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I CALL THIS, UH, JULY 9TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
WE HAVE, UH, THREE ITEMS TO CONSIDER.
THE FIRST ONE, A MP DASH 26, DUTCH 0 8 5 9 0 5 WINWOOD PARKWAY RESTAURANT HAS BEEN DEFERRED BY THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TONIGHT.
SO IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT ITEM, WE ARE NOT GONNA BE LISTENING TO IT TODAY.
UH, BUT BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? THE FIRST ITEM, WINWARD PARKWAY RESTAURANT HAS BEEN DEFERRED.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE HARD TONIGHT.
WHEN IS IT GONNA BE HEARD? IT'LL COME RIGHT NOW.
IT'S LISTED ON THE NINE THREE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA SEPTEMBER 3RD.
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WE ARE GONNA CONSIDER THE MINUTES FOR THE JUNE 4TH, 2026 MEETING.WHAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD? MR. CHAIRMAN? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 4TH, 2026 MEETING.
SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPERLY SECONDED OR IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
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ELLA, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURE? AN INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING TO BE HEARD ON A MATTER RELATED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING MUST BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.UPON RISING TO SPEAK, THE SPEAKER MUST IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR HERSELF AND FURNISH A HOME OR BUSINESS ADDRESS BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS.
THE BOARD, EXCUSE ME, THE COMMISSION WILL ALLOW THE PROPONENTS A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION.
OPPONENTS WILL ALSO BE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
COMMENTS ARE ACCEPTED FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY PERSONS SPEAKING IN FAVOR.
AND THEN FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION UPON CONCLUSION, CONCLUSION OF ANY OPPOSING COMMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS, THE CHAIR WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO OFFER REBUTTAL IF ANY TIME IS REMAINING IN THE ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES.
AND THE CHAIR HAS THE DISCRETION TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TIME.
UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS MP DASH 26 DASH ZERO NINE SLASH CU DASH 26 DASH ZERO EIGHT V 26 13 1, LIFE FITNESS SLASH DELTA CREDIT UNION MASTER PLAN.
AND MICHAEL WILL BE PRESENTING THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
THE FIRST ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A REQUEST FOR MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT CONDITIONAL USE AND VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY 55,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING FOR ONE LIFE FITNESS.
THAT'S ON A 6.25 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE NORTH POINT OVERLAY.
MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT IS REQUESTED TO THE DELTA COMMUNITY CREDIT UNION MASTER PLAN TO ADD ATHLETIC FACILITY AS A CONDITIONAL USE.
AND A CONDITIONAL USE IS REQUESTED TO ALLOW ONE LIFE FITNESS TO OPERATE IN AN ATHLETIC FACILITY ON THE PROPERTY VARIANCES ARE REQUESTED TO ALLOW PARKING BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE STREET TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING SETBACK FROM HANS BRIDGE ROAD AND ROCK MILL ROAD, AND TO ALLOW THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OF SURFACE PARKING STALLS TO EXCEED THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OF THE BUILDING AND HAVE THE LOCATION MAP ON THE OVERHEAD.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT ZERO NORTH FULTON EXPRESSWAY.
IT'S THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD AND ROCK MILL ROAD AT THE ON RAMP TO GEORGIA 400.
SO YOU CAN SEE ON THIS AERIAL, THIS PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED WOODED PROPERTY.
IT IS ZONED ONI OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL, AND AS I MENTIONED, IT IS SUBJECT TO THE DELTA COMMUNITY CREDIT UNION MASTER PLAN.
SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE GEORGIA 400 TO THE NORTH.
THE FULTON COUNTY SCHOOLS NORTH MAINTENANCE SHOP IS LOCATED TO THE EAST, UH, NORTH POINT COMMON SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH INCLUDES BEST BUY IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH, AND THE ATLANTA CENTER FOR DENTAL HEALTH IS LOCATED TO THE WEST.
THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS CORPORATE OFFICE, WHICH DOES SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL.
UM, AS YOU MAY RECALL, A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED ON THIS PROPERTY IN 2023.
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AN INDOOR AND OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL FACILITY FOR PICKLE AND SOCIAL AS WELL AS A FREESTANDING RESTAURANT.UH, THE APPLICANT HAS DECIDED NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT CONCEPT ON THE PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND CAN PROVIDE, UH, COMMENTS IN THAT REGARD.
UM, BUT THE PROPOSAL HAS CHANGED, UH, TO A, UH, ONE LIFE FITNESS ON THE PROPERTY TO MENTION THERE ARE SOME VARIANCES TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UM, THE, AS I MENTIONED, THE MAXIMUM BUILDING SETBACKS ON HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD AND ROCK MILL ROAD.
WE, IN THE NORTH POINT OVERLAY, WE HAVE MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM SETBACKS.
UM, THE MAXIMUM SETBACK ON HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD.
CHAIRMAN, DID YOU NEED TO FIX, UH, TECHNICAL ISSUE BEFORE I CONTINUE? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, YOU READY FOR ME TO CONTINUE NOW? YOU CAN CONTINUE ALL.
UH, AS I WAS MENTIONING, UM, ONE OF THE VARIANCES THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS TO THE MAXIMUM BUILDING SETBACK ON HAYNES BRIDGE AND ROCK MILL IN THE NORTH POINT OVERLAY.
WE REQUIRE A MAXIMUM SETBACK FROM HAYNES BRIDGE OF A HUNDRED FEET, 100 FEET AND 10 FEET ON ROCK MILL ROAD.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S SITE PLAN IS SHOWING 315 FOOT SETBACK OF THE BUILDING FROM HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD AND A 68 FOOT SETBACK FROM ROCK MILL ROAD.
UH, THE OVERLAY ALSO REQUIRES THAT SURFACE PARKING LOTS, UH, BE SITUATED BESIDE OR BEHIND THE BUILDING ALONG ROCK MILL ROAD.
AND THE SITE PLAN DOES TO PICK ONE ROW OF PARKING BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND ROCK MILL ROAD, UM, OVERLAY ALSO, UH, WE WANTED TO LIMIT PARKING IN THE NORTH POINT OVERLAY, AND WE WERE LOOKING TO REDEVELOP ALL THE SURFACE PARKING LOTS.
SO WE DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE, THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OF PARKING STALLS DO NOT EXCEED THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
UM, AND THEIR PARKING STALLS DO EXCEED.
UH, THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OF JUST THE PARKING STALLS, UM, IS ALMOST 45,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS JUST OVER A LITTLE OVER 35,000 SQUARE FEET.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ONE LIFE FITNESS.
UM, THEY ARE, THEY HAVE AN A, UH, LOCATION HERE IN THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA.
THEY ARE AN A ATHLETIC CLUB PROVIDING, UM, WORLD, WORLD CLASS GYM EQUIPMENT, SPORTS COURTS, SPECIALIZED TRAINING PROGRAMS, CLASSES, AND AMENITIES SUCH AS POOLS, SAUNAS, WHIRLPOOLS, HYDRO MASSAGE, ONSITE CHILDCARE AND LOCKER ROOM FACILITIES.
UM, THERE'S SEVERAL LOCATIONS INCLUDING THE LOCATION IN ALPHARETTA AT 1 2 3 1 5 CRAB APPLE ROAD.
OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE IN NEARBY ARE IN C*****G, WOODSTOCK, DUNWOODY, LAWRENCEVILLE, HOLLY SPRINGS, AND THERE'S A NEW LOCATION, UH, COMING TO CANTON.
HOURS OF OPERATION ARE MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, 5:00 AM TO 11:00 PM AND THE BUSINESS ANTICIPATES APPROXIMATELY 75 TO A HUNDRED EMPLOYEES.
I'LL TAKE YOU TO THE SITE PLAN.
SO THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S SITE PLAN.
IF YOU RECALL FROM THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL FOR PICKLE ON SOCIAL, THERE WAS, WELL, LET ME ORIENT YOU FIRST.
THIS IS HAYNES BRIDGE AND THEN ROCK MILL.
SO THE PREVIOUS PLAN ON THIS PROPERTY, THERE WAS A SMALL FOOTPRINT FOR A FREESTANDING RESTAURANT CLOSEST TO HAYNES BRIDGE.
AND THEN BEHIND THAT, IN THIS GENERAL SAME GENERAL AREA WAS AN INDOOR AND OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL FACILITY, WHICH ALSO INCLUDED A RESTAURANT.
SO THIS IS, THE SITE PLAN IS SIMILAR LAYOUT WITHOUT THE BUILDING.
UM, THE RUSH, THE FREESTANDING RESTAURANT BUILDING UP AGAINST HAYNES V ROAD.
ON THIS SITE PLAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A TWO STORY BUILDING.
THE FIRST FLOOR IS 35,500 SQUARE FEET.
THE SECOND FLOOR, 19,500 SQUARE FEET.
UM, OF COURSE SURROUNDED BY SURFACE
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PARKING LOTS.AS I MENTIONED, THE VARIANCE ALONG ROCK MILL ROAD, THERE'S ONE ROW OF PARKING BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND ROCK MILL ROAD.
THERE'S ALSO, WITH THE BUILDING, THERE'S, UM, OUTDOOR SPACE.
SO BEHIND THE BUILDING, THERE'S AN OUTDOOR AMENITY SPACE HERE, IT'S ABOUT 15,000 SQUARE FEET, AND IT DOES INCLUDE FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS AS WELL AS AN OPEN AREA.
ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY IS ONLY FROM ROCK MILL.
THERE'S NO ACCESS FROM, UM, HAYNES BRIDGE, AND OF COURSE NOT FROM GEORGE 400 ON RAMP.
THE OUTDOOR AMENITY I MENTIONED, THE, THE SETBACKS OF THE BUILDING FROM HAYNES BRIDGE AND ROCK MILL.
THE OUTDOOR AMENITY IS ABOUT 81 FEET TO THE, UH, EAST, UH, PROPERTY LINE THAT THAT PROPERTY LINE ADJOINS THE FULTON COUNTY SCHOOL'S MAINTENANCE YARD.
THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PARKING REGULATIONS REQUIRE 220 PARKING SPACES FOR THE APPLICANT'S UM, USE, WHICH INCLUDES THE REQUIRED 20% PARKING REDUCTION.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING A TOTAL OF 276 PARKING SPACES ON THIS SITE PLAN.
SO THEY DO EXCEED THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS BY ABOUT 56 PARKING SPACES WITH IT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
WHILE WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO LIMIT THE PARKING IN NORTH POINT, WE DO KNOW THAT THESE HEALTH CLUBS HAVE, ARE A HIGH TRAFFIC GENERATOR, HIGH PARKING NEEDS.
UM, SO WE ARE, UH, SUPPORTING THAT REQUEST REGARDING THE PARKING STALL AND PERVY AREAS EXCEEDING THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
THE OVERLAY ALSO HAS MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN SPACE.
THERE'S A MINIMUM OF 5% AMENITY SPACE AND 10% CIVIC SPACE, OR A TOTAL OF 0.94 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
THE APPLICANT'S SITE PLAN IS SHOWING 1.15 ACRES OR 18.5% OPEN SPACE.
THE CIVIC SPACE IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE GREEN AREA.
UM, SO THIS IS A GATHERING AREA AS WELL AS A TREE SAFE AREA AND A WALKING PATH THROUGH THE GEORGIA 400 BUFFER.
AND THEN THE OTHER WAY THEY'RE MEETING THEIR, UM, OPEN SPACE IS THIS OUTDOOR AMENITY SPACE HERE BEHIND THE BUILDING.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
IT IS A WOODED PROPERTY AND THERE ARE A MIX OF HARDWOODS AND PINES ON THE PROPERTY.
THE TREE SAFE AREA IS THE SAME AS THE TREE SAFE AREA WAS ON THE PICKLE AND SOCIAL, UM, UH, PROPOSAL ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO THEY ARE MAINTAINING THE SAME TREE SAFE AREA ALONG HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD.
AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SPECIMEN TREES, I BELIEVE A TOTAL OF SEVEN IN THAT TREE SAFE AREA.
THERE IS AN EXISTING STORMWATER POND HERE IN THE NORTH END OF THE SITE THAT WILL REMAIN.
AND THEY ARE PROPOSING AN UNDERGROUND SYSTEM, UH, UNDERNEATH THE PARKING LOT IN THIS GENERAL AREA HERE.
HERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED OF THE BUILDING.
SO YOU CAN SEE UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THERE'S AN OPEN AIR.
IT LOOKS LIKE A COVERED BUT OPEN AIR AREA HERE TO THE SITE PLAN HERE.
AND THE NORTH POINT OVERLAY ALSO HAS A REQUIREMENT FOR ECODISTRICT MEASURES.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE SAME ECODISTRICT MEASURES AS THEY DID WITH THE PICKLE ON SOCIAL, UH, REQUEST.
AND SO THEY'RE MEETING A MINIMUM OF SEVEN ECODISTRICT POINTS.
THEY INTEND TO PROVIDE EMPLOYEE SHOWER FACILITIES, UH, BICYCLE REPAIR CENTER, UH, RIDESHARE PICKUP AND DROP OFF ZONES, VAN POOL, UH, A VAN POOL, PARKING SPACE, AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE, UH, CIVIC SPACE.
AND OF COURSE, WE CONSIDERED THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT CONDITIONAL USE AND VARIANCE.
UH, THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF ADJACENT AND NEARBY PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE SIMILARLY DEVELOPED WITH RETAIL USES.
UH, PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE NORTH POINT OVERLAY, WHICH SEEKS TO CREATE A LIVE WORK PLAY DISTRICT FEATURING A BALANCE MIX OF USES.
THE PROPOSAL IS SIMILAR, ALSO SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS PROPO APPROVAL ON THE PROPERTY AND WOULD NOT HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES.
UH, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION OF THE NORTH POINT AREA AND WOULD BRING SERVICES CLOSER
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TO WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY.UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE VARIANCE, THE PROPERTY HAS EXCEPTIONAL AND PECULIAR CONDITIONS RELATED TO ITS UNUSUAL SHAPE, UM, AND ROAD FRONTAGE ON THREE SIDES.
UH, THE, THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING IS POSITIONED ON THE LONG SIDE.
IT'S HERE, SO IT'S ON THE LONG SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO TO BE ABLE TO PULL THE BUILDING UP CLOSER TO HANES BRIDGE TO MEET THAT MAXIMUM A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK, THE SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY DOES NOT REALLY ALLOW FOR THAT.
UM, ALSO AS IT RELATES TO, UH, THE PARKING BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND ROCK MILL ROAD, AS WELL AS THE MINIMUM SETBACK ON ROCK MILL ROAD, THIS, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY IS PURPOSELY POSITIONED AT THE MIDPOINT OF THIS PROPERTY.
'CAUSE IT'S THE, THEY, THEY POSITIONED IT BETWEEN THIS INTERSECTION AND THEN THE ADJACENT DRIVEWAY.
SO THEY, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF LIMITED WHERE THEY CAN, UH, ACCESS THIS PROPERTY.
UM, SO THAT IS THE REASONS WHY WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF, UH, THOSE VARIANCES.
AND AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE OBSERVED, UM, HIGH DEMAND PARKING NEEDS AT OTHER ATHLETIC FACILITIES HEALTH CLUBS.
SO WE ARE SUPPORTING THAT VARIANCE AS WELL.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN.
THE REPORT STATED THAT NO PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED.
HOWEVER, STAFF DID RECEIVE ONE EMAIL FROM A NEARBY PROPERTY OWNER IN THE OFFICE, CONDOS TO THE EAST OF THIS SITE, AND JUST WITH SOME CONCERNS OVER TRAFFIC ON ROCK MILL ROAD.
UM, AND THEN THIS REQUEST WAS SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC AT THE JUNE 10TH, UH, COMMUNITY ZONING INFORMATION MEETING.
THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE, UH, SIGN IN SHEET.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST SUBJECT TO 16 CONDITIONS.
AND I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE CONDITIONS.
UH, CONDITION ONE IS A SITE PLAN SPECIFIC CONDITION.
TYING IT TO THIS SITE PLAN BY PARADIGM DATED 6 18 26 2 ATHLETIC FACILITY SHALL BE ADDED AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE DELTA COMMUNITY CREDIT UNION MASTER PLAN THREE ATHLETIC FACILITY SHALL BE LIMITED TO ONE LIFE FITNESS.
NO OTHER ATHLETIC FACILITY OR SUB SUBLEASING SHALL BE PERMITTED.
UH, FOUR IS THE ARCHITECTURE, UH, CONDITION TIRING.
TYING THE ARCHITECTURE MATERIALS TO THE SUBMITTED RENDERINGS EXCEPT FOR MODIFICATIONS, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THIS CONDITION, UH, WE ARE ASKED, AND IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL BY A DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.
UM, CONDITION FOUR GOES ON TO, TO SAY THAT THE BUILDING SHALL HAVE FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE MATERIALS AND DETAILS AND SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NORTH POINT OVERLAY, UH, BUILDING DESIGN REGULATIONS AS WELL AS THE NORTH POINT OVERLAY DISTRICT DESIGN RE, UH, DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO REALLY WHAT THOSE, UM, REALLY IT'S THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT MAY REQUIRE SOME CH UH, CHANGES TO SOME OF THE MATERIALS ON THE ELEVATION, THE RENDERINGS THAT I SHOWED YOU.
UM, BUT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE A WHOLESALE REDESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
MAYBE SOME OF THE MATERIALS MAY NEED TO CHANGE.
UH, CONDITION FIVE WOULD, UH, APPROVE THE PARKING BETWEEN ROCK MILL ROAD AND THE BUILDING.
SO APPROVING THAT VARIANCE AND TYING IT TO THE SITE PLAN CONDITION SIX ADDRESSES, UM, OR REQUIRES THAT THE OUTDOOR AMENITY SPACE BEHIND THE BUILDING BE SCREENED FROM ROCK MILL ROAD WITH SCREEN WALLS, FENCING AND OR LANDSCAPING, UH, WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB.
CONDITION SEVEN IS THE OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY IN CONDITION EIGHT IS THE CIVIC SPACE.
SO THAT'S THE SPACE WITH THE TREE SAFE AREA ALONG HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD.
UM, AND THE REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA, WHICH WOULD ALSO INCLUDE A NORTH POINT ECODISTRICT MONUMENT OR DISTRICT THRESHOLD.
UH, THOSE ARE, UH, PART OF THE NORTH POINT CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN.
IT STATES THAT IF ANY UNIQUE ECODISTRICT MONUMENTS, UM, ARE UTILIZED AT THE SITE, THAT APPROVAL BY THE UH, CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION WOULD BE REQUIRED.
CONDITION NINE TIES THE APPLICANT TO THE ECO DISTRICT POINTS THAT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED IN THEIR LETTER, UM, BY PARADIGM DATED 6 15 26.
CONDITION 10 REQUIRES GREEN STORMWATER DESIGN.
TE TECHNIQUES BE UTILIZED ON THE SITE TO ADDRESS RUNOFF REDUCTION.
CONDITION 11 IS THE HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD STREETSCAPE REQUIREMENTS REQUIRING A SIX FOOT PLANTER AND EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK.
CONDITION 12 ARE THE ROCK MILL ROAD STREET SCAPE REQUIREMENTS REQUIRING A SIX FOOT PLANTER AND A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK.
13, UH, REQUIRES THAT THE DEVELOPER PROVIDE AN ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN
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CROSSING BETWEEN ROCKVILLE ROAD AT HAYNES BRIDGE ROAD AND AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE FULTON COUNTY SCHOOL'S MAINTENANCE FACILITY, WHICH SHALL INCLUDE THE NORTH POINT ECODISTRICT LEAF PATTERN, PAVEMENT MARKINGS, ENHANCED CROSSING SHALL BE ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEE CREDITS AS APPROVED BY STAFF.SO THAT WOULD JUST BE, UM, IMPLEMENTING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE NORTH POINT CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN.
CONDITION 14 IS THE TREE SAVE CONDITION.
TYING IT TO THE SITE PLAN, SHOWING TREE SAVES, UH, CONDITION 15 REQUIRES THAT RETAINING WALLS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET BE FACED WITH BRICK OR STONE WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB AND THAT IT ALSO REQUIRES TALLER RETAINING WALLS OVER 16 FEET BE TERRACE WITH LANDSCAPE AREAS, UH, IN BETWEEN.
AND THEN CONDITION 16 DEVELOPERS SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE REPORT.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THOSE.
THANK YOU, MICHAEL, FOR THE PRESENTATION.
WITH RESPECT TO ATION 16, HAVE YOU REVIEWED, RECEIVED AND REVIEWED THE, THE TRAFFIC PLAN YET? SO WE DID RECEIVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY THE DAY THE STAFF REPORT WAS DUE, SO THAT'S WHY A SUMMARY WAS NOT INCLUDED, UH, IN, UH, THE STAFF REPORT.
BUT GEORGE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE TRAFFIC STUDY SINCE.
AND GEORGE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BASED ON YOUR REVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE COMMISSION.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT, THE SUMMARY OF IT, IF YOU HAVE IT.
THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS SUBMITTED AS MICHAEL HAD STATED, THE DAY THE DAY OF THE PACKET WAS, WAS DUE, UH, BETWEEN THEN AND NOW, WE HAD REVIEWED IT AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, UM, HAD IDENTIFIED SOME, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT NECESSARILY ARE NOT REFLECTIVE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE ON SITE.
UM, THEY HAD EVALUATED AN INTERSECTION AS UNSIGNED, EVEN THOUGH IT IS SIGNALED WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND WHAT, WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THAT RECOMMENDATION IS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NECESSARY BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING IS WHAT'S OUT THERE ON SITE.
AND THE SITE ACCESS CONFIGURATIONS THAT THEY RECOMMEND ARE VERY SOUND AND WE'RE AGREEABLE TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY WHAT YOU SEE IN THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN LAYOUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MICHAEL? WELL, ON THAT SAME, SORRY, GEORGE, UH, ON THAT SAME, IT'S ON PAGE, UH, THERE CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ON PAGE 40 OF THE APPLICATION AND 10 AND 18 TALKED ABOUT THE WESTBOUND RIGHT TURN ON ROCK MILL ROAD AND A SECOND TURN LANE POSSIBILITY WITH THE PROTECTION OF A SIGNAL.
SO YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE NEED THAT CORRECT, BECAUSE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS ACTUALLY A SIGNALED INTERCHANGE THAT'S COORDINATED WITH THE NORTHBOUND ON OFF SIGNALED INTERSECTION, WHICH OPERATES FINE.
AND I GUESS 18 WOULD BE THE WESTBOUND TURN MOVEMENT FROM ROCK MILL ROAD AT HAYNES BRIDGE WILL CONTINUE TO FAIL IN THE FUTURE WITH THE FAILURE EXTENDING TO THE AM PEAK AS WELL.
THE ADDITION OF A SECOND WESTBOUND TURN LANE WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CAPABILITY OF Q AND STORAGE.
SO WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT NO.
BECAUSE THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION IS REFLECTIVE OF UNSIGNED STOP CONTROL CONFIGURATIONS, WHICH DOES NOT EXIST ON SITE.
IT'S SIGNALED IT HAS TRAFFIC SIGNAL CONTROL, WHICH HAS DIFFERENT OPERATIONS THAN STOP CONTROL.
WELL, IT'S JUST KIND OF ODD THAT THEY DIDN'T SEE A SIGNAL, BUT, OKAY.
I HAD A QUESTION ON NUMBER 14.
IT SAYS TREES ARE, SHALL BE, UH, PRESERVED, BUT SHALL BE THINNED OUT, CLEANED UP, REPLANTED WITH NATIVE OR DROUGHT.
DROUGHT TOLERANT LANDSCAPING, NOT ADDITIONAL TREES.
HOW MUCH OF THE TREES ARE PLANNING TO BE CUT? IS THINNED OUT IS KIND OF VAGUE.
IS IT THE SORT OF, THE POINT OF HAVING THE GREEN SPACE TO KEEP A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF TREES THERE? IT WHAT, WHAT OUR, UH, CITY ARBOR WAS REFERENCING THERE IS JUST TO, TO REMOVE THE SCRUB MATERIAL THAT IS GROWING UNDERNEATH THE EXISTING SPECIMEN TREES THAT WOULD BE SAVED.
SO HE IS JUST TALKING ABOUT CLEANING UP THE AREA UNDER THE, THE TREES TO BE SAFE.
HE'S NOT NECESS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TO REMOVE, THERE MAY BE SMALLER TREES LIKE SAPLINGS THAT ARE GROWING UNDER THE, WITHIN THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE OF THE EXISTING TREES THAT WILL BE SAVED THAT POSSIBLY WOULD BE REMOVED.
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THAT WHEN, WHEN THAT AREA IS KIND OF CLEANED UP.'CAUSE IT'S GOING TO SERVE AS A GATHERING AREA AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT IS INTENDED IN, IN THAT CONDITION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, WE ARE GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION.
SORRY, NEIL, IF YOU CAN PRESS THAT.
UH, NEIL FREEMAN RESIDE AT 9 5 9 MIDDLE FORT TRAIL, SUWANEE, GEORGIA.
UH, I'M THE MANAGING MEMBER OF PICKLE AND SOCIAL ALPHARETTA, LLC, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
I'M JOINED BY BARRY DUNLOP OF, UH, PARADIGM ENGINEERS, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FOR THE PROPERTY.
UH, WE ACCEPT, UH, ALL THE CONDITIONS, UH, SET FORTH BY THE CITY STAFF.
AND AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS ON BARRY THOROUGH AS THEY ALWAYS ARE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE THREE VARIANTS, BUT MICHAEL'S DONE A GREAT JOB ALREADY, BUT I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND TOUCH ON, ON THE FIRST ONE ABOUT THE, UH, ALLOWING PARKING BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND ROCK MILL.
THAT WAS REALLY A FIRE CIRCULATION PRIMARILY FOR THAT.
UM, SECOND ONE, HE, AS HE MENTIONED, THE SITE'S SOMEWHAT OF A TRAPEZOID.
SO, UH, FOR SITE ORIENTATION THAT CAUSED SOME OF THE, UH, REASON FOR BEING THAT FAR AWAY FROM, UH, HAYNES BRIDGE ON THE BUILDING.
AND THEN THE, THE THIRD, UH, WE, WE ACTUALLY, IN OUR HEAD, WE HAD CONSIDERED THE AMENITY AS THE AMENITY SECTION OF 15.
IF YOU HAD THAT 15,000 SQUARE FEET TO THE 35, THEN THERE'D BE NO NEED FOR A VARIANCE.
BUT IF YOU JUST TAKE THE BUILDING, THEN, THEN WE, WE WERE SHORT ON THAT IMPERVIOUS, SO THAT'S WHY WE TRIPPED IT BY A FEW THOUSAND, MAYBE 10,000 SQUARE FEET IF YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT.
SO, SO THOSE ARE THE EXPLANATIONS FOR THOSE THREE, UM, COMMISSION MEMBER RENTALS.
UH, WE ARE GONNA MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE ROCK MAIL THAT'S IN THIS, IN THE REPORT.
AND, AND, AND SO WE, WE, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ADDRESSED THIS SIGNALIZATION, BUT, BUT GEORGE, WE AGREE WITH GEORGE'S ASSESSMENT ON THAT.
UM, AND, AND THEN, UM, MR. PERKINS, WE, UH, WE, ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THAT SITE ARE THOSE INCREDIBLE 30 40, 50 ITCH CALIBERS RIGHT THERE, TREES ON, UH, HAYES BRIDGE.
SO SOME OF THAT TRIMMING HAS JUST REALLY JUST ALSO HELPED THE, HELP THE HEALTH AND REALLY HIGHLIGHT THOSE TREES.
UM, I THINK, I THINK THOSE ARE, UH, A SPECIAL PART OF THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PART THAT SAFE AND TREE SAFE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PART.
SO I'LL LEAVE THE REST FOR ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THE REST OF THE TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WE ARE, WELL THIS IS JUST A COMMENT, NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT WE'RE SAD THAT YOU'RE NOT BUILDING THE OTHER ONE, BUT WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMIC REASONS BEHIND IT.
SO CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING HERE ON THIS PARTICULAR YEAH, SO THIS WAS GONNA BE PICKLEBALL, PICKLE AND SOCIAL NUMBER TWO, UH, NEW AND IMPROVED.
WE HAD LEARNED FROM NUMBER ONE ALREADY HAD IT 90% DESIGNED.
UM, THINK, UH, JUST LIFE IS TIMING.
THE, THE WAY THE COOLER, THEN THE END COMING IN.
AND THEN THE INDUSTRY HAVING SUCH A PROLIFERATION OF COURTS ALL AROUND.
IT'S JUST THE BUSINESS MODEL WAS A LITTLE STRAIN AND FITNESS IS STILL GROWING LIKE CRAZY.
WE THINK IT WORKS WELL WITH WHAT'S COULD BE HAPPENING ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THAT WAS, IT WAS JUST A PIVOT.
WE ARE GOING TO ASK IF THERE IS ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.
I'M OPENING THIS FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I I'M OPENING IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I'M, WHETHER ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION, YOU CAN COME FORWARD SEEING NONE AND ANYONE IN OPPOSITION.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION AND OUR DISCUSSION.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MP DASH 26 DASH OH NINE SLASH CU DASH 26 DASH OH EIGHT SLASH V DASH 26 6 DASH 13 ONE.
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SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? HEARING NONE OR IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
IT GOES BEFORE COUNCIL ON JULY THE 20TH, WHICH IS MONDAY WEEK.
THIS IS, UH, A GOOD G ONE LIFE DOES A VERY GOOD JOB.
YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER FACILITY.
UH, HOPEFULLY YOU GET A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING THERE.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CU DASH 26 DASH ZERO SEVEN ST.
THOMAS AQUINAS CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THANK YOU AGAIN, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
THE NEXT ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST FROM ST.
THOMAS AQUINAS CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THEY'RE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 2300 SQUARE FOOT COLUMBARIUM ON A 48 ACRE PROPERTY.
THE CONDITIONAL USE IS REQUESTED TO ALLOW CEMETERY FOR THE PROPOSED COLUMBARIUM.
ALL RIGHT, THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 5 3 5 RUCKER ROAD.
IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF RUCKER ROAD ACROSS FROM VERN CREEK REGISTRY.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AG AGRICULTURE AND CUP COMMUNITY UNIT PLAN.
IT'S DEVELOPED AS A CHURCH FOR ST.
THOMAS AQUINAS CATHOLIC CHURCH.
AND THE PROPERTY ALSO INCLUDES ACCESSORY USES CUSTOMARY TO A CHURCH USE SUCH AS AN ACADEMIC SCHOOL.
PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY FROM UNINCORPORATED FULTON COUNTY IN 2005.
SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED CUP AND R 15 TO THE EAST AND R 15 AND A G TO THE NORTH.
THE CITY OF ROSWELL IS LOCATED TO THE WEST AND SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY.
THE WELLFORD TRACE AND WALLACE WOODS NEIGHBORHOODS ARE LOCATED TO THE EAST AND FERN CREEK REGISTRY IS LOCATED TO THE NORTH.
THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS PUBLIC INSTITUTIONAL EDUCATIONAL, WHICH DOES SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
THOMAS AQUINAS CHURCH HAS BEEN OPERATING ON THE PROPERTY SINCE 1972 A THE REQUEST AGAIN IS TO ALLOW FOR A COLUMBARIUM, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO A MAUSOLEUM WHERE HUMAN CRE REMAINS ARE HOUSED IN SMALL COMPARTMENT OR NICHES AND A PERMANENT VERTICAL STRUCTURE.
THE PROPOSED COLUMBARIUM IS CLASSIFIED IN THE CITY'S CODE AS A CEMETERY, WHICH THE CITY'S, UH, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE DEFINES AS LAND USED OR DEDICATED TO THE BURIAL OR INTERNMENT OF HUMAN OR ANIMAL REMAINS, INCLUDING CREMATORIUMS MAUSOLEUMS NECESSARY SALES AND MAINTENANCE FACILITIES.
THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS A CEMETERY AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE AG AND SU SPECIAL USE ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, ACCORDING TO THE APPLICATION, THE COLUMBARIUM WILL ONLY BE ACCESSIBLE DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS, SO APPROXIMATELY 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM SO WE'VE GOT SOME STREET VIEW PICTURES OF THE SITE.
SO THIS IS A VIEW AT THE PROJECT'S ENTRANCE OFF OF RUCKER ROAD.
YOU SEE THE, UH, MOST VISIBLE BUILDING.
THE FIRST BUILDING CLOSEST TO RUCKER ROAD IS HERE.
THE COLIN BARIUM IS PO PROPOSED JUST ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO I HAVE SOME MORE PICTURES ENTERING THE SITE.
THIS IS THAT SAME BUILDING AND THIS IS THE SAME BUILDING HERE.
AND THIS IS THE WEST SIDE OF THAT BUILDING.
SO THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THE COLUMBAR IS PROPOSED.
IT IS CLOSEST TO THE, UH, WEST PROPERTY LINE OF THIS 48 ACRE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE AREA FOR THE COLUMBARIUM.
OVER TO THE RIGHT WOULD BE SUBDIVISIONS IN THE CITY OF ROSWELL.
THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BUFFER, UH, BETWEEN THIS ROAD AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
THERE'S ABOUT 80, LET'S SEE, 81 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE COLUMBARIUM TO THE WEST
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PROPERTY LINE.AND THEN THIS IS THAT BUFFERED AREA HERE.
THIS THE SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF ROSWELL.
AND I JUST TOOK SOME PICTURES HERE 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A CONDITION, UH, THAT THIS AREA BE FILLED IN WHERE THERE'S SOME, UM, UM, SPACES, UM, THAT DO NOT HAVE TREES, SO LIKE IN THESE AREAS HERE.
ALL RIGHT, THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN.
AGAIN, THIS IS R RUCKER ROAD HERE AT THE NORTH END OF THE SITE.
AND THIS IS THE NORTHERNMOST BUILDING HERE.
SO THE COLUMBARIUM IS PROPOSED RIGHT HERE, AND THEN WE HAVE A ZOOMED IN OF THAT AREA ON THIS SITE PLAN.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE EXISTING NORTHERNMOST BUILDING.
THE DIMENSIONS OF THE COLUMBARIUM ARE APPROXIMATELY 62 BY 48.
UM, IT WOULD BE A WALLED MEMORIAL GARDEN, UM, AND THE GARDENS WOULD CONTAIN A STATUE, FOUNTAIN BENCHES AND LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING.
UM, THE STRUCTURE IS GATED ON TWO SIDES AND THE SITE PLAN DEPICT SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS PROVIDING ACCESS TO THOSE GATES.
AND THERE ARE NO SPECIMEN TREES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED, UH, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE COLUMBARIUM.
AND I WILL JUST BRIEFLY SHOW YOU THE RENDERINGS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED.
I BELIEVE THEY MAY HAVE A PRESENTATION AND WE WILL SHOW YOU THESE AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS A RENDERING INSIDE THE COLUMBARIUM AND THIS IS A BIRD'S EYE VIEW.
OF COURSE, WE LOOKED AT THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR A CONDITIONAL USE.
THE PROPOSAL WOULD NOT HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THE COLUMBARIUM IS VERY SMALL AND WILL FUNCTION AS AN ACCESSORY USE ON THE PROPERTY THAT HAS EXISTED AS A CHURCH SINCE 1972.
ALSO, WE FOUND EXAMPLES OF COLUMBARIUMS IN CONJUNCTION WITH A CHURCH IN NEARBY JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING AT ST BRIDGED CATHOLIC CHURCH IN ST.
BENEDICT CATHOLIC CHURCH IN JOHNS CREEK.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN INDICATING THAT THEY DID RECEIVE SOME PUBLIC FEEDBACK WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING IMPACTS TO A STREAM, WHETHER USED THE USE WOULD INCLUDE TRADITIONAL CMET, UH, TRADITIONAL CEMETERY WITH FULL BODY BURIALS, NOISE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, RUCKER ROAD.
AND, UH, A COMMENT THAT THE PROPOSAL REPRESENTED A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN.
THIS WAS SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC AT THE JUNE 10TH COMMUNITY ZONING INFORMATION MEETING.
THERE WERE PUBLIC COMMENTS IN SUPPORT AND IN OPPOSITION.
THOSE IN OPPOSITION HAD CONCERNS OVER NOISE, TRAFFIC DID NOT WANT, UH, HUMAN BURIALS, UH, AND OVERALL GROWTH OF ACTIVITY ON RUCKER ROAD.
WE HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK, WELL, NOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK, BUT THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD RECEIVED FROM THOSE THAT HAD CONCERNS THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS AN ACTUAL CEMETERY AND THAT IT WAS UTILIZING A MUCH LARGER AREA ON THE SITE.
IT IS NOT A CEMETERY IN THE SENSE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HUMANS BEING BURIED IN, IN THE GROUND.
IT IS LIMITED TO JUST THIS 2300 SQUARE FOOT, UH, COLUM BARUM.
AND SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, SUBJECT TO THREE CONDITIONS CONDITION.
ONE CEMETERY SHALL BE ADDED AS A PERMITTED USE AT 5 35 RUCKER ROAD AND LIMITED TO THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN PREPARED BY SMITH BOLAND ARCHITECTS.
SO THAT SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THIS 2300 SQUARE FOOT COLUMBARIUM, IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO THIS SITE PLAN.
SO THERE WOULD NOT, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO EXPAND THAT AREA, UH, WITHOUT COMING BACK IN IF THEY'RE APPROVED WITHOUT COMING BACK IN FOR A CHANGE OF CONDITIONS.
CONDITION TWO, CEMETERY USE SHALL BE LIMITED TO A COLUMBARIUM WITH THE SIZE, LOCATION, WALL HEIGHT AND DESIGN SUBSTANTIALLY AS DEPICTED ON THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN PREPARED BY SMITH BOLAND ARCHITECTS AND SUBMITTED RENDERINGS WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF.
THREE, APPLICANT SHALL INSTALL EVERGREENS ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE AT THE FENCE LINE WHERE GAPS EXIST IN THE AREA ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED COLUM COLUMBAR AND AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE, UH, PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
THANK YOU, MICHAEL, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
IS THIS THE FIRST ONE IN, UH, THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA? DO WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE? SO I, I LOOKED AROUND FOR OTHER EXAMPLES.
I COULD NOT FIND ANOTHER CHURCH PROPERTY WITH MAUSOLEUM OR COLUMBARIUM IN THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA.
I MAY HAVE MISSED IT IN THE RESEARCH, BUT WE DID CERTAINLY DIG AROUND, UH, LOOKING FOR THAT CONDITION.
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A CASE, A PUBLIC HEARING CASE FOR A CONDITIONAL USE IN OUR RECORDS.UM, BUT I DID FIND THE TWO EXAMPLES IN THE CITY OF JOHN'S CREEK AT THOSE, AT THE CHURCHES THAT I MENTIONED.
I I'M GOING TO ASK THE AUDIENCE TO REFRAIN FROM, UH, TALKING.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OUR COMMISSIONERS, UH, WHEN I HEAR SOUNDS, SO PLEASE IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, SO THE ONLY TWO YOU FOUND IS IN THE CITY OF ROSWELL, DID YOU SAY? YEAH, THE, THE TWO EXAMPLES I FOUND WERE IN CITY OF JOHN'S CREEK, JOHN'S CREEK.
I DID, I DIDN'T FIND EXAMPLES IN ALPHARETTA, BUT ADMITTEDLY WE COULD HAVE MISSED THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I HAVE A QUESTION ON, AND FORGIVE ME IF I'VE MISSED THIS, BUT I KNOW THE PROPOSED SIZE IS 62 FEET BY 48 FEET, CORRECT? YES.
WELL, WHAT IS THE WALL HEIGHT? THE WALL HEIGHT? I'M NOT SURE I HAVE, I BELIEVE WE SPOKE TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T RECALL IT, UH, EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
BECAUSE THE WALL HEIGHT ISN'T ON THIS, WOULD THAT NEED TO BE PUT ON HERE AS THE CONDITION? WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD THAT IN.
UM, I THINK WE WERE REFERENCING THE, THE RENDERINGS, UM, BASED ON WHAT THEY WERE TYPICALLY SHOWING THERE.
BUT YES, THEY DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER ON, ON THE RENDERINGS.
WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD THAT TO THE CONDITION.
WILL SOMETHING THIS SIZE, UM, REQUIRE STORM WATER REVIEW? SO IT WILL, IT WOULD ONLY TRIGGER STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS, FULL STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS IF IT'S 5,000 SQUARE FEET OR MORE OF IMPERVIOUS AREA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, NO QUESTIONS.
FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION.
ALRIGHT, SO I PUT TOGETHER, OH, SO MY NAME'S MIKE OLAND.
UM, I'M 1 48 HOLLAND STREET, MARIETTA, GEORGIA 3 0 0 6 4 IS WHERE I RESIDE.
I'M THE MANAGING PARTNER FOR SMITH BOLAND ARCHITECTS.
WE'RE THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM WORKING WITH ST.
THOMAS AQUINAS CATHOLIC CHURCH, AS WELL AS THE ARCHDIOCESE OF ATLANTA.
TECHNICALLY I THINK THE APPLICANT IS THE ARCHDIOCESE OF ATLANTA, IS THE LANDOWNER.
THOMAS AQUINAS IS ACTUALLY THE, THE USER OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO I PUT TOGETHER A QUICK POWERPOINT THAT JUST SORT OF RUNS THROUGH THE CONCEPT OF, UH, AND SORT OF EXPLAINS WHAT A COLUMN BARIUM IS, UH, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW.
UM, SO AGAIN, COLUMN BARIUM IS A STRUCTURE FOR THE REVERENTIAL, USUALLY PUBLIC STORAGE OF ARY URNS HOLDING CREMATED, CREMATED REMAINS OF THE DEAD.
SO AGAIN, NO FULL BODY BURIAL.
UM, SO HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN URN IN A NICHE.
SO THE NICHES ARE BASICALLY A NICE WAY OF SAYING A LOCKER THAT HOLDS, UM, CREMATED REMAINS IN AN URN.
UH, THOSE ARE USUALLY PLACED IN A WALL.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE BASICALLY MEMORIAL GARDENS OUTDOOR SPACES.
UM, THE ARCHITECTURE USUALLY REFLECTS THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS.
SO I PUT EXAMPLES OF TWO DIFFERENT COLUMN BARIUM GARDENS, AND YOU CAN SEE THEY USE SIMILAR MATERIALS, BRICK OR STONE.
UM, THE NICHES THEMSELVES USUALLY ARE GRANITE FACE PLATES THAT COVER, UM, THOSE NICHES.
THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO BE OPENED AND THE URNS ARE NOT TAKEN OUT AND TAKEN HOME.
ONCE THEY'RE PLACED IN THERE, THEY'RE LOCKED IN PLACE, UM, NEVER TO BE OPENED AGAIN UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO IN TURN ANOTHER, UM, URN IN THAT SAME, IN THAT SAME OPENING.
SO THERE'S NOT, UM, THERE'S NOT, IT'S NOT A CHECKOUT SYSTEM WHERE PEOPLE CAN TAKE THEIR LOVED ONE HOME FOR AN AFTERNOON AND THEN BRING THEM BACK AND PUT THEM BACK IN.
SO, UM, YOU MIGHT ALREADY KNOW ALL THIS, BUT I JUST FIGURED I'D COVER IT.
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ARE.HERE IS THE SITE, UM, AERIAL VIEW OF THE CAMPUS.
SO AGAIN, JUST WALKING YOU THROUGH, UH, WHERE THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE COLUMBARIUM WILL BE LOCATED ON THE CAMPUS.
SO IT'S ON THE, ON THE WEST, UM, THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE CAMPUS OR THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE CAMPUS.
UM, SO HERE IS A SORT OF A BLOWN UP AERIAL VIEW.
YOU CAN SEE SORT OF THE, THE PROPERTY LINE, THE EXISTING CHURCH, THE EXISTING PARISH CENTER AND THE SURROUNDING PARKING LOT.
AND THEN THE LOCATION FOR THE ACTUAL COLUMBARIUM ITSELF IS TUCKED IN BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND THE EXISTING ENTRANCE DRIVE THAT BRINGS YOU INTO THE CAMPUS.
SO WE ARE, UH, ROUGHLY 82 FEET FROM THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE FROM THE COLUMBARIUM AND THEN FROM THE COLUMBARIUM TO RUCKER ROAD, ROUGHLY 254 FEET BACK.
AND SO, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT MICHAEL DID, HERE'S A VIEW FROM RUCKER ROAD OF WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU PASS BY THE CAMPUS.
NOW THAT BUILDING IN THE FRONT IS THE BACK OF THE CHURCH IS WHAT FACES RUCKER ROAD.
AND IF YOU LOOK VERY CLOSELY, YOU CAN SEE THE IMAGE OF THE COLUMBARIUM, UH, TUCKED IN NEXT TO THE CHURCH.
SO THE, UM, THE IMPACT, UM, THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THIS COLUMN, BARIUM FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS ALMOST IMPERCEPTIBLE.
UM, AND IT, AND THE DESIGN OF IT IS SUCH THAT IT BLENDS IN PERFECTLY WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE EXISTING CHURCH.
AND AGAIN, MICHAEL SHOWED THIS IMAGE ALREADY.
IF YOU WERE ABOVE THE ENTRANCE DRIVE COMING INTO THE CAMPUS WITH THE, UH, COLUMBARIUM GARDEN TUCKED IN RIGHT UP AGAINST THE EXISTING CHURCH, WE'RE PLANNING ON USING THE SAME MATERIALS THAT, UM, THAT THE CHURCH, AND ACTUALLY MOST OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE CAMPUS ARE A, UM, A FIELDSTONE, UH, RUBBLE FIELDSTONE WALLS.
AND THEN AGAIN, AN INTERIOR VIEW.
UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHTS OF THE WALLS.
UM, AND FROM THE, IF I GO BACK TO THE AERIAL VIEW, THE TOPOGRAPHY DROPS ROUGHLY MAYBE THREE FEET FROM CURB LINE DOWN TO THE SIDEWALK NEXT TO THE CHURCH.
SO THE WALL HEIGHT, UM, IN TERMS OF HOW IT APPEARS WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING PAST THE COLUMBARIUM IS ROUGHLY, ROUGHLY FOUR AND A HALF TO FIVE FEET TALL BECAUSE IT'S BURNED DOWN INTO THE GROUND.
UM, IF THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE THE WAY I'M DESCRIBING THAT.
AND THE ONLY OTHER IMAGE I HAVE, UH, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT NEIGHBORING COLUMBARIUMS JUST IN METRO ATLANTA.
UM, A FEW OF THE, THESE ARE ALL CATHOLIC COLUMBARIUMS, ONE IN COMING GEORGIA IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER.
BRENDAN? THE NAVIGATOR CATHOLIC CHURCH? WE DESIGNED THAT AND IT WAS CONSTRUCTED ROUGHLY FIVE YEARS AGO.
UM, ALL SAINTS CATHOLIC CHURCH IN DUNWOODY HAS A COLUMBARIUM ST.
BRIDGET CATHOLIC CHURCH IN JOHNS CREEK HAS A COLUMBARIUM.
BENEDICT CATHOLIC CHURCH IN DULUTH ALSO HAS A COLUMBARIUM.
THE, THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST IN THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA FOR A CATHOLIC CHURCH.
BUT WE ARE AS ARCHITECTS ACTIVELY WORKING ON SIX COLUMN BARIUM DESIGNS FOR DIFFERENT, UM, CATHOLIC CHURCHES IN THE ARCHDIOCESE OF ATLANTA RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY'RE, UM, ATLANTA ARCHDIOCESE DOES NOT HAVE A CATHOLIC CEMETERY.
THEY HAVE SOME RESERVED SPACE IN A, UM, LOCAL CEMETERY, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A DEDICATED CATHOLIC CEMETERY.
UM, AND SO THE COLUMN BARIUMS BECOME, UM, RATHER IMPORTANT FOR THE PARISHES TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SACRED EARTH FOR PEOPLE TO BE INTERN IN.
AND I WILL, UH, I'LL STOP THERE.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD.
SO ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER, THAT WAS VERY NICELY DONE, YOUR PRESENTATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I, I HAVE ONE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE WALL HEIGHT.
UM, I KNOW THIS IS A, A A MEANT TO BE A, A PEACEFUL PLACE FOR A FAMILY TO COME PRAY AND, AND BE WITH THEIR LOVED ONES AND REFLECT.
UM, BUT ARE THERE SERVICES INSIDE THE AREA AS WELL? IT'S JUST A REFLECTION.
IT'S, UH, WE, SO WE PURPOSELY PLACED IT NEXT TO THE CHURCH SO THE FUNERAL MASSES WOULD BE HELD INSIDE THE CHURCH.
UM, THE ONLY SERVICE WOULD BE FOR, I GUESS IF THE, WHEN THEY BRING THE URN OUT AND SOME FAMILY MEMBERS COME OUT TO ACTUALLY PLACE IT INTO THE WALL AND MAYBE THE SAYING OF A PRAYER.
UH, BUT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY FUNERAL MASSES IN THE COLUMN BARIUM.
IT'S SUCH A SMALL, SMALL SPACE.
IT'S MEANT TO BE A REFLECTION,
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UM, SORT OF MEMORIAL SPACE.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
I'M GONNA OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ONE IN FAVOR.
PLEASE COME FORWARD SEEING NONE AND ANYONE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS APPLICATION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
DID YOU HAVE PEOPLE TO SIGN UP, UM, TO SPEAK? I ASKED DID YOU FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD, BUT YOU CAN COME FORWARD.
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
OKAY, I SEE SOMEBODY ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS ALLOWED TO COME.
I LIVE AT 2 2 5 WELLFORD TRACE THAT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE APPLICANT'S.
I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? I, YES MA'AM.
IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
AND, UM, WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH ST.
WE RESPECT THEIR PRESENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, WE ARE JUST LOOKING TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT THE MITIGATION CON CONDITIONS, UM, BE INTEGRATED IN THIS.
I KNOW HE SAID 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM UM, LIKE DAYLIGHT HOURS, BUT THOSE ARE ONLY DAYLIGHT HOURS FOR HALF THE YEAR AND THE OTHER HALF OF THE YEAR IT STAYS DARKER, YOU KNOW, LONGER AND GETS LIGHTER.
SO WE WERE REALLY WANTING, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ANY NECESSARY LIGHTING BE LIMITED TO A DAWN TO DUSK FOR APPROPRIATE FOR THAT TIME OF THE YEAR, AND THEN RESTRICT ACCESS AFTER THOSE HOURS.
SO IT PRESENTS A PROBLEM FOR ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE THERE, THAT THERE COULD BE PEOPLE ENTERING PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO MY YARD AFTER HOURS.
UM, THE, TO PROTECT OUR DARK SKY CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WERE REALLY WANTING NO OVERHEAD FLOOD LIGHTING WITHIN THE SURROUNDING COLUMBARIUM COURTYARD.
UM, JUST NECESSARY PATHWAY LIGHTING LIMITED TO LOW VOLTAGE GROUND LEVEL, UH, THAT AUTOMATICALLY WOULD EXTINGUISH AT DUSK OR AT NIGHT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE WALLS, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF SOUND BOUNCING OFF OF THE WALLS IF THERE WERE TO BE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WERE NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND MICROPHONES, EXTERNAL SPEAKERS THAT WOULD BE WITHIN OR ADJACENT TO THE FOOTPRINT.
UM, AND I, AND THE RENDERING IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT OF COURSE A RENDERING IS NOT A, A CONTRACT, IT'S JUST A RENDERING.
UM, SO THEN, UM, WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD BE LEGALLY RESTRICTED TO THE EXACT FOOTPRINT ATTACHED TO THE SITE PLAN TO PREVENT ANY FURTHER EXPANSION UPON THAT.
UM, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE UNDISTURBED BUFFER, UM, BETWEEN US, YOU KNOW, UM, A YEAR ROUND, UM, GREEN BUFFER BETWEEN ALL OF THE HOMES AND THAT PROPERTY.
WE WERE AFRAID THAT IF, IF, IF IT WAS ONE THING, IT WOULD LEAD TO ANOTHER AND THEN TO ANOTHER, AND THEN EVENTUALLY BE RIGHT UP AGAINST OUR PROPERTIES.
OH, UH, AND YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT TO COME LATER TO REBUT.
UH, ANY COMMENTS THAT I MADE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
WHY IS NOT A PROPOSITION I MEANT TOGETHER BEFORE HER
UM, MY NAME IS DO DOULE GARCIA FROM 900 BRIDGEPOINT COURT ALPHA GEORGIA.
AND I HAVE BEEN GOING TO, UM, ST.
THOMAS AQUINAS SINCE WE MOVED HERE IN 1998.
UM, IT WAS THE SECOND CATHOLIC CHURCH WE VISITED AFTER WE MOVED, AND IT WAS HOME FROM THE BED THAT WE GOT THERE.
IT'S A VERY WELCOMING COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, THE COLUMN BARIUM IS IMPORTANT TO ME 'CAUSE I, I ALREADY HAVE THE ASHES FOR MY HUSBAND AND I WANT TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST ONES TO PUT HIM THERE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN OUR HOME SINCE WE GOT HERE IN 98.
UM, UM, WHEN YOU GO TO THE COLO, IT IS JUST TO VISIT YOUR, UM, YOUR LOVED ONES.
THERE'S NO NOISE OR, UH, OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
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BIG LIGHTING AND, AND MUSIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.IT'S JUST AN AREA TO COME AND VISIT AND, AND PRAY TO YOUR LOVED ONES.
THANK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, ANYONE IN OPPOSITION? NO ONE ELSE IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME.
SHE COVERED, SHE COVERED WHAT? PERFECT.
UH, WE, WE, WE REPRESENT WELLFORD TRACE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT THERE.
UH, ASK THE APPLICANT IF YOU CAN COMMENT, COMMENT ON THOSE ISSUES THAT WERE JUST RAISED.
AND SORRY I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN EVERYTHING, BUT I THINK I, I REMEMBER THE, UH, COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
UM, SO THERE WILL BE NO AMPL PL UH, AMPLIFICATION OF SOUND OR MICROPHONES USED IN THE COLUMN BARIUM.
AGAIN, IT WILL BE AS QUIET THERE ONCE IT'S BUILT.
UM, THE, UH, IN TERMS OF LIGHTING, THERE WILL BE NO OVERHEAD FLOOD LIGHTING.
THERE'LL BE MINIMAL LIGHTING THAT IS, UM, THAT WILL PROBABLY UPLIGHT THE UNDERSTORY OF THE TREES.
I'M SORRY I TOOK THE RENDERINGS DOWN.
BUT, UM, THE, UM, BUT IT'LL JUST BE SOME LOW PATHWAY LIGHTING AND UM, A LIGHT THAT WASHES DOWN THE FACE OF THE, UM, OF THE FACE PLATES OF THE NICHES.
SO NONE OF THAT WILL BE VISIBLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE COLUMN BARIUM.
UM, THE, LET'S SEE, LIGHTING NOISE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE FOOTPRINT, FOOTPRINT OF THE COLUMN BARIUM, THAT'S TIED INTO THE SITE PLAN AND THAT, THAT'S ALREADY A CONDITION.
SO IT'S ALREADY LOCKED IN BASED ON THE SIZE AND LOCATION PER THE, UM, PER THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
UM, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT I, I THINK YOU COVERED, ALL COVERED.
WE HAVE AMPLIFIES OVERHEAD FLOODING, EVERGREEN BUFFER, OH, EVERGREEN BUFFER.
AND WE'LL PLANT WHATEVER THE CITY, UH, RECOMMENDS THAT WE PLANT IN ORDER TO FILL, UM, ALONG THAT, THAT THE CLOSEST, THE CLOSEST PROPERTY LINE THAT RUNS ALONG THAT EDGE THAT WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER PLANTING PLAN THAT WE NEED TO, TO MEET THAT.
I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO THE BOARD FOR MOTION AND OUR DISCUSSION.
MICHAEL
UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THREE.
BE, UM, AS THE, UM, THE LADY ASKED ABOUT THE BUFFER.
SO WE'RE JUST FILLING IN THE GAPS ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, BUT, UM, THERE IS A, THERE IS A GAP.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLAN UP.
UM, CAN YOU DO THE RENDERING, MICHAEL? THE THE RENDERING? YEAH, THE RENDERING.
SEE WHERE THE, THIS SITE IS HERE.
SO WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING OR REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO PUT ANY KIND OF TREE OR BUFFER ALONG THE WALL HERE.
NO, WE DIDN'T HAVE, THERE'S NOT A CONDITION, THE CONDITION THAT WE HAD WITH THE FILLING IN THE EVERGREEN SPACES RELATED TO THE GREEN BUFFER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS ROAD, I THINK IT'S BEST SHOWN IN THESE STREET VIEW PICTURES.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS PROPOSED COLUMBARIUM.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF TREES IN THIS AREA.
UM, BUT ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, THERE ARE EVERGREEN TREES HERE.
AND THERE'S A COUPLE, THERE'S A FEW AREAS WHERE THERE'S SPACE, MAYBE THE, THERE WAS AN EVERGREEN PLANTED THERE AND IT DIDN'T MAKE IT, AND IT'S BEEN, IT'S, IT'S BEEN REMOVED.
SO THESE ARE THE GAPS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I THINK WE HAD ANOTHER PICTURE.
NOW THERE'S A GAP HERE TO SOMEONE'S PRIVACY FENCE, BUT IT WOULD BE EXPECTED THAT THE, THE GREEN BUFFER CONTINUE AND, UM, ALL GAPS BE FILLED IN.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR SIZE.
I MEAN, YOU WOULDN'T PUT A THREE FOOT EVERGREEN TREE THERE.
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THEY WOULD HAVE TO PLANT AN EVERGREEN TREE OF MINIMUM SIZE OF THAT THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY REQUIRE.UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY ABOUT A FIVE TO SIX FOOT TALL EVERGREEN AT PLANTING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE CITY ARBORIST ON, YOU KNOW, THE EXACT, UM, MATERIAL.
IF HE WOULD WANT TO UTILIZE THE SAME EVERGREEN SPECIES THAT IS EXISTING IN THIS AREA, UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE AT, AT PLANTING.
WOULD HE WORK WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORS THAT A BUTT UP TO, I'M ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD OR IS IT JUST, I MEAN, TYPICALLY ONCE THE, THE APPROVAL IS DONE WITH A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THE APPLICANT OR THE CITY ARBORS WOULD BE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO FILL IN THOSE GAPS.
SO THE CITY ARBORS WOULD GO OUT TO THE LOCATION, UM, PROBABLY WITH THE APPLICANT.
SO HE'D GO ON SITE AND THEY WOULD IDENTIFY AND AGREE TO PLANTING LOCATIONS ALONG THIS, UH, OKAY.
CAN MR. CHAIRMAN, ON, ON THAT NUMBER TWO, MICHAEL, WOULD THAT ADDRESS THE LIGHTING CONCERNS? DOES THAT KIND OF BALLPARK EVERYTHING TOGETHER? NUMBER TWO, I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT LIGHTING WAS REALLY ADDRESSED IN ANY OF THE THREE CONDITIONS.
IT REALLY WASN'T IDENTIFIED IN THE APPLICANT'S, UM, APPLICATION AS TO, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN WHAT THEY VERBALLY, UM, RELAYED TO YOU, UH, THIS EVENING.
UM, SO IF YOU DID FEEL, HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE LIGHTING, YOU CERTAINLY COULD ADD A CONDITION, UM, THAT LIGHTING BE LIMITED TO, YOU KNOW, UPLIGHTING OF, OF TREES OR, UM, YOU KNOW, SOFT LIGHTING OF PATHWAYS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU COULD CERTAINLY ADD SOMETHING IN THERE.
NOW THE CITY DOES HAVE NIGHT SKY ORDINANCE.
UM, SO THERE WE, WE DO HAVE SOME REGULATIONS THAT WOULD LIMIT THE TYPE OF LIGHTING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE HERE.
BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD A CONDITION, YOU COULD.
SO THE CITY ORDINANCES WOULD ALSO COME INTO PLAY HERE? YEAH, WE DO HAVE NIGHT SKY ORDINANCE, YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MICHAEL? OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I'M GONNA TURN THESE OVER TO THE BOARD.
WELL, IT'S ALREADY WITH THE BOARD, UM, FOR MOTION AND OUR DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, THE QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, THE CONSIDERATION IF, IF WE NEED A FOURTH UM, CONDITION, UH, REGARDING LIGHTING.
BUT I'LL, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING OPINION.
I, I THINK WHAT, WHAT I HEARD MICHAEL'S SAY WAS THAT THE CITY'S NIGHT SKY ORDINANCE WOULD, WOULD COVER THIS.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS IT.
BUT IF WE WANTED TO BE SPECIFIC, WE COULD ADD A FOURTH CONDITION IN REGARDS TO UPLIGHTING, LIMITED TO TREE UPLIGHTING AND, AND, UH, LOW PATHWAY LIGHTING.
IF THE CITY'S, UM, ORDINANCE IS SUFFICIENT, UH, IT WOULD BE REPETITIVE.
UH, AND MICHAEL, IF YOU BELIEVE IT'S NECESSARY TO ADD ANYTHING TO RESTRICT THE, THE, THE FLOOD LIGHTING, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD? DO YOU THINK THE CITY'S ORDINANCE IS SUFFICIENT? I DO THINK THAT THE CITY'S ORDINANCE IS SUFFICIENT IN, IN THIS REGARD.
IT'S NOT GONNA ALLOW FOR ANY KIND OF LIKE FLOOD LIGHTING IN, IN THAT AREA.
UM, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THERE BE SCREENS ON ANY KIND OF LIGHTING, UM, SO THAT THERE'S NOT LIGHT POLLUTION ONTO OTHER PROPERTIES.
BUT AGAIN, IF, IF, IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE TO ADD A CONDITION, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
AND I WOULD JUST LIMIT IT TO THE LIGHTING THAT WAS DESCRIBED BY THE APPLICANT BEFORE THAT, BEFORE IT'S PUT INTO USE.
THE CITY'S GONNA COME OUT, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS GONNA COME OUT AND CHECK IT OUT AND SAY, YES, THIS MEETS OUR CODE, WON'T THEY? YEAH, MICHAEL, IF, IF THIS WASN'T THE COLLABOR, UM, AND IT WAS, THERE WAS A PAVED PATIO WHERE THEY WERE GONNA HAVE FRIDAY NIGHT DINNERS, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD WE BE HERE TODAY LOOKING? WE WOULDN'T, THE THE REASON WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE IT'S A CEMETERY QUOTE, WHATEVER.
SO IF THEY CHOSE TO HAVE, AND I'LL JUST BE JOKINGLY, UH, FISH FRY FRIDAYS, THERE WOULD BE NO RESTRICTION ON LIGHTING OR ANYTHING ELSE.
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IF SOMEONE WERE ADDING ON A PORCH ONTO THEIR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, WE'RE NOT GETTING A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN TO, TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S EXTERIOR LIGHTING ON THAT.BUT WITH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT REQUIRES, UH, APPROVAL BY DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, UH, WE DO REQUIRE LIGHTING PLANS WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE PLANS, AND THEY DO HAVE TO PROVIDE US WITH A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN SHOWING THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LOW FOOT CANDLE LEVEL AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO LIGHT POLLUTION'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW STADIUM LIGHTING EITHER WAY.
YEAH, SO I, I MEAN, I, I GET THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN BETWEEN DAWN AND DUSK.
HOWEVER, IF WE TRY TO PICK HOURS OF THE DAY, I MEAN, THE, I KNOW THAT THE CHURCH, I, I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE PRETTY MUCH, AND I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS BUILT AND YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DO HAVE ACTIVITIES AFTER EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND THEY HAVE YET TO PUT FLOODLIGHTS IN.
WITH THAT, I, I WILL, UH, GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I GOT A MAN IN MY MOUTH, CU DASH 26 DASH OH SEVEN ST.
THOMAS AQUINAS CATHOLIC CHURCH.
HELP ME PRONOUNCE THAT WITH STAFF CONDITION.
A MOTION BASE HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPERLY SECONDED.
AND IF FURTHER DISCUSSION, HEARING NONE OR IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
AND WE GO BEFORE FULL COUNCIL MONDAY WEEK ON JULY THE 20TH.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY OTHER ITEM TO, WELL, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ITEM TO CONSIDER, WHICH IS PH DASH 26 0 4 UDC TEXT AMENDMENTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE YOU GOT CLOCK IN FRONT OF YOU.
OH, THANK YOU AGAIN, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
THE FINAL ITEM THIS EVENING IS OUR TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, TO AMEND ARTICLES ONE AND TWO RELATED TO BUSINESS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES PARKING IN RESIDENTIAL ZONED, UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TEXT AMENDMENTS, UH, TO ASSIGN DEFINITIONS FOR A BUSINESS VEHICLE AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, AS WELL AS TEXT AMENDMENTS TO AMEND THE LOCATIONAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR BUSINESS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE RELATED TO SOME, UH, RECENT CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES.
IN ONE CASE, A JUDGE RULED AGAINST THE CITY DUE TO THE LACK OF A DEFINITION FOR A BUSINESS IN RECREATIONAL VEHICLE.
SO THAT COVERS THE DEFINITION PIECE.
AND THEN IN ANOTHER CASE, A HOMEOWNER SAW AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL FROM THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS BECAUSE A VARIANCE TO THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARKING REGULATIONS WAS NOT PERMITTED, UH, DUE TO THAT USE BEING PROHIBITED IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND SO WE ARE ASKING, UM, RECOMMENDING AMENDMENTS TO THE UDC TO CLARIFY THAT BUSINESS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES MAY ONLY BE PARKED ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WHEN THEY ARE PARKED OR STORED IN AN AREA THAT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
REGULATIONS ARE PROPOSED, ALLOWING CITY COUNCIL TO GRANT VARIANCES TO THE PARKING OR STORAGE OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLES WHEN CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET, INCLUDING SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS AND A DETERMINATION THAT THE VARIANCE WOULD NOT CAUSE A SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC.
AND SO I HAVE THE DEFINITIONS HERE.
YOU SEE THE FIRST DEFINITION IS THE DEFINITION OF BUSINESS VEHICLE.
AND SO WE HAD BUSINESS VEHICLE AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLE LISTED, UM, REGULATIONS IN OUR CODE, BUT WE NEVER HAD DEFINITIONS FOR THOSE TERMS. SO YOU SEE THE DEFINITIONS HERE AND THEN THE CHANGES TO THE LOC LOCATIONAL CRITERIA FOR PARKING.
SO AGAIN, THESE CHANGES ARE TO CLARIFY THAT THE, UM, BUSINESS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES MAY ONLY BE PARKED ON A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY WHEN THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHANGES THAT YOU SEE HERE.
AND THEN WE GO ON TO MAKE CHANGES REGARDING RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
WE STILL REQUIRE THAT BUSINESS VEHICLES
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ARE PROHIBITED.PARKING OF BUSINESS VEHICLES IS PROHIBITED IN ON RESIDENTIAL LEASE ZONE PROPERTIES, BUT IT DOES NOT PROHIBIT RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
IT DOES NOT ALLOW THEM, BUT IT PROVIDES A PATH THAT SOMEONE COULD SEEK A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE TO BE PARKED ON A PROPERTY.
AGAIN, IF THERE'S SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS AND THAT THEY HAVE A HARDSHIP AND IT WOULDN'T BE A DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THESE ARE THE, THE, UH, CHANGES, UM, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
MICHAEL, CAN YOU GIVE LIKE A HYPOTHETICAL CASE ON HOW THIS IS APPLIED? GIVE ME A HYPOTHETICAL.
SO BASICALLY WHAT THE, THE CHANGES ARE CLARIFYING THE FACT THAT IF YOU HAD A BUSINESS VEHICLE, SO LET'S SAY THAT YOU, UM, WORK FOR HOME DEPOT AND YOU HAVE A CAR THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE ON THE SIDE OF, OF THE VEHICLE AND YOU DRIVE THAT HOME EVERY DAY, THAT'S A, IT'S A BUSINESS VEHICLE.
UM, SO THE, THAT NEEDS TO BE PARKED IN AN AREA WHERE IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
SAME THING WITH A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, A CAMPER, UM, A BOAT, A JET SKI.
THOSE HAVE TO BE PARKED IN AN AREA ON, ON THAT PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
UM, AND THERE'S NO VARIANCE CURRENTLY.
YOU CANNOT SEEK A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THEM TO BE PARKED ON THAT PROPERTY WHERE THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE SEEN FROM THE STREET, BUT THERE COULD BE SOME HARDSHIP ON THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE LANGUAGE IN THE CODE SAYS THAT IT IS PROHIBITED TO PARK A BUSINESS VEHICLE OR A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE ON A PROPERTY.
THESE CHANGES WOULD NOW ALLOW COUNSEL TO APPROVE A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE TO BE PARKED ON A PROPERTY.
I'LL GO BACK TO THE EXAMPLE OF THE RESIDENT THAT IS, WAS PARKING A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE ON HIS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
UM, AND HE WENT TO BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS BASICALLY TO APPEAL THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S DECISION.
UM, BECAUSE HE COULDN'T SEEK A VARIANCE THERE, IT WAS A PROHIBITED USE, SO HE COULDN'T SEEK A VARIANCE.
SO HE WENT THROUGH THE MOTIONS OF GOING TO BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, ENDED UP THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS SIDED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND HE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO PARK HIS RECREATIONAL VEHICLE ON HIS PROPERTY.
HIS RECREATIONAL VEHICLE IN THAT CASE WAS A TRUCK WITH A LARGE TRAILER.
HE DID, UM, AS A, UH, RECREATIONAL HOBBY.
UM, HE RACED VEHICLES, AND SO THE TRAILER ALLOWED HIM TO PUT HIS RACING VEHICLE INSIDE, INSIDE THAT TRAILER.
SO RIGHT AS OF RIGHT NOW, HE WAS CITED, HE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS TO APPEAL OUR DECISION, AND HE CANNOT PARK THAT VEHICLE ON THE PROPERTY.
HE DOES HAVE A SITUATION WHERE HE HAS A PLACE TO PARK THE VEHICLE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHERE IT IS FAIRLY SCREENED FROM THE STREET.
IT'S TUCKED BACK IN THERE, BUT OUR CODE CURRENTLY DOESN'T PROVIDE HIM WITH A PATH TO GET A VARIANCE APPROVED TO ALLOW THAT CONDITION.
BUT WHAT IF YOUR HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION PREVENTS THAT? WELL, IF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION PREVENTS IT, THAT SUPERSEDES OUR, OUR CODES.
SO THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT DID NOT LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE IT H OA, IT DIDN'T HAVE, IT WASN'T ESTABLISHED HOA CAN.
I'M GONNA ADD ONE MORE THING TO THAT.
UM, THE, THESE, THE EXAMPLE THAT MICHAEL WAS TALKING ABOUT, HIS NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY CAME TO THE MEETING ALSO SUPPORTING IT, SAYING, WE CAN'T SEE IT.
WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
BUT, UM, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS SAID, WELL UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S JUST THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE EXAMPLES WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SHOW UP, THE NEIGHBORS ARE FINE, ALL ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, THEY SAID, 'CAUSE HIS DRIVEWAY WAS SO SET BACK SO FAR AND THERE WAS TREES ON THE FRONT, THEY COULDN'T REALLY SEE IT.
IT WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT FOUND, AND IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS REPORTED.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAYS TO MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU COULD ASK FOR THAT VARIANCE.
THIS IS A, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE DEFINING AS A BUSINESS? AND, AND THE REASON I ASK IS JOE'S PLUMBING, AND JOE LIVES IN THE HOUSE, AND JOE HAS HIS TRUCK WRAPPED WITH JOE'S PLUMBING ON THE SIDE.
HOWEVER, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND A A, A VEHICLE WRAP WITH GEORGIA TECH? THOSE WOULD, THOSE WOULD BOTH BE BUSINESS.
ARE YOU GONNA GO, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GONNA CATEGORIZE? I MEAN, IF IT WAS, IF YOU, IF YOU WORKED FOR GEORGIA TECH AND YOU HAD NO, NO, NO.
MY, MY KID WENT TO GEORGIA TECH AND I PAID A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR HIM TO GO THERE.
SO I HAVE A BIG, UH, BIG STICKER OF GEORGIA TECH ON THE SIDE OF MY TRUCK.
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YEAH.THEY WOULD BE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE WOULD BE CONSIDERED A BUSINESS VEHICLE AND ONE WOULD NOT.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T PUT IN ARBITRARY THINGS IS, SO WE'RE GONNA DEFINE A BUSINESS AS SOMETHING THAT YOU RAISE MONEY FOR.
I THINK, I THINK THE, THE ISSUE WITH SIGNAGE, THE, THE TRICKY THING THAT WE GET INTO WITH SIGNAGE IS THAT WE CANNOT REGULATE CONTENT OF THE SIGNAGE.
SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE REGULATING THE USE THE BUSINESS VEHICLE IS, IS THE USE.
SO WE'RE, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS YOU'VE GOT A BUSINESS VEHICLE AND THEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT JUST LIKES SAY, YOU KNOW, A COLLEGE OR A ATHLETIC TEAM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I, I, I GUESS IT COULD HAVE THE SAME EFFECT.
I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT, BUT, BUT I'M, I'M TRYING TO DEFEND JOE HERE.
JOE JOE'S PLUMBING, AND YOU KNOW, HE LIVES IN A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HE'S GOT A NICE TRUCK AND HE'S GOT IT WRAPPED WITH HIS COMPANY.
AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, I'M SORRY IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN TWO CARS THAT DON'T FIT IN THE GARAGE, YOURS CAN'T BE OUTSIDE THE GARAGE.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT CODE SAYS.
WE'RE, WE'RE CLEANING UP SOME, SOME LANGUAGE THERE.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT WHAT THE CURRENT CODE SAYS, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT CODE NO, I'M ALL FOR NOT HAVING JET SKIS AND, YOU KNOW, BIG TRACTOR THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, A, A UH, JOHN DEERE ON THE BACK OF IT.
I GET, I GET THAT, BUT I MEAN, WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL OF WHERE WE'RE TAKING THIS DOWN TO BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE SELF-EMPLOYED THAT LIVE IN THIS CITY WHO ARE PROUD OF THEIR BUSINESS, AND THAT'S THEIR VEHICLE.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER VEHICLE.
I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT ALONG THOSE LINES.
I MEAN, HOW, HOW DO WE TREAT PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES? YOU KNOW, ALFRED, A POLICE ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE THEIR POLICE CARS HOME, AND I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A BUSINESS VEHICLE.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO EITHER SIT ON THE STREET OR SIT IN THE DRIVEWAY.
IT WOULD NEED TO BE PARKED IN A GARAGE OR IN A LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
WHAT ABOUT B BASED ON THE DEFINITION, THEY'RE HOME BASED BUSINESSES OR AWAY FROM HOME BUSINESSES THAT PROVIDE VEHICLES TO THEIR EMPLOYEES, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY LEVELING ON THE SIDE OF THE VEHICLE, BUT IT'S STILL A BUSINESS VEHICLE.
SO SOMEBODY LIKE THAT WOULD BE VIOLATING CODE WITHOUT KNOWING THAT THEY'RE VIOLATING CODE.
SO WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, BUT BASED ON THE DEFINITION, THE DEFINITION OF BUSINESS VEHICLE THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH SAYS AN AUTOMOBILE UTILIZED FOR BUSINESS OR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, WHICH IS THE CASE YOU JUST MENTIONED, OR BEARING BUSINESS OR COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE.
BUT IT BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S A BUSINESS VEHICLE THAT IS A BUSINESS THAT A VEHICLE THAT YOUR BUSINESS GIVES YOU TO DRIVE, BUT THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE ON IT, YOU MAY NOT EVEN KNOW IT'S A BUSINESS VEHICLE.
MAYBE IT SHOULD BE BUSINESS VEHICLE WITH A SIGN ON IT.
WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT AND WE CAN TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY KATHY ABOUT THAT.
WELL, MICHAEL, I MEAN, IN ALL THE YEARS THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE ONLY HAD TWO, WE'VE ONLY HAD TWO ISSUES.
I WOULDN'T, SO WE'VE MAKING, MAKING AND SAY WE ONLY HAD TWO ISSUES.
I JUST BROUGHT THOSE WERE THE TWO THAT HAD COME UP.
I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, IS THIS BEEN AN ISSUE? I MEAN, WELL, WE'RE GETTING HUNG UP ON THE DEFINITION.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO ADD DEFINITIONS AND THEN ADD A PATH FOR A, AN EXCEPTION.
BECAUSE BEFORE THERE WAS NO PATH, BUT WE'RE GETTING HUNG.
WE AS A BOARD ARE GETTING HUNG, I'M SORRY, ARE GETTING HUNG UP ON THE DEFINITION OF A BUSINESS VEHICLE.
TO TELL MY AGE, THE MARY KAY VEHICLES THAT WERE PINK
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE, IF IT'S BEING USED FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES, WELL, OF COURSE IT IS.
IT'S THE ONLY PICK CADILLACS OUT THERE.
YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY, I I THINK YOU'VE GR BRINGING UP GREAT POINTS AND WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT DEFINITION FOR BUSINESS VEHICLE.
I, I THINK THERE ARE GREAT POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THIS EVENING.
MICHAEL, ARE YOU, I I THINK I'M MISSING SOMETHING HERE BECAUSE IS WHAT IS PROPOSED IS THAT TO CLEAN THIS UP SO THAT IT IS ALLOWED, LIKE MARY OR BOB'S PLUMBING CAN PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY IF THERE'S, OR THEY CAN'T
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PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY WITH MARY AND BOB'S PLUMBING TRUCK.SO WE'RE ONLY PROVIDING A PATH FOR SOMEONE TO GET A VARIANCE FOR A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, NOT A BUSINESS VEHICLE.
SO THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF ASKING COUNSEL FOR A VARIANCE WOULD BE FOR THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, THE CAMPERS, THE BOATS, THE, THE JET SKIS, THAT KIND OF VEHICLE.
IT'S NOT THE BUSINESS VEHICLES.
THE BUSINESS, THE, THE WRITING OF THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENTS HERE WOULD STILL MAKE IT A PROHIBITED USE TO PARK A BUSINESS VEHICLE THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
IT WOULD STILL NEED TO BE PARKED INSIDE OF A GARAGE OR SOME TYPE OF ENCLOSURE OR SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY WHERE IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
SO OUR MARY KAY PERSON WOULD HAVE TO TARP THEIR VEHICLE.
THAT IS POTENTIALLY, I'D RATHER HAVE THAT THAN LET MARY KAY PARK HER PINK CADILLAC.
I THINK I, I I THINK I'M GONNA GO WITH LETTING MARY KAY OR PINK CADILLAC, BUT IIII GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA ENFORCE THINGS LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ENFORCE PEOPLE PARKING NOSE DOWN ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE DON'T, IT'S ILLEGAL, BUT THEY DO IT.
IIII UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND, AND IT'S HARD TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BOB MAY HAVE A REALLY NICE TRUCK AND JUST REALLY NICE WRAPPING AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S JUST AWFUL.
IS IT THE WAY IT IS NOW OR I DON'T, OR IS IT BEING PROPOSED? MARY OR BOB WORK FOR XYZ PEST CONTROL COMPANY AND THEY GET TO BRING THEIR CAR HOME AND IT SAYS X, Y, Z PEST CONTROL ON THE SIDE.
NOT WRAP, BUT YOU KNOW, XY, Z PEST CONTROL HERE.
ARE THEY ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED TO PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY IF THERE'S, I'M NOT, THERE'S NO ROOM IN THE GARAGE.
SO THAT, CAN THEY PARK THAT VEHICLE ON THE DRIVEWAY? IS THAT YES OR NO? NOW, NOW BEFORE THESE CHANGES, THEY COULD NOT PARK THEIR VEHICLE ON THE DRIVEWAY WITH THESE CHANGES.
THEY COULD NOT PARK THEIR CAR ON THE DRIVEWAY.
SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO THE BUSINESS VEHICLE BEING PROHIBITED THAT'S ALREADY IN THE CODE.
AND THAT WOULD CONTINUE THE PATH FOR THE VARIANCE IS ONLY FOR THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE.
THIS MAY BE A LITTLE SILLY, BUT YOU'RE TELLING THEM THEY CAN'T PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY, BUT THEY COULD PARK IT ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET AND IT WOULD BE JUST FINE.
I MEAN, IF THEY WERE PARKING ON THE STREET, UNLESS THEY WERE PRIVATE STREETS THAT THE HOA HAD CONTROL OVER AND THEY HAD REGULATIONS.
EVEN PEOPLE PARK SOMEONE'S PARKED ON THE STREET.
I MEAN, BUT AN HOA IS NOT INVOLVED AND IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA WITH NO HOA THAT RESTRICTS THEM FROM PARKING ON THE STREET.
THEY COULD PARK ON THE STREET, BUT THEY CAN'T PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.
IF THEY WERE PARKED ON THE STREET AND THEY WERE ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE STREET AND IT'S A BUSINESS VEHICLE, THEN THIS CODE DOESN'T APPLY TO THEM.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ON THE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
ONE LAST TIME ON THIS
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE IT WHERE I CAN NOW PARK THAT MY PICKUP TRUCK WITH THE CAMPER PARKED IN MY DRIVEWAY.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE? IF YOU HAD THAT TYPE OF VEHICLE AND YOUR NEIGHBORS WERE SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR REQUEST TO COUNSEL TO GET A VARIANCE TO ALLOW YOU TO PARK THAT ON YOUR DRIVEWAY VISIBLE FROM THE STREETS, THEN THERE WOULD BE A VARIANCE PROCESS AVAILABLE TO YOU.
WELL, LET, LET'S CONSIDER THE KNOW THE PATH FORWARD FOR RECREATION OF VEHICLES, BUT I WOULD ASK STAFF TO LOOK AT THE PARKING INSTALL OF BUSINESS VEHICLE.
THE DEFINITION FOR BUSINESS, WHEN I READ THE REVISION ON PAGE FOUR OF NINE, THE PARKING OR STORAGE OF ANY BUSINESS VEHICLE USED IN CONNECTION WITH A HOME-BASED BUSINESS IS PROHIBITED ON ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
WHICH MEANS IF YOU OWN A HOME BUSINESS AND YOU HAVE A VEHICLE AND HAS NO SIGN ON THE SIDE, YOU CANNOT PARK IT THERE.
IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT, YES, YOU CAN.
WE CAN MAYBE PROHIBIT WITH SIGNS ON THE SIDE WHERE IT'S ADVERTISING, BUT IF IT'S JUST A VEHICLE,
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PEOPLE ARE VIOLATING THE CODE WITHOUT KNOWING THEY'RE VIOLATING THE CODE RIGHT NOW.'CAUSE THEY HAVE A HOME BUSINESS OR ANOTHER BUSINESS, THEY DRIVE A COMPANY CAR DOESN'T HAVE ANY MARKINGS ON IT, BUT TECHNICALLY THEY ARE VIOLATING THE CODE BASED ON THIS STATEMENT.
NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
YEAH, IF PEOPLE, I MEAN, I DRIVE MY TRUCK TO WORK EVERY DAY.
PART PART OF MY JOB IS TO DO SPEAKING THINGS THAT I ACTUALLY GET IN MY TRUCK.
SO I WOULD SAY IT'S A BUSINESS VEHICLE
YEAH, THERE IS A, WE CAN CERTAINLY, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.
YEAH, THERE IS A, I THINK IT ALL GOES BACK TO THAT DEFINITION.
SO DO WE DEFER THIS OR DO WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO HANDLE THIS? MR. CHAIRMAN? AT THE MOMENT, WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING REGARDING BUSINESS VEHICLES.
THIS IS CLEANING UP THE TEXT, BUT THEY STILL CANNOT PARK.
NOW, NOW I BELIEVE WHAT STAFF IS TRYING TO DO IS TO PROVIDE A PATH WHERE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES CAN BE PARKED.
IF THE NEIGHBORS ARE SUPPORTIVE AND THERE IS A, THEY CAN GET A, A VARIANCE, IS THE VARIANCE THE RIGHT WORD? MM-HMM
SO THEY, THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE A MEANS WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO IT.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET NA I MEAN WITH NO HOA WHAT ARE YOU GONNA GO AROUND AND GET, YOU KNOW, A PETITION OF 50 PEOPLE TO AGREE? I MEAN, HOW ARE YOU GONNA DECIDE IF YOU HAVE ONE PERSON SAY NO AND 10 PEOPLE SAY YES? I MEAN, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
WHAT IF JOE DOESN'T HAVE A GARAGE THERE BY CODE, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CARPORT OR GARAGE FOR YOUR REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.
I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY MAYBE SOME OLDER STRUCTURES OUT THERE THAT NEVER HAVE A GARAGE IN OUR PRE PRECEDE OUR CODE.
WELL, WOULD THIS INCLUDE APARTMENTS AND CONDOMINIUMS AND THINGS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY, OR TYPICALLY HAVE A GARAGE? YEAH, IT'S, IT IS PARKING ON RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
SO THEY WON'T HAVE A GARAGE OR PARKING PLACE IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX TYPICALLY EITHER.
IF IT'S A, IF IT'S APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH A, WITH A SURFACE PARKING LOT, THEN YEAH, THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
IF THERE, IF IT HAD STRUCTURED PARKING, THEN THAT WOULD BE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
HOW CRITICAL IS THIS IN TERMS OF PASSAGE? I, I DON'T, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE US, I MEAN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DEFER IT, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S LIKE A MAJOR, YOU KNOW, TIMING ON THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALSO, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO SOME QUICK, UM, WORK ON THE DEFINITION AND SOME OF THE REGULATION BEFORE IT GETS TO COUNCIL.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY TIMING ISSUES ON THIS.
I THINK WE NEED TO VET IT A LITTLE BIT.
I, UM, I ALWAYS HESITATE TO POUND THE BOARD TO COUNCIL.
UM, THAT'S WHY THEY ARE APPOINTED US TO FACILITATE THE PUBLIC PROCESS AND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THERE USED TO BE A TIME WHEN WE WOULD SEND THINGS WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION.
WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOBS THEN
SO I WOULD, I WOULD RATHER VE IT AT THIS TIME.
AND, UH, WE ARE NOT ALWAYS PERFECT SO THEY CAN FIX ANY PERFECT AND EVEN THEY ARE NOT PERFECT AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO FIX IT LATER IF THEY ARE WHAT ARE CALLED DE VOIDS OR DEFECTS IN LAW.
IT CAN BE CURED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO THAT I'M, I'M SPEAKING WHERE I AM NOW.
MAYBE THE BOARD MAY WANT TO DEFAULT TO PASS IT FORWARD.
I'M, I'M MORE AND THINK ABOUT IT AND THINK ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS VEHICLE AND THE DEFINITION.
JUST THE WHOLE PACKAGE IS PROBABLY BETTER.
WHY WOULD, WHILE WE'RE FIGURING THAT OUT, WHAT IF THEY HAD THE LICENSE PLATES ON
WHAT ARE YOU GOING, IS THAT A BUSINESS VEHICLE, JOE? HE'S A PLUMBER AND HE'S GOT HIS JOE PLUMBING ON BACK, BACK ON GEORGIA.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT OF, OF WHAT THE CODE, BUT IT, IT DEFINITELY BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.
IT'S A BUSINESS VEHICLE THAT HAS SIGNAGE.
YOU'RE GONNA THINK ALL NIGHT ABOUT YOU GOT ME ROLLING, MICHAEL.
I MEAN, I I GET WHERE YOU WANT BE AND I
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DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.AND MATTER OF FACT, I THINK IT'S REALLY A GOOD IDEA.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO LOOK AT MY POSITION UP HERE THAT WE HAVE TO REPRESENT ALL THE CITIZENS IN ALPHARETTA.
NOT JUST WHAT MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE, ACTUALLY HAVE ABOUT ROLE TIDE, ALABAMA
I MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER, UH, PH DASH 26 DASH OH FOUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TAX AMENDMENTS, BUSINESS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED BY DC.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? HEARING NONE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
MOTION CARRIES AND YES, AND WE CAN HAVE FUN HERE.
IT'S NOT A SERIOUS BUSINESS, SO YOU WANNA LAUGH.
YOU, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.