[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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I CALLED THIS JUNE 4TH, MEETING, PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
UH, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS TO CONSIDER.
THE FIRST TWO ARE DEFERRED, UM, THE FIRST ONE BY STAFF, THE SECOND BY APPLICANT.
SO WE ARE NOT GONNA BE CONSIDERING CONSIDERING THOSE TONIGHT.
SO WE HAVE TWO ITEMS BEFORE WE GO TO THAT.
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
LIKE THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES FOR THE MAY 7TH, UH, MEETING.AND AS, UH, ELLA MENTIONED, YOU CAN VOTE, UH, GIVEN IF YOU ARE NOT HERE AS RECORDED.
SO WHAT IS YOUR WISH? UH, CHAIRMAN, I'LL OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BOARD MINUTES FROM THE MAY 7TH, 2026 MEETING AND THE APRIL 23RD, 2026 MEETING.
A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE PROPERLY SECONDED, OR IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[6. PUBLIC HEARING]
YOU LIKE TO READ THE, UH, THE, THE PROCESS? YES.AN INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING TO BE HEARD ON A MATTER RELATED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING MUST BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.
UPON RISING TO SPEAK, THE SPEAKER MUST IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR HERSELF AND FURNISH A HOME OR BUSINESS ADDRESS BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS.
THE COMMISSION WILL ALLOW THE PROPONENTS A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION.
OPPONENTS WILL ALSO BE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
COMMENTS ARE ACCEPT FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY PERSON SPEAKING IN FAVOR, AND THEN FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION UPON CONCLUSION OF ANY OPPOSING COMMENTS OR PRESENTATION.
THE CHAIR WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO OFFER REBUTTAL IF ANY TIME IS REMAINING THE, IN THE ORIGINAL ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES AND THE CHAIR HAS THE DISCRETION TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TIME.
THE FIRST, FIRST ITEM, ITEM TO CONSIDER IS DZ DASH 20 26 0 4 SLASH V 26 0 6 14 25 MAYFIELD.
AND KATHY, ARE YOU THE ONE PRESENTING? OKAY, GOOD EVENING.
I'LL DO A LITTLE BIT OF A RECAP.
OF COURSE, THIS WAS, UH, A DEFERRED ITEM, BUT THE SUBMITTED REQUEST, IF APPROVED, WILL ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF FIVE, UH, LOT FOR SALE.
SINGLE FAMILY DETACH GATED SUBDIVISION ON 4.56 ACRES.
PROPOSED DENSITY IS 1.09 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THE REZONING IS REQUESTED FROM AG TO R 22 AND ADVANCE IS REQUESTED TO REDUCE THE LOCAL STREET RIGHT AWAY, WIDTH FROM 50 FEET TO 44 FEET, AND ALLOW SIDEWALK, SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 1 4 2 5 MAYFIELD ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF, OF MAYFIELD ROAD BETWEEN CRAB, APPLE TRACE AND ALPHARETTA ESTATE SUBDIVISION.
AND WE PROVIDED A TABLE IN THESE, UH, STAFF REPORT THAT SHOWED THAT ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL LOTS HAVE AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF 1.43 ACRES.
AND, AND HERE'S THE MAKE SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT.
SO AGAIN, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE SURROUNDING IS 1.43 ACRES, UH, WITH PLATTED SUBDIVISION LOTS HAVING AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF 0.96 ACRES, AND THE SMALLEST LOT SIZE BEING 0.69.
SO YOU'LL SEE, OR REMEMBER WITHIN OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE HAD RECOMMENDED A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 30,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, WOULD, WHICH I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, IF THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE, WOULD LOSE ONE LOT, UH, COMPARED TO THE, THE FIVE LOTS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHOWING AND REQUESTING.
A VARIANCE IS ALSO REQUESTED TO REDUCE THE LOCAL STREET RIGHT AWAY FROM 50 FEET TO 44 FEET AND TO ALLOW SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND THAT RIGHT AWAY IS, IS SIMILAR.
IT MATCHES WIDTH OF LOCAL STREETS AND NEARBY GREENSLEY AS WELL AS MAYFIELD ESTATE SUBDIVISION.
UM, WE TALKED, UH, PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE ACCESS.
THEY DO HAVE THE REQUIRED SETBACKS.
UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING A MINIMUM SIZE OF 24,000 SQUARE FEET VERSUS OUR 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
EACH HOME WILL HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO SIDE-BY-SIDE PARKING SPACES IN A GARAGE, AS WELL AS A CODE PLANT DRIVEWAY WITH TWO ADDITIONAL SPACES.
ALSO, THE 28 FOOT PAVE WIDTH OF THE PRIVATE LOCAL STREET WILL ALLOW FOR GUEST PARKING.
AND, AND LET ME PUT HERE AS A REMINDER, UH, THE ELEVATIONS THAT THEY INCLUDED, THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR.
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NUMBER OF TREES ON THE PROPERTY.UH, IT'S PRIMARILY, UH, HARDWOODS.
AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION, THERE ARE 19 SPECIMEN TREES ON THE PROPERTY THEY'RE PROPOSING TO SAVE.
UH, TWO, YOU CAN SEE HERE SOME OF THE TREE SAVE AREAS THEY'RE SHOWING, UH, THEY, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO SAVE A WHITE OAK, AND THERE'S A SPECIMEN TREE AT THE FRONT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO SAVE.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME SMALLER, UM, OAKS THAT ARE TREES OF QUALITY.
AND ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY'LL TALK ABOUT THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IT WOULD BE A CHANGE TO OUR CONDITION, WHICH, WHICH IS A CONDITION REQUIRING THAT THEY SAVE THE OAKS ALONG THE FRONT, WHICH IS ON MAYFIELD.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'VE REQUESTED A CHANGE TO SAY THAT TWO SPECIMEN TREES WOULD BE SAVED ALONG THE FRONT.
UM, TWO SPECIMEN TREES COULD END UP BEING A JAPANESE MAPLE.
AND YOU'LL SEE WITHIN THE CONDITIONS WE PRESENT, WE HAD SAID WE RECOMMENDED SAVING TWO OF THE SPECIMEN OAKS, NOT AN OAK AND A MAPLE.
I MEAN, IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU SAVE THE OAKS, OF COURSE, WITH THE MAPLE.
BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO SAVE TWO OF THESE.
THESE LARGE OAKS TALKED ABOUT THE HOME DESIGN.
OF COURSE, THIS IS A, A SMALL DEVELOPMENT WE DID AS FULTON COUNTY SCHOOLS, THE, THE IMPACT.
AND THEY ASSUME THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COULD HOUSE APPROXIMATELY TWO TO NINE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN ON MAY 27TH.
UH, AS PART OF THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN.
AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT, THE DEVELOPER DID MEET WITH TWO NEIGHBORS WHO SPOKE IN OPPOSITION AT THE MAY 7TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
AND TOPICS OF DISCUSSION INCLUDED STORM WATER POND DESIGN, STORM WATER DISCHARGE, SPECIFIC TREE REMOVAL REQUEST, UM, REQUEST OF A DETAIL OF THE 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP PLANTED TO BUFFER STANDARDS, REQUEST FOR A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE WEST BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY, AND REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL TREES BETWEEN THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AND THE PROPOSED CUL-DE-SAC.
AND THE APPLICANT DID, UM, SEND CONDITIONS THAT THEY PROPOSED TO ADD IF THIS IS APPROVED, AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN TALK SOME MORE ABOUT WHERE THESE CONDITIONS, THESE RED LINES THAT WE SENT TO YOU CAME FROM.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A RESULT OF MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS.
WE ALSO RECEIVED STAFF RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE FROM NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION, UH, CONCERNS AGAIN OVER THE DISRUPTIONS DURING CONSTRUCTION, INCREASED TRAFFIC, FINANCIAL BURDEN FROM INCREASED PROPERTY TAXES, TREE REMOVAL, LOSS OF GREEN SPACE, AND THE, THE TIMING OF THE CZIM DENSITY, LOSS OF PRIVACY AND BUFFERING AS WELL AS IMPACTS TO WILDLIFE.
I'M SURE THE, THE APPLICANT CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THE MEETINGS THAT THEY HAVE.
THEY HAVE HAD WE REVIEWED, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND BECAUSE IT MEETS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WE DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONDITIONS.
AND I'LL PUT A LIST OF WHAT THOSE ARE HERE.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO PROVE, UH, NUMBER ONE, THE SITE APPROXIMATELY 4.56 ACRES TIED TO THE 5 22 26 SITE PLAN.
TWO, MINIMUM LOT SIZE SHALL BE 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
AGAIN, THEY'RE GONNA REQUEST, AND I'VE SEEN THE, THE RED LINES WHERE THEY'RE REQUESTING 24,000 SQUARE FEET ON THIS ONE.
THREE, THE HOME STYLE AND MATERIALS AS THEY'VE SUBMITTED, FOUR SUBDIVISIONS SHALL BE GATED AS, AS THEY SUBMITTED, FIVE DEVELOPERS SHALL IMPROVE MAYFIELD ROAD FRONTAGE WITH A SIX FOOT PLANTED BUFFER PLANTER PLANTED WITH STREET TREES, MINIMUM SIX FOOT SIDEWALK AND DECORATIVE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
SIX LOCAL STREETS SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM 40 FOOT RIGHT AWAY WIDTH, INCLUDING A MINIMUM SIX FOOT PLANTER, A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
ALL LOTS SHALL INCLUDE A SIDEWALK ALONG THEIR STREET FRONTAGE.
LOCAL STREET SHALL BE PRIVATE AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA UH, SEVEN.
MINIMUM 10 FOOT DECORATIVE LANDSCAPE STRIP SHALL BE PROVIDED ALONG MAYFIELD ROAD CONSISTING OF TREES, SHRUBS, AND GROUND COVER AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
LANDSCAPE STRIPS SHALL INCLUDE A BERM OR DECORATIVE BRICK OR STONE WALL, SIMILAR TO GREENSLEY OR HARRINGTON FALLS.
LANDSCAPING SHALL INCLUDE A MIX OF EVERGREEN AND DECIDUOUS MATERIALS.
AND EIGHT, AS DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN PREPARED BY KIMLEY HORN DATED 5 22 26.
A MINIMUM 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP PLANTED TO BUFFER STANDARDS SHALL BE PROVIDED ALONG THE
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SOUTH AND EAST PROPERTY LINES AND SHALL BE PLANTED TO PROVIDE A VISUAL SCREEN TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS APPROVED BY STAFF.MINIMUM 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP PLANTED TO BUFFER STANDARDS SHALL BE PROVIDED ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE AND SHALL BE PLANTED TO PROVIDE A VISUAL SCREEN TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
AND THEN NINE, MINIMUM 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE, UH, STRIP ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE NEW LOCAL STREET SHALL BE PLANTED WITH MEDIUM OR LARGE CANOPY TREES, SHRUBS, ORNAMENTAL GRASSES, AND OR GROUND COVER WITH A MEDIUM TO LARGE CANOPY TREE PLANTED TO IN EACH FRONT YARD AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
10 ENTRANCE MEDIAN, UH, SHALL BE PLANTED WITH LARGE CANOPY TREES, SHRUBS, ORNAMENTAL GRASSES, GROUND COVER, 11 UNFINISHED WOOD FENCES AND DECKS SHALL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM MAYFIELD ROAD.
AND THEN 12, THAT IS THE ONE THAT THE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CHANGE THAT CONDITION.
NOW THAT'S WHERE WE STATE LOT ONE HOME AND DRIVEWAY SHALL BE SITUATED ON THE LOT WITH THE LEAST IMPACTS TO TREE 2 92, 91, 2 92, AND 2 93.
AND THOSE ARE THE THREES THAT WE'VE NUMBERED HERE.
IF THIS CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED, ALL REASONABLE EFFORTS, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF LOW WALLS, SHALL BE MADE TO PURSUE AT LEAST TWO OF THE FOUR OAKS ON THE ON LOT ONE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SAVE, UH, THE JAPANESE MAPLE IN ONE ONE OF THE OAKS.
13 DEVELOPERS SHALL IDENTIFY AND SAVE ADDITIONAL TREE GROUPINGS AND A TREE OF QUALITY AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
14 DEVELOPERS SHALL REMOVE EXOTIC AND INVASIVE TREES AND SHRUBS WITH IN TREES, SAVE AREAS AND REPLANT WHERE SPARSE AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
UH, 15, IF AT GRADE RELEASE IS REQUIRED, THE POINT OF RELEASE SHALL BE SUFFICIENTLY SET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO MIMIC SHEET FLOW.
OF COURSE, THAT'S PERTAINING TO, UH, THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION.
HEAD WALLS, ET CETERA, SHALL BE FINISHED WITH DECORATIVE BRICK OR STONE VISIBLE FROM OFFSITE AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
AND 17, NO MORE THAN ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT SHALL BE PERMITTED TO BE RENTED AS RECORDED IN THE HOAS DECLARATIONS AND COVENANTS.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO TRY TO ANSWER THOSE.
UH, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. COOK? I'VE GOT ONE.
UH, SO HAS THE CITY ARBORIST REVIEWED THE UPDATED TREE SAVE PLAN FROM THE APPLICANT? YES.
AND, UH, I SPOKE TO THE ARBORIST ABOUT THEIR REQUESTED CHANGE TO THE CONDITION AND THE ARBORIST, UH, WAS NOT IN AGREEMENT TO CHANGE IT FROM SAVING THE TWO SPECIMEN TREES.
STILL THOUGHT IT SHOULD REMAIN AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
AND DID THE ARBORIST SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE 19 SPECIMEN TREES AND THE PLAN TO SAVE TWO? UH, OVERALL, HE, HE LOOKED AT IT AND THOUGHT THAT THE, UM, THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THERE'S A CONDITION IN THERE COULD BE REDESIGNED TO SAVE AN ADDITIONAL OAK TREE, WHICH IS A SPEC, A SPECIMEN TREE HERE.
UM, BUT IN GENERAL WITH THE CONDITION, HE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK ON A LOT BY LOT BASIS TO SEE IF THEY COULD INCORPORATE MORE TREES.
AND JUST ONE LAST ONE ON TREES, AND MAYBE THIS ONE GOES TO GEORGE.
UM, THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THE LAST HEARING TOWARD THE END THAT I DID GET A CHANCE TO CLARIFY, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT STATED THAT THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY GOT ON TREE SAVES FOR THE FOUR OAKS.
THE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE ARBORISTS CONFLICTED WITH THE REQUIREMENTS THEY GOT FROM THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER FOR LINE OF SIGHT ON MAYFIELD.
THEY COULDN'T DO BOTH, THAT IF THEY SAVED THE TREES, THEY WOULDN'T ACCOMPLISH THE REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, SI UH, FOR SIGHT LINE OF SIGHT DOWN MAYFIELD.
CAN YOU COM CAN EITHER OF YOU COMMENT ON THAT? UM, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY SIGHT LINE STUDIES AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD RECEIVED SOME.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE SIGHT LINES, BUT WE DID VERIFY THAT THE SUBMITTED UPDATED TREE CARE PLAN DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH SITE DISTANCE DISTANCES.
UM, KATHY, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON THE, THE TREE DISCUSSION.
UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO PUT THE UPDATED, UM, SITE PLAN WITH THE TREE SURVEY THAT WE RECEIVED? THE, IT'S IN THE UPDATED SECTION OF THE PACKET.
IT LISTS ALL THE TREES THAT ARE, THAT ARE ON THE SITE AND ALL THE BORDER TREES AND THEN THE TREES THAT ARE COMING OUT.
IS THIS NOT THE ONE THAT YOU'RE, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S JUST THE SPECIMEN TREES THAT I'M LOOKING AT, BUT IT, UM, IT'S UNDER THE TAB THAT SAYS UPDATED SITE PLAN.
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HAVE THAT AND IT'S, UM, INSTEAD OF GOT LOTS OF X'S ON IT PILLAGE THROUGH THE, UH, FILE.YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, OH, THANK YOU.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIGURE OUT TO IDENTIFY THE TREES THAT ARE BEING CALLED OUT TO BE SAVED.
I'M ASSUMING THE CIRCLES THAT DON'T HAVE XS IN THEM.
SO CLEARLY THERE'S WELL OVER A HUNDRED TREES REPRESENTED IN THE DATA THAT THE CHARTS THAT ARE BELOW.
UM, AND WE CAN SEE WITH THOSE THAT HAVE THE XS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CALLED TO BE REMOVED RIGHT? FROM THE PSYCH? THAT'S CORRECT.
THERE'S 19 SPECIMENS, BUT OF COURSE THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER TREES THAT ARE HARDWOODS THAT ARE CAUSED TO SPECIMEN.
SO GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT THIS PLAN IS IDENTIFYING, THAT WOULD BE REMOVED, UM, I DON'T RECALL THE SPECIFICS OF THE CITY'S RECOMPENSE, UM, ORDINANCE.
WOULD, WOULD THEY BE, IF THIS WAS APPROVED, WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO PAY INTO THE RECOMPENSE? YES.
AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT GENERALLY, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN REGARDS TO ADDITIONAL TREES? YEAH.
SO WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, THE SPECIMEN TREES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE SPECIMEN TREES TO RECOMPENSE THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF INCHES OF TREES THAT THEY'RE TAKING OUT.
SO THEY ALSO GET TO HAVE CREDIT FOR THE, THE INCHES OF TREES THAT THEY'RE SAVING.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT CALCULATION MM-HMM
NOW WE DIDN'T DETERMINE WHAT THAT WOULD BE, WHAT THE COST AS SHOWN.
UM, BUT IT CAN BE SIGNIFICANT COST BY REMOVING THAT MANY SPECIMEN TREES.
YES, KATHY? UH, LOOKING AT THE, THE NUMBER OF SPECIMEN AND TREES OF QUALITY, UH, NOT SURE HOW WE, UH, ANTICIPATE THE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL STORM WATER RUNOFF THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THE LOSS OF THOSE TREES.
UH, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATION WITH THE STORMWATER TEAM ON THAT ONE? THERE HASN'T.
I DID TALK TO OUR STORMWATER ENGINEER ABOUT, UH, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A CONCERN FROM NEIGHBOR ABOUT THE DETENTION RELEASE, WHICH IS ABOUT EMISSARY.
SO THE PROPERTY IS HERE AND THEN THEY'RE PUTTING THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION HERE, AND THEN THERE'S AN EXISTING STREAM THAT OF COURSE, THE WATER WOULD RUN TO.
SO WHEN THEY HAVE TO, WHEN THEY SUBMIT FOR A HYDROLOGY STUDY, THEY HAVE TO SHOW OF COURSE, UM, THE INCREASE IN RUNOFF BECAUSE ALTHOUGH YOU WILL HAVE MORE WATER THAT LEAVES THE SITE, IT HAS TO BE AT THE SAME RATE.
SO THOSE ARE CONSIDERATIONS THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH, HOW MANY THE DRIVEWAYS, UM, ANY OF THE, UM, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WILL BE PART OF THAT.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE REALLY CAN'T KNOW WHETHER THE STORM WATER, UH, AS CURRENTLY DISCUSSED, AND HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT NEEDS WILL BE SUFFICIENT ONCE ALL THOSE TREES WERE REMOVED.
OH, WE, WE WOULDN'T ISSUE A PERMIT.
IF IT WASN'T, WE, IT, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT, UM, PRIOR TO ISSUING AN LDP, THAT THE HYDROLOGY STUDY HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT, UM, FROM THE, UM, CURRENT WATER RUNOFF.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, NO TREES ARE ALLOWED TO BE REMOVED UNTIL THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED? THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT'S PART OF THAT LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT.
AND WHEN I SAY, YOU KNOW, WE ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL IMPACT, THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL WATER, IT JUST COULD BE OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
MY NAME'S DEN WEBB, 1105 WEST PEACHTREE STREET, ATLANTA, GEORGIA, 3 0 3 0 9 HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
WE BEGIN BY INTRODUCING SOME FOLKS WHO I INTRODUCED LAST TIME.
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OF MAYFIELD DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, TO MY LEFT.AND TO STEVEN'S RIGHT IS TED ANDERSON.
I HAD ANTICIPATED SOME TREE QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, HE HAS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WHO NOT ONLY WAS INVOLVED IN PREPARATION OF THE TREE SURVEY THAT YOU REVIEWED, BUT MET WITH DAVID TACK IN BETWEEN TIME.
SO, UH, I FELT INADEQUATE, UH, ON THE TREE.
QUESTIONS ENDS AND I'M SURE I WOULD BE AGAIN.
SO I'VE ASKED TED TO, UH, FILL IN, UH, AS YOU GUYS REMEMBER, WE WERE HERE A MONTH AGO.
I MADE A FULL PRESENTATION THEN.
I'M GONNA TRY AND NOT PLOW THE SAME FIELD TONIGHT, BUT I WANNA KIND OF TOUCH ON A FEW POINTS TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE, UH, LOCATION ITSELF, UH, WHICH YOU KNOW WELL, UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, THE ZONE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY.
AS YOU HEARD, THE SITE IS 4.6 ACRES.
UH, WE ARE IN THE VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, CHARACTER AREA OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT ALLOWS TWO UNITS PER ACRE.
THAT ALLOWS R 22 ZONING DISTRICT, AND IT ALSO ALLOWS A 22,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT LAST TIME.
LOOKING AT THE SAME IMAGE, YOU'LL SEE OUR SITE OUTLINED IN BLUE.
WE ARE SURROUNDED BY, AS I SAID LAST TIME, A C OF R 15.
THAT IS THE LIGHT YELLOW YOU SEE AROUND, UH, THAT MAP, WHICH REALLY DOMINATES PROBABLY 75, 80% OF THE IMAGE YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU.
SEVEN OF THE EIGHT PROPERTIES THAT WE TOUCH ARE ZONED R 15.
THERE'S ACTUALLY ONLY ONE AG ONE SITE UP IN SORT OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE PERSON WHO LIVES IN THAT PROPERTY IS A PARTNER IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AS I'M SURE YOU SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT, UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL SUBDIVISIONS IN THE AREA THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AS R 15, INCLUDING ONE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
AND THAT'S THE MARIGOLD DEVELOPING.
YOU'LL SEE THAT OUTLINED IN RED TO THE RIGHT OF THE, OF OUR SITE.
I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ON THAT PROPERTY SINCE WE LAST MET.
IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S FULLY DEVELOPED.
THE, UH, HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION, I THINK IS DAWN.
UH, I WAS ABLE TO DRIVE BACK THERE.
THERE WAS NO ANYTHING STOPPING ME.
THEY HAVE NOT STARTED VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION YET, BUT THAT SITE IS 7.52 ACRES.
AGAIN, IT'S DEVELOPED AS R 15, UH, GET YOU A LITTLE CLOSER IMAGE.
UH, THERE ARE 11 LOTS PROPOSED FOR THAT PROPERTY.
AND THE DENSITY IS 1.46 UNITS PER ACRE.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A A ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S LITERALLY, UH, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT AS WELL GET TO THAT ONE.
AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, JUST TO, UH, THE RIGHT OR EAST OF OUR SITE, THERE IS A SLIVER OF GOLD.
IT'S IN A SIMILAR RECTANGULAR CONFIGURATION AS OUR SITE, OR IF YOU COULD, DOES THIS SHOW? YEAH, THERE WE GO.
SO THAT IS KNOWN AS MAYFIELD ESTATES.
IT WOULD'VE COME BEFORE YOU GUYS WITH, IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
IT WAS REZONED FROM AG ONE TO R 22.
UH, THERE ARE SIX LOTS PROPOSED FOR THAT SITE.
AND AS I TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THIS IS WHAT WE MODELED OUR DEVELOPMENT ON ULTIMATELY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A ESSENTIALLY, UH, NOT IDENTICAL BUT VERY SIMILAR LAYOUT.
THEY, WE LIKE, THEY HAVE A 15 FOOT BUFFER ON ONE SIDE THAT'S BEING PLANTED TO LANDSCAPE STANDARDS, UH, TO PROVIDE VISUAL SCREENING.
THEY'VE GOT THE SAME ROADWAY CONFIGURATION WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT.
THEIR LOTS ARE 25,000 SQUARE FEET AS A MINIMUM, AND THEIR DENSITY IS 1.08 UNITS PER ACRE.
THERE IS ONE WAY THAT THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT MAYFIELD THE ESTATE IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN OUR SITE, THOUGH.
IF YOU LOOK AROUND IT, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT IS SURROUNDED BY GREEN, WHICH IS THE AG ONE ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH REQUIRES A FIVE ACRE LOT MINIMUM.
AND TO THE, TO THE LEFT OR PAGE WEST, YOU'LL SEE YELLOW THAT IS R.
SO ON THAT SIDE OF THIS 25,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT DEVELOPMENT, THE ZONING STRIPS REQUIRE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF ONE ACRE.
THE REALITY IS THAT THE LOTS AT MAYFIELD ESTATES ARE 40% SMALLER.
THE SMALLEST LOT THEY TOUCH ALONG ITS BOUNDARY.
WE'VE ADDED SOME DETAIL, UH, SINCE LAST YEAR.
NUMBER ONE, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, WE MADE THE ROAD WIDER, SO IT NOW MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR ONE SIDE OF PARKING.
UH, I WILL POINT OUT HERE THAT WE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL ON THE STORMWATER DETENTION BY SHOWING THIS LEVEL SPREADER DETAILS.
KATHY MENTIONED WE REQUIRED AS WE RELEASE TO SORT OF DISSIPATE AND, AND, AND MIRROR SHEET FLOW.
AND THAT, UH, DEVICE IS PART OF, OF, OF MEETING THAT OBLIGATION.
BUT, UH, I WENT THROUGH THE HISTORY OF SORT OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS PLAN THE LAST TIME.
I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH ALL IT AGAIN.
BUT JUST TO REFRESH REFRESHER RECOLLECTION, WE STARTED WITH THE REQUEST FOR R 15.
AGAIN, SEVEN OF EIGHT, LOTS OF TOUCH US OR R 15.
UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW OR WOULD'VE ALLOWED US TO BUILD NINE LOTS AT A MINIMUM OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND IT WOULD'VE, UH, OR YIELDED A DENSITY OF ABOUT TWO UNITS ACRE
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THROUGH SOME ITERATIONS AND CHANGES.WE, AS YOU HEARD AND AND WILL RECALL, ARE NOW SEEKING FIVE LOTS.
WE'RE ASKING FOR THE R 22 ZONE DISTRICT, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMP PLANT DESIGNATION.
AND THE RANGE OF LOT SIZES IS 24,602 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S OUR SMALLEST LOT TO 25,194 SQUARE FEET.
EVERY SINGLE LOT WE'RE PROPOSING IS LARGER THAN HALF AN ACRE.
UH, AND AS I MENTIONED A SECOND AGO, THE LOT MAYFIELD ESTATES ARE 40% SMALLER THAN THE SMALLEST LOT THEY BORDER.
UH, HERE WE'VE GOT A BETTER RATIO.
SO OUR LOTS ARE 24% SMALLER THAN THE SMALLEST LOT WE TOUCH, UH, ALONG OUR BOUNDARY.
UH, KATHY SHOWED THE HOUSE IMAGES.
I THINK I'VE GOT A BETTER PICTURE THE COLORING, BUT STILL A LITTLE BIT WEIRD ON THAT.
IT LOOKS DIFFERENT ON MY SCREEN.
BUT THESE ARE REPRESENTATIVE IMAGES OF THE TYPES OF HOMES THAT ARE GONNA BE PROPOSED HERE.
THESE ARE $4 MILLION, UH, RANGE TYPE HOMES.
UH, SO THESE ARE DESIGNED TO BE SIGNIFICANT AND BEAUTIFUL, UH, RESIDENCES.
SO THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE ASKED FOR DEFERRAL.
AND THERE WERE A COUPLE REASONS.
UH, NUMBER ONE, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE ROAD WIDTH AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS WIDE ENOUGH TO ALLOW FOR PARKING FOR GUESTS DURING CHRISTMAS PARTIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IT WASN'T.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WIDER.
AND NOW WE MEET THE OBLIGATION TO ALLOW FOR ONE SIDE OF PARKING.
AND AGAIN, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR THAT, GEORGE'S HERE AND CAN, UH, SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE HIMSELF.
THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT TREES AND THE TREE SURVEY WE PROVIDED.
WE ASKED TO PROVIDE A FULL TREE SURVEY.
WE'VE DONE THAT, AS YOU'VE HEARD.
AND IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT.
AND WE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE ALSO HAD OUR CIVIL ENGINEER AND OUR LANDSCAPE ENGINEER SIT DOWN WITH DAVID TACK AND GO THROUGH IT, UH, WITH HIM.
AND IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS ON THAT, THAT IS WHY TED IS HERE.
REALLY, THE BIGGEST REASON WE ASKED, UH, FOR THE DEFERRAL WAS TO MEET WITH SOME NEIGHBORS.
SO WE HAD THREE PEOPLE LAST TIME SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, UH, PEGGY AND GIBBS FRAZIER, WHO LIVE AT 1355, BETHANY COURT AND BILL LAWLER, WHO WAS THEIR NEIGHBOR AT 1365 OF, OF BETHANY COURT, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, GIBBS SHOWED A VIDEO THAT SHOWED SOME WATER RUNNING DOWN SORT OF THE FENCE LINE BETWEEN OUR SITE AND HIS HOME.
AND I SAW THAT THOUGHT, I NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
UH, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, REALLY, UH, FOR THAT REASON, WE ASKED FOR A DEFERRAL SO WE COULD GO OUT WITH OUR ENGINEER, LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHETHER WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT BETTER.
WE ACTUALLY HAD A SITE VISIT, UH, IN THEIR BACKYARD ON MAY 27TH.
UH, I WENT, STEVEN BATES WENT, UH, A, A CIVIL ENGINEER FROM KIMLEY HORN WENT.
OUR, OUR OUR PROJECT ENGINEERS BEEN OUT OF TOWN FOR A LONG TIME.
SO WE, WE, WE HAD A STAND IN WHO WORKS WITH HIM, WHO WAS THERE AND IS ALSO THERE WERE BILL LAWLER, GIBBS FRAZIER, AND, AND GIBBS WIFE PEGGY.
WHEN WE GOT THERE, WE WALKED STRAIGHT TO THAT AREA WHERE WE SAW THE, THE CURRENT COMING DOWN IN THAT VIDEO.
AND WE SAW SOMETHING THAT WAS QUITE SURPRISING, RIGHT? THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO BLACK CORRUGATED PIPES COMING OFF THE DOWNSPOUTS OF HIS HOUSE.
THEY MET ABOUT FIVE FEET APART, RIGHT AT THE FENCE LINE, RIGHT WHERE THAT WATER WAS, RIGHT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENT WAS, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T SEE THOSE IN THE VIDEO.
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? UH, YOU KNOW, OUR ENGINEER BELIEVES THOSE ARE CLEARLY CONTRIBUTING TO THAT FLOW.
YOU SAW, THEY MAY NOT BE ALL OF IT.
I KNOW THAT, UH, GIBSON, HIS WIFE DO NOT, BUT WE DO ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT THE 2000 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ROOF, IT'S FUNNELING DOWN TO THIS PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT WHERE THAT FENCE IS.
IT WAS CAUSING SOME OF WHAT WE SAW IN THAT VIDEO.
WE PROPOSED A SOLUTION, RIGHT? AND I, UH, NUMBER ONE, WE OFFERED TO PIPE THAT WATER COMING OFF HIS ROOF RIGHT AT OUR PROPERTY LINE FROM THE GUTTER DIRECTLY INTO OUR STORMWATER DETENTION.
I THINK IT GIVES, IS HERE HE CAN SPEAK FOR HIMSELF.
I THINK HE WAS SAYING HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT WATER AROUND HIS FOUNDATION, WHICH IS WHY I RAN IT TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON BASICALLY OUR PROPERTY.
BUT WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT IF THEY WANT TO DO IT, WE CAN PIPE THAT DIRECTLY INTO OUR POND, SOLVE A PROBLEM FOR HIM, AND, AND FRANKLY MAYBE SOLVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM FOR US LATER ON.
SO THAT, UH, HAS BEEN, UH, PROPOSED WHILE WE'RE OUT THERE.
WE SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT SORT OF WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR STORMWATER DETENTION AND HOW THERE'LL BE VARIOUS CATCH BASES AND THINGS AROUND THE PROPERTY THAT WILL DIRECT THAT WATER UNDERGROUND TO THE DETENTION POND.
AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN FROM THERE.
YOU KNOW, WHICH AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF AN IMPACT WE REALLY HAVE ON HIS PROPERTY 'CAUSE HE'S ACTUALLY ABOVE US A LITTLE BIT, FOR THE MOST PART.
SO HE, HE'S DRAINING ONTO OUR SITE.
BUT IN, IN ANY EVENT, WE'RE ABLE TO EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, HOW IT'S GONNA WORK, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT ANYBODY'S HAVING PROBLEMS WITH RUNOFF COMING OFF OUR PROPERTY, WHY WE THINK THAT'S GONNA BE BETTER.
AND WE ADDED A CONDITION RELATED TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, IN A SECOND.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER ISSUES WE TALKED ABOUT THAT KATHY TOUCHED ON.
UH, ONE WAS VISUAL SCREEN AND, AND, AND I THINK GIVES TIME, JUST
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LETTING YOU KNOW, FRANCIS.WE'LL LET YOU CONTINUE FOR THANK YOU.
I'M, I'M, I'M CLOSE TO BEING DONE.
I WAS JUST GONNA GET TO THE CONDITIONS.
UH, SO NUMBER ONE, A VISUAL SCREEN.
KATHY TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, WE OFFERED TO PUT UP ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE OF THOSE TWO FOLKS HOUSE A SIX FOOT OPAQUE FENCE.
THEY WANT IT UP BEFORE OR DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, RIGHT? WE'VE GOTTA GO IN AND TAKE SOME TREES DOWN, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO PUT IT UP EARLY SO BEFORE, AT LEAST BEFORE THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION STARTS, THE FENCE WILL BE THERE.
AND THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME, UH, VISUAL SCREENING FROM THEIR PROPERTY.
AND WE ALSO, AS YOU HEARD, UH, OFFERED TO PROVIDE A DOUBLE, UH, ROW, A STAGGERED ROW OF EVERGREENS ALONG THE FRAZIER'S PROPERTY LINE.
AND WE'VE OFFERED TO DO THAT EARLY TOO.
SO AGAIN, SO THAT THEY'LL AT LEAST, IF NOTHING ELSE, THE TREES WILL START GROWING A LITTLE BIT SOONER.
WE'RE GOING, WE'RE WILLING TO PUT THAT UP, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY CAN DURING CONSTRUCTION, IF YOU GUYS KNOW MUCH ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S THE LAST THING THAT GOES IN, RIGHT? TYPICALLY WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS DONE, THEY COME IN, THEY PUT THE GRASS DOWN, THEY PUT IN THE TREES.
WE'VE OFFERED TO DO THAT SOONER TO GIVE THOSE TREES A LITTLE BIT OF A HEADSTART TO GET, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SORT OF EVERGREEN TREES 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING THE, THE BUFFER STANDARD.
THOSE ARE DESIGNED TO GROW ABOUT THREE TO FIVE FEET OR EXCUSE, YEAH, ABOUT THREE TO FIVE FEET PER YEAR.
SO, UH, THAT EXTRA YEAR OR TWO, UH, COULD PROVIDE A BENEFIT.
UM, LEMME GET TO THE CONDITIONS SO I CAN WRAP THIS UP.
AND SO LET ME TALK ABOUT THESE FIRST, AND, AND, AND I WANNA BE CRYSTAL CLEAR, WE DO NOT HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THESE FOLKS ON THESE CONDITIONS, RIGHT? SO WE, WE'VE TALKED TO THEM, UH, WE HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT WE HEARD.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT 'EM A COUPLE TIMES.
IT'S REALLY PRETTY MUCH GIBBS, PEGGY, AND I, UH, UH, HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS.
BUT LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT WE HAVE AND WHY.
UM, ALL LEMME START WITH, UH, 17 A.
SO I MENTIONED THE FACT THAT WE'VE OFFERED TO PUT UP A SIX FOOT OPAQUE PRIVATE FENCE ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THESE, THOSE TWO FOLKS HOMES.
AND WE'LL, IT SAYS INSTALLATION OF SAID FENCE SHALL COMMENCE ONCE TREE REMOVAL IS COMPLETED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND BE FINISHED PRIOR TO THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT WAITING TILL THE END.
WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND DO AS, AS SOON AS WE CAN AND CERTAINLY BEFORE ANY HOUSES ARE BUILT.
NUMBER TWO, IT SAYS REMOVE TREE 2 98.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BORDER TREES THERE.
SO IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO STUDY THAT, UH, THAT PLAN, THERE ARE, THERE ARE NO SPECIMENS ALONG THE BORDER OF OUR SITE AND THEIRS.
THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT THREE DECENT SIZED TREES OUT THERE.
IT'S RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THEIR HOUSE.
AND THEY WERE, THEY, THEY APPARENTLY HAVE BEEN WORRIED ABOUT IT FALLING.
IF IT FELL, IT WOULD BE, UH, IT'S TALL ENOUGH TO HIT THEIR HOUSE.
SO THEY'VE ASKED US TO TAKE THAT OUT.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE PUT SUBJECT TO ANY NECESSARY APPROVALS IN FRONT OF THAT BECAUSE GOTTA GO TALK TO TACK, RIGHT? AND THAT'S THE FUNNY THING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT TREES.
NOW, THERE'S ONLY SO FAR YOU CAN TAKE IT AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? AND EVEN DAVID BUILDS IN A LOT OF DISCRETION, UH, DURING THE PERMITTING.
SO WE'VE SAID, WE'LL TAKE THAT TREE DOWN IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT.
UH, C ACQUIRE THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION DOCUMENTS THAT THE, UH, IN THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION DOCUMENTS THAT THE PROPOSED UNDERGROUND DETENTION BE INSPECTED, MAINTAINED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
AND THAT SAID, MAINTENANCE INCLUDE MOSQUITO CONTROL.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UNDERGROUND DETENTION FROM THEIR SIDE.
IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE GRASS WITH THE PARK ON IT, BUT THERE WERE CONCERNS, GENERALIZED CONCERNS ABOUT DE TENSION AND WHAT THAT MEANT.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COMMITTED TO IT, ADMIT TO MAINTAINING IT, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY RAISED.
HEY, PEOPLE DON'T MAINTAIN THOSE THINGS WELL.
SO WE PUT A CONDITION IN SAYING WE WILL DO IT.
AND WE THREW IN MOSQUITO CONTROL TOO.
UH, SO THAT WILL BE HANDLED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
D REFERS TO THE DOUBLE ROW OF TREES, UH, PARKED, UH, PLANTED ALONG, UH, THE FRAZIER'S PROPERTY LINE.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY MENTIONED TO US, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A COUPLE YEARS FOR US TO COME IN.
AND SO WE'VE SAID, LOOK, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT 'EM IN WHEN WE CAN.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO IT SOONER THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT CONDITION ADDRESSES.
THE LAST ONE IS, IS, IS IS A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO EXPLAIN, UH, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, A LOT OF ANXIETIES.
UH, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS ALREADY REALLY ADDRESSED IN THE CODE.
AND TWO ISSUES THAT WERE, THAT WERE RAISED WERE, WELL, WHAT IF THE STORMWATER DETENTION HAS A PROBLEM AND IT FLOODS SOMEBODY? AND I TRIED TO EXPLAIN, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE, THE DENSEST AREAS OF AMERICAN JURISPRUDENCE IS ACTUALLY WATER LAW, YOU KNOW, AND HOW IT WORKS.
AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LIABILITY IS PRETTY CLEARLY ESTABLISHED UNDER COMMON LAW.
WHO'S LIABLE FOR WHAT? AND THERE WAS A SIMILAR QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BORDER TREES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF JUST, OF A COMMITMENT THAT, LOOK, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MODIFY THE COMMON LAW.
YOU KNOW, WE, WHAT THE LAW IS, WE WILL ABIDE BY THE LAW AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, NOT IMPACT ANY LIABILITY.
I'VE BEEN VERY HESITANT TO GET TOO DEEP IN THE WEEDS ON THAT.
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THICKET OF LAW.AND WHAT I TOLD 'EM I DIDN'T WANNA DO WAS MODIFY OR CONDENSE THEIR RIGHTS, RIGHT? IF WE START PLAYING WITH IT AND SET OUR OWN STANDARD, IT MAY BE LESS THAN WHAT THE COMMON LAW WOULD ALLOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT LESS DIRECT THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS.
UH, OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WE DEALT WITH.
THERE ARE TWO OTHERS THAT I WANNA ADDRESS THAT KATHY TOUCHED ON.
NUMBER ONE AGAIN, OR EXCUSE ME.
NUMBER TWO, UH, THE STAFF'S PROPOSING MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
AGAIN, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE HERE.
WE GOT SOME HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
YOU GOT SOME HOUSES THAT ARE, ARE, ARE BRAND NEW.
YOU GOT SOME HOUSES THAT ARE YET TO BE BUILT AND THERE ARE A VARIETY OF LOT SIZES OUT THERE.
AND WE TRY TO PICK, PICK SOMETHING CONSISTENT.
AGAIN, MAYFIELD ESTATES HAS RECENTLY BEEN REZONED.
IT'S RECENTLY BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
THEIR MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 25,000 SQUARE FEET.
OUR SMALL SLOT IS 24,000 6 0 2.
SO WE ARE PRETTY DARN CLOSE TO WHAT'S THERE.
AND AGAIN, ONE LOT AWAY ARE 11 NEW 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
SO WE THINK THAT WE HAVE FOUND THE RIGHT BALANCE THERE AND, AND CERTAINLY HOPE YOU AGREE.
THE LAST CONDITION THAT I'LL ADDRESS IS NUMBER 11.
UH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SHOW STACK.
SO THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE.
IF YOU RECOGNIZE IT'S, HE, HE'S CHANGED HIS REQUEST A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, UH, UH, MORE LENIENT FRANKLY.
BUT OUR REQUEST IS ON LOT ONE.
INSTEAD OF SAVING TWO OAK SPECIMENS, LET US JUST SAVE TWO SPECIMENS.
RIGHT? AND AGAIN, IF YOU KNOW HOW THIS WORKS, THERE'S A, THE HARD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TREES WILL HAPPEN DURING PERMITTING, RIGHT? AND TACK STILL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SAY, THIS'LL WORK OR THIS DOESN'T WORK.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO NAIL THIS DOWN NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE THINK IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.
UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE'RE SAVING TWO SPECIMEN TREES ON ONE LOT THE ONE LOT ON MAYFIELD ROAD.
AND SO WE HAVE REQUESTED THAT CHANGE AS WELL.
UM, NOW WHY DON'T I STOP THERE.
UH, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
AND AGAIN, OUR REQUEST WOULD BE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE STAFF CONDITIONS AS WE HAVE, UH, MODIFIED THEM.
HOW MANY MORE MINUTES DID WE SPEND? SEVEN, 17 MINUTES.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO.
JUST A, JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE, UM, STAFF CONDITIONS AND, AND YOUR RED LINES.
IT LOOKS LIKE CONDITION NUMBER NINE FROM THE STAFF'S CONDITIONS WASN'T REDLINED, IT WAS JUST SKIPPED OVER.
AND I'M WONDERING IF IT'S, IF YOU INCORPORATED THAT IN CONDITION 17 D, IS THAT YOUR, IT'S MISSED.
IT'S SO NOT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LEMME READ NINE.
SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
ENTRANCE, MEDIAN SHALL BE PLANTED WITH LARGE CANOPY TREES, SHRUBS, ORNAMENTAL GRASSES, GROUND COVER, ET CETERA.
THE NINE FROM THE STAFF CONDITIONS, THAT'S THE NINE.
YOU DON'T HAVE NUMBER THAT NUMBER NINE.
OH NO, THERE, THERE WAS A TYPO.
WHAT I'VE GOT AND, AND AND WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE SCREEN IS WHAT WE SENT BACK.
KATHY MENTIONED, ASKED THE SAME QUESTION.
WE, THERE WAS A NUMBERING PROBLEM.
SO YOU SHOULD HAVE 18 CONDITIONS ON YOUR MARKUP AND YOU ONLY HAVE 17 'CAUSE DAF HAS 17 AND YOU ADDED, YOU ADDED A NEW CONDITION RIGHT AT THE END.
THAT'S YOUR 17, BUT IT SHOULD BE 18 IF YOU'RE GONNA GO, IF YOU'RE MATCHING, IF YOU'RE GOING ONE FOR ONE WITH THE STAFF CONDITIONS.
LOOK AT STAFF CONDITION NUMBER NINE.
STAFF CONDITION NUMBER NINE IS DIFFERENT THAN YOUR NUMBER NINE.
WELL, CAN, CAN YOU READ ME THE ONE WE MISSED? MINIMUM 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE NEW LOCAL STREET SHALL BE PLANTED WITH MEDIUM OR LARGE CANOPY TREES, SHRUBS, ORNAMENTAL GRASSES, INDOOR GROUND COVER WITH A MEDIUM TO LARGE CANOPY TREE PLANTED IN EACH FRONT YARD AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
THAT THAT WAS JUST A A MISTAKE.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
WE'LL FIX THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST A REAL QUICK QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE ANY BUFFERS ON THIS SITE? WE REFER TO THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPE STRIPS, I'M TALKING ABOUT A BUFFER ITSELF, WHICH IS TYPICALLY UNDISTURBED.
SO, UH, NO, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE OFFERING TO DO IS SOMETHING MORE, RIGHT? ALL WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IS HAVE A BUFFER ON THE NORTH, OR EXCUSE ME, THE WEST AND EAST SIDE.
BUT WE'VE OFFERED TO ELEVATE THAT BUFFER AND PLANT IT TO LANDSCAPE STANDARDS.
SO YES, WE COULD LEAVE IT AS AN UNDISTURBED BUFFER OR WE'D GO THE EXTRA STEP AND PLANT IT BASICALLY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO, WHICH IS WHAT MAYFIELD DID.
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ALWAYS APPROVED BY STAFF, UH, YEAH, OF COURSE IT TO THE STANDARD.MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR COMMISSION AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER.
I AM GOING TO OPEN THESE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE COME FORWARD SEEING NONE THOSE IN OPPOSITION.
ARE YOU IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION? I'M IN OPPOSITION.
I LIVE AT 1355 BETHANY COURT WITH MY WIFE WHO HAS A POTENTIAL STRESS FRACTURE IN HER FOOT.
UH, FIRST THING I WANT TO ADDRESS IS, UH, THE WAY THINGS ARE OPERATE HERE.
I LOOKED AT MY WATCH AFTER I HEARD TIME AND WE WENT ON TO 17 MINUTES.
I WAS GIVEN THE HOOK LAST TIME THAT I WAS HERE BECAUSE IT WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT THAT TIME WAS YIELDED PROPORTIONATELY, BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
I'LL GIVE DEN CREDIT BECAUSE HE'S BEEN CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT BOTH PRESENTATIONS HE'S GONE OVER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO.
IT'S A TOTAL, HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO, UH, A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED.
FIRST OF ALL, THE ISSUE HAS BEEN ON SPECIMEN TREES.
BUT AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED, UH, ABOUT THE STUDY OF ALPHARETTA, THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE HERE, IT WAS STATED THAT ONE OF THE ATTRACTIVE THINGS TO PROSPECTIVE RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO LIVE HERE IS THE TREE CANOPY AND THE WORD CANOPIES USED.
IT'S NOT JUST TREES, BUT IT'S A TREE CANOPY.
AND I'M CHOOSING THAT CHOICE OF WORDS FOR A VERY SPECIFIC REASON BECAUSE THERE IS A REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STATING THAT YOU'RE REMOVING A TREE WHICH IS PART OF A CANOPY, AND THEN YOU'RE REPLACING IT WITH ANOTHER TREE, WHICH MAY BE THIS TALL OR THAT TALL.
THE FUNCTIONAL PURPOSE OF A CANOPY IS SUCH THAT IT PROVIDES SHADE ONTO PEOPLE, ONTO DWELLINGS.
AND THAT SHADE REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN THE COMFORT, AND I KNOW IT DOES FOR OUR PROPERTY.
JUST THIS MORNING, MY WIFE OUT AND I WERE OUT IN OUR DECK AND WE WERE JUST REMARKING ABOUT HOW WONDERFULLY COOL IT IS.
AND THE REASON IS THAT IT'S COOL IS BECAUSE OF THE SHADE TREES THAT BORDER THE EXISTING, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SITE.
NOW THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THAT, THEY WANT TO CLEAR CUT.
AND WE TALKED WITH DAVID SHOSTAK AND, AND, AND NO OTHER WAY HAS HE MADE IT CLEAR TO US THAT THIS IS A CLEAR CUTTING OPERATION.
THEY WANT TO CLEAR CUT THE TREES.
THE IDEA IS FOR THEM TO CENTER ON THE SPECIMEN TREES, BUT THERE ARE OTHER TREES THAT SERVE A CANOPY PURPOSE.
IN THIS INSTANCE, YES, THERE'S TWO TREE 2 85 AND WE HAVE ASKED FOR THAT TO, TO BE TAKEN DOWN.
AND THEY MADE IT SEEM LIKE THEY WERE DOING US A FAVOR BY GRANTING OUR WISH.
BUT THE FACT OF MATTER WAS IT WAS ALREADY SLATED TO BE TAKEN DOWN.
SO THERE WAS NO GRANTING OF A WISH THERE.
IT WAS ALREADY SLATED TO BE TAKEN DOWN.
AND WE WOULD AGREE WITH IT TOO, BECAUSE IT DOES PRESENT A, UH, DANGER TO OUR HOME IF IT FALLS.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER TREES THAT AREN'T SPECIMEN TREES AND THEY SERVE A VERY VALUABLE PURPOSE.
OUR DECK WILL BE BASICALLY UNINHABITABLE DURING THE MORNING BECAUSE OF THE HEAT, WHICH IS GONNA COME FROM THE SUNRISE, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS BLOCKED BY BOTH SPECIMEN AND NON SPECIMEN TREES.
SO I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY TO THINK ABOUT, OH, WE'RE ONLY GONNA SAVE TWO SPECIMEN TREES.
WELL, BASICALLY THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE ONLY GONNA SAVE TWO TREES AND THEY HAVE TO BE SPECIMEN TO BE SAVED.
PLEASE TAKE IN CONSIDERATION BECAUSE AS THE SURVEY SAYS, PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO ALPHARETTA 'CAUSE OF THE CANOPY.
SO LET'S BE CONSISTENT LIKE WE'RE BEING THANK YOU FOR CONSISTENT WITH THE TIME.
LET'S BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR MESSAGING.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THIS.
AND I'VE HEARD IT BROUGHT UP AND KUDOS TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE IT CONCERNS ME.
IT'S NOT JUST AN AESTHETIC, AESTHETIC THING.
AND YES, NEW TREES CAN BE PLANTED TO PROVIDE IMP PERMEABILITY, BUT AS I EXPLAINED TO DAN ON THE PHONE TODAY, AND KUDOS TO DAN FOR REACHING OUT TO US.
AND YES, WE'VE HAD 'EM ON THE PROPERTY AND I SEE SOME THINGS TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
BUT THIS WHOLE ISSUE, I'VE, I I'VE SPOKEN TO TED, THE LANDSCAPE MAN, PRIOR TO THE MEETING TONIGHT, I, HE SAID, WELL, WE CAN PLANT DECIDUOUS TREES.
I SAID, YEAH, BUT I'M 71, IT'LL BE 80 TO THE REACH CANOPY STATE IF THEY EVEN REACH THE CANOPY STATE.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE A DECK THAT'S GOING TO HAVE AN ASSAULT OF SUN ON US, MERELY BECAUSE OF THE REMOVAL.
NOW ANOTHER THING THAT WAS ADDRESSED WAS THE TWO, UH, DRAINAGE TILES.
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GOTTA TELL YOU, DAN, I SAW THAT ONE COMING, BUT, UH, WAS A NICE EFFORT AS I SPECIFICALLY TOLD YOU WHEN YOU WERE THERE.AND I TOLD STEVEN THIS WHILE THEY WERE CASTING THEIR ATTENTION ON THE DRAINAGE TILES.
UM, THE PREEXISTING PROBLEM WAS JUST THAT IT'S A PREEXISTING PROBLEM.
BEFORE WE EVER RAN OUR DRAINAGE TILES CLOSE TO THE BORDER, THAT ANNUAL OR BIANNUAL OR TRI-ANNUAL EVENT OF IMMENSE FLOODING IN THE WOODS, WHICH WAS DEPICTED IN THE VIDEO THAT I HAD LAST TIME OCCURRED.
IT HAS, IT'S INCONSEQUENTIAL WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR BLAME TO BE CAST ON US.
WE ASKED THEM SPECIFIC QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THE UNDERGROUND POND AND THEY DID NOT COME WITH ANSWERS.
IN FACT, AT ONE TIME WHEN DAN REACHED BACK TO US WITH A PHONE CALL, HE HESITATED, BUT HE SAID THAT THE WATER, IF AT 100 YEAR EVENT DID OCCUR, BY THE WAY, EVERYBODY, LET'S JUST BE HONEST, A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT, 50 YEAR EVENT, 25 YEAR EVENT.
NOBODY GETS TO SAY WHEN THOSE HAPPEN.
WE WANT TO PROACTIVELY PREPARE SO THAT THOSE EVENTS DON'T HAPPEN.
AND SO HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE? BY THE WAY, I HAVE ABOUT THANK YOU.
UM, WE WANT TO PROACTIVELY HAVE IN OUR ARSENAL PREPARATION FOR THOSE EVENTS AND NOT SAYING, WELL, IT WAS A A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT, IT CAUGHT US OFF GUARD OR A 25 YEAR EVENT.
SO DENSE EXPLANATION, LOSS PARAPHRASE, IT'S NOT WORD FOR WORD, BUT SO THE WATER, IF IF THERE WAS AN OVERFLOW PROBLEM, IT WOULD JUST BACK UP INTO THE PIPES LEADING DOWN.
WELL THAT'S UPHILL, THAT'S CONTRARY TO GRAVITY.
AND YOU KNOW, AND THEN AT ONE POINT, WHILE HE WAS ON THE PROPERTY, HE SAID, WELL, IT'LL JUST TAKE THE COURSE THAT GOD, YOU KNOW, GRANTS WATER WELL THAT'S GOING THROUGH OUR BACKYARD.
IT HAD BEEN FOR YEARS AND NOAH HAS NO RELATION DOWN, I'M SORRY, TO THE TWO DRAINAGE TILE.
'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T, THEY WEREN'T THERE COMING OFF OUR ROOF AT THE TIME.
AND, AND, AND IT WAS AS, AS IF WE WERE TALKING TO THE WIND.
I MEAN, NOBODY COULD COME UP WITH AN ANSWER.
AND SO THIS STILL IS OF CONCERN TO US BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF IT DOES HAPPEN, WE HAD HELENE HAPPEN TWO YEARS AGO THAT WAS RECORDED DURING HELENE'S TIME, FOLKS, THAT WAS A REAL ACTUAL EVENT.
AND THAT RUNOFF CREEK WATER CONTINUED TO RUN FOR DAYS BECAUSE OF THE PONDING IN THE AREA.
SO YOU TAKE AWAY THE TREES, NOT JUST, NOT JUST THE, UH, I I REACH FOR WORDS, SPECIMEN TREES, BUT YOU TAKE AWAY ALL TREES, YOU ALREADY HAVE A PREEXISTING PROBLEM.
YOU TAKE AWAY THESE TREES, THEN YOU'VE GOT WHOEVER BROUGHT IT UP, I THINK YOU YOU DID MA'AM.
UH, THEN YOU HAVE, UH, YOU HAVE A HEIGHTENED PROBLEM.
WE SAY THAT FOR US SELFISHLY, BUT THE CANOPY PROVIDES COOLNESS TO OUR DECK.
NOW, ANYTHING ELSE THAT I HAD TO SAY? FORGIVE ME.
THIS IS, THIS IS SORT OF PLANNED, BUT IT'S SORT OF OFF THE CUFF TOO.
IF YOU JUST, UH, GIMME A SECOND HERE.
SO MY FINAL COMMENT IS THIS, JUST TO WRAP IT ALL UP, I FEEL THAT FOUR HOMES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LESS, BUT I, I WILL BE FINE WITH FOUR HOMES.
BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY TO HOLD THE DEVELOPER'S FEET TO THE FIRE IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT ARE PRESERVED IN THE PROPERTY FOR THE CANOPY'S SAKE.
AND THAT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, LET'S LOOK OVER HERE AT THE SPECIMEN TREES.
I WANT TO LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE TREES AND THE PURPOSE THAT THEY SERVE.
AND YOU MENTIONED ABOUT BUFFER.
THERE'S TALK ABOUT 15 FOOT BUFFER.
WELL, EVEN TODAY WE HAD TO REACH A CLARITY MOMENT WITH DAN BECAUSE HE WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING ALL THE TREES, NON SPECIMEN TREES.
AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THOSE TREES WITHIN THE BUFFER WE'RE IN.
WE WANT A HIGH RISE SITUATION WHERE REPLACEMENT TREES CAN BE PUT IN, WHERE BAD TREES ARE, ARE NECESSARY TO BE TAKEN OUT, BUT WE WANT TO RETAIN THE VALUE OF THOSE, UH, SPECIMEN OR THOSE BIG TREES AS THE CASH SHADOWS.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I SEE THAT FOR YOUR GRACIOUS RESPONSE IN LETTING ME, UH, TAKE THE EXTRA TIME.
I WANNA SAY THAT I HAVE NO PERSONAL FEELINGS AGAINST DAN.
I THINK HE'S BEEN A FINE PERSON TO DEAL WITH, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S SOME CLARITY THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP.
AND THE WHOLE ISSUE ABOUT THE, UM, THE TWO PIPES IS WITHOUT MERIT, THEY HAVE TOTALLY IGNORED THE SOURCE THUS FAR AND WANT TO, THEY WANNA HURRY THIS UP.
SO THANKS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN OPPOSITION.
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GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ASK THE APPLICANT WHETHER YOU HAVE YOU TO REBUT THAT, HAVE SOME TIME FOR REBUTTAL.I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, I, THIS IS, THERE'S MORE TREE CONVERSATION THAN NORMAL.
AND I THINK THE FRUSTRATING THING FOR EVERYBODY ON, ON THE TREE CONVERSATION IS IT'S REALLY HANDLED PERMITTING.
BUT I I, I DO WANNA EMPHASIZE THIS.
THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA HAS A TREE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? UH, IT EXPLAINS WHAT PROPERTY OWNERS CAN AND CANNOT DO.
AND IT APPLIES EQUALLY TO EVERYBODY IN THE CITY.
IT IS APPLIED CONSISTENTLY AND WE ARE NOT ASKING TO BURY IT ANY WAY.
WE ARE FINE WITH YOU, YOU'RE HOLDING OUR FEET TO THE FIRE UNDER THE TREE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, HE MENTIONED TREE 22 9 8, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THREE DECENT SIZED TREES ALONG, UH, THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
JUST WANNA CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, HE IS SAYING HE DIDN'T DO US ANY FAVORS BY, BY, UH, YOU KNOW, SAYING WE TAKE THAT OUT.
WE PLAN TO TAKE THAT, THAT OUT ANYWAY, WE DID.
BUT THE POINT I TRIED TO MAKE IS WE STILL CAN'T TAKE IT OUT JUST 'CAUSE WE SAID WE WANT TO TAKE IT OUT.
WE GOTTA GO TALK TO DAVID SCHACK AND GET PERMISSION.
THAT WAS SORT OF THE, THE DISTINCTION THERE.
I'M NOT TALKING ANYMORE ABOUT THE BLACK PIPES.
I MEAN, I'VE GOT A PHOTO OF 'EM ACTUALLY, IF YOU WANNA SEE 'EM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT CASTING BLAME.
THE POINT IS, EVERY DROP OF ROOF RUNOFF IS GOING TO THE POINT WHERE THAT CHANNEL ORIGINATED THAT HE SHOWED US.
IS IT ALL THAT? I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT WE, HE'S ABOVE GRADE.
YOU KNOW, IF OUR ATTENTION POND, FOR EXAMPLE, OVERFLOWED, IT'S NOT GOING ONTO HIS PROPERTY 'CAUSE HE'S UPHILL FROM US, IT WILL ACTUALLY GO DOWNHILL NEXT TO THE WOMAN, UH, TO OUR SOUTH.
SO, UH, I, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IT IS OUR EXPERT'S OPINION, OUR ENGINEER'S OPINION THAT THAT IS AT A MINIMUM CONTRIBUTING.
AND THE THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS WE CAN FIX THAT, RIGHT? WE CAN FIX THAT.
WE CAN TAKE THAT WATER, WE CAN PUT IT IN OUR POND.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE 30 FEET OF BIG FAT PLASTIC PIPE YOU GOT IN YOUR BACKYARD THAT, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T GONNA PICK A FIGHT THERE.
AND AGAIN, I'M THE ONE WHO ASKED TO GO OUT THERE 'CAUSE I SAW THAT CHANNEL OF PIPE THAT DOESN'T LOOK NORMAL.
'CAUSE I THINK WE CAN, UH, MAKE THINGS BETTER IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT BACKUP FROM THE STORMWATER DETENTION THAT CAME UP IN A A CONTEXT THAT'S IMPORTANT.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SHOULD WE GO ABOVE GROUND OR BELOW GROUND? THAT'S HOW IT CAME UP.
AND THE, THE, THE, THE ISSUE WITH BACKUP, THEY, THEY WERE ADVOCATING FOR AN ABOVE GROUND POND, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY THINK IT WILL OVERFLOW.
UH, YOU KNOW, IN EVENT THAT BIBLICAL STORM COMES.
AND THE POINT THE ENGINEER MADE WAS THE BENEFIT OF THE, UH, UH, UH, UNDERGROUND ATTENTION IS, IS IT ACTUALLY DOES PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY BECAUSE IF IT REACHES ITS LIMIT, IT WILL BACK UP INTO THE PIPE ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT WAS THE ONLY POINT THERE.
YOU HIT THE, THE, THE TOP OF A, YOU KNOW, A CATACLYSMIC STORM EVENT ON AN ABOVE GROUND POND.
IT COULD THEORETICALLY GO OVER THE BANKS ON AN ABOVE GROUND, UH, BELOW GROUND DETENTION.
IT, THE FIRST RECOURSE WILL ACTUALLY BE TO BACK UP INTO OUR SITE SO THAT PIPES THAT FEED THAT DETENTION POND ACTUAL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.
YOU KNOW, I'VE APPRECIATED THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH FRAZIER.
I REALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NOT REAL ESTATE PEOPLE.
THEY ARE ANXIOUS ABOUT THIS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, RIGHT? AND THE ONE THING I'VE HAD TO STRESS IS THIS IS ABOUT A CONCEPT, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOES THIS MAKE SENSE BASED ON WHAT'S AROUND IT, RIGHT? WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SAYS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THE DETAILS OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, TREE PRESERVATION, GRADING, ALL THOSE THINGS WILL BE DUG IN TO IT PERMITTING.
AND ALPHARETTA IS A DIFFICULT JURISDICTION, WHICH IS GOOD.
THEY DO HOLD THE DEVELOPER'S FEET TO THE FIRE.
AND SO MANY OF THE THINGS THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT, THERE ARE ALREADY PROFESSIONALS LIKE GEORGE, YOU KNOW, UH, PREPARED AND READY TO GO THROUGH HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF ORDINANCE ORDINANCES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
SO I'VE, THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF TRUST HERE.
THERE HAS TO BE A TRUST THAT THIS PEOPLE AT THE CITY ARE GONNA DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
WE CERTAINLY TRUST IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WE'RE PREPARED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT JUST DON'T HAPPEN.
UM, NO, CAN CAN WE ASK A, UM, PLEASE LET ME RESPOND TO, TO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTION.
SO ON THE TREE ON, I GUESS IT'S IN YOUR MARKUPS CONDITION 11, REGARDING THE TREES, I'M TRYING TO, AND IT'S CONDITION THIR 12 IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO WE SEE THE DISCONNECT, BUT, BUT WHY IS IT, WHAT IS THE REASON AS TO WHY AT LEAST TWO, LET'S TAKE THE LOW BAR, LET'S NOT TAKE ALL FOUR OAKS, LET'S TAKE THE LOW BAR.
WHY, WHAT IS THE REASON WHY AT LEAST TWO OF THE FOUR OAKS ON LOT ONE CANNOT BE PRESERVED? WHAT'S THE REASON? I'M GONNA ASK THE TREE GUY TO COME UP.
HI, MY NAME'S TED ANDERSON WITH KIMLEY
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HORN.I'M THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND I WORK WITH JOHN MURDERER, WHO'S THE HEAD ENGINEER AND DAILY, ON A DAILY BASIS, HE AND I ARE BATTLING WHETHER TO HOW WE CAN SAVE TREES AND HOW WE CAN 'CAUSE ON A ZONING PLAN.
THEY HAVEN'T ENGINEERED THE SITE TO AN LDP STANDARD.
SO HE AND I WILL SIT THERE AND I'LL BE LIKE, CAN WE SAVE THIS ONE? AND HE'S LIKE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I GOTTA PUT THE DETENTION AND ALL THAT.
I'M LIKE, COME ON, HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? SO WE CONSTANTLY BATTLE TO SAVE TREES AND EVERY TREE WE SAVE, WE GET TO COUNT TOWARDS, UM, DENSITY AND RECOMPENSE.
SO IT HELPS US TO SAVE THE TREES ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, JOHN JUST IS NOT GIVING TOO MUCH BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT WE'LL BE SAVING TREES LATER ON WHEN HE STARTS GRADING THE SITE.
WE'RE NOT JUST SAVING A COUPLE SPECIMEN TREES, WE'RE ACTUALLY SAVING QUITE A FEW TREES.
AND I THINK THAT NUMBER WILL INCREASE AS THEY START GETTING MORE DETAILED GRADING.
AND YEAH, I SERVE AS A GO-BETWEEN DAVID AND JOHN BECAUSE DAVID WANTS YOU TO SAVE EVERY TREE AND JOHN'S AN ENGINEER AND WANTS TO MAKE IT WORK.
SO IN THIS SITUATION, IT'S JUST A, I THINK A, IT'S REALLY EARLY TO TELL HOW MANY TREES WE CAN SAVE.
WHAT'S THE SUGGEST? AND I'M SORRY, WHO'S JOHN? JOHN MARTYR IS THE HEAD ENGINEER THAT AT KIMLEY HORN.
HE'S THE ENGINEER THAT IS OVER THE SINGLE FAMILY AREA.
THE SINGLE FAMILY ORGANIZATION IN KIMLEY-HORN.
IS THE CIVIL AT OUR COMPANY, THE CIVIL ENGINEER.
SO I I HE WILL BE SIGNING THE PLANS.
SO I, I RESPECT WHAT YOU SAID.
YOU SAID SOMETIMES IT'S DETENTION AREAS THAT IMPACT TREES, SOMETIMES IT'S BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC REASON? I'M GONNA GET BACK TO MY QUESTION.
THE SPECIFIC REASON AS TO WHY TWO OF THOSE FOUR OAKS, OH, LOT ONE CANNOT BE PRESERVED BECAUSE THE ENTRANCE HAS TO COME IN ON THE NORTH SIDE.
WE STILL HAVE TO GET A DRIVEWAY INTO THE HOUSE.
AND YES, I WAS BATTLING HIM ON THOSE THREE TREES AND HE'S NOT, AT THIS POINT, WE CAN TRY TO SAVE HIM, WE CAN MAKE AN EFFORT TO SAVE HIM, BUT BECAUSE HE HASN'T DONE A FULL GRADING PIN ON THE SITE, HE CAN'T PROMISE THAT SO, SO WE RUN INTO THAT ISSUE.
SO IT'S, IT'S BOTH THE ENTRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE DRIVEWAY PREVENT THOSE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, ACTUALLY WE, WE HAVE BEEN, LET ME STOP FOR JUST A MOMENT.
YEAH, WE ARE A LITTLE BIT, CAN YOU OVERHEAD, EXCUSE ME, PLEASE.
WE ARE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER.
I NEEDED TO TURN THIS OVER TO THE BOARD AND YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO ASK.
SORRY, I'M TURNING THIS OVER TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW YOU CAN PROCEED.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DIAGRAM AS TO THAT SHOWS THE REASONS WHY THIS IS LOT ONE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRANCE COMES IN.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY COMING INTO THE HOUSE HEADING SOUTH.
THE TREES IN QUESTION ARE RIGHT THERE.
AND THE CRZ OF THE TWO SPECIMEN TREES RIGHT THERE, I MEAN THEY'RE ALREADY WAY OUT HERE.
THERE'S A 15 INCH OAK THAT I'VE BEEN, I'M TRYING TO GET THEM TO SAVE, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THAT GROUP.
THAT'S A DECENT SIZED TREE THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO SAVE BECAUSE ITS CRZ IS SMALLER AND IT HAS LESS IMPACT.
A LOT OF TIMES IF YOU SAVE A TREE BUT DO ENOUGH DAMAGE, IT'S GONNA COME DOWN ANYWAY IN 10 YEARS.
AND I SEE THAT A LOT WHEN YOU REMOVE TREES FROM AROUND A SPECIMEN TREE.
IN FACT, DAVID AND I ARGUE ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME.
A TREE GROWN UP IN THE WOODS DOES NOT HAVE THE TRUNK STRENGTH TO HOLD ITSELF UP.
ONCE YOU REMOVE THE TREES AROUND IT, A GOOD STORM COMES BY AND IT'S GONNA GO OVER.
SO SAVING JUST ONE TREE, IT'S ALMOST NOT EVEN SAFE TO ME.
I, WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TOLD US.
IF A TREE'S GROWING UP ON ITS OWN, IT GROWS WITH A STRONG TRUNK THAT CAN TAKE THE WIND.
BUT WHEN IT'S GROWING IN A GROUP OF TREES, THAT GROUP IS WHAT'S KEEPING THE TREE FROM FALLING OVER AS A WHOLE.
WHEN YOU REMOVE ALL THE TREES AROUND IT, THAT TREE DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH STRENGTH TO STAY UP.
A GOOD STORM COMES BY IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS IT'S GONNA COME DOWN.
SO THAT'S WHY THE 15 INCH WOULD BE A BETTER TREE TO SAVE 'CAUSE IT'S SMALLER AND IT WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF LIVING THROUGH THAT.
SO YEAH, SAVING SPECIMEN TREES IS GREAT, BUT
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THERE, THERE CAN BE PROBLEMS WITH THAT.ALRIGHT, WE ARE IN DISCUSSION.
SO CAN I ASK, UM, YES, UH, KATHY TO COME FORWARD? THANK YOU.
UM, I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR YOUR, UM, UH, INSIGHT IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE JUST HEARD IN REGARDS TO, UH, THE TREES.
AND, AND, AND WHILE YOU ARE THERE, UH, YOU CAN ALSO DISCUSS THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE NOT WRITTEN IN CONDITION OF ZONING FORMAT.
AND I DUNNO WHETHER YOU HAD SEEN IT BEFORE IT CAME TO US.
SO YOU CAN INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR RESPONSE.
AND IF I COULD RESPOND TO, UM, WHAT, UH, MR. WEBB WAS SAYING ABOUT DAVID WORKS IT OUT, DAVID DOES NOT WANNA WORK IT OUT.
YOU KNOW, AFTER SOMETHING'S GONE THROUGH A ZONING HEARING, I'VE NEVER SEEN SOMEBODY SHOW, YOU KNOW, REMOVAL OF A SPECIMEN TREE AND THEN THEY DECIDE WITH DAVID THAT THEY'RE GONNA SAVE THOSE SPECIMEN TREES.
UM, I'VE, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN.
NOW WE'VE HAD TREES OF QUALITY BEFORE THAT MAYBE THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK IN, BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN WHERE YOU SHOW REMOVAL OF, YOU KNOW, 18 SPECIMEN TREES AND THEN YOU COME AND MEET WITH DAVID AND NOW YOU'RE PUTTING THEM BACK IN.
UM, AND IN FACT WHAT HAPPENS IS A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL HAVE AN APPLICANT COME IN AND SAY, THIS WAS APPROVED, THESE WERE APPROVED, THEY WERE SHOWN XS TO BE REMOVED.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO BE SHOWN.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE TREE SAFE ARE JUST IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, CLOUDED IS TREES OF QUALITY AND THAT'S FINE.
THOSE ARE THINGS YOU CAN, YOU CAN WORK OUT.
UM, WE DO ONLY TALK ABOUT, MOSTLY TALK ABOUT SPECIMEN TREES AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
AND THEY'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SPECIMEN TREE SURVEY AS PART OF, OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
AND WE LOOK AT THOSE SPECIMEN TREES AND A LOT OF THE TIME YOU, YOU KNOW, SAVING THOSE ALONG THE FRONTAGE SO THAT YOU STILL HAVE THAT THE VIEW YOU'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, ALONG MAYFIELD OR TREES THAT HE FINDS THAT ARE IN GOOD QUALITY AND THE RECOMMENDATION FOR, YOU KNOW, RECONFIGURING THE CUL SAC IN ORDER TO SAVE ANOTHER HEALTHY TREE.
AND THE THE ARBORIST WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT.
HE SEES THAT SOMETIMES THOSE DIE DIE 10 YEARS LATER.
YOU STILL HAVE THAT SPACE UNDERNEATH IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU STILL HAVE THAT GREEN SPACE AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPLANT IN AN AREA WHERE YOU'VE, YOU'VE SAVED A SPECIMEN TREE.
SO I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S VERY TOUGH FOR DAVID TO TRY TO GET TREES THAT AREN'T SHOWN AS PART OF THE, UM, CONDITIONS OF ZONING.
AND THEN, UH, YOU HAD ASKED, LET'S SEE, YEAH, CURRENT CONDITION, WELL LANGUAGE SUCH, UH, SUGGESTED FOR 17, THERE'S 18 INCLUDING STAFFS NOW.
I THINK 17 IS, I MEAN, 17 IS OKAY, UH, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
UM, ON B 17 B, HE DIDN'T PUT AS APPROVED BY THE, OR AS APPROVED BY THE CITY ARBORIST.
IF THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TREE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY LINE THAT THE NEIGHBOR, UH, MAY WANT TO SEE REMOVED.
IT MAY BE POOR CONDITION AND, AND WE ALREADY REQUIRE SEA.
I MEAN, IT'S FINE TO PUT IT IN THERE.
WE ALREADY, UM, BEFORE WE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, A, A PERMIT FOR A NEW HOME, WE ALREADY REQUIRE THAT THEY GIVE US, UH, THE PROPOSED COVENANTS THAT WILL BE IN PLACE AND IT, AND IT REQUIRES THE ANNUAL INSPECTION AND REPORTING.
IT'S JUST WE WOULD ALREADY REQUIRE D WITH THE STAGGERED PLANTING AND THE, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET AS MANY TREES WITHIN THE, THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE GROUPS AND BUFFERS.
AND THEN EII DID SPEAK TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY.
SHE, SHE SAID THAT SHE'S OKAY WITH IT, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY ADD ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY A KNOWN, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT CAN CERTAINLY BE IN THERE.
SHE SAYS SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY HEARTACHE ABOUT ADDING IT.
KATHY, I DID HAVE A, A FOLLOW ON QUESTION RECURRING HERE.
THE CITY'S TAKE IS 30,000 SQUARE FEET FOR THE LOT OR FOOTPRINT.
COULD YOU FOR THE RECORD, SAY WHY IS IT THAT WE, THE CITY WANT 34? I KNOW WHY THEY WANT 24 24 AND CHANGE, BUT WHY DOES THE CITY WANT THE 30? YEAH, SO WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT ANY APPLICATION FOR ZONING, AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT MENTIONED OTHERS, WE ALWAYS LOOK TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND WHAT THE
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ACTUAL LOT SIZE IS.UM, THE APPLICANT HAD MENTIONED OTHERS THAT MAY HAVE AN AG ZONING OR, BUT STILL MAYBE IT'S A HALF ACRE LOT.
SO WE LOOK AT THE ACTUAL LOT SIZE.
UM, AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, ON ITS OWN MERITS THERE, WE PROVIDED A TABLE THAT SHOWS A DAY ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL LOTS HAVE AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF 1.43 ACRES WITH PLOWED SUBDIVISIONS HAVING AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF 0.96.
AND WE ACTUALLY WENT WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SMALLEST LOT SIZE THAT WE, WELL, THAT WE SAW, UH, WHICH WAS THE 0.69 ACRES.
THEREFORE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT TRYING TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT'S CONDITIONS, 17 ACTUALLY 18 C UH, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT'S SUPPOSED TO, THAT'S IMPLIED OR ASSUMED LANGUAGE HAVING SOME RECENT EXPERIENCE WITH, UH, BURIED STORMWATER PIPE.
UH, I WONDER IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE, MENTION THAT WHILE MAINTAINING AND CLEANING A DETENTION POND, UH, SOMEONE ELSE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEARING OUT THE PIPE.
'CAUSE IF THE ASSUMPTION IS IF THERE, IF THERE'S OVERFLOW, IT'LL BACK INTO THE PIPE.
IF IT'S CLOGGED WITH DEBRIS, THAT WILL NOT FUNCTION WELL.
PART OF A PART OF AN ANNUAL INSPECTION IS TO LOOK IF IT'S, UM, CLOGGED OR DEBRIS, BUT THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO PIPES AS WELL.
I'M SORRY, ANY ALL FEEDER PIPES AS WELL WITH ON THAT PROPERTY? CORRECT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OFFSITE? YEAH, NO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S FUNCTIONING.
SO YOU WOULD LOOK AND SEE IS THE PIPE CLEAR COMING INTO THE STRUCTURE? GOT IT.
AND IS IT CLEAR LEAVING THE STRUCTURE.
Q AND KATHY, IF I MAY, I KNOW I'M GOING BACK TO IT, BUT WE ARE USING LANDSCAPE STRIP AND BUFFER INTERCHANGEABLY AND THEY'RE NOT, ARE THEY, A BUFFER IS SOMETHING YOU REALLY CAN'T TOUCH? I THINK THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A ONER BUFFER VERSUS SOMETIMES WE'LL USE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS PLANTED TO BUFFER STANDARDS WITH THE BUFFER STANDARDS MEANS THAT IT WILL BECOME OPEC.
OH, THEY JUST MENTIONED THE WESTERN BUFFER.
YEAH, THERE, THERE ARE NO UNDISTURBED BUFFERS BUFFERS ON THIS SITE.
SO SINCE WE'RE UM, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION, I'M GONNA SHARE MY THOUGHTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT CONCERNS ABOUT THE TREE SAVED PLAN AND THE DISCONNECT WITH THE ARBORIST AND THE ISSUES WITH THE OAKS.
UM, I'LL JUST LEAVE THAT AT THAT ON THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, YOU KNOW, IF I TIE BACK TO OUR STANDARDS FOR ZONING CHANGES AND LETTERS A AND B ON THOSE STANDARDS, IT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT IMPACTS TO ADJACENT OWNERS AND PROPERTIES.
AND I JUST THINK THE UM, THE SMALLER 24,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS WOULD CREATE A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.
AND YOU CAN LOOK, LOOK HERE AT THE FOOTPRINT ON THE WEST SIDE, ON THE BETHANY COURT SIDE, THERE'S THREE HOUSES BORDERING THIS PROPERTY.
UM, ON THE EAST SIDE THERE'S TWO HOUSES BORDERING THAT PROPERTY.
AND WE'RE GONNA PUT FIVE IN THE MIDDLE AND CREATE, UM, I BELIEVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT FOR THOSE ADJACENT OWNERS WITH MORE DENSITY, UH, THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.
SO DID I HEAR A BIRD OR
I WOULD SAY I ABSOLUTELY CONCUR, UM, WITH YOUR THOUGHTS AND, UM, I AM INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE STAFF CONDITIONS AS, AS WRITTEN.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE LOT SIZE AND, UM, THE CONDITIONS PERTAINING TO THE SPECIMEN TREES AND SO FORTH.
UM, I I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE STAFF CONDITIONS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL Z DASH 26 DASH OH FOUR
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V DASH 26 DASH OH SIX, UH, INCLUDING ALL CONDITIONS AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF EXACTLY AS WRITTEN WITH THE ADDITION OF THE 18TH CONDITION AS WRITTEN AND SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.ONE MINOR REVISION TO CONDITION 18 B TO REMOVE TREE 2 98 AS SHOWN ON TREE SURVEY, ADD THE LANGUAGE AS APPROVED BY THE CITY ARBORIST.
SECOND, A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPERLY SECONDED.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO, AND WE CAN DISCUSS THE MOTION AS IS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO APPLICANT ADDITION, WHICH IS NOW 18.
UM, IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN FORM OF A, A CONDITION OF ZONING.
WE DON'T SAY THAT APPLICANT AGREES TO SAY THE APPLICANT SHALL DO THE FOLLOWING.
UM, AND YOU'D ALSO FIX THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE A, B, C, AND D TO READ THE SAME, NOT SAY TO REQUIRE THAT THE TREE TREES PLANTED THAT I'M READING B TO SAY, UM, TREES PLANTED IN A MINIMUM 15 LANDSCAPES, TREE PLANTED TO B SHALL BE PLANTED TO B BUFFER STANDARDS.
I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MARK IT UP, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD.
AND THAT CAN BE PROBABLY CORRECTED BASED ON OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
I AGREE WITH YOU KATHY E AS NECESSARY IT IN THAT'S IN LAW ALREADY, BUT, UM, IT'S FINE TO LEAVE IT THERE.
I I PARTICULARLY DON'T LIKE HO PATCH OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WHEN THESE PROPERTIES WAS SUBDIVIDED THEY DIDN'T ANTICIPATE REDEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU CAN GET THIS LONG STRIP OF PIECES OF LAND DEVELOPED TO DIFFERENT STANDARDS AND, AND IT JUST, WE, IT'S A, A CHARGE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S USUALLY BETTER WHEN YOU AGGREGATE OR BRING SEVERAL TOGETHER AND DO ONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT THE WAY IT IS.
UM, YOU HAVE A VERY LONG PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE AND VERY NARROW THAT IS, IS HARD TO, TO DO A LOT OF THINGS ON IT, UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE MINIMUM LOAD SIZE BEING 30,000, UM, SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS GOING TO CHANGE A LOT OF THE THINGS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THE DENSITY IS REDUCED.
AND I TRUSTED THE STAFF WHO WORK WITH THEM DURING THE LDP PROCESS TO, UH, REGARDING THE STORM STORMWATER ISSUE AND THE BLOOD DISTURBANCE IN GENERAL BEFORE PERMITTING.
THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THE MOTION.
CAN I JUST ASK ONE? SO FOR WHAT, UH, CONDITION NUMBER 18, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE SAYING SUBJECT TO ANY NECESSARY APPROVALS THE APPLICANT SHALL, AND THEN CONSTRUCT, REMOVE THAT.
THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT IT STATED.
THANK, THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
EVEN SUBJECT TO NECESS APPROVALS IS NOT NECESSARY.
YOU SAID THE APPLICANT SHALL CONSTRUCT A SIX FOOT OR PICK PRIVACY FENCE.
UM, SO I I HAVEN'T GONE IN AND TRIED TO EDIT IT.
SO
UM, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FIVE YEARS AND I I RECALL ONE INSTANCE WHERE WE DISSIMILAR MOTION WHERE WE MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE AFTER SPENDING AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES ON TWO CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT DOESN'T AGREE ON.
SO HOW DOES THAT, CAN WE RECOMMEND APPROVE? I I KNOW I THINK WE CAN, OTHERWISE YOU WOULD'VE STOPPED US.
BUT HOW DOES THAT WORK BETWEEN NOW AND COUNSEL WHERE WE APPROVE SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S A VEHEMENT DISCONNECT AND DISAGREEMENT ON TWO CONDI, TWO OF THOSE CONDITIONS WITH THE APPLICANT? I'M SURE THEY'LL JUST RED LINE THOSE CONDITIONS AND TRY AND PROBABLY REQUEST COUNSEL THE SAME THING THAT THEY'VE BEEN REQUESTING OF YOU AND THEN IT'LL BE UP TO COUNCIL JUST LIKE IT WAS UP TO THE COMMISSION ON WHETHER THEY WANT TO CHANGE.
WE'RE APPROVING THE 30,000 SQUARE FEET RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING RECOMMENDING COUNCIL.
ALL OF THIS WE'RE, BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THE CONDITION ON MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND ON TREES THAT THE APPLICANT DOESN'T AGREE WITH TODAY.
SO I'M SURE THAT WHEN MAYBE, UM, THEY WILL AGREE OKAY, BUT IF THEY DON'T THEN THEY WOULD JUST RELY ON THAT AND ALSO MAKE THE CASE AT COUNCIL FOR THEIR DECISION.
AND COUNCIL MAKES THE FINAL DECISION.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS?
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HEARING NANO IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.MOTION CARRIES AND IT'LL BE HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE THE 22ND, 2026.
THE SET ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS MP DASH 26 DASH ZERO SEVEN SLASH CU DASH 26 DASH ZERO SIX.
HONEY HALL PRESTON RAGE MASTER PLAN.
THIS, THIS NEXT ITEM BEFORE YOU THE APPLICANT, JOLINA WILKINS, I HOPE I SAID THAT CORRECTLY.
COLOR CORRECTLY IS REQUESTING A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT AND CONDITIONAL USE TO OPERATE A SPECIAL EVENT FACILITY IN A 3,120 SQUARE FOOT SUITE WITHIN PRESTON RIDGE COMMONS.
A MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF UP TO 145 PEOPLE IS REQUESTED AND THERE'S A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, REQUESTED TO ADD SPECIAL EVENT FACILITY IS A CONDITIONAL USE TO POD ONE OF THE PRESTON RIDGE MASTER PLAN AND A CONDITIONAL USE IS REQUESTED TO ALLOW A SPECIAL EVENT FACILITY FOR THE HUNT HALL.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 0 5 5 NORTH POINT PARKWAY SUITES 800 900 AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WEBB BRIDGE ROAD IN NORTHPOINT PARKWAY.
AND THEN I HAVE A, A KIND OF A, A LITTLE BIT OF A CLOSER LOOK AT THE, THE LOCATION.
SO THIS IS THE PARK, THIS IS THE SUITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
PRESTON RIDGE COMMONS IS APPROXIMATELY 6.34 ACRES DEVELOPED WITH A 14,286 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STRIP CENTER AT THE CORNER OF WEBB AND NORTH POINT.
IT HAS 12 TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS, UH, WHICH ARE 159,000 110 SQUARE FEET TO THE WEST AND SOUTH OF THE RETAIL CENTER.
SO IT'S SURROUNDING, UH, BY THE OFFICE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE, UH, LITTLE OVER 14,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL CENTER.
AND AGAIN, UM, SHE'S LOOKING AT THE CORNER FOR THE THE EVENT FACILITY.
THE HONEY HALL IS A NEW BUSINESS OFFERING, PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED RESERVATION ONLY BOUTIQUE SPECIAL EVENT SPACE.
THE APPLICANT'S BUSINESS WOULD OCCUPY SUITES 800 900 LOCATED AT THE END, MAXIMUM CAPACITY 145 AND IT WILL ACCOMMODATE EXECUTIVE EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE.
EVENTS, CORPORATE TRAINING, PROFESSIONAL WORKSHOPS AND SEMINARS, CLIENT MEETINGS AND PRESENTATIONS, PROFESSIONAL NETWORKING RES RECEPTIONS, SMALL BRAND ACTIVATION AND LAUNCH EVENTS, BOUTIQUE WEDDINGS AND WEDDING RECEPTIONS, PRIVATE MILESTONES, MILESTONE CELEBRATIONS, UH, LIKE BIRTHDAYS AND ANNIVERSARIES.
HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE EIGHT TO 11:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND THE APPLICANT WILL BE THE SOLE EMPLOYEE FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT FACILITY.
AND THEN OF COURSE, CATERING SERVICES, UH, MAY INCLUDE SERVING ALCOHOL, BUT THERE WILL BE NO ALCOHOL SALES, UH, PERMITTED.
AND WE LOOKED AT TRAFFIC USING THE APPLICANT'S MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF 145 PEOPLE.
AVERAGE VEHICLE OCCUPANCY OF TWO AND A HALF PEOPLE PER CAR.
IT'S ESTIMATED THE EVENT WOULD GENERATE 58 VEHICLES AT FULL CAPACITY AND, UH, STAFF REVIEWED THE HOURS OF OPERATION AT THE, THE OTHER RETAILERS.
IT LOOKS LIKE TWO OF THE FIVE, THEY CLOSE AROUND SIX 30, SO THERE'S AVAILABILITY TO KINDA TO TO SHARE PARKING.
AND THE APPLICANT'S PARKING PLAN ALSO IDENTIFIED A RIDE SHARE PICKUP AND DROP OFF ZONE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE, YOU CAN SEE IT IN BLUE.
SO THE DROP OFF IS HERE AT THE CORNER OF THE SUITE AND THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABLE TO JUST EXIT AT THE BACK AND THEN ONTO NORTH POINT PARKWAY.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO WORKING, UM, TO OBTAIN A EASEMENT FOR PARKING THAT WOULD BE BEHIND THE BUILDING.
SO THERE'S 57 SPACES LOCATED BEHIND THE BUILDING.
IF THERE'S ANY NEED FOR THE OVERFLOW AND BECAUSE THIS IS OVERSEEN BY ONE, UM, DEVELOPMENT, SHE SHE'LL BE ABLE TO OBTAIN THAT AND WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A COPY OF THAT RECORDED EASEMENT AS PART OF IT.
WE ALSO, AS PART OF THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT WINS THE AWARD FOR BEST OUTREACH.
IT WAS JUST A WONDERFUL, UH, I WAS LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT IS INCLUDED, UM, THAT, THAT, UM, SHE PUT OUT AND, UH, THE ORGANIZATION TO TRY TO GET COMMENTS BACK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM OTHER RETAILERS, THE OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN THE, THE OFFICE PARK AND JUST HAD AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT WERE, WERE
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DONE.UM, STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL IN CONSIDERATION OF THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT CONDITIONAL USE AND WE, UM, DO NOT BELIEVE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S SUPPORTIVE, UM, AND IT'S GOOD SYNERGY FOR THE REST OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF MP 26 0 7 CU 26 0 6, THE HALL EVENT CENTER, PRESTON RIDGE, SUBJECT TO EIGHT CONDITIONS, ONE SPECIAL EVENT FACILITIES OUT AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN POD ONE.
AND I DIDN'T MENTION AUDITORIUM IS ALLOWED WITHIN A PRESTON RIDGE MASTER PLAN, BUT A SPECIAL EVENT FACILITY WAS NOT.
BUT PRESTON RIDGE IS, IS A MASTER PLAN FROM THE EIGHTIES.
SO, UM, SPECIAL EVENT FACILITY WAS NOT DEFINED AT THAT TIME.
TWO, IT'S LIMITED TO THE APPLICANT'S 800 900 SUITE 3,120 SQUARE FEET AND CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE HONEY HALL.
UH, FOUR SPECIAL EVENT FACILITIES SHALL BE LIMITED, NO MORE THAN 145 MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY AS ALWAYS DETERMINED BY THE FARM MARSHAL.
FIVE HOURS OF OPERATION, 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
AND SIX, APPLICANT SHALL DESIGNATE WITH SIGNAGE OR PAVEMENT MARKINGS OF RIDE SHARE, PICKUP AND DROP OFF AS DEPICTED.
AND SEVEN, IF A PARKING PROBLEM IS IDENTIFIED BY THE CITY, THE HONEY HALL SHALL BE REQUIRED TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM BY REDUCING THE CAPACITY EVENTS, PROVIDING AN OFFSITE PARKING AGREEMENT FOR PARKING WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE FACILITY, PROVIDING VALET AS APPROVED BY STAFF AND THEN A OVERFLOW SHARED PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED FOR THE BUSINESS SUBSTANTIALLY AS DEPICTED ON THE PARKING PLAN PREPARED BY A WOODWARD ARCHITECTURE DATED 8 5 8 26 PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED USE, THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE THE CITY WITH A COPY OF THE RECORDED PARKING AGREEMENT.
AND THAT CONCLUDES, UM, STAFF PRESENTATION IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
HOW MANY SPECIAL EVENT FACILITIES DO WE HAVE IN ALPHARETTA? THIS IS ACT, THE ONLY ONE THAT WE FOUND THAT WOULD, IS SIMILAR FOR CORPORATE EVENTS, UM, SIMILAR IN SIZE IS CALLED ONE 16 RESERVE.
WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND IT, IT HAS BEEN IN PRETTY HIGH DEMAND AND IT'S ALSO WITHIN A RETAIL CENTER.
LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE A LOT OF BIRTHDAYS, LIKE, UM, BIG BIRTHDAY CELEBRATIONS, ANNIVERSARIES, THEN YOU GO TO PLACES LIKE THE METROPOLITAN CLUB, WHICH IS A, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF EVENT FACILITY.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THESE.
WE, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THESE, UM, SPACES THAT EXIST.
AND THAT'S THE REASON I ASKED 'CAUSE I WASN'T AWARE OF ANY.
UM, AND I, I ONE OTHER THAT'S, THERE IS A GREAT NEED FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES IN GROWING COMMUNITIES BECAUSE THERE ARE PLACES CAN MEET.
IT'S LIKE IN A HOTEL WHERE YOU DID AND YEAH, TRUE.
SO I THINK IT'S, UM, IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
ISN'T THERE ONE JUST ON THAT SUBJECT, ISN'T THERE ONE OVER ON HANSFORD ROAD THAT WE APPROVED IN A, UM, YEAH, RIGHT DOWN ON, UH, UM, IN OUR OFFICE, OLD OFFICE BUILDING, THERE'S AN INDIAN RESTAURANT IN THAT HAYNES BRIDGE.
I THINK IT, I THINK IT THERE'S AN OLD MILTON.
IS THAT THE OLD MILTON JERUSALEM BAKERY IN THAT IT'S A ONE 16 RESERVE I THINK, OR ONE 18 SOMETHING.
YEAH, THAT'S IN THE JERUSALEM BAKERY.
I ASSUME YOU'RE THE APPLICANT IF YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION.
UM, MY NAME IS JULIANNA WILKINS.
I RESIDE AT 1 3 5 8 DALESFORD DRIVE.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE HERE.
UM, HERE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE HONEY HALL.
UM, THESE ARE THE MAIN POINTS I'D LIKE TO SHARE THIS EVENING, BUT I AM GONNA GO THROUGH THEM, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY.
SO LET ME KNOW AT ANY POINT IF I NEED TO SLOW DOWN.
I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR APPROVAL TO OPEN THE HONEY HALL AND UPSCALE BOUTIQUE RESERVATION, ONLY SPECIAL EVENTS, VENUE DESIGNED FOR PRIVATE CELEBRATIONS, PROFESSIONAL GATHERINGS, AND
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COMMUNITY CENTERED EVENTS IN ALFREDA.ALFREDA REPRESENTS THE STANDARD I WANT THE HONEY HALL TO REFLECT.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL, CLEAN, SAFE, FAMILY FOCUSED AND THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED.
AS A HOMEOWNER AND PARENT, I CHOSE ALPHARETTA FOR SCHOOL'S OPPORTUNITY, QUALITY OF LIFE, AND LONG-TERM PROMISE.
I HAVE EVERY REASON TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THIS CITY AND PROTECT ALPHARETTA'S HIGH STANDARDS.
MY FAMILY IS THE REASON I PURCHASED MY HOME IN ALPHARETTA.
AND THE REASON I AM BUILDING THE HONEY HALL, THIS BUSINESS IS DEEP PERSONAL.
UM, IT'S ABOUT CREATING STABILITY, LEGACY, AND A MEANINGFUL FUTURE FOR MY CHILDREN.
WHILE CONTRIBUTING POSITIVELY TO THE THING THAT WE CALL HOME, I BRING EXPERIENCE IN PROJECT MANAGEMENT, BRAND MARKETING, EVENT COORDINATION, VENDOR COMMUNICATION, TIMELINE AND BUDGET MANAGEMENT, AND HIGH VISIBILITY EXPERIENCES.
IN ADDITION TO MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, I HOLD A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE DEGREE IN BUSINESS MANAGEMENT AND I COMPLETED COURSEWORK TOWARDS A BACHELOR OF FINE ARTS.
IN GRAPHIC DESIGN, THE HONEY HALL WILL BE OPERATED WITH STRUCTURE, PROFESSIONALISM, AND EXTREME ATTENTION DETAIL.
THE HONEY HALL IS AN UPSCALE, WARM, MODERN EVENT SPACE DESIGNED FOR INTIMATE CELEBRATIONS, MILESTONE EVENTS, CORPORATE GATHERINGS, AND CURATED COMMUNITY EXPERIENCES.
THE GOAL IS NOT JUST TO RENT A ROOM, IT'S TO DELIVER A POLISHED, WELL-MANAGED GUEST EXPERIENCE.
FAMILIES, PROFESSIONALS, SMALL BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS ARE IN SEARCH OF STUNNING, ACCESSIBLE VENUES TO CELEBRATE SIGNIFICANT LIFE AND CORPORATE EVENTS.
THE GROWING DIGITAL ENGAGEMENT, A ROBUST LOCAL VENDOR ECOSYSTEM, AND A THRIVING BUSINESS COMMUNITY, ALL DEMONSTRATED DISTINCT DEMAND FOR A BOUTIQUE EVENT SPACE.
IN ALPHARETTA, THE HONEY HALL WILL OPERATE BY ADVANCED BOOKING ONLY WITH DEFINED PACKAGES, CLEAR EVENT WINDOWS, CAPACITY LIMITS, REQUIRED AGREEMENTS, DEPOSITS, HOUSE RULES, VENDOR GUIDELINES, AND ONSITE VENUE SUPPORT.
THIS MODEL ALLOWS EACH EVENT TO BE PLANNED, STAFFED, AND MANAGED RESPONSIBLY.
THE GOAL IS STRUCTURED AND SUSTAINABLE BUSINESS ACTIVITY.
WITHOUT CREATING DISRUPTION SURROUNDING BUSINESSES OR THE COMMUNITY, THE HONEY HALL WILL PRIORITIZE PARKING AWARENESS, GUEST ARRIVAL, AND DEPARTURE FLOW, NOISE EXPECTATIONS, VENDOR LOAD IN AND LOAD OUT PROCEDURES, TRASH REMOVAL, AND RESPECTFUL OPERATING STANDARDS.
BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR IS PART OF THE BUSINESS MODEL.
BEFORE I CLOSE, THERE IS ONE ADDITIONAL SPECIAL COMMITMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE TO OUR COMMUNITY AS A MOM TO ELIJAH OUR 7-YEAR-OLD ON THE AUTISM SPECTRUM.
I KNOW HOW CHALLENGING SOCIAL EXPERIENCES CAN BE EVERYDAY PLACES, RESTAURANTS, MOVIE THEATERS, EVEN FAMILY EVENTS CAN BRING STARES, JUDGMENT, SENSORY OVERLOAD THAT SOMETIMES LEAD TO MELTDOWNS AND ULTIMATELY ISOLATION.
MANY OF US TURN TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND SUPPORT GROUPS SIMPLY TO FEEL VALIDATED, UNDERSTOOD, AND SEEN BY OTHER FAMILIES ON A SIMILAR JOURNEY.
THE HONEY HALL IS COMMITTED TO CREATING A WELCOMING JUDGMENT-FREE ENVIRONMENT WHERE FAMILIES OF CHILDREN ON THE AUTISM SPECTRUM CAN COME TOGETHER, CONNECT, SHARE, SUPPORT, AND CELEBRATE LIFE SPECIAL MOMENTS JUST AS THEY ARE.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR CONSIDERING THE HONEY HALL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL FAMILY.
YES, I SAW HIM ON THE PICTURE AND YOUR BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN.
SECOND, UH, YOU ARE VERY ORGANIZED IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, AND IF THIS IS AN INDICATION OF HOW YOU OPERATE YOUR BUSINESS, I HAVE NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT IT'S GONNA BE DONE PROFESSIONALLY.
UH, THIRD, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU A QUESTION.
HAVE YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER FACILITY LIKE THIS AND WHERE IS THIS THE FIRST ONE YOU'RE DOING IN A OPERA? THIS IS MY FIRST FACILITY THAT I WOULD BE OPENING AND, UM, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, IT WON'T BE THE LAST, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY MY FIRST TIME GOING OUT ON MY OWN.
I HAVE, HOWEVER, WORKED A LOT IN THE EVENT SPACE IN A CORPORATE CAPACITY WORKING FROM PROJECT MANAGEMENT TO MANNING THE EVENTS ON, ON GROUND.
UM, SO I DEFINITELY HAVE THE PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE TO DO THIS.
I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF DO IT FOR MYSELF AND ESTABLISH SOMETHING
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THAT I CAN MAINTAIN AND CREATE SORT OF A GENERATIONAL WEALTH FOR MY FAMILY.THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT LEAP.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE ACTUAL HOSTING, DO YOU NOT ONLY PLAN THE EVENT YOU PROVIDE THE FOOD AND, UM, EVERYTHING, SOMEBODY YOU PRE-BOOK AND YOU HAVE EVERYTHING SET UP FOR EVENT? WELL, I PLAN TO WORK CLOSELY WITH PREFERRED VENDORS FOR CATERING.
THE KITCHEN RIGHT NOW IS A PREP KITCHEN.
IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A, A FULL KITCHEN WITH, UM, GREASE TRAPS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT I DO PLAN TO, UM, ESTABLISH SOME PARTNERSHIPS WITH SOME OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES.
I'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THEM.
AND VENDOR COORDINATION IS SOMETHING THAT I PLAN TO OFFER.
SO IF SOMEBODY SORT OF JUST WANTS TO BOOK THE SPACE AND BE HANDS OFF, I CAN HANDLE EVERYTHING FROM THE VENDOR COORDINATION, RSVP LANDING PAGE, ALL OF THE SETUP DECORATION BEING ON SITE FOR HOSTING AND ALL OF THE AV SUPPORT.
SO AN ACTUAL CLIENT DOESN'T HAVE TO MANAGE ANY OF THEIR VENDORS.
IF THEY WANT TO BE MORE HANDS OFF, I CAN HANDLE THAT, BUT I WON'T BE PROVIDING THE FOOD DIRECTLY FOR MY KITCHEN.
IT'S MORE OF A PREP KITCHEN FOR THEM TO BE OUT OF SIGHT WHILE THEY'RE PREPARING THEIR SETUPS.
IT'S EVEN LESS THAN, UH, WHAT IS CALLED A LIMITED FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
UH, DO YOU HAVE VALET TO PARK THE CARS? NO, I, I DON'T HAVE VALET SERVICE PARK THEMSELVES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO DRIVE AROUND AND LOOK FOR PARKING THEMSELVES.
THEY WILL, HOWEVER, THE, THE BUILD RIGHT BEHIND THE BUILDING, THERE IS A, A VERY LARGE LOT THAT, UM, SHE WAS SHARING ON THE VISUAL THAT IT'S, IT'S VERY WALKABLE, IT'S VERY CONVENIENT.
UM, AND IF VALET ENDS UP BEING SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE DEMAND FOR IN THE FUTURE, THEN I'M WILLING TO EXPLORE THAT AND RE REQUEST ANOTHER PERMIT OR ANY UPDATES AT THAT TIME.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD NECESSARILY BE NEEDED, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS ARE CLOSING SO MUCH EARLIER THAN A LOT OF THESE EVENTS WILL BE TAKING PLACE.
SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SUFFICIENT PARKING WITHOUT THAT.
WHY THIS LOCATION? WHY THIS LOCATION? YES.
WELL, OUT OF ALL THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA TO BE ALPHARETTA IN GENERAL OR A SPECIFIC INTERSECTION OF NORTH, NORTH OF NORTH POINT PARKWAY WEB ROAD NORTH? YEAH.
WELL, UH, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH ME, LIVING AT 1358 DALESFORD DRIVE AND OUR BABY GIRL GEORGIA DAY, UM, ATTEND SCHOOL AT FAS FAMILY LEARNING CENTER JUST TO ONE LIGHT AWAY.
I DROVE BY THIS PROPERTY EVERY SINGLE DAY.
IT'S FIVE MINUTES AWAY FROM MY HOUSE.
AND I HAD BEEN LOOKING AT IT ON MY, ON MY COMMUTE EVERY DAY.
UM, AND IT JUST FELT LIKE PERFECT LOCATION.
IT'S RIGHT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I CAN LITERALLY SAY, HEY, I FORGOT SOMETHING AT HOME, BE THERE AND BACK IN 15 MINUTES.
SO IT FELT LIKE THE PERFECT PATIENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MS. WILKINS, QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, I NOTE THE, UH, MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF 145.
I ASSUME YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT LIMITATION? I AM.
AND DUMB QUESTION, WHAT'S THE ORIGIN OF THE NAME HONEY HALL? I LOVE IT.
UM, WELL, I HAVE A DESIGN BUSINESS, JUST FREELANCE DESIGN, GRAPHIC DESIGN, UM, ACRYLIC PAINTINGS, ROCK PAINTINGS.
IT WAS SORT OF MY, UM, CREATE OUTLET WORKING IN A CORPORATE JOB DAY AFTER DAY.
I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY WAY TO BE CREATIVE.
SO I CREATED JUJU, BE CREATIVE AND MY LOGO IS A BEE.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE.
THE REST ARE MY CHILDREN'S STICKERS.
AND I JUST KIND OF FELL IN LOVE WITH THE CONCEPT.
I FELL IN LOVE WITH THE COLOR.
YOU'LL SEE I WEAR A LOT OF MUSTARD PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE I GO.
AND WHEN I DECIDED TO ESTABLISH THE HONEY HALL, I REALLY WANTED FOR THE BRANDS TO HAVE A COHESIVE BRAND STORY.
AND SINCE THERE WAS ALREADY A BEE, I WAS THINKING WHAT COULD BE RELATED TO THAT? AND I LOVE ALLITERATION, SO HONEY HALL JUST KIND OF CAME QUICKLY AND I STARTED PLAYING AROUND WITH LOGO DESIGNS AND I JUST LANDED ON THIS ONE AND FELL IN LOVE WITH IT IMMEDIATELY.
SO I REGISTERED IT PRETTY MUCH THE NEXT DAY AND SUBMITTED MY APPLICATION FOR US, UM, PATENT TRADEMARK OFFICE TO HAVE THAT TRADEMARK, WHICH IS IN PROCESS.
AND YEAH, IT JUST FELT RIGHT, THOROUGH AND VERY CATCHY.
THAT IS WHAT IS CALLED THE MYSTERY OF THE HONEYCOMB.
THE, THE WAY THE HONEYCOMB IS MADE, IT'S A PENTAGON PROVIDES A MAXIMUM AREA OF ANY SHAPE THAT IS THE MOST STABLE
AND UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE BEES MAKE THE HONEYCOMB THE WAY THEY MAKE IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE TO COMPLIMENT YOU.
UM, YOU, YOUR GRAPHIC DESIGN SKILLS ARE SO IMPRESSIVE MUCH
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THIS PRESENT PRESENTATION IS, IS SO PROFESSIONAL.UM, AND I ECHO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD UP HERE ABOUT THE NEED FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES.
UM, I THINK WE'RE UNDERSERVED AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UM, WITH THIS LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A SIGNIFICANT DEMAND.
ARE YOU GONNA HAVE DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES JUST FOR YOU OUT IN FRONT OF YOUR STORE? SO SATURDAY AFTERNOON YOU'VE GOT 125 PEOPLE COMING IN, IT WOULD BE A TENDENCY TO TAKE UP ALL THE FRONT SPACES.
IS, IS THAT SOMETHING IN THE WORKS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DESIGNATED ONLY PARKING PLACES OR, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND I'VE ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
UM, I HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION YET.
UM, TO FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT.
I, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK HE IS RECOMMENDING THAT.
YOU CAN USE A TRAFFIC COUNT TO BLOCK IT.
I THINK IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M ABLE TO DO, I'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO TAKING THE STEPS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
YOU, YOU CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS BEFORE I OPEN IT UP? I ASSUME YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING IN SUPPORT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT,
IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL, I'LL ASK WHETHER THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND OUR MOTION.
YOU CAN ASK FURTHER QUESTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO APPROVE, UH, MP DASH 26 DASH ZERO SEVEN SLASH CU SLASH 26 DASH OH SIX.
THE HONEY HALL EVENT CENTER, PRESTON RIDGE MP, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AS SET FORTH BY STAFF.
A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE PROPER SECONDED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE NOR IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
IT'S GONNA BE HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 22ND, UH, 2026.
ANY OTHER ITEM THE BOARD WANTS TO DISCUSS, HEARING NONE THE MEETINGS.