* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [2. WORK SESSION ITEMS] [00:00:02] ALL RIGHT. MORNING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA'S DESIGN REVIEW BOARD WORKSHOP SESSION. GLAD YOU'RE HERE THIS MORNING. TODAY IS FRIDAY, AUGUST 21ST, 2026. GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE THIS MORNING. OKAY. AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA TURN THE MEETING OVER TO, UM, OFFICER BRETT SCHROEDER TO WALK US THROUGH OUR APPLICATIONS THAT WE'LL BE HEARING, UH, STARTING AT NINE O'CLOCK THIS MORNING FOR DURING OUR PUBLIC HEARING. SO, OFFICER SCHROEDER, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. UM, I THINK WE HAVE FIVE CASES TODAY, SO WE'LL BREEZE THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICK AND, AND THEN, UM, START THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO, UH, FIRST ONE, CRUST PIZZA. EVERYBODY I'M SURE FAMILIAR WITH CRUST PIZZA, THEY'RE MOVING ACROSS THE STREET TO, UM, THE OLD OFF LEASH BUILDING. OLD, UM, GOSH, WHAT WAS IT? RITE AID RECORD? ECKARD ECKARD RITE AID. YEAH. SO, UM, MOVING ACROSS THE STREET, UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING SOME, UH, QUITE A BIT OF INTERIOR STUFF, UM, JUST FOR KNOWLEDGE. THEY'RE ALSO REMOVING MOST OF THE TURF THAT WAS THERE THAT, UM, THE OFF LEASH HAD OUT, UM, OUTSIDE THERE CLOSER TO PUBLIX AND MAKING THAT PARKING. SO THEY'LL HAVE SUBSTANTIAL, SUBSTANTIALLY MORE PARKING ON SITE. UM, THEY'RE GONNA DO A DRIVE THROUGH, AN ACTUAL DRIVE THROUGH INSTEAD OF JUST A DRIVE UP, LIKE, UM, THEY HAVE ACROSS THE STREET, UM, THE OLD ECKERDS DRIVE THROUGH SIDE THAT'S STILL THERE. AND SO THEY'RE GONNA REPURPOSE THAT AND, AND MAKE THAT AN ACTUAL DRIVE THROUGH. UM, I BELIEVE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO IT OFF OF OLD MILTON AND THAT LITTLE ROAD THAT KIND OF COMES FROM THE BANK, UM, OVER IN THERE. UM, AND THEN FUNNEL OUT ONTO MAIN STREET. SO ANYWAY, UM, THEY'RE HERE FOR SIGNAGE TODAY, SO THEY'RE GOT TWO SIGNS, UM, THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO HERE. THIS ONE, LET ME GET TO A LITTLE BETTER. SO THIS IS OVER THEIR FRONT DOOR, WHICH WOULD FACE, UM, MAIN STREET, HALO ILLUMINATION, NICE RAISED LETTERS. I LIKE IT LOOKS NICE, ILLUMINATED. AND THEN THIS IS ON THE END OF THE BUILDING THAT WOULD FACE, UM, OLD MILTON PARKWAY. AND THEN THE MONUMENT SIGN JUST DOING THE SAME THING, TAKING IT OUT TO THE, OUT TO THE STREET. THE MONUMENT EXISTS. THEY'RE JUST REUSING THE, THE BASE AND, AND TOP AND PUTTING THEIR STUFF ON IT. ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT ONE? UM, SO BRETT, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE SIGNAGE TODAY FOR THAT, JUST SIGNAGE. YEP. UM, WILL THEY, THE, THE BUILDING MODIFICATIONS, ARE THEY COMING? WHAT ARE, I DON'T BELIEVE THE BUILDING MODIFICATIONS THAT THEY'RE DOING, ANYTHING THAT WILL REQUIRE YOU GUYS? UM, I'VE NOT SEEN THE FULL PLANS YET. UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THEIR INTENT IS TO DO ANYTHING THAT, UM, WILL NEED TO COME HERE. THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY KIND OF DRIVE THROUGH. THEY ARE DOING A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT IT ALREADY EXISTS, UM, RIGHT HERE. OKAY. IT, SO THEY'RE JUST, IT WAS A COVERED PATIO AREA FOR OFF LEASH. THEY'RE, SINCE THEY'RE REWORKING ALL THE GROUND THERE, UM, THEY'RE GONNA JUST MAKE REMAKE THAT INTO A, INTO THE DRIVE UNDER, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THEY TELL ME. THEY'RE NOT CHANGING IT, JUST REPURPOSING IT, I GUESS, TO, TO REPAVE THE TURF AREAS. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REMOVE SOME LANDSCAPING AND THINGS, UM, AND THE FENCING AND WELL, THEY'RE GONNA BE REMOVING SOME OF THE FENCING AND MOVING IT AROUND, UM, AND STUFF. BUT, UM, OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE'LL, WE'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU TO YEAH. FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE, ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UM, SEVEN BREW COFFEE. SEVEN BREW COFFEE IS A DRIVE THROUGH ONLY MODEL. UM, THEY'RE GOING, GOING OUT ON, UM, OLD MILTON PARKWAY, IT'S STATE BRIDGE ROAD, I BELIEVE OUT THERE, UM, WAS A, A GEORGIA CLINIC, I THINK WAS THE NAME OF IT. SHELL STATION'S RIGHT THERE. UM, SO THEY'RE GOING WHERE THE CLINIC WAS. I BROUGHT THIS MAP UP BECAUSE IT SHOWS THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, UM, JUST [00:05:01] BECAUSE IT'S, YOU'LL SEE IT AND WONDER PROBABLY WHAT IT IS. MAYBE. UM, THIS IS THE BILLBOARD THAT SITS OUT THERE AND THE EASEMENT THAT'S AROUND IT AND STUFF. SO LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, THINGS THAT THEY COULDN'T APPROACH INTO THE EASEMENT AREA. ALSO, UM, JUST FOR NOTE, THERE'S OVERHEAD POWER LINES ALL ALONG THE ROAD HERE. SO THE TREE SCAPE IS GONNA BE MINIMAL LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO OLD STATE BRIDGE, OLD MILTON IS BOTTOM. SCREEN THE FUNNEL IN INTO THEIR ENTRANCE, DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH LINES AROUND, AND THEN THE BARISTAS OR SERVERS WILL COME FROM YOUR LEFT SIDE, SERVE BOTH, AND THEN BACK OUT, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO OUT ONTO THAT. UM, THERE'S AN OIL CHANGE PLACE BACK HERE. THERE'S A, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES OUT ONTO THAT SIDE ROAD. I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF THAT SIDE ROAD THAT COMES OFF OF, UM, KIMBALL BRIDGE AND CIRCLES ONTO, ONTO, UM, STATE BRIDGE THERE. OR YOU CAN COME BACK OUT ONTO STATE BRIDGE ROAD SEVEN BREW BUILDING. UM, IT'S ORIENTED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, THAN WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO HERE. SO THERE, WHAT LOOKS LIKE THEIR FRONT IS ACTUALLY FACING THE BACK, WHAT WE CALL THE BACK. SO THIS, THIS IS NOT THE STREET, SO WE ALWAYS CALL THE FRONT WHAT FACES THE STREET? SO THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS A BIG COOLER AREA INSIDE THE BUILDING. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS THE FRONT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD 'EM RENAME THESE, BUT I DIDN'T . UM, THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FOR US. SO SINCE THERE'S A COOLER IN HERE, UM, I ASK 'EM TO DO SOME BRICK IN WINDOWS OR SOMETHING TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE FRONTAGE. UM, CITY COUNCIL HAD THEM ADD THIS SORT OF SECOND LAYER, UM, TO THE BUILDING TO ADD SOME HEIGHT TO WHAT WE CALL THE FRONT. THEIR BUILDING ORIGINALLY HAD HEIGHT AT THE, AT WHAT THEY CALL THE FRONT, WHICH WAS OUR REAR. SO THEY TWEAKED IT AND ADDED IT ON BOTH SIDES. AND I THINK THE BUILDING LOOKS PRETTY, LOOKS PRETTY PROPORTIONAL AT THAT POINT. THIS IS, UM, THE DRIVEWAY SIDE ENTRANCE, AND THEN THIS IS THE DRIVE THROUGH SIDE. ENTRANCE FRONT IS HERE AND THEN FRONT IS HERE. WELL, THE, THE, WHAT YOU'RE CALLING THE FRONT, THAT FACES STREET FRONT, THE SHORT END, THAT ONE SHORT FACES KIMBALL BRIDGE, AND THERE'S A LONG END THAT FACES OLD MILTON. SO I GOT THE ORIENTATION RIGHT NOW. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. YEAH, LET ME GO TO, UM, LEMME GO BACK TO THE MAP. SO, SO THE SIDE WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE SEVEN BRUCE SIGN IS HERE, RIGHT? AND IT FACES STATE BRIDGE, SO THAT'S STATE BRIDGE AND THAT'S THE OTHER ONE. THERE'S A, THERE'S ANOTHER BUILDING OVER HERE AND THEN KIMBALL BRIDGE. MM-HMM . OH, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE, THE SIDE ROAD OVER THERE. AND THIS IS A LITTLE SIDE ROAD BACK HERE THAT CONNECT CONNECTS THE TWO. YEP. YEP. OKAY. GOT IT. THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THE DRIVEWAY SIDE. SO PROBABLY WHAT WE WOULD MOST CONSIDER THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT VIEW. UM, AND SO THEY, THEY, UM, ADDED SOME BRICKTON EL OR FEATURES ON THIS ELEVATION AS WELL, JUST TO HELP BREAK UP THAT, THAT SEA OF, OF BRICK ON THAT SIDE. SO THIS IS STATE BRIDGE ROAD SIDE HERE. AND THEN ON THIS PICTURE IT WOULD BE THIS SIDE MATERIALS I THINK DID A [00:10:01] VERY RESPECTABLE JOB PICKING MATERIALS AND COLORS. THIS IS PHOTOMETRICS. ALL LOOKS GOOD. THEN WE'VE GOT SOME . SO AGAIN, IN, UM, STATE BRIDGE ROAD IS IN THE REAR HERE. THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY COMING IN. SO YOU'LL CIRCLE IN FRONT, GO AROUND THIS ISLAND, COME BACK THIS DIRECTION. IS THE DRIVEWAY COMING IN STATE? THIS CAR WOULD BE ON STATE BRIDGE ROAD. AND ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE REAL QUICK? UM, AND THIS APPLICATION DOES HAVE SOME COUNCIL CONDITIONS THAT WE, IT DOES HAVE SOME COUNCIL CONDITIONS. I PUT THEM IN YOUR PACKETS, UM, AT THE END FOR YES, FOR ALL OF THEM. SO SOMETHING I TRIED, LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LET ME KNOW NOW, BUT AT SOME POINT EMAIL ME OR LET ME KNOW. UM, I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF AN EASIER WAY TO PUT THE CONDITIONS IN RATHER THAN JUST PUT 'EM IN THE PACKET. THAT WAY YOU COULD REFERENCE BACK TO THEM RATHER THAN SCROLL THROUGH THE WHOLE PACKET TO TRY TO FIND 'EM IN EACH ONE. THEY WOULD BE IN ONE, ONE SPOT, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE HOW THEY LOOKED LIKE AN AGENDA ITEM, SO I GOTTA, I GOTTA FIGURE THAT PART OUT. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON, WE'LL GET IT BETTER. WELL, THIS IS GOOD, I THINK. THANKS FOR INCLUDING THEM. YEAH. WHEREVER, WHEREVER THEY LAND. SO THANKS FOR, FOR DOING THAT. OKAY. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT LANDSCAPING, LOOKING AT SITE PLAN LANDSCAPE AND EXTERIOR ELEVATION. EXTERIOR ELEVATION MATERIAL. SO NO, NO SIGNAGE. NO SIGNAGE. ALRIGHT. AND THERE YOU SEE THE BEAUTIFUL BILLBOARD . WELL, IF I GET MY DRUTHERS, I THINK THE, UH, THE OLD GEORGIA CLINIC BUILDING WAS ACTUALLY A FULTON COUNTY. IT WAS BUILDING THAT WE, WE ANNEXED IN OR YEP. ANN ANNEXED THAT WHOLE CORNER OUT THERE AND YEAH, I THINK IN, BOY, YOU'RE STRETCHING IT BACK THERE. I THINK 2007 MAYBE SIX SEVEN, SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA. YEAH, IT WAS LIKE YESTERDAY, . IT WAS OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, 55 MILTON AVENUE. UM, MADEWELL CONSTRUCTION 2 55. IF YOU'RE GOING OUT MILTON AVENUE, YOU GO PAST THE HIGH SCHOOL, THE NEW SCHOOL, AND THEN IT, AS YOU HIT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL, IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT LITTLE HOUSE RIGHT THERE. UM, CAN'T THINK OF THE, I THINK WE HAVE A BOARD MEMBER THAT MAYBE LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THAT BUILT A NEW HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET. I CAN'T REMEMBER. BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THIS, THIS HOUSE, UM, DID GO THROUGH, UM, AND, AND GOT TWEAKED AND, AND CONDITIONS FIXED FROM THE DOWNTOWN CONSULTANT. SO THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN ROLLED IN. AND THESE ELEVATIONS REFLECT ALL THOSE CHANGES. IT'S, IT'S A TINY HOUSE , I BELIEVE THERE'S A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT FALL OFF OF THAT PROPERTY. SO I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A RETAINING WALL THAT WOULD FACE THE WHOLE FOOTBALL STADIUM MAYBE. AND TRACK POTENTIALLY EVEN THE BASEBALL FIELD BACK THERE. WHEREVER THERE'S, THERE'S, IT DOES DROP OFF. LOTS OF STUFF BACK THERE. BUT YEAH. AND THEN MATERIAL SHEET, PROBABLY THE FANCIEST MATERIAL SHEET WE'VE SEEN. IN FACT, I, I USED IT, UM, TORI AS, AS AN EXAMPLE FOR A COUPLE OTHER FOLKS THAT, UM, JUST SUBMITTED LAST MONTH. THEY SAID, HOW DO I, HOW DO I PUT THAT TOGETHER? I SAID, LIKE, THIS LIKE THAT. [00:15:04] VERY ELEGANT. LIKE, ALRIGHT. AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, I'M SORRY, GOING BACK TO THAT HOME. YEP. SO WE'RE, THERE ARE COUNCIL CONDITIONS, UH, ON THIS APPLICATION AS WELL. UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT LANDSCAPING. I DON'T, I THINK WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT ELEVATORS AND MATERIALS. THERE'S A LANDSCAPING STRIP CONDITION LANDSCAPE STRIP. YES. AND IT SENDS FENCES AND WALLS. FENCES AND WALLS. YEAH. SO THERE IS SOME, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME LANDSCAPING OR SITE ITEMS. I DON'T SEE, I DIDN'T, I MISSED THAT AND I DIDN'T GET LANDSCAPING FROM THEM. SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF WE CAN TALK THROUGH THAT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO, UM, TWO HOUSES ON MARIETTA STREET WAS ONE LOT SPLIT 2 1 96 AND TWO SOMETHING. 2 0 4. 2 0 4, A COUPLE MORE TINY HOMES. UM, AGAIN, AND THESE ALSO HAD CONDITIONS THAT WENT TO, OR TWEAKS THAT WENT TO THE DOWNTOWN ARCHITECT CONSULTANT AND, UM, CAME BACK BEFORE THEY WENT TO COUNCIL. OH, SO THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT LOOKED AT THESE BEFORE THEY WENT TO CITY COUNCIL? YEAH, WE SEND 'EM TO THEM BEFORE. THAT'S, YEP. OKAY. AND SO USUALLY IF YOU SEE A COUNCIL CONDITION THAT'S, IT'LL USUALLY SAY LIKE, THAT REFLECTS THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONSULTANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE 99% OF THE TIME ALREADY DONE IN THE ELEVATIONS. WHEN, WHEN, UH, COUNSEL GETS 'EM, THEY MAY TWEAK A COUPLE MORE, BUT USUALLY THEY'RE ALREADY DONE. WHEN, WHEN THEY GET THE ELEVATIONS, DOES THAT ROOF, UH, OVERHANG THE PROPERTY LINE ON THAT ROOF CLAIM? IF YOU GO BACK ONE MORE, ONE MORE WELL, IT WOULD APPEAR SO THEY BOUGHT THE . UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. I I WOULD, I WOULD SUSPECT THAT, THAT THEY WILL LOOK AT THAT IN THE LDP, ALTHOUGH EVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT DON'T HAVE A SETBACK. THEY DON'T HAVE TO MEET THE SETBACK. SO THEY COULD, THEY COULD COME RIGHT TO PROPERTY LINE. UM, BUT IN THIS PICTURE IT WOULD APPEAR THAT IT'S OVER OBJECT TO THAT DIMENSION. YEAH. AND THESE TWO ARE GONNA BE VISIBLE. THE BACKSIDE'S GONNA BE VISIBLE FROM T MILTON. 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT MUCH BASE BETWEEN THOSE ROADS. RIGHT? YEAH. THESE TWO WILL BE, WILL BE POTENTIALLY VISIBLE FROM OLD MILTON. I, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THAT REPRESENTS. I THINK THE DIMENSIONS JUST OF THE OVERHANG, IT DOESN'T RELATE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. AND MAYBE IT'S JUST A GRAPHIC THING. YEAH. I WILL, UM, MAKE A NOTE FOR THE LP TEAM ABOUT THAT, BUT YEAH. OKAY. SOME PERSPECTIVES. SO AGAIN, FOR THIS APPLICATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME LANDSCAPING ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS BASED ON COUNCIL CONDITIONS. I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE. YES. AND I THINK THEY'RE WITH THE STREETSCAPE, ESSENTIALLY. YES. LOOKS LIKE THERE IS. YEAH. THAT FRANK, THERE'S A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF WHERE IT SITS VERSUS OLD MILTON PARKWAY. YEAH, RIGHT. MARIETTA STREET. OKAY. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, SAME THING HAS THE REAR FACES. UM, OLD MILTON [00:20:26] LOOKS LIKE THIS ONE HAD A SANITARY SEWER RIGHT THROUGH IT. AND I THINK THIS ONE HAS THE SAME STREET SCAPE CONDITION. I THINK THEIR CONDITIONS WERE FOR BOTH PROPERTIES, I BELIEVE. OKAY. WELL ALONG OLD MILTON PARKWAY. YEP. OKAY. UM, JUST CURIOUS, THERE'S ANOTHER HOME THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW TO THE EAST OF THESE TWO. YES. UM, DID THAT, DID THAT APPLICATION HAVE SOME LANDSCAPING CONDITIONS OR ARE THEY DOING SOME I I DON'T KNOW THAT TO, UM, WHILE YOU GUYS GOING THROUGH, I CAN TRY TO SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT ON THEIR LDP PLAN. OKAY. TO SEE WHAT MIGHT BE BACK THERE. UM, THAT ONE DIDN'T GET THE COUNCIL CONDITION. THESE AREN'T TECHNICALLY IN THE AREA THAT REQUIRES YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY GOT THE CONDITION, UM, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE HERE. UM, AND, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T SEE THE NEXT DOOR ONE. SO, BUT I'LL TRY TO LOOK THAT ONE UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, AND SEE WHAT'S BACK THERE. 'CAUSE THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME CONSISTENCY. YEAH. MAKES SENSE TO, TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. OKAY. AND THAT'S THAT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THEM REAL QUICK? NO, I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. AND YOU'VE GOT, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT ALL THE COUNCIL CONDITIONS IN THE BACK OF OUR PACKET THERE, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. OKAY. WITH THAT, LET'S, UM, LET'S ADJOURN OUR WORKSHOP SESSION. I'M SORRY, DID SOMEBODY SAY SOMETHING? OH, LET'S ADJOURN OUR WORKSHOP SESSION, GET OUR COFFEE CUPS FILLED AND GET BACK HERE FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'LL START AT NINE O'CLOCK. THANK YOU. OKAY. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. [3. CALL TO ORDER] WELCOME TO THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA'S DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PUBLIC HEARING. TODAY IS FRIDAY, AUGUST 21ST, 2026. GLAD TO SEE EVERYONE HERE THIS MORNING. UM, A GENTLE REMINDER JUST TO TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES OR YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES PLEASE. OR PUT 'EM IN THE, UH, SILENT MODE. UM, FIRST ORDER BUSINESS IS, UH, ROLL CALL. SO, UM, LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY'S HERE. AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING. UM, LET'S SEE. LET'S DO THIS. LET'S HAVE, UH, LET'S STAND THE FACE OF FLAG. WE'LL HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE THROUGH THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THROUGH THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS NATION, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, [6. ITEMS FROM STAFF] NEXT UP, ANY ITEMS FROM STAFF THIS MORNING? ANYTHING FROM STAFF? SO WE DO HAVE SOME BIRTHDAYS THIS MONTH. OH WE DO. OKAY. HAPPY TO REMEMBER THAT. 'CAUSE I'M ONE OF THEM . UH, ELLIE STARTED US OUT I THINK A WEEK AND A HALF AGO. 14TH. WOW. AND THEN, UH, MR. CORCO AND I, UM, EARLIER THIS WEEK, SO VERY GOOD. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. HAPPY BIRTHDAY BOTH OF YOU GUYS. I FORGOT TO BRING THE CAKES OR THE CUPCAKES OR SOMETHING. YEAH. SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO EVERYONE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. UM, AMMA OPENS NEXT WEEK. YES. THEY'RE HAVING SOFT OPENING. YES. MONDAY, TUESDAY IS SOFT OPENING FOR THEM, SO YES. SO WE'RE EXCITED FOR THAT. UM, THERE'S ANOTHER NEW SPOT IN DOWNTOWN HERE. UM, GROVE BARREL AND GROVE PROVISIONS. OKAY. UM, IT'S ACROSS FROM THE PARK RIGHT OVER HERE. UM, LITTLE RETAILER, UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOME, UM, I THINK HE FEATURES ARGENTINA WINES AND, UM, OLIVES AND PICKLED THINGS. AND IT'S A REALLY NICE, NICE SHOP. HE'S GOT A LOT OF, UM, EXPERIENCE IN THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY AND, UM, DECIDED THIS WAS, WAS HIS, UH, LAST HOME RUN. SO. VERY GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALRIGHT. UM, [7. ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS] ANY ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS THIS MORNING? WELL, I WILL SAY THIS, WE WANNA WELCOME OUR NEWEST BOARD MEMBER THIS MORNING. MARTIN RINKA, THANK YOU FOR, FOR JOINING US. THANK YOU. UH, MARTINEZ. KATIE REEVES IS APPOINTEE. UM, SHE PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO SHE HAS SOME, SOME EXPERIENCE, SOME PUBLIC [00:25:01] SERVICE EXPERIENCE. HOW MANY YEARS DID YOU HAVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MARTIN? SIX. SIX YEARS. VERY GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND UH, I DO ALSO HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT SHE'S A REALLY GOOD BAKER. UHOH, , UHOH. SO MAYBE AROUND CHRISTMAS TIME WE MIGHT, UH OKAY. NO PRESSURE. , GET HER BAKING SKILLS GOING AGAIN. SO, UM, AN INITIATION FEE RIGHT THERE IS YEAH. AND THAT, THAT CAN COME TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR. WOULD THAT EXPLAIN? IT COULD . WELL, YOU KNOW, I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD DO THAT. MM-HMM . ANYWAY. SO WELCOME TO THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR JOINING US. I KNOW, UM, SHE'S A VERY PROUD MOM OF A COUPLE CHILDREN. ONE IS AT THE NAVAL ACADEMY AND THE OTHER IS GETTING READY TO GRADUATE FROM ALPHARETTA HIGH SCHOOL. SO SOME VERY EXCITING TIMES FOR MARTINE. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, ANY OTHER BIRTHDAYS OR ANNIVERSARIES BRETT MISSED THIS MORNING? SO, ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, LET'S GET ON TO [1. MEETING ANNOUNCEMENTS] OUR, UM, MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH. AND THOSE ARE OUR JULY 17TH, 2026 DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES. I ASSUME EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE. UM, AND WE'LL NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES, PLEASE. FROM SOMEONE. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 17TH, 2026 MEETING AS, UH, SUBMITTED. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. ROWAN, A SECOND BY MR. OWENS. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION? ELLIE, I'LL BE ABSTAINING FROM THIS VOTE. ME TOO. OKAY. UH, WITH THAT, UM, I'LL CALL FOR A, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON APPROVING THE CITY OF APPARATUS DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES OF JULY 17TH, 2026. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. ALL OPPOSED, NO OPPOSITION. AND TWO ABSTENTIONS. SO, UH, THE MEETING MINUTES ARE APPROVED. FIVE, LET'S SEE, LET ME WRITE THIS DOWN. 5 0 2. OKAY. [1. DRB260020     Crust Pizza     142 South Main St review signage] ALL RIGHT. OUR FIRST APPLICANT AND APPLICATION THIS MORNING IS CRUST PIZZA. ARE YOU HERE? COME ON UP OR COME ON DOWN PLEASE. UM, IF YOU WILL, MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. UM, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET TODAY, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. OKAY. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS, UH, KEVIN GLOVER. I'M WITH SA RAMA. I'M HERE REPRESENTING CRUST, UH, OWNED BY DARREN HENDERSON. UH, CRUST, UH, PASTA AND PIZZA. UM, THEY ARE CURRENTLY, UM, LOCATED ON SOUTH MAIN STREET AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO A NEW BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, UH, TO 1 42 SOUTH MAIN STREET, TAKEN OVER THE OLD OFF-LEASH BUILDING. UM, CAN EVERYBODY SEE MY SCREEN HERE? ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS KIND OF THE OVERVIEW OF THE, OF THE CURRENT PROPERTY. SO YOU CAN SEE CRUST IS CURRENTLY OVER ON THE TOP LEFT. SO THEY WANNA MOVE, UH, ACROSS THE STREET OVER TO THIS OLD OFF LEASH BUILDING, UH, WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO REDO THE SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING. UM, SAMAA DOES NOT HAVE ANY, UM, SCOPES OR PLANS TO REDO ANY OF THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE BUILDING. WE'RE JUST REPLACING THE SIGNAGE, UM, REMOVING WHAT'S, UH, CURRENTLY THERE AND, UH, JUST KIND OF UPDATING IT WITH THE NEW CRUST LOGO. UM, SO LET'S SEE HERE. SO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE BUILDING. SO THIS IS THE, UH, MAIN ENTRANCE, UH, WHICH IS ALSO ALONG MAIN STREET. UH, SO THEY DO HAVE ONE, UM, WALL SIGN HERE CURRENTLY, SO WE WANT TO TAKE THAT OFF. UH, THIS SIGN IS CURRENTLY OVER THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE, SO THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD ENTER THE, UM, THE RESTAURANT. UM, AND THEN OVER HERE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THIS ONE HERE FACES OLD MILTON PARKWAY. IT ALSO FACES THE INTERSECTION OF OLD MILTON AND MAIN STREET. SO IT'S GOT VERY HIGH VISIBILITY THERE AS WELL. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THAT SIGN AND REPLACE IT AS WELL. UM, APOLOGIES ON THE, UH, BACK OF THE BUILDING. SO THIS BACK OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF FACES OLD MILTON, BUT IT ALSO KIND OF FACES THE PUBLIC'S PARKING LOT AS WELL. UM, SO THERE'S CURRENTLY NO SIGNAGE ON THIS ELEVATION. AND THEN THERE ARE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS. ONE LOCATED AT EACH ENTRANCE. SO THERE'S AN ENTRANCE OFF OLD MILTON ONTO THIS PROPERTY AND THERE'S AN ENTRANCE OFF OF MAIN STREET ONTO THIS PROPERTY. UM, SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, UM, IS REPLACE IT WITH THEIR FULL LOGO ON THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE SIGN. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO DO [00:30:01] A, UH, BACK LIT, UH, CHANNEL LETTER SIGN, UH, THAT SAYS CRUST. AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UM, SOME ELEMENTS ABOVE AND BELOW THAT ARE NOT, THAT ARE NOT LIGHTED. SO ONLY THE WORD CRUST HERE IS A HALO LIT, UM, CHANNEL LETTER SIGN. AND THEN IT HAS SOME, UH, DIMENSIONAL NON LIT ELEMENTS ABOVE AND BELOW. BUT YOU COULD SEE THERE IS CURRENTLY SOME EXISTING GOOSENECK DOWN LIGHTING. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT, UM, THAT DOWN LIGHTING THERE. AND THAT WOULD ALLOW THE SIGN TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SOME MULTIPLE LIGHTING ELEMENTS. YOU KNOW, SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE, THE MAIN WORD CRUST, UM, HAVE ITS OWN LIGHTING. SO IT WOULD GIVE A NICE LITTLE HALO GLOW AROUND THE LETTERS. AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE THE DOWN LIGHTING TO KIND OF WASH OUT THE, UM, OTHER ELEMENTS, UM, THEIR ESTABLISHED DATE, THEIR, UH, PASTA AND PIZZA, UM, TO KIND OF GIVE IT JUST KIND OF A UNIQUE, UH, LIGHTING ELEMENT WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE, UH, MULTIPLE WAYS TO SHOW THE SIGN AND JUST KIND OF SHOWS THAT THERE'S SOME NON LIT ELEMENTS, UM, SOME GOOSENECK DOWN LIGHTING. AND THEN YOU DO HAVE SOME, UH, INTERNALLY LIT, UM, ELEMENTS AS WELL. KEVIN, HOW DOES THAT INTEGRATE IN WITH THE EXISTING OFF LEASH SIGN AND THAT, ESPECIALLY THAT WOOD BACKING THAT'S THERE, I MEAN, IS THERE PARTS FROM THE OLD SIGN THAT'S COMING OFF THAT LEAVES HOLES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR, YEAH, IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU ARE CORRECT. UM, SO THAT OFF LEASH SIGN, YOU KNOW, TO ME IS VERY UNDERSTATED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BUILDING. UM, SO WHEN YOU REMOVE THAT, SO YOU CURRENTLY, THERE'S NOT A LOT TO THAT SIGN. SO WHEN YOU REMOVE THAT, UM, THERE WILL BE SOME HOLES LEFT IN THAT, UH, COMPOSITE WOOD AREA. SO WE, WE WOULD FILL THOSE HOLES THOUGH. WE WOULD FILL 'EM, WE WOULD TRY TO MATCH, UM, SOME CAULK TO BE CLOSE TO THAT COLOR OF THE, OF THE, UM, COMPOSITE WOOD. AND THEN WHEN WE PUT THE NEW SIGNAGE UP, YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T, YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T SEE ANY OF THE, ANY OF THE, UH, OLD ATTACHMENT POINTS FROM THE OLD SIGN, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF DISAPPEAR. SO. SO YOU THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MATCH THE EXISTING, THAT EXISTING KINDA WOOD BACKGROUND WITH YOUR PATCHING? IT'LL BE CLOSE. YEAH. SO WE'LL DO LIKE A COLORED CAULK AND THE, SO THE HOLES THAT ARE LEFT THAT WOULD BE LEFT IN THE BUILDING, THEY SHOULDN'T BE VERY BIG. I WOULD SAY MAYBE A QUARTER INCH DIAMETER HOLE. UM, THERE'LL BE SEVERAL OF THEM THOUGH 'CAUSE IF YOU KIND OF GO AROUND, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE SEVERAL AROUND THE CIRCLE AROUND IT, IT, WHICH I THINK IS SUPPOSED TO BE A LEASH. UM, AND THEN THERE'LL BE SEVERAL BEHIND EACH INDIVIDUAL LETTER AS AS WELL. BUT THERE, BUT THERE'LL BE SMALL HOLES. AND THEN BEING ON THAT COMPOSITE WOOD, THEY SHOULD BE NICE AND CLEAN, CLEAN HOLES. SO THEY SHOULD BE EASIER TO, TO KIND OF FILL OKAY. YOU KNOW, JUST, YEAH. YOU JUST DON'T WANT SEE THAT MM-HMM . DATED IMAGE OF A KIND OF A CIRCLE. OF COURSE. YEAH. IN MY PAST EXPERIENCE WITH COMPOSITE WOOD, IT'S REALLY, REALLY HARD TO MATCH IT. UM, YOU GUYS MIGHT CONSIDER, UH, YOU KNOW, DOING SOME KIND OF OVERLAY OVER THAT CENTER PANEL TO, BECAUSE IT'S, I'M SURE THAT THE OWNER'S NOT GONNA BE HAPPY, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A BUNCH OF LIKE SHOTGUN HOLES ALL OVER OH, SURE. YEAH. SIGN. SO SOMETHING TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER. 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD TO MATCH THAT. YEAH. UH, COMPOSITE WOULD YOU, ESPECIALLY WITH CAULK, BUT EVEN IF YOU HAD A PAINT OR SOME KIND OF ARTIST FINISH YEAH. IN THE COMPOSITE, YOU CAN'T STAIN IT OR PAINT IT OR ANYTHING. RIGHT. NO. AND, AND WHAT'S WHAT'S EVEN MORE CHALLENGING IS, IS THAT THERE'S VARIATION OF COLOR WITHIN THE BOARDS. SO IT'S A VERY IMPERFECT SCIENCE. SO IS DOES THE, THE NEW SIGN SPAN JUST BETWEEN THOSE VERTICAL UH, PIECES? IT, IT DOES, YES. LEMME SEE IF I CAN PULL THAT UP FOR YOU. THAT MIGHT BE GOOD. GREAT SPOT. SO IT DOES, IT DOES SPAN IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO VERTICAL JOINTS. HMM. YEAH. YOU CAN SEE, I THINK YOU CAN SEE THE COLOR VARIATION THERE IN THE PANELS BETWEEN YEP. EACH OF THE, EACH OF THE BOARDS. AGAIN, THIS IS A FAIRLY NEW BUILDING. IT MAY BE ABLE TO MAC JUST GET NEW PANELS TO REPLACE ANY PIECES THAT AREN'T COVERED. YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD, THAT CIRCLE THAT GOES AROUND IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY ENCOMPASS EVERY PIECE. I WOULD THINK AND THAT MIGHT BE THE EASIEST SOLUTION, MIGHT BE THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT VERSUS DOING IT SOME KIND OF OVERLAY UNLESS THERE WAS A WHOLE SIGN BACKING. NOT SURE. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ON THIS ONE. THE CURRENT SIGNS THAT ARE THERE, UM, [00:35:02] ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SIGNIFICANCE TO THEM. NO, I AGREE. YOUR, YOUR SIGN CERTAINLY LOOKS, UH, STANDS OUT MUCH MORE THAN THE AWFULLY SIGNS DO. SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY A GOOD THING. WE'RE JUST CONCERNED THAT THE, UH, THE REMNANTS OF WHAT'S LEFT FROM THAT PREVIOUS SIGN IS GONNA REMAIN THERE AND NOT BE COVERED UP. OR IS THE OWNER AWARE OF THESE EXISTING HOLES THAT ARE ALL OVER? YES, DARREN, DARREN IS AWARE. YES. AND HE'S OKAY WITH JUST, I MEAN, I, I TOLD HIM WHAT I SAID HERE AS WELL, THAT WE WOULD, THAT WE WOULD TRY TO FILL THOSE HOLES AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY ATTACHMENT POINTS? I DON'T THE RING. OKAY. I'M NOT, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WITH THE, THE NUMBER OF LETTERS AND STUFF. UH, I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL OVER THE PLACE. YEAH. BUT THE RING ON THE OUTSIDE IS THE PREDOMINANT ONE BECAUSE THE WORD CROSS IS GONNA COME GET PORTION THAT UP THE RING IS GONNA BE THE ONE OUT THE MOST. ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE FILLING IT AND IT'S NOT MASHED, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A COOKIE. MM-HMM . THE OTHER THING IS WHEN AT NIGHT WHEN IT'S LIT, THE LIGHT WASHING ACROSS THE FACE IS GONNA MAKE ANY IMPERFECTIONS EVEN MORE NOTICEABLE. IT SEEMS LIKE THE EASIEST SOLUTION WOULD BE TO REPLACE THE, JUST FROM THE, UH, THE WHERE THE, THE JOINT, UH, COVER TRIM PIECES ARE TO. OTHERWISE I DON'T THINK ANYONE SPECIFICALLY THE OWNER WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THE END RESULTS. OKAY. YEAH. DO YOU GUYS DOES YEAH, I I I THINK MINIMALLY WE'D HAVE THE CONDITION AND ON THE HOLES FROM THE OLD SIGN WILL NOT BE VISIBLE. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THE STRONG RECOMMENDATION. RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW, SO THEN YOU TAKE THE CHANCE IF YOU TRY TO PATCH 'EM AND THEN BRETT GOES OUT AND LOOKS AT IT AND GOES, I CAN STILL SEE 'EM. YEP. SO, OKAY. ONE BONUS THAT, UM, I MEAN KEVIN SAID THEY REALLY HAVEN'T EVALUATED IT YET, BUT THAT WAS, UM, A REALLY THIN PIECE OF METAL WAS UN ILLUMINATED. SO THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THERE'S POTENTIALLY FOUR HOLES HOLDING THAT WHOLE RING. OH, OKAY. POTENTIALLY, I MEAN THERE COULD BE MORE, BUT, BUT SINCE IT WAS SO SMALL AND SO MINIMAL IT, IT COULD HAVE MAYBE JUST GOT FOUR CORNERS AND, AND BEEN DONE AND, AND THAT MAY I, I WOULD PREFER IF YOU FALTERED MAYBE TO THE, LET'S, LET'S LET 'EM TRY IT AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND IF NOT, THEN THEY NEED TO REPLACE IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. UM, IF, IF YOU GET TO THAT POINT ON YOUR, ON A MOTION RIGHT. WOULD YOU FEEL, UH, BRETT, WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE IN BEING THE JUDGE OF WHETHER THE EXISTING HOLES ARE PATCHED? YEAH. APPROPRIATELY. I CAN DO THAT AND THEY CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ONCE THEY REMOVE THE EXISTING SIGN AND, AND DO SOME PATCH IT BEFORE THEY PUT THE SIGN UP. CORRECT. SEE WHAT WE SEE, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND, AND CERTAINLY YOU'LL HAVE THE OTHER ISSUE ON THE OTHER SIGN AS WELL MM-HMM . UM, 'CAUSE IT'S GOT THE SAME, SAME BACKGROUND MATERIAL, SO, OKAY. CORRECT. YEP. OKAY. I CERTAINLY LIKE THE SIGN A LOT BETTER THAN THE PRIOR ONE, SO IMPROVEMENT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE BUILDING SIGNAGE FOR KEVIN THIS MORNING? OKAY, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT YOUR MINOR SIGNS. OKAY, WELL I HAVE A COUPLE MORE, UH, BUILDING LOCATIONS AS WELL. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD PLEASE. OKAY, SO, SO THIS ONE HERE WAS THE, THE MAIN STREET LOCATION, THE MAIN ENTRANCE. AND THEN THEY DID HAVE THAT ONE, UM, ON THE SIDE, THE OLD MILTON ONE AS WELL. UM, SORRY, LET ME GET TO THAT. THIS ONE HERE ON THE SIDE. UM, SAME THING. WE WOULD REMOVE THE OFF LEASH LETTERS. UM, THAT ONE DOES NOT HAVE A RING AROUND IT, IT JUST SAYS OFF LEASH. SO THIS WORD CRUST, UM, SHOULD DEFINITELY COVER, UM, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE. UM, AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, UM, ADDING A SIGN, SORRY, IT'S GOING TOO FAST TO THE, UM, TO THE BACK ELEVATION AS WELL. UM, JUST TO KIND GIVE HIM A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, OLD MILTON PARKWAY VISIBILITY COMING UP, YOU KNOW, GOING TOWARDS, UH, DOWNTOWN. UM, I ORIGINALLY HAD, EXCUSE ME, I ORIGINALLY HAD THE SIGN OVER INTO THE LEFT AREA WHERE IT WAS ON THE, THE WHITE STUCCO AREA. UM, BUT AS I DID KIND OF A, A VISIBILITY DRIVE BY DRIVE THROUGH, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GAS STATION THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY ON OLD MILTON AND THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF TREE COVERAGE, UM, BETWEEN THAT GAS STATION AND THIS BUILDING. SO AS I WAS DRIVING DOWN OLD MILTON, THERE'S A SMALL OPENING, EXCUSE ME, A SMALL OPENING IN TREES AND IN THAT SMALL OPENING, THIS WOOD PANEL IS VISIBLE AND IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S VISIBLE ON THE WHOLE [00:40:01] THING. SO I MOVED THE SIGN FROM THE WHITE AREA TO THE WOOD PANELING. I MADE IT SMALLER TO FIT INTO THAT AREA 'CAUSE THAT AREA'S NOT AS BIG AS THE MAIN ENTRANCE. UM, BUT KIND OF KEPT THE DESIGN SIMILAR TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE ENTRANCE DESIGN. UM, BUT ON THIS ONE, SINCE IT'S SUCH A SECONDARY SIGN, WE ARE PROPOSING THIS ONE TO BE NON, NON LIGHTED AND JUST HAVE THE GOOSENECK LIGHTING LIKE THIS SIGN. UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA GIVE THE SIGN'S, GONNA GIVE DARREN A LOT OF VISIBILITY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD HELP AS YOU'RE COMING UP OLD MILTON TO SEE THAT THE RESTAURANT IS HERE AND THEN AS YOU GET TO THE ENTRANCE, UH, TO KIND OF VERIFY LIKE, HEY, I'M IN, EXCUSE ME, I'M IN THE RIGHT SPOT. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE DID NON NON ILLUMINATED HERE. UM, OKAY. UM, BRETT, ARE THERE THREE ROAD FRONTAGES FOR THIS APPLICATION? ? I, I, UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THAT FIT IN. SO I'LL HAVE TO, I'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN DO. I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THERE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE DRIVE THROUGH. IS THERE, UM, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS ONE THOUGH, KEVIN. OKAY. OKAY. UM, WE POTENTIALLY COULD JUST DO CURBSIDE PICKUP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT'S MORE DIRECTIONAL. WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST ON SOME BUILDINGS, BUT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO BRAND IT. OKAY. UM, BUT I'LL, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN FIT IN. OKAY. SO FOR, FOR WHAT'S GONNA BE THE DRIVE THROUGH, CAN THEY JUST PUT THE AS DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE CURBSIDE UP OR YEAH, WE, WE OR WOULD IT HAVE TO BE, YOU CAN'T SAY CROSSED OBVIOUSLY. RIGHT. WE'VE CONSIDERED OTHER THINGS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE SPECIFIC ONE THAT I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT WAS THE KIA BUILDING OUT ON WEST SIDE. UM, THEY HAD THE KIA IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN THERE'S A SERVICE DRIVE THROUGH AND A SALES DRIVE THROUGH THAT ARE SORT OF BESIDE THEM AND THEY WERE RUNNING INTO TROUBLE WITH PEOPLE GOING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND SO THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, WELL, IF IT IS DIRECTIONAL AND IT WOULD JUST SAY SERVICE AND OKAY. SALES, THAT'S NOT REALLY BRANDING IT. SO THAT'S, WE CAN, WE CAN GO WITH CURBSIDE OR PICKUP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE, JUST NOT CREST. OKAY. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. DO, DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTORS? THAT'S CODE, RIGHT? SO YOU YEAH, THAT'S HANDLE THAT. OKAY. UM, OKAY. SO NOW WE'LL GO TO THE MONUMENT SIGNS. UM, SO THE MONUMENT SIGNS ARE CURRENTLY NON, NON LITT. UM, THEY CURRENTLY I DID NOT SEE ANY UPLIGHTING FOR THEM OUT THERE AS WELL. UM, AND THEY DO JUST HAVE, UM, THE OFF LEASH LOGO ON THEM CURRENTLY. SO WE WOULD, UM, WE WOULD JUST PROPOSE REMOVING THOSE, UH, CURRENT LOGOS, UM, YOU KNOW, FILLING ANY HOLES AND, AND REPLACING WITH UH, NEW NON LITT LETTERS, DIMENSIONAL LETTERS ON THERE. UM, I THINK DARREN WOULD LIKE TO LOOK INTO POSSIBLY ADDING UP LIGHTING TO THE MONUMENT, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. UM, SO I, BUT I DO KNOW IT CURRENTLY DOESN'T HAVE IT. UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THE LOGOS ON, ON THE MONUMENT. OKAY. YOU DO SAY THAT THAT LAST BULLET NOTE THERE FOR MONUMENT SIGNS SAYS LIGHTED BY LANDSCAPE, LANDSCAPE UP LIGHTING. OKAY. I DID INCLUDE THAT 'CAUSE I KNOW DARREN MENTIONED THAT HE MIGHT WANT TO UPLIGHT THEM, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE MY SCOPE. I WOULDN'T BE THE ONE DOING THAT PORTION TALKING. UM, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY COLOR SAMPLES OF THE ACTUAL COLORS FOR THE SIGNS WITH YOU? WE WERE JUST GONNA MATCH, UH, DARREN'S, UH, SO WE'LL CALL IT THE CRUST RED. OKAY. SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, HANDLING THE HOLES AGAIN WOULD APPLY TO THIS SIGN . 'CAUSE I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN THIS LOCATION YOU ACTUALLY HAVE STREET TRAFFIC OR PEOPLE WALKING SO THEY'RE AT EYE LEVEL WITH POTENTIALLY FILLED HOLES. SO IT'S WAY MORE VISIBLE, MAYBE OUTLET OR MAYBE NOT, BUT UM, DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE REVIEW OR CONDITION WHEREVER WE'RE PUTTING THAT. I AGREE. THOSE WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE OBVIOUS. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THIS MORNING? ANYTHING ELSE? UM, I WILL ASK, ARE THERE ANY ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION? I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, DOES DARREN PLAN TO INCLUDE ANY OTHER TYPE OF GROUND COVER, UH, LANDSCAPING AROUND [00:45:01] THAT, THE EXISTING SIGNS, DO YOU KNOW? OR, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I, I WOULD IMAGINE ESPECIALLY THE ONE ON, YEAH, IT LOOKS PRETTY. YEAH. YES, YES. MM-HMM . OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FOR? SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. SO I'M NEW, SO YEAH, SORRY IF THIS IS A NO PROBLEM. INCORRECT QUESTION, BUT, SO GRANTED THIS IS THE SIGN APPLICATION AND YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING TO THE PROPERTY AS FAR AS THE DRIVE THROUGH MOVING TREES AND BUSHES AND ASTROTURF AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IS THERE ANOTHER PLAN COMING FORWARD WITH THAT TO REVIEW OR, UM, I DON'T KNOW YET. POTENTIALLY STAFF WILL EVALUATE WHAT, WHAT THE FULL PLAN IS OF HOW, WHAT'S MOVING WHERE AND IF IT NEEDS SOMETHING IN GENERAL REMOVAL AS LONG AS IT WOULD MEET THE CODE. SO WHAT DARREN'S DOING IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE MORE THAN WHAT IS THERE, OR IT MAY JUST BE SUPPLEMENTING SORT OF WHAT'S THERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A SCREENING THAT WAS REQUIRED ALONG THAT FENCE. HE'S GONNA MAKE A PARKING LOT NOW HE'S, NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EVALUATE THAT AS THAT TWO FOOTED TIME OF PLANTING HEDGE THAT'S REQUIRED FOR, FOR THAT. SO IF JUST GONNA SUPPLEMENT WHAT'S POTENTIALLY THERE, THEN I WOULD SAY NO WE WOULDN'T BRING THAT BACK. IF HE'S GOING TO COMPLETELY CHANGE THE SPECIES, THEN YES THAT SHOULD WILL PROBABLY COME BACK TO YOU GUYS TO, TO REEVALUATE THAT. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE THAT ONCE THAT COMES FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. BUT SOUNDS LIKE UH, THIS MORNING WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT SIGNAGE. YEP. THAT'S ALL. WE'RE OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM BOARD MEMBERS? ALRIGHT. DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO CRAFT A MOTION COMMENT? I DID. DID YOU DO THAT? YES. MM-HMM . HOW DO I ALWAYS MISS YOU DOING THAT? I DID PUBLIC COMMENT. I TO SNEAK THAT IN SOMEHOW. YEP. OKAY. ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING DRB 2 6 0 0 2 0 CREST PIZZA 1 42 SOUTH MAIN STREET. MOTION TO APPROVE THE SIGN APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. MOUNTING HOLES FROM THE, THE OLD SIGNS WILL NOT BE VISIBLE WITH FINAL APPROVAL ON THAT BY STAFF. AND THAT APPLIES TO THE BUILDING SIGNS AND THE MONUMENT SIGN. A COLOR SAMPLE OF THE RED WILL BE SUBMITTED FOR STAFF APPROVAL AND MONUMENT SIGN BASE LANDSCAPING WILL BE REVIEWED AND ANY CHANGES APPROVED BY STAFF AND THE MOTION. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SWING, SECOND BY MR. ROWAN. ANY COMMENT OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR? I DO. CAN I ASK PROCEDURALLY, SINCE HE HAS THAT SIGN THAT IS NOT GONNA BE APPROVED AND IT WAS PART OF HIS APPLICATION. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T NEED TO DENY IT 'CAUSE IT'S BEING AS PRESENTED AND THEN GO FORWARD. SO ELLIE, YOU'RE TALKING, YOU'RE REFERENCING THE THIRD SIGN THAT FACES, UM, KIND OF FACES EAST ON OLD MILTON PARKWAY? YEAH, I HAD ASKED THAT AND I GET GENERALLY IF IT'S NOT ALLOWED BY CODE, WE CAN'T APPROVE IT ANYWAY. RIGHT. 'CAUSE THAT'S A CODE ISSUE. SO YEAH, I I THINK THAT, I THINK TECHNICALLY WE'D BE OKAY THERE. YEAH, I BROUGHT UP A DISCUSSION ANYWAY. YEAH, YOU SAID TO REVIEW IT, BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION. YOUR YOU'RE AND WE MAY NEED TO RESTATE IT, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THE, THE INTENT WOULD BE OF THE REPAIR, IF THE REPAIR IS NOT SUFFICIENT THAT WE WOULD GET A REPLACEMENT. THEY'D HAVE TO OF THE WALL MATERIAL. YEAH. I MEAN AT THE END OF THE DAY THE HOLES CAN'T BE VISIBLE. SO IF THE ONLY WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT IS TO REPLACE THE WALL MATERIAL, THEN THAT'S THE SOLUTION I GUESS. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. WANTED TO MAKE THAT YEP. ABUNDANTLY CLEAR? YEP. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THERE BEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. ALL OPPOSED NO OPPOSITION. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. ALRIGHT KEVIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING. APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT ERIC. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. [2. DRB260021     7 Brew Coffee     11378 State Bridge Rd review new construction] OUR NEXT APPLICANT THIS MORNING IS SEVEN BREW COFFEE. ARE YOU HERE? YES YOU ARE. COME ON DOWN OR COME ON UP PLEASE. UM, MY NAME IS WILSON FORTUNE. I WORK MONT BEVERAGE COMPANY. [00:50:09] OH, ALRIGHT. WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU START OVER AGAIN WILSON. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT WAS A PRACTICE FOR YOU. ALRIGHT, THERE YOU GO. UM, MY NAME'S WILSON FORTUNE. I'M WITH PIEDMONT BEVERAGE COMPANY. WE'RE A SEVEN ROOF FRANCHISEE BASED IN SPARTANBURG, SOUTH CAROLINA. ADDRESS, 100 DUNBAR STREET ON THE THIRD FLOOR. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT 11 3 78 STATE BRIDGE ROAD. UH, HAVE WITH ME NEIL KNIP WITH MCMILLAN PISON SMITH. NEIL KNIP WITH MCMILLAN PN SMITH ARCHITECTS. UM, I'M BASED IN THE GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA OFFICE, 400 AUGUSTA STREET AND WILLIAM GREER WITH UH, P DAWSON AT 29 51 FLOWERS ROAD, SOUTH SUITE ONE 19, ATLANTA, GEORGIA. SO DOING CIVIL SITE DESIGN ON BEHALF OF THE TEAM. ALRIGHT, WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING. ALRIGHT, WHY DON'T YOU WALK US THROUGH, UM, OUR APPLICATION OR YOUR APPLICATION THIS MORNING. PLEASE SEE IF THAT'S POPULATING. THERE WE GO. A LITTLE SMALL FOR ME TO SEE HERE. SO APOLOGIZES, I'M ZOOMING IN AND OUT. OKAY. UM, BUT, SO WE WILL BE LOCATED AS BRETT MENTIONED, OFF 11 3 78 STATE BRIDGE ROAD. UM, RIGHT IN ADJACENT TO THE GAS STATION AND ADDITIONAL RETAIL. UM, AND THEN KIND OF A REAR EXIT GOING BACK TOWARDS STATE BRIDGE WAY, UM, PAST THE QUIP QUICK LUBE AREA. UH, AND SO HERE WHAT STREET IS DOWN OR WEST ON SOUTH THERE ON THE BOTTOM. THAT IS STATE BRIDGE ROAD. THAT'S STATE BRIDGE AND STATE BRIDGE WAY, UH, WOULD BE BACK IN THIS DIRECTION WITH KIMMEL BRIDGE FURTHER TO THE EAST. ALRIGHT. THAT PASS THROUGH EXISTS. OKAY. UM, SO IS THE EXISTING BILLBOARD ON SITE, UH, CURRENT GEORGIA CLINIC IS LOCATED HERE? WE WOULD BE MOVING, UH, TOWARDS THE, THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PARCEL. UM, AND HERE IS SOME OF JUST THE EXISTING, UH, LAYOUT WITH ARBORIST AS, AS STANDS SOME OF THE TREES THAT WILL BE REMOVED AS PART OF THE NEW LANDSCAPE PLAN ON THAT. SURE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT? SO THERE'S A COUPLE TREES, THERE ARE SOME TO REMAIN THAT ARE INSIDE OR VERY CLOSE TO THE LOD NUMBER 13. NUMBER 16 ARE THOSE AND THEN ON THE LANDSCAPE KIND THEY STILL REMAIN, UH, IS THAT WHERE YOUR BEARINGS ARE ON THE NORTH PARKING? I BELIEVE THEY DO LET ME. OH YEAH. AND SOME OF THOSE ARE WILL BE ARRAIGNING, UH, BUT THEY'RE INSIDE THE LOD TRACY LOD REAL PAT FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THE ACRONYM STANDS FOR. LOD LIMITED DISTURBANCE. THANK YOU. SO I MENTIONED CIVIL SITE DESIGN OFF ALSO REGARDING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. UM, SO WITH WHERE THAT ONE IS, ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE CRITICAL RE ZONE OVER THE PROPERTY LINE, THE INTENT WOULD BE TO SAVE IT BECAUSE WE WOULD POTENTIALLY DISTURB BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE SHOULD IT NEED TO BE REMOVED. BUT OF COURSE IF THROUGH THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION AND OR REMOVAL OF THIS BUILDING, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ACTUALLY BEHIND THE EXISTING BUILDING RIGHT THERE ON THE PROPERTY LINE. AS FAR AS GRADES ARE CONCERNED, WHILE IT IS WITHIN THE LIMITS, IT'S PRETTY MUCH AT EXISTING GRADE WHERE THAT PARKING LOT ON THE BACK WANTS TO GO. UH, WHERE, WHERE THE UH, WHERE THE PARKING IS TO THE LEFT OF IT IS WHERE OUR NEW CURB LINE IS GOING TO SIT, BOTH LOCATION AND ELEVATION WISE. SO WE'RE REALLY JUST EXTENDING ALONG THE BACK THERE. UM, SO IF THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THAT, IF WE DON'T THINK IT CAN REMAIN, I MEAN I THINK WE'VE BEEN WORKING AS CLOSELY AS WE CAN WITH THE ARBORISTS THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WE WOULD INTEND TO DO SO THROUGH THE LVP AS WELL, BUT THE INTENT IS TO KEEP IT AND TYPICALLY WITH THOSE BORDERLINE TREES, EVEN IF IT IS WITHIN LIMITS. SO HAS DAVID LOOKED AT THIS YET? MAYBE THE ARBORIST HE HAS. OKAY. WELL IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PROPOSING THROUGH, I THINK IS IT A STORM [00:55:01] LINE GOING THROUGH THE ROOT ZONE AND THEN WHAT IS THE HP THOSE WOULD BE SLATED TO BE REMOVED. SO WE'VE GOT SOME DEMOLITION GOING ON WITHIN THE TREE PROTECTION AREA. YEAH, THERE, THERE'S, THERE IS AN EXISTING, UH, LINE THROUGH THAT AREA. AND TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S REALLY A SMALL, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S A, UH, A, A DUMPSTER DRAIN LINE. THAT'S WHERE THE EXISTING, UH, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS AT THE TOP LEFT THERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE GOT MY DEMO PLAN TO REFERENCE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I THINK THE INTENT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN IT'S NOT GONNA GET AN EXCAVATOR BACK THERE AND, AND RIP IT OUT PER SE. IT'S GONNA BE A, A CAREFUL REMOVAL IF IT, IF IT EVEN NEEDS TO BE REMOVED AT ALL. SOMETIMES WITH STUFF LIKE THAT WE'LL LEAVE IT IN PLACE IF IT'S BELOW THE GRADE THAT WE NEED TO TOUCH. ONCE AGAIN, THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY WANTS TO COME OUT THERE FOR SURE IS THE FOUNDATION OF THE BUILDING. OF COURSE IT'S PROBABLY JUST A, DAVID WILL REVIEW IT 'CAUSE IT'S FULLY WITHIN THE STRUCTURAL ROOT PLATE, WHICH YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TOUCH AT ALL. SO, UM, UH, WE'LL SAY THAT, YEAH, DAVID HAS LOOKED AT IT, BUT IT'S NOT BEEN THROUGH LDP REVIEW, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S, YOU KNOW, FULLY GRASPED EVERYTHING OF THAT. SO THAT, THAT SHOULD DEFINITELY COME UP IN THAT, IN THAT P REVIEW. OKAY. UM, SO WHETHER YOU GUYS WANT TO GIVE THOUGHTS OF, OF THAT OKAY. FOR THE, THAT'S THIS DRAWING THAT STOOD OUT SO WE CAN MOVE ON. I DON'T WANT TO POUND ON THE FUEL LONGER. YEAH. VALID CONCERNS. THANK YOU. AND CURRENT PLANTING PLAN AS DEPICTED FIRST SITE WILL AND LANDSCAPE. I, I CAN SPEAK MORE TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IF YOU'D LIKE. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WILLIAM, LET'S DO THIS. LET'S JUST WALK THROUGH THE OVERALL SITE PLAN FOR RIGHT NOW TO KIND OF GET US, MAKE SURE WE'RE ORIENTED AND KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS. PERFECT. SO WILSON, IF YOU'LL JUST KIND OF STICK TO THE, YOU DON'T WANT ME GOING FIRST. I WAS GONNA SAY, DO YOU, DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THE SITE PLAN? UH, SO WHOEVER WANTS TO TAKE THE SITE PLAN FOR, JUST TO GET, AND I'LL AND I'LL SAY WHILE I REPRESENT THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER BY TRADE, SO BEAR WITH ME. THAT'S MORE MY EXPERTISE THAN THE THREE SPECIES AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE UP NOW. YEP. SO FROM AN ORIENTATION STANDPOINT, WE ARE OFF OF STATE BRIDGE WHERE THAT IS TO PAGE SOUTH HERE. IT'S AN EXISTING CURB CUT THAT IS A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT TO THAT SIDE STREET THAT DOES PASS THROUGH AND CONNECT WITH STATE BRIDGE WAY. THAT IS TO, UH, PAGE TOP LEFT IN THIS ORIENTATION. TRUE NORTH IS SLIGHTLY OFF FROM PAGE, SO WE'VE ROTATED IT A LITTLE BIT THERE, BUT, UM, ULTIMATELY THAT CURB CUT IS EXISTING. THIS IS A GDO T STATE ROUTE. SO THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING ON UP THERE JUST FOR REFERENCES, THERE'S NOT REALLY A GOOD CROSSWALK. THERE IS ONE, BUT THERE'S ONLY A CURB CUT ON ONE SIDE, NOT THE OTHER, UM, FOR THE, OR AN A DA RAMP. SO WE'RE FIXING ALL THAT BASICALLY AS PART OF THIS. SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'VE MET WITH GOT ALREADY ON THIS, SO WE'VE GOTTEN PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK FROM THEM. SO WE FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT WHAT'S BEING SHOWN IN THE FRONTAGE AS IT RELATES TO KIND OF CREATING THE CONNECTIVITY THAT'S LACKING ALONG THIS, UH, AREA RIGHT NOW. AT LEAST FOR OUR PORTION OF IT. UM, ONCE YOU GET INTO THE SITE, UM, AS DESCRIBED BY STAFF IS A RIGHT TURN IN, FOLLOWED BY RIGHT TURN IN AND ULTIMATELY YOU'RE CIRCULATING CLOCKWISE AROUND THE BUILDING HERE. UM, A LOT OF THOUGHT AND INTENT WORKING WITH STAFF WENT INTO THAT TO CREATE AS MUCH QUEUING ON THE PARCEL AS POSSIBLE. UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WITH THE DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH, OUR INTENT IS NOT FOR ANYTHING TO BE BACKING ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE SIDE STREET, LET ALONE THE STATE ROUTE. UM, BASED OFF THE STUDIES THAT WERE DONE, WE HAVE, UM, NO CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. WE'VE GOT ADEQUATE QUEUING PLUS, IF YOU WILL, TO A FACTOR OF SAFETY THAT I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT. UM, AT MOST. YOU MAY SEE SOME, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS LAST PARKING SPACE OR TWO NEXT TO THE DUMPSTER MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT AT THE BUSIEST TIME. RIGHT. BUT NOTHING THAT WOULD IMPEDE, UM, ANY SORT OF TRAFFIC FLOW BEYOND THE PARCEL. UM, SO ULTIMATELY CIRCULATING CLOCKWISE AROUND CENTER ISLAND, WE DO INCLUDE THAT SIDEWALK IN THERE. THAT'S, UH, THAT'S HELPFUL AS IT RELATES TO HOW THIS BUILDING FUNCTIONS, IF YOU PICTURE KIND OF THE CHICK-FIL-A MODEL WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING TAKING ORDERS, THAT'S HOW SEVEN BREW OPERATES THEIR DRIVE THROUGH. SO THERE WILL BE FOLKS WALKING IN AND AROUND WHICH, WHICH, WHICH SIDEWALK? I'M SORRY, WHICH SIDEWALK ON THE, I'M SORRY. ON THIS INTERNAL ISLAND HERE. OH, OKAY. VERY GOOD. YEAH, I CAN USE THE CURSOR. RIGHT. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. SO YOU'VE GOT THAT THERE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A, A SAFETY FEATURE IF YOU WILL FOR, FOR THE STAFF THAT'S WORKING HERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE AS IT GETS BUSY, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE OUT OF THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES IN AND OUT. UM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN BREEZE'S GOT A PRETTY WELL THOUGHT OUT MODEL AS TO HOW THEY, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE, KEEP THE FOLKS MOVING THROUGH THESE FACILITIES. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE A WALK UP, SIT DOWN, IT HAS THAT FUNCTIONALITY, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OF THE, UH, CUSTOMERS ARE GONNA BE COMING [01:00:01] THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THEY'RE GONNA BE GETTING BACK ON THE ROAD AS, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN GET THEM WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME TASTY COFFEE IN HAND. SO, UM, I THINK TRAFFIC, CIRCULATION, PARKING, WE ARE RELOCATING THE, UH, DUMPSTER, UM, ENCLOSURE. SO BEFORE IT WAS IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A LITTLE MORE VISIBLE, UM, THAN WE'D LIKE, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO WHERE WE'RE LOCATING THE BUILDING. SO WE'VE PUT IT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WE CAN INTO THE CORNER COVERING IT WITH LANDSCAPE AND IT HAS ENCLOSURE AS WELL. SO WHILE KEEPING IT ON THE PROPERTY, WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF TUCKED IT INTO THE BEST PLACE WE CAN AND ALSO MAINTAIN ACCESS TO IT. SO IT NEEDS TO BE IN A PLACE OF COURSE WHERE THE UH, DUMP TRUCK CAN ACTUALLY GET IN AND OUT REASONABLY. UM, THINK THINKING OF THAT DUMPSTER, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE FOLKS THAT COME IN TO TO DUMP IT, DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE ADEQUATE TURNING RADIUS AND ACCESS TO THAT WHERE THAT DUMPSTER'S LOCATED LOCATED? YES. SO THE INTENT WITH THAT IS THAT THEY WOULD COME IN, TYPICALLY THEY'RE EITHER GONNA PULL PAST IT IN BACKUP AND OR THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, PULL FORWARD. AND THEN HOW WOULD THE, HOW WOULD, UH, SORRY, I'M JUST THINKING OF LOGISTICS ON THAT TRUCK DRIVER OR THAT DRIVER COMING IN, HE'S GOTTA COME IN AND KIND OF DO LIKE A THREE POINT REAR TURNAROUND OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? WE CAN AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. I, I WANNA SAY YEAH, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, AS LONG AS IT'S A BACK LOAD, UH, I GUESS IT'S GONNA LIFT UNIT. HE COULD JUST COME IN JUST LIKE THE CUSTOMERS INTO LANE ONE AND PULL BACK THAT DUMP. SORRY, I MIGHT NOT HAVE DESCRIBED IT. WELL. THAT'S WHAT I WAS PICTURING. I THINK I TYPICALLY SEE A LOT OF 'EM WHERE THEY BEFORE BACK UP LIFT OVER THE TOP AND THEN HE COULD EITHER, I, I DON'T WOULD WE HAVE ANY IMPEDIMENT TO HIM CIRCULATING THROUGH? I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY ISSUE ISSUE THERE. THERE IS SOME AWNING THERE. UM, WHAT WE IS TYPICALLY DONE IN OPERATIONS THERE, THERE BEFORE WE OPEN. UM, THAT BEING SAID, UH, THE THOUGHT WITH THIS, SHOULD THERE BE QUEUING THERE? UM, WE'D HAVE ENOUGH ONSITE STAFF THAT'S OUTSIDE TAKING ORDERS AND DELIVERING DRINKS WHERE THEY'D BE ABLE TO PAUSE, SWING UP AND IN . OKAY. UH, AND THEN, AND THEN HEAD RIGHT BACK OUT. I'M EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE, THE DELIVERY TRUCKS FOR YOUR FOOD AND, AND YOUR SUPPLIES. HOW ARE, HOW ARE THEY COMING IN AND GETTING OUT OF THERE? 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A CANOPY THERE. YEAH. SO, SO WITH DELIVERY, UM, POTENTIAL FOR THEM TO, TO PARK OUTSIDE OF THE ISLAND. UM, AND US JUST HAVE ONE LANE WRAPPING AROUND AND THROUGH, UH, TO THE DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH AT THAT TIME. UM, OTHERWISE, UH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T, YEAH, THEY MAY JUST BE PARKING ON THAT, THAT LITTLE SIDE STREET AND I THINK THAT FROM THERE ALSO A LIKELY COURSE OF ACTION THERE. OKAY. WHICH MAY THINK ABOUT JUST EXTENDING THAT SIDEWALK FOR POTENTIALLY A LITTLE BIT RIGHT THERE. DOES THAT ANYTHING LIKE DOWNTOWN? THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT THERE. YEAH. THAT'S GONNA BE THE E THAT'S GONNA BE THE PATH OF THE LEAST RESISTANCE. AND WE DO HAVE THE SIDEWALK ALL ALONG THAT SIDE, SO IT WOULDN'T BE HARD TO CREATE A SMALL BREAK IN THE LANDSCAPE THERE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION. WE PROBABLY NEED TO CONSIDER THAT. THAT'S ALRIGHT. SORRY, I KNOW WE'RE GETTING OFF TRACK. I'M JUST THINKING OF NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY VALID. THANK YOU. VERY ACCESSIBLE FOR CARS, BUT NOT MUCH FOR ANYTHING. ANY VEHICLE TALLER THAN A CAR OR AN S SUV, THEY'LL MAKE THEIR OWN PATH AS I'M SURE. I WAS GONNA SAY, IF I'VE LEARNED ANYTHING IN THE, MY TIME AS A CIVIL ENGINEER AS YOU NEED TO PUT SIDEWALKS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WALK NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. RIGHT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. CONTINUE. IF YOU'LL CONTINUE ON WITH THE, WITH THE SITE PLEASE. IF OKAY. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. NO, I MEAN I THINK AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN TRAFFIC CIRCULATION ORIENTATION, UM, I THINK STAFF HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF DESCRIBING HOW WE GOT TO THIS LOCATION ON THE BUILDING. I'LL JUST SAY FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WE DID GO THROUGH A VARIETY OF SITE PLANS LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY PUTTING, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN FACADE BETWEEN STATE BRIDGE AND THE SITE. AND A LOT OF WHAT DROVE THIS IS THAT, UM, THAT QUEUING CIRCULATION, TRYING TO CREATE AS MUCH QUEUING ON THE SITE AS POSSIBLE. UM, AND ALSO NOT HAVING A DRIVEWAY CUT TOO CLOSE TO THE STATE ROUTE, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY OR IS UP IN THIS AREA FOR A REASON. OBVIOUSLY G DDOT DOES NOT WANT ANYBODY TO QUEUE BACK INTO THERE. SO AT ONE POINT WE THOUGHT WE HAD A REALLY GOOD ONE THAT INVOLVED A SECOND DRIVEWAY CUT, BUT WE MIX THAT. ONCE AGAIN, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT FOLKS WILL DO REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU PUT DOWN IN TERMS OF STRIPING AND SIGNAGE. SO I I, I DO THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ODD LOCATION, IF YOU WILL, FROM AN OVERALL PARCEL STANDPOINT, BUT IT'S ALL VERY DRIVEN BY HOW WE ANTICIPATE FOLKS CIRCULATING AND USING, UH, THIS FACILITY. OKAY. UM, UNDERGROUND STORMWATER DETENTION, DOES THE EXISTING, ARE YOU USING THE EXISTING SYSTEM [01:05:01] AND DOES IT YES. HAVE THE CAPACITY? SO WE'VE ACTUALLY MET WITH THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT AS WELL TO KIND OF GET AHEAD OF THAT AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE THERE. THE, UH, STORM PIPES THAT ARE SHOWN KIND OF GOING OFF SITE DO GO TO AN UNDERGROUND SYSTEM. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF STUDYING THAT, BUT WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED WITH, UM, STAFF HOW WE WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE STORMWATER SHOULD THAT PROVE INADEQUATE FOR OUR, UM, USES. WE ARE ALSO, UM, DOING INFILTRATION TESTING AS IT RELATES TO CURRENT STORMWATER REGULATIONS FOR RUNOFF REDUCTION IN INFILTRATION. BASED ON THE TIMING OF THIS ONE, I AM 90% CERTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS NOT PROBABLY ACCOUNTED FOR WHEN THIS WAS PUT IN. AND SO THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTROLS AS IT RELATES TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF WHERE SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE WE SHOW LANDSCAPING MAY END UP BEING, UM, CONVERTED TO BIO RETENTION, UM, TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, WATER QUALITY INFILTRATION. UM, BUT THAT'S PART OF THAT LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT DESIGN. UM, I'LL SAY HAVING MET WITH STAFF, I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET CURRENT STORMWATER REGS, WHICH WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT IS OUT THERE CURRENTLY AS IT RELATES TO THE, THE OLDER SYSTEM THAT'S IN PLACE. OKAY. YOU'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A, A GREASE TRAP, DO YOU? WE DO HAVE A GREASE TRAP. WHERE, WHERE'S THAT LOCATED? I DIDN'T SEE IT. I WAS GONNA SAY, DO YOU HAVE THE UTILITY PLAN? BE NOT SURE IF WE HAVE THE UTILITY PLAN. I CAN PUT SOME STUFF ON THE, I WAS GONNA SAY, I CAN DESCRIBE IT ON THE LAYOUT IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU, SIR, LET ME GET BACK TO THAT. SO HERE IS AN EXISTING SANITARY SEWER LINE THAT RUNS ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE HERE IN AN EASEMENT. THAT'S PART OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE WE'RE, UH, LOCATING EVERYTHING. SO ACTUALLY YOU CAN SEE IT, YOU CAN SEE IT SOMEWHAT FADED RIGHT HERE ON THE SCREEN. SO ULTIMATELY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IT WOULD COME OUT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING HERE. THERE'D BE A GREASE TRAP IN THIS DRIVE LANE. UM, IT WOULD THEN TURN AND TIE INTO THE EXISTING SANITARY HERE. AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT THE, THE DUMP, THE NEW DUMPSTER LOCATION DRAIN LINE THAT WOULD COME OVER AND RUN IN, UM, THAT LINE AS WELL. IS THAT, IS THAT PERMISSABLE TO HAVE IT IN THE DR A DRIVE AISLE? I THOUGHT IT HAD TO BE IN A, UH, ACCESSIBLE AREA. I, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S NOT PART OF MY PURVIEW, SO IF IT, IF IT DID NEED TO BE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK IT DOWN TOWARDS THE SOUTH SIDE. I THINK PART OF OUR GOAL WOULD BE REVIEWED DURING YOUR LDP. WELL, I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. UM, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, SINCE IT WASN'T SHOWN IN ANY OF THE RENDERINGS, UM, AND IT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, THE DUMPSTER'S GONNA BE CLAD IN SIMILAR MATERIALS AS THE BUILDING, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UM, AND THAT'LL JUST BE REVIEWED BY STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE, WE CAN MAKE, WE'LL MAKE OKAY. UM, SPEAK TO ANY OF THAT. I THINK, UM, AS FAR AS DUMPSTER DOORS, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WHY DON'T, LET'S LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE DO EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS, YOU CAN ADDRESS IT AT THAT POINT, IF YOU WILL. UM, YOU'RE GOOD. UM, ONE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT THE OVERALL, AS A CUSTOMER COMING IN TO ORDER SOME COFFEE OR SOMETHING, AM I ORDERING IT? HOW, HOW DO YOU ORDER YOUR COFFEE OR WHAT DO YOU DO TO YOU, YOU DRIVE IN, DO YOU USE YOUR, YOUR PHONE TO PRE-ORDER OR IS IT, UH, SO I DID RECENTLY COME OUT WITH AN APP THAT'S WITHIN THE PAST TWO WEEKS. OH, OKAY. YOU COULD DO, UM, AN ORDER AHEAD, BUT REALLY WE'RE NOT MAKING AHEAD OF TIME. IT'S JUST YOU PUT TOGETHER YOUR ORDER, YOU SCAN ONCE YOU GET THERE. UM, AND THEN THAT'S IMMEDIATELY INPUT INTO THE SYSTEM AND, AND MADE TO ORDER THEN OTHERWISE. SO I PULL UP TO THE, IF I COME IN TO, WHEN I ORDER SOME COFFEE, I PULL IN TO THE, THE CANOPY AREA. AND THEN IS, IS THERE A A, A KIOSK OR IS THERE A SO IT'S EXACTLY, BASICALLY THE CHICK-FIL-A MODEL WHERE THEY'RE THE TWO LANES. UM, WE HAVE ORDER TAKERS OUTSIDE. THE GOAL IS TO GET TO THE CAR WITHIN 30 SECONDS OF THEM BEING ON SITE, UH, TO TAKE THE ORDER. UM, AND SO FROM THERE, UH, TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO FLOW THROUGH TO THE SERVING STATION, UH, AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS THERE THAT RUN THE DRINKS OUT TO THE CAR. UM, SO VERY SIMILAR CHICK-FIL-A WHERE YOU HAVE THE IPAD, UH, WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS TAKING THE ORDER. OKAY. AND THEN IF, DO YOU GET WALKUP CUSTOMERS? IT IS PRIMARILY DRIVE THROUGH. UH, THERE IS WINDOW THERE, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON FOR THE, THE SIDEWALKS AS WELL. UM, WHERE WE, WE TYPICALLY, THE LARGE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY ARE, ARE DRIVE THROUGH, BUT WE DO, WE DO NOT TURN ANYONE AWAY. SHOULD THEY WALK UP TO ORDER. OKAY. ONE POINT OF CLARITY, THEY CANNOT GO INTO THE BUILDING. I'M SORRY, ONE POINT OF CLARITY, THEY CANNOT GO INTO BUILDING, SO I'LL MAKE ANOTHER COMPARISON. KIND OF LIKE A BREWSTER'S. THERE IS A WALK UP WINDOW, BUT THERE'S NO GOING INTO THE FACILITY FOR ANYBODY BUT THE EMPLOYEES. OKAY. [01:10:03] ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER SITE QUESTIONS? I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME SITE LIGHTING AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER, SO. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, LET'S DO THIS NOW LET'S JUMP INTO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING. BLUE ROLL PLEASE. SO WE'LL SPEND SOME TIME WITH NEIL THIS MORNING. GOT STOP ADVANCING. WHAT'S THE MAGIC HERE? STOP ADVANCING. IT'S NOT ADVANCING. HEAR YOU SCROLL THAT. OKAY. YOU WANNA START WITH THE RENDERINGS OR JUST THE 2D DRAWINGS? UM, EITHER ONE. WHATEVER YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A MATERIAL BOARD WITH YOU TOO, THAT WOULD BE, UM, MAYBE THE MATERIAL BOARD IS, WELL HERE WE'LL START, THERE'S A 3D, 3D RENDERING OF IT. UM, THE MATERIALS ON THE BUILDING STARTS WITH THE BLACK, UH, TONED BRICK, WHICH IS, IS HERE. WE HAVE A SAMPLE OF THE BRICK AS WELL, UM, WITH THE UPPER PROPORTION OF THE BUILDING WITH THE BE BRICK. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT NEIL, LET'S DO THIS. YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU GET TO ONE OF YOUR ELEVATIONS AND THEN WALK US THROUGH FROM, FROM GROUND TO ROOF ON THE, WHAT THE PRINT MATERIALS ARE AND OKAY. IS THIS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. IS THIS VIEW GOOD OR DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE 2D? MAYBE WHY DON'T YOU GO TO THE, WE'VE GOT CALL OUTS. YEAH, I THINK YOUR 2D HAS SOME CALL OUTS ON IT, DOESN'T IT? YEAH, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. AND THEN MAKE SURE YOU GET US ORIENTED ON WHICH, WHICH ELEVATION IS FACING EITHER KIMBALL BRIDGE OR THE, OKAY, SO THE IS THE SMALL SIDE STREET. SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S AN UNNAMED ROAD. UM, IT'S A ACCESS ROAD. SO ACCESS STREET, THE TOP, TOP IMAGE STATE RIDGE ROAD IS ON THE RIGHT. UH, AND THE BOTTOM STATE BRIDGE ROAD IS ON THE LEFT. ON THE LEFT, CORRECT. UH, SO THE, THE BASE AROUND THE BUILDING IS THE BLACK BRICK, WHICH YOU SEE THERE. UM, TELL YOU WHAT, YEAH, WILSON, WHY DON'T YOU DO THE, WHY DON'T YOU ACT AS VANNA FOR, IF YOU WILL, AND THEN OKAY. UH, WITH AN UPPER PORTION OF THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING BEING THE BEIGE BRICK, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THERE, UH, WE'VE INTRODUCED SOME SIDING, UH, AS ANOTHER ELEMENT IN THE BUILDING WITH THE VERTICAL BATTENS. UM, THAT'LL BE A HARDY BOARD CEMENTITIOUS TYPE MATERIAL. AND THAT COLORS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PAINT, UH, WE'LL BE USING. UH, AND THE ROOF MATERIAL IS, WE HAVE A SAMPLE OF THE ROOF. IT IS. OKAY. UH, IT IS A, A DARKER MATERIAL, UM, ALMOST LIKE A BRONZE, DARK BRONZE. AND HERE REAL QUICK. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS REPRESENTING HERE. STANDING SEEN METAL ROOF. UH, IN THE RENDERINGS YOU CAN SEE THE, UNDER THE SOFFIT OF THE AWNINGS AND DRIVE THROUGH, YOU CAN BEGIN TO SEE THAT THERE. IT'S A WOOD TONE AND THAT'S USED AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE UPPER OVERHANG OF THE ROOF AS WELL AS THE LOWER AWNINGS OR ROOF PORTIONS. AND THEN THE DRIVE THROUGH THE STOREFRONT MATERIAL. IS THIS CLEAR ANODIZED? I THINK IT'S, THAT'S MORE REPRESENTATIVE. YEAH. THE, SOMEBODY ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. UH, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE WILL FOLLOW THE SAME PATTERN AS ON THE BUILDING AT THE BASE OF THE BLACK BRICK WITH THE BEIGE ABOVE. DO YOU HAVE DRAWINGS TO THAT FOR STAFF DRAWING TO THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE? I NOTICED IT WAS NOT IN THIS PACKAGE THAT WAS SUBMITTED, BUT WE CAN ACTUALLY EDIT TO IT. YEAH, YOU'LL NEED TO, YEAH. THE, THE DOORS, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR. WOULDN'T THE, UH, YEAH, THE, THERE WAS A CITY COUNCIL CONDITION THAT REQUIRED TO BE DECORATIVE METAL, I THINK. YEAH, LET'S LOOK, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. UM, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE DESCRIPTION. IT SAID THE, UM, THE TRASH ENCLOSED GATE AND ELECTRICAL SCREENING GATE IS, THEY ARE ONE BY EIGHT SEATER PLANKS STAINED. SO THAT PUTS THE DESCRIPTION IN THE FINISH SCHEDULE THAT THE ARCHITECTS [01:15:02] PROVIDED. SO YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO, LET'S LOOK AT THE, I'LL READ THOSE COUNCIL CONDITIONS HERE AS WE KIND OF GET THROUGH EVERYTHING ERIC, SO, OKAY. RIGHT THERE. YEAH. SO THOSE ARE THE CEDAR PLANKS AND THE ONE BY EIGHT CEDAR PLANKS. ALL RIGHT. TWO STAINED, THAT WILL BE STAINED. AND THAT'S, SO, UH, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY FOR THE TRASH ENCLOSURE, BUT ALSO FOR THE SOFFIT MATERIAL. JUST FOR THE GATES, JUST FOR THE GATE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. OKAY. THE THREE WALLS OF THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE ARE CMU WRAPPED WITH BRICK. OKAY. AND, AND THEN THE SOFFIT MATERIAL FOR ANY OF THE ROOF OVERHANG AREAS AND THE DRIVE THROUGH AREA, IS IT THE SAME? IT IS NOT WOOD. IT'S ACTUALLY A, A METAL PANEL THAT HAS THE WOOD GREEN FINISH TO IT. OKAY. MAKES SENSE. OKAY. UM, QUESTION FOR YOU ON, YOU'VE GOT, UM, PART OF THE BUILDING HAS KIND OF A, UH, HAS A NICE, UH, I'LL SAY A HIP OR GABLE ROOF ON IT. AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THE BUILDING DOES NOT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT JUST HAS KIND OF THE THREE OR FOUR WALL THAT GO UP AND STOP. WHAT IS IN THAT WELL AREA OR WHAT'S THE FUNCTION? THERE YOU GO. SO THE, UM, ON THIS PLANE, IS THAT WHERE WE HAVE THE HVVC? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY IT'S OPEN THERE. THERE IS HVAC ON THE ROOF THERE. YEAH. SO ESSENTIALLY THAT, THAT SECOND STORY OF THAT PART OF THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY ACTING AS A SCREEN SCREEN WALL OR SCREENING. RIGHT. SCREENING ALL THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT. OKAY. JUST KIND OF, IF, IF THERE'S A, A ICE MAKER CONDENSER OR SOMETHING THAT'S IN THAT MIDDLE PORTION, IT'S SCREENED AS WELL. SO ALL THAT EQUIPMENT'S SCREENED. OKAY. UM, TELL ME ABOUT, UH, LET'S GO TO ONE OF YOUR 2D RENDERINGS IF WE WILL, IF WE CAN. ALRIGHT, THERE WE GO. PERFECT. UM, I'M READING THAT THE BRICK MATERIAL IS A THIN BRICK. NOW YOU, YOU'VE SHOWED US ONE OF THOSE SAMPLES IS ACTUALLY A FULL BRICK. MAYBE CAN YOU TELL ME, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MARK. DID YOU GUYS DECIDE TO GO WITH THE THIN BRICK OR THE FULL BRICK? I BELIEVE PORTIONS OF IT WERE, UM, FULL BRICK. SO THE BRICK, THE BLACK IS A FULL BRICK AND THE BE IS A THIN BRICK THE SIZE. ALRIGHT, HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS. IF YOU ZOOM INTO SOME OF THE AREAS IN THE BRICK WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WERE WINDOWS, FOR INSTANCE, OR OPENINGS, AND IF YOU CAN ZOOM INTO THIS, THIS ELEVATION A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE, THE OPENINGS LOOK LIKE A LEFT OVER MITRE DOORFRAME USING BRICK MATERIALS. IT, IT DOESN'T TRULY LOOK LIKE THERE WAS A WINDOW THERE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WOULD'VE BEEN ORIGINALLY BUILT. THE HEADER DOES NOT HAVE THE MITRE RIGHT. EDGES, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE A CLEAN KIND OF RECTANGULAR HEADER PIECE UP THERE. MM-HMM . AND THEN THE JAMS WOULD COME INTO IT. SO, AND THEN, UM, TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE THE, THE INSIDE AREA OF THOSE FAUX WINDOWS OR FAUX DOORS. SOMETIMES THEY'LL DO A HERRINGBONE PATTERN OF THEIR, THEY'LL SHAKE UP THAT PATTERN A LITTLE BIT JUST TO MAKE IT LOOK DIFFERENT AND SO IT STANDS OUT. MM-HMM . SO IS THAT, IS THAT BRICK AIR, IS THAT THIN BRICK? OR IS THAT A FULL SIZE BRICK FOR THE LIGHTER BRICK? WE'D HAVE TO CONFIRM WITH THE ACTUAL DESIGNER THAT, THAT PUTS THIS TOGETHER. UM, IF THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT THE PATTERN, UM, OR YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED, WE CAN DO THAT IN THIN BRICK JUST AS EASILY WE CAN WITH FULL BRICK. I LIKE THE ARTICULATION. I LIKE WHERE YOU'VE TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, UM, BREAK UP THE BRICK AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT BEEN, UM, STUCK ON LICK AND STICK. YES. WELL THE, THE OTHER PIECE TO THAT IS, IS IF YOU'RE USING THIN BRICK, IT USUALLY COMES IN MORE DEPTH. SO YOU CAN'T MAKE ANYTHING PROUD, UH, AT THE UH, RIGHT. WELL IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO THE EDGES AT THE BASE BRICK, FOR INSTANCE, THE, UH, KIND OF THE WATER TABLE BRICK MM-HMM . THEY'VE GOT THAT SOLDIER COURSE OR THAT ROLL LOCK OR WHATEVER, IT ACTUALLY PROTRUDES OUT A LITTLE BIT FROM THE FACE OF THE OTHER BRICK. SO IT LOOKS LIKE A, AGAIN, HOW DO YOU DO THAT WITH THIN BRICK VERSUS A REGULAR SIZE BRICK? I, I SUSPECT WHEN WE GET INTO THE DETAILS, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE, BOTH OF 'EM ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE FULL BRICK. YOU HAVE TO BE WHAT? SAY THAT AGAIN, I'M SORRY. FULLS SIZE? BRICK. YEAH, BRICK. I THINK BRICK. I THINK YOU'RE, I AGREE. I, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT. 'CAUSE THAT GIVES THAT, THAT TRUE BRICK FEEL AND THAT TRUE BRICK LOOK ANYWAY. I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THE MITERED JOINTS ON THE, UH, [01:20:02] THE SURROUNDS FOR THOSE BRICKED AREAS IS APPROPRIATE FOR USING BRICK. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU COULD USE A, A SOLID HEADER SURE. OF SOME SORT AND THEN COME IN AND THEN THE, THE CENTER AREA WOULD BE NOT A RUNNING HORSE OF BRICK, BUT YOU CHANGE UP THE PATTERN THERE SO THAT MAKE IT LOOK OKAY. UM, BUT I'LL GET OVERALL, SO THAT'S, THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS. WHAT'S THE THIN BRICK, WHAT'S THE FULL SIZE BRICK? AND THAT'S EASY TO EXECUTE. OKAY. SO ELIMINATE THE MIRE CORNERS AND KIND OF LIKE MAYBE A HERRINGBONE INFILL RATHER. EXACTLY. YES. THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE PERFECT. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER COMMENT I HAD WAS ON THE DRIVE THROUGH AREA, IT'S A NICE DRIVE THROUGH COVERED AREA. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, MAYBE YOU CAN GO TO ONE OF YOUR RENDERINGS IN THIS CASE. I THINK IT WOULD, WOULD BE BE BEST. UM, THE COLORED RENDERING. YEAH. WHY DON'T YOU GO TO ONE OF YOUR COLOR RENDERINGS? I THINK THAT STANDS OUT A LITTLE BETTER. THERE YOU GO. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BASE OF THOSE COLUMNS FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH OUT A BRICK OF SOME SORT INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING THEM COME STRAIGHT DOWN. I GUESS THAT'S A STEEL TUBE, STEEL COLUMN, STEEL COLUMN THAT'S THERE, BUT JUST SURROUND THE BASE OF IT WITH A BRICK BASE THAT MATCHES THE SO BALLARDS TOO IN BULK. UM, THEY BALLARD ARE SHOWN ON THEIR SITE PLAN. THEY'RE JUST NOT SHOWN HERE. BUT YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A LOT OF PROTECTION THROUGH HERE. . YEAH. WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF THESE WHERE, UH, JUST DEPEND ON THE JURISDICTION AND WHAT THEY WANT. WE'VE ADDED BREAKTHROUGH THOSE COLUMNS AND THE ARD. YES, I WOULD, WOULD, I WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND OR WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, I THINK THAT GIVES IT A GOOD AHEAD THEIR COFFEE. WELL MAYBE THEY'VE HAD THEIR COFFEE AND THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. ONE OR THE OTHER INTENTION. SO, SO ARE YOU TALKING THE FULL COLUMN OR JUST THE NO, JUST THE BASE OF THE COLUMN. I THINK IT WOULD, THE APPROPRIATE, IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU GUYS DID THE ONE IN MILTON THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF I WAS AN ADJACENT FRANCHIS. OH, OKAY. I DID, I DID GO INTO THAT. THEN THEY HAVE BASE THAT THEY DID THE COLUMN BASES OUT OF, UM, OUT OF A BRICK MATERIAL. SO I LIKE THAT. AND, AND YOU GUYS DON'T PLAN FOR ANY BOLLARDS PROTECTION BALLARD? YES, THERE ARE. THEY'RE THEY'RE ON THE SITE PLAN. OH THEY ARE? OKAY. YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE CARRIED INTO THE RENDERING. UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION JUST TO FOLLOW UP. SO LOOKING AT THIS RENDERING, SO THE MATERIAL THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE LOOKS WOOD, GRAINS, METAL, UM, DO YOU THINK WE COULD GET THAT INCLUDED ON THE EXTERIOR FINISH SCHEDULE? I DON'T SEE THAT. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A BIG VISUAL DIFFERENCE YEAH. OF JUST A PIECE OF BROWN VERSUS NO, IT'S NOT, IT LOOKS GRAINED, BUT I, I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE SCHEDULE. SO MAYBE I'M MISSING IT BECAUSE THAT LOOKS LIKE THE CEDAR FOR THE DOOR. YEP. THAT'S THE CEDAR, UH, DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE SOFFIT MATERIAL IS SHOWN WITHIN THIS. YEAH. 'CAUSE I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD TO BRING IN THOSE WOOD TONES, BUT UM, JUST NOT CLEAR IF IT ACTUALLY DOES HAVE THAT. YEAH. IT IS NOT SHOWN ON HERE. WE CAN HAVE THAT ADDED. OKAY. ANY OTHER, UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS AND OR MATERIALS? YEAH, SO THE, THE WHITE COLORS OF PT ONE, THERE'S ALSO A PT TWO PAINT COLOR. WHERE IS THAT? OH, COME ON, SORRY. OH, I SEE IT. IT'S ON THE DOORS ON THE DOOR. I JUST, I JUST FOUND IT ON THE EXTERIOR TRYING FIND. OKAY. AT LEAST ON ONE OF THE EXTERIOR DOORS. OKAY. IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE ONLY PLACE PT TWO IS USED? IS ON THE DOORS? WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST ON ONE OF THE EXTERIOR'S. I'D HAVE TO ZOOM ALL AROUND THAT TO CONFIRM IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS MAKE SURE IT'S NOT CALLED. SO I GUESS, UM, THERE IS ONLY, I'M THINKING OF EMPLOYEES AS THEY COME AND GO. THEY'RE THE ENTRANCE FOR AN EMPLOYEE OR DELIVERY IS THAT DOOR ON THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION LEFT SIDE. SO THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE DELIVERING THE THE DRINKS, THEY'RE COMING OUTTA THESE TWO DOORS HERE. OKAY. AND THEN IF THEY'RE COMING TO WORK, FOR INSTANCE, THEY, UH, OPERATIONALLY ARE YOU GUYS SENDING THEM THROUGH THIS DOOR? IT'S, [01:25:01] IT'S BOTH. UM, IT'S WHAT? IT'S WHAT IT'S, IT'S BOTH AS FAR AS UH, WHEN THEY'RE SHOWING UP AND CHECKING IN, UM, THEY, THEY CAN ENTER FROM THE FRONT OR THAT SIDE DOOR. OKAY. AND ON THAT ELEVATION, UM, BOTTOM ELEVATION CAN'T QUITE SEE IT YET. IS THAT, IS THAT A WOODEN DOOR OVER THE ELECTRICAL? IS THAT WHAT I'M SEEING? RIGHT, THAT'S THE SCREEN DOOR. THAT, THAT WILL MATCH THE DESIGN OF WHAT? TALKING ABOUT, SORRY, WHERE'D TO GO? SO IT'S BOTTOM ELEVATION. YEAH. TRYING TO PULL DOWN TO IT. THERE WE GO. RIGHT. SO THAT'S GONNA BE STAINED SEATED. YOU GUYS ARE PLAYING. IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT? LET'S LOOK AT THE RENDERING REAL QUICK. WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE DECORATIVE. THE RENDERING SAYS IT IS A DARK COLOR. THE CEDAR'S GONNA FADE AND BE KIND OF A MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAT'S GOTTA MATCH THAT BUILDING DOOR. OKAY. MATCH THE BUILDING COLOR. ABSOLUTELY. WHICH PART WAS THAT? THE, IT DISAPPEARED ON ME AGAIN. . SORRY. CAN WE CLARIFY WHAT THE COLOR BEING USED THAT ONE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ON THIS, ON THIS RENDERING? IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WOOD. NO. IN THE RENDERER IT DOESN'T. WHAT IS THAT? IT'S NOT, IT'S UH, ELECTRICAL ENCLOSED ELECTRICAL ENCLOSURE. THE, THE COLOR ON IN THE RENDERING HERE IS DEPICTING THE COLOR THAT'S ON THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. I MEAN, IS THERE A PRACTICAL USE FOR BEING WOOD OR IS IT, I I DON'T, I WASN'T IN THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING DISCUSSION THAT COULD, I THINK, I DON'T THINK IT CAME UP IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS. WE RELOCATED IT, UM, FROM WHAT WAS FACING STATE BRIDGEWAY PREVIOUSLY ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE THING AND WANTED TO TUCK IT AWAY SOMEWHERE. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN WE MARCH THROUGH THE ANY ARCHITECTURAL CONDITIONS NOW BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YES. IN THE NOTE. I'LL DO THIS. LET ME GET TO THE BOTTOM OF OUR APPLICATION HERE AND I CAN, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING THOSE UP, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE GROUT COLORS? 'CAUSE THERE WAS SOME INCONSISTENCIES IN THE PACKAGE WHERE ONE PLACE IT SAID IT WAS ULTRA DARK ON BOTH BRICK AND ANOTHER PLACE IT TALKED ABOUT WHAT GROUT. UM, SO THESE WITH THE BASHING COLOR ALL, ALRIGHT, SO THE PLAN IS THE ULTRA DARK ON THE BASE AND THE WHITE OR THE, UH, BBR TWO. CORRECT. THE THE, THE DARKER MORE GOES WITH THE DARKER BRICK. THE LIGHTER MORTAR GOES WITH THE LIGHTER BRICK. SO I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE DARKER. SO THE, ON THE BBR ONE ON THE, THE MONITORS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE GROUT COLOR THAT'S SHOWN THERE. I DON'T KNOW. NO, IT'S NOT REFLECTED. YEAH, IT'S RIGHT, EXACTLY. IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THIS IMAGE. THIS IMAGE IS FOR THE BRICK SAMPLE ITSELF AND THEY USE A NEUTRAL. THERE YOU GO BRETT. OH THAT'S MUCH BETTER. YEAH, THAT'S THE ULTRA DARK GOES WITH THAT. YEAH. AND THEN THE WHITE GROUT ON THE B TWO. THAT'S WHY THEY MAKE THOSE SAMPLES JUST, IT'S JUST THE RIGHT SIZE. YEP. . THANK YOU NEIL. GREAT. THANK YOU. DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE GET YOUR WORKOUT THIS MORNING. YEAH. AND THAT'S ACTUAL WORK. I KNOW, RIGHT? IT'S NOT JUST A SINK. THAT'S YES, THAT'S EVERYTHING. DEAL RIGHT THERE. YEAH. OKAY, LET ME DO THIS, UM, BRICK. WHERE DID WE END UP ON THE ELECTRICAL ENCLOSURE? SO WE DON'T WANT CEDAR. IT'S A DOOR. THAT'S GOTTA BE A DOOR TO MATCH THE OTHER DOOR ON THE BUILDING. JUST A DOOR. IT'S A SOLID DOOR. WELL, LET'S JUST GATES. THAT'S WHY I FIGURED IT WAS GATES. LET'S SHOULD BE DECORATIVE METAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LET'S, LET'S DO THIS. I'M NOT GONNA DESIGN IT FOR BUT CAN'T WOOD. LET ME DO, LET ME READ THE CONDITIONS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA HELP US MAKE A DECISION ON THAT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. BEAR WITH ME HERE. I'M, THERE'S FOUR CONDITIONS HERE. ALRIGHT. THIS SEVEN BUILDING SHALL BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE SUBMITTED RENDERINGS LABELED EXHIBIT A DASH. UPDATED RENDERINGS WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB NEON LIGHTING SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED ON THE BUILDING. ELEVATION. FRONTING STATE BRIDGE ROAD SHALL APPEAR AS A FRONT EL FRONT FACADE AND SHALL HAVE A TOWER FEATURE THAT IS CURRENTLY DEPICTED ON THE OPPOSITE ELEVATION WITH THE FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB. THAT'S THE FIRST CONDITION. SECOND FOUNDATION PLANTINGS SHALL BE REQUIRED ON THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING AS APPROVED BY DRB. NEXT MINIMUM 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG STATE BRIDGE ROAD SHALL BE, SHALL INCLUDE A MINIMUM TWO FOOT HIGH BERM AND OR DECORATIVE KNEE WALL [01:30:01] WITH TREES AND SHRUBS AS APPROVED BY DRB BERM SLASH KNEE WALL. AND SHRUBS SHALL SCREEN THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES AND PARKING FROM THE STATE BRIDGE ROAD. AND IN THE LAST CONDITION, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE SHALL BE DESIGNED WITH MATERIALS AND COLORS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THE PRIMARY BUILDING AND DUMPSTERS SHALL HAVE AN OPAQUE DECORATIVE METAL GATE AS APPROVED BY DRB. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS. SO THAT, SO BRETT, THERE WAS NO MILL FOR, YOU WEREN'T HERE, THERE WAS NO SUBMITTAL FOR THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE FOR STAFF OR, OR IT'S PART OF THIS. SO THEY'RE GONNA GET THAT TO YOU. SO THERE'S MYSTERY TO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. YEAH. OR WHAT BECAUSE WE'RE, WE CAN'T APPROVE BUT WE DON'T SEE YEAH, IT SAYS METAL GATE NOT CEDAR. YEAH, IT SAYS A PINK DECORATIVE. THEY'RE GONNA METAL GATE JUST GATE MAKE A GATE FOR YES. I, SAME, SAME THING FOR THE SURE. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE LOOKING DOWN APA METAL GATE? YES, I DO MOST OF THE TIME. DEC DEC DECORATIVE OPAQUE METAL GATE. OKAY, SO THE RENDERING THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED WOULD GO TO YOU AND IT WOULD INCLUDE THE WHOLE FACADE OF THAT WHOLE ENCLOSURE AS WELL AS THE GATE DESIGN AND EVERYTHING? YEAH. YEAH. I'LL LOOK AT 'EM WHEN THEY DO THEIR, UH, WHEN THEY DO THEIR BUILDING PERMIT SUBMITTALS, THAT'S WHEN I READ, LOOK AT 'EM, COMPARE 'EM TO WHAT WE DID HERE AND THEN I'LL LOOK AT THAT AND THERE ARE EXTRA MATERIALS AND SO ON ALL THOSE. OKAY. UM, BEFORE WE LEAVE EXTRA ELEVATIONS, BECAUSE THERE WAS MENTION OF NEON LIGHTING NOT BEING PERMITTED ON THE BUILDING, CAN YOU QUICKLY WALK US THROUGH JUST SOME OF THE, OF THE BUILD OR THE BUILDING LIGHTING TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEON LIGHTING. THERE'S NO NEON LIGHTING ON THIS BUILDING? YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THE, THE LIGHTINGS YOU'RE SEEING, UH, ALTHOUGH THIS IS A DAYLIGHT RENDERING, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE GOOSENECKS, UM, HIGHER ON THE BUILDING, SHINING DOWN ON THE BUILDING. AND THEN WE HAVE LIGHTING UNDERNEATH THE, THE AWNINGS AND THE SOFFITS AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME WALLCOT THERE IN THOSE ELEMENTS WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER WHERE WE'LL BE DOING HEARING BONE NEON LIGHTING'S COMMON ELSEWHERE, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY THE COMMENT WAS INCLUDED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, ANY OTHER EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS AND MATERIAL QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, IF NOT, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN PLEASE. SO LANDSCAPING, SO BACK TO BACK TO WILLIAM AND BRETT, CAN YOU PULL UP GOOGLE EARTH? PAT, YOU WANNA LOOK AT GOOGLE EARTH FIRST OR BEFORE WE, WHATEVER POPPED UP YOU WANNA DO MOSTLY YOU WANNA DO FROM THE STREET OR DO YOU WANNA GO WHERE? STATE BRIDGE. I JUST WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, EXISTING STREETSCAPE IS THIS ONE WITH EXISTING SCAPE. IT'S GOT POWER LINES ALONG THAT. SO. ALRIGHT, LET'S LOOK AT, UH, WE'LL DO A GOOGLE EARTH SITE VISIT HERE QUICK. WE CAN, YOURS LOOK, YOU CAN DO IT. OKAY. CERTAINLY GLAD TO SEE A BETTER LOOKING, UM, SITE PLAN AND BUILDING THAN WHAT, THAN IS WHAT'S THERE NOW. SO I WILL SAY THAT, SO CURRENTLY THE FRONTAGE DOES HAVE A PORTION OF GUARDRAIL AS WELL. 'CAUSE THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DROP WITH HOW IT IS CURRENTLY ORIENTED WITH HOW CLOSE THAT PARKING IS TO THE STREET. SO THAT'S PART OF, PART OF WHY WE'RE FURTHER BACK INTO THE SITE AS WELL IS WE'LL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SMOOTH THAT OUT. IT, THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR GUARD, THERE WON'T BE THAT STEEP TRANSITION ANYMORE. AND THAT'S ALSO CREATING THE SPACE UP FRONT THAT WHEN WE GO BACK TO MY PLAN, THAT YOU'LL SEE AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPE ALONG THE FRONTAGE. SO, UM, REALLY I THINK, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S, IT'S THE BEST LOOKING FRONTAGE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? UH, WITH WHAT'S OUT THERE. WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GET RID OF THE BILLBOARD, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THAT OR THE, THE OVERHEAD POWER POLES. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO REALLY GET IT UP TO THE, UP TO THE SPEED OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTED MORE RECENTLY TO YOUR ALL STANDARDS. SO, UM, THAT HERE'S THE EXISTING IN FRONT FIRST [01:35:01] DONE. YES. THIS IS THE OFFICE BUILDING OR RETAIL BOOST THING NEXT TO IT. SO, YEP. SO THAT, THAT'S THE ONE TO OUR SOUTHEAST THAT'S EXISTING A DIFFERENT DATE. SEE IF THERE'S A WILSON ARE YOU IN, UH, NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE BILLBOARD MAN, UH, BILLBOARD COMPANY TO PUT SEVEN BREWS UP THERE? WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A FEW LOCATIONS. UM, YEAH. HAVE, HAVE REACHED OUT TO THAT. MAYBE GO , GO DOWN THE STREET. GO WEST. YES. THERE YOU GO. GO WEST. YEP. SO THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR PAGE, BOTTOM RIGHT PROPERTY CORNER THERE WITH WHERE THE UM, WOW GUARDRAIL STARTS WHERE THAT, UM, FIRE HYDRANT IS JUST OFF OF OUR PROPERTY ON THE NEIGHBORS. YOU GOING WITH THE SHELL. THAT'S, THAT'S OUR NEIGHBOR'S, UH, FIRE, FIRE METER VAULT AND EVERYTHING THAT'S RIGHT THERE BEHIND THAT FIRE HYDRANT. YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT VIEW. SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME LANDSCAPE THERE, BUT IT'S ALMOST IN THE SIDE SLOPE REALLY MORE SO THAN PRESENTING UP FRONT. UM, JOEL SCROLL BACK TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE SHELF. THANK YOU THERE. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHERE, SEE IF THERE'S ANY REPETITION FROM EXISTING STREETSCAPING THAT GOES THROUGH HERE, WHICH IS THE STANDALONE SECTION, DANONE SECTION SECTION. GENERALLY I'LL TRY TO MATCH WHAT'S AROUND US. THERE'S A VARIETY OF THINGS. SO TO YOUR POINT, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PERFECTLY MATCH EVERYBODY, BUT ULTIMATELY, AND THIS IS A GOOD OF WHAT I DESCRIBED AS IT RELATES TO THE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S KIND OF A, A NONS STRIPED CROSSWALK FADING STRIPING THERE RIGHT NOW. SO THAT IS PART OF WHAT'S GONNA BE SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVED HERE IS CREATING THAT CROSSWALK WITH THE REFUGE ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE, GOOD NEW A DA RAMPS AT EITHER SIDE WITH DETECTABLE WARNING STRIPS AND THEN CONNECTING THAT SIDE IF YOU TURN AND LOOK BACK TOWARDS OUR, THE OTHER DIRECTION ON OUR FRONTAGE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. OKAY. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT SIDEWALK DOESN'T EVEN ACTUALLY EVEN CONNECT AND CONTINUE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE GUARDRAIL. SO GUARDRAIL COMES OUT, THAT SECTION OF SIDEWALK GETS REMOVED AND REPLACED. SO NOW YOU'VE GOT CONNECTIVITY FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST WITH A SAFE CROSSWALK WITH A DA COMPLIANT RAMPS. AND THEN THAT SIDEWALK ALSO CONTINUES AS WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN BACK ALONG OUR BUILDING ON THE LEFT SIDE AND AROUND TO THE, UM, TO THE TOP SIDE, WHICH IS OF COURSE ALLOWS FOR THOSE FEW FOLKS WHO ARE WALKING ALONG AND DECIDE THEY WANNA STOP IN FOR A COFFEE. SO YOU, YOU ARE ABLE TO REMOVE THAT GUARDRAIL? YES. IS THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE LESSENING THE SLOPE? YES, IT CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY THEIR CLEAR ZONE IS NOT TO GDO STANDARDS AS IT RELATES TO THE SLOPE THERE. THAT'S WHY THEY PUT THE GUARDRAIL IN. SO ONCE AGAIN, REALLY WITH WHERE THAT, UM, CURRENT, WHERE THOSE, THOSE, UH, WHEEL STOPS IN THAT CURB LINE IS, I MEAN THAT'S PROBABLY 12 FEET, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE , BEYOND THE ROAD LINEAGE RIGHT THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, I WANT TO SAY 20, 25 FEET, UM, TO THE VERY CLOSEST POINT ON THE SOUTH END OF OUR, OUR DRIVE-THROUGH LANE THERE. SO WE'LL BE CREATING SOME SPACE AND FLATTENING IT OUT. CAN YOU ZOOM OUT JUST A TINY BIT ON THAT VIEW OR, OR STEP BACK? YEAH. SO YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE, THE MEDIAN, THE CROSSWALK AS WELL? CORRECT. GOT IT. SORRY, THE . ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SWAP ME BACK THIS ON AND ONCE AGAIN, BEAR WITH ME. YOU'VE GOT A CIVIL ENGINEER DESCRIBING LANDSCAPE, SO I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO TOO MUCH MORE DETAIL, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP ON ANY QUESTIONS THAT DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC ANSWER FOR. BUT ULTIMATELY THIS IS A, A SITE PLAN THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH, UH, SEVERAL ROUNDS WORKING WITH STAFF TO TRY TO CREATE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BEST KIND OF STREETS SCAPE FEEL POSSIBLE. UM, WE'VE GOT A PERIMETER LANDSCAPE STRIPS THAT WE'RE ADHERING TO. SO THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE PLAINTIFFS THAT YOU SEE ALONG THE PERIMETER IN THOSE LANDSCAPE STRIPS. WE ARE HAVING TO NAVIGATE THAT EXISTING, UH, SANITARY SEWER LINE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN CHALLENGES AS IT RELATES TO PLACEMENT OF LANDSCAPE ON THIS ONE. UM, THAT IS A FULTON COUNTY SEWER LINE. SO THAT'S ANOTHER GROUP THAT WE'VE SPOKEN WITH. OH WELL THAT DOESN'T HELP. SORRY, I GOT IT IN TIME. UM, SO , SO WE'RE NAVIGATING, WE'RE NAVIGATING THAT EXISTING SEWER. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY AS YOU CAN SEE THE FOCUS IS ON, UM, THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPE. UM, I DO THINK YOU'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER, UH, VIEW FROM BASICALLY EVERY ANGLE, INCLUDING IF YOU'RE COMING IN FROM STATE BRIDGE, WIND, THE REAR THROUGH THAT OUT, UH, THROUGH THAT OTHER CUT THROUGH. UM, AND THEN AS I MENTIONED, THE ONLY THING THAT, JUST SPEAKING TOWARDS THE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT THAT MAY CHANGE ON THIS IS THE INCORPORATION OF BY RETENTION AREAS TO ADHERE TO THE STORM WATER ORDINANCE. UM, IF ANYTHING, THOSE TEND TO BE, YOU KNOW, REALLY NICE LANDSCAPE FEATURES IN AND OF THEMSELVES. AND THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT HERE, FRANKLY. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT [01:40:01] ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT RIGHT NOW LOOKS A LITTLE BIT SPARSE AND THAT'S 'CAUSE I HAVE KIND OF EARMARKED THAT TO PUT SOME ADDITIONAL DESIGN INTO FOR THE, UH, STORM WATER. BUT THOSE STORM WATER, THOSE BIO RETENTION PONDS ALSO INCLUDE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING IN THEM TYPICALLY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE A, IT'S NOT LIKE A DRY POND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS TYPICALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE A LANDSCAPE BED WHEN IT'S COMPLETE. ALL OF THE STORM WATER IS SUBSURFACE TO THAT. UM, WILLIAM, WOULD YOU JUST KINDA WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THE LANDSCAPE MATERIALS? UH, MAYBE START WITH, UH, KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD? YES. THE, THE KIND OF THE STREET SCAPE THAT'S ALONG THERE. YEP. SO WE'VE GOT THE KIMBALL'S UP, RIGHT? NO KIMBALL'S DAM KIMBLE TO THE PAGE, RIGHT? OR OR STATE BRIDGE. SOUTHEAST SIDE STATE BRIDGE, YES. SORRY, MY APOLOGIES. STREET NEIGHBORHOODS. LET'S START WITH STATE BRIDGE. I APOLOGIZE. I NEED TO GET ZOOMED IN HERE. MY NEW GLASSES ARE APPARENTLY NOT SHARP ENOUGH BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING IT SAYS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS MINIMUM 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG STATE BRIDGE ROAD SHALL INCLUDE A MINIMUM TWO FOOT HIGH BERM AND OR DECORATIVE KNEE WALL WITH TREES AND SHRUBS AS APPROVED BY DRB. SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A LOT OF THE TOPIC AS IT RELATES TO THIS FRONTAGE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THIS AREA WITH THE SANITARY SEWER THAT BASICALLY RUNS WHERE THAT LANDSCAPE STRIP WOULD NATURALLY BE. WE CAN'T TYPICALLY PLANT ON TOP OF THAT. WE CAN PLANT BEHIND IT. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S VERY LITTLE SPACE BETWEEN OUR ACTUAL, YOU CAN PLANT IT, YOU CAN'T PLANT IT WITH TREES. TREES. WELL, AND AND THAT'S PART OF WHERE WE'VE GOT THE TREES ON THE KIND OF THE BACK EDGE OF THAT VERSUS THE SHRUBS THAT ARE CLOSER, PARDON ME, THE SHRUBS THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE LINE ITSELF. SO PROPERTY LINE IS RIGHT JUST BACK A SIDEWALK? CORRECT. THE DASH DOUBLE DASH, YES. THAT'S THE DOUBLE DASH LINE, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. SO I MEAN WE, AND AND I DO THINK TO THAT POINT, PART OF THE, UM, CONDITION THAT, THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, IT MAY BE REDISTRIBUTING SOME OF THIS TO RIGHT BEHIND THE SIDEWALK, UM, SO THAT WE CAN CREATE THAT. SO WHAT'S THE ELEVATION WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH GOES THROUGH AS OPPOSED TO SIDEWALK? IT'S, I DON'T HAVE MY GRADING PLAN IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT'S PLUS OR MINUS THREE FEET DOWN. OH, THAT'S ALL. OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN IT, IT LOOKS MORE SUBSTANTIAL IN THE STREET VIEWER WE'RE LOOKING AT 'CAUSE IT'S SO STEEP. UM, BUT I THINK THE INTENT OF THE CONDITION IS TO BRING THAT BERM BECAUSE YOU CAN BERM THAT EASEMENT AS WELL. CORRECT. THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THAT INTENT IS TO BURN THAT CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALK AND PLANT THAT CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALK. THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE CONDITION. I UNDERSTAND IT. SO I THINK YOU CAN BRING YOUR SREBRO OUT THAT WAY. YEAH, I MEAN I DON'T, I DON'T TREAT IT. YOU CAN IF YOU GOT THE OVERHEAD UP ABOVE IT. YEAH, I THINK I, I WILL SAY THERE IS THAT OVERHEAD LINE, BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT'S, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH SHRUBS. RIGHT. SO ESPECIALLY WITH THE SECOND PART OF THAT CONDITION SAYS BERM KNEE WALL BERM SLASH KNEE WALL AND SHRUB SHALL SCREEN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES AND PARKING FROM STATE BRIDGE ROAD. SO YES, I WOULD THINK CLOSER, CLOSER TO THE ROAD YOU GET THAN, BECAUSE THAT'S THE HIGHER THE ELEVATION TOO. SO IT MAKES GET A BETTER SCREENING. AND I'M NOT REALLY SEEING A BERM REFLECTED IN THE GRADING THAT DOWN HERE. I DON'T, ARE WE, ARE YOU ACHIEVING A BERM ALONG THE FRONTAGE? WE, SO THIS IS WHERE I'LL GET INTO THE CIVIL SIDE FOR A SECOND. THE WAY I TYPICALLY LOOK AT IT IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT AN ELEVATION CHANGE WHERE YOU'RE COMING DOWN INTO THE SITE COMING UP TO CREATE, THAT CAN CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT CAN SOLVE. AS YOU SAW, WE, WE DO WANT TO CREATE, CREATE A FLATTER SPACE THERE. SO IDEALLY WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE THE EFFECT OF GREATER THAN A 10 FOOT OR A TWO FOOT BERM BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT THREE FEET OF FALL THERE. REALISTICALLY, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE OF LIKE A ONE FOOT RISE DOWN AND THEN DOWN A FOUR FOOT SLOPE. 'CAUSE ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS GOING TO CREATE MORE SCREENING THAN A FLAT TWO FOOT BURN WOOD. BUT I THINK IF WE, IF WE NEED, IF WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE TO DO TWO FOOT, BRING THOSE SHRUBS CLOSER TO THE STREET, TRY AND BURN IT AS BEST YOU CAN. I UNDERSTAND THE THREE FOOT DROP, BUT I THINK THE INTENT, THE CONDITIONAL, THE INTENT IS TO SCREEN THE DRIVEWAY AND, AND, AND THAT'S THAT. YES SIR. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YOU NEED TO DO THAT BY BRINGING EVERYTHING FORWARD TO THAT SIDEWALK. AND THEN I THINK WE CAN CHECK THAT BOX. YEAH, WELL AND ALSO ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE. 'CAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE, UM, MEETING THE INTENT OF THE CONDITION TO REALLY HAVE A FULLY LANDSCAPE 20 FOOT STRIP, UM, WITH JUST TWO ROWS OF, OF SHRUBS THERE. I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD GOOD POINT. SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT WITH STAFF AND STAFF, OUR STAFF MEETING. UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE 'EM A LITTLE BIT OF RELIEF FROM THE REQUIREMENT OF THE LANDSCAPE STRIP BEING OUTSIDE ANY EASEMENT BECAUSE [01:45:01] OF ALL OF THE EASEMENTS THAT ARE ALONG FRONT THERE. SO I THINK IT'S A, WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION FROM DRB TO ENHANCE THAT LANDSCAPING IN THAT AREA. NOT NECESSARILY CALL IT THE LANDSCAPE STRIP, BUT ENHANCE IT OUT IN THAT AREA. 'CAUSE THAT WAS SORT OF STAFF'S FEELINGS, BUT WE, WE HAVE TO PUSH IT BACK BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT. SO IF YOU BRING IT OUT TO THE STREET, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S, THAT'S A BETTER BENEFIT. AND IF I MAY CLARIFY AS WELL, I THINK AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS EVERYONE CAN WORK WITH US TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WON'T BE A CONTINUOUS 20 FEET BECAUSE OF THAT SEWER AND WHERE IT FALLS. UM, THERE IS NOT 20 FEET BETWEEN OUR FRONTAGE AND THAT SEWER LINE. RIGHT. SO THAT WAS PART OF THE INTENT OF BRINGING IT BACK IN THERE WAS TO CREATE THAT MORE CONTINUOUS. BUT TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IF WE CAN WORK, WHETHER IT ENDS UP BEING IN FRONT AND BEHIND, WE CAN CREATE A TOTAL 20 FEET OF, OF LANDSCAPE. WE HAVE MORE SPACE THAN THAT BETWEEN US AND THE BUILDING. BUT I JUST CREATE A SOLID 20 FEET, IF THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'LL BE STAFF'S, STAFF'S ABILITY TO WORK THROUGH THAT. I THINK WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS POTENTIALLY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF SOD YES. THAT'S OUT THERE. AND, AND AGAIN, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE MORE LANDSCAPE, BUT I THINK IT OUR, I MEAN OUR, OUR INTENT IS TO CREATE A, A REALLY NICE FRONTAGE HERE, RIGHT? IT'S ALL CURB APPEAL FOR STUFF LIKE THIS. SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT. SO IN, IN DOING ALL THIS LANDSCAPE WELL IS THE SITE GONNA BE IRRIGATED? I WOULD, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I WOULD THINK WITH THIS MUCH WE WOULD BE, TREES HAVE. OKAY. WELL I'M THINKING ABOUT THE SHRUBBERY TOO. DOESN'T HAVE OKAY. EVEN OVER AN EASEMENT AREA. ESPECIALLY OVER AN EASEMENT AREA. OKAY. WELL, AND I THINK JUST OVERALL, I'VE GOT MAJOR CONCERNS WITH THE PLANT PALATE IN GENERAL THAT THAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN. UM, I THINK FOR MAYBE A NON-COMMERCIAL APPLICATION, SOME OF THESE WOULD BE BETTER. UM, IN PARTICULAR, LIKE WE'VE GOT THE SUGAR MAPLE SHOWING UP IN THE PARKING LOT ISLANDS. THOSE ARE JUST GONNA GET TOASTED WITH THE RADIANT HEAT. UM, IN THIS ZONE, UM, WE ARE SHOWING RED BUD UNDER THE, THE POWER LINES, UM, WHICH WOULD BE A GOOD OPTION. UM, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UM, HEALTH ISSUES WITH RED BUDS LATELY AND AVAILABILITY ISSUES. WE JUST CAN'T FIND THEM. SO WE MIGHT LOOK, UH, TO, TO FIND ANOTHER UNDERSTORY TREE, ANOTHER NATIVE UNDERSTORY TREE IN THAT AREA. UM, AND THEN SOME OF YOUR SHRUBS, WE'VE GOT BOXWOOD JUST COME IN BOXWOOD, UM, ALL OVER THE SITE. I THINK THAT THERE ARE BETTER CHOICES THAT WE COULD MAKE FOR THIS KIND OF TOUGH COMMERCIAL SETTING THAT WE HAVE HERE. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL APPLICATION. UM, WE'VE GOT MONDO GRASS IN THE ISLANDS, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE GONNA REQUIRE FULL SHADE. THOSE WILL JUST GET, THEY'LL BE DEAD ALMOST IMMEDIATELY I FEEL LIKE IN THAT, IN THAT SPACE. UM, SO I THINK JUST IN GENERAL, I THINK THAT A LOT OF THESE PLANT SELECTIONS, UM, BUT NORTHERN RED OAK, WELL AND THE NORTHERN RED OAK, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT ONE. UH, BUT SO WE GOT, YEAH, I WOULD JUST MAYBE EXAMINE THIS PLANT PILOT FOR, FOR THE COMMERCIAL SETTING THAT, THAT WE HAVE HERE. WELL, AND ONCE AGAIN, SPEAKING AS A NON LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, SO BEAR WITH ME. I, I HAZARD GUESS YOU PROBABLY ACTUALLY HAVE A BETTER HANDLE ON SOME OF THESE THAN I DO. BUT I SAY THAT TO SAY WE ACTUALLY HAVE KIND OF SHARED THIS WITH DAVID, GOTTEN SOME PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK. SO OUR INTENT REALLY, UH, WAS TO CAPTURE WHERE THESE PLANTS NEED TO GO AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CREATE THAT SCREENING EFFECT. BUT TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T THINK, I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THERE, THERE'S NOT A SEVEN BREW, WE NEED IT TO BE A RED MAPLE STANDARD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. SO I THINK ANY OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD TO TAKE IN AND WORK TOWARDS AND, AND WE'D INTEND TO REALLY PROVIDE, UM, WHATEVER THE, THE CITY FEELS IS MOST APPROPRIATE BASED ON THOSE INDIVIDUAL OCCASIONS. 'CAUSE TO YOUR POINT, I KNOW I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TURN OFF MY IRRIGATION FOR LIKE A MONTH RIGHT, RIGHT NOW. SO , IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT CLIMATE THAN YOU KNOW, BUT I, AND A LOT OF US GREW UP IN NOW IN GEORGIA FOR SURE. SO KEEPING THESE THINGS ALIVE, I'VE GOT KEEP ON HERE. UM, THE, AT THE BUILDING WHERE THE COOLER IS, I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA ZOOM BACK NOW. MAYBE NEED BEEF UP YOUR PLANTING IN FRONT OF THAT. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING THE RIGHT THERE? THIS AREA HERE. THAT BUILDING, YES. YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO BEEF THAT UP AND DO, DO YOUR BEST TO SCREEN THAT END VIEW FROM STATE BRIDGE. UM, I DON'T THINK THE, THE PLANTING THERE IS ADEQUATE. I THINK YOU'VE GOT A BILLION BOXWOOD BOXWOOD. [01:50:01] SO IT'S WRAPPED THEM WITH BUILDING, UM, PAT, LEMME READ I'M, I'M CONFUSED BY SCREEN IT, YOU KEEP IT UP TO IT'S, IT'S NOT THE GREATEST ELEVATION FROM STATE BRIDGE. OKAY. THAT BLANK WALL. SO THE PLANTING NEEDS TO BETTER SCREEN THAT BUILDING SIDE BECAUSE IT JUST, IT'S BASICALLY JUST FAKE BRICK WINDOWS. YEAH. MAYBE A LITTLE MORE VERTICAL. THOSE ARE ALL VERY LOW GROWING SHRUBS WITH THAT THE FOUNDATION THERE ON THE FRONTAGE. I, I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH THAT. IS THERE A SIGN ON THAT BUILDING EDGE? IT'S ON THE, UM, IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON THE SECOND, THE HIGHER PORTION. SO, SO YEAH, THAT, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS WE JUST, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OF COURSE, THAT THAT STAYS VISIBLE, BUT I THINK THERE, THERE WILL ALSO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A SCREENING EFFECT ONCE AGAIN FROM THE, JUST THE ELEVATION ITSELF VERSUS PUTTING THE PLANTS UP FRONT. SO IT MAY BE ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE START TO LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR I CAN WRAP THAT BERM AS IT FOLLOWS THE SIDEWALK, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SURE. TO CREATE, TO HELP, TO HELP WITH THE, AND THEN JUST MOVING ON BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET THIS DONE. SORRY PAT, LET ME SAY THIS. ONE OF THE COUNCIL CONDITIONS WAS FOUNDATION PLANS SHALL BE REQUIRED ON THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING AS APPROVED BY DRB. YEP. SO IT DOES SAY FOUNDATION PLAN. THAT'S WHAT I'M WORKING AT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN SCROLL UP TO THE TOP AGAIN. I'M GONNA LOOK AT TREES 13 AND 16 AND AGAIN. ALRIGHT. CAN YOU CIRCLE WHICH ONES ARE 13 AND 16 FOR? I'M GONNA HAVE TO RECORD, SEE NOW. ZOOM IN, KEEP NOW GO RIGHT THIRTEEN'S RIGHT THERE, RIGHT AT THE DARK. THERE YOU GO. 13 AND 16. ARUM POOR CONDITION. 16 IS A 16 IS THE ONE WE WERE LOOKING AT. AGAIN, YOU'RE SHOWING LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE AND, AND I UNDERSTAND LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE, LIMITS OF CONSTRUCTION. I UNDERSTAND THE TERMINOLOGY AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING. I DON'T THINK EITHER OF THOSE ARE GONNA MAKE IT SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE USING THEM FOR YOUR DENSITY CALCS OR WHATEVER. YOU CAN'T USE THE, CAN'T USE THE 13 BUT MAYBE USING 16. BUT ANYWAY, I I JUST DON'T THINK THOSE ARE GONNA MAKE IT. I I HESITATE TO SAY THIS WITH CONFIDENCE 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS SINCE THE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE ONES WE WERE TRYING TO SAY WE'RE SOMEWHAT AT IN COORDINATION WITH, WITH CITY ARBOR TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A FAIR CONDITION OR BETTER, LET'S MAKE A REASONABLE ATTEMPT TO, TO KEEP IT. BUT I, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU SIR , I'VE CERTAINLY FOUND IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT IF IT'S EVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE, SOMETIMES THAT'S FAIR GAME DEPENDING ON THE CONTRACTOR AND MAYBE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE SYMBOLS IN YOUR LINE WORK THERE IS THE TREE SAFE FENCE. I DON'T KNOW AROUND THE, AROUND THE ROOT ZONE. I'M NOT SURE. YEAH, THAT IS, THAT IS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE WITH THE DASH T LINE. NOW OBVIOUSLY THIS IS KIND OF AN ALL-IN-ONE PHASE PLAN VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION PHASE PLAN. RIGHT. COME BACK. OKAY. ANY OTHER, UH, LANDSCAPING QUESTIONS ITEMS FOR THE APPLICANT? SORRY TO RUSH ALONG. I JUST THINK IT'S, WE CAN PUSH THROUGH A LITTLE PORTION. OKAY. ONE LAST ITEM WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS THE SITE LIGHTING. I KNOW THERE'S A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN SOMEWHERE IN THE APPLICATION, SO LET'S JUST TAKE A, A QUICK LOOK AT THAT PLEASE. THE ONE THAT'S GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF NUMBERS ON. HERE WE GO. OKAY. WHICH, UH, ARE YOU REUSING ANY OF THE EXISTING LIGHT STANDARDS OR THIS, IS THIS ALL NEW? THIS WOULD BE ALL NEW. ALL NEW. OKAY. AND THEN DO WE HAVE INFORMATION ON YOUR, LET'S SEE, DO WE HAVE IN INFORMATION ON THE PARTICULAR TYPES OF LIGHT STANDARDS OR LIGHT POLES? UH, DID YOU HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE SUBMITTAL? NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE WE DID. WHAT'S IN THAT DETAIL AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE RIGHT THERE? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING DO HERE. SCHEDULE. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR COLOR? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SIZE, SHAPE, WHAT WHAT OF, LET'S SEE, HEIGHT. DO YOU HAVE A, DO YOU HAVE A EXAMPLE? [01:55:01] A PICTURE OF THE PICTURES WORTH THOUSAND, RIGHT. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT AN SSS POLE WAS. PRETTY SURE IT'S RENDERING RENDERINGS. NOT FROM WHAT I RECALL. TYPICALLY WE'RE LOOKING MAKE SURE LIGHT IS NOT SPILLING OVER ONTO ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES. YOU CAN TELL THAT BY THE, IF YOU SEE THE PERIMETER SORT OF LINE THERE INDICATING THE 0.2 0.1 THAT'S SHOWING THE, THE EDGE OF THE LIGHT. CORRECT? YES. UH, RECOGNIZE THAT. JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW WELL YOUR LIGHT STANDARDS OR FIXTURES MATCHED SOME OF YOUR BUILDING LIGHTING. THAT'S A FIXTURE. OH, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OH, THAT'S, NO, THAT'S DSX NOT SSS . I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT ITS, IT'S DS OH IS IT? OKAY. VERY GOOD. OKAY. D OKAY. THANK YOU ERIC FOR THAT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. OKAY. OOPS. ALRIGHT, ANYTHING, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THIS MORNING? UM, I WILL ASK THIS. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT. NO, NO PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL SAY I HEARD YOU ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT TIME. YOU DID? OKAY. LOUD AND CLEAR. OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT KICKING IN. WE GOT THE SITE PLAN TO REVIEW OR DO SOMETHING WITH. WE'VE GOT LANDSCAPING PLAN TO DO SOMETHING WITH. WE'VE GOT THE EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS OF MATERIALS, NO SIGNAGE TODAY. SO AND, AND THE PHOTOMETRICS. YEAH, WE HAD NO COMMENTS ON THE SITE PLAN IN PARTICULAR. RIGHT. I THINK THE SITE PLAN WAS, AT LEAST I DIDN'T CAPTURE IT. I THINK THE ONLY CONCERN ON THE SITE PLAN WAS WHEN, WHEN DELIVERY TRUCKS OR NO TRASH FOLKS COME IN, HOW THEY, BUT THAT'S UM, ALRIGHT, SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PARTICULAR CONDITIONS ON THAT, I'M GONNA COMBINE A COUPLE OF THINGS. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN REGARDING DRB 2 6 0 0 2 1 7 BREW COFFEE 11 3 78 STATE BRIDGE ROAD MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN AND ELEVATION OF MATERIALS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE WILL BE BBR THE BR ONE BRICK AT THE BASE AND BR TWO ABOVE SAME AS THE BUILDING. THE GATE WILL BE A METAL GATE INSTEAD OF THE CEDAR THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF. THE FAUX WINDOWS ON THE BUILDING WILL ELIMINATE THE MIRE CORNERS ON THE FRAME TO MIMIC THE FULL BRICK HEADER THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE ON BRICKED IN WINDOWS. AND THE INFILL WILL BE IN A HERRING BONE PATTERN. APPLICANT WILL ADD BRICK COLUMN BASES USING THE BBR ONE BRICK ON THE DRIVE THROUGH COLUMNS. THE SOFFITS, INCLUDING THE DRIVE THROUGH, WILL USE A FAUX WOOD GRAIN MATERIAL WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF. THE GROUT FOR THE BR ONE BRICK WILL BE IN THE ULTRA DARK AND THE BR TWO WILL BE THE WHITE GROUT AS SHOWN THE ELECTRICAL ENCLOSURE WILL USE A METAL GATE, NOT CEDAR, WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF. END OF MOTION. SECOND. ALRIGHT, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SWING, SECOND BY MR. OWENS. WELL DONE. MR. SWING, I MISS ANYTHING? OKAY. NO, IT'S UH, UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR? SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN AND EX AND ELEVATION MATERIALS. YES. EXTRA ELEVATIONS OF MATERIALS. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY COMMENTS? WELL, THERE BEING NONE. I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. ALL OPPOSED NO OPPOSITION. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WE STILL HAVE, UM, SITE LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING TO DO PLEASE, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING DRB 2 6 0 0 2 1 7 [02:00:01] BREW COFFEE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THE LANDSCAPE BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE DISCUSSED TODAY. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. MOTION BY SPRAYBERRY. SECOND BY SWING COMMENT, CAN YOU GIVE ME A, UM, A BREAKDOWN OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS? 'CAUSE I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE WHOLE THING. YES. UH, LET'S SEE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE EXACT RIGHT OVERALL. OKAY. I THINK WE DISCUSSED, UM, THE PLANT PT IN GENERAL MAYBE USING PLANT MATERIAL THAT'S A LITTLE MORE SUITED TO A COMMERCIAL SETTING. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP. UM, AND YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZING THE SCREENING TO THE PARKING BY USING THE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUILDING FRONTAGE ON STATE BRIDGE ROAD, ADDING A LITTLE MORE VERTICAL, UM, SCREENING PLANTINGS TO THAT, THAT SIDE. UM, AND THEN JUST REINVESTIGATING THE, UM, FEASIBILITY OF SOME OF THE TREE SAVIORS THAT WERE BEING SHOWN AND THEN FILLING THAT LANDSCAPE IF THOSE HAVE TO BE REMOVED. ALSO, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON THE BUYER RETENTION AREA THAT MAY COME INTO PLACE. SO I THINK WE'D LIKE TO REVIEW THOSE PLANTINGS AS WELL. UM, JENNIFER, WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY THAT MAYBE LOOKING AT SOME MORE DROUGHT TOLERANT MATERIALS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE OR YES, OR I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT. TEMPERATURE SENSITIVE OR A LITTLE MORE HEARTY, LESS DISEASE PRONE. THAT'S WHAT I'M A LITTLE MORE SUITABLE FOR. JUST I THINK THE COMMERCIAL SETTING. OKAY. INSTEAD OF LIKE A RESIDENTIAL. ALRIGHT. AND WE DID, I MEAN YOU MENTIONED THE STATE BRIDGE ROAD, YOU TALKED ABOUT MOVING LANDSCAPE STRIP OUT TO THE SIDEWALK AND BI IT A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? WELL I THINK THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT, UM, THEY, IT WASN'T TECHNICALLY A BERM BUT IT WAS RAISED AND BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CHANGE IN GRADE THAT IF WE MOVE THE LANDSCAPE TO THE, THE HIGHER END UP TO KIND OF THE SIDEWALK AREA THAT'S HIGHER AND SO YOU WOULD ACHIEVE BETTER SCREENING. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, IT WAS MAINLY MOVING IT TO THE SIDEWALK WAS THE, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ACHIEVING THE SAME EFFECT, UM, BECAUSE THE SITE SITS LOWER. OKAY. I THINK FOR YOU GUYS, ONE THING THAT MIGHT HELP THAT IS WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH LANDSCAPE IS TO SORT OF BRING A SECTION OF THAT SO YOU CAN KIND OF SHOW STREET SIDEWALK. OKAY. SECOND ? YES. THE SECOND. WHAT WAS MR. SWING? OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? DO YOU NEED ANY NO. MR. CHAIRMAN MOTION REGARDING THE SAME APPLICANT TO APPROVE THE SITE LIGHTING AS SUBMITTED AND A MOTION SECOND. OKAY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND [3. DRB260019     Madewell Homes     255 Milton Ave review new construction] END OUR RECESS AND GET STARTED WITH OUR NEXT APPLICANT THIS MORNING. AND THAT WILL BE 2 55 MILTON AVENUE. GOOD MORNING. WELCOME. THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL, UM, MAKE SURE YOU'RE SPEAKING IN THE MICROPHONE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET OF THE DAY, PLEASE. WELL, GOOD MORNING TO ALL OF YOU AND THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. UM, MY NAME IS RE YOUNG. I'M WITH MADEWELL BUILDERS OF FINE HOMES AND WE HAVE THE, UH, PRIVILEGE TO REPRESENT JENNIFER AND LEE DIAMOND ON 2 55 MILTON AVENUE. AND, UM, PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME TUDOR STYLE HOME. UM, GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS WITH BOTH THE PLANNING, UM, COMMITTEE AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL. UM, HAVE EVERYTHING PRETTY WELL WRAPPED UP. WE'RE JUST RARING TO GO AS SOON AS WE, UH, HOPEFULLY MAKE IT THROUGH THIS THIS MORNING. AND, UM, DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO, TO JUMP INTO, BUT, UM, HAPPY TO DO MY BEST TO ANSWER. WHY DON'T YOU PULL UP, IF YOU'LL PULL UP YOUR APPLICATION, UM, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, YOU HAVE SOMETHING PLUGGED IN OR WE DO NOT. YOU DO NOT. NO SIR. ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME NAVIGATION HELP BY MR. SCHROEDER ABOUT THE ONLY THING I HAVE, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME PRINTED PIECES IF, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WORKING. YOU MIND DOES BRETT, SORRY ABOUT THAT GUYS. , AND THIS, WE PROBABLY JUST START WITH LIKE A SITE PLAN. TORI, IF YOU CAN START WITH A SITE PLAN FOR US JUST TO GET US ORIENTED AND WHERE THE HOME IS ON THE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND [02:05:11] FOOTBALL. FOOTBALL. WE GOT THAT. ARE YOU, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING DIGITAL. YEP. JOEL, CAN YOU IT'S WORKING ON IT. UM, OKAY, THERE WE GO. OOPS. LITTLE UH, OOH. EITHER IT WORKS BETTER WHEN MY GLASSES ARE OFF. . OH, THERE WE, OKAY. BETTER. ALL RIGHT. BETTER. OKAY. YEAH, JUST WALK US THROUGH WHERE THE HOME, THE, THE ORIENTATION OF THE HOME AND WHERE MILTON AVENUE IS AND HOW THINGS ARE LOOKING ON THE SITE, PLEASE. YES. SO, UM, MILTON AVENUE AND I'M SORRY TORY, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. SO TORY, IS THAT A STREAM BUFFER BACK? WHAT'D YOU SAY? IS THAT A STREAM BUFFER IN BACK? WHAT'D YOU JUST SAY? A STREAM BUFFER IN OH YES IT IS. I'M SORRY. SO YOU NEVER DO HOMES THAT DON'T HAVE STREAM BUFFER? NO. . WE, WE LOVE COMPLICATED. IT WORKS OUT REALLY WELL. UH, MILTON AVENUE IS UP HERE. OBVIOUSLY THE HOUSE IS ORIENTED TO MILTON AVENUE. UM, AND, UH, MR. PAT'S, UH, KEEN OBSERVATION THERE. WE DO HAVE A STREAM BUFFER RIGHT HERE. UH, WE HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY, UH, THROUGH THAT WITH, UM, STAFF AND SPECIFICALLY MS. JILL AND, UM, HAVE FINALLY LANDED ON A, A PLAN THAT WORKS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE STORM WATER AND, AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE, UM, PRETTY WELL EXHAUSTED ALL OF THE POINTS THAT THEY HAVE DISCUSSED WITH US AND JILL HAS BROUGHT TO US. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF RECAP, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THROUGH, UM, UM, CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL ON THE REZONING AND, UM, SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT ON THE, THE PLANS THAT, UM, I, I HAD A FEW OF THE PRINTOUTS THAT I PUT UP THERE FOR GUYS JUST TO BE ABLE TO SEE. UM, BUT YEAH, UM, DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE SITE PLAN, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT TORI, LET ME DO THIS. UH, THERE ARE COUNCIL CONDITIONS, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THOSE NOW. SO WE'RE KIND OF, UH, THINKING ABOUT THOSE AND PREPARED FOR THOSE. SO BEAR WITH ME HERE. AS I READ, THERE ARE FOUR COUNCIL CONDITIONS. FIRST, ARCHITECTURE AND MATERIALS SHALL BE DEVELOPED SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE RENDERING PREPARED BY, UH, DIANA BOLIVAR DATED 11 17 25, EXCEPT FOR MODIFICATIONS REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THESE CONDITIONS AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ALPHARETTA DOWNTOWN CODE AND DOWNTOWN CONSULTANTS. COMMENTS SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB HOMES SHALL HAVE FOUR CITED ARCHITECTURE AS APPROVED BY DRB. OKAY, THAT'S THE FIRST CONDITION. SECOND CONDITION FRONT YARD SHALL BE FRAMED WITH A DECORATIVE LOW WALL METAL FENCING OR HEDGE WITH MASONRY COLUMNS AS APPROVED BY DRB. THIRD, MINIMUM FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIPS SHALL BE PROVIDED ALONG THE EAST AND WEST PROPERTY LINES OF THE 1.34 ACRE PROPERTY AND PLANTED WITH A MIX OF EVERGREEN AND SHADE TREES AS APPROVED BY DRB. AND LASTLY, FENCES AND WALLS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SHALL BE DECORATIVE AND SHALL COMPLEMENT. EXTERIOR MATERIALS USED ON EACH HOME AS APPROVED BY DRB WALLS SHALL BE SUBSTANTIALLY AS DEPICTED ON THE GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLAN PREPARED BY ONSITE CIVIL GROUP DATED 11 18 25. AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH BUILDING SETBACKS, WALLS SHALL BE CLAD WITH DECORATIVE MATERIAL AND WALLS OVER SEVEN FEET TALL SHALL BE TIERED WITH A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT WIDE PLANTED LANDSCAPE BED BETWEEN AS APPROVED BY DRB. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. YES, SIR. OKAY, SO WHY DON'T WE TALK, LET'S SEE, WHILE WE'RE ON THE SITE PLAN, ARE THERE ANY, ANY, UH, LET'S SEE. WE'VE GOT A FRONT YARD SHALL BE FRAMED WITH A LOW DECORATIVE WALL IF YOU CAN OUTLINE THAT AND THEN EITHER FENCES OR WALLS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SURE. AND, UH, I DO HAVE OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HERE SO HE CAN BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BETTER. BUT AS FAR AS THE FRONT, UM, WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY DOING A WALL. WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING STONE COLUMNS WITH HEDGE IN BETWEEN THE STONE COLUMNS. THE STONE WILL MATCH THE, UH, ACTUAL, UM, HOUSE ITSELF. SO TORI, COULD YOU THEN USE A PENCIL OR [02:10:01] A POINTER AND SHOW WHERE ON THE SITE PLAN, FOR INSTANCE? YES, SIR. UM, IT WOULD AS WELL. YOU WANNA SPEAK INTO THAT MR. SCOTT? AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, OFFICER SCHROEDER JUST HANDED OUT SOMETHING TO US AS WELL, SO, OKAY. HELLO, I AM SCOTT MORRISEY. I'M LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH REESE HOOPS AND FINCHER AND I'M WORKING FOR MADEWELL ON THIS PROJECT. SO, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE, UH, CONDITIONS THAT WE ADDRESSED IN REGARDS TO THE NEEDING DRB APPROVAL. SO THE PLAN THAT YOU WERE JUST HANDED WAS MEANT TO BE A BLOW UP OF THE SITE PLAN, WHICH I THINK KIND OF ADDRESSES MORE SPECIFICALLY THE CONDITIONS, UM, STARTING AT THE ROAD AT MILTON AVENUE, THE REQUIREMENT OF A PLANT INTER STRIP. I'LL TELL YOU, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WHY DON'T YOU DO THIS WHILE YOU'RE TALKING, SCOTT, IF TORY CAN PULL UP OR YES, OR I'LL TRY TO DO BOTH. I'LL DO THE ALRIGHT. OKAY. THIS THING. CAN Y'ALL SEE ENOUGH? YES. VERY GOOD. YOU COULD PROBABLY SET THAT MIC DOWN. IT'LL, IT'LL DEFINITELY PICK YOUR, IT'LL PICK UP. THANK YOU. SO WHAT I WAS SAYING IS, UH, WHERE AM I? THERE'S MILTON AVENUE AND THE, UH, EXISTING CURB IS RIGHT HERE, OBVIOUSLY. SO THEN THE FIRST FIVE FEET OF BEHIND THE EXISTING CURB WILL BECOME A LANDSCAPE STRIP AND IT WAS MEANT TO BE LANDSCAPED WITH EVERGREEN GROUND COVER AND STREET TREES. SO WE ARE PROPOSING A COMBINATION OF CREEPING THRIFT AND I BELIEVE IT'S A ASIATIC JASMINE TRYING TO STAY LOW, UH, FROM A SITE DISTANCE STANDPOINT WHILE STILL MAINTAINING THE GROUND COVER. AND THE TREES WERE CHOSEN WERE ELM TREES KIND OF CONDUCIVE WITH THE SIMILAR TO STREET TREES IN DOWNTOWN ALPHARETTA AND TRYING TO MAINTAIN GOOD STREET SCAPE. THEN THE OTHER, UH, CONDITION WAS A, AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK, WHICH IS KIND OF SELF-EXPLANATORY. AND LET ME, LET ME UH, SAY ONE THING THAT, CAN YOU SEE WHERE MY PENCIL IS RIGHT HERE? YES. THIS HAPPENS TO BE A LARGE EXISTING RED MAPLE THAT ALL THROUGH STAFF REVIEW WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO RE TO PROTECT IT BECAUSE IN THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN LARGE CALIBER CANOPY TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE. SO WE'VE REALLY TRIED HARD TO DO THAT. WE, WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO DO IT, REALISTICALLY ABLE TO DO IT, WE'RE STAYING OUTTA THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONES AND WE'RE STAYING, I THINK DEFINITELY LESS THAN 20% IMPACT. SO THAT KIND OF, SO WE WERE A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE TRICKY IN THE GRADING UP HERE. THE SIDEWALK PLUS WE'RE HAVING TO TRANS TRANSITION AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK BACK TO AN EXISTING THREE OR FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK. SO WE HAD TO PULL A LITTLE BIT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE BACK HERE WHEN WE SET THIS, UH, COLUMN. SO BEHIND THE SIDEWALK BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE RIGHT OF WAY, THERE'S ABOUT TWO TO THREE FEET LEFT OVER AND THAT'S GONNA BE FILLED WITH BIG BLUE LEERY OPEN. ONCE AGAIN ANOTHER EVERGREEN GROUND COVER. AND THEN PER THE ZONING IT WAS MEANT TO BE A MASONRY COLUMN FENCE, ONE OF ONE OF THREE CHOICES. AND WE CHOSE THE MASONRY COLUMN, LIKE THREE FOOT COLUMN WITH A HEDGE THINKING THAT SENT. IT WAS KIND OF MORE RESIDENTIAL FEEL. AND SO WE HAVE THAT KIND OF DEPICTED IN THE RENDERING. YOU CAN'T SEE THE, THIS WAS MEANT TO BE SOMEWHAT OF A STREET SCAPE, WHICH I THINK KIND OF HELPS. AND YOU SEE THE LITTLE KIND OF WHITE COLUMNS THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A SENSE OF SCALE AND IN BETWEEN THE COLUMNS WOULD BE . SO THE MATERIALS ON THE COLUMNS, EXCUSE ME, WHAT IS THE MATERIALS ON THE COLUMNS? THE SAME STONE AS THE HOUSE BOTTOM. IS THAT BOTTOM LEFT? BOTTOM LEFT, YES. YEAH. OKAY. THIS TEXAS B. OKAY. AND THEN IT'S GOT A CAP? YES. YEAH. AND WHAT'S THE CAP? IT'S ON THERE. UM, ACTUALLY I CAN READ IT HERE. IT'S UM, THE, UH, SO UH, SONOMA CREAM LEAD STONE. OKAY. AND WHAT'S THE, IT'S JUST GONNA BE THE SAME MATERIAL. I BELIEVE THAT IS THE STONE. WE'LL JUST USE THE SAME, SAME AS THE HOUSE, RIGHT? YEAH. WE'LL STAY SUPER CONSISTENT. AND THEN, AND THEN WHAT'S THE HEDGE, UH, WIND AND JIM BOXWOOD? THE, UH, HEDGE IN THE COLUMNS ARE THE BEGINNING OF THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP. SO THE HEDGE [02:15:01] ARE THE SHRUBS FOR THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP. AND THEN BEHIND THE HEDGE WILL BECOME THE TREES THAT'S REQUIRED FOR 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP. AND THAT'S A COMBINATION OF OVERSTORY SHADE TREES USING NUT ALL OAKS. AND THEN WE THOUGHT IT'D BE NICE PLUS MR. SHOSTAK LIKES A LITTLE BIT OF DIVERSITY WHEN WE WERE INCLUDING, UM, SOME UNDERSTORY, CREPE MYRTLES IN BETWEEN THE OAK TREES. SO THE, THE CONDITION OF THE ZONING SAID TO UH, TRY TO BOUNCE AND FRAMED THE PROPERTY WITH THESE STONE COLUMNS, WHICH I LIKED THAT 'CAUSE OF THE EXISTING RED AND MAPLE AND LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMBALANCE TO DO IT ON THE RIGHT ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE. SO WE KIND OF PULL THE RIGHT SIDE IN AS WELL. PLUS THE TRANSITION OF THE EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK BACK INTO THE EXISTING FOREFOOT SIDEWALK CONDITION RIGHT HERE. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE SET THIS COLUMN OUTSIDE HERE AND THE OTHER COLUMN OUTSIDE HERE. AND THEN WE EQUALLY SPACED THE COLUMNS IN BETWEEN THE OTHER CONDITION OF ZONING THAT RELATES TO LANDSCAPING. SORRY, . THANK YOU. IT WAS A FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG THE EAST AND THE WEST PROPERTY LINES, WHICH ARE THE EAST PROPERTY LINE HERE AND THE WEST PROPERTY LINE HERE. SO WE'VE, WE PLANTED THEM PER THOSE CONDITION, WHICH IS A MIXTURE OF EVERGREEN AND SHADE TREES. WE'RE PROPOSING MAGNOLIAS AND UH, PRINCETON ELMS, I BELIEVE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND THE RIGHT CONTINUATION OF MAGNOLIAS. I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME OAKS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. SO WE WE'RE KIND OF PLEASED WITH THE LOOK. I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF AN EXISTING CONDITION, BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH A WOODED SITE AND UNDEVELOPED THE HOUSE ELEVATION WILL BE APPROXIMATELY TWO FEET ABOVE THE STREET. SO EVERYTHING BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE HOUSE WILL BE LEVELED OUT. SO THE SIDEWALK, THE HEDGE, THE COLUMNS WILL ALL LOOK AT THE SAME LEVEL. WE DON'T HAVE, FORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE A SLOPE DOWN OR UP. SO IT, IT WILL PRESENT ITSELF REAL NICELY I BELIEVE. SO I GUESS WITH THAT SAID, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO TORI. WHY DON'T YOU HOLD IT, HOLD IT RIGHT THERE. 'CAUSE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, LET'S SAY FENCES AND WALLS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SHALL BE DECORATIVE. SO ARE THERE ANY, ANY SITE, UH, ANY WALLS OR ANY SIGHT WALLS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM MILTON AVENUE? NO, THERE ARE NOT. THERE ARE NOT. NOW ARE THERE ANY, ANY SITE WALLS ON THE PROPERTY? THE ONLY, THERE ARE NO SITE WALLS. THERE ARE FOUNDATION WALLS FOR THE HOUSE, WHICH IS BASICALLY LIKE THE LOWER GO TRANSITIONING FROM BASEMENT LEVEL TO FIRST FLOOR LEVEL, WHICH WILL BE VENEERED WITH OKAY. FOR INSTANCE, ON THIS. AND IT'S HARD TO READ, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO READ THIS ON THIS SITE PLAN. AND I'M GONNA SAY ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY THERE LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A DOUBLE LINE THAT RUNS OH, THIS ONE, THIS LINE RIGHT HERE? YES. WHAT IS THAT? PARDON ME? THAT IS A SIDEWALK. AND FOR, I'LL TRY TO SAY IT THIS WAY. IT'S A NEGATIVE WALL. ALRIGHT, SO WHERE WOULD I BE STANDING TO SEE THE WALL FROM THE, THE, THE NEW HOUSE LOCATION. OKAY. I WOULD SEE THE FACE OF THAT WALL. SO THE FINISH FLOOR OF THE HOUSE WOULD BE THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL. THE FINISH FLOOR OF THE HOUSE SAID DIFFERENTLY. THE, IF YOU WERE AT THE STREET, THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT OF THIS, UM, IS A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN WHERE THE HOUSE ACTUALLY SITS. SO THE WALL ITSELF WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM INSIDE OF THE HOME? NOT REALLY FROM, I MEAN, I CAN'T SAY THAT IT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, BUT BY THE TIME YOU'VE LANDSCAPED IN THE WAY THE LAND KIND OF CUTS IN, IT GETS THE TALL, TALLER PORTION OF THE WALL IS AS YOU GET TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. OKAY. SO FOR WHAT'S THE WALL MATERIAL? IS IT DECORATIVE? I MEAN, IF IT'S DECORATIVE THEN I DON'T, I THINK THEN WE'VE MET THE CONDITIONS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO, IT WILL BE IT. UH, WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED WHETHER IT'LL BE STUCCO OR STONE, BUT IT'LL BE, UM, A MATERIAL THAT'S INDIGENOUS TO THE LOOK OF THE HOME. WELL, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO DETERMINE THAT. OKAY. TO, TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS, MR. DIAMOND, WOULD YOU LIKE STUCCO ON THAT WALL OR STONE ON THAT WALL? [02:20:02] WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? I WOULD PROBABLY DO, UM, SOME FAUX COLUMNS OF STONE AND THEN STUCCO IN BETWEEN. FAIR. UH, WELL LET'S, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. HOW TALL IS, ALRIGHT, THE WALL THAT, THE PIECE OF THE WALL THAT'S CLOSEST TO MILTON AVENUE, HOW TALL IS THE WALL OR HOW MUCH OF THAT WALL IS VISIBLE VERSUS AS YOU HEAD TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY? IS IT LESS THAN SEVEN FEET? LESS THAN SEVEN? IT'S FRONT BACK. NO. HOW TALL IS IT STARTS AT SEVEN FEET? NO, IT'D BE, NO, IT'D BE NO TALLER THAN SEVEN FEET AT ANY POINT. OKAY. SO, BUT AT THE, AT THE FRONT IT'S MUCH LOWER. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE AN ACCURATE NUMBER. UM, IT, IT ACTUALLY KIND OF, IT STARTS FROM GROUND ZERO AND THEN, AND BUILDS UP THE FURTHER BACK THAT YOU GO. BECAUSE I'M GONNA THINK SOME OF THAT WALL IS GONNA BE VISIBLE FROM MILTON AVENUE. IT COULD POTENTIALLY, YEAH. AND I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS MY POINT. AND WE CALL OUT THE WALL, SO IF WE KNOW NOW IT'S GONNA BE STUCCO WITH ROCK WITH STUFF THAT'S DECORATIVE. NOW I THINK WE JUST GET SOME SORT OF, WHERE IS IT AT? AT THE STREET AND I THINK YOU'RE SAYING ZERO AT THE STREET. YES SIR. AND AT THE MAXIMUM AT BACK OF THE PROPERTY IS GONNA BE SEVEN FEET. THAT'S RIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO I THINK, I THINK WE'VE MET THE, MY OPINION, WE'VE MET THE CONDITION IF IT OKAY. IF YOU GUYS THINK THE SOCO AND ROCK COLUMN WALL IS DECORATIVE, WHICH I MEAN IT'S NOT CMU BLOCK. SO . OKAY. I GOT ONE QUESTION ON THE, UM, THE IMAGE THAT'S UP ON THE OVERHEAD BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE SITE, WOULD YOU RATHER THAT THIS PLAN PAT OR THE OTHER BOTTOM YEAH. DOWN THAT AREA. UM, AND IT SHOWS UP A LITTLE BIT MORE ON YOUR RENDERING SPOT. UM, IS THERE A WALL OVER THERE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, PAT. THERE NOTHING BUT GOOD ONES. ORIGINALLY THERE WAS RETAINING WALL. WE WERE TRYING TO PRESERVE A BOUNDARY TREE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE WERE HAVING A HARD TIME TRANSITIONING THE SIDEWALK BACK TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK AT THE PROPERTY LINE. WE COULDN'T DO IT. SO WE COULDN'T MEET THE CONDITION OF THE EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK AND SAVE THE TREE. SO WE HAD TO GO BACK BASICALLY AND ADD MORE DIRT. SO WE GOT RID OF THE WALL AT THE END OF THE DAY. WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU. OKAY, SO THERE'S NO WALL ON THAT LEVEL, THAT EDGE. AND IF I COULD ZOOM INTO THIS LATEST AND GREATEST TREE PROTECTION PLAN, THERE'S NO WALL SHOWN. WHY DON'T YOU, UH, TURN BACK TO THAT OTHER PAGE IF YOU WILL AND LOOK AT THE CORNER ON YOUR RENDER? YEAH, WHICH IT DOES APPEAR TO SEE. SHOW SOMETHING. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS THIS LITTLE WHITE WALL RIGHT HERE. WE ORIGINALLY SHOWED THIS TRYING TO SAVE THIS GROUPING OF TREES, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SIDEWALK WAS GONNA END HERE VERSUS THE PROPERTY LINE. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE GOT RID OF THIS. OKAY. WE GOT RID OF THIS ASKING FOR SO NO WALL. OKAY. I'M SORRY. YEAH, MAYBE I'M GOING TOO FAR. THERE'S NO WALL HERE. AND WE'RE, THIS COLUMN IS GETTING SLIGHTLY MOVED OVER TO HERE. THIS SIDEWALK DOES THIS. YEP. IT'S VERY TRICKY. THIS EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK TRYING TO GET BACK INTO OLD, SO, UH OH, I KNOW. SO, SO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK IS TWO OR THREE FEET WIDE? IS THAT WHAT IT'S NO SIR. IT'S UH, IT'S FOUR FEET. IT'S LIKE AN 18 INCH GROSS TRIP IN BETWEEN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO, UH, ALRIGHT WHILE WE'RE ON THIS, ANY OTHER WALLS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT ADDRESS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. WELL, I KNOW THAT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE MAIN ROAD, BUT I'M JUST CONFIRMING IN ON OUR REAR ELATION. IT DOES SHOW QUITE A BIG WALL IN THE BACK. UM, AND ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WAS IN THE PACKET WAS, UM, MAKING SURE THERE WAS THE TIERED. HOW DID IT, THEY EXPRESS, UH, WALLS SHALL BE CLAD WITH DECORATIVE MATERIAL AND WALLS OVER SEVEN FEET TALL SHALL BE TIERED WITH A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT WIDE PLANTED LANDSCAPE BED BETWEEN AS APPROVED BY DRB. SO, SO I WASN'T SURE WHAT WAS GOING ON ON THE REAR BASED ON THAT CONDITION. 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T QUITE MATCH THE, THE WAY THE WAY WE READ THAT CONDITION WAS, WAS WHEN IT WAS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC ROUTE OF WAY. THE SPIRIT OF IT WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS WAS DEFINITELY THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE POOL IS AND WE'RE ALREADY PRESSED UP AGAINST THE STREAM BUFFER THAT MR. PAT MENTIONED EARLIER. SO, UM, YEAH. UM, SO THE INTENT IS NOT TO, THE INTENT IS NOT TO TEAR THAT REAR, UM, [02:25:01] CORRECT. AND WE'VE ENGINEERED IT AS SUCH. UM, OKAY. WITH, UM, WITH THE POOL COMPANY AND WITH THE ENGINEERING COMPANY, UM, AS WELL, SCOTT? YEAH, I I THINK THE WAY IT READS IT AND, AND PREVIOUS OTHER CASES WHEN IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET IS WHEN WE WENT THE TIERING. OKAY. UM, BECAUSE THE F IN THE FIRST PART IT SAYS FENCES AND WALLS VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN IT CONTINUES ON DOWN INTO THAT CONDITION. SO I THINK STAFF'S THOUGHT WAS ANYTHING THAT WOULD SEE FROM THE STREET WOULD HAVE TO BE TIERED AND THEN THE OTHERS WOULD BE UP TO UP TO THEM. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER, UM, SITE OR LANDSCAPING QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? LOOKS LIKE WE'VE ADDRESSED ANYTHING. LANDSCAPING IN THE, IN THE, UM, COUNCIL CONDITIONS. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO THE, THE HOME ITSELF. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE. YOU WANNA PUT THAT OVER HERE OR YOU? UM, YEAH, WE CAN, WELL TRY TO HELP YOU . ALRIGHT. UH, I KNOW WE JUMPED INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT. , UM, , I KNOW WE JUMPED INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, BUT I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AND POINT OUT A FEW THINGS. UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, IT IS, UM, DESIGNED TO BE A A, A TUDOR REFINED HOME. UM, WE'RE REALLY LEANING INTO STUCCO AND STONE ON, ON THIS HOME AS WELL AS, UM, A LOT OF BRONZE. SO THE WINDOWS AND THE, UM, GUTTERS ARE GOING TO BE BRONZE. UM, THE LANTERNS GAS LANTERNS ARE GONNA BE AN ARCHITECTURAL BRONZE AND UM, WILL BE USING STONE, UH, TEXAS BLUFF LIMESTONE ON THE STONE FEATURES OF THE HOME. AND THEN, UM, ANYWHERE WHERE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO CAPSTONES OR ANYTHING, UM, BUILT AROUND THE ARCHES WOULD BE OUR SONOMA CREAM LEDGE. UM, MOVING ON, WE, UM, HAVE INTRODUCED THE, UM, IT IS A SYNTHETIC, UM, UH, SPANISH BARREL TILE BLOCK. BROWN BLEND IS THE, THE COLOR. AND WE HAVE THAT ON THE DISPLAY BOARD OVER HERE. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY THE TRUE MATERIALS FOR YOU TO, TO VIEW, UM, BOTH COLORS. UM, THIS COLOR OF THE STUCCO IS, UM, UM, CHATEAU TAN, OR I'M SORRY, CANVAS TAN. AND THEN, UM, THE, THE TRIM COLORS THEMSELVES, WHICH IS THE OUTER FRAME OF THIS IS, IS, UH, THE CHATEAU BROWN. I THINK THAT HITS ALL THE HIGH POINTS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS DELVING INTO THAT. SO THE, UH, THE RENDERING OR ELEVATION WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS WHAT'S VISIBLE FROM MILTON AVENUE? IS THAT THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT, YES SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN YOUR MATERIAL BOARD, I THINK SCOTT WAS TRYING TO POINT TO SOME OF THE MATERIALS AS YOU WERE DESCRIBING THEM. UM, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT SCOTT AND ME, YOU CAN, UM, AGAIN, POINT AGAIN, YOU DON'T, I WOULDN'T TRY TO LET TO THAT MAKE SURE, JUST LEAVE IT RIGHT THERE. I THINK IT'S VISIBLE RIGHT THERE. UM, JUST WALK US OVER HERE. CAREFUL. OUCH. THAT . SORRY. ALL GOOD. EXACTLY. , I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. WALK, UH, TO, ALRIGHT, THIS IS GONNA BE A SHOW AND TELL FORCE AGAIN. SO TORI, KIND OF WALK US THROUGH THE, THE, UH, RENDERING WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE OVERHEAD, SIR. AND LET SIR LET SCOTT AGAIN POINT TO MATERIALS ON THE BOARD JUST SO WE'RE GOT EVERYTHING COVERED. ALRIGHT. SO WE'LL START BOTTOM CENTER. THAT'S THE, THE ROOF INSPIRATION. SO IT'S THE SPANISH BARREL TILE, UH, BLOCK, UH, BLOCK. BROWN. BROWN BLEND. OKAY. NO, NO, WE, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD. ENOUGH'S THAT. MOVING LEFT. THAT'S THE TEXAS [02:30:01] BLUFF LIME ZONE. THAT'S, UH, WE WERE HIGHLIGHTING ON THE GROUND EARLIER . OKAY. UM, MOVING UP. AND, UH, ABOVE THAT IT'S THE BRONZE GUTTERS AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT, UM, AS A DOWNSPOUT REPRESENTATION. UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, KIND OF TUCKED IN OVER HERE IS OUR BRONZE WINDOWS. I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ELEMENT FOR THE, THE GAS LANTERNS, BUT IT'S A TRADITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, PELOTON GRASS, UM, AND BRONZE, UH, GAS LANTERNS. AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, THE, LIKE I SAID, THE BACKDROP OF THE, UM, MORE TO CLOSER TO ME THAT'S THE, UM, THE STUCCO COLOR AND THEN THE ENTIRE FRAME ITSELF WOULD BE THE REPRESENTATION OF THE TRIM COLOR. OKAY. UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, BOARD MEMBERS. WHAT IS FLAME LIKE AMBIANCE? WHERE ARE YOU SEEING THAT? ? SO IT'S THE CALL OUT FOR ONE OF THE SCONCES. I'M JUST WONDERING WHOSE VERBIAGE THAT IS. GOTCHA. I'M JUST TEASING YOU. IT'S JUST TRYING TO BE FANCY AND CAN'T KEEP UP. IS IT? IS IT A GAS, GAS LAMP? HOW ABOUT THAT? WE GO OLD SCHOOL THERE. THAT, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION BY THE WAY, , UM, THE DRAWINGS, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT I GOT THIS RIGHT. SO THE, THE MAIN ROOT MATERIAL IS AN ACTUAL CLAY TILE, IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S A SYNTHETIC VERSION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN AROUND TOWN. YEAH, YEAH. UM, SO BUT IT IT'S GOT THE, THE SAME IT DOES IT, IT'S NOT A SHINGLE? NO. OKAY. BECAUSE THE DRAWINGS SHOW ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES ON IT. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THAT ONE'S ACTUALLY, YEAH. OKAY. ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT ON THE EX LET'S, LET ME GO BACK OTHER ELEVATIONS QUICKLY. YEAH, LET'S UM, I'M SORRY MARTIN, GO AHEAD. OH, SORRY. YEAH, SO THE ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, AND MAYBE THIS IS WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH THIS. YOU HAVE THE, UH, WINDOWS WITH THE METAL ROOFS. SO THE SEAM METAL ROOFS ON THAT SIDE, ARE THEY GONNA BE LIKE THE BRONZE GUTTERS MATERIAL? 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE BARREL TILE, CORRECT? SURE, SURE. THE, SO IT WILL MATCH, YES, IT WILL MATCH ANYTHING THAT WE'RE USING LIKE A, A STANDING SEAM. AND IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON THE PITCH OF THE, OF THE ROOF IN THAT AREA. THAT'S WHEN THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE. BUT IT'LL MATCH THE BRONZE OF THE GUTTERS. OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, ONE OF, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS MENTIONS HOMES SHALL HAVE FOUR-SIDED ARCHITECTURE AS APPROVED BY DRB. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE, THERE ARE NOT ORIGINALLY KIND OF THE HISTORY ON IT IS, UM, IT WAS, WE WERE WORKING ON ALL OF THE PROJECTS, UM, SIMULTANEOUSLY, WHICH, WHAT, WHAT PROJECT? WELL, YOU'RE ABOUT TO HEAR, UH, AT LEAST ONE. WELL, NO YOU'RE NOT. UM, IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT BUILDER THAT WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON SOME, SOME THINGS RELATED TO THIS STRETCH OF MILTON AVENUE. UM, THAT'S NO LONGER ANYTHING THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN. UM, BUT THAT'S WHY IT WAS REFERENCED THAT WAY INITIALLY. IT WAS DURING THE PROCESS OF, UM, OF GETTING, UH, REZONED AND SO ALL OF THAT WAS KIND OF HAPPENING, ORCHESTRATED TOGETHER. SO THIS IS THE ONLY HOUSE THAT'S GOING HERE? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND IT DOES HAVE FOUR-SIDED ARCHITECTURE. I IT DOES MEAN NOT THAT YOU CAN'T, SOME OF THIS YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. HARD ENOUGH DE DEFINE. OKAY. UH, ANYTHING ELSE THIS MORNING FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, I WILL ASK FOR, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT. NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT, UH, SITE PLAN. YES, ALL MATERIALS AND SOME LANDSCAPE [02:35:01] THAT KIND OF DEALS WITH THE CON THE COUNCIL CONDITIONS. SO MY ONLY ADDITION, UM, THAT I THINK SHOULD BE INCLUDED BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN THE CUT SHEET OR WHATEVER THE RIGHT TERM FOR THIS DOCUMENTATION WAS. THE METAL ROOFS THAT ARE ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS AND SOME OF THE, I GUESS SOME OF FRONT, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE 'EM, UM, THAT THEY MATCH THE BRONZE GUTTER. I THINK THAT JUST LEAVES A LITTLE BIT OF UNKNOWN MM-HMM . AS CURRENTLY DISPLAYED. GOOD. GOOD POINT. ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING DRB 2 6 0 0 1 9 MADEWELL HOMES 2 55 MILTON AVENUE. MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN. LANDSCAPING ELEVATION OF MATERIALS AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. UH, ALL METAL ROOFS WILL BE BRONZE TO MATCH THE, UH, THE GUTTERS. THE WALL ALONG THE DRIVEWAY ON THE WEST SIDE WILL HAVE STONE COLUMNS TO MATCH THE FRONT COLUMNS AND THE HOME WITH STUCCO IN BETWEEN THE COLUMNS TO MATCH THE STUCCO ON THE HOME. AND FOR CLARIFICATION, THE WALL SHOWN ON THE PLANS WE LOOKED AT TODAY ON THE EAST END OF THE SIDEWALK HAS BEEN ELIMINATED IN THE MOTION. SECOND. ALRIGHT. MOTION BY SWING, SECOND BY CORPORAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE BEING NONE. I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. ALL OPPOSED NO OPPOSITION. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING. APPRECIATE IT. THANKS SO MUCH. UH, PAT. OKAY. UM, OUR NEXT APPLICANT IS, UH, 2 0 4 MARRIOTT STREET. RON LUXURY HOMES. YEAH. YEAH. . [4. DRB260017     Elan Luxury Homes     204 Marietta St review new construction] OKAY. IT'S GONNA BE 2 0 4 MARIETTA STREET WILL BE THE FIRST ONE WE LOOK AT THIS MORNING, IF YOU DON'T MIND. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING. WELCOME. GLAD YOU'RE HERE. JUST, UH, TO MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE OR MICROPHONES AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF THIS MORNING. AND THEN IF YOU'LL WALK US THROUGH, UH, THE APPLICATION WE HAVE TODAY, PLEASE. HI, I AM CHARLOTTE KENNY WITH ELON LUXURY HOMES AND I'M BLAKE BRIDGES WITH ELON LUXURY HOMES. APPRECIATE Y'ALL HAVING US HERE. GOOD. ALRIGHT. WELL THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US. GLAD YOU'RE HERE. WHAT WAS YOUR NAME ONE MORE TIME? SORRY? CHARLOTTE. CHARLOTTE? YES, SIR. IT'S OUR FIRST TIME, SO TAKE IT EASY ON US. . THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN LISTENING TO US ALL MORNING. SO YOU I'VE SPOKE IN FRONT OF Y'ALL BEFORE, JUST NOT ON DRB SO LIVE. YEP. COOL. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE STARTING WITH 2 0 4. WHERE WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO START? ALRIGHT, LET'S LOOK AT A SITE PLAN JUST TO GET US ORIENTED ON WHICH WAY THE BUILDING FACES AND ORIGINAL OKAY. AND THEN HOW YOU SEPARATE 'EM DOWN AND THEN IF YOU HAVE THAT WITH YOU. YEP, I DO. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN FOR BOTH 2 0 4 MARIETTA AND 1 96 MARIETTA. UM, THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, SO, UM, OKAY. AND WHICH ONE IS, WHICH ONE'S? 2 0 4 AND WHICH ONE'S? SO 2 0 4 IS GONNA BE ON YOUR LEFT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. VERY GOOD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. AND UM, I DID WANNA SHOW YOU GUYS THAT IN OUR INITIAL, UM, APPLICATION THAT WE SENT OVER, WE HAD TO CHA THAT WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED WITH, WE HAD A DRIVEWAY THAT CAME ALONG THE FRONT OF THE HOME. WE HAVE SINCE CHANGED THAT. SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS MORNING IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TO MEET THE CITY COUNCIL CONDITIONS. UM, SO IT'S GONNA BE REFLECTED IN WHAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREENS RIGHT NOW. THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION FOR 2 0 4 WILL BE DIRECTLY STRAIGHT UP [02:40:01] TO THE MIDDLE. ALRIGHT. SEE, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE US TO THE NEXT SITE PLAN YOU HAVE JUST OF 2 0 4 JUST TO 2 0 4. YES. THERE WE GO. YEP. AND THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY THAT I WAS SAYING IS SLOPED. IT IS NOW STRAIGHT UP THE MIDDLE OF, AND CAN YOU USE YOUR POINTER AND ALRIGHT. GET US ORIENTED HERE, WHICH IS OKAY. WHAT'S UP? WHAT'S DOWN? MARIETTA STREET IS ALONG THE TOP OF YOUR SCREEN. OKAY. OLD MILTON PARKWAY IS ALONG THE BOTTOM. OKAY. UM, OUR, OUR NEW DRIVEWAY LOCATION, I'LL FLIP IT OVER HERE SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. HERE WE GO. SO AGAIN, MARIETTA STREET AT THE TOP OLD BUILDING PARKWAY IS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM AND THEN OUR DRIVEWAY IS NOW COMING STRAIGHT UP THE MIDDLE. UM, UNLIKE THE LANDSCAPE THAT WAS JUST UP THERE. SO THIS IS THE NEWEST VERSION. CORRECT. GOT IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WHY DON'T YOU ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR US JUST TO GET US ORIENTED SO WE CAN SEE. IN FACT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO, LIKE I DID FOR THE LAST APPLICATION. LET ME READ THROUGH THE COUNCIL CONDITIONS OKAY. SO THAT WE'RE KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THINGS OR LOOKING AT, LOOKING AT THOSE. ALRIGHT. IT LOOKS, UH, THERE APPEARS TO BE KIND OF THREE COUNCIL CONDITIONS. WELL BE REALLY TWO WITH SOME, UM, BULLET POINTS. UH, COUNCIL CONDITION NUMBER ONE, ARCHITECTURE AND MATERIALS SHALL BE DEVELOPED SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE RANDS PREPARED BY DIANA BOULEVARD DATED 9 26 25 AND 9 30 25, EXCEPT FOR MODIFICATIONS REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THESE CONDITIONS AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ALPHARETTA DOWNTOWN CODE AND DOWNTOWN CONSULTANTS. COMMENTS SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB HOMES SHALL HAVE FOUR-SIDED ARCHITECTURE AS APPROVED BY DRB. ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ONE, DEVELOPERS SHALL IMPROVE THE MARIETTA STREET SCAPE WITH A MINIMUM SIX FOOT PLANTER PLANTED WITH STREET TREES, MINIMUM SIX FOOT SIDEWALK AND DECORATIVE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING AS APPROVED BY STAFF. NOW, JUST BELOW THAT SAYS MINIMUM 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG MARIET STREET SHALL BE PLANTED WITH SHADE TREES AS A CONTINUATION OF WHAT'S BEEN PLANTED IN THE DOWNTOWN AND OUTSIDE OF UTILITY EASEMENTS AND OVERHEAD UTILITIES AS APPROVED BY DRB. AND THEN CONTINUING ON THE NEXT PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS, MINIMUM 10 FOOT PLANTED BUFFER SHALL BE PROVIDED ALONG THE EAST AND WEST PROPERTY LINES OF THE 1.178 ACRE PROPERTY AND PLANTED WITH A MIX OF EVERGREEN AND DE DECIDUOUS TREES. EXCEPT THAT BUFFER PLANTING SHALL NOT BE PLANTED IN THE 20 FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. DEVELOPERS SHALL MAKE REASONABLE EFFORTS TO SAVE EXISTING TREES WITHIN THE BUFFERS IDENTIFIED TO BE IN GOOD CONDITION WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF. MINIMUM 20 FOOT LANDSCAPED OR NATURAL BUFFER SHALL BE REQUIRED ALONG OLD MILTON PARKWAY. EXISTING RED OAKS WITHIN THE 20 FOOT BUFFER IDENTIFIED TO BE IN GOOD TO FAIR CONDITION SHALL BE SAVED WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF. ALRIGHT. END OF CONDITIONS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NOW WALK US THROUGH, KIND OF GIVE US, ORIENT US HERE AND WALK US THROUGH AND TALK ABOUT IF THERE'S ANY, UH, ANY OF THE DECORATIVE WALLS OR LANDSCAPING THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AS FAR TO AS PART OF THE COUNCIL CONDITIONS. OKAY. SO HERE'S OUR, OUR LANDSCAPING PLAN, UM, WITH THE PLANTINGS, LONG, THE BOUNDARIES AND THE BUFFERS IN THE FRONT. UM, AND THEN I HAVE A SEPARATE SLIDE THAT'LL SHOW THE DECORATIVE WALL AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. WHAT'S THE GENERAL GRADE OF THE SITE? DOES IT GO OLD MILTON TOWARDS MARIETTA OR REVERSE OR WHICH WAY DO THE GRADE IT GOES OLD MILTON DOWN. OLD MILTON DOWN TO MARIETTA. OKAY. OKAY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT A LONG, IF THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO ALONG MARIETTA STREET MM-HMM . THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP WITH PLANTED WITH SHADE TREES AS A CONTINUATION OF WHAT HAS BEEN PLANTED AT DOWNTOWN AND OUTSIDE UTILITY. OKAY. SO TALK TO US ABOUT THE 10 MINIMUM 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG MARIETTA STREET. WELL, POLICE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? A CONTINUATION OF, I MEAN, WHAT IS THE CON WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, ? WELL, UM, I THINK IT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE YET, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE PLANS. UM, AND SO THE, THE ONE YOU'RE GOING WHERE I'M GOING [02:45:01] YEAH. THE, THE 180 2 I THINK IS ALREADY PLANNED. IT'S NOT, IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THAT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT ONE'S SORT OF WILL, WILL GET, GET THERE. UM, WE DID LOOK AND I LOOKED AT ONE EIGHT, I THINK IT'S 180 TWOS, UM, THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON MARIOTT STREET. I LOOKED AT THEIR OLD MILTON SIDE. UM, WE'VE GOT JUST A MIXTURE OF THEODORE'S AND THINGS, WHICH I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE APPLICANT AND THEIR, UH, FULLY, UM, WANTING TO CONTINUE THAT SAME LOOK ALONG THE MILTON. YEAH. UM, SO THE MARIETTA STREET, I THINK THAT'S WHY THE, THE STREET SCAPE GOT LEFT TO STAFF AND THE LANDSCAPING BEHIND THAT IS THE DRB. SO CONDITION, THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP IS BY STAFF. YEAH. THE CONDITION SAYS THE LANDSCAPE, I THINK IT'S THE LANDSCAPE STRIP FROM THE STREET, THE LANDSCAPE STRIP. THEN THE SIDEWALK, I BELIEVE THAT'S A STAFF IS THAT I'M, SO I'M, LET ME, LET ME LOOK AT IT REAL QUICK. HANG PLEASE. DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS SHALL IMPROVE THE MARIETTA STREET, MARIETTA STREET STREETSCAPE WITH A MINIMUM SIX FOOT PLANTER PLANTED WITH STREET TREES, MINIMUM SIX FOOT SIDEWALK AND DECORATIVE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING AS APPROVED BY STAFF. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG MARIETTA STREET PLANTED WITH A SHADE CURB LANDSCAPE STRIP SIDEWALK IS STAFF. YES. AND THEN THERE'S A, AND THEN THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP BEHIND THAT IS DRB. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHERE I GET CONFUSED BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF THE UTILITIES, SO THE UTILITIES ARE IN THE FRONT PART. SURE. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE STAFF'S GONNA DO THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING CONFUSED. YEP. THERE'S NO ESTABLISHED ANYTHING MARIETTA STREET, AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE'S NOT REALLY, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY COUNCIL SORT OF TOOK THAT ON STAFF SIDE IS 'CAUSE WE WILL DEAL WITH THE UTILITIES AND WHAT'S OUT THERE AND TRY TO FIGURE THAT ALL ALONG. AND THEN MY READING OF THAT IS YOUR PLANTED IN THE DOWNTOWN. YEAH. YOU'RE SORT OF GETTING THE, I DUNNO WHAT THAT MEANS. WHAT, HOW DID YOU GUYS INTERPRET THAT? BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY VAGUE SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN FOLLOW CONDITIONS OF WHAT'S BEEN PLANTED IN DOWNTOWN. YEAH. AND I ACTUALLY TRIED TO DIVE INTO THE OTHER APPROVED PROJECT TO SEE WHAT THEY HAD DONE AND I STRUGGLED TO FIND THAT THERE IS YEAH. YOU KNOW, WHERE THE APPROVAL WAS MATCHED THAT OR BE IN THEME WITH OR I HOW DID YOU ALL INTERPRET THAT? WE LEANED ON DAVID CHOT STACK AND CHOSE CALIPER . I MEAN IT'S, THAT WAS, WE FOLLOWED HIS RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. IS THE ANSWER. ALRIGHT. WHAT WILL GET US APPROVED? LET'S, LET'S GO BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE SITE PLAN I GUESS AND KIND OF TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, ALRIGHT, SO ZOOM IN ON MARIETTA STREET THERE AND SO, SO WHERE'S THE SIDEWALK AND THE STUFF THAT STAFF'S LOOKING AT THEN? IS THAT THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE WITH THE THREE TREES? YEAH. WHERE'S THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP? WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP IS RIGHT IN HERE WITH THE, THE SHRUBS BEING SHOWN. THAT'S IT. OH, YOU HAVE A UTILITY EASEMENT, YOU HAVE THE 10 FOOT. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONTRADICTORY ALMOST TO EACH OTHER. SO WE, WE WENT WITH THE 15 FOOT TO BE SAFE AND THEN, AND THEN OF COURSE PUT OUR WALL FURTHER BACK, UM, PER OTHER COMMENTS IN THERE. AND THE COMMENTS ARE SHARED TOO. THEY'RE 1 9 6 AND 2 0 4. SO WHEN IT MENTIONS, UH, PLANTINGS ON THE EAST SIDE, THAT'S IN REFERENCE TO WHERE THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG IT IS, 30 INCH RCP PIPE IS ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS ON 1 9 6. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF OVERLAP. THERE IS, AND THERE'S THE OTHER OVERLAP IS FOR 1 96 MARIETTA STREET, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS SAYS GARAGES ON EACH LOT SHALL NOT EXCEED A MAXIMUM STORAGE CAPACITY OF FOUR VEHICLES. SO THAT'S ON 1 96. BUT THE CON THE CONDITIONS ARE FOR EVERYTHING, I JUST SORT OF SEPARATED 'EM OUT. OH, OKAY. JUST ON HOW THEY SORT OF CAME OUT. BUT, BUT WHAT HE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE CONDITIONS ON THE EDGE, I THINK I SAW JENNIFER WAS KIND OF FOLLOWING THAT, THAT'S THE OVERALL LOT. THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE BIG ONE ACRE THING. THEY'VE SEPARATED IT DOWN SO IT'S, THERE'S NOT THERE WHEN THEY GOT THE CONDITION ABOUT THE OUTSIDE EDGES. IT'S ONE EAST AND ONE WEST. OKAY. SO IF, IF YOU, THEN THEY CREATED A SEPARATE EAST AND WEST IN THE CENTER. OKAY. THAT DOESN'T FIT THE CONDITION BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, JUST SAID THEN. 1 96 MARIT STREET ALSO HAS ANOTHER CONDITION THAT SAYS FENCES AND WALLS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SHALL BE DECORATIVE AND SHALL COMPLIMENT EXTERIOR MATERIALS USED ON EACH HOME AS APPROVED BY DRB. UM, WALLS SHALL BE, LEMME GET TO THE NEXT PAGE. [02:50:01] WALLS SHALL BE DEVELOPED SUBSTANTIALLY AS DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION DETAILS PREPARED BY ONSITE CIVIL GROUP DATED DA DA DA. OKAY. YEP. SO, ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO MARIETTA ARE, ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE'RE DOING, LET'S LOOK AT MARRIOTT. YEAH. STILL DOING SITE BUILDING FIRST, CORRECT? YES. BUT WE'RE KIND OF IN THE LANDSCAPE . IT'S KIND OF ALL LET'S DO THE, THE SITE AND THE LANDSCAPING MAYBE AT THE SAME TIME I GUESS. I MEAN, WELL OKAY. BEFORE, BEFORE WE DO THE BUILDING. YES. YEAH, SURE. HOW ABOUT THAT? ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S TALK ABOUT SITE. SITE. SO ARE THERE, ARE THERE SOME WALLS? LET'S SEE, WHAT WAS THE COUNCIL CONDITION? BEAR WITH ME. WALLS VISIBLE FROM BASICALLY MARY STREET FENCE, FENCES AND WALLS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO WHERE ARE SOME FENCES AND WALLS? WE HAVE, WE HAVE WALLS. OKAY. . OKAY. YOU'RE IN LUCK HERE. YOU GOT WALLS ON THIS ONE. ALRIGHT, SHOW US WHERE SOME WALLS ARE OR, ALL RIGHT. UM, BEHIND THE ROUND, BEHIND THE 15 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT, UH, THAT'S A RETAINING, SORRY, THAT'S A DECORATIVE WALL. IT GOES ANYWHERE FROM UM, 14 INCHES TO, UH, 42 INCHES ON PLANVIEW WEST SIDE. YOU WANNA GO TO THE, AND IF RENDER AND WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT WALL? IF I'M STANDING ON MARIETTA STREET, DO I SEE THAT WALL STREET? YOU SEE THE WALL? YES. OKAY. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE FACED WITH, UM, DECORATIVE EXTERIOR MATERIALS THAT COMPLIMENT THE HOME. YEP. YEP. HERE YOU GO. SO THERE'S THIS, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO, TO GO THERE. SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, WHICH IS THE SAME BRICK THAT'S ON THE HOME. OKAY. AND OF COURSE THE ORNAMENTAL RAILING THAT ONCE AGAIN WE'VE TAKEN FROM OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND HERE. AND YOU JUST SAID IT WENT FROM 14 INCHES TO 42. IT FLUCTUATES WITH THE, WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND. YES. SO IF IT'S ONLY 14 INCHES TALL, WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WELL, YOU SEE A COLUMN, YOU SEE A, THE COLUMNS AS SHOWN IN THE PHOTO THERE. AND, UM, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S GONNA FOLLOW THE TOPOGRAPHY. SO THE LOWER SIDE WILL BE, UM, I GUESS FACING WEST AND THEN IT'LL CONTINUE FLAT AND GET TALLER AS IT AS THE SLOPE GOES DOWN. DOES THAT MAKES SENSE? I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. IT MAKES SENSE OF WHERE IS IT ON THE SITE PLAN. SO HOW DOES THAT, I SHOW YOU, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY GRADING TO KNOW. WELL THERE'S WHERE'S THE HIGH END, WHERE'S THE LOW END OF THAT WALL THAT'S OUT THERE? AND THE DRIVEWAY CUTS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT NOW, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T GO IN THIS FAST. IT DOES. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. CORRECT. YEAH. SO THE, THE HIGHER END WOULD BE IF YOU'RE PULLING INTO THE HOME ON YOUR RIGHT AND THEN IT WOULD START TO GO LOWER TOWARDS THE LEFT. OKAY. AND WEST LEFT. UM, WELL THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO I, I REVERSED IT WHEN I SAID PULLING IN THE DRIVEWAY. UM, PULLING IN THE DRIVEWAY. IT WOULD BE ON YOUR LEFT AND PLAN VIEW. THAT WOULD BE EAST. IT'S VERY CONFUSING, BUT THAT'S THE ANSWER. , NO. CAN YOU SHOW THE OTHER DRAWING THAT SHOWS THE NEW, I'M SORRY, I'M STRUGGLING WITH A NEW DRIVEWAY LOCATION IN THIS WALL. SO THERE WAS ANOTHER DRAWING YOU ORIGINALLY SHOWED THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN OUR SITE PLAN THAT UM, YES. THANK THAT'S YEAH, I GOT, YEAH, THAT SHOWED NORTH IS UP WHERE THE WALL IS. MM-HMM . NORTH IS UP WEST IS LEFT. MM-HMM . THAT'S THE, UH, SO THE WALL WOULD BE JUST OUTSIDE OF THE JUST HOUSE SIDE OF THE GREEN YES. AREA THAT YOU'RE SHOWING THERE, CORRECT? CORRECT. THE PLANTING WOULD BE BE IN FRONT OF IT SHORT. SO SCREEN LEFT, COME UP TO THE DRIVEWAY. ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY. OKAY. I WAS CONFUSED ON YOU SAID WALL, BUT THEN THE EXAMPLE YOU SHOWED SHOWED A, SO COLUMNS WITH A FENCE. WELL IT'S, YOU CLARIFY THAT. SO THAT LOWER WALL WOULD, WOULD BE THE, THE MINIMUM BOTTOM OF WALL TO TOP A WALL HEIGHT. SO WE WOULD CARRY THAT ALL THE WAY ALONG AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE, THE SHOW THAT PICTURE BACK AGAIN. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE COLUMNS ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT. AND THAT WAY IT CREATES A SYMMETRY WITH THE FENCE INSTEAD OF JUST A, A STRANGE WALL. YOU JUST PASSED WHAT I WAS MM-HMM . TWO BACK ONE MORE. WE GO THAT'S WHAT, OKAY. ALRIGHT. YEAH. SO YEAH, SO THERE'S YOUR ELEVATIONS ALL, SO THE DECORATIVE WALL THAT YOU'RE SHOWING, I SEE SOME OF THE, UH, THE PILLARS OR PYLA. I SEE THE PILLAR OR PYLA ARE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY MORE OF THOSE ALONG YOUR DECORATIVE OR MAYBE THAT'S INTENDED TO BE THAT WAY. ARE THERE COLUMNS THROUGHOUT THE WALL? WE WOULD LIKE THERE TO BE COLUMNS THROUGHOUT [02:55:01] THE WALL. OKAY. I THINK WE WOULD TOO. WE'RE JUST TRYING, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, MAKE SURE THERE'S FENCE IN BETWEEN THE COLUMNS, CORRECT? MM-HMM . BUT HOW'S THAT WORK WHEN THE WALL IS 42 INCHES TALL OR 14 INCHES TALL? I THINK WHAT HE IS, I THINK THE WALL THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT LOWER PART OF THE PICTURE THAT SHE SHOWED YOU? YEAH. EVERYTHING ABOVE THAT IS, IS COLUMN AND FENCE. SO THE WALL IS THE BOTTOM PART. SO AT SOME POINT THERE'S GONNA BE A 42 INCH WALL WITH A FENCE ON TOP OF IT. YES. AND OBVIOUSLY MUCH FAIRLY TALL COLUMN, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT THE WAY YOU WERE DESCRIBING THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. YES. BUT IT'S FOLLOWING THE TOPOGRAPHY. SO IT'S, IT'S COMPLETELY FLAT HORIZONTAL. OKAY. SO YOUR TOP, YOUR TOP COLUMN'S GONNA MAINTAIN THE SAME HEIGHT. THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA VARY IS THE LOWER SECTION'S GONNA GO LIKE THIS. IT'S JUST LIKE A, JUST LIKE A PICKET FENCE ESSENTIALLY. SO WHAT WOULD THE OVERALL HEIGHT, THE ONLY DIFFERENT COLUMNS YOU'VE GOT, YOU HAVE ELEVATIONS DETERMINED TOP OF WALL AND BOTTOM WALL AT EACH OF THOSE CORNERS IN THOSE BOXES. YEAH. SO, SO AS WE GET TO, I, I GUESS THE, WE HAVE A WIDTH OF THE FENCE HERE. LET'S JUST SAY IT'S SIX FEET WIDE EVERY SIX FEET PLUS THE 12 TO 14 INCH DIAMETER OF THE COLUMN, THE WALL WOULD STEP AS NEEDED. SO, SO YOUR, SO YOU'RE, SO YOU HAVE, I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE EXACT DIMENSIONS HERE. UH, I CAN'T REALLY DO IT. IT'S, I HAVE TO, SO THE CORNER, THE EXTRAPOLATE IT, I DRAW IT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE WALL, NORTHWEST CORNER THERE, RIGHT THERE. I SEE. IT SAYS TOP OF WALL IS 1118. MM-HMM . THE BOTTOM OF WALL IS 11, 14.6. SO THAT'S ROUGHLY THREE AND A HALF. THREE AND A HALF FEET. RIGHT. SO THAT'S OKAY. THAT INCLUDES THE, THE COLUMNS TOO? OR IS THAT JUST THE WALL ITSELF BEFORE YOU GET TO THE DECORATIVE FENCING? THAT'S THE LOWER PORTION OF THE WALL. I THINK. WE'LL SEE. YEAH, SEE IF THAT'S, HE JUST DID IT. HE'S DOODLING OVER JUST KIND OF WHAT YOU MEAN. YEAH. SO, OR THE OTHER 12 DOWN. SO THE COLUMNS WOULD STEP DOWN TOO. COLUMNS WOULD STEP DOWN IF, IF IT NEEDED. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU NEED BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF THAT, IF IT'S REALLY WHATEVER. I GUESS IT'S, IT'S WHAT IS, UH, MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. WELL IT LOOKS, I MEAN THAT IS, THAT IS A GOOD, THAT IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. WE GO TO THE OTHER PICTURES AND ON DECK RAILING PICTURE THAT GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT. SO IN THE PICTURE IT HAS THE FORMENTAL, BUT ON THE CUT VIEW IT HAS STRAIGHT OFF TO STUFF WHICH ONE AREA YOU PROPOSE. WE'D PREFER TO DO THE DECORATIVE. SO LET'S CUT TO THE CHASE. SO THE IMAGE'S UP ON THE SCREEN. I THINK WHERE WE'RE CONFUSED IS THE, THE BOTTOM SECTION OF THAT WALL. LET'S CALL THAT THE RETAINING PORTION. YEAH, THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN. FOR CONSISTENCY SAKE FROM THE STREETSCAPE, I THINK THAT PORTION NEEDS TO STAY THE SAME CONSISTENTLY. IT MIGHT STEP RIGHT. OKAY. AND THE FENCING WITHIN IT MIGHT STEP WITH IT AND THE COLUMNS MIGHT STEP WITH IT, BUT IT'S ALL CONSISTENT AS IT GOES. MM-HMM . BUT WHAT I'M HEARING YOU GUYS SAY IS THERE'S ONE PORTION OF THAT LOWER SECTION MIGHT BE 42 INCHES. ONE SECTION MIGHT BE 14 INCHES AND THAT'LL LOOK SILLY. SO I THINK YOU NEED TO WORK ON THE CONSISTENCY LOOKING LIKE THAT IMAGE SO THAT EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT, BUT IT STEPS. I THINK THAT'S A BETTER OPTION TOO. UM, AND THEN THE, THE FENCING BETWEEN ALL STAYS THE SAME, WHETHER IT'S FIVE FEET, FOUR FEET, WHATEVER IT IS. MM-HMM . THEN THE COLUMNS, EVERYTHING. ALSO JUST PICTURE IT AS BEING SEGMENTS. RIGHT. SEGMENTS STAY THE SAME. THEY JUST STEP, STEP, STEP, STEP, STEP WHEREVER THE, WHEREVER THAT NEED TO BE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A, REGARDLESS OF RAID BEHIND IT, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE THE SAME. I DON'T, IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET SIDE, BASED ON THE GRADING PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS ISN'T A RETAIN WALL BECAUSE THE GRADES ARE PERPENDICULAR TO THE WALL. SO I I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, PAT, WHERE THE WALL, THE WHOLE WALL, THE COLUMNS STAY THE SAME HEIGHT AND THE BASE RELATIVELY STAYS THE SAME HEIGHT AND IT STEPS DOWN AS THE GRADE GOES DOWN. AND IT ALSO HELPS VISIBILITY, YOU KNOW, FROM INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE THIS GIANT WALL AT ONE END. AND THEN WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE COLUMN? UM, IBEL, WELL WE PRICE IT AS SIX IS [03:00:01] SIX FEET RIGHT NOW. SO SIX AND A HALF FEET. TENSING WITHIN IS PROBABLY FOUR I THINK, I THINK IT'S 42, I BELIEVE FOUR TWO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND WE CAN, I MEAN WE CAN PROVIDE A DETAIL. WHAT'S GONNA DICTATE THE WIDTH OF COURSE IS THE, IS THE, UM, COMING INTO THE DRIVEWAY ON YOUR RIGHT. WE'D SEPARATE THAT INTO TWO PIECES AND THEN THAT WOULD BE OUR WIDTH THAT WE WOULD DROP DOWN AS WE CONTINUE ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE YARD. WHICH THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT. OKAY. REALLY. UM, WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE LARGER COLUMNS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY? THOSE SHOULD BE CARRIED, UM, TO MATCH THE REST OF THE FENCE. SO WE HAVE A CONTINUOUS LOOK. I, WE, WE WERE NOT PLANNING ON HAVING A, A LARGER, THICKER COLUMN THERE. OKAY. NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE DECORATIVE WALL FIGURED OUT, , DO WE, AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE DESCRIPTIVE PAGE, I THINK IT WAS ONE MORE DOWN WITH THE WALL. UM, YOU DO WANT THE DECORATIVE FINIALS VERSUS THE STRAIGHT ACROSS AS SHOWN IN THE DRAWING. CORRECT? CORRECT. UM, I'M THINKING THAT PROBABLY SOME SORT OF DRAWING OR SKETCH NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED TO STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT I'M LOOKING AT . DO YOU I'M PRETTY CLEAR. YOU'RE CLEAR. SO I DON'T, I DON'T NEED ANYTHING ADDITIONAL. I THINK I, I UNDERSTAND IT WELL. I, I I THOUGHT I WAS CLEAR. AND THEN , I, I THINK I'M CLEAR NOW. WE GOT TWO DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT. SO IS THE, THE WALL AT THE BELOW THE FENCE IS GONNA BE VAR UH, VARYING HEIGHTS, KEEPING THE TOP OF THE FENCE AND THE POSTS AT THE SAME HEIGHT. THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IS THE SITE WALL AND ACCOMPANYING FENCE AND COLUMNS WILL PROVIDE THE DECORATIVE AND, AND UH, ALONG MARIETTA STREET FRONTAGE WILL MAINTAIN THE SAME HEIGHT IN GENERAL AND STEP DOWN TO FOLLOW THE GRADE CHANGE ALONG THE FRONTAGE. THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS PRESENTED, BUT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT MR. CORCO SAID HE THOUGHT IT WOULD PREFER. I THINK WHAT WAS PRESENTED WAS OTHERWISE YOU'VE GOT A CAN'T WITH A VERTICAL THEN IT JUST, IT'LL JUST, YOU, YOU WANT EVERYTHING TO BE THE SAME ALL THE WAY THROUGH. IT'S JUST FOLLOWING THE, THE GRAPE THAT RIGHT. AND WE HAVE SUCH A MINIMAL FALL AT THE FRONT AS WELL. IT'S NOT MUCH. YEAH. I WAS ONLY REFERENCING THE FACT THAT IN THE FAR CORNER IT WAS LOWER. I MEAN ESSENTIALLY WORST CASE SCENARIO IS THAT YEAH. STEP DRAWING, LIKE THAT STEP, IT'LL STEP DOWN. OKAY. MEAN WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING WE COULD TO, TO LIMIT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, DOING THIS CONSTANTLY. YEAH. THAT'S IT. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, WAIT JUST A SECOND. IF, IF YOU, CAN YOU SPEAK OKAY, I'M LISTENING. ALRIGHT. I'M DAVID HUCKABEE AND WHAT WE'D INITIALLY PLANNED WAS TO MAKE THE FENCE LEVEL AND BUT NOW THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT WITH EACH PETITION IN THE COLUMNS, DROPPING WITH THE LANDSCAPE AND BEING A UNIFORM FENCE HEIGHT AND A UNIFORM WALL HEIGHT NOW SEEMS TO BE IN RETROSPECT TO BE THE BE BETTER PLAN. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE SHOULD GO WITH. THINKING NOW THROUGH IT. I THINK IT WILL LOOK AWKWARD IF THE OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP IT LEVEL AND MAKE IT LOOK LEVEL ACROSS FROM THE STREET. BUT I THINK YOUR THOUGHT AND AND COMMENT THAT YOU MADE ALSO ABOUT THE, THE VISUAL NATURE OF IT FROM THE HOUSE TO THE STREET AND FROM THE STREET TO THE HOUSE, YOU'LL ABLE TO SEE MORE, MUCH BETTER. YEAH. YOU SEE THE LANDSCAPING INSIDE OF THE COURTYARD AND WE WANT THE LANDSCAPING TO BE BEAUTIFUL. SO IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE EXCEPT FOR THE HOMEOWNER DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT. SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE WAY WE'LL GO BACK AND REDRAW IT. I LIKE THAT SUGGESTION. GOOD. THANKS FOR I'M, I'M GLAD WE TALKED OUR WAY THROUGH THIS . YEAH. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE THAT HAS TO HAPPEN ALONG MARIETTA STREET THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS? LOOK AT, SEE, ALL RIGHT. OKAY. HOW ABOUT, JUST CURIOUS. GO. CAN WE GO TO THE OLD MILTON PARKWAY SIDE OR MAYBE WHILE WE'RE GOING THERE, DID WE, WAS THERE A UM, THERE WAS WALL MATERIALS MATCHED THE HOUSE OR WALL MATERIALS MATCHED THE HOUSE. YEAH, THAT PROBABLY ALREADY SAID ALREADY THERE WAS A MENTION OF BUT THAT'S STAFF. THE UH, MINIMUM 10 FOOT PLANTED BUFFER SHALL BE PROVIDED ALONG THE EAST AND WEST PROPERTY LINES. OKAY. SO, BUT THAT'S A STAFF REVIEW. ALRIGHT, SO LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT MILTON PARKWAY HAS. AND THIS IS OLD MILTON PARKWAY. ANY, [03:05:01] ANY WALLS OR ANYTHING BACK THERE? NO. IT'S JUST GONNA BE SOME LANDSCAPING I ASSUME. CORRECT. OKAY. UM, WHY DON'T WE, SPEAKING OF LANDLESS, I'M SORRY, ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS IN OUR PACKET, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I SHOW A WALL GOING ALL THE WAY BACK THERE CONNECTING TO THE FRONT. IS THAT CHANGED? YEAH, WE'VE MODIFIED IT AFTER A MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH STAFF. UM OKAY. A COUPLE WEEKS. I APOLOGIZE. I DID NOT CATCH. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THEN WE'LL JUST, JUST LOOK AT MARIETTA STREET IN OLD MILTON PARKWAY TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT CONDITIONS COVERED. WHAT'S THE HEDGE IN FRONT OF ON THE MARIETTA PARK? THAT'S UH, I'M GONNA BUTCHER THE NAME OT, LIKE IN LAUREL. WHY DON'T YOU ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT? 'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A BEST HEDGE. HERE YOU GO. THEY LIKE TO HEDGE IT. IT'S GOT BIG LEAVES USUALLY , MULLY GRAS. YEAH. AND THEY HEDGE IT. YEAH, THAT'S MUL, THAT'S MULLY GRASS IN FRONT OF THEM. OH. OH IT IS. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. YEAH. THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. ARE YOU THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS? I AM NOT. NO. DESIGNER'S NOT HERE. SCOTT IS DID YOU DESIGN THIS SCOTT? IS THIS TRYING TO ? YOU'RE TRYING TO, ALRIGHT, LET'S, WELL I THINK WE WANT EVERGREEN SMALL LEAF EDGE ALONG THAT WALL. YOU KNOW, MOVIE GRASS IS GO DORMANT. HALF THE LANDSCAPERS ARE GONNA SHEAR THE HECK OUTTA IT NO MATTER THE PINK WHEELING GRASS. PARDON? THE PINK MUL GRASS. IS THAT WHAT'S IN QUESTION? I THINK WE EVERGREEN SMALL DEEP EVERGREEN. THERE'S A SPOT, A FOXWOOD OR WHATEVER JENNIFER MIGHT THINK ON THAT. UNDERSTAND. WOULD THAT THEN COM SO THAT WOULD HIDE THE WALL FROM THE SIDEWALK BASICALLY. SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE THE WALL AT ALL HIDE IT. BUT I MEAN THERE'S MULLY GRASS. HONESTLY PAT, I I PROBABLY AT THIS TIME RECOMMEND GETTING RID OF THE MULE GRASS. IF WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PLANT THE SHRUBS, CAN WE JUST DECIDE I LIKE SOMETHING. I THINK SOMETHING SHOULD BE IN FRONT THE WALL, UM, BUT NOT ANYTHING WITH A GREAT HAT TO IT. AND YOU JUST WANNA ACCENT THE WALL. YOU DON'T WANNA COVER ANYTHING UP AND UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE NEWLY BUT JUST NOT ALL NEWLY. IF WE COULD INCORPORATE SOME EVERGREEN OR, UM, AND THEN WOULD IT BE JUST SIDE TO THE SIDEWALK IS FOR THAT BEAR AREA? I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE THAT SHRUB THERE TO BEGIN WITH. OKAY. SO I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST WE DO A COMBINATION OF SOME ACCENT PLANTS LIKE YOU MENTIONED AND JUST DO GROUND COVER IE GRASS BECAUSE IT'S, AS WE SAID EARLIER, TRYING TO KEEP THE WALL LOW 18 TO 20 INCHES SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM TO PLANT. OTHERWISE WE'D BE SCREENING THE WALL. SO, UM, WELL YOU STILL HAVE COLUMN, YOU STILL HAVE FENCE, YOU STILL HAVE ALL THAT STUFF THAT COMES SPROUT OUT ABOVE WHATEVER HEAD YOU MIGHT HAVE. SO WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS IS THE, THE FUR. WE'RE CHOOSING A LOT OF THINGS HERE. SO THE IDEA IS NOT TO SCREEN THAT WALL, IT'S JUST SOME ACCENT PLANTING WALL FOUNDATION. YEAH. OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE SPLASHBACK OF LIKE DIRT AND SOIL AND IT'S GONNA STAY IN THE FRONT OF THE STONE. YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF GET THAT. YEAH. KIND OF JUST WARM LITTLE LITTLE TRANSITION BETWEEN SO AND THE SOFTEN THAT HARDSCAPE TO THE FRONTAGE. WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN HAVE LIKE A, LIKE A THREE FOOT LAND SOD STRIP AND THEN WE CAN HAVE LIKE YOU SAID, FOUNDATION PLANTING BEHIND A MIXTURE OF EVERGREEN, SOME FLOWERING SHRUBS, GROUND COVER MM-HMM PRETTY MUCH LIKE A STANDARD TYPE OF PLANTING. YEAH. AND NOT JUST DO THE MONOTONOUS ROW OF ORNAMENTAL GRASS. RIGHT. BOB, IS THIS YOUR DRAWING THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN? YES. IT'S, IT'S A, UH, TREE PROTECTION PLAN LANDSCAPE STRIP. BECAUSE I LIKE WHAT YOU PRESENTED FOR TORIES. WELL IN ONE OF THE CONDITIONS REGARDING THE LANDSCAPE STRIP BEHIND THE WALL, UM, THAT, THAT IS TO BE APPROVED BY DRB CALLS FOR SHADE TREES. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT THE EUROPEAN HORN BEAM CALLED [03:10:01] OUT. I DIDN'T HEAR THE FIRST PART OF THAT, JENNIFER. SO THE, SO RIGHT HERE THE, THE CONDITION IS MINIMUM 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG MARRIOTT STREET SHALL BE PLANTED WITH SHADE TREES AS A CONTINUATION OF WHAT HAS BEEN PLANTED INTO THE DOWNTOWN AND OUTSIDE OF UTILITY EASEMENTS AND OVERHEAD UTILITIES AS APPROVED BY DRB. SO I THINK WE'RE, IF WE USE THE EUROPEAN AND HORN BEAMS, IT'S BECAUSE WE WERE PROBABLY TIGHT BETWEEN LANDSCAPE STRIPS AND, AND POWER LINES IS PROBABLY WHY WE USE THE HORN BEAMS. THE UM, THE UTIL EASEMENT, THAT'S POWER LINE, CORRECT. LOCATION, LINE OVERHEAD. SO WE'RE KIND OF FIGHTING BETWEEN THE TWO ELEMENTS THERE. WELL WE'VE GOT EL IN THE STRIP THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE POWER LINES. I DO, WE KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE IS BETWEEN THE POWER LINES AND WHERE THOSE, UH, HORN BEAMS ARE LOCATED. I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. SO THAT'S SIX THE EASEMENT'S RIGHT WHERE THE WALL IS. RIGHT. OKAY. SO 15. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT ENOUGH DISTANCE THERE, BUT IF WE WERE GONNA GO WITH A COLUMN TREE, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY FIT THE SHADE TREE REQUIREMENT, I'D SUGGEST SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE, THE HORN BEAMS. UM, JUST FOR AVAILABILITY AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DOING WELL. WE'VE HAD TO SWAP THOSE OUT A LOT. UM, LEANING MORE TOWARDS THE LARGER SHADE TREE OR YES. TO FIT THE CONDITION. I THINK IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT, UM, OR MAYBE MORE OF AN UPRIGHT, UM, LIKE A PRINCETON ELM IS TECHNICALLY A SHADE TREE, BUT YOU HAVE MORE OF A V SHAPE TO IT. SO I DON'T THINK YOU'LL HAVE THE CONFLICT WITH THE POWER LINES, UM, AT THIS DISTANCE. SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS FOR SHADE TREE TO FIT THE CONDITION, BUT IF WE HAD TO GO, IF THERE TRULY WAS A CONFLICT WITH THE POWER LINES, UM, MAYBE WE WOULD GO WITH A BETTER OPTION FOR ALUMNI TREE. OKAY. SO EITHER OR I'LL LOOK AT YEAH, I'LL LOOK AT THAT. YEAH. IT LOOKS LIKE FROM STREET VIEW, THE POWER LINES ARE RIGHT OUT AT THE EDGE OF THE ASPHALT, ALMOST LIKE RIGHT OUT THE EDGE OF THE STREET. YEAH. IT LOOKS LIKE JENNIFER ON THE ONE THAT'S UP THE, THE HEAVY LONG DASHED LINE IS THE POWER I'M LOOKING AT AS A P IN THE MINE PLAN. YEAH. I'M LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT PLAN THAT THAT SHOWS IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND IT'S THAT ONE, IT'S THAT LINE THAT'S CLARIFY. IS THAT WHAT IT IS? P IS POWER. THERE YOU GO. SO THIS EL AREN'T GONNA WORK. WELL AS YOU SAW, AS YOU SAW THE DRIVEWAY'S CHANGED, THE WALL HAS GOTTA BE REVISED, RIGHT? UH, I THINK WE GOTTA MAYBE TAKE A, IN THE, I THINK THE WALL IN A NEW LOCATION, EVEN WITH THE NEW DRIVEWAY LOCATION. HOLD ON. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY. THE, SINCE THE DRIVEWAY HAD TO BE CHANGED DUE TO STAFF AND I GUESS ZONING, THEN THE WALL HAD TO BE REVISED SLIGHTLY. I THINK IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT WE REVISE THIS BASED ON THAT NEW WALL DRAWING. I, I THINK SO BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A COUNCIL CONDITION. SO I THINK, I THINK THE SITE PLAN, THE LANDSCAPE DRAWING NEEDS TO MATCH AND IT NEEDS TO BE WHAT IS INTENDED TO GO IN SO THAT WE CAN BE SURE THE COUNCIL'S CONDITION IS MET AND ALLOW US AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE YOUR COMMENTS. I HEARD THEY LIKE THEM AS LONG AS I'M BATING 300, I'M OKAY. POWER . IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. THAT ONE THE WALL JUST GONNA SHOW YOU WHERE I'M THINKING WE'RE GOING HEADING TOWARDS SURE. I THINK WE'RE HEADING TOWARDS TAKING THIS PLANT HERE AND SHOWING THE REVISIONS TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BASED ON THIS WALL LOCATION. YEAH, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND AGAIN, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR, FOR TORYS IS, IS PRETTY CLOSE. I MEAN IT CONVEYS THE, THE PRETTY PICTURE. CAN WE JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PLAN ON THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THE OLD MILTON SIDE AND JUST VERIFY. 'CAUSE THE ONE WE HAD IN OUR PACKET WAS THE OLD VERSION WITH THE WALL. AND SO YOU ARE JUST CONTINUING PLANTINGS. YOU'LL UPDATE THIS ACCORDINGLY. BUT THE ONE WE HAVE HAS GOT THE WALL WITH THE TREES IN IT. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OF DOING ON THAT BACK, UM, BERM OR WHATEVER SLOPE EASEMENT. YES. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. THERE WAS NO REASON TO HAVE THAT WALL THERE ANYWAYS. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH. UM, FALL OR ELEVATION [03:15:01] CHANGE? NO. OKAY. SO THAT WALL'S GONE BUT THE PLANTINGS DIDN'T CHANGE. THE PLANTING SHOULDN'T CHANGE. WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. UM, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN THAT'S GONNA IMPACT THE LANDSCAPE THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO A DEFERRAL ON LANDSCAPING, UM, AT THIS TIME TO MAKE IT EVERYTHING. 'CAUSE THIS LOOKS, WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING US NOW IS THE PRIOR VERSION BEFORE THE WALL GOT ELIMINATED ON THE OLD MILTON PARKWAY SIDE. OKAY, LET'S DO THIS. LET'S AGAIN, I THINK, UH, UH, LANDSCAPE'S GONNA BE DEFERRED FOR THIS APPLICATION. LET'S JUMP TO THE ARCHITECTURE 'CAUSE WE ARE, WE'RE WE'RE PAST 12 O'CLOCK NOW AND I'M, I'M OUT. I'M OUT. I'M NOT LETTING YOU LEAVE . OKAY. LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURE ON THIS ON, ON 2 0 4. MARIETTA PLEASE BEFORE WE JUMP OVER TO 1 1 96. 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO GET THINGS DONE BEFORE WE GO, BEFORE WE DISMISS OUR MEETING OR EVEN GO INTO A RECESS, LUNCH RECESS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE WITH EVERYBODY'S PERMISSION WITH THE BOARD MEMBER'S PERMISSION. OKAY. LOOKING AT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING. ALRIGHT, LET'S WALK US THROUGH LOOKING AT THE RENDERING. WALK US THROUGH WHERE THE MATERIALS ARE AND DO YOU HAVE SOME SAMPLE? YOU HAVE SAMPLES WITH YOU? THAT'S ONE. OKAY. SO MAYBE, MAYBE SOMEBODY TALKS AND SOMEBODY HOLDS UP THE SAMPLES, PLEASE. BIGGER THING AND I'LL DO THIS. OKAY. SO, UM, BLAKE HAS THE BRICK THAT WILL BE USED ON THE FACADE. UM, ANY DECORATIVE WALLS, UM, THE CHIMNEYS WITH THAT SAME BRICK THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE. UM, THEN HE'S GOT THE SHINGLES, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UM, IN CHARCOAL. UM, WE HAVE OUR PILLOW WINDOWS WILL BE TRIMMED IN BLACK ON THE EXTERIOR, UH, TO MATCH THE, THE FRONT DOOR. THE GUTTERS ARE ALSO GONNA BE BLACK, UH, COPPER GAS LIGHTING, UH, ALONG THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UM, AND THEN PERMEABLE BEAVERS, UM, FOR THE SIDEWALK AND DRIVEWAY AREA. OKAY. AND THEN I SEE, UM, THE BENJAMIN MOORE, SWISS SWISS SWISS COFFEE. YES. SO THERE'S GONNA BE STUCCO ON THE DORMERS. UM, IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THIS, IN THIS RENDERING, BUT THE DORMERS WILL HAVE THE SWISS COFFEE STUCCO, UM, AROUND TO ADD SOME CONTRAST. OKAY. UH, STUCCO, I MEAN THE, SORRY, THE, UM, THE GROUT ON THE BRICK, IT'S GONNA BE BUFF. BUFF, AND THEN THE TRIM FOR THE SOFFITS AND THE FASCIA WILL BE IRON ORE. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE HEADERS ON TOP OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THE ROOF LINE, THOSE ARE GONNA BE METAL, CORRECT? BE BLACK METAL TO MATCH THE WINDOWS AND THE GUTTERS, CORRECT? YEP. UM, DO YOU HAVE A RENDERING OR A DRAWING OR SOMETHING OF THE REAR OF THE BUILDING FROM OLD MILTON PARKWAY? YEP. OKAY. SO WE CAN ENSURE THAT IT'S FOUR-SIDED ARCHITECTURE. SO THIS IS, IS, UM, FROM THE REAR LEFT CORNER. SO MILTON, A OLD MILTON AVENUE IS, OR PARKWAY, UM, IS BACK, IS BACK, MEANING? UM, IT'S ON LIKE THE, FROM THE BACK. RIGHT. LOOKING TOWARDS THE, SO THAT'S, THAT'S OLD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THAT'S ALL ESSENTIALLY ALL BRICK. MM-HMM . ON THE REAR OF THE OKAY. UM, WHAT, WHAT APPEARS TO BE AT THE BASE THAT'S THE SMALLER KIND OF THE REAR BUILDING LOOKS LIKE SOME, MAYBE THE CHIMNEY IS STONE OR THE BASE THAT, THAT DIDN'T TRANSFER RIGHT. WHEN I DID THE RENDERING, THAT WILL BE BRICK AS WELL TO MATCH THE REST OF THE STONE OF THE OKAY. AND THEN EVEN THE BASE DOWN THERE BELOW WHERE THE ENTRY DOOR IS, CORRECT? THAT CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER, UH, RENDERINGS OR SIDES WE CAN, THAT YOU DID? OKAY, THIS IS THE LEFT SIDE. ALRIGHT. WHEN YOU SAY LEFT, SO THAT THIS WILL BE THE SECTION THAT IS BETWEEN 2 0 4 AND 1 96. SO IF I WAS STANDING AT 1 96 LOOKING NEXT DOOR, THIS IS WHAT I'D SEE EAST SIDE. OKAY. WE'RE LOOKING YEAH. THE LOOKING WEST. OKAY. [03:20:01] ALRIGHT. AGAIN, YOU MENTIONED THE, THE CHIMNEY IS BRICK, NOT STONE. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN I ASSUME YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT ALL THE VENT THROUGH ROOFS AND ANYTHING, ANY ROOF PENETRATIONS TRYING TO HIDE THOSE OR PUT THOSE ON THE BACK SIDE? THE, THE NON MARIETTA STREET SIDE AND THE NON OLD MILTON PARKWAY SIDE? CORRECT. OKAY. AND AC COMPRESSORS, YOU KNOW WHERE THOSE WOULD BE? WELL, YOU HAVE TO GO TO . HOLD ON. LET ME GET TO MY OTHER VIEW IN HERE. SHOULD WORK. RIGHT. OKAY. THE OTHER ONE. YEAH, THEY ARE. YEP. THERE BY THE, UM, OKAY. THERE YOU GO. RIGHT HERE. SO THAT'S ON THE OLD MELTON, OLD MILTON SIDE. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE TRIED TO PUT A FENCE OR THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ARROW THAT POINTS TO THAT ENCLOSURE. YEP. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE MATERIAL FOR THE, UH, HVAC ENCLOSURE? WE HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. WE, IT'S RIGHT HERE. OH, THERE WE GO. OKAY. WELL THE MATERIAL I DON'T THINK SHOULD BE CEDAR OR STAIN. I THINK IT SHOULD BE A, A TRAX, BUT IF THERE'S A PREFERENCE THEN WE'LL CHANGE IT. IT ISN'T NECESSARILY, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE A CERTAIN CLEARANCE FROM THE COMPRESSOR SO THAT IT GETS A CLEAR AIR FLOW IF IT, IF IT'S SOLID, YOU KNOW? YEAH. VERSUS SOME KIND OF SCREENING MATERIAL. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK IT SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF COMPOSITE MATERIAL, NOT STAINED WOOD. YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO NO, YOU'RE GONNA BE LEAVE THE HOMEOWNER THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER LIKE, UH, TRIM MATERIALS ON THE BUILDING THAT YOU COULD UTILIZE VERSUS MAKING IT MASON RIDGE? I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO DO, WE COULD, WE COULD PROBABLY DO A BRICK WALL. THEY CAN'T. NO. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GATE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AIRFLOW. YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE HOLES AND BRICK AND STUFF. YEAH. YEAH. DO UM, I'M JUST LOOKING BACK AT, AT THE THE YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SHUTTERS OR ANYTHING. NO. I MEAN, IF WE DID LIKE A VERTICAL LAP METAL, YOU KNOW, IT ALMOST LOOKS TOO INDUSTRIAL. SO I WASN'T SURE WHAT TO, I MEAN THAT THIS IS THE BEST WE COULD COME UP WITH FOR NOW. I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THIS, THE WOOD JUST SEEMS OUT OF PLACE WITH ALL THE BRICK IN MY OPINION. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK VISUALLY THAT'S GONNA BE EXPOSED OLD MILTON. YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU CAN HAVE, YOU HAVE TREES IN YOUR SITE PLAN, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME PRETTY GOOD EXPOSURE THERE. SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT MATERIAL AND, AND KNOW THAT THE, THE, UM, YOU HAVE LIKE SOME BALCONIES THAT ARE LIKE METAL, LIKE BLACK METAL I GUESS. WELL WE HAVE THE BLACK METAL. WE'RE CARRYING BLACK METAL THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE. YES. UM, I MEAN MAYBE YOU COULD DO SOME KIND OF LIKE METAL DECK LIKE SLAT MATERIAL THAT STILL HAS SOME AIRFLOW. I'M NOT SURE WE, WE LIKE THAT YOU'RE SCREENING THEM, BUT JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MATERIAL LOOKS LIKE. OH, I MEAN THE CONDITION SAYS SCREEN AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE CAN GO BACK IN WITH A TIGHTER PATTERN LIKE THIS AND THEN HAVE A BRICK COLUMN ON EACH SIDE? I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN IT'S, I I FEEL LIKE IF, IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, UM, IF YOU HAD LIKE THE, THE CORNERS COLUMNS AND THEN YOU HAD A BLACK SLAT MATERIAL THAT SCREENS A LOT OF IT. MM-HMM . YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE BETWEEN THE GAPS, BUT IT'LL GIVE YOU LIKE A BLACK METAL SLAT MATERIAL HORIZONTAL OR THREE WHAT HE DESCRIBED BLACK COVERING. BECAUSE YOU COULD STILL HAVE GAPS IN IT, BUT YOU WON'T, YOU WON'T REALLY SEE ANYTHING. AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE AIRPLANE. OKAY. YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE STAND IF YOU WANNA TALK. SORRY. WE'LL DO THEN, THEN I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS WE'LL DO A TIGHTER BLACK TO MATCH THE REST OF THE BLACK AND FENCING AND, AND ALL THE OTHER MATERIALS ON THE HOUSE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS OF MATERIALS? WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING. OKAY. UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO, TO MOTIONS, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS AFTERNOON? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? RIGHT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE ON A SITE PLAN IS THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, THERE'S REALLY NO, BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY MOVED AND WELL GONNA RE-LOOK AT LANDSCAPING. [03:25:01] THERE'S REALLY NO SITE CON SITE COUNCIL CONDITIONS. IF WE COULD APPROVE SITE, THEN THEY COULD GET GOING ON ITPROBABLY AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING. AND THEN WE LOOK AT LANDSCAPING LATER BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING TO DO AN LLDP REAL SOON, RIGHT? WE'RE VERY MUCH SO SINCE THIS HAS BEEN SO IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE SITE, THEY WOULDN'T REALLY BE ABLE TO GET GOING. AND UM, CAN THEY DO, CAN THEY DO LDP WITHOUT LANDSCAPE? BRETT? NO, BUT UM, NO, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, SITE PLAN IS REQUIRED. OH, OKAY. I DON'T SEE THAT. SO SEE THE LANDSCAPE STRIP WALLS AND BUILDING, SO THE, THE LIKE, UH, SITE, THE WALL ALONG MARIETTA WOULD FALL UNDER THE BUILDING. ARCHITECTURAL APPROVALS WOULD FALL UNDER YEAH. ON DRV. BUT I, BUT SITE PLAN, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A REQUIREMENT FROM YOU GUYS. OKAY. OR THE FULL LANDSCAPE PLAN. JUST THAT LANDSCAPE STRIP IS WHAT IT SAID. . WHAT WOULD THE WALL ON THE, ON THE OLD MILTON SIDE, IF THE WALL'S REMOVED, THE TREES STILL HAVE TO BE THERE FOR DENSITY AND FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THE TREES IN THIS INSTANCE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE. UM, AND THE WALL IN FRONT NOW HAS A, A DRIVEWAY GOING THROUGH IT, WHICH WAS THE CONDITION THAT WAS APPROVED, WHICH WE NOW HAVE SHOWN. AND THEN, AND THEN WE NEED TO CHANGE THE SHADE TREES UNDERNEATH THE COMMUNICATION LINE AND THEN ADDRESS WHATEVER'S GONNA GO IN FRONT OF THE, THE WALL. AND I, AND I, I THINK THAT'S IT. SO I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO JUST GET, I'D LIKE TO GET IT APPROVED AND GIVE YOU THAT AND MOVE FORWARD. 'CAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE A CLIENT BACK THERE THAT WE NEED TO START BUILDING FOR. SO, SO IF WE CAN CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AS SHOWN TODAY, BUT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO SHOW US WHAT'S HAPPENING ALONG MARIETTA STREET FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, IS THAT ENOUGH TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN LDP ? DON'T SAY THAT TOO LOUDLY YET. JUST KIDDING. HE'S NOT STANDING UP HERE. I MEAN WE THEN, AND THEN IF THERE'S, YEAH, I THINK WE COULD DO THAT. I MEAN I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE'S STRAIGHTFORWARD. WE'VE GOT THAT. YEAH. THAT, THAT COVERED. BUT, UM, JUST TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF THE SCHEDULE AND EVERYTHING. I THINK THE PLACEMENT WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD BE THE, THAT'S WHAT I THINK THEY NEED TO WORK OUT WITH L DP AND THEN COME BACK AND JUST CONFIRM YOU THINK THAT WHERE STUFF IS, AND THEN THE MATERIALS I THINK YOU GUYS COULD TWEAK A LITTLE BIT AFTERWARDS AS FAR AS MATERIALS OF TREES OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD THAT WORK IF MOVE THEM THROUGH THEIR SITE AND LANDSCAPE. LANDSCAPE THROUGH THEIR LP. SO HERE, HERE'S WHERE I'M AT WITH IT, IS WE WERE NOT PRESENTED A LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE PRESENTED A TREE PROTECTION PLAN, TREE REPLACEMENT PLAN. THE ONLY THING YOU NEED TO SEE IS THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE. CORRECT. A CORRECT 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE TRUCK. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH I AND I THINK WITH THE DRAWING YOU WERE, YOU WERE PRESENTED THAT WITH A TWEAK OF THE DRIVEWAY MOVING FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. RIGHT? CAN'T YOU JUST RECOMMEND THE CHANGE IN MATERIAL TO THE SHADE TREE FOR AND SO, AND WE CAN COVER, SO AGAIN, I'M ONLY ONE BOAT UP HERE. EVERY OTHER APPLICA. THIS IS WHY I DO NOT LIKE DOING RESIDENTIAL. BUT EVERY OTHER APPLICANT THAT COMES IN, WE ASK FOR A CORRECT DRAWING. WE'VE ASKED FOR THE CORRECT MATERIALS AND WE'RE ABLE TO TWEAK THOSE A LITTLE BIT MM-HMM . BUT IT WASN'T EVEN THE RIGHT DRAW. IT WAS A, IT WAS NOT A, A TRUE LANDSCAPE PLAN PER COUNCIL CONDITIONS. SO THE, THE UH, THE DRIVEWAY RELOCATION WAS A RECENT CHANGE REQUIRED BY STAFF. AND THE DRAWING YOU PRESENTED TODAY WAS KIND OF DURING THE 11TH HOUR. YOU GUYS HAD TO GET SOMETHING TO SHOW WHAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE I, YEAH, I I THINK IT'S, IT'S A STRUGGLE. I, I AGREE MR. CORPORAL, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO WORK A LITTLE BIT WITH THESE MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING A LITTLE MORE OF IN DOWNTOWN. I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AS, THEIR TIMELINES ARE TIGHTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAN WHAT COMMERCIAL PROJECTS ARE. UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF MORE FLUID MOVING PARTS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL. BUT [03:30:01] IT, BUT WE HAVE TO DO. RIGHT. AND OUR PRE OUR PRECEDENCE IS OUR PRECEDENCE OF WHAT WE ASK OF EVERY OTHER APPLICANT THAT COMES INTO D RRP. THAT'S THE PRECEDENT. PRIOR TO THIS THOUGH, IT'S NOT REALLY BEEN NOT, I MEAN WE'VE HAD A COUPLE RESIDENTIAL BUT NOT IN, IN TOTAL APPLICATION. NOT RESIDENTIAL, NOT COMMERCIAL. RIGHT. SO I THINK NOW THOUGH, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT 'EM SEPARATELY AND, AND WE CAN'T NECESSARILY SAY WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL. I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M SAYING EVERY APPLICANT'S THE SAME. AGAIN, I'M JUST ONE VOTE. CAN CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE CRAWLING THAT YOU SHOWED US ALONG MARIETTA STREET? LOOK AT 1 9 6. OKAY. I THINK THAT SHOWS THE PLAN BETTER IN THE, I THINK IT'S ONE DOWN FROM THAT LAST DOWN. THERE YOU GO. IF YOU CAN ZOOM ON THAT TOP. TRYING WHAT I'M, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT THE ONE THAT THEY SHOWED, THAT THEY SHOWED US THAT HAD THE RETAINING WALL, THE, THE MULLY GRASS WE TALKED ABOUT AND THEN IT SHOWED THE PLANTINGS BEHIND IT AND THE TREES IS TRY JOEL FROZEN THIS PLANE, MR. SCHWA. NO, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE 1 96 PIN SIGNIFICANTLY HELD ON THE SHERP IN FRONT, AND THAT MAY BE BECAUSE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE. WELL WE, WE MET THE CONDITION. UM, IT'S, IT WAS DRAWN PER THE DRAWINGS, I MEAN PER THE, UH, APPROVAL IN DECEMBER FOR 1 9 6. AND, AND THE SAME THING AT 2 0 4. YOU WE'RE JUST SHIFTING THE, THE DRIVEWAY AND CHANGING THE PLANTS PER, PER YOUR RECOMMENDATION. THERE WAS ANOTHER DRAWING THAT SHOWED THE MOLY GRASS IN, UH, SHOWED THE WALL, SHOWED THE MOLY GRASS IN FRONT OF THE WALL. UM, THIS GUY RIGHT HERE, HERE I GET, I HAVE THIS, THIS IS ANTIQUATED, BUT I HAVE THE DRAWING RIGHT HERE. SHE'S JUST HAVING PROBLEMS OF THE UH, OF THE SIX FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP, SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, THE PLANTINGS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS OF WHAT? BLAKE, WHY DON'T YOU PUT THAT ON THE OVERHEAD? IF YOU'LL PUT THAT ON THE OVERHEAD AND THEN WE CAN TURN ON THAT. PUT THE IPAD ON THE OVERHEAD ON THAT. YEAH, THAT GUY. SO SAME AS NEXT DOOR. THE WALL'S BEHIND THIS. SO THAT'S 1 9 6. RIGHT? THAT IS 1 9 6. YEP. OF COURSE THE INTENT IS THE CONTINUATION OF 1 9 6 TO PUT FOUR. WHERE'S THE WALL ON THAT POINT? THERE IS NO WALL. WE DON'T HAVE A WALL OVER THERE. THE DECORATIVE FENCE. BUT THESE TREES ARE DIFFERENT. THE PLANTINGS ARE DIFFERENT. UM, IN WHAT WAY WOULD IT BE A CONTINUATION? I GUESS IF YOU'RE SAYING, ARE YOU SAYING THAT BOTH LOTS? WELL IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PER YOUR DIRECTION IS IS PER DRB DIRECTION. SO IF WE'RE CHANGING THESE PLANTS, THEN WE'RE GONNA CHANGE 'EM ON BOTH PROPERTIES. IF YOU APPROVE THIS, THEN [03:35:01] THAT'S WHAT'S GOING OVER THERE. 'CAUSE IT'S THE SAME POWER LINE RIGHT NEXT DOOR. IT'S THE IT'S THE SAME. WE OWN BOTH. SO IS THIS THE SAME LANDSCAPE MATERIAL IN THE LANDSCAPE STRIP FOR 1 96 AS FOR 2 0 4? THEY'RE THE SAME MATERIALS? NOT UNDER THE POWER LINE? NO, NOT UNDER THE POWER LINE. I DON'T THINK THEY ARE THE SAME IN THE STRIP EITHER. AND WE DON'T HAVE, WELL, YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVE THE SLOPE IN FRONT OF THE WALL. SO YOU, WE COULDN'T CARRY THAT CONTINUOUSLY. BUT THE POINT WAS THE, THE TREES, THE SHADE TREES THAT WOULD RUN UNDERNEATH THE POWER LINE AND THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS IS IS THE GOAL THERE? I HAVE, I HAVE A HARD LEAVE AT 1230. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE GOT YOU FOR FIVE MINUTES. ALRIGHT. WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE HERE? I I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THIS LANDSCAPING ALONG MARIETTA STREET, FORTUNATELY. UH, THE, THE TWO, THE TWO PLANE DON'T MATCH. 2 0 4 AND 1 9 6 DON'T MATCH. THEY DON'T LINE UP. I I MEAN I THINK IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THERE. YEAH, WE, WE WERE JUST TOLD TO TREAT THEM AS, SO THE FIRST TIME, THESE ARE TO BE TREATED AS SEPARATE LOTS WITH TWO SEPARATE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. AND THEN, AND THEN TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO NOW THE ANSWER IS TREAT 'EM AS ONE LOT. SO I I MEAN, WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? UM, A MEETING WE CALLED WITH, WITH DAVID. I, JILL AND, UH, BRIAN AND BRIAN GORDON. OKAY. THE, THE INTENT WAS TO MAKE SURE WE MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS. , THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING. LIKE A DRY RUN. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE THERE YET. WELL, IF THAT WAS THE DIRECTION, GIVEN THE DRAWINGS WERE STILL DIFFERENT, IF THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU BY STAFF AND THEN THESE TWO DRAWINGS THAT CAME IN ARE DIFFERENT. JUST, JUST THE 10 FOOT STRIP AND THE STRIP. I DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ON THE STRIP. THAT'S, I CAN'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THAT'S OUR PROBLEM. IT'S NOT THE MATERIAL DIFFERENT BETWEEN WHAT ARE, WHAT STRIP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? UH, I GUESS THE DRB STRIP IN FRONT OF THE, THE 10 FOOT STRIP. SO BEHIND THE SIDEWALK, RIGHT? THAT'S BEHIND THE SIDEWALK. YES SIR. YEP. AND THAT'S THE ONE AS THE CONDITIONS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW IS THE DRB ONE. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT DRB THE THAT'S RIGHT. SO THE, THE STUFF OFF STREET SIDE STUFF BEHIND, THAT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW PER SE. CORRECT. UM, I MEAN HOW MANY DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE MATERIALS ARE THERE? CAN WE JUST TELL 'EM, YOU KNOW, USE THIS TYPE OF SHADE TREE, USE THIS TYPE OF UNDERSTORY. IF IT'S A 10 FOOT STRIP, I'M, I'M JUST ASKING. I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO THAT. I THINK TO PAT'S POINT, WE WEREN'T REALLY SHOWN AN ACCURATE SITE PLAN EVEN WITH THE WALL PLACEMENT. SPACING. SPACING. UM, SO I DUNNO. AGAIN, EVERY RESIDENTIAL APPLICATION DOESN'T TO US, SO WE DON'T GET TO PICK IT APART AND THEN WE HAVE TO SUBMIT AND THEN IT SAYS PER DRB. SO WE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO PUT IN THAT STRIP, BUT I'LL PUT WHATEVER YOU TELL ME TO. I KNOW THAT , THAT'S THE POINT. SO WE HAVE EVERYTHING READY TO GO. OUR, OUR DENSITIES, OUR CALIPERS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. IT'S JUST THAT. ALRIGHT, WE GOTTA VOTE ON THAT. SO, WELL, I, I THINK THE POINT IS TO SHOW THE PLAN AND CALL OUT ALL THE PLANTS IN THAT 10, 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP. AND THEN, WELL IF THE 1 9 6 IS APPROVED, THEN WE CAN CARRY THAT OVER. WELL IF WE, IF YOU CHOOSE TO, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ONE NINE. MAYBE WE COULD HAVE LOOKED AT FIRST. WE DIDN'T START WITH TWO. UM, YEAH, I, I DON'T, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. 'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO, WE NEED THE DRAWING OF 2 0 4 WITH WHATEVER PLANT YOU'RE GOING TO USE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT. THAT, WELL YOU HAVE A VER YOU HAVE ONE, BUT YOU'RE CHA YOU WANNA CHANGE TWO OF THE PLANTINGS PER THE ORIGINAL. WELL SHOW IT, SHOW IT TO US AGAIN. YOU WERE TRYING TO FIND IT AND YOU COULDN'T FIND IT. SO IT'S THE ONE WE, IT'S THE ONE WE STARTED ON THAT CALLS OUT THE GRASS THAT YEAH. WASN'T ADEQUATE. SO IT'S PRESENTED, IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE WANTING SOMETHING ELSE THERE, WHICH IS FINE. WHICH WILL CHANGE. SO THAT'S, I'M [03:40:01] THAT IS THE LEAST. THAT WAS THE ONE. THIS IS, THIS WAS THE ONE THAT YOU CHARGED. SO THIS, IS THIS A LANDSCAPING? THIS IS THE ONE WE LOOKED AT. OKAY. SO THAT CALLS OUT OUR TREES. WHAT'S YOUR TITLE? IS THERE AN IS CAN WE TELL THEM THIS IS OKAY? EXCEPT FOR THE FOLLOWING CHANGES? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR MEETING INSINUATED. ALRIGHT. MARTINE BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT OF, UH, KIND OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. MAYBE WE TABLE 2 0 4, WE TABLE IT, TALK ABOUT 1 96 IN THIS MEETING AND TRY TO COME TO CON CONSENSUS ON 1 96 THAT THEN GETS CONVEYED TO 2 0 4. BUT DOES THAT MAKE THINGS MORE CONFUSING? OTHERWISE THIS APPLICATION GETS DEFERRED AND IT'S GONNA BE TWO MONTHS BEFORE WE HEAR IT AGAIN. IT'S GONNA BE OCTOBER. WELL, IT'LL STILL BE TWO MONTHS. RIGHT? WELL, OKAY, THE POINT IS CAN WE TABLE IT AND TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE IN THE SAME MEETING AND PUT BACK ON LATER? JUST COME BACK TO IT. EXACTLY. SO SAME DAY BECAUSE I, I DO BELIEVE IT. I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE PERSON, BUT THE DRAWING OF 1 96 MORE CONVEYS. I THINK THE VISION WITH THE TREES AND THE, AND THE PLANTINGS. GRANTED YOU HAVE A WALL AND TWO A FOUR TO TALK ABOUT, BUT IF WE CAN GET 1 96 DISCUSSED, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO BRING THE OTHER ONE OFF TABLE AND REFERENCE THAT ONE AS APPROVED. WE JUST TABLE THE LANDSCAPING, APPROVE THE NOVATION. OKAY, SO I'M SORRY, I'M OUT OF ORDER. NO, NO, NO. I THINK WE COULD JUST SAY LET'S LOOK AT 1 96. WE COME BACK TWO FOUR I THINK IF YOU THINK THAT 1 96, I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE TO UP THE VOTE ANYWAY. ALRIGHT, LET'S DO THIS THEN. UM, , CAN WE, CAN WE VOTE ON THE ARCHITECTURAL? YES, WE CAN. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA GO, WE CAN VOTE ON THE ARCHITECTURAL PART OF 2 0 4. UM, YES. IF THE, IF THE WORDING IS TABLING 2 0 4 FOR THE LANDSCAPE, CAN WE, CAN WE TABLE IT FOR 30 MINUTES? IT'S, THIS IS PART OF THE SAME, IT'S A SEPARATE APPLICATION BUT PART OF THE SAME LOT OR WAS PART OF THE SAME PARCEL. SO YEAH, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T APPROVE ELEVATION MATERIALS WITH CONDITIONS. I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. LANDSCAPE AND DO ONE AND, AND IT'S BEING REQUIRED BY SHOW STACK TO BE CONSIDERED TOGETHER FOR THE LANDSCAPING. SO THAT'S GOOD POINT. IT KIND OF, SO THE POINT IS WHAT YOU SHOWED US ON LANDSCAPING HERE ISN'T WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO ANYWAY ON THIS PIECE, PIECE OF PAPER BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO MATCH 1 96, WHICH IS DIFFERENT, RIGHT? I MEAN I, IT'S SO IF 1 96 IS YOUR PREFERENCE OF WHAT MATERIALS YOU WANT TO USE, THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT ONE FIRST. YES. THAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE. YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. WAS THE DIRECTION FROM DAVID TO HAVE THE TWO SITES MATCH OR COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER? LIKE DO NEED TO BE THE SAME MATERIALS ACROSS THE BOARD? IS THAT WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR OR? UM, IT WAS, IT SAID, WELL, YOU GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. OKAY. IT SAID HAVE THE TWO PARTIES COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER TO CREATE AN APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPE PLAN SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO MATCH, THEY CAN JUST COMPLIMENT, JUST CONTINUITY, SOME KIND OF CONTINUITY. AND ULTIMATELY IT'S OUR APPROVAL ON THIS LANDSCAPE STRIP. SO AS THIS PLAN IS SHOWN NOW, THE TREES DON'T FIT THE CONDITION, THEY DON'T SATISFY THE CONDITION. SO COULD JUST PROPOSE A SUBSTITUTE THAT WOULD FIT THE CONDITION? I WOULD THINK SO. AND, AND, AND THEN TALK TO THE, THE MULLY GRASS ON THE FRONTAGE. YEAH. AND THEN PUT A CONDITION ON THAT AND APPROVE IT THAT WAY. MM-HMM . AND SEND IT. I THINK SO. SEEMS LIKE A LOGICAL, I THINK THAT WORKS. YOU MIGHT WANT TO, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL DRAWING FINAL LOCATIONS TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF. FINAL LOCATIONS TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF BASED ON THE, UH, RELOCATED DRIVEWAY TO THE WEST SIDE SITE. MARTINE, YOU CAN TABLE AND COME BACK IN THE SAME MEETING. WE HAVE A BETTER PLAN. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THIS. I THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT UP. OKAY. OKAY. I'VE ASKED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK WE'RE ALRIGHT. SO WE NEED TO APPROVE THE LANDSCAPING STRIP ALONG MARIETTA STREET AS A DRB AND THEN EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS OF MATERIALS. ALRIGHT. DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO CRAFT A MOTION FOR LANDSCAPING? WHAT DO WE WANNA START WITH HEATHER FIRST? CAN WE START SO I CAN DO ELEVATION MATERIALS? YEAH, YEAH, LET'S DO ARCHITECT ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS. ALRIGHT, UM, DID WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT? YES. YES. [03:45:01] OKAY. SORRY. . UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING D RRB 2 6 0 0 1 7, UH, 2 0 4 MARIETTA STREET, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EXTERIOR AND SITE PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THE SITE WALL AND FENCE AND COLUMNS ALONG THE MARIETTA STREET FRONTAGE WILL MAINTAIN THE SAME HEIGHT RELATIVE TO THE GRADE AND STEP DOWN AS REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE GREAT CHANGE ALONG THE FRONTAGE. THE RETAINING WALL ON THE OLD MILTON SIDE OF THE SITE, THE SOUTH SIDE HAS BEEN REMOVED PER THE APPLICANT AND WILL BE DEALT WITH, UH, GRADE CHANGE. UH, THE CHIMNEY, UH, AS PRESENTED, WILL BE REVISED TO BE THE BRICK THAT MATCHES THE FACADES. UH, AND THE SCREENING OF THE HVAC, UH, SHALL BE, UH, DESIGNED THE FOLLOWING MATERIALS, UH, BRICK COLUMNS TO MATCH THE EXTERIOR MASONRY, UH, AND, UH, METAL SLATS. UH, UH, PRE-FINISHED BLACK TO MATCH THE TRIM ON THE BUILDING AND MOTION. OKAY. OKAY. MOTION BY, UH, ROWAN. SECOND BY OWENS. COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE MOTION SAID SITE PLAN. ARE WE APPROVING SITE? NO, WE'RE NOT. IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT THE WALLS, RIGHT? YEAH. WELL, I I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE NOT OFFICIALLY APPROVING THE SITE PLAN. YEAH, IT WAS, YEAH, IT WASN'T SAID THAT THIS WAS THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, SO IT WAS JUST A, A REFERENCE WHERE RE WHERE SHEET. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. YEAH, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. I COULD RESTATE IT IF YOU LIKE. NO, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE OKAY. IT'S OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE MOTION? ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UM, ALRIGHT. I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. ALL OPPOSED? ALL POSITION. SO MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. OKAY. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN CRAFT SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPE. SORRY, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WE HAD ON THE SCREEN? THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ALL RIGHT. MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING DRB 2 6 0 0 1 7, ALUM LUXURY HOMES 2 0 4 MARIETTA STREET. UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP. WE WERE REVIEWING TODAY WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE EUROPEAN HORN BEAM SHOWN WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE STRIP ARE CHANGED TO A SHADE TREE. UM, PRINCETON ELMER. SIMILAR TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE PROXIMITY TO THE POWER LINES. UM, ALSO WITH ADDITION THAT THE NEWLY GRASS AT THE FRONT OF THE WALL IS CHANGED TO A MIXTURE OF LOW GROWING EVERGREEN AND, UM, DECIDUOUS FLOWERING PLANTINGS. END OF MOTION. I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY SPRAYBERRY. SECOND BY SWING. COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION? UM, THE SHADE TREE SELECTION BY STAFF? YEAH. YEAH. COULD WE HAVE ALL REVIEWED BY STAFF ADDED TO THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? YES. ALSO, THE FINAL LOCATIONS TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF. ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, HOLD ON A SECOND. WHO'S OFFERING THE, YEAH, HANG ON A SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, BY SPRAYBERRY, SECOND BY SWING. ALRIGHT. SOMEBODY GONNA OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. SO IT'S A, IT'S THE SELECTION OF TREES IN THE PLACEMENT, RIGHT? CORRECT. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION AT THE, UH, SPECIFIC SHADE TREE SELECTION AND PLACEMENT. WE'LL HAVE FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF. OKAY. YOU'RE MAKING A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, SO I NEED TO GET YOUR OKAY ON THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. SO DO YOU JENNIFER. JENNIFER FIRST. OKAY. I GUESS I'LL GO WITH JENNIFER. YES. SO YOU MADE THE MOTION. SO DO YOU ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? YES, I ACCEPT. ALL RIGHT, MR. SWING, DO YOU ACCEPT YOUR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? YES, I DO. OKAY. FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS. GONNA ACCEPT IT. . OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION WITH THE AMENDMENT? THERE BEING NONE. I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF A MOTION WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 1, 2, 2, 4, 5, 6. ALL OPPOSED? NO OPPOSITION. MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. OKAY. WHEW. [03:50:01] ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. WELL DONE. WE STILL HAVE 1 96 TO DO. OKAY. I KNOW WE'RE PAST, UH, 12 O'CLOCK LUNCH. CAN WE, UH, LET'S, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE, WE'LL CONTINUE ON. SO, WE'LL, UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT 1 96 [5. DRB260018     Elan Luxury Homes     196 Marietta St review new construction] MART STREET AT THIS POINT, PLEASE. OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING ON WHILE YOU'RE THERE. WHILE WE'RE HERE? YEAH. LANDSCAPING IS UP. UM, OKAY. WHAT ARE THE MATERIALS IN THE, I'M WORKING ON THIS. AND AGAIN, ON THIS ONE WE'RE JUST DOING THE 10 SKATE, 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP, CORRECT? ON THIS LOT AS WELL? YES. OKAY. I THINK I FOUND THAT THE, THERE ARE SUGAR MAPLES AND THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. MM-HMM . SHE'S, I GOT IT. I CAN'T GO ANYWHERE, I THINK, I THINK DO HERE. OH, THIS IS GONNA BE INTERESTING. ALL YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH THE TREES BELOW IT. PLANTINGS, WE, ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT? WE CAN'T, YEAH. YEAH, WE CAN'T SEE THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DESCRIBE IT. WE CAN'T, THE OVERHEAD IS NOT BEING PULLED UP HERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT I CAN PULL IT UP HERE. YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, THIS HOME, UM, HAS NO, HAS NO WALL BEHIND IT. UM, HAS CALL IT A STEM WALL AROUND THE PERIMETER, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A BRICK FACADE TO MATCH THE REST AND THE, ALL THE PLANTINGS. UM, DO YOU WANNA START WITH THE STRIP UP HERE SINCE THAT'S YOUR MAIN YES. LET'S DO THAT, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS ONE IS SHOWING 28. WHERE'S 28? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO SHOW? WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU GUYS? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE LANDSCAPE IN THE LANDSCAPE IN THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP? WHAT ARE THE MATERIALS PLEASE? UP A LITTLE BIT. SO 10 FOOT BUFFER UNTIL INTERSECTION WITH STORM AMUSEMENT. UH, I SEE. LOOKS LIKE A THREE A SG, WHATEVER THAT STANDS FOR. THOSE ARE SUGAR MAPLE. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE LGM MAGNOLIA. YEP. AND THEN IED NO, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE MARIETTA STREET LANDSCAPE STRIP. NOT GOING DOWN THE SIDE. JUST THE, IS THAT TECH FOOT STRIP ALONG MART. OKAY. CTR IS, UM, REND. YEP. PURPLE. THAT'S CTR, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? MM-HMM . CORRECT. OKAY. A BB IS CLAC. CARPA, AMERICANA. AND THEN THE SMALL, AND THEN LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE STRIP. WHAT ARE THE, THERE'S TWO LARGER PLANTS BETWEEN THE TREES. LOOKS LIKE MAYBE A SMALLER TREE OR WHAT ARE THOSE? IT'S, UH, 10 12. THAT'S THE SAME AS IT'S REPRESENTED IS LGM. WHAT'S LGM? MAGNOLIA IMAGE. LITTLE G LITTLE JIM. MAGNOLIA. MAGNOLIA. UM, AND THEN, LET'S SEE, WHAT'S LOR AND WHAT'S I A STAND FOR LAURA PLUM. AND THEN, UM, UM, AND THEN, UH, IT COME FLO ANDUM, WHICH IS ALBA. AND THEN WHAT'S THE KIND OF BASE MATERIAL? IS IT MULCH, HEIN STRAW MULCH, SOD, MULCH. AND YOU SAID YOU DID SAY THERE'S NO WALL. NO WALL IN FRONT OF THIS RESIDENCE. SO LOOKING AT THE, WHERE THE LANDSCAPE STRIP [03:55:01] IS RIGHT BEHIND THE LANDSCAPE STRIP ON THIS PLAN, IS THAT PAVERS OR CONCRETE OR WHAT IS THAT MATERIAL? YES, THAT'S THE WALKWAY, CORRECT? RIGHT HERE? MM-HMM . YEAH. YEAH. ALLWAY FROM THE DRIVEWAY. PAVERS. I'M SORRY. PAVERS. OKAY. AND THEN WHERE YOUR HAND IS TO, TO YOUR RIGHT GOING EAST, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE THERE'S THE BOTTOM IS LOOKS LIKE STEPS GOING INTO THE FRONT DOOR. CORRECT. AND THEN IF YOU HEAD TO THE RIGHT, TO MY RIGHT, YOUR RIGHT PAST THAT LINE, IS THAT THEN SOD OVER THERE OR WHAT IS CORRECT? GRASS? YES. OKAY. AND THEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OVER, I SEE A SQUARE LOOKS LIKE IT MAY BE A PILLAR OR A COLUMN. FREE STANDING THERE FARTHER. PUT THAT THAT'S RIGHT HERE. THAT'S PART OF THE STORM WATER. A TENSION. AH, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. OKAY. CORRECT. IT'S LIKE A, A DROP INLET OR A GRATE OR SOMETHING. IT IS. OKAY. BUT THAT'S ALL SAWED? YES. MM-HMM . OKAY. OKAY. AND THIS, UH, USE YOUR POINT OR SHOW US WHERE THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP IS, THE LIMITS OF IT. POLICE? YOU CAN, NO, ON THE AREA SIDE? YEAH. IT'S BETWEEN THIS DOTTED LINE. OKAY. AND THIS DOTTED LINE. SO THAT'S THE 10 FOOT STRIP THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON. OKAY. DOES THAT PROVIDE, DOES THAT MEET COUNSEL CONDITIONS? I HAVE TO GO BACK AND READ THAT AGAIN. I BELIEVE IT DOES. AND I LIKE THE MIXTURE OF THE PLANTINGS HERE. UM, IT WOULD BE NICE JUST AS A SIDE NOTE TO MAYBE INCORPORATE SOME GROUND COVER IN THAT BED. UM, BUT THERE'S NO CONDITION TO DO THAT. UM, THE SUGAR MAPLES, UM, I FEEL LIKE THESE TREES ARE A LITTLE CLOSER IN PROXIMITY TO THE POWER LINES. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER, TO 2 0 4, I THINK THAT WE'D BE MAYBE BETTER TO CHOOSE A SELECTION OF TREE THAT, UM, HAS MORE OF A VASE SHAPE OR, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED THE PRINCETON ELM BEFORE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T HAVE GROWN UP AND OUTRIGHT STILL SATISFY YOUR OVERSTORY SHADE TREE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CONDITION. UM, BUT THEN YOU'D HAVE LESS, UH, CONFLICT WITH POWER LINES EVERY TIME. OKAY. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I FEEL LIKE THIS DOES SATISFY THE, CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? YES. REGARDING, THIS IS REALLY FOR YOU MM-HMM . UH, LIKE FROM A CURB APPEAL PERSPECTIVE, ONE OF THESE, UH, THE A SG TREE IS CENTERED LIKE RIGHT ON THE, THE FRONT DOOR OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? ? MM. IS IS THAT YOU THINK FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT DOESN'T MATTER REALLY IN THE DISTANCE OFF OF THERE, BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT. UM, IF, IF WE'RE COMING OUT OF THAT FRONT DOOR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A TREE, IT'D BE NICE. AND BECAUSE THERE'S THREE OF 'EM, WE CAN TAKE THE CENTER TREE OUT AND PUT A COUPLE OF SMALLER TREES IN THERE THAT YOU'D BE LOOKING THROUGH TO SEE THE STREET. I WOULD AGREE. 'CAUSE I THINK IT LINES UP WITH THE TWO TREES IN THE STREET. YEAH. STRIP, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES FRAME IT VERY WELL WITH THE TWO THERE, TWO THERE, AND THEN HAVING TWO SMALLER LOWER TREES ON EITHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF THE SINGULAR. I AGREE. I KNOW THAT. UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR SPACINGS AND YOU'VE GOT SHADE TREES AT X, YOU KNOW, LINEAR FEET AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTORY IN BETWEEN. SO I THINK THAT IF WE MAYBE SPREAD THIS OUT A LITTLE FURTHER OVER, IF YOU EXPANDED THAT LANDSCAPE BED, YOU COULD KIND OF TWEAK THE PLACEMENT OF THOSE TREES TO KIND OF FRAME YOUR, YOUR DOORWAY. UM, BUT THAT DOES BECOME A LITTLE TRICKY WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SATISFY SOME OF THE SPECIFIC YEAH, WELL YOU HAVE A, A LOT. YEAH. YES. SO, UM, SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE THREE, WELL IT'S, IT'S KIND OF CALCULATION BASED ON YOUR LINEAR FOOTAGE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO, YOUR TREES CAN BE A MAXIMUM SPACING FOR YOUR OVER STORY AND THEN IF THERE'S CERTAIN SPACING APART, THEN YOU NEED AN UNDERSTORY IN BETWEEN. SO THERE'S CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. COULD YOU, WELL, I'M NOT TOUCHING THE STREET TREES. I WAS GONNA SAY, CAN YOU FLIP 'EM SO THAT STREET TREES ARE ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE, UH, SHADE TREES IN OUR LANDSCAPE STRIP ARE ON THE INSIDE. SO YOU COULD FRAME THE ENTRANCE. I DON'T KNOW IT WOULD IT, WOULD IT MEET THE REQUIREMENT THERE? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT WOULD JUST FALL TO DAVID TO, TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE, I WOULD STATE TO HAVE THIS REALLY, IF WE COULD GROUP NICE FACADE. RIGHT. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A TREE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FRONT DOOR. , I THINK IT'D BE A BENEFIT IF, IF IT'S NOT A REQUIRED TREE THAT IT, THAT IT GO AWAY AND MAYBE THEY HUG THE OTHER TWO A LITTLE BIT OR THEY, IT EXPANDS OUT TO THE, OR EXPANDS OUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER SIDE BIT. IF WE COULD PUSH IT THAT WAY. YEAH, I'LL GIVE THAT TO STEP. OKAY. [04:00:01] IT'S A SIX INCH CALIBER, SO IT'S A BIG TREE. SO IT'S PROBABLY A REQUIRED RIGHT. FOR, FOR DENSITY. AND IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE HOUSE. YOU THINK ABOUT IT TOO. YEAH. IT'S 20 FEET FROM THE HOUSE. WE CAN SHIFT IT SHIFTING. IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. OKAY, GOOD, GOOD POINT. ANY OTHER LANDSCAPE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, IF NOT, THEN BE, LET'S MOVE TO THE EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS PLEASE SWITCH. GETTING CLOSE. ALRIGHT, SO FOR THE GO. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE BRICK FOR UM, IF YOU'LL SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE. THANK YOU. SORRY, I CAN HAVE BRICK. I WOULD RATHER BE THAT. SO THIS IS THE BRICK THAT'LL BE USED ON THE FACADE, CHIMNEY AND THE WING WALLS AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THEN WE'VE GOT, UM, THE OLD WHITE CHATEAU. IT'S A TEXAS LIMESTONE THAT ARE GONNA BE USED ON A COUPLE OF THE FRONT FACADES. UM, AND THEN THE SHINGLES FOR THIS HOME ARE A COMPOSITE CEDAR SHAKE, UM, IN AGE CEDAR. AND THEN, UM, THE TRIM ON THIS HOME FOR THE, UH, SOFFIT AND FASCIA WILL BE IRON ORE. AND THEN WE'VE GOT BLACK P WINDOWS, FRONT DOOR TRIM, UM, WINDOWS AND THEN, UM, RAILING FOR THE JULIET BALCONY. WHAT'S THE MORTAR FOR THE BRICK AND STONE? THERE WILL BE BUFF BUFF AGAIN. OKAY. AND JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE MM-HMM . YOU HAVE ANOTHER RENDERING OF ANOTHER ELEVATION YES. THAT YOU CAN SHOW US PLEASE. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, THE SIDE THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE VIEW FROM 2 0 4 MARIETTA. IF I WAS LOOKING TO MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, UM, THIS IS THAT SAME SIDE, JUST KIND OF FROM THE REAR. THIS IS THE BACK RIGHT CORNER OF THE HOME. SO, UM, IF I WAS STANDING KIND OF ON THE LEFT SIDE AND LOOKING TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE HOME, THAT WOULD BE YOUR VIEW FROM OLD MILTON. OKAY. UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS WE HAD WAS WHERE ARE YOUR, UM, CONDENSING UNITS FOR YOUR AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM? SO, SO THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE. UH, THIS HOMEOWNER'S VERY, UH, VERY MUCH AN HVC PROFESSIONAL, IN FACT MIGHT BE THE MOST ADVANCED IN THE, THE WORLD. UM, RIGHT HERE WOULD BE THE CONDENSING UNIT. AND THERE'S AN OPTION TO MOVE IT IF YOU DO NOT FEEL THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE. BUT THIS IS WHERE TWO CONDENSING UNITS ARE GONNA GO. LIKE A 32, YOU KNOW, 32 32 CONCRETE PAD TIMES TWO. AND IS THAT BEING SCREENED? ARE THOSE BEING SCREENED? IT IS BEING SCREENED. UM, WE USED THE SAME DETAILS WE DID ON THE PREVIOUS, THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL OR WHATEVER. UM, YEAH, SUBMITTAL. SO WE'LL USE THE, THE STONE COLUMN AGAIN WITH THE PRE-FINISHED BLACK METAL, UH, FENCING TO SCREEN. OKAY. YEAH. TIME'S UP. SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO, SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO CALL HER. UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STUFF. JUST RE REREADING THESE CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CORRECT THINGS. ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS, YOU KNOW. GOT THAT. I THINK THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL. UM, SO THE ONE THING THAT YOU WROTE ON YOUR NOTES WAS THE GARAGE UNITS SHOULD NOT EXCEED FOUR. SO WHERE DID, THAT'S NOT US. THAT GETS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT SOMEWHERE ELSE, CORRECT? I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S WEIRD THAT, THAT'S IN THE DRB THING. UM, YOU DON'T HAVE [04:05:01] FIVE GARAGE DOORS, RIGHT? NO, WE'VE GOT THREE IN A GYM, SO I OKAY. FOUR DOORS. OKAY. SO RENDERINGS, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT, THEY GOT AWAY FROM ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S A THREE E CAR OR TWO CAR. UM, LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN. THERE IS A, UM, A BUILDING THERE TOWARDS NEAR OLD MILTON PARKWAY. THAT'S A STANDALONE, IT'S ALMOST SQUARE IN, CORRECT? THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE GYM. THAT'S THE GYM, OKAY. YES. AND THAT IS AGAIN, THAT, THAT IS BRICK, SAME MATERIALS AS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. OKAY. YEP. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, I HAD A QUESTION IN GENERAL REGARDING THE DOWNSPOUTS AND SCOTT IN GUTTERS MM-HMM . UM, THE ELEVATIONS DON'T SHOW WHERE THE DOWNSPOUTS ARE OCCURRING. ARE THEY INTERNAL OR NO, WE JUST, DEANNA DOESN'T, DEANNA DOESN'T DRAW 'EM. AND AI, WE'D HAVE TO, WE, WE COULD DRAW THEM FOR YOU, BUT NO, NONE OF OUR DRAWINGS EVER HAVE 'EM. SO IN GENERAL, THEY JUST OCCUR ON THE CORNERS OF THE BUILDINGS. CORRECT. IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, WHERE, WHERE IT'S RECESSED IN, YOU'D RUN DOWN FROM THERE. YOUR COLLECTION WOULD BE THERE. UM, AND THEN THE OUTSIDE EDGES OF THE EAVES, YOU, WELL, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT. NEVERMIND. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I WILL ASK, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS APPLICATION? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. LIKE, UH, 2 0 4 WE HAVE LANDSCAPING TO APPROVE AND WE HAVE THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS TO APPROVE. SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING DRB 2 6 0 0 1 8 ON 1 96 MARIETTA STREET, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ARCHITECTURE AND MATERIALS, UM, AS PRESENTED, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE, UH, SCREENING OF THE HVAC UH, SHALL UTILIZE, UH, MASONRY OR STONE MATERIAL TO MATCH THE, UH, EXTERIOR FACADES. UH, FOR THE COLUMNS ON THE ENDS WITH METAL SLATS, UH, IN THE FIELDS IN BETWEEN THESE COLUMNS AND A MOTION. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. MOTION BY ROWAN. SECOND BY SWING. COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE BEING NONE I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. ALL OPPOSED NO OPPOSITION. MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. ALRIGHT. LANDSCAPING. OKAY. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING DRB 2 6 0 0 1 8, UH, ON LUXURY HOMES 1 96 MARIETTA STREET, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP AS SHOWN WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT WE CHANGE THE SUGAR MAPLE TO A MORE UPRIGHT SHADE TREE. UM, SIMILAR, UH, TO THE PRINCETON ELM, UH, TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF, UH, CONSIDER ADDING A PERENNIAL GROUND COVER TO THE LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG THE FRONTAGE. AND THEN, UM, ALSO TRY TO PLACE THE TREES WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE STRIP SO THAT THEY FRAME THE FRONT ENTRANCE, UM, INSTEAD OF BEING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE FRONT DOOR. END OF MOTION. SECOND. OKAY. UH, MOTION BY SWING. A SECOND BY OWENS COMMENTS. MOTION WAS BY, UH, SPRAYBERRY, SIR. I'M SORRY. SPRAYBERRY? YES. SORRY. MOTION BY SPRAYBERRY. SECOND BY S GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF, . OKAY. UH, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION? BE NOW, CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. ALL OPPOSED, NO OPPOSITION. MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON. APPRECIATE IT FOR Y'S TIME. OKAY. THERE BEING NO FURTHER APPLICATIONS AND WITH NO, UH, OPPOSITION FROM FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. THIS MEETING IS HEREBY ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.