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I'D[1. CALL TO ORDER]
LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2026.UM, AND I'LL, WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL.
APPARENTLY ALL OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE HERE.
AND WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES.
YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FIRST.
PARDON? YOU CAN DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
WE'LL SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDERG GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF MAY 21ST, 2026.I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE READ THEM IN AND PLEASE INDICATE IF YOU APPROVE, UH, IF YOU'RE APPROVED FIRST.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF MAY 21ST, CONNIE AND A SECOND.
[a. Announcement of Public Hearing Procedure]
READ THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURE.AN INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING TO BE HEARD ON A MATTER RELATED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING MUST BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.
UPON RISING TO SPEAK, THE SPEAKER MUST IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR HERSELF AND FURNISH A HOME OR BUSINESS ADDRESS BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS.
THE COMMISSION WILL ALLOW THE PROPONENTS A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION.
OPPONENTS WILL BE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
COMMENTS ARE ACCEPTED FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY PERSON SPEAKING IN FAVOR, AND THEN FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION.
SO THE PUBLIC COMMENT IN FAVOR IS PART OF THE APPLICANT'S 10 MINUTES.
UPON CONCLUSION OF ANY OPPOSING COMMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS, THE CHAIR WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO OFFER REBUTTAL IF ANY TIME IS REMAINING IN THE ORIGINAL ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES AND THE CHAIR HAS DISCRETION TO ALLOW MORE TIME IF NEEDED.
[b. PH-26-15 John C. Weatherford House/193 Canton Street – Certificate of Appropriateness
Consideration of a request for Certificate of Appropriateness related to the rehabilitation of the John C. Weatherford House. The property is located at 193 Canton Street and is legally described as being located in Land Lots 1197 & 1252, 2nd District, 2nd Section, Fulton County, Georgia.]
MR. WOODMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION ON BEHALF OF THE STAFF? THANK YOU, CHAIRWOMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
THE ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON IS A REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REHABILITATE THE JOHN C WEATHERFORD HOUSE FOR USE AS A RESIDENCE.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSED TO RECONSTRUCT THE STRUCTURE IN A STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND HISTORICALLY CONSISTENT MANNER, WHICH INCLUDES A TWO-STORY ADDITION AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
DUE TO THE PRESENCE OF UNSUITABLE SOILS, A SUBSTANDARD FOUNDATION AND STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DECONSTRUCT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE BY HAND, REUSE SALVAGEABLE EXTERIOR MATERIALS, AND REBUILD A STRUCTURALLY SOUND HOME.
HAVE THE LOCATION MAP ON THE OVERHEAD.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 93 CANTON STREET.
IT'S NEAR THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MAYFIELD ROAD AND CANTON STREET.
THIS IS A MORE RECENT AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS THE WEATHERFORD HOUSE HERE, SOME STREET VIEWS OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND THIS IS A VIEW OF THE STRUCTURE HERE FROM THE INTERSECTION OF CANTON STREET IN MAYFIELD.
JOHN C WEATHERFORD HOUSE IS CONSTRUCTED SOMETIME BETWEEN 1910 AND 1920.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 106 TO HUNDRED AND 16 YEARS OLD, AND THE STRUCTURE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE.
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PROBABLY, UH, RECALL, THE PROPERTY WAS APPROVED IN 2021 TO ALLOW 16, A 16 LOT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED SUBDIVISION WITH THE WEATHERFORD HOUSE, UH, BEING THE 16TH, I'M SORRY, THE 17TH LOT.AND THE OVERALL PROPERTY ACREAGE IS 2.4 ACRES.
MOST OF THE HOMES, UH, LINE, UM, MAYFIELD AND CANTON STREET WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT, UM, WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT OF THAT INCLUDED THE, UH, PRESERVATION AND REHABILITATION OF THE JOHN C WEATHERFORD HOUSE FOR USE AS A RESIDENCE OR AN OFFICE.
UM, COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL REQUIRED THAT THE WEATHERFORD HOUSE BE DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC, AND THE APPLICANT DID THAT, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED ON MAY 5TH, 2025 LAST YEAR.
SO WE HAVE, UM, A FEW, UH, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THIS, UH, BY THE COMMISSION IN THE PAST.
ONE THAT WASN'T APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED PRIOR TO THE EXISTENCE OF THE, UM, ALPHARETTA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WAS THE REESE HOUSE.
AND, UH, WE SHOWED THIS, IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE APPLICANT'S, UH, PROPOSAL BECAUSE THE REESE HOUSE WAS ACTUALLY RAISED AND THEN A REPLICA WAS RECONSTRUCTED.
THAT WAS THE LOCATION AT 1 2 5 9 9 BROADWELL ROAD.
AND THIS IS, UH, THE, THE, UH, ELEVATION THAT WAS PROVIDED DURING THE REZONING OF THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AND IT WAS A, FOR A 2,400, UH, FOOT STRUCTURE TO BE USED FOR A MEDICAL OFFICE.
AND THIS IS WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT AS A REPLICA OF THE REESE HOUSE.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UM, BUT IT WAS SOME, AN EXAMPLE THAT WAS SIMILAR.
SO THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S SITE PLAN FOR LOT NINE IS THE WEATHERFORD HOUSE THAT'S HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR HOMES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT ARE CLOSEST TO, UH, THE INTERSECTION OF MAYFIELD AND CANTON STREET.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THOSE FOUR HOMES.
THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT HERE.
AND THIS IS THE WEATHERFORD HOUSE HERE.
SO THIS REPRESENTS THAT, UH, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THE ADDITION ON THE BACK OF THAT STRUCTURE.
THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE IS APPROXIMATELY 2,786 SQUARE FEET THAT WOULD REMAIN.
THE TWO STORY ADDITION ON THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE IS APPROXIMATELY 1,185 SQUARE FEET.
THE ADDITION PROVIDES, AND SO THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOME.
THE ADDITION IS AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE HERE.
AND SO THAT ADDITION REPRESENTS INTERIOR SPACE FOR BEDROOMS AND BATHROOMS, AS WELL AS THE TWO CAR GARAGE.
ACCESS TO THE GARAGE IS BY WAY OF A NEW INTERNAL ALLEY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT ALLEY HAS BEEN NAMED WEATHERFORD LANE, THAT THE NAME OF THE SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN NAMED RESIDENCES AT JACKSON PARK.
AND THE ALLEY, UM, THAT THIS, UH, THE WEATHERFORD HOUSE IS OFF OF HAS BEEN NAMED WEATHERFORD LANE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ASSIGNED, UH, WITH THE CITY.
SO THE, UH, PROPOSED OVERALL FINISH, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE STRUCTURE IS APPROXIMATELY JUST UNDER 4,000, UH, SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE STRUCTURE.
THIS IS THE ADDITION AT THE BACK WOULD BE IN THIS PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE GETTING TO THE PROPOSED RENDERINGS AND ELEVATIONS.
UH, SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED RENDERING OF THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME.
THE APPLICANT DID MAINTAIN, UM, THE PORCH IN ITS, UH, CURRENT CONFIGURATION.
A PREVIOUS PROPOSAL HAD PROPOSED TO ENCLOSE A PORTION OF THE PORCH.
THEY DID MODIFY THE PLANS, UH, TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE DOWNTOWN CONSULTANTS COMMENTS, UM, INCLUDING KEEPING THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS, THE CHIMNEYS, UH, AND THE DORMER.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS.
SO THE FRONT OF THE HOME IS HERE.
THESE CLOUDED AREAS JUST REPRESENT, UH, THESE ARE, THESE ARE UPDATED PLANS FROM THEIR INITIAL SUBMITTAL TO THE CITY.
AND SO THE CLOUDED AREAS REPRESENT WHERE THE APPLICANT MADE CHANGES TO COMPLY WITH MARKUPS AND
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COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN CONSULTANT.SO THEY MADE CHANGES TO THE, UH, CHIMNEYS TO BE MORE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.
THIS IS THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD SEE FROM WEATHERFORD LANE FROM THE ALLEY.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE SIDE ELEVATIONS OF THE STRUCTURE, THE TWO SIDE EL ELEVATIONS.
SO THE, THE SIDE THAT IS FACING SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS DIFFERENTIATED BY THE ROOF LINE FROM THE ADDITION THAT'S IN THE BACK.
UM, AND, UH, BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE DOWNTOWN CONSULTANT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE LEFT SIDE.
SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT WOULD FACE THE ENTRANCE.
THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE A AS I MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING EXTERIOR MATERIALS ARE PROPOSED TO BE SAFE AND REUSED, WHERE FEASIBLE UN SALVAGE MATERIALS WOULD BE REPLACED WITH THE SAME OR SIMILAR MATERIAL.
UM, THAT REAR EDITION, AGAIN, WAS VISUALLY DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE US SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR, UH, STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
UH, THAT, THAT, UM, INDICATES THAT THE ANY ADDITIONS TO A HISTORIC STRUCTURE SHOULD STAND ON THEIR OWN.
UM, THEY SHOULD STAND ON THEIR OWN, BUT THEY SHOULD ALSO BE COMPATIBLE WITH REGARD TO MASSING SIZE, SCALE, AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES TO PROTECT THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY, UH, OR HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE APPLICANT'S LETTER OF INTENT STATES THAT THE PRO PROPOSED REHAB WAS, UH, GUIDED BY SEVERAL FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES.
UH, APPLICANT INDICATED THE HISTORIC RESIDENT SHOULD REMAIN THE DEFINING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHY THE ADDITION WAS PLACED AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, THE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDING MATERIALS AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES SHOULD BE PRESERVED WHENEVER FEASIBLE, AND THAT THE REHAB SHOULD IN, UH, ENSURE LONG-TERM PRESERVATION, MAKING THE STRUCTURE SAFE, FUNCTIONAL, AND ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT.
THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, TAKEN SOME RECENT STEPS TO STABILIZE THE STRUCTURE.
UH, THEY HAVE AT THE, UM, REQUEST OF, UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
THE APPLICANT DID ADD THE EXIST, THE TEMPORARY ROOF TARP THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THEY HAD BEEN WORKING ON STRUCTURAL STAB STABILIZATION MEASURES, UH, TO STABILIZE THE STRUCTURE.
THE APPLICATION NOTED THAT ALLUVIAL SOIL SOILS WERE FOUND UNDERNEATH THE STRUCTURE, UH, WHICH ARE COMMON NEAR BODIES OF WATER.
THERE'S A STREAM, UH, THAT RUNS THROUGH THIS PROPERTY, AND THAT'S WHY THOSE SOILS ARE PRESENT.
UH, THOSE TYPES OF SOILS PRESENT SIGNIFICANT CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTION CHALLENGES DUE TO BEING PRONE TO SHIFTING AND SETTLING, AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BE MITIGATED, WHETHER THAT'S REMOVAL, UH, COMPACTION, UH, HELICAL PIERS, UH, STONE COLUMNS, GROUTING, THERE'S A VARIETY OF METHODS THAT YOU CAN, UH, TAKE, UH, TO MITIGATE THEM.
UH, ENGINE, ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED, ENGINEERED CONCRETE AND STEEL REINFORCED WALLS WERE CONSTRUCTED ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE REAR TO THE FRONT TO SAFELY SUPPORT THE STRUCTURE.
THE BROKEN EXTERIOR WALL BLOCKS WERE REMOVED.
UH, ALLUVIAL SOILS EXCAVATED PRIOR TO THE INSULATION OF THE ENGINEERED WALL, AND THEN STEEL SUPPORTS WERE ERECTED UNDER THE LEFT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE TO ALLOW FOR FURTHER EXCAVATION.
TEMPORARY WALLS BRACING WERE INSTALLED UNDER THE STRUCTURE AND DECK FOR ADDED SUPPORT, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
THIS IS FROM THEIR ENGINEER REPORT.
THIS IS THAT WALL THAT'S BEEN ADDED.
OF COURSE, AS PART OF THIS REVIEW, THE CITY REACHED OUT TO OUR DOWNTOWN CONSULTANT.
OUR DOWNTOWN CONSULTANT IS AN ARCHITECT OUT OF DALLAS, TEXAS.
HE IS IS AN EXPERT IN HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE.
HE HAS, UM, A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH, UH, RESTORATIONS AND REHABILITATIONS.
SO HE DID RE, UH, REVIEW THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL, UH, HE AND PROVIDED INITIALLY RECOMMENDATIONS AND MARKUPS, WHICH THE APPLICANT REVIEWED AND ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MARKUPS, UH, CONFORM WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE US SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
THE APPLICANT, UH, THE, I'M, EXCUSE ME, THE DOWNTOWN CONSULTANT IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT'S
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REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BE APPROVED SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED PLANS, AND REQUIRING THAT THE APPLICANT SEEK CITY APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE REPLACEMENT OF EXTERIOR MATERIALS, FEATURES, AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.AND SO THESE ARE THE 10, UM, UH, STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION FOR THE US SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS.
STANDARD TWO, FIVE AND SIX REALLY DEAL WITH THE PRESERVATION OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE AND REUSE AND SALVAGING EXTERIOR MATERIALS.
UH, STANDARD NINE REALLY, UH, DISCUSSES NEW ADDITIONS TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
AND SO THE DOWNTOWN CONSULTANT IS INDICATING THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD COMPLY, UH, BASED ON THE CHANGES THEY MADE TO THE PLANS WOULD COMPLY WITH THESE, UM, CONDITIONS.
THE APPLICANT ALSO PROVIDED A REHABILITATION METHODOLOGY WITH THEIR APPLICATION.
THEY HAD INDICATED THAT THEY CONDUCTED ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL INVESTIGATION AND ENGINEERING ANALYSIS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE EXISTING CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT, WHICH HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND CONFIRMED BY THE CITY'S BUILDING OFFICIAL, IDENTIFIED SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES THAT REQUIRED SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL INTERVENTION IN ORDER TO SAFELY REHAB THE HOME.
THEREFORE, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DECONSTRUCT BY HAND, SAVE AND REUSE EXTERIOR MATERIALS WHERE FEASIBLE REPLACE UNSALVAGEABLE EXTERIOR MATERIALS WITH SAME OR MOST SIMILAR, PARTIALLY AVAILABLE AND REBUILD A STRUCTURALLY SOUND HOME ON A SAFE FOUNDATION.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, THE DE DECONSTRUCTION METHODOLOGY WILL ALLOW MATERIALS AND ELEMENTS TO BE DOCUMENTED, EVALUATED, SALVAGED, AND REINCORPORATED INTO THE REHAB TO RESIDENTS.
MATERIALS THAT CANNOT BE REASONABLY REUSED BECAUSE OF THE DE BECAUSE OF DETERIORATION OR STRUCTURAL LIMITATION, WILL BE REPLACED WITH MATERIALS THAT CLOSELY MATCH.
GO BACK TO, SO THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE THAT THE BOARD, UH, I'M SORRY, THE COMMISSION HAS FOR, UM, APPROVING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THOSE.
SO WHAT IT SAYS OUR ORDINANCE SAYS IS THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION SHALL APPROVE THE APPLICATION AND ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APP APPRO APPROPRIATENESS IF IT FINDS THAT PROPOSED THAT THE PROPOSED MATERIAL CHANGES IN THE APPEARANCE WOULD NOT HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE AESTHETIC, HISTORIC OR ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE AND VALUE OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTY.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA, AND THAT CRI CRITERIA IS WHETHER THE PROPOSED ACTIONS CONFORM AND DESIGN SCALE, BUILDING MATERIAL SETBACK, AND SITE FEATURES TO THE UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR THE TREATMENT OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
AND THOSE ARE THE STANDARDS THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU.
UH, STAFF LOOKED AT THAT CRITERIA.
WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAD ADDRESSED THE DOWNTOWN CONSULTANTS' RECOMMENDATIONS AND MARKUPS TO COMPLY WITH THE US SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR RE REHAB, SUBJECT TO REQUIRING THAT THE APPLICANT SEEK CITY APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE REPLACEMENT OF EXTERIOR MATERIALS, FEATURES, AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.
STAFF ALSO REVIEWED THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL AGAINST THE REVIEW, REVIEW CRITERIA FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
FOUND THAT THE, THE PROPOSED REHAB WOULD NOT HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE AESTHETIC, HISTORICAL OR ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE IN VALUE OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTY.
US SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STANDARDS TWO, FIVE AND SIX REQUIRED THAT THE APPLICANT RE PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE BY SAVING AND REPAIRING DI DISTINCTIVE FEATURES, DETAILS, AND MATERIALS.
ACCORDING TO THE DOWNTOWN CONSULTANT, THE EXPRESSION OF THE LIMITS OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE AND THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW EDITION IS WELL DONE AND COMPLIES WITH THE US SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S STANDARD NINE IF APPROVED CONDITIONS ARE RECOMMENDED, SUBJECT TO THE APPROVED PLANS AND REQUIRING THAT THE APPLICANT SEEK CITY APPROVAL PRIOR TO REPLACEMENT OF EXTERIOR MATERIALS.
THE APPLICANT AS PART OF THIS PROCESS WAS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN.
UH, THEY INDICATED THAT COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED AT THE COMMUNITY ZONING INFORMATION MEETING.
UM, UH, FOLKS WERE ASKING FOR CONFIRMATION THAT THE APPLICANT WAS NO LONGER PROPOSING TO RAISE THE STRUCTURE OR DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE ACCORDING
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TO THE APPLICANT.RESPONSES FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, HAVE BEEN POSITIVE.
THERE WAS ONE CONCERN EXPRESSED, UH, REGARDING THAT THE INTERIOR WOULD NOT BE RESTORED.
STAFF ALSO RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENTS IN SUPPORT, UM, SUPPORTED THE RESTORATION OF THE STRUCTURE, DID NOT SUPPORT A REPLICA DEVELOPER'S.
UH, THERE WERE COMMENTS THAT THE DEVELOPER'S ACTIONS CAUSED THE STRUCTURE TO FALL INTO DISREPAIR AND DO NOT LIKE THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE WEATHERFORD HOUSE.
THE COMMUNITY ZONING INFORMATION MEETING WAS HELD ON AUGUST 12TH.
THERE WERE SEVERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THAT ME MEETING ON THE SIGN-IN SHEETS, COMMENTS THAT THE ROOF COLOR AND CHIMNEYS SHOULD BE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, HAPPY THAT THE STRUCTURE WILL BE RESTORED.
DESIRE TO PRESERVE MOST OF THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS, DISAPPOINTED THAT IT WOULD BE A PRIVATE RESIDENCE, UH, COMMENT THAT DEVELOPERS WERE DI DIMINISHING THE CITY'S CHARACTER, UH, DISAPPOINTMENT, UH, THAT THE INTERIOR WOULD NOT BE PRESERVED.
AND, UM, COMMENTS THAT THE, UM, STRUCTURE SHOULD BE PRESERVED AND PROTECTED.
AND WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST SUBJECT TO FOUR CONDITIONS, AND I'LL GO OVER THOSE CONDITIONS.
EXTERIOR REHABILITATION, IN ADDITION TO THE JOHN C WEATHERFORD HOUSE, SHALL, SHALL BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE SUBMITTED PLANS PREPARED BY LMA DATED 7 30 26.
THOSE ARE THE ELEVATIONS THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU ON THE OVERHEAD, EXCEPT FOR CHANGES REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AND MARKUPS FROM THE DOWNTOWN CO CONSULTANT.
AS APPROVED BY STAFF CONDITION TWO DEVELOPER SHALL FOLLOW US.
SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STANDARDS.
DEVELOPERS SHALL MAKE REASONABLE EFFORTS TO SAVE AND REPAIR EXISTING EXTERIOR MATERIALS, FEATURES, DETAILS SUCH AS THE CHIMNEYS, WINDOWS, DOORS, ROOF TILES, SIDING, AND OTHER ORIGINAL FEATURES ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
IF EXTERIOR MATERIALS MUST BE REPLACED DUE THIS SEVERITY OF DETERIORATION OR LIFE SAFETY, DEVELOPERS SHALL SUBMIT A REQUEST TO THE CITY PRIOR TO THE DESTRUCTION AND OR DISPOSAL OF THE MATERIAL FEATURE OR DETAIL.
THE REQUEST SHALL INCLUDE A REPORT FROM A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT WITH EXPERTISE AND HISTORIC REHABILITATION.
THE REPORT SHALL INCLUDE PHOTOGRAPHS DEMONSTRATING THE CONDITION OF THE MATERIAL FEATURE DETAIL REASONS WHY THE MATERIAL FEATURE DETAIL CANNOT BE REUSED OR REPAIRED.
AND INFORMATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT MATERIAL FEATURE OR DETAIL.
FINAL APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT MATERIAL FEATURE OR DETAIL SHALL BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION FROM THE DOWNTOWN CONSULTANT WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF.
ANY APPEAL TO A STAFF DECISION REGARDING REPLACEMENT OF A MATERIAL FEATURE OR DETAIL SHALL BE CONSIDERED THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AT A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
CONDITION NUMBER THREE, DEVELOPERS SHALL PROVIDE A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE YARD, WHICH SHALL, SHALL BE DESIGNED IN A LAYERED OR DRIFT MASSING LAYOUT WITH LANDSCAPE MATERIAL SELECTIONS FROM THE APPROVED LIST IN THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN PLANTING GUIDELINES AS APPROVED BY STAFF AND CONDITION.
NUMBER FOUR, THE PROPERTY WHICH IS LOT NINE AS IDENTIFIED ON THE APPROVED SITE PLAN, SHALL FOREVER BE KNOWN AS THE JOHN C WEATHERFORD HOUSE AND SHALL BE DESIGNATED BY HISTOR HISTORICAL MARKER OR PLAQUE, WHICH SHALL BE AFFIXED TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE ONE.
UH, THE HISTORICAL MARKER IS GONNA BE AFFIXED TO THE HOUSE.
UH, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT, BUT IS THAT A POLICY ON THE WAY HISTORIC MARKERS ARE GONNA BE, UH, PLACED IN THE FUTURE? YEAH, THIS IS A, THAT'S A CONDITION THAT IS SIMILAR TO CONDITIONS THAT WE PLACE ON OTHER, UH, REQUESTS FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT, UH, FIXING IT TO THE HOME AND ALLOWING FOR IT TO MAYBE A SIGN TO BE PLACED IN THE YARD SOMEWHERE, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE AN ALTERNATIVE.
WE COULD CERTAINLY AMEND THAT CONDITION IF YOU WOULD FILL THAT.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS OFFERED AS AN INCENTIVE.
ONCE YOU HAVE THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, THE CITY WOULD PLACE THE PLAQUE ON THE PROPERTY.
AND ARE WE GOING AS FAR AS BUILDING ON THE LAW? IS IT ZONED,
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ARE WE GOING BY THE ZONING RULES FOR DOWNTOWN WITH WORK, OR ARE WE GOING BY THE BENEFITS WE OFFER WITH HISTORICAL DESIGNATED HOMES, LIKE LESS SETBACKS AND THAT KIND OF THING? SO THIS, THE SETBACKS ON FOR THIS PROPERTY, UM, ARE GOING TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVEN'T, THE APPLICANT HASN'T ASKED TO UTILIZE ANY OF THE INCENTIVES NECESSARILY THAT ARE OFFERED.
THIS WAS ALREADY APPROVED WITH THAT 2021 REZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
DO WE HAVE A PERCENTAGE FIGURED IN AS TO WHEN IT CROSSES OVER FROM BEING A HISTORIC PROPERTY TO BEING A REPLICA OF HISTORIC PROPERTY? WE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY.
'CAUSE WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT WE'RE TAKING DOWN PROBABLY 90% OF IT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.
IT'S NO LONGER A HISTORIC PROPERTY.
IT IS A REPLICA HISTORIC PROPERTY.
WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT I, I WOULD WAIT UNTIL THE APPLICANT HAS THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY.
THEY MAY BE ABLE TO BETTER EXPLAIN WHAT THEY MEAN BY DECONSTRUCTING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT MEANS THAT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE COMES DOWN.
POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE MAYBE THAT STILL REMAIN IN CON IN, UM, AS THEY ARE.
UM, BUT I WOULD DEFER THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT AS PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION IN THE, UH, IMAGE OF THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE THERE APPEARED TO BE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE FOUR DOORS.
UH, I WONDER WHERE THEY GO, WHERE THEY LEAD? I THINK THAT'S THE GARAGE.
COMMISSIONER MYERS, WERE YOU REFERRING TO THIS ELEVATION OR ON THE SIDE? YES.
YEAH, THIS IS THE GARAGE DOOR HERE.
SO THIS IS THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
THIS WILL FACE THAT WEATHERFORD LANE, THE ALLEY, UH, THIS FACES AWAY FROM CANTON STREET.
IS THE HOUSE, UH, I, I'M NOT ASKING WHAT IT'S GONNA, WHAT THE PRICE IS GONNA BE, BUT IS THE HOUSE GONNA BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER HOUSES IN TERMS OF COST OR WILL IT BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT? I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON ANY KIND OF COST.
I HAVE NOT DISCUSSED COST OF THE NEW HOMES THAT ARE BEING CON BEING CONSTRUCTED OR WHAT THEY ARE WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD GET FOR THE WEATHERFORD HOUSE, BUT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE, THE HOUSE COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PROPOSED HOUSE IS SHORTER FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.
ARE WE CUTTING OFF? NO, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE, THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME THAT IS STAYING IN INTACT.
THE, YOUR ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR, UM, NO MORE THAN, UM, 25% OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT PRINT TO BE REMOVED, BUT THEY ARE LEAVING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE FOOTPRINT.
A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE FRONT FACADE IS BEING MAINTAINED HERE AS WELL, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE TALLER.
IS IT TALLER THAT WE KNOW OF OR IS THAT STILL, I MEAN, CERTAINLY THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS THAT, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE HEIGHT OR WIDTH.
UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD FOR A PRESENTATION? SURE.
WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRIS DAVIS.
UM, THE ADDRESS IS 2 85 WEST YCA ROAD IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT'S BETTER THAN WHAT MICHAEL, UH, PUT ON FOR YOU GUYS TODAY, BUT I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS SOME THAT WERE ALREADY ASKED AND OTHERS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, SO WITH THAT FIRE AWAY, WELL, MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS DO YOU HAVE A IDEA OF WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THIS HOUSE WILL BE REMOVED AND WILL BE REPLACED WITH OTHER MATERIALS? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE TAKING IT DOWN TO THE FOUNDATION AND COMING
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BACK UP OR WHAT? I THINK, UM, I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT TO GIVE A PERCENTAGE BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET IN THERE MM-HMMAND WE, WE'VE DONE AS MUCH SORT OF EXTERIOR AT A DISTANCE EVALUATION AS WE COULD TO GET THE REPORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IN GENERAL THE HOUSE WAS NOT BUILT TO THE STRUCTURAL STANDARDS THAT WE SEE TODAY.
SO I THINK THE, PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THAT IS WE'RE GONNA BE SUPPLEMENTING, UM, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE SPACING BETWEEN STUDS AND ALL THE WALLS IS TOO FAR.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO IN AND ADD STUDS.
UM, SAME THING GOES THROUGH THE FLOOR SYSTEM, UH, SIZE OF THE FLOOR.
THE JOISTS ARE TOO SMALL AND TOO FAR APART.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO IN AND SUPPLEMENT EITHER SCISSOR OR ADD COLUMN SUPPORT.
IT'S GONNA BE A SCALPEL APPROACH, AND WE'RE GONNA RELY ON THE STRUCTURAL ENGINE ENGINEER TO GUIDE THAT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CITY DOES HAVE TO SIGN OFF IT, IT'S SAFE AND, AND CONFORMS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO TODAY'S CODES.
UM, THE OTHER COMPONENT OF THAT IS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT SORT OF LEAD CONTAMINATION DO WE HAVE IN THE PAINT? WE HAVE TO DO, UH, THIRD PARTY EVALUATION OF THAT ALSO ASBESTOS.
AND SO WHEN WE GET SOME OF THESE REPORTS BACK, WE CAN THEN BUILD A MORE COMPLEX PLAN ON HOW WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS IT.
UM, I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO BUY ANY MORE MATERIAL THAN WE ALREADY HAVE TO.
SO IF THE MATERIAL CAN BE REUSED, WE WANNA REUSE IT.
UM, SO THAT IS A GENERAL SORT OF CONSENSUS FOR US WHEN WE ADDRESS IT.
WE KNOW IT'S A CONCERN FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMUNITY TO KEEP AS MUCH INTACT AS POSSIBLE.
SO IF IT'S SOUND AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ASBESTOS OR LEAD PAIN ON IT, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT THERE.
UM, AND THAT'S OUR GENERAL PLAN OF ATTACK.
I'M JUST AS CONCERNED AS WHEN DID, AT WHAT POINT DOES IT GO FROM BEING A HISTORIC PROPERTY TO BEING A REPLICA OF HISTORIC PROPERTY? SURE.
AND ARE WE GOING TO DESIGNATE THAT, THAT THIS IS A REPLICA OF THE ORIGINAL OR ACTUALLY THE HISTORIC PROPERTY? YEAH, I I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A DEFINITION OR AWARE OF A DEFINITION OF A PERCENTAGE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS MICHAEL MENTIONED BEFORE, THE FOOTPRINT'S STAYING INTACT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GROWING LEFT OR RIGHT OR THE FRONT.
WE'RE ONLY EXPANDING ON THE BACK.
UM, THE HEIGHT WILL REMAIN ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE TWO BIGGEST COMPONENTS THAT I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IS THE ROOF AND THE SIDING.
UH, SIDING IS LEAD PAINT ISSUE.
UM, WHAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY LAYERS, HOW MANY YEARS OF LEAD PAINT WERE ADDED THROUGH THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES? UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ROOF, THE ROOF IS A THIN SORT OF 10 MATERIAL.
WE'LL TYPICALLY USE THAT THESE DAYS.
SO WORKING WITH THE DOWNTOWN CONSULTANT ON, CAN WE, UM, FIND THAT MATERIAL THAT WOULD MEET A, A WATERPROOFING STANDARD THAT IS, IS, UM, ABLE TO BE APPROVED AND USED AND WARRANTED AND INSURED, UM, BUT ALSO RETAIN THE SAME LOOK.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, I THINK THOSE WOULD BE THE TWO BIGGEST ITEMS THAT REALLY MAKE UP 80% OF THE LOOK OF THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE.
I GUESS, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, UM, WE'RE GONNA ASSUME THAT MOST OF IT IS COVERED WITH LEAD PAINT.
SO WOULD Y'ALL BE STRIPPING THOSE BOARDS DOWN TO REUSE THEM, OR THAT MEANS THAT SINCE THEY HAVE LEAD PAINT ON 'EM, YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING 'EM? WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA RELY ON THE GUIDANCE OF, OF THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTING SO THEY COULD POSSIBLY ALL GO.
I, I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING THAT'S UNSAFE TO EITHER THE WORKERS OR THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA LET THEM GUIDE AND TAKE THEIR GUIDANCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S CYA FOR US.
WE'RE NOT BEING CAVALIER AND JUST MAKING DECISIONS ON OUR OWN.
WE USING THE EXPERTS WHO, UH, WELL, IT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL COST.
I MEAN, IF THEY, IF THEY SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU GOTTA DO, YOU, YOU KNOW, SAND IT DOWN, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WE'LL DO THAT.
AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE PROPER PPE AND, AND THINGS FOR THE WORKERS, THAT THAT'S FINE FOR US.
UM, AND THEN THE ROOF LINE, IT'S LOOKING LIKE THE ADDITION IS TALLER THAN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION IMAGE.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, UM, IT SHOULD BE WITHIN INCHES.
THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD SAY IS THE REAR ROOF, UH, THE, THE ADDITION THAT'S BEING TIED IN, IT HAS ITS OWN ROOF THAT MAY BE SLIGHTLY ABOVE FROM THE BACK, BUT YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET.
SO IT COULD BE TALLER FROM THE BACK.
UM, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T, FROM THE STREET, YOU SHOULDN'T SEE THE REAR ROOF.
IT'S DECEPTIVE BECAUSE THE PICTURE'S
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TAKEN FROM A CAMERA OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING, WHICH IS AN, YOU KNOW, A PERSPECTIVE PHOTO.SO YOU HAVE DEPTH AND THE HOUSE HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW, WHEREAS THE ELEVATION IS 2D YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE DEPTH.
SO I CAN SEE HOW IT DOESN'T QUITE LOOK THE SAME, BUT THE DIMENSIONS SH SHOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR ON THE ROOF.
I HAD THE SAME QUESTION THAT REX HAD.
ABOUT WHAT POINT DOES IT BECOME A REPLICA OR CONSTRUCTION, UM, AS OPPOSED TO BEING A, UH, REVITALIZED OR, UH, I GUESS, UH, SAVED HOME, WHATEVER TILE YOU WANT TO USE ON THAT.
UH, I DID DO A LITTLE RESEARCH AND FOUND, UH, LIKE THE WHITE HOUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, BURNED COMPLETELY TO THE GROUND.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC, UH, PROPERTIES, BUT IT IS, AS FAR AS I KNOW, CONSIDERED A HISTORIC, HISTORIC PROPERTY.
UH, UH, SAME THING FOR THE ROBERT ROBERT E. LEE HOUSE, UH, IN ARLINGTON FITS THIS SITUATION MORE CLOSELY THAN ANY OF THE OTHERS I'VE SEEN.
AND THAT HOUSE WAS ALLOWED TO DETERIORATE TO THE POINT TO WHERE IT WASN'T SAFE TO USE AND BASICALLY HAD TO BE TAKEN DOWN AND REUSED.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS WERE USED OR NOT.
I WOULD, I WOULD GUESS SO, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW.
AND IT IS, OF COURSE, CONSIDERED A HISTORIC, UH, PROPERTY.
UM, EVEN IN OUR BACKYARD, ROSWELL BARRINGTON HALL BURNED, UH, ALMOST TO THE GROUND.
AND I, I THINK IT'S ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, I'M NOT SURE, UH, MIMOSA HALL, WHICH, UM, MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, JUST KEEP UP WITH THIS SORT OF STUFF, UH, IS CONSIDERED TO BE THE, THE GEM OF, UM, THE ROSWELL HISTORIC HOMES.
IT'S BURNED TWICE, ONCE TO THE GROUND, ONCE ABOUT 50% OF IT WAS, WAS DONE.
AND, UM, I BELIEVE IT IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
UM, I LOOK, I LOOKED AT TRYING TO GET SOME DEFINITIONS FROM, UH, HOW A HOUSE QUALIFIES, UH, TO BE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, HISTORIC, UH, PROPERTIES.
UM, THEY DO HAVE, THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHEN A HOUSE HAS BEEN COMPLETELY REBUILT FROM SCRATCH, UH, CAN BE ON THAT, UH, CONSIDERED A HISTORIC PROPERTY, A NATIONAL RACIAL DEGREE, HISTORIC PROPERTY.
UH, BUT I FOUND NOTHING REALLY THAT BROKE IT DOWN INTO PERCENTAGES.
UM, SO I, I DON'T, I STILL HAVE THAT QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN ANSWER ANYWHERE.
I, I KNOW THE, UH, FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UM, THE, UH, GARDNER PROPERTY, QUITE A BIT OF THAT HOUSE WAS, WAS REBUILT WITH NEW, NEW, UH, WOOD, NEW WINDOWS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
I THINK WE CONSIDER IT A, A HISTORIC HOME.
AND ONE, ONE TERM THAT I LIKED READING, I WAS TRYING TO FIND, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN I, I, HOW CAN WE CONSIDER THIS HISTORIC HOME? UM, THIS ONE HAD TO DO WITH NOTRE DAME THAT BURNED A FEW YEARS AGO, THE CATHEDRAL IN PARIS.
AND THEY, THEY USE THIS TERM THAT, THAT FIRE, AND WHAT HAPPENED THEN WAS JUST A PART OF THE OVERALL HISTORY OF, OF THIS STRUCTURE.
I DON'T IF IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE OR IF IT JUST COVERS UP SOMETHING.
BUT, UM, AND IF, IF THE WESTFORD HOUSE SURVIVES ANOTHER A HUNDRED YEARS AND LOOK BACK AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS JUST DETERIORATION WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED, AND IT'S STILL THE WEATHERFORD HOUSE AND SOME, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE, THE WOOD AND SOME OF THE WINDOWS AND WHATEVER WERE ORIGINAL.
UH, BUT THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY SATISFACTION I GOT OUT OF IT.
WELL, MY CONCERN IS NOT SO MUCH REPLICA THAT WHAT IS IT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT DOWN THE ROAD AFTER WE'RE GONE, SOMEBODY COMES IN HERE AND THEY BUY THAT, AND IF IT'S DESIGNATED AS A REPLICA,
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CAN THEY GO IN AND MAKE MAJOR CHANGES ON THAT OR ACTUALLY TEAR IT DOWN? I THINK MICHAEL WOULD BE BEST TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.I KNOW IT IS CONSIDERED BY THE CITY AS A PROTECTED HISTORIC YES.
BUT IT'S FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, A MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PRESERVATION GROUP.
SO IF THIS IS APPROVED, THE APPLICANT COULD NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE, OR ANY FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER COULD NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE WITHOUT GETTING ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPROVED.
SO THEY COULD NOT MAKE CHANGES ONCE THIS, IF THIS IS APPROVED, THE ELEVATIONS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THIS AFTERNOON, THOSE ARE THE ELEVATIONS THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN ON, ON THAT HOME.
NOW THEY CAN MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURE.
SO REGULAR MAINTENANCE IS, IS ALLOWED AND OF COURSE, ENCOURAGED.
UM, BUT THEY COULD NOT MAKE ANY MATERIAL CHANGE TO ANY ELEVATION OF THE HOME WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THIS COMMISSION.
I THINK WHAT'S CONCERNING TO ME IS THAT, UM, I KIND OF VIEW THIS AS DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN OWNED AND, UM, EVEN SINCE 2021 WHEN IT WAS, THE ZONING WAS CHANGED, UM, IT'S BEEN LEFT TO SIT EMPTY.
IT'S HAD THE WINDOWS BROKEN AND LEAKS IN THE ROOF.
UM, THE TARP WASN'T ADDED UNTIL PRETTY RECENTLY, I BELIEVE, LAST WINTER.
UM, SO I JUST WOULD REALLY HATE TO SEE THIS BE A PATTERN WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO DEVELOP LAND IN ALPHARETTA.
THAT IF WE'RE SETTING THE PRECEDENCE THAT YOU CAN BUY A PROPERTY WITH A HISTORICAL HOME AND THEN KIND OF, UM, LET IT SIT AND DETERIORATE, THAT WILL THEN ALLOW YOU TO KNOCK IT DOWN OR TAKE IT PRETTY MUCH DOWN TO, UM, BUILD WHAT YOU'D LIKE.
THE APPROVAL ON THE PROPERTY BACK IN 2021 DID NOT HAVE ANY TIMELINE THAT REQUIRES THAT THE APPLICANT TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
AND I ALL CAN SAY IS THAT THE APPLICANT, ANY TIME THAT WE'VE NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT THAT THE PROPERTY OR STRUCTURE NEEDED TO BE SECURED, THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE ROOF NEEDED TO BE SECURED, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS ACTED ON IT, UM, VERY QUICKLY IN EVERY INCIDENT.
WELL, I, I BELIEVE THERE WERE SOME EXAMPLES WHERE THEY HAD A CODE VIOLATION AND THEY WERE, HAD, THEY HAD TO ACTUALLY APPEAR BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T RESPOND TO THE FIRST NOTICE.
I I, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CODE VIOLATIONS WHERE THEY DIDN'T APPEAR.
WELL, THEY APPEARED ONCE THEY WERE SUMMONED TO THE COUNCIL, BUT THEY DID NOT RESPOND TO THE NOTICES.
WE DID DISCUSS WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, THIS PROPERTY AND THAT INFORMATION WAS NOT RELAYED TO ME THAT THERE WAS ANY CODE ACTION ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT INDICATED THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED, UH, COMPLAINT, UH, THAT THE PROPERTY HADN'T BEEN SECURED AND THAT THE, UH, THIS WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT WAS ASKED TO SECURE THE PROPERTY, UH, BOARD UP THE WINDOWS.
I THINK THE DOOR WAS MAYBE SOMEONE HAD ENTERED THE PROPERTY AND THE APPLICANT DID, DID DO THAT.
BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT WENT TO CODE VIOL, UH, CODE VIOLATION LEVEL.
SO CAN I SPEAK JUST 'CAUSE I HAVE DIRECT KNOWLEDGE? YOU CAN COME, COME.
HI, GEORGE JACKSON, 6 6 8 COOLIDGE AVENUE IN ATLANTA.
UM, THE ONLY FINE, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY WE EVER PAID ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE HOUSE AT ALL.
IT WAS THE GRASS WAS TOO LONG FOR TOO LONG, FOR TOO LONG, ESSENTIALLY.
SO WE ENDED UP HAVING TO PAY A FINE FOR THAT.
WHAT WAS THE MEETING WHERE YOU WERE, YOU DID COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL, YOU, I, FOR CODE VIOLENCE.
YOU WERE, YOU CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
IT WAS ALL RECORDED PUBLIC MEET ONLINE THAT I PULLED UP.
UM, AND YOU WERE THE ONE THAT APPEARED, UM, THEY WERE TELLING YOU ABOUT HOW THERE WAS CODE VIOLATIONS, UM, I BELIEVE WITH IT BEING UNSECURED.
AND YOU HAD AT THAT TIME EXPLAINED THAT YOU WERE POSSIBLY SELLING THE PROPERTY AND SO YOU WERE NOT FIXING THOSE VIOLATIONS, UM, AT THAT TIME BECAUSE OF THE TRANSFER POSSIBLY TO SOMEONE ELSE.
WELL, I DO KNOW THAT LIKE, ONCE, UM, THAT HAPPENED, I BELIEVE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHICH THIS WAS, THERE WERE LIKE A COUPLE DIFFERENT ISSUES WITH THE PROPERTY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE THAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED DURING, BUT WE BOARDED UP ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND EVERYTHING AFTER WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO SHOW THAT IT WASN'T LIKE AN IMMEDIATE ACTION, THAT IT ACTUALLY WAS LAID IN GETTING THOSE THINGS CORRECTED.
YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER IT THAT WAY WITH THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
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REMEMBER IT BEING LIKE, THAT WAS FOR THE GRASS.AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WE PAID A FINE FOR.
A, A QUESTION, UH, MR. JACKSON FOR YOU, UH, WHEN DID YOU, BECAUSE YOU, YOU'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME.
UH, YOU'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME.
WHEN DID YOU DO YOUR FIRST, UH, SAY TERMITE INSPECTION? UM, WELL, WE DIDN'T DO ONE UPON BUYING THE PROPERTY.
UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A PREDECESSOR OF MINE WHO HANDLED LIKE THE DAY-TO-DAY ON IT.
BUT THAT WAS LAWSON FINLAYSON WHO WAS REPRESENTED, THE FORMER OWNER WHO ALSO WORKED WITH US AT THE TIME.
SO I GUESS WOULD BE AT PURCHASE.
UM, BUT SO WHEN DID YOU SAY INSTALL A TERMITE? DID YOU DO ANY TREATMENT FOR TERMITE? MY, ME PERSONALLY, NO.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T LIKE HANDLING KIND OF THE DAY-TO-DAY ON THIS UNTIL, WHEN WAS THE LAST TERMITE TREATMENT DONE AT THE HOUSE? I, I DON'T KNOW.
HAS HAS IT EVER BEEN DONE? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT, UM, OUR ENGINEER COULD SPEAK TO THIS.
IT, IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER DONE WITH THE HOUSE IN TERMS OF IT NOT BEING VIABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD OR RENOVATE IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION HAS TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL FOUNDATION IT WAS BUILT ON.
IT'S NOT BASED ON DETERIORATION, IF YOU WILL, BUT OUR ENGINEER CAN SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN I CAN.
I HAD HEARD FROM A COUNCIL PERSON, UH, AT THE FORUM JUST OFFHANDEDLY THAT THERE WAS A TERMITE PROBLEM AT THAT TIME.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT WAS JUST HEARSAY.
IT WOULD SEEM THAT WE WERE NEVER MADE AWARE OF A TERMITE PROBLEM.
WELL, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IF IT'S NEVER BEEN TREATED FOR TERMITES IN 10 YEARS OR MORE, THEN IT HAS A TERMITE PROBLEM.
WAS THE QUESTION MADE IN 2021 FOR IT TO BE A HISTORIC, UM, HISTORICALLY PRESERVED? WAS THAT WHEN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS, I KNOW WE DESIGNATED IT IN 2025, IT DESIGNATED IN 2025, BUT THE AGREEMENT FOR THE ZONING WAS MADE IN 2021 FOR THEM TO PRESERVE THE VARIANCE.
THE VARIANCE TO TURN IT INTO 16 HOMES OR WHATEVER IN INSTEAD OF EIGHT HOMES WAS WITH A CONDITION THAT THE HOUSE WOULD BE RESTORED IN 21.
SO IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE THEY WOULD'VE TAKEN SOME PROACTIVE, I MEAN, AT THAT TIME THEY MADE THAT COMMITMENT.
SO THEY HAD TO HAVE KNOWN THE, WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL, OR THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT.
IT WOULD SEEM THAT WHEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE COMMITTED TO RESTORING A PROPERTY, YOU WOULD TREAT IT FOR TERMITES.
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THE HOUSE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR 30 YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE OWNERSHIP IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS GONNA CHANGE THE PREVIOUS NEGLECT THAT HAD HAPPENED PRIOR TO OUR OWNERSHIP.
THE ISSUES TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES WITH THE HOUSE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TERMITES OR AN OPEN WINDOW OR AN OPEN DOOR OR A HOLE IN THE ROOF.
THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE STRUCTURAL FOUNDATION, LACK THEREOF.
UM, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY REASON THAT WE HAVE TO GO IN AND DO SO MUCH RETROACTIVE WORK.
WHAT ABOUT THE MISSING, UH, GRAN, UH, GRANITE OR WHATEVER THE, UH, CHIMNEY CAPS? I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY DISAPPEARED.
THAT, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH JOYCE BEING TOO FAR APART.
IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH APART WATER INTRUSION WITH THE FOUNDATION NOT BEING THERE.
THESE ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A SURGICAL, UM, APPROACH TO THE REHABILITATION WATER INTRUSION THAT'S ALMOST NEGLIGENT OR, OR NEG NEGLIGIBLE TO THE WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
WE'RE RIPPING ALL THE SHEET ROCK OUT, RIPPING ALL THE FLOORING OUT, RIPPING ALL TRIM, INTERIOR TRIM, ALL THAT STUFF.
UM, THE LEAD PAINT ON THE SIDING, THE ASBESTOS, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HOLE IN THE ROOF FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.
NOTHING TO DO WITH BROKEN WINDOWS, NOTHING TO DO WITH ACCESS THE PROPERTY.
I THINK THE COMMISSION IS TRYING TO SAY THAT THE, THE
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CARE OF THE HOUSE OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS IS THE REASON WHY THE ISSUES EXIST.BUT I DISAGREE AND I THINK OUR ENGINEER WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT.
WELL, WHEN WAS THE REINFORCEMENTS PUT IN FOR THE FOUNDATION? BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT HAPPENED AFTER ALL OF THE GRADING OF THE PROPERTY.
YEAH, IT OH, COINCIDES WITH THE GRADING.
SO I'M, WELL NO, IT WAS PUT IN AFTERWARDS.
I KNOW THAT YOU WERE, WELL, ONCE WE GOT TO A CERTAIN PLACE WHERE WE WERE GONNA BE CUTTING WITHIN FOUR FEET OF THE HOUSE, THAT'S WHEN WE, I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.
WHY WAS, WHY WAS THE FOUNDATION NOT CORRECTED EARLIER? WELL, BECAUSE YOU NEED A PLAN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GO IN AND FIX A FOUNDATION THAT YOU DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR.
I JUST WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE DONE BEFORE HAVING AARY.
THIS COMMITTEE NEEDS TO APPROVE THE PLAN.
I JUST THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE DONE BEFORE YOU PUT HEAVY MACHINERY IN THERE AND DIG, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A 45 DEGREE ANGLE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THAT'S WHY WHEN WE GOT TO WITHIN, ARE YOU AN ENGINEER? NO, I'M NOT, BUT I'VE, OKAY.
SO I, I HAVE AN ENGINEERING DEGREE.
WE HAVE AN ENGINEER WHO'S THERE.
WELL THEN YOU, THAT'S WHO I RELY ON FOR THE INFORMATION ON HOW TO BUILD A HOUSE.
SO, WELL, I OWN A HISTORICAL HOME WHERE RESTORED, THAT'S WHAT I RELY ON THE FOUNDATION.
SO I DO KNOW A LOT ABOUT FOUNDATION WORK.
UM, AT WHEN THE, WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED MM-HMM
UH, THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE CITY WAS THAT THE HOUSE BE RESTORED, I BELIEVE THAT CORRECT.
WAS ANY INVESTIGATION DONE AT THAT TIME TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE HOUSE COULD ACTUALLY BE RESTORED? AND IF NOT, WHY WOULD YOU ACTUALLY SIGN AN AGREEMENT SAYING, I'LL RESTORE THE HOUSE? WELL, I THINK I CAN COVER THIS.
I, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I CAME UP TO CLARIFY ON ANYWAYS.
UM, SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PURCHASED THE HOUSE, THE ZONING WAS ACTUALLY FOR MANY MORE PROPERTIES THAN IT WAS TO BE TOWNHOUSES.
AND THEN WE ENTERED INTO A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT WITH A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER, HARRISON HOMES, WHO ACTUALLY IS THE PARTY THAT SOUGHT THE ZONING CONDITIONS OR THE ZONING CHANGE TO DOWN ZONE IT INTO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME PROJECT FROM THE TOWNHOUSE PROJECT THAT IT WAS ZONED FOR PREVIOUSLY.
AND THE HISTORIC RESTORATION WAS PART OF THE ZONING CONDITIONS THAT THEY ACHIEVED WHEN THEY WENT TO DOWN ZONE IT, UM, WITH THE LESSER DENSITY AND WHATNOT.
AND THEN, UH, 18 TO 24 MONTHS AFTER THEY ACHIEVED THAT, WE, AFTER KIND OF A LONG ROAD, UH, PARTED WAYS WITH THEM AND BY VIRTUE OF THAT, TEAMED WITH CHRIS AND DECIDED TO DEVELOP IT OURSELVES.
AND SO WE COMMITTED TO SOMEONE ELSE'S COMMITMENT WHO, YOU KNOW, HARRISON BASED, THEIR COMMITMENT OF BEING WILLING TO RESTORE THEIR HOME ON THEIR OWN RESEARCH ENGINEERING TEAM, ALL OF THAT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, BY NATURE, NATURE OF US PARTING WAYS, THEY WOULDN'T PROVIDE US WITH ANY OF THAT INFORMATION.
BUT WE DID KNOW THAT THEY WERE A REPUTABLE COMPANY WHO HAD BUILT A LOT OF THINGS.
AND WE WENT UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE COMMITTED TO RESTORING THE HOME IF THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AT ALL POSSIBLE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IN THOSE EARLY DAYS FOR THEM IF THEY HAD LIKE A CONCRETE PLAN AROUND HOW THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THE TRANSFER OF OF THE PROPERTY TO YOUR FIRM, UH, WAS DONE.
UM, BUT IT SEEMS THAT, AND I DON'T WANNA PLAY LAWYER HERE.
BUT, UH, IT SEEMS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT THE CONDITIONS THAT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER HAD AGREED UPON WITH THE CITY.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RES RESTORATION PART OF IT? YEAH.
THAT WAS PART OF THE ZONING CONDITIONS.
WE AGREED TO, WELL, WE DIDN'T REALLY AGREE TO ANYTHING 'CAUSE WE STILL TECHNICALLY OWNED IT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAD IT UNDER CONTRACT ARE THE ONES THAT SOUGHT THE ZONING.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THE ZONING CONDITIONS.
AND THEN WHEN WE SEVERED OUR TIES WITH THEM, GOT RID OF THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, DECIDED TO DEVELOP IT OURSELVES, WE WEREN'T GOING TO TRY TO REZONE IT AND GET RID OF THE, YOU KNOW, RESTORATION PIECE OF THE ZONING CONDITIONS.
OUR INTENTION WITH CHRIS FROM THE GET GO WITH THAT WAS, UH, LET'S DO A PROJECT THAT FITS WITHIN THE ZONING CONDITIONS THAT HARRISON HOMES HAD ACHIEVED WHILE UNDER
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CONTRACT ON THE PROPERTY.I, I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY SATISFIED, UH, WITH HOW, UH, HOW IT TURNED OUT THAT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THE CONDITION THAT THE HOUSE HAD TO BE RESTORED AND IN PLACE AND THEN WALK AWAY FROM IT.
UH, ARE YOU ASKING WHY HARRISON HOMES WALKED AWAY FROM IT? I DON'T KNOW.
DID IS THAT THE ORIGINAL, UH, DEVELOPER THAT WAS THE DEVELOPER? HE'S BEEN AN OWNER OF IT FOR A GOOD LONG TIME.
BUT, UM, OVER 10 YEARS I THINK.
SO A LOT OF TIMES HOW IT WORKS WITH LIKE PROPERTIES LIKE THIS, UH, SOMEONE WILL PUT IT UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT GETS THROUGH ZONING.
AND GETS A LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT.
SO THEY HAD GOTTEN IT UNDER CONTRACT, BROUGHT IT FOR, WORKED WITH THE CITY TO BRING IT AND GET IT REZONED DOWN ZONE FROM THE TOWNHOUSES TO ITS CURRENT ZONING FORM, WE'LL CALL IT.
AND THEY AGREED TO THAT PIECE, BUT THEY DIDN'T WALK THEM WALKING AWAY FROM THE CONTRACT.
ONE WASN'T WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO.
WE WENT THROUGH LEGAL REMEDY TO GET THE PROPERTY BACK FROM THEM.
HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
THAT'S NOT WHY THEY WALKED AWAY.
WASN'T EVEN LIKE A SMALL PIECE OF IT.
SO WHAT YEAR WERE YOU MORE DIRECTLY INVOLVED? WOULD THAT BE 2021? THE LAST LIKE TWO YEARS.
SO YOU WERE PART OF THE DESIGNATING IT AS HISTORIC N NO, WE WILL IN THE FACT THAT WE OWNED IT.
BUT NO, WE, WE WERE COMPLETELY HANDS OFF WITH THAT ZONING.
I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT, UM, YOU HAVE BEEN AWARE FOR A GOOD LONG WHILE THAT THE HOUSE WAS TO BE PRESERVED ON SITE.
SINCE THE NIGHT IT GOT REZONED.
BUT IT BECAME YOUR PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY SINCE WHEN, WHEN DID, UH, YOU COME IN? WELL, WITHIN LIKE THE TIMEFRAME THAT HARRISON HOMES STILL HAD IT UNDER CONTRACT, THEY ASSUMED ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE PROPERTY IN GENERAL.
'CAUSE WE WERE, UH, WE WERE INCURRING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY.
THEY WANTED TO BUY IT, THEY WANTED ALL OF THIS TIME TO GET IT REZONED, LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT AND WHATNOT.
SO WHEN WE WROTE THE CONTRACT, WE WERE LIKE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE ON YOU GUYS.
AND YOU KNOW, WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE CONTRACT, YOU COULD SAY LIKE, WITHIN AT LEAST TWO, THREE YEARS YOU'VE BEEN THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE.
ON THE TEAM OF THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE.
AS THE, AS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE HE BOUGHT A PIG AND A POKE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE HE BOUGHT A PIG AND A POKE A PIG AT A POKE.
THE OLD SAYING GOES, NOT FAMILIAR.
YOU BOUGHT A PROPERTY THAT YOU REALLY DIDN'T KNOW A HUNDRED PERCENT WHAT WAS THERE AND WHAT WAS IN INVOLVED IN THE HOUSE BEFORE YOU COMMITTED.
BUT, UM, WELL WE WERE, WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, THERE WAS NO SORT OF UNDER THE PREVIOUS ZONING CONDITIONS, THE PLAN WAS TO RAISE THAT HOUSE AND BUILD TOWNHOUSES ON THE PROPERTY.
I THOUGHT THAT THIS PROPERTY HAD ALWAYS BEEN ZONED, UM, RESIDENTIAL.
IT WAS OUR 20 PRE, UH, PREVIOUSLY, I'M GONNA MAKE, MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT.
AND, UM, R 20, I DON'T THINK WOULD, WOULD ALLOW FOR 18 HOMES ON THE PROPERTY.
NO, IT WAS MORE THAN 18 HOMES.
I THOUGHT IT USUALLY HAD TO BE HIGH DENSITY TO ALLOW FOR THAT R 20.
AND TECHNICALLY IT ALSO LIKE, UH, GAVE, I MEAN YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S PUBLIC.
THE R 20 MEAN IT'S PUBLIC RECORD 20,000 SQUARE FOOT PER LOT? NO, IT WAS 20 UNITS PER ACRE.
SO R 15 THOUGH MEANS 15,000 SQUARE FEET PER LOT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, WELL YOU CAN LOOK UP THE PREVIOUS ZONE LIKE IT WAS TOWNHOUSES AND IT ACTUALLY EVEN ALLOWED FOR, UH, A FOR RENT PRODUCT.
WELL IF WE EVEN JUST, IF WE GO BACK TO, TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO BACK AND THAT'S MAY OF 2021.
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED YOUR REQUEST OF HUDSON PARK AT THAT TIME IT WAS CALLED HUDSON PARK.
THAT WAS HARRISON'S NAME FOR THE PROPERTY.
UH, NOW IT'S CALLED JACKSON PARK.
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CORRECT.UH, TO CONSIDER A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, AMENDMENT, ZONING AND VARIANCE TO ALLOW A 17 LOT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED SUBDIVISION ON 2.411 ACRES, UH, IN DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT WAS BASED UPON THE CONDITION THAT THE HISTORIC WEATHERFORD HOUSE SHALL BE SAVED ON THE PROPERTY RESTORED AND DESIGNATED UNDER THE CITY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION INCENTIVE ORDINANCE.
THAT WAS THE, NOW PART OF THAT ORDINANCE THOUGH, REQUIRES YOU TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY.
AND SO AT THAT TIME, HARRISON WAS ASSUMING ALL, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE ON THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, THE HOUSE, THE GRASS, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD BEEN, BUT YOU OWNED IT ASSUMING COSTS.
I WOULD JUST ASSUME IF HE'S NOT FLYING WITH THOSE THINGS, THAT IT WOULD FALL BACK TO YOU.
WELL, IF THEY, IF THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN VIOLATED, THEN BY NOT BEING PERFORMED, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.
DOES IT? WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE? NO, NO.
LIKE THE OWNER IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE TO DO THINGS LIKE, UH, BOARD THE WINDOWS AND DOORS.
BUT OUR AGREEMENT WITH HARRISON HOMES WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MAINTAIN EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY WHILE THEY HAD IT UNDER CONTRACT.
WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THE REQUEST OF DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY IS HISTORIC.
WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH ALL THIS.
UM, WE NEED TO MOVE ON A COUPLE.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO GET BACK TO IT.
WHAT DO YOU PLAN ON DOING WITH THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE? WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS? OH, WELL, THE PLANS ARE UP THERE, BUT A RESIDENTIAL HOME, LIKE FOR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE BASICALLY GUTTED ALL NEW MATERIAL.
DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOTTA REQUIRE AT LEAST 75% OF THE, THE FLOORING THERE? IT'S JUST THE EXTERIOR THAT'S REQUIRED? YEAH, THE ZONING SAYS THAT IT ONLY APPLIES TO THE FRONT FACADE.
I THINK ON THE INSIDE HAS TO BE RESTORED.
WELL, I, YOU HAVE THIS COMMENT.
UM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENED, WHO WAS AT FAULT, WHATEVER WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AND I THINK, I THINK WE PROBABLY, UM, I, I CURRENTLY PLAN TO VOTE YES.
'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN COME OUT.
UM, I GUESS, AND THIS IS, THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU, BUT I HOPE WE CAN FIND A WAY IN THE FUTURE THAT IF A DEVELOPER AGREES TO RESTORE A HOME, WE HAVE SOME WAY, SOME, SOMETHING WITH TEETH IN IT THAT WOULD, UH, REQUIRE THAT DEVELOPER TO FOLLOW THROUGH.
MR. JACKSON, YOUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION EXPERT FOR DALLAS, TEXAS, HAS HE EVER BEEN IN THE HOUSE? THIS THE CITY'S EXPERT? I DON'T THINK SO.
HE HASN'T EVER ASKED PERMISSION.
THAT DOESN'T STOP PEOPLE THOUGH.
SO HE CAN GIVE HIS OPINION WITHOUT BEING THERE? WELL, YES, BECAUSE HE IS ONLY CONCERNED WITH THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME.
HE CAN, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO GO INTO THE HOUSE FOR THAT.
SO WHO MAKES THE DECISIONS ON THE I KNOW THE INSIDE YOU'RE GONNA GOT IT.
WHO MAKES THE DECISIONS AS TO WHAT YOU CAN KEEP AND WHAT YOU CAN'T KEEP? THE CITY, THE CITY WILL, IF WE HAVE REPLACE ANY COMPONENT, ANY EXTERIOR COMPONENT AND CAN'T BE USED, WE HAVE TO DOCUMENT WHAT THE PIECE IS.
THE REASON WHY TAKE A PHOTO AND SEND IT TO THE CITY.
AND THE CITY, THEN I'M NOT SURE WHO AT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, EVALUATES IT.
PROBABLY THE DOWN THE CONSULTANT OR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, WHOEVER NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT.
THE LAST QUESTION, THE WINDOWS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE FRONT MM-HMM
ARE THOSE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS? THE WINDOWS ARE NO LONGER THERE.
THEY'RE BUSTED OUT, BUT THEY'RE THE ORIGINAL SIZE AND LOCATION OF THE EXISTING OPENINGS.
SO, SO THEY'LL BE BRAND NEW WINDOWS? THEY'LL BE BRAND NEW WINDOWS.
BUT, UH, THERE'S NO WINDOWS THAT EXIST AT THE LEFT SIDE AND RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION.
UM, THERE'S NO SPACE BETWEEN THE FRONT PORCH REALLY AND THE FIRST WINDOW.
AND CURRENTLY THERE'S PROBABLY AT LEAST FIVE FEET OF SIDING BEFORE THE FIRST WINDOW.
CAN YOU TELL ME, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE? MM-HMM
SO THE FRONT, THE FRONT'S, THE ONLY THING THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, OKAY.
WELL, I BELIEVE THEIR ORIGINAL WERE, UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY MULLINS.
IT WAS JUST A GLASS FOR THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM.
WE CAN, IF WE WANNA TAKE OUT THE MULLINS, WE CAN, UH, OR THE SDL BARS, WE CAN DO THAT.
AND THAT'S THE SAME FOR THE ONES THAT ARE UP ON THE,
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UM, WE JUST WENT WITH WHAT THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED.SO WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO REMOVE THOSE FROM THE PROJECT? YEAH.
AS LONG AS A CONSULTANT, MICHAEL, DOES IT MATTER? YEAH, BECAUSE WE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A FEW ITERATIONS OF THIS MM-HMM
AND, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR INSTRUCTIONS TO THE ARCHITECT WHO ALWAYS WANTS TO PUT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER PRAISING, LIKE THEIR STINK ON IT, RIGHT? LIKE THEY'RE ARCHITECTS, THEY'RE ARTISTS, THEY WANT TO HAVE SOME SAY THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM.
WE WERE LIKE, YOU DO WHAT THE CONSULTANT SAYS TO THE, LIKE, TO THE PERIOD OF EVERY SENTENCE THAT THEY'VE WRITTEN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE APPLYING BASED ON.
IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF, AND I KNOW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT ROOF MATERIAL, UM, SINCE THAT REALLY WASN'T LIKE AN ASPHALT SHINGLE, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO, UM, IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL HAVE TO GO WITH, UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT BE THE SAME COLOR OR CLOSE TO THE SAME COLOR OF THE CURRENT ROOF? SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEARCHING FOR RIGHT NOW.
IT'S LIKE A, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S A GREENISH GRAY KIND OF, AND IT'S, AND IT'S, UM, IT'S PATINA A LITTLE BIT OVER TIME AND WE WILL NOT GO WITH AN ASPHALT SHINGLE.
TO ME THAT'S A KIND OF A STANDARD ROOF WHERE ALL THE ROOFS ARE UPGRADED.
SO THEY'RE EITHER SLATE OR SHAKE COMPOSITE, UM, ON THE OTHER HOMES.
SO IT WILL BE LIKELY LIKE A GREEN SLATE COMPOSITE THAT MATCHES THE COLOR, IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A MATCH FOR IT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A STANDARD ROOFING MATERIAL, SO WE'RE HAVING TO DO SOME E EXPLORATION TO FIND THAT TYPE OF MATERIAL.
BUT THEY, THEY DO MAKE LIKE A GREEN ASPHALT, DON'T THEY? YEAH.
AND THAT, AND SO I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THE COLOR.
IF THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU KNOW, IS APPROVED, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO IT, IT'LL BE A DOWNGRADE FROM THE REST OF THE ROOFS AND THE SUBDIVISION.
BUT I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, UH, THAT REALLY THE DEFINING CHARACTER YES.
BUT THAT ROOF, WE'VE SEEN IT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
UH, IT IS A GREENISH TIN TILE.
IT'S GOT A CARVED KIND OF EMBLEM MM-HMM
UH, AND I'VE SEEN IT, UH, IT'S JUST GORGEOUS.
I HAVE ALSO FOUND, UH, SOMETHING SIMILAR IF, IF YOU HAVE IT USED TODAY, OKAY, PLEASE SEND IT SIMILAR.
WE'RE, SO I DON'T, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, LET ME KNOW.
AND SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF DRAW THE LINE OF, UM, LIKE REX, AT WHAT POINT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE THIS, REPLACE THAT, REPLACE THIS, THEN IT'S SO IMPORTANT.
IF IT IS GONNA BE A REPLICA, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL BE, BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR EXAMPLE, UH, IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REPLICA.
UM, SO ASSUMING IT DOES TURN INTO A REPLICA, IT WOULD BE GOOD IF IT WAS AS ORIGINAL AND TRUE FRONT ELEVATION AS POSSIBLE.
AND TO YOUR POINT, IF AND ASSUMING PROBABLY YES, WE CAN'T REUSE THE CURRENT ROOF, THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A PICTURE OF IT, UH, CATALOG IT, SEND IT TO THE SEA, AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE WHATEVER THE REPLACEMENT MATERIAL IS.
SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A PERMIT TO BEGIN ANY SORT OF WORK ON THE, ON THE PROJECT YET.
BUT, UM, THAT WOULD FOLLOW THAT VERY PROCESS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN YOU GUYS, OR THE CITY OR WHOEVER'S INVOLVED IN PICKING THESE MATERIALS WOULD BE THE ONES THAT SAY, OKAY, THIS IS ACCEPTABLE TO USE IN REPLACEMENT OF THAT.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE A QUESTION JUST ON THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION.
UM, IS THERE GUTTERS THERE? BECAUSE I KNOW RIGHT NOW THERE'S PROBABLY NOT ANY GUTTERS ON THE HOME, BUT I'M JUST SEEING SOME KIND OF, IT LOOKS ALMOST LIKE COPPER.
UM, UM, WE WILL HAVE TO PUT GUTTERS ON THE HOME JUST, JUST FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE, I DON'T HAVE THE, UH, THE THING IN FRONT OF ME.
I'M NOT SEEING ANY GUTTERS SHOWN ON HERE.
UM, IT'S JUST THAT KIND OF BROWN LINE UNDERNEATH THE ASPHALT SHINGLES IS WHAT I'M REFERRING TO.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT COULD BE A SOFFIT.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL WITHOUT CALL OUTS FROM THE ARCHITECT.
BUT WE, WE WILL, WE WILL, WE WILL DEFINITELY WANT GUTTER.
I MEAN, GUTTERS WILL MAKE, WILL MAKE THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, MUCH LAST MUCH LONGER AND ELIMINATE WATERPROOFING ISSUES.
BUT, UM, WITH, WHEN PUTTING GUTTERS ON THERE, WE WOULD COME TO YOU GUYS OKAY.
AND, AND WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO NOT PAINTING THE CHIMNEY,
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UM, AND LEAVING THEM LIKE AS THE RED BRICK AS THEY YEAH, I'M, I'M LEANING ON YOU GUYS.SO YOU GUYS TELL ME, OR THE CONSULTANT TELL ME THE COLORS.
I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO REPLICATE IT, WE SHOULD REPLICATE IT THE SAME COLOR THAT IT CURRENTLY IS.
SO I JUST, WHEN YOU'RE PAINTING THE BRICK LIKE THAT, IT JUST REALLY DOES LOOK LIKE A NEWER HOME IN MY OPINION.
UM, YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT AS FASHIONABLE OR AS TRENDY, BUT
IT MIGHT LOOK MORE AUTHENTIC IF I'M LITERALLY TRYING TO MATCH EXACTLY WHAT'S THERE.
SO THAT WOULD MEAN A LOT WITH WHATEVER'S AVAILABLE IN TODAY'S MARKET.
SO SHAQ, IF YOU'VE GOT A NAME FOR SOMEBODY, UM, I, I'LL GIVE 'EM A CALL AND MEET 'EM AT THE SITE AND WE CAN SEE IF THEY CAN MATCH IT.
AND THEN I'LL TURN IT INTO THE CITY AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS WILL SEE IT AS WELL.
ANYONE ELSE? AND, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO MATCH THE BRICK FOR THE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND SAME THING, THE PAINT COLOR FOR THE HOUSE.
I MEAN THE HOUSE GOTTA BE REPAINTED.
THAT'S GONNA GO THROUGH YOU GUYS.
COULD I, COULD I ALSO JUST ASK ABOUT THE STONE.
I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT ON THE FRONT FACADE, BUT THE STONE THAT, IS IT A VENEER THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING ON THE HOME OR IS IT A UM, YEAH, SO IT'S A WATER TABLE.
WE HAVE TO CLAD THE, THERE'S NO FOUNDATION THERE.
WE'VE GOT A FOUNDATION KINDA SEE THE START OF IT THAT'LL CONTINUE AROUND THE HOUSE.
WE HAD TO CLA THAT WITH SOMETHING.
AND UM, SO WE WERE USING THE UM, SORT OF GRANITE LIMESTONE THAT, UH, WAS APPROVED FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT BY THE, UM, BY THE, THE DRV FOR THE, UH, LANDSCAPE APPROVAL THAT WE GOT, UH, MONTHS AGO.
THEY APPROVED THIS GRANITE THAT WE PROVIDED AND SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO MATCH, 'CAUSE ALL THE COLUMNS ALONG THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT, WHAT THESE, THESE LITTLE SORT OF COLUMN STONE COLUMNS AT A GATE UHHUH TO GET YOU INTO THE FRONT COURTYARD OF EACH OWN.
THE, WE, THEY WANTED THAT TO BE CONSISTENT.
SO WE JUST USE THAT SAME MATERIAL TO CLA THE NEW FOUNDATION AT THE BOTTOM.
I JUST WANNA COME WITH THE BRICK OR A BRICK VENEER MIGHT LOOK MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE OLDER HOME.
IF, IF, IF IT NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
UM, JUST SAY THE WORD AND WE'LL, WE'LL DO, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO BRICK THERE NOW, SO IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO LOOK AT TO, TO, IS IT JUST BLOCK, IS THE ORIGINAL JUST A BLOCK? YEAH, IT'S JUST EXPOSED BLOCK.
UM, SO WE WERE GONNA ESSENTIALLY CLA IT WITH STONE, UM, THE BRICK CHIMNEYS.
UH, I WAS LOOKING AT THE INTERIOR PLANS, THE PLANS FOR THE INSIDE.
DOES IT JUST KIND OF STOP OR, OR DOES THAT YEAH, THEY, THEY, THEY WON'T BE ACTIVE.
UM, THEY'LL JUST BE MERELY FOR THE EXTERIOR CURB APPEAL TO, TO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO.
SO THERE'LL BE NO CHIMNEY INSIDE THE HOUSE? NO CHIMNEY INSIDE THE HOUSE.
YEAH, IT'LL JUST, IT'LL JUST BE ON THE ROOF.
IT'LL JUST BE ON THE ROOF AS A, AS A AESTHETIC FEATURE, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE TO, BECAUSE WE NEED TO MIMIC THE OLD HOUSE.
WELL YOU HAVE CHIMNEY CAPS ON THEM BOTH.
SORRY, WILL YOU HAVE CHIMNEY CAPS? UM, THE EXISTING CHIMNEYS DO NOT HAVE CAPS.
SO WE ORIGINALLY DID SHOW CAPS AND THE CONSULTANT TOLD US TO TAKE 'EM OFF.
SO, SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS BUBBLED.
UM, AND SINCE THEY'RE NOT ACTIVE CHIMNEYS RIGHT? THE CAP ISN'T NECESSARILY NEEDED, SO IT'LL BE FOR LOOKS ONLY.
SO THAT'S THE CASE FOR BOTH CHIMNEYS.
UH, MOST HOMES THAT WE BUILD, THEY WANT GAS FIREPLACES AND UM, THAT VENTS OUT THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THE CHIMNEY IS JUST THERE MERELY FOR ARCHITECTURAL REASONS.
SPEAKING OF JUST STONE AND THINGS, UM, WHAT ABOUT THE, 'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A BASEMENT, PARTIAL BASEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE STONE, UM, UH, PILLARS IN THE BASEMENT? I GUESS WHAT, WILL THEY BE AT ALL SAVED? THE STONE PILLARS OR THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE CRAWL SPACE IN THE CROSS? OH, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THAT OUT.
WE HAVE TO PUT ACTUAL COLUMNS AND FOOTERS THAT, SO THOSE WILL BE GONE HAVE REBAR AND MEET ALL THE STRUCTURAL, THE HAND HUMAN BEAMS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE HAND HUMAN BEAMS? UM, I MEAN IF THEY CAN STAY IN PLACE, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE IN A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN STAY, THEN WE'LL JUST ADD SOME BESIDE 'EM.
UM, IT REALLY IS GONNA BE CASE BY CASE BASIS ON, UM, THE GUIDANCE OF THE ENGINEER.
UM, I MEAN I KNOW THE GENERAL, UM, FLOOR, UH, THE GENERAL FLOOR STRUCTURE IS LIKE TWO BY EIGHTS AND TWO BY SIXES, WHICH, WHICH IS NOT ADEQUATE.
AND THEY'RE PRETTY FAR APART TWO FEET IN SOME CASES.
SO, UM, WE ARE, MY INTENT IS TO TRY TO SISTER IN ACTUAL EYE JOISTS, UM, THAT COULD BE TRIMMED TO FIT.
IT'S BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT, RETROFITTING IT IN THERE.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO GO AND, UM, WITH A SCALPEL.
WELL, THE FOUNDATION WON'T HAVE TO HOLD UP THE CHIMNEYS ANYMORE.
THE CHIMNEYS WON'T, WON'T EXTEND
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DOWN.WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOME SUPPORT IN THE ROOF SYSTEM FOR THEM.
UM, BUT IF THEY NEED TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, UNPAINTED BRICK, WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S FINE, YOU KNOW.
MOVING FORWARD, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT WANT TO ADDRESS IT? I HAVE ONE, I HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD FROM CLAUDIA LEWIS, BUT I DUNNO IF HE'S IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION.
I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO ALL OF YOU.
MY HEARING AIDS ARE NOT THE BEST AND I'M OLD.
AND SO I MAY ASK A QUESTION THAT YOU'VE ANSWERED SEVERAL TIMES.
CAN YOU ALREADY THIS EVENING, CAN YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? I'M SORRY.
I LIVE AT 180 4 CANTON STREET.
I'M DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE WEATHERFORD HOUSE, AND IT'S, AND I'VE KNOWN IT FOR, SINCE WE MOVED THERE 50 SOMETHING YEARS AGO.
I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT I WANTED TO ASK IF THERE IS A PROCESS, UH, WITH THIS COMMITTEE OR WITH THE CITY TO REVIEW, UH, THE PROGRESS AT, UH, PARTICULAR TIMES, UH, AND TO GIVE ADVICE OR HELP IN WHATEVER WAY TO THE, UH, APPLICANT.
UM, WE, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE SOME HISTORIC, UH, ELEMENTS OF A HOUSE WAS SIMPLY DUMPED.
UM, AND, AND THAT, I DON'T EXPECT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE THEY COVERED A LOT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THERE WERE SOME SORT OF A REVIEW PROCESS AS THE, AS IT GOES ALONG AT ADVISORY AND A REVIEW.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK, THOUGH, ON THE INSIDE OF THE, OF THE, UH, HISTORIC PART, UM, THAT WILL ALL BE, I ASSUME PART OF THE ENTIRE RESIDENCE, IT WOULD NOT BE SEPARATE FROM THE ADDED RESIDENCE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS CORRECT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE TURNED INTO A LARGER ROOM.
THE HISTORIC PART, UH, BE INCORPORATED AS FAR AS THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS CONCERNED.
I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GOOD.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO THANK YOU ALL I HAVE TO ASK MS. LEWIS.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A RECORD FOR ME, RIGHT?
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD.
CAN SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS? THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
DID, ARE YOU ACCEPTING STAFF'S CONDITIONS OR DID YOU WANNA ADD, I'M SORRY, WHAT ARE YOU ACCEPTING STAFF'S CONDITIONS, STAFF CONDITIONS.
YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE STAFF CONDITIONS? STAFF.
OH, THE STAFF CONDITIONS, YES.
YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S NOT A SEPARATE MOTION.
IS IT SET MOTION NEEDED FOR THAT? WHO SECONDED THE MOTION? I'M SORRY.
COULD YOU RAISE YOUR HANDS AGAIN? ALL IN FAVOR? AND ALL OPPOSED.
[5. ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS]
DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, ITEMS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP? BOB? I THINK YOU DID WELL.I WAS GOING TO, UH, BRIEFLY MENTION SOMETHING THAT'S UNRELATED AND THAT IS THE, UH, ISSUE OF THE PANEL'S HISTORIC LOUDER.
THE ISSUE OF THE HISTORIC PANELS THAT EXIST ON THE OUTSIDE, ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE, UH, MACY'S DEPARTMENT STORE AT THE, AT THE MALL.
AND, UM, I, I DID A COLUMN ABOUT THOSE.
THAT IS, THE COLUMN IS APPEARING THIS WEEK IN THE ALPHARETTA NEWSPAPERS.
AND THE COLUMNS ARE QUITE HISTORIC.
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WHAT THE RESULT WILL BE AT THE, AT, AT WHEN, WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE AT THE MALL.BUT, UM, SOMEONE SHOULD, IN MY OPINION, STEP FORWARD AND PRESERVE THOSE VERY HISTORIC MARKERS, UM, PANELS THAT, UH, OUTLINE THE HISTORY OF THE DEPARTMENT STORES IN IN THE MALL, IN THE MALL AND BEFORE THE MALL.
UM, KATHY HAS PROVIDED, I, I SENT TO THE BOARD, UM, TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND TO KATHY.
UM, BEFORE YOU GUYS TAKE OFF, JUST BEFORE THEY TAKE OFF, I'D LIKE TO JUST, UH, JUST A A JUST A BROACH A FEW LITTLE THINGS WITH YOU GUYS.
SO THEIR ITEM HAS BEEN APPROVED.
KATHY HAS PROVIDED MA THE MATERIAL TO THE, UM, OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY AND, UH, AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL REVIEW IT AND DO SOMETHING TO SAVE THOSE PROPERTIES THAT OTHERWISE WOULD PROBABLY BE THROWN AWAY AND THEY'D BE LOST AND NO ONE WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT.
VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE EVEN AWARE OF WHAT THEY ARE.
UH, BUT THEY'RE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF MACY'S DEPARTMENTS ARE, THEY'VE BEEN THERE.
I'VE ASKED PEOPLE IN MACY'S WHAT THEY ARE AND THEY DON'T KNOW.
AL DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST OF LUCK.
UH, I REALLY WOULD LOVE YOU TO GET STARTED WITH THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHEN THAT'LL HAPPEN, BUT, UM, I HOPE IT HAPPENS SOON.
UH, I'LL SEND THAT INFORMATION TO YOU AS, AS WELL AS ANYTHING ELSE I HAVE, UH, THAT WILL HELP YOU WITH MAKING IT LOOK LIKE IT USED TO BE, BECAUSE I DO REMEMBER HOW BEAUTIFUL IT WAS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO IT MAYBE, UH, BEING JUST AS BEAUTIFUL IN THE FUTURE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY REPORTS FROM STAFF? NO.
THEN I WOULD LIKE TO DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED.