOR BRICK IN ONE AREA.
SO THE LIGHTER COLORS IS YOUR MAIN SIDING.
THIS IS YOUR EAVES SPACE AND TRIM.
THIS IS SHUTTERS IF WE HAVE THEM.
LOT THREE AGAIN IS FIRST FLOOR BRICK AND IT HAS THE WEATHERED WOOD SHIELD.
SO THIS IS YOUR MAIN SIDING COLOR.
UM, EAVES, FACIA TRIM SHUTTERS.
IF WE HAVE IT WILL BE THIS COLOR AND STAINED FRONT DOOR.
SO A LOT OF THIS IS GONNA BE THESE TWO COLORS WITH YOUR BRICK.
AND ANY SMOOTH PANEL THAT WE SHOW, WE'RE ALWAYS PAINTING THAT THE SAME AS A TRIM COLOR SO THAT IT HAS THAT MONOCHROMATIC LOOK ON A BAY.
YEAH, THIS ONE KIND OF HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A TUDOR ACCENT TO IT.
SO WE'LL SET UP SEVEN AND EIGHT.
UM, IT IS THE TENNESSEE FIELD STONE.
YOU BUY BY THE PALLET
UM, WELL WE DO HAVE A PHOTO ON THE, UM, COLOR SAMPLE SHEET AND THEN I CAN SHOW YOU EVERYTHING THAT WILL BE PAIRED WITH IT.
THANK YOU FOR USING REAL STONE.
WHAT'S THAT? THANK YOU FOR USING REAL STONE.
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SO IF WE LOOK AT LOT SEVEN, YOU'LL SEE COLOR SCHEME SEVEN.AGAIN, THE LIGHTER COLOR IS YOUR MAIN SIDING.
UM, EAVES, FACIA, TRIM SHUTTERS IF WE HAVE THEM.
IT LOOKS LIKE THIS HOUSE IS PRIMARILY BRICK, AT LEAST ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
RIGHT? SO IF WE APPLY THE SAME COLOR SCHEME TO A DIFFERENT HOUSE, WHETHER IT'S PHASE ONE OR PHASE TWO, IT'S GONNA HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT LOOK.
WE WOULD APPLY IT TO A HOUSE THAT HAD MORE SIDING SO THAT YOU, YOU COULD HAVE THE TWO SCHEMES ON TWO DIFFERENT HOUSES, BUT YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW THAT THEY WERE BASICALLY THE SAME SCENE.
THEY WOULD LOOK VERY DIFFERENT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE CHANGING THE MATERIALS RATHER.
THE, ESPECIALLY THE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, THIS HOUSE LOT SEVEN, THE FRONT ELEVATION IS BRICK.
DOES THAT MEAN THE BRICK? DOES THAT MEAN ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS ARE BRICK? WE TRANSITION IT AS WE GO AROUND.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT IN OUR BLACK LINES.
YOU'LL GIMME A SECOND TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
IS THAT THE ELEVATION? SEE SEVEN.
SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD TRANSITION IT TO SIDING.
AND HERE WE'RE BUILDING IN SOME PANELS TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION.
BECAUSE WE HAVE WINDOWS THAT WE CAN LINE UP THERE.
AGAIN, THOSE PANELS WOULD BE PAINTED OUT VERY MONOCHROMATIC SO THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF LIKE STRIPING AND UH, RECTANGLES.
AND THEN WE WOULD TRANSITION TO SIDING AS WE WALK, WORK OUR WAY AROUND THE BACK AND THEN IT WOULD WRAP BACK AROUND.
WELL IT DOES HELP, HELP TURN THAT BRICK THEN.
SO YOU TURN THE CORNER WITH IT AND GIVE IT.
'CAUSE THE HOMES ARE PRETTY CLOSE TOGETHER.
SO WHAT ARE THE SETBACK? THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS LIKE 10 OR 10 FEET, FIVE FEET.
SO 10 FOOT BETWEEN THE HOUSES OF FIVE AND FIVE TO THE PROPERTY LINES.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT WAS COLOR SCHEME SEVEN.
RIGHT? AND THEN COLOR SCHEME EIGHT IS GONNA BE ON LOT 17.
IT'S ON, YEAH, IT'S ON ONE OF THE, WE WE ACTUALLY SWITCHED ELEVATIONS HERE.
UM, IT'S ON ONE OF THE INTERIOR LOTS, SO YOU DON'T REALLY SEE THAT FROM THE STREET WHEN YOU SAY INTERIOR LOT, SO IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE 13, WELL 14, 15 OR 16.
SO YOU DON'T SEE THOSE FROM JOHN SCOTT DEVORE OR HAYNES BRIDGE.
AND THAT WILL BE THE STONE ELEVATION THAT HAS THIS COLOR SCHEME AND THE WEATHER.
YEAH, THE WEATHERED WOOD ROOF WITH A NATURAL, UM, EARTHY STONE COLOR, THE TENNESSEE FIELDSTONE.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE? SO WE'RE BRETT, WE'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING AT EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS.
HOW ABOUT JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, SOMEBODY WANTS SOME, UM, EXTERIOR SCONCES OR LIGHTING OR WHATEVER.
HOW DO THEY, HOW ARE, HOW ARE THOSE FIXTURES OR HOW ARE THOSE FIXTURES SELECTED? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S, WE'RE ALSO THE BUILDER HERE.
WE, WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S OUT OF OUR STANDARD LIGHTING PACKAGE.
SO JUST COACH LIGHTS ON THE GARAGE AND ON THE FRONT PORCH.
SOMETIMES RECESS CANS ON THE FRONT PORCH, BUT, UH, NO FLOODLIGHTS AND NOTHING EXTERIOR TO THE BUILDING.
UM, JUST TRYING TO THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE ON THE EXTERIOR OF A HOUSE THAT WE MAY BE SEEING THAT MAYBE WE DON'T WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, DRYER VENTS OR, OR VENTS FROM THE FIREPLACE OR, UM, OR, UH, ALL, ALL OUR FIREPLACES,
SOME ARE FUNCTIONAL, SOME ARE DECORATIVE.
UM, BUT WE ALWAYS TRY TO TRY TO PUT OUR DRYER VENTS OR ANY KIND OF VENTS TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.
THE LAST THING WE'D EVER WANT TO SEE IS LINT COMING OUTTA THE DRYER VENT
SO WE DO, WE DO THE BEST WE CAN.
UM, ESPECIALLY ON ROOF VENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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PUT EM ON THE BACKSIDE.SO, UM, ARE THE ATTICS, I, I ASSUME THEY'RE VENTILATED, ARE THEY, HOW ARE THEY VENTILATED FIRST? DO YOU DO A RIDGE VENT FOR THE ROOF OR DO YOU DO CABLE? YEAH, WE T CABLE, WE, WE TYPICALLY WOULD DO RIDGE VENTS, BUT, UM, UM, WE, DEPENDING ON THE, DEPENDING ON THE ARCHITECTURE AND WHAT OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER COMES UP WITH, THAT MAY CHANGE.
BUT TYPICALLY WE DO RIDGE VENTS OR TURTLE BACKS.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE FOR THE APPLICANT? RICHARD? ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN, ALRIGHT, WELL I WILL DO THIS.
I'LL ASK FOR, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS FOR THE FIRST PHASE.
SO THIS IS FOR BUILDINGS OR HOMES ONE THROUGH 17, CORRECT? YES, CORRECT.
I, I, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF DESCRIBING ALL THE DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND PAINT COLORS AND, AND, AND ALL THAT.
AND, AND, AND I, I LIKE THE VARIETY OF FACADES.
I THINK IT LOOKS, I THINK, YEAH.
I MEAN ONE OF THE THINGS WE STRUGGLE WITH QUITE OFTEN IS WE GET FACADES THAT ARE TOO, TOO MUCH THE SAME.
THIS, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH VARIETY, BUT KEEPING IT ALL CONSISTENT WITH THE MATERIALS.
SO, SO WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING D RRB 2 6 0 0 0 2 MAYFAIR AT HAYS BRIDGE.
UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE ELEVATION AND MATERIALS AS PRESENTED, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION ON THE OPPOSING SIDE, ELEVATIONS OF LOTS FIVE AND SIX ON THE SECOND FLOOR TOWARDS THE FRONT SIDE, APPLICANT WILL ENLARGE THE EXISTING SMALL WINDOW AND ADD AN IDENTICAL WINDOW OPPOSITE IT TOWARDS THE CORNER.
SIMILAR BUT NOT NECESSARILY IDENTICAL SCALE TO THE OTHER LARGER SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS INTO MOTION.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SWING, A SECOND BY MR. OWENS.
WAS THAT, AND WAS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH? AND YOU WERE REFERENCING LOTS FIVE AND SIX, CORRECT? LOTS FIVE AND SIX.
ALRIGHT, CAN YOU JUST PULL UP LOTS FIVE AND THE ELEVATIONS FOR, I THINK YOU, THAT WAS THE ONE YOU WERE SKETCHING ON IF I RECALL.
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE, THAT'S YOUR REFERENCE, RIGHT? AND THOSE TWO SIDES FACE EACH OTHER, SO THAT'S WHY I SAID THE OPPOSING SIDE ELEVATIONS SECOND FLOOR TOWARDS THE FRONT.
UM, AND I DIDN'T THINK THOSE WINDOWS NECESSARILY NEEDED TO BE THE SAME SIZE AS THE OTHER WINDOWS.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT WORKS EXACTLY.
THEY MIGHT HAVE, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE OTHER SECOND FLOOR WINDOW'S A LITTLE BIGGER.
RIGHT? MAYBE THESE TWO WOULD BE THE SAME AS THAT.
UM, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THEY WOULD BE A SIMILAR SCALE.
SO THE, AND AGAIN, WHAT YOU, THE WINDOW, YOU'RE THE WINDOWS YOU'RE MANIPULATING RIGHT NOW IS THAT LOT? FIVE OR SIX? FIVE.
THESE ARE THE WAY THESE ARE DRAWN.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT LIKE THAT.
WELL, I'M JUST MAKING SURE I'M LOOKING AT LOTS.
SOME, YEAH, SO THE TWO SIDES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT HERE.
JUST, JUST A CLARIFICATION, IF I COULD, I THINK THE MOTION SHOULD BE FOR LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX BECAUSE OF THE SAME FLOOR PLAN.
WE'D MAKE THE CHANGE ON ALL THOSE LOTS AS OPPOSED YEAH.
YOU'LL NEED TO RESTATE THE MOTION.
I I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE MORE, THEY, THEY CAN DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO REQUIRE THAT.
WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE JUST REQUIRING IT ON THOUGH.
IS THAT NO NEEDS? YOU CAN DO THAT.
YOU JUST HAVE TO ON THOSE TWO.
LET'S SEE IF YOU JUST ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT ON THE, ON THE ELEVATIONS WELL SAY LOT SIX.
THAT'S LOT SIX ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ELEVATION THAT IS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT ON THE SITE PLAN, IT'S THE RIGHT ELEVATION.
OKAY, WELL IS THAT FACING? WELL IT'S THE RIGHT ELEVATION.
THE BORE ONE IN THE LEFT OF THE OTHER
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CAN YOU NOW FLIP TO YOUR SITE PLAN A MINUTE? YES.HOLD, HOLD THAT PICTURE RIGHT OR LOOK AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT LOT SIX.
IT'S PARTIALLY BRICK AND IT'S PARTIALLY SIDING.
NOW IF YOU TAKE US TO THE SITE PLAN FOR SIX LOT SIX.
IT'S PARTIALLY SIDING AND IT'S PARTIALLY BRICK.
SO WHICH IT'S THIS ELEVATION HERE, THAT'S THE ELEVATION THAT, SO WE WOULD WRAP BRICK TO THIS INSIDE CORNER.
THEN WE WOULD PICK UP SIDING ON THE REAR.
THE SIDE WE WERE LOOKING AT IS THE ONE THAT FACES LOT SIX.
CORRECT THAT ELEVATION AND THAT'S BRICK ON THAT SIDE AND THEN THE SIDING IN THE REAR.
I WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT AND AGAIN, ALMOST FROM THE INTERSECTION IT WOULD APPEAR THAT IT'S A FOUR-SIDED BRICK HOME.
BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT I, OUR TRANSITIONS WOULD HAPPEN AT THE INTERIOR CORNER TOO.
AND THEN AGAIN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT ALSO ON LOT 4, 3, 2, AND ONE.
WELL IS THAT IF, IF THEY, THAT WASN'T THIS MOTION.
IF THEY CHOOSE TO YES, BUT UM, THEY COULD.
BUT LOT FOR LIKE FOR LOT FOUR, THE SIDE ELEVATION FACING LOT THREE, THAT FIRST PIECE OR THAT IS BRICK AND THEN THE RECESS KIND OF AREA ON THE FLOOR PLAN IS THE SIDING.
I, I I MEAN NOT THAT YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR MOTION AND NO ALL OF THEM, BUT NO I'M NOT.
BUT I THINK IT, AND I WILL CLARIFY WHEN, WHEN I SAY IT'S BRICK, IT IS WHATEVER THE FRONT MATERIAL IS WRAPPED AROUND THAT SIDE.
SO IT'S THAT FRONT IS FIRST FLOOR BRICK, THEN WE WOULD WRAP THE FIRST FLOOR.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE? BE NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.
WE APPRECIATE THE UH, THOROUGHNESS OF YOUR BRINGING IN THE MATERIAL AND GOING THROUGH ALL THE ELEVATIONS WITH US.
FOR OUR BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE STILL HERE, OUR NEXT MEETING'S GONNA BE FRIDAY, JUNE 19TH.
SO, UM, PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR PLEASE AND THAT WITH THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS AND NO OBJECTIONS FROM FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, THIS MEETING IS HEREBY ADJOURNED.