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GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME
[1. MEETING ANNOUNCEMENTS]
TO THE CITY OF RETA DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.UH, TODAY IS SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2026.
[2. WORK SESSION ITEMS]
IS OUR WORKSHOP SESSION.SO AT THAT, I'LL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO OFFICER SCHROEDER AND HE CAN WALK US THROUGH OUR, UH, APPLICATIONS.
THAT WILL BE THEN HEARING, UH, STARTING AT NINE O'CLOCK AT OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, OFFICER SCHROER, THE FLOOR IS YOURS THIS MORNING.
UM, FIRST, AS YOU'LL SEE ON YOUR AGENDA, UM, WE DO HAVE A DEFERRAL FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, FOR THE FIRST CASE, WHICH WAS, UM, FOUNDERS' HALL.
SO, UH, THE APPLICANT ASKED TO DEFER THAT ONE.
THEY WEREN'T QUITE, WEREN'T QUITE READY FOR, UM, FOR ALL THE ELEVATIONS THEY NEEDED.
SO, UM, BE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA DEFER THAT.
DEFER TO NEXT MONTH OR JUST, UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE IN NOVEMBER.
AS LONG AS THEY'RE READY, WHICH THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BUT I, UM, ELLIE AND I HAVE IT READY TO ADVERTISE NEXT MONTH FOR NOVEMBER, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'RE READY.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS ALPHA ALPHA A METHODIST.
AND, UM, SETH, WILL YOU PUT MY COMPUTER UP PLEASE? UM, AND I HAVE SOME UPDATES FOR BOTH OF THESE CASES, SO I'M GONNA KIND OF FLIP BACK AND FORTH.
UM, MARK AND I FROM BLACK DOG SIGN COMPANY, UM, HERE WE GO.
MARK AND I FROM BLACK DOG SIGN COMPANY, UM, WORKED ON THE MONUMENT SIGN AS WELL, AND HE WAS JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS ABLE TO, TO PULL THE BOARD OR THE DESIGN COMMITTEE OR WHOEVER FROM ALFRED A METHODIST AND, AND GET THEIR APPROVAL ON THE MONUMENT.
SO THE MONUMENT WASN'T IN YOUR PACKET, BUT I, I'LL SHOW IT TO YOU.
UM, SO THIS IS SOME NEW SIGNAGE THAT ALFREDA METHODIST WANTS TO DO.
UM, IT MEETS THE NEW DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE FOR ILLUMINATION.
SO JUST, UH, JUST THE TWO, TWO BUILDING SIGNS, AND THEN THE MONUMENT SIGNS, TWO BUILDING SIGNS, AND THEN THE MONUMENT SIGN.
AND I'M GONNA SWITCH OFF HERE AND I WILL SHOW YOU THE MONUMENT SIGN.
MAYBE HERE'S THE MONUMENT SIGN.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'LL BE REALLY NICE.
UM, WE KIND OF WORKED AT IT A LITTLE BIT THE OTHER DAY.
MARK AND I, UM, INITIALLY THE SIDES WERE, UM, WE HAD THE NUMBERS, THE ADDRESS NUMBERS DOWN HERE, AND THE SIDES WERE ALL THIS, UM, SORT OF WHITE BACKGROUND COLOR.
AND WE SORT OF SETTLED AND I'M GLAD THEY APPROVED THAT WE MOVED THE LETTER OR THE NUMBERS UP HERE, AND WE'RE GONNA HALO LIGHT THOSE AS JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE SIGN.
AND THEN THIS EDGE LOOKED A LITTLE PLAIN AND I THINK SINCE IT'S GONNA BE BASICALLY RIGHT AT THE SIDEWALK AND IT'S REALLY GONNA BE PEDESTRIAN RIGHT THROUGH THERE, UM, I THINK JUST PAINTING IT BLUE MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE OVER JUST BEING A PLAIN WHITE.
SO WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU, UM, IF YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT THIS TODAY AS WELL, AND, AND APPROVE IT, UM, IS A QUESTION HERE.
I, AND THIS MAY BE A TERMINOLOGY THING 'CAUSE WE'VE SEEN THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT THESE ARE HALO LIT, RIGHT? THESE ARE LOW LIT, BUT THE, BUT THE, THE WORDS SAY INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED.
WELL, SO THERE'S, I, I GUESS TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT HALO LID, BUT THE, THE WALL SIGN IS, THIS IS, UM, PUSHED THROUGH ACRYLIC.
SO THEY'LL TAKE THE METAL BACKING, THEY'LL CUT THAT OUT IN THE THING, THEN THEY PUSH ACRYLIC THROUGH IT, AND THEN THEY PUT A, UM, OPAQUE VINYL, WHICH IS THE BLUE.
THEY'LL PUT AN OPAQUE VINYL ON THE FRONT.
SO THEY PUSH IT THROUGH, I THINK MARK CAN PROBABLY CLARIFY IT, BUT LIKE A HALF INCH, MAYBE PUSH IT THROUGH THE METAL.
SO THEN WHEN THEY HA, WHEN THEY LIGHT IT FROM THE INSIDE, SO IT IS TECHNICALLY INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, BUT IT DOESN'T SHINE THROUGH THE FACE.
IT'LL JUST COME OUT THOSE EDGES, WHICH IS WHAT CREATES THAT HALO LOOK.
AND THE EDGES ARE SOLID ACRYLIC, SO THE EDGES WOULD BE SOLID, CLEAR ACRYLIC CLEAR.
BUT THE FACE IS OPAQUE SO THAT IT DOESN'T COME THROUGH THAT WAY.
I THINK THE WHOLE PACKAGE IS REALLY TASTEFUL.
AND THE OLD SIGN SEEMED WAY MORE COMMERCIAL, LIKE A, I AGREE.
I THINK GROCERY, THIS ONE, GROCERY STORE THIS, YEAH.
THIS, THIS SEEMS MORE LIKE A CHURCH.
IS IT GOING IN THE SAME LOCATION? I BELIEVE IT IS, BUT I THINK MARK CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
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THAT NAILED DOWN JUST YET.YOU KNOW, I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN WAITING ON ALL THE DOT STUFF AND WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
SO IT MAY BE CLOSE TO THAT AREA, BUT, OKAY.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO CAVENDERS AND THE PACKAGE DID NOT, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT LOADED THE WAY IT DID.
THOSE ARE 11 BY 17 PRINTS, BUT IT CUT 'EM IN HALF.
YEAH, I, I, I'M LIKE, I CAN'T, SO ANYWAY, RICHARD TOOK US SOME LIVE PICTURES, UM, BECAUSE CAVENDERS GOT STOPPED MID-PROCESS OR SORT OF TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF THEIR PROCESS.
THERE WAS SOME MISCOMMUNICATION, SOME MISUNDERSTANDING I SHOULD SAY.
UM, BETWEEN CITY STAFF AND A COUPLE OF THE VENDORS, THEY THOUGHT SOME THINGS COULD GET DONE, THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN.
SO, UM, WE WORKED THROUGH IT WITH CAVENDERS.
THEY DECIDED AT THEIR OWN RISK TO GO AHEAD AND FINISH IT UP BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT SOME, UM, INTERNAL SCHEDULES TO MEET.
SO THEY WANTED TO, THEY WANTED TO FINISH IT UP.
SO WE HAD, UM, THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS WITH THEM TO, TO LOOK AT THINGS WHICH TWEAKED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND, UM, THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT CAME OUT OF IT.
SO THIS IS YOUR PACKET, BASICALLY.
THIS, THESE PICTURES IS WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT'S IN THEIR PACKET.
I'M SORRY, THE, THE SIGNS ARE HALO LIT.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN THIS WAS, UM, PARTY CITY.
PARTY CITY, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHO WAS ROOMS TO GO.
ALL OF THESE MALLS WERE A REALLY BLIGHT, BRIGHT BLUE.
UM, THE BUILDING WAS WHITE, BASICALLY.
UM, AND THEY HAD, UM, WHITE ROUND, RICHARD HAS THE CORRECT TERM FOR HIM, BUT THEY HAD ROUND COLUMNS, DORIC, THEY WERE DORIC STYLE COLUMNS.
THAT'S KIND OF THEIR THING FOR ROOMS TO GO.
SO I, I PERSONALLY THINK THIS IS A, THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD WEEK TO THE BUILDING.
UM, THE COLUMNS ARE BIGGER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA BE, BUT THEY ACTUALLY STARTED AT THE BASE AND JUST SQUARED IT UP.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW BIG THE BASE OF THE COLUMNS WAS.
UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULDN'T CALL THOSE COLUMNS
SO THAT'S THAT I, I REALLY LIKE HOW THE, UM, YEAH, SORT OF, UH, WHAT DO I WANT TO CALL IT? LIKE A, A SURROUNDED THE SIGN.
UH, MUCH BETTER THAN, THAN, UM, SOME PEOPLE DO WITH JUST A, A FLAT METAL SHAPE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, SO DID THEY REPLACE ALL OF THE STOREFRONT GLASS TO BE ABLE, THEY DID NOT REPLACE ANY STOREFRONT GLASS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
SO HOW'D THEY GET DID THE MUL LIST? THEY PAINTED THEM.
IT LOOKS THINNER THAN I REMEMBER AS FAR AS THE, IT IT DOES.
AND I, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE IT WENT, THEY WENT TO THE BLACK AND WITH THE TINT OF THE GLASS, I THINK IT, IT JUST SORT OF MADE 'EM GO AWAY.
YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF GLASS IN THIS BUILDING THOUGH, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE GOT SOME OF THIS KIND OF STUFF ON THE, ON THE, THIS SIDE.
AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, I THINK, GOING ON THE FRONT BECAUSE THEY NEED SHELVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND WE DON'T WANNA SEE THE BACK OF, OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO WHAT IS, IS THAT TECHNICALLY A MURAL? WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE APPROVING OR? NO, NO, NO.
IT'S, UM, IT'S A, LOOKS LIKE IT'S A FILM ON THE INSIDE.
IT'S, IT'S A FILM AND THEY, THEY DO NEED SOME, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A GROUPING OF THREE TREES BACK HERE PROBABLY AT ONE POINT.
YEAH, I SEE TWO STUMPS AND THEN THE THIRD TREE.
SO YEAH, I THINK THEY PROBABLY NEED A LITTLE, UM, AND, AND THEY MAY BE PLANNING IT.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IS NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST TIME TO PLANT HERE, BUT, UM, SO WE CAN, WE CAN ASK 'EM ABOUT THAT.
THEY, UM, THEY DO MENTION IN THEIR DESCRIPTION THAT THERE'S OVERGROWN LANDSCAPING THAT DIMINISHES THE CURB APPEAL.
SO, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF THE OVERGROWN LANDSCAPE.
OH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT, LET'S SEE.
THAT TREE DOESN'T LOOK HEALTHY.
SOME OF THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN IN THE MORNING.
SO THE SUN WASN'T IDEAL FOR SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS.
THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT FACES FACES.
NORTH POINT PARKWAY, WHICH ALSO HAS COLUMNS AND KIND OF A, A, A FAKE ENTRY,
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LET'S CALL THEM BRICK.THEY'RE WOOD, THEY'RE CLAD AND WOOD.
THEY WERE THEY CLAD AND WOOD AND STAINED A VERY DARK, LET SEE.
ONE OF THE PICTURES WAS PRETTY CLOSE.
OKAY, SO I'M A LITTLE FUZZY ON WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING.
THEY'RE, THEY DID THE WORK AT THEIR OWN RISK.
WHAT IS THIS? I MEAN, ARE WE, WE'RE
BRANDON, IT MAY HELP BE HELPFUL TO BRING UP, TO BRING UP THE ENTIRE PACKAGE SO WE CAN SEE NOT JUST HALF THE, UM, HALF THE DRAWINGS, BUT THE WHOLE DRAWINGS.
'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T TELL US MUCH.
THIS WAS A BEFORE AND THEN AFTER, SO YOU CAN SEE THEY HAD WHITE AND BLUE.
THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANY OF THAT.
AND THEN WE HAD THE BLUE MOYENS AND THEY WENT TO BLACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE NEXT ONE SHOWS THE ROUND COLUMN AND THE COLUMN BEFORE THAT, IF YOU GO TO THE PAGE ABOVE, HAS A BASE AND HAS A LITTLE YEAH, YEAH.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A PIER THAT LET, I THINK THAT MUST HAVE BEEN AN EARLIER ITERATION BECAUSE THE COLUMNS THAT WERE BUILT ARE A LOT WIDER THAN WHAT'S IN THE DRAWING.
I GUESS IT COULD HAVE BEEN PUT INSIDE THE, THAT BASE AND LEFT THE BASE THERE.
AND THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SO THICK AND YET HAD A BASE ON THEM.
YEAH, I, I THINK THOSE COLUMNS NEED SOME HELP IF THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE THEM.
I GET, I'D RATHER LOOK AT EXTENSIVE WAY TO CHANGE THAT COLUMN IS TO TRIM IT ALL OUT IN WOOD ALL THE WAY UP AND BE DONE.
I'D RATHER LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE DONE 10 TIMES OVER VERSUS WHAT WAS THERE.
YES, IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT BY FAR
I WA I WAS THINKING MORE THAT THERE'S LIKE A LACK OF A CORNICE OF ANY KIND AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMNS.
I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT AS SOON AS I SAW YOU SEEN A LOT WORSE.
THAT LEFT EDGE, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS OUTSIDE THE WALL.
I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THE OLD CORNICE OR THE OLD CAPITAL, THE COLUMN WENT WAS FLUSH.
SO WHEN YOU WRAP IT, I THINK THE OTHER ONE THAT STICKS OUT FROM THE MM-HMM
NO, ALONG THAT FRONT ELEVATION.
OH, YOU THINK IT COMES PROUD AS WELL? YEAH, IT COULD BE.
I HOPE THEY'VE, UH, THE LITTLE INSET PORTION WHEN THE WOOD STICKS OUT.
I HOPE THEY SEALED IT PROPERLY AT THE TOP.
SO I, UM, OR LEFT IT THAT IT FLOWS ALL DOWN AND OUT.
LIKE I DID A LITTLE EXPERIMENT LAST NIGHT AND PLUGGED THIS INTO AI TO SEE WHAT WOULD COME OUT.
I GOT SOME, I GOT SOME INTERESTING DRAWING.
I GOT AN INTERESTING DRAWING I'LL SHARE WITH YOU.
SO IF, I MEAN, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO DISCUSS.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE FOR, FOR BRETT THIS MORNING? WE BEING DONE? ALRIGHT, LET'S, UH, LET'S ADJOURN THE WORKSHOP SESSION AND BE BACK IN HERE IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES TO GET OUR PUBLIC HEARING STARTED AT NINE O'CLOCK.
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA'S DESIGN AND REVIEW BOARD PUBLIC HEARING.
TODAY IS SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2026.
UH, WE HAVE A VERY, VERY LONG AGENDA TODAY IN FRONT OF US, SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T BE, BE EFFICIENT, BUT, UM, OKAY.
[3. CALL TO ORDER]
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS, UH, GOT THE CALL, THE ORDER DONE.EVERYBODY'S HERE EXCEPT FOR, UH, MARTINE RINKA.
UM, BUT UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM SO WE CAN PROCEED.
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REMINDER, JUST IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE YOUR ELECTRONIC VICES ARE IN THE SILENT MODE FOR US.WE'RE GONNA STAND, FACE THE FLAG AND HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLEASE PLEDGE ALL ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR IT STANDS.
ONE NATION, NATION UNDER GOD, GOD INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[6. ITEMS FROM STAFF]
ANY ITEMS FROM STAFF THIS MORNING? ANYTHING FROM STAFF? WE DO HAVE, UM, AT LEAST ONE THING FROM STAFF.ELLIE'S GOT HER HER SPIEL, BUT WE HAVE, AS YOU SEE, WE'VE GOT A NEW TEAM MEMBER HERE.
SETH HOLBROOK JOINED US ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO OR SO.
UM, HE TOOK THE, UM, GIS SPECIALIST, UH, SOMETHING IN OUR DEPARTMENT ANYWAY THAT JOEL HAD.
UH, JOEL MOVED UP TO THE IT DEPARTMENT, UH, STILL IN GIS, BUT, BUT MOVED UP TO THE IT DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND SO SETH JOINED OUR FAMILY DOWNSTAIRS.
AND, UM, SETH, DO YOU WANNA GIVE 'EM A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR BACKGROUND SINCE WE HAVE A SHORT MEETING TODAY,
UH, I CAME FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR, UH, CIVIL ENGINEERING WITH AECOM.
UH, PRIMARILY WORKED, UH, UNDER THE, UH, NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM WITH FEMA.
SO DID A LOT OF
SO WHAT'S YOUR OFFICIAL TITLE WITH THE CITY'S A LONG ONE.
IT'S A GIS SPECIALISTS, SPECIAL PROJECTS PLANNER.
WE, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH AN ACRONYM FOR THAT OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, WE, WE A LARGER BUSINESS CARD.
WE DID GET HIM THE EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 SIZE CARDS, SO WE GET IT ALL ON THERE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING.
I ALSO JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE TO MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONES ARE ON WHEN YOU SPEAK.
AND THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING CLOSE TO THE MICROPHONE.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT FOR SOME REASON I'M STILL HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING SOME THINGS WHEN I GO BACK.
AND, UH, ALSO I SENT AN EMAIL OUT LAST NIGHT ABOUT, UM, DEFERRALS IF WE DEFER AN ITEM DURING THE MEETING, WE CAN'T, WE CAN DEFER IT TO A CERTAIN DATE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE READVERTISED BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HAS HAD THE CHANCE TO SEE THE ITEM BEING DEFERRED, UH, THAT THAT'S BEING DEFERRED.
SO I JUST WANNA BRING THAT UP.
SO, SO THAT WILL HELP SOME OF THE APPLICATIONS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO SKIP A MONTH BEFORE THEY'RE READVERTISED AND THEN COME BACK BEFORE US.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF THIS MORNING? I GUESS, ELLIE, DO YOU WANT TO DO YOUR PUBLIC HEARING? I SHOULD DO IT FOR PUBLIC.
UH, ANY, YOU SAID YOU SENT THE THING ABOUT THE S LAST NIGHT? UM, LAST OR YES, SOMETIME YESTERDAY.
ALRIGHT, CHECK YOUR, CHECK YOUR CITY EMAIL BOXES FOR THAT, FOR THAT NOTE.
THAT, THAT MEANS YOU NEED TO GET WITH THE IT GUY THEN.
[7. ITEMS FROM BOARD MEMBERS]
FROM BOARD MEMBERS THIS MORNING? ANYTHING FROM BOARD MEMBERS, ANNIVERSARIES, BIRTHDAYS, CELEBRATIONS, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? OKAY.NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO, UH, REVIEW AND APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR AUGUST 21ST, 2026 DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING.
UM, I KNOW FRANK HAD SOME COMMENTS TO ELLIE.
I CORRECTED MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT FRANK SENT ME AND THOSE MINUTES ARE BEFORE YOU, BUT I WASN'T SURE ABOUT JENNIFER'S MOTION.
UM, THE, UH, AND I, AND I HAD A, I HAVE A FEW THINGS TOO, ELLIE, FOR YOU, BUT THANK YOU.
IF JENNIFER WANTS TO WORK ON HER OKAY.
OR CORRECT HER MOTION FROM, UM, THE PRINCETON ELM.
HE WASN'T SURE IF THAT MADE SENSE, BUT I THINK HE, WHICH AND WHICH, LET'S SEE, WHICH APPLICATION WAS THAT ON? IT WAS ON THE FIRST, UM, IT WAS THE FIRST, UH, SO THAT WAS ON 2 0 4 MARIETTA STREET.
IF YOU COULD, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE MOTION, WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE STRIP ARE TO BE CHANGED TO A SHADE TREE.
PRINCETON ELMS SIMILAR TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE POWER.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING ISN'T WORDED RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S HOW THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT WAS WORDED.
BUT I CAN ADD, I CAN ADD WHAT HER INTENT,
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I THINK HER OKAY.I THINK HER INTENT WAS THAT IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE PRINCETON ELM BECAUSE IT'S A SHADE TREE, IT PRINCETON ELM.
I THINK IT'D BE OKAY THAT OKAY.
I THINK SO THAT, SO TWO SHOULD BE, OR THE, THE WORD TO TO SHOULD BE OR, OKAY.
BEFORE BE BETWEEN ELM AND SIMILAR SHOULD BE THE WORD OR, OKAY.
I DO NOTE IN THAT SAME PARAGRAPH, UH, THE MUL GRASS IS NOT SPELLED CORRECTLY.
OH, THAT WAS PROBABLY MY FAULT.
I, IT WAS NEWLY GRASS AND I, I GAVE HER MONTHLY GRASS AND I THOUGHT IT WAS M MU.
AND YOU GOT THE HORN BEAM CORRECTED UP ABOVE THERE.
SO RIGHT ABOVE, LET'S, UM, PICK UP RIGHT THERE, RIGHT ABOVE THERE THAT AFTER THE, UH, THE MOTION THAT, UM, ERIC ROWAN, EXCUSE ME, ERIC ROWAN MADE, I HAD IT BEING SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER OWENS AND NOT BY SWING.
I THINK I REMEMBER THAT AS WELL.
SO THAT LET ME, UH, SO THE, I THINK I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT, BUT I, I CHECKED IT.
I, I HAVE THE SAME THING AND MY NOTES THAT, THAT'S RICHARD OWENS WAS THE SECOND.
AND THEN LET GO BACK, LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I FLAGGED HERE.
UM, GOT THE DOUBLE X, THERE WAS ANOTHER MOTION THAT WAS, UM, OH, ON 2 0 4 MARIETTA STREET.
SOME OF THE, THE DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD, ELLIE, UM, THE BULLET POINTS, THE THIRD BULLET POINT FROM THE BOTTOM, IT SAYS ACCENT THE WALT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD SAY WALL.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE MORE BEFORE THAT.
UM, THE MOTION THAT THE VICE CHAIR SWING MADE ON THE SITE LIGHTING FOR, UM, SITE LIGHTING FOR SEVEN BREW COFFEE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE LAST MOTION OF SEVEN BREW COFFEE VICE, UH, CHAIR SWING OFF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE LIGHTING AS SUBMITTED.
UM, BOARD MEMBER CORPORAL SECONDED THAT, DID YOU CATCH THAT? OKAY.
AND THEN JUST FYI, I LOOKED AT THE FIRST PAGE WORK SESSION ITEMS. THERE'S A, THE S IS A LOWER CASE, SO I'LL CHANGE THAT TO UPPER CASE.
I KNOW THOSE ARE MINOR TWEAKS, BUT THANK YOU ELLIE FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
IT'S A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF TRANSLATION.
HOW ABOUT, IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? TRANSLATE TRANSCRIPTIONS, TRANSLATION,
TRYING TO GET IT FROM, FROM VERBAL INTO, UH, WRITTEN, SO.
ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 21ST? 'CAUSE I THINK WE CAN APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES, UH, WITH THE NOTE CORRECTIONS THAT WE JUST JUST MADE.
DOES SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION ABOUT OUR, OUR MEET AUGUST MEETING MINUTES, PLEASE? I'LL MAKE, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE AUGUST MEETING MI MINUTES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE ANNOTATED CHANGES, UH, THAT WERE MADE, UM, PRIOR TO THIS MEETING IN, UH, A FEW MOMENTS AGO.
I HAVE A, A MOTION BY, UH, ROWAN, A SECOND BY SPRAYBERRY.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE BEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE AUGUST 21ST, 2026 DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES.
SIX ZERO SO THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
OUR FIRST APPLICANT, LET, LET ME DO
[1. Public Hearing Procedure]
THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURE.AN INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING TO BE HEARD ON A MATTER RELATED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING MUST BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR.
BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD UPON WRITING TO SPEAK, THE SPEAKER MUST IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR HERSELF AND FURNISH A HOME OR BUSINESS ADDRESS BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS.
THE BOARD WILL ALLOW THE PROPONENTS A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION.
OPPONENTS WILL BE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
COMMENTS ARE ACCEPTED FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY THE PERSON SPEAKING IN FAVOR.
AND THEN FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION UPON CONCLUSION OF ANY OPPOSING COMMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS, THE CHAIR WILL ALLOW
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THE APPLICANT TO OFFER REBUTTAL IF ANY TIME IS REMAINING IN THE ALLOTTED ORIGINAL 10 MINUTES.THIS IS SOMETHING WE READ AT EVERY PUBLIC HEARING MEETING.
WE KNOW THAT DRB IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT PARTS TO A CASE.
SO THE CHAIR HAS DISCRETION TO ALLOW MORE TIME AS NEEDED.
I WAS JUST, UM, MAKING SOME CLARIFICATIONS WITH THE CITY CLERK AND I DIDN'T READ YOUR EMAIL YET, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF IT WAS INCLUDED IN IT, BUT SHE, UM, FOR THE CHAIR, UH, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEFER SOMETHING MID OR EVEN BEFORE, IF YOU'RE GONNA DEFER IT TO THE NEXT MEETING, YOU NEED TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
CALL THE WHAT NOW? PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU NEED TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT EVEN IF THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE OR YOU'RE GONNA DEFER IT BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY DO THAT.
YOU MAY HAVE TO REMIND ME OF THAT.
WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO REMEMBER THAT.
I DO, BUT, BUT NOT FOR DEFERRAL.
EVEN THAT INCLUDES, THAT INCLUDES DEFERRALS.
SO, UM, WHAT SHE SAID, BASICALLY THE, THE BEING ABLE TO DEFER TO THE NEXT MEETING OR TO A SUBSEQUENT MEETING IS, IS AT THE MEETING IS THE PUBLIC'S WAY.
THEY WERE STILL HERE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO ABOUT THE CASE, IF THEY WANTED ANYTHING.
SO WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM STILL THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, IF THEY SAY, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD DEFER IT, I THINK YOU SHOULD DENY IT.
YOU CAN ALSO DO THAT IF AN APPLICATION'S NOT HERE OKAY.
OR AN APPLICANT ISN'T HERE AS WELL.
SO FOR A DEFERRAL, WE STILL MAKE A MOTION.
SO IT'LL STILL BE THE SAME PROCESS.
BECAUSE WE STILL MAKE A MOTION DEFER.
WE JUST HAVE TO SAY DEFER TILL NEXT, TILL NEXT, NEXT, THE NEXT MEETING, WHENEVER THAT MAY BE.
AFTER YOU'VE CALLED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
[3. DRB260023 Alpharetta Methodist 69 North Main St
review signage]
UM, IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF THIS MORNING AND THEN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET TODAY, PLEASE.
MORNING, MARK ADA WITH BLACK DOG SIGN COMPANY.
I'M SORRY, YOUR FIRST NAME? MARK.
CAN YOU EVEN AS AN ADDRESS FOR THE BUSINESS PLEASE? OUR BUSINESS OR THE BUSINESS I'M REPRESENTING? UH, I THINK IT'S YOUR BUSINESS AS YOU'RE THE APPLICANT.
MY BUSINESS IS AT 55 10 MCGINNIS FERRY IN ALFREDA.
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S COMING UP.
OUR, OUR SCREENS INDICATE THAT YOU NEED TO CHOOSE TO MIRROR OR ATTEND THE DISPLAY ON THE MENU.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT? I'M JUST LOOKING FOR DISPLAY.
ALL RIGHT, MARK, YOU'RE YOU'RE ON.
SO WE'RE, UM, ALFREDO METHOD IS JUST REFRESHING THEIR BRAND, UM, FROM THE OLD AM SYMBOL THAT'S OUT THERE, WHICH IS A BLACK AND RED COLOR.
UM, THIS IS THEIR GO FORWARD, UH, BRANDING, WHICH HAS MORE OF A BLUE AND, UM, IT'S
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PRIMARILY BLUE AND GOLD.SO WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS THAT WE WOULD ADOPT THE ALPHARETTA METHODIST NAME ALONG WITH THEIR GO FORWARD LOGO.
WE WOULD DO IT IN REVERSE LIT CHANNEL LETTERS, UM, WITH WHITE ILLUMINATION ON THE WALL.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO ASKING ON BOTH SIDES TO ADJUST THE BACKGROUND COLOR.
IT'S GOT MORE OF A YELLOW COLOR TO IT TODAY, ADJUSTING IT TO THIS, UH, WHITE COLOR.
I HAVE, I THINK WE'RE PASSING AROUND THE COLOR CHIPS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, BOTH THE BLUE AND THE WHITE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
THEY'RE DOWN, THEY'RE DOWN THERE BY, AND THE, UM, WHAT I HAVE UP IS THE MAIN STREET, UH, FRONTAGE.
UM, MARK YOU MENTIONED THE WHITE, WHERE'S THE, SO, UM, LOOKING AT THE LETTERS, ALPHARETTA METHODIST, THOSE ARE THE, SO THE ANCHORS AWAY BLUE? YEAH.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALUMINUM AND PAINTED BLUE.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE NIGHT VIEW ON THE BOTTOM.
THEN THE ILLUMINATION IS ONLY THE HALO ON THE WALL.
AND THE SAME GOES FOR THE, UH, THE SYMBOL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE, ALRIGHT.
SO THAT'S ON THE MAIN STREET SIDE.
ANY QUESTIONS? THIS, ALRIGHT, LET'S TURN, LET'S GO TO THE INTERIOR KIND OF, OF THE CAMPUS.
THE SECOND ONE'S, THE C*****G STREET ENTRANCE, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE, UM, WHICH IS SET BACK FURTHER FROM THE ROAD, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE TODAY.
THIS IS A STACKED VERSION TO LEVERAGE THAT SPACE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, AND HOW ARE THE LETTERS ANCHORED INTO THE BUILDING? UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STUD MOUNTED.
AND, AND ANCHORED WITH ADHESIVE.
AND THEN ALL EACH ONE HAS AN LED THAT THEN PULLS THROUGH, UM, INTO THE BUILDING.
SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TAKE THE OLD SIGN DOWN, I ASSUME THERE'S SOME HOLES.
SO THERE AS, AS PART OF THE PROPOSAL TO PAINT THE FACADE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE DOWN THE LETTERS IN ONE STEP.
GO AHEAD AND PATCH AND FILL AND PAINT THAT WALL.
AND THEN COME BACK AND PUT IT, YOU'RE PAINTING THAT WALL? I DID.
UM, WHICH PART OF THE WALL ARE YOU PAINTING? JUST THAT, THAT PORTION RIGHT THERE.
WHAT'S THAT PORTION IN THE PICTURE THAT'S, THAT'S VISIBLE IN THE PICTURE ON BOTH THE WHOLE EVEN BE OUTSIDE THE COLUMNS.
ARE THEY GONNA BE DOING LIKE AN EFIS REPAIR OR ARE THEY JUST PAINT? UH, THIS IS BRICK PUTTING C**K BRICK.
THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS JUST BRICK AND MORTAR ON BOTH ELEVATIONS.
IT'S EXACTLY, THIS WAS PART OF THEIR, UM, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION A FEW YEARS BACK.
BUT YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE, IN THE CURRENT VIEW, IT'S GOT MORE OF A YELLOW FEEL TO IT.
UM, SO YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE REPAINTING THE CHURCH NOW, JUST NOT YOU, BUT, SO ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S A CURVED PORTION AND ONE'S CONVEX, ONE'S CONCAVE.
UM, THOSE ARE THE PORTIONS THAT HAVE A, A YELLOW FACADE.
YEAH, THAT'S NOT THE ENTIRE CHURCH.
JUST THAT WALL THAT BOTH SIGNS ARE ON NOW.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE A STONE OR SOMETHING, OR I THOUGHT IT WAS
I SWITCHED TO STREET VIEW HERE.
HANG ON, WE'RE GONNA
AND WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS, SO THE, THE LOGO THAT IS ALL ONE SOLID PANEL.
IF YOU, THE LETTERS ARE ALL INDIVIDUAL.
THE LETTERS ARE ALL INDIVIDUAL.
THE THE LOGO ACTUALLY HAS A, A SMALL PAN HOLDING IT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE DETAILS ARE MORE, ARE SMALLER.
AND IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE COLOR MATCHED TO THE WALLS, SO YOU WON'T REALLY NOTICE THAT.
SEE, I THOUGHT THOSE, I THOUGHT THOSE WERE LIKE STONE PANELS.
IT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PROBABLY EIGHT BY 16 INCH STONE OR STONE TILE.
UM, IT COULD, IT'S IT'S, I THINK IT'S VERY PATCHABLE, BUT WELL, BUT NOT PAINTABLE.
YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE PAINTING THE WHOLE ELEVATION? OH, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING.
SO MARK, WHAT WE'RE SEEING THERE IN THIS ELEVATION ON THE MAIN STREET ELEVATION, THE MAIN STREET ELEVATION MM-HMM
YOU HAVE A LIGHT WHITE IN THREE PANELS AND YOU HAVE A MORE BEIGE ON THE LEFT PANEL.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A COAT, THAT'S JUST A LIGHT, A SHADOW THING.
AND I, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY HERE.
THAT COLOR OF THE LIGHTER STONE WAS
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SUPPOSED TO MATCH THE MORTAR COLOR OF THE BRICK BECAUSE THOSE ARE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.WHERE YOUR POINTER IS, IS ONE TYPE ONE BRICK FROM THE EARLY THIRTIES, FORTIES, FIFTIES.
AND ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS FROM LIKE THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES.
SO THEY COULDN'T MATCH THE BRICK.
HENCE THE REASON WHY THERE'S THIS WHITE KIND OF, UH, CENTER.
UM, WHICH HAS CLASSROOMS BEHIND IT.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT WAS DONE TO, TO PURPOSEFULLY DISCONNECT THOSE TWO BECAUSE THE BRICKS WERE NOT THE SAME.
BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT PAINTED.
IT'S GONNA BE MUCH HARDER TO PATCH.
WELL, SO THE SIGN THAT'S THERE NOW IS ANCHORED WITH INDIVIDUAL STUD MOUNT.
SO THERE'S APPROXIMATELY FOUR HOLES FOR EVERY LETTER YOU SEE IN THE BUILDING PER LETTER.
SO MAYBE THIS MAYBE, UH, I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD.
MAYBE THE NEW SIGN THEN HAS SOME SORT OF A, A, A BACKING TO IT OF THAT THEN THE LETTERS WERE MOUNTED ON THAT.
AND THE BACKING THEN KIND OF COVERS ALL THE HOLES OR THE PATCHING OF THE HOLES THAT YOU HAVE TO DO FOR THE EXISTING SIGN.
I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD NOW.
I MEAN, IF THEY START PAYING MARK, DO YOU KNOW THE, DO YOU KNOW THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING SIGN VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AS FAR AS JUST THE OUTSIDE DIMENSIONS? I DON'T KNOW RIGHT OFFHAND.
UM, I KNOW WE'RE SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN IT WITH THIS ONE.
SO, SO ONE THING TO BE INCLUDED CONCERNED ABOUT MARK IS WITH THE, UH, THE PUNCH OUT OR BACKLIT, IT'S GONNA REFLECT OFF THE STONE I WOULD IMAGINE, WHICH WILL AMPLIFY IF YOU HAVE ANY HOLES THAT ARE PATCHED, YOU'RE GONNA SEE DOTS I WOULD IMAGINE AT NIGHTTIME.
AND, AND, AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS PART OF WHY WE WANTED TO DO DO IT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT IN ONE STEP.
WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY REMOVE EVERYTHING, HAVE EVERYTHING PATCHED, PAINTED, SEALED SO THAT IT HAS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO.
HOW PATCH, HOW COULD YOU PAINT OVER STONE? UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADD MORE.
SO RATHER THAN JUST A, UM, SILICONE BASED CAULK, THEY'LL ALL BE PATCHED AND PAINTED PROFESSIONALLY.
I THINK THERE WAS AN INTEREST FROM THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES IN, IN THAT COLOR ADJUSTING AS WELL AS TYING INTO THIS MADE SENSE TO DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH ALL THOSE HOLES AT THE SAME TIME.
I'VE DONE IT ONCE, UH, ON ONE OF, UH, MY PROJECTS WITH ARIS CRAFT STONE.
BUT WE HAD TO BASICALLY GET AN ARTIST OUT THERE FOR, IT WAS A MUCH LARGER SCALE, BUT WE HAD TO GET AN ARTIST.
IT WAS VERY METICULOUS AND UM, AND IT WAS A SPECIAL KIND OF STAIN THAT ALLOWED VAPOR TO PASS THROUGH THE STONE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO CAN THOSE INDIVIDUAL STONES THAT ARE BEING PATCHED, CAN THOSE JUST GET REPLACED THOSE TILES IF THEY WORK, CAN THOSE JUST GET REPLACED INSTEAD OF PATCHED OR PAINTED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YOU'LL NEVER MATCH.
I THINK HE, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN PAINTING AND EVERYTHING.
IF THERE'S A, THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT, BUT I'M TELLING YOU IT, IT AIN'T EASY
WELL THEN, THEN YOU LOOK AT THIS ELEVATION AND IF YOU'RE PAINTING WHITE, THEN YOU GOTTA PAINT THE CANOPY COLUMNS WHITE.
I, IT, I HAD THOUGHT THAT THE INTENT WAS THAT THEY WOULD TAKE THE CENTER SECTION ABOVE THE GLASS AND THEY WOULD USE THIS VERY, VERY SPECIAL STAIN COATING TO DO A PERFECT MATCH.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, VERY EASY TO DO IT POORLY.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT A BACKER PANEL IS PROBABLY THE BEST SOLUTION EITHER.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT A CONVEX AND A CONCAVE SURFACE.
AND IF YOU PUT THAT WOULD, I WOULD THINK BE QUITE DIFFICULT TO, TO MATCH THAT SORT OF CURVATURE.
SO YOU PUT A UH, FLAT PIECE UP THERE WITH CURVE BEHIND IT, YOU'RE GONNA, THAT IT'S GONNA REALLY ACCENTUATE, THERE'S SOMETHING UP THERE THAT'S NOT THE BUILDING, IN MY OPINION.
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NOW IT, IT MAY BE SUCH THAT YOU COULD, THAT THE BACKER PANEL IS THIN ENOUGH THAT IT, YOU KNOW, COULD, COULD BOW ENOUGH WITH ENOUGH SECURITY OR, OR DO YOU DO IT IN A, A STUCCO MATERIAL THAT A LATH OR SOMETHING THAT THEN THAT HE I DON'T, I I'M TRYING TO, I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA BE REPAINTING.I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE REPAINTING EITHER.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO IS, UM, I I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY THE, THE CHURCH IS VERY SENSITIVE TO TO THAT AS WELL.
AND THEY WANT IT TO LOOK RIGHT.
SO I, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY APPROVE THE SIGN AND WE'LL SEE WHAT IT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU KNOW, IT, IT LOOKS GOOD AFTERWARDS,
WILL, WILL THIS, CAN THE CITY GO OUT AND INSPECT ONCE THE REPAIRS ARE DONE? WE COULD, WE COULD TRY TO COORDINATE THAT ONCE THE REPAIRS ARE DONE BEFORE THE SIGN GOES UP.
I MEAN MARK WILL OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHEN THE SIGN'S GONNA GO UP.
SO YOU KNOW, HIM AND I CAN MEET THERE AND, AND YEAH.
AND TAKE A LOOK AT AT WHAT IS THE, THE ONLY CAVEAT'S GONNA BE WHEN YOU PUT LIGHTING THERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE QUITE AS MUCH AS WHAT YOU WERE KIND OF THINKING.
'CAUSE THAT LIGHT'S ONLY INCH AND A HALF OFF THE WALL.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE ILLUMINATING THE WHOLE THING WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE THESE SPOTS WHERE THEY'RE NOT.
IT'S THE LIGHT'S REALLY ONLY, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, TWO, THREE INCHES AROUND THE SIZE OF THE LETTER.
IT'S MORE LIKELY DURING THE DAY THAT YOU WOULD SEE PULL UP PULL.
THERE'S, YOU GOT IT ON GOOGLE STREET VIEW.
CAN YOU PULL UP, SO WE'RE OVERHEAD.
I WANNA SEE HOW FAR BACK FROM THE STREET THIS SITS AND ALL THAT SORT OF, THAT'S ON THE INSIDE.
THIS IS THE STREET THAT'S COMING STREET AND, AND MY SO CAN YOU GO OVERHEAD? UH, YEAH, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, I'M GONNA READ SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE OPTION B SIGN.
IT SAYS LOGO MOUNTED TO CONTOUR HAND, PAINTED TO MATCH WALL.
THE CONTOUR IS THE OUTLINE, NOT THE, THE FLATNESS OF THE PANEL.
SO IT'S NOT CONCURRENT TO THE WALL, IT'S JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.
AND SO THERE'S ONE SIGN ON THAT CURVED WALL.
THIS IS MAIN STREET, HIGHWAY NINE.
SO WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S 60 FEET, FOUR 80.
ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SOMEWHAT FEET HERE.
I'LL MAKE FOR YOU GO FROM, IT'S, YOU GOTTA GO FURTHER UP, UP FRONT 80, CLOSER TO THE STREET.
SO WE'RE BASICALLY A HUNDRED FEET, A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE STREET THERE.
HOW ABOUT THE OTHER ONE? AND THAT ONE'S WAY FAR.
I MEAN I THINK WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS ON THE
I MEAN IT'S, THE DISTANCE IS SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE STANDING RIGHT UP NEXT TO IT FROM THE, FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY POINT OF VIEW.
IT'S UP TO THE CHURCH, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT I'M NOT NEARLY, I'M WITH YOU IF, YOU KNOW, LET 'EM DO WHAT THEY CAN DO.
LET 'EM DO THEIR THING AND THEN LOOK AT IT.
WE'VE CONDITIONED IT ON THE REPAIRS NOT BEING VISIBLE APPROVAL SPOTS IS WE DID THAT SPLIT EACH.
BUT YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S FOUR STUDS FOR EVERY LETTER IN ALPHARETTA METHODIST.
THAT'S A LOT OF LITTLE POLKADOTS I HEARD.
BUT IT'S, IT'S A HUNDRED FEET.
AND SO IF IF THEY CAN PATCH IT AND THEY CAN DETAIL IT OUT ENOUGH TO WHERE IT'S THEY BE SATISFIED.
THINK IF IT WERE ON THE MONUMENT SIGN, IT'D BE ONE THING.
MAYBE, YOU KNOW THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
PEDESTRIAN LEVEL OR IF IT WERE DOWN WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF THE CHURCH WERE AT 30 FOOT OFF THE STREET OR SOMETHING WHERE, BUT YEAH, I, I THINK THE BEST SOLUTION WOULD BE TO DO A, AN INTERIM INSPECTION OF IT, WILL GET THE CHURCH WITH IT AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE HAPPY WITH IT.
CITY'S HAPPY WITH IT, MARK'S CONFIDENT WITH IT AND SIGN UP IN, IN DEFENSE OF THE CHURCH ITSELF.
I, I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, CAULKING HOLES WITH PAINT.
IT'S LIKE A SPECIALTY SUBCONTRACTOR THAT'S GONNA DO KIND OF MORE OF A, A CEMENTITIOUS PATCH AND THEN A COATING THAT REALLY KIND OF MATCHES MARK.
ARE YOU DOING THAT OR IS WE'RE NOT.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE HIRING A DIFFERENT COMPANY.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT TO THEM SO THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT.
QUESTION OF, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THE, THE QUESTION OR CONCERN AROUND THE USE OF PAINT ON THAT FACADE OR THE COLOR OF THE PAINT? I THINK IT'S JUST MATCHING BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GET, IF YOU JUST USE LIKE AN ACRYLIC OR AN OIL BASED PAINT, IT COULD LEAVE A SHEEN THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT.
IT USE A MASON BASED PAINT FOR SURE.
THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT UNDERSTAND SPECIALTY PRODUCTS SPECIAL PRIMER
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IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE DONE.AND THAT'S THEIR FULL INTENTION.
I THINK THE INTENTION WAS MORE, AND PART OF THE QUESTION, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE STEEPLE AND YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THE TRIM ON THE EXISTING BUILDING, IT IS MORE IN, IN LINE WITH THAT WHITE VERSUS THE CREAM THAT'S ON THERE TODAY.
SO I, I KNOW THAT PART OF THEIR QUESTION CONCERN IS GONNA BE, IS THERE A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT COLOR DONE? RIGHT.
I THINK IT HAS A DOMINO EFFECT ON PAINTING THE CREAM AREAS WHITE NOW.
MM-HMM
SO THIS, I BELIEVE THEY'RE JUST THOSE THREE, THEY'RE THE PILLARS.
THE WALL ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK.
'CAUSE IT WAS ALL PART OF JUST THE ADDITION A FEW YEARS BACK, WHICH IS A SUBSTANTIAL PIECE OF THE CHURCH THEN.
AND IT CHANGES IT FROM, AGAIN, FROM A CREAM TO NOW A WHITE.
SO THEY'RE PAINTING THE WHOLE THING.
NO, NO, NO, JUST, JUST THE CREAM AREAS.
NOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING THE WHOLE, SO ALL THE STONE.
SO WE'RE DENYING PAINTING THE WHOLE FACADE TO PATCHING THOSE HOLES AND PAINTING OR TITI, WHATEVER.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE LIMITED BY WHAT KIND OF A MASONRY MATCH HOLES YOU'RE TRYING TO MATCH YOU CAN PUT IN THERE WE'RE, WHICH IS WE'RE DENYING PAINTING THE WHOLE FACADE IF I'M CORRECT.
WELL, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE PAINTING WAS THAT ON THE NOW WE DO, BUT ARE WE NOW DENYING THE PAINTING OF THE WHOLE FACADE? WAS THAT ON THE APPLICATION FOR PAINTING? I DUNNO IF THEY'RE GONNA BE COATING THE ENTIRE STONE AREA, THE EXISTING STONE AREA, THEN IT MAKES ME, IT IT, WHETHER WE FEEL THAT PAINTING MASONRY OR STONE IS GOOD OR BAD FROM A MATCHING PERSPECTIVE, IT MAKES ME FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE TO BE ABLE TO GET RID OF THOSE, THOSE HOLES.
UM, I MEAN IT'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN, YEAH.
I, I THOUGHT THEY WERE JUST GONNA BE PAINTING AN AREA THAT INNER AREA BETWEEN THE COLUMNS AND TRYING TO MATCH IT UP.
BUT IF THEY'RE DOING ALL OF THAT STONE FROM A QUALITY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IS FINE.
SO I MEAN I THINK THIS PICTURE IS PROBABLY A DECENT REPRESENTATIVE WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.
IF YOU LOOK AT, WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO ME? SO, OKAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, AND I WISH I COULD GET RID OF THAT.
YOU LOOK AT THE SORT OF STONE OR EFIS PIECES, YOU KNOW, IN THESE CORNERS AND THINGS THERE, THERE'S A, THERE A REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE IT FEELS LIKE.
NOW THIS OBVIOUSLY ISN'T A LIVE PICTURE, BUT IT FEELS LIKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN COLOR.
AND I THINK MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THERE I DIDN'T REALIZE IT, UM, THAT THAT MAY BE MY ISSUE THAT I DIDN'T SEE THAT.
UM, BUT SO THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING ALL OF THAT STONE IN THAT OFF WHITE OR THAT WHITE COLOR? YES.
JUST THAT CREAM PORTION THAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE.
WHICH ARE THOSE COLUMNS AND THE WINDOWS.
AND THE CURVED PORTION OF THAT WALL ON THE FRONT.
THERE'S NO OTHER, SO ON THAT STONE LIKE THAT, THAT FACADE SPECIFICALLY, IT HAS MORE OF A NORTHERN EXPOSURE I THINK.
IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE COLOR, IT'S THE CHURCH'S ISSUE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MAINTENANCE OF IT OR THE HOWEVER THAT IT, IT, THAT'S THEIR ISSUE TO, TO KEEP UP ON, YOU KNOW.
I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE REPAIR NOW BUT, UM, I, I FEEL BETTER THAT IT'S ALL GONNA BE ONE THING.
'CAUSE YOU PATCH IT UP, PAINT THE WHOLE THING.
UM, THE, THE OTHER THING TO BE CONCERNED WITH THAT LIGHT COLOR IS, IS THAT ON THIS, NOR THIS IS A NORTHERN EXPOSURE PART OF IT, SORT OF.
UM, AND IT'S WAY MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO LIKE MICROBIAL GROWTH AND ALGAE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S A LOT MORE VISIBLE WHEN YOU USE A LIGHT COLOR.
BUT IF IT'S A MAINTENANCE THING, THAT'S UP TO THEM.
BUT I FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT IN GENERAL.
I HAVE A GRAPHIC QUESTION YOU YOU'RE GIVING US ON THE FIRST PANEL FOR FIRST DRAWING PANEL OPTION B THREE, WHICH IS ON THE MAIN STREET SIDE AND OPTION B TWO, WHICH IS CUMING STREET.
ARE, ARE WE CONSIDERING HOW THAT LOGO IS USED WITH THE LETTERING ON EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS? OR IS THIS YOUR SET PROPOSAL THAT IS A SET PROPOSED? IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE.
THEY'RE NOT THE SAME CURRENTLY ON THE BUILDING.
BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE SIZE, THE DISTANCE THEY'RE VIEWED FROM, IT MAKES IT VERY HARD TO DO THE MAIN STREET VERSION ON THE COMING STREET.
IT WOULD BE SO SMALL IT WOULDN'T BE READABLE.
I, MY COMMENT ALSO RELATES TO AN, AN APPRECIATION FOR THE WAY THAT YOU ARE ASYMMETRICALLY SETTING THAT MAIN STREET PANEL BETWEEN THE PALES AND BECAUSE IT IS ASYMMETRICAL, THERE'S MOVE, THERE'S VISUAL MOVEMENT THERE, UHHUH, WHICH IS GOOD.
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UM, AND IT, IT'S, IT'S ON THE OTHER, ON THE COMING STREET SIDE, IT'S STATIC, BUT UH, THEY CERTAINLY BOTH WORK.IT'S A MUCH TIGHTER AND BECAUSE OF OF, BECAUSE IT'S GOING IN INSTEAD OF PULLING OUT.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT ON THE COMING SIDE SURE.
WE THINK THIS WILL, UM, WOULD LOOK MUCH BETTER THAN ANY OTHER VARIATION.
SO I I I AGREE THAT PAINTING IT WILL HELP TO HIDE THE HOLES AND ALL THAT.
I'M JUST A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT EVERYTHING BEING WHITE.
I I LIKE THAT THERE'S SOME CONTRAST TODAY BETWEEN THE PARAPET CAP AND THE FACADE.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE COLUMNS, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME CONTRAST THERE BETWEEN THE COLUMNS AND THE REST OF THE TRIM.
I'M JUST KINDA THINKING IF EVERYTHING IS WHITE, I I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK AS GOOD.
PERSONALLY, BASE OF THE COLUMNS WOULD REMAIN WITH BRICK AT THE BASE.
THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING CHANGING THE COLOR OF ANYTHING.
IF WE BUT THE GREEN COLUMNS UP AT THE, PUT THE COLUMNS BACK UP, WE CAN SEE THERE'S OTHER WHITE TRIM THERE.
WHEREAS IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEIGE IN THE MIDDLE, BUT THEN IT'S, THERE'S A WHITE CAP AND I THINK THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WHITE BASE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A WHITEWASH.
ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE NEW LOGO WHERE YOU'RE USING THAT GOTHIC WINDOW FORM.
UHHUH WAS THERE DISCUSSION ABOUT KEEPING THE RED SOMEWHERE IN THERE AS A, AS AN ACCENT? KEEPING THE RED.
THEY'VE ACTUALLY MOVED FROM THE RED COMPLETELY.
AND THEIR, THEIR NEW BRAND GUIDE SLIDES ARE GOLD AND BLUE.
UM, GOLD DIDN'T WORK WELL HERE.
SO WE, WE WORK WITH THEM TO SIMPLIFY IT TO JUST BE A SINGLE COLOR.
UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT, AT THE REST OF WHAT YOU ONLINE OR IF YOU, UM, ANY OTHER BRANDING THEY HAVE, YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE THE WINDOWS IN GOLD.
I'LL SAY THIS, I, THE, THE SIGNS LOOK VERY NICE.
THE NEW SIGNS LOOK VERY NICE AND ELEGANT.
UM, I CAN'T SUPPORT PAINTING ALL THE CREAM COLOR STONE AREAS TO WHITE JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK WE CAN PATCH THOSE HOLES TO SOME EXTENT.
I KNOW THAT'S A NEWER ADDITION.
SO MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO, TO GET SOMETHING THAT'S VERY CLOSE IN COLOR.
MAYBE WE'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE STREET THAT WILL, THEY'LL DISAPPEAR.
I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THOSE ARE.
IF THEY'RE THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH OR AN INCH AND DIAMETER.
THE, THE, THE PENETRATIONS THAT HAPPEN, YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA VARY HALF TO THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH.
SOME OF THEM BASED ON YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME CRACKING AND STUFF THAT'S GONNA COME OFF.
IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE BRICKS THAT ARE DONE AROUND HERE, YOU PROBABLY CAN SEE THE GHOSTING OF HOLES FROM THE PAST EVEN WHEN DONE RIGHT.
BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY GET SO CLOSE WHEN YOU'RE COLOR MATCHING THAT MORTAR.
AGAIN, EVEN DONE WITH THE RIGHT PROFESSIONAL, UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PERFECT MATCH.
NOW THAT SAID, THERE'S ENOUGH DISTANCE, IT'S MORE VISIBLE DURING THE DAY THAN TYPICALLY AT NIGHT WITH THIS TYPE OF HALO ILLUMINATION.
UM, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PROMINENT.
UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT.
I DON'T WANNA WHERE PAINT WE COULD PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATE IT.
'CAUSE WE CAN GET A, A PRETTY SMOOTH SURFACE AND THEN GET REPAINTED ON TOP OF IT.
I KNOW, UM, ALSO, UH, BRETT, YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE GONNA, THEY WANT TO DO THE MONUMENT SIDE TOO.
SO LET'S LET US PONDER THE BUILDING SIGNAGE WHILE WE LOOK AT THE MONUMENT SIGN THIS MORNING.
ALL RIGHT, SO CARRYING THAT SAME LOOK AND FEEL WAS, UM, WHAT WE WORK WITH THE, THE CHURCH TO IDENTIFY A CODE COMPLIANT OPTION THAT WAS SIMPLE, CLASSIC.
UM, WE TRY TO ADD SOME VARIATION.
UM, SO WE TRIED TO CAPITALIZE ON KIND OF THAT HEIGHT AND KEEP IT SIMPLE.
WE WANTED TO CARRY THE BRICK BASE AGAIN TO COMPLIMENT THE BUILDING.
WE WOULD CARRY THAT SAME COLOR CABINET FROM THE BUILDING.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION IF WE, IF WE DON'T PAINT IT, THIS BECOMES MORE OF THAT CREAM OR CAN IT BE WHITE AND BE DIFFERENT.
UM, SO I THINK THERE'S LESS OF A SYNERGY.
UH, THE THIS ON THE COMING STREET, THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU WOULD SEE BECAUSE IT'S A GRADE LEVEL, BECAUSE OF THE STREET EDITION THERE IS A DROP.
SO THERE WE WOULD WANNA BRING IT TO THE STREET LEVEL, WHICH IS A COUPLE FEET ADJUSTMENT TO COME UP FROM THE STREET.
BUT BELOW GRADE FROM THAT DROP WHERE THE SIDEWALK HAS AND THE UH, WALLS HAVE BEEN ADDED, THERE'D BE A SLIGHT OF ADJUSTMENT OF A COUPLE FEET IN ORDER TO, IN
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ORDER TO KEEP IT VISIBLE AT SIGHTLINE.SO WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THESE SIGNS ARE GOING.
CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE WE DO? SO THE, UM, CAN YOU A PICTURE ON THE LAST ONE PAGE PICTURE, SHOW US PLEASE TO THE LEFT.
TO ORIENT YOU AT THE CHURCH RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH IS, IS MAIN STREET, ACROSS TOP IS COMING.
SO THE NUMBER ONE AT THE TOP WOULD BE BETWEEN THE TWO ENTRANCES.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHERE THEIR TEMPORARY SIGN IS TODAY.
UM, THERE'S AN OPEN MEDIAN BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT, UM, THAT THERE'S JUST ENOUGH SPACE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE A SIGHT LINE FAR ENOUGH FROM THE ENTRANCES THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE, UM, CREATE A DISTRACTION.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER.
YOU CAN SEE THE PLACEMENT, WHICH WILL BE SET BACK CLOSE, UH, IN ORDER TO BE FIVE FOOT BACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY IS GONNA BE CLOSER TO THAT PARKING SPACE.
AND THEN ON THE MAIN STREET SIDE, UM, NUMBER TWO INDICATES THE SAME PLACEMENT AS THE PREVIOUS SIGN THAT WAS REMOVED FOR THE ROAD WIDENING.
UM, IT'LL BE PUSHED BACK BY FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WILL PUT IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PORTICO.
UH, THAT HAS THE BELL, UH, WHICH WE THINK HAS THE KIND OF BEST PLACEMENT BASED ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE IS A DRIVEWAY IN THERE, BUT THERE'S NO GOOD PLACEMENT OPTION THERE.
AND THEN OPTION THREE IS THE, UM, CURRENT STUDENT CENTER.
UM, AGAIN CONSISTENT WITH WHERE THE TEMPORARY SIGN IS, IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO WHERE THE OLD EXIT WAS AND WHERE THE, I GUESS, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING IS.
SO THREE ALL PERPENDICULAR TO THE ROAD.
SO THREE MONUMENT SIGNS, ONE ON C*M STREET AND TWO ON THE UH, ON NORTH MAIN STREET? CORRECT.
AND YOU'RE PROPOSING THE SAME SIGN FOR ALL THREE LOCATIONS? CORRECT.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WOULD BE, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S MULTIPLE LOTS THERE.
THERE'S A DIFFERENT ADDRESS FOR THE STUDENT CENTER THAN THERE IS FOR THE ACTUAL CHURCH.
THAT'S THE CHANGE IN THE NUMBERS THEN? CORRECT? YEAH.
IT USED TO BE THE, UH, LOUIE, LOUIE HOLMES.
YEAH, IT MEANS YOU'VE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO YEAH.
UH, ENLIGHTEN ME ABOUT THE COMMENT ON THE ADDRESS BECAUSE IS THE ADDRESS CHANGE IS 59 THE STUDENT CENTER? IT IS.
ALRIGHT, BECAUSE THE ADDRESS HAS ALWAYS BEEN 69.
AND THEN GO BACK, LET'S GO BACK TO THE MONUMENT SIGN SO THAT, UH, FOR INSTANCE, THE BASE OF THE SIGN IS THAT THAT'S BRICK TO MATCH THE BUILDING.
SO THAT'D BE MORE OF A, A NATURAL WHICH BRICK COLOR, WHICH BUILDING IS IT MATCHING? UM, THE VOLUME BRANCH CHAPEL SIDE OR THE NEWER SIDE? THIS, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO WE CAN VALIDATE WHICH ONE WOULD MAKE MOST SENSE.
WE HADN'T REALLY GOTTEN THAT FAR INTO IT, BUT WE KNOW IT WOULD BE MORE OF A NATURAL BRICK.
I WOULD CERTAINLY ON THE MAIN STREET ONE CLOSER SINCE THE UH, PORTICO IS RIGHT ON TOP OF IT.
UM, PROBABLY FOR BOTH, BOTH OF THOSE.
UM, THE ONE ON, ON C*****G STREET WOULD BE THE BIGGER QUESTION.
WHICH ONE MAKES MOST SENSE? 'CAUSE I THINK BOTH ARE PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL SIZE.
I THINK SIGNAGE, THE MONUMENT SIZE LOOK VERY NICE, VERY APPROPRIATE.
GOT SOME GOOD CHARACTER AND SHAPE TO IT.
AND UM, JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT SOME, UH, GROUND COVER AROUND THE BASE OF THE SIGN.
UM, HOW TALL, UM, THE SIGNS ON THE MONUMENT SIGNS ON UM, HIGHWAY NINE, WOULD THOSE BE A LITTLE TALLER? UM, YOU INDICATED THERE WAS GONNA BE A GREEN CHANGE.
NO, BUT THE PACE, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S A DROP OF TWO TO FOUR FEET, THERE WOULD BE A PULLED UP IN ORDER TO BRING THAT AT SIGHT LINE.
OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING DOWN AND YOU WON'T SEE THE TEXT.
'CAUSE IT, IT DROPS SUBSTANTIALLY.
AND THEN IS THAT, BUT THAT BASE ISN'T FULLY VISIBLE FROM MAIN STREET, JUST FROM THE CHURCH SIDE.
I GUESS I'M HAVING TROUBLE VISUALIZING.
IT'LL BE, I MEAN, IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK, YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT.
YOU'LL, WHEN YOU'RE WALKING ALONG THERE, YOU'S SEE IT'S NOT WALL.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT DOT HAS FINALIZED THAT GRADE OFF OF THE SIDEWALK YET.
I DON'T THINK, THINK THEY HAVE, I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK IN, THEY'LL PUT THEIR OWN WALL IN IT SO THAT YEAH.
LET'S HOPE THEY DON'T DO THAT.
I SO YEAH, IT'S, I THINK WE, IF YOU'RE GONNA THINK ABOUT LANDSCAPING MAYBE I THINK WE TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPING, BUT MAYBE YES.
SEE WHAT THAT BASE IS GONNA BE.
MAYBE BEFORE WE MAKE A CALL ON A
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SPECIFIC RIGHT.IF THE BASE IS TALLER AND IT'S VISIBLE FROM MAIN STREET, I THINK WE NEED, UM, SOMETHING A LITTLE TALLER THAN JUST MAYBE A GROUND COVER.
IN LANDSCAPE WITH A LITTLE, I GOT A FEELING THAT BASE, IF YOU STOOD AT THE BASE, THE ONE ON MAIN STREET CLOSEST TO THE PORTICO IS PROBABLY GONNA BE FOUR OR FIVE FEET RIGHT BEFORE IT GETS TO THE SIGN.
IT'LL, IT'LL BE FOUR OR FIVE FEET OF BRICK.
IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD BIT, I BELIEVE, BUT RELATIVELY EASY TO CONCEAL WITH LANDSCAPING.
NOT THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A A YES.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN GET, LEMME GO BACK TO THE STREET VIEW, SEE IF WE CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT RELATED TO THE PLANTING FOR THE SIGN.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE GOOD NOT TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS SO BIG THAT IT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THE SIGN.
WE DON'T WANT THE SIGN AND THE PLANTING TO COMPETE.
WE WANT THE PLANTING TO BE SIMPLIFIED.
JUST BRING THE BASE UP A LITTLE BIT COMPLIMENTARY.
BRETT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A, YOU KIND OF SEE FROM THE BLACK FENCING GIVES YOU KIND OF AN, A ROUGH INDICATION OF KIND OF THE DROP BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY SEE ABOUT SIX INCHES OF IT.
YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY MORE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
IS THAT, ISN'T THAT ABOUT TWO FOOT TALL? USUALLY THE BLACK S SOT FENCE TWO TO THREE.
DEPENDS ON HOW DEEP THEY BURY IT.
AND THEN TO COME BASICALLY 18 INCHES OR SO OF BASE ABOVE THIS SIDEWALK, IT IT'S GONNA, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE FOUR FEET.
I'VE GOT A PICTURE OF THE SIDEWALK THAT I TOOK LIKE WITH THE SIGN, IF YOU YEAH, IF YOU WANNA SHOW WITH THE TEMPORARY SIGN, IS IT GONNA GO WHERE THE TEMPORARY SIGN IS? NO.
THAT THE TEMPORARY SIGN IS ACTUALLY, UM, BASED ON THE SETBACK, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN THAT SAME PLACE DROPS OFF THERE.
I THINK OLD SIGN SAT RIGHT HERE.
SO IS THAT ABOUT WHERE IT'S GONNA GO DO YOU THINK? NO, IT DIDN'T SIT RIGHT THERE.
CLOSER TO SORT OF RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, CLOSER TO THE REALLY RIGHT, RIGHT.
IT WAS THERE, IT WAS TO THE RIGHT.
I WAS THINKING IT WAS OVER BY THE BRICK.
IT'S RIGHT IN THAT ISLAND RIGHT THERE.
IT'S PRETTY, IT'S KIND OF RIGHT THERE TO THE NOW THAT'S SEE THE DRIVE NOW THE DOT IS, THERE'S A FUNNY, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE LAST PAGE OF MY DECK.
UM, BUT ALSO IT FEELS LIKE BETTER PLACEMENT.
KIND OF WHERE THAT OLD MODEL, THAT'S THE ONE THAT I WAS THINKING.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING IT GOES.
NOW KEEP IN MIND THOUGH, THAT THE SIDEWALK NOW IS EIGHT FEET WIDE.
IT'S, THERE'S A THREE FOOT BEAUTY STRIP AGAINST THE CURB.
AND THEN SO IT, THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF ROOM WITH THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OKAY.
FOR THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO BE THERE AND STILL HAVE THE WALKWAY IN FRONT OF THE PORTICO.
IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, BREATHING ROOM AND IT'S A SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER SIGN.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE MONUMENT SIGN? ALL RIGHT.
BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING HERE, LET ME ASK, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THE MONUMENT SIGNS.
SO ARE WE LETTING STAFF IS APPROVING LANDSCAPING ONCE DOT FINISHES THEIR STUFF IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANNA PLANT THERE? OR IS IT COMING BACK WITH LANDSCAPING FOR US TO LOOK AT ONCE? HOW ARE WE HANDLING THAT? I, I MEAN THAT'S REALLY UP TO YOU GUYS.
I DON'T REALLY SEE A NEED FOR IT TO COME BACK FOR LANDSCAPING JUST AROUND THE BASE.
IF THEY WERE CHANGING THE MAIN STREET LANDSCAPING MAYBE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST AROUND THE SIGN.
I THINK I, I THINK I, SO I, I THINK ONE THING THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD BE COGNIZANT OF, AT LEAST ON THE MAIN STREET ELEVATION IS THE BASE OF THE SIGN IS NOT GONNA LOOK, I DON'T THINK'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THIS.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE JUST A FIVE FOOT HIGH VERSION OF THAT.
IT'S GONNA BE ANGLED TO DEAL WITH THE SLOPE.
IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, POTENTIALLY.
AND IT'S A PRETTY, IT'S A, IT'S LIKE A ONE-TO-ONE SLOPE.
SO JUST, THAT'S WHY WE LOOKED AT THE SILT FENCE BEHIND IT.
MARK IS YOUR INTENT TO, WHEN DO YOU PLAN TO INSTALL THESE SIGNS? THE MONUMENT SIGNS INTENT WAS TO DO THE BUILDING FIRST.
THAT WAS THE URGENCY 'CAUSE OF 'CAUSE OF THE EXISTING SIGNS AND THE VISIBILITY.
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THIS AND THEN WAIT UNTIL DOT FINISHES THEIR WORK BEFORE YOU PUT IN THE MONUMENT SIGNS OR, UM, I I, YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO DO THAT ON THE COMING STREET SIDE, BUT MAYBE ON THE CORRECT.THERE'S REALLY, I THINK JUST THE ONE THAT'S PROBABLY IN QUESTION AND THAT'S THE ONE IN FRONT OF THE PORTICO.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE ISSUE.
AND, AND COMING OUTTA THIS MEETING, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO VALIDATE.
IF WE WERE GOOD, WE WERE GONNA GO OUT AND, AND FINALIZE THOSE PLANS FOR ELEVATION, SEE HOW FAR AWAY THEY WERE, UM, AND THEN DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, HOW FAST THEY WANNA DO IT BEHIND THE BUILDING.
BUT THE BUILDING WAS, WAS THE PRIORITY.
THEY JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE REVIEWED THIS WITH A BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WORK TOGETHER.
UM, AND UH, SINCE THAT JUST, THAT JUST GOT REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, WE WANTED TO GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS.
YEAH, I, I GUESS IF I COULD MAKE A SUGGESTION, I, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN A POSITION TO PROBABLY APPROVE THE SIGNS TODAY.
I'M NOT SO COMFORTABLE ON THE PAINTING.
UM, IT, IT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR TO ME WHAT PARTS OF THE BUILDING ARE CURRENTLY BEIGE.
'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT STREET VIEW AND IT, IT, IT FEELS LIKE EVEN ABOVE THE COLUMNS, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT FRAMEWORK AND THE UNDERSIDE MIGHT ALSO BE BEIGE.
UM, SO I, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO SEE A CLEAR IDENTIFICATION OF WHAT AREAS OF THE BUILDING ARE GONNA BE PAINTED.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE MAINTAIN SOME AMOUNT OF CONTRAST TO THE WHITE TRIM THAT'S ON THE BUILDING TODAY.
I THINK THAT MAKES IT VISUALLY MORE INTERESTING THAN EVERYTHING BEING WHITE.
SO I'M NOT PERSONALLY READY TO APPROVE THE PAINTING COMPONENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, I THINK THAT'S FAIR BECAUSE WE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD HAVE LIKE A PICTURE SAY WE'RE PAINTING THIS.
I'M LIKE, CLARIFICATION ON THAT IS ALWAYS KEY TO KNOW.
I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE PROBABLY THAN THE REST OF YOU GUYS.
UM, BECAUSE I, I THINK YOU, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, UM, AS A ENTIRE BUILDING.
THERE'S A LOT OF MASONRY ON IT AND THIS IS A TRANSITIONAL SECTION OF IT.
AND I KIND OF FEEL LIKE, UM, IF WE DON'T APPROVE A SOLUTION, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION TO RECOMMEND.
AND I DON'T KNOW WITH THE PATCHING AND STUFF, IF THERE'S A BETTER SOLUTION, UH, THAN USING A SPECIAL COATING TO, TO, TO PAINT IT.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THE SIGNAGE THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED ALONE IS, IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT ON THE, THE CHURCH.
I DIDN'T CARE FOR THE OLD SIGN.
UM, AND, UH, THE CONTRAST THING DOESN'T BOTHER ME QUITE AS MUCH BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MASONRY SURROUNDING IT.
AND, UH, AND UH, THE CREAM I FEEL IS ALSO KIND OF MAYBE A LITTLE DATED.
I, I KNOW THAT NOBODY LIKES ON THIS BOARD REALLY LIKES WHITEWASHING THAT MUCH.
AND I GET CONCERNS ABOUT ALGAE AND THINGS LIKE THAT GROWING ON IT.
BUT, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT MIGHT BE THE BEST SOLUTION AVAILABLE FOR THE CHURCH TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE THIS, UM, WITHOUT IT LOOKING LIKE A PATCH JOB.
I THINK, UM, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S IN OUR, UM, PURVIEW TO SOLVE EVERYTHING HERE, I THINK, UM, I THINK YES, UH, BUT IT'S, IT GIVES US GOOD THOUGHT.
SO I THINK THE, THE APPLICANT NOW KNOWS WHAT, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, SO WE CAN TAKE IT BACK TO THE TRUSTEES OR WHOEVER THEY NEED TO.
AND MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER SOLUTION WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT TODAY.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T THINK WE OBJECT TO PAINTING IT, IT'S JUST I WOULD LIKE MORE CLARITY ON EXACTLY WHAT'S GETTING PAINTED AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, WELL, I'M HAPPY TO GET THAT BACK TO YOU TODAY.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, WE MAY HAVE QUICK AND EASY.
I CAN PROVIDE THAT INSIGHT, VISIT THE SITE, GIVE YOU PICTURES AND, UM, ISOLATE EXACTLY WHAT IS IN THE PROPOSAL, IF THAT HELPS.
I, I THINK IT HELPS THE BOARD, UM, PAINTING CONTRACTORS DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT AT PUTTING THAT THING TOGETHER.
'CAUSE THEY'VE GOTTA GET IT APPROVED FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA SHOW 'EM IMAGES AND STUFF.
SO I I I THINK IF IF THE YOU'RE GOING TO DEFER IT, THEN I THINK WE, WE ASK THAT WE SEE A MORE, UM, WELL UNDERSTAND A BETTER, CLEARER PICTURE ON WHAT THEY'RE YES.
HOW MUCH THEY'RE PAINTING, WHAT THEY'RE PAINTING, WHERE THEY'RE PAINTING.
WHICH PIECES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, THIS TRIM IS GONNA BE THIS COLOR THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING.
UM, MORE LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE PAINTING THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE SIGN PART SHOWS IT, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE 'EM
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ENOUGH DIRECTION AS TO ALL WHAT PIECES.SO I, I THINK A PAINTING, THE PAINTING CONTRACTORS PROBABLY HAVE THAT BETTER.
OR MAYBE THE CHURCH, SOMEBODY IN THE CHURCH CAN, CAN LAY THAT OUT AS WELL TOO.
AND THEY DO HAVE THE OPTION AT THIS POINT.
IF THEY, IF THEY DEFER IT, THEY CAN, UM, DEFER IT TO NEXT MONTH.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA ASK THAT PORTION THAT QUESTION, NOW THAT WE KNOW THE NEW KIND OF WAY TO DEFER THINGS, IF WE SAY IT'S GONNA BE DEFERRED TO THE NEXT SPECIFIC DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING, THEY CAN COME BACK THEN IF THEY'RE READY.
THEY COULD, IF THEY'RE IN OC ON OCTOBER 16TH, AND IF THEY'RE NOT READY, WE WOULD HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE, THEN WE WOULD RE SO, SO I WOULD TALK TO THEM IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS BEFORE WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE THE NOVEMBER MEETING.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE READY FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING THEN.
ADVERTISING FOR THE NOVEMBER MEETING.
I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY CLOSE ENOUGH, BUT THEY'LL BE READY FOR OCTOBER.
ALRIGHT, SO THE, THE NEXT, THE NEXT DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING WILL BE OCTOBER 16TH, 2026.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AT THIS POINT? DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO WORK ON POSING A, A MOTION FOR US OR MOTIONS IF IT TAKES? ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING D RRB 2 6 0 0 2 3 ALPHARETTA METHODIST MOTION TO APPROVE THE BUILDING AND MONUMENT SIGNS AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, ANY HOLES REMAINING FROM REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING SIGN WILL BE REPAIRED SUCH THAT THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF.
UH, AND FOR CLARITY, WE SET A CEMENTITIOUS PATCH, UH, NOT JUST CAULK AND APPLICANT WILL INSTALL EVERGREEN LANDSCAPING AROUND THE BASE OF THE MONUMENT SIGNS WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF.
NOW ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SO WHERE DOES THE DEFER LOAD COME INTO PLAY? SECOND.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION? ALRIGHT, THERE BEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN MOTION, UH, REGARDING THE SAME APPLICANT TO DEFER THE PAINTING OF THE BUILDING TO THE OCTOBER 16TH MEETING.
SO APPLICANT CONSIDER THE COMMENTS FROM TODAY, UH, WHICH INCLUDE IDENTIFYING CLEARLY EXACTLY WHAT AREAS OF THE BUILDING ARE BEING REPAINTED, UH, AND YOU CONSIDER THE COLOR PERHAPS TO SUGGEST ALTERNATIVES.
I'LL, UH, GIVE US A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.
YOU CAN HEAR THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THE BOARD AS TO WHETHER WHITE IS OKAY OR MAINTAINING SOME CONTRAST.
ALRIGHT, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION THERE BEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU OCTOBER 16TH.
OKAY, UM, LET'S DO THIS, LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS BEFORE WE HEAR FROM OUR NEXT APPLICANT THIS MORNING.
SO GIVE US 10 MINUTES, WE'LL BE BACK HERE AT 10.
OKAY, LET'S, UM, LET'S END OUR RECESS THIS MORNING AND GET STARTED WITH OUR NEXT APPLICATION.
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UM, IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, MAKE SURE IT'S ON TESTING, AND THEN IF YOU'LL INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
I'M THE RETAIL DESIGN MANAGER AT OUR HOME OFFICE IN TYLER, TEXAS.
OUR ADDRESS THERE IS 2 5 8 6 OAK MANOR WAY, AND THAT'S, UH, TYLER, TEXAS 7 5 7 0 3 CORN.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF CAVENDERS.
I'M, UM, ACTUALLY ALSO A LICENSED INTERIOR
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DESIGNER AND HAVE A HEAVY BACKGROUND IN ARCHITECTURE.SO I DO REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, YOU HAVING THE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS NORTH POINT AND THIS REVIEW PROCESS TO MAINTAIN THE BEAUTIFUL AESTHETIC OF YOUR CITY.
I JUST COMING IN THIS MORNING, I WAS SO IMPRESSED BY WALKING AROUND, SO I WANNA SPEND SOME TIME OUT HERE TODAY,
UM, WE ARE, UH, VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE AND PART OF THE GROWTH HERE IN THE CITY AND BE ABLE TO INVEST, UM, IN THAT AS WELL.
AND WE FEEL LIKE IT'S, UH, MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL TO BRING TAX REVENUE AND JOBS TO THE CITY.
AND, UM, SO WE'RE, I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE.
UM, IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT CAVENDERS OR WHO WE ARE, I WANNA TELL YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US.
UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE.
BACK IN 1965, JAMES CAVENDER WAS AN ENTREPRENEUR.
HE STARTED SELLING BOOTS, UM, JUST OUT OF A VAN AND WAS SUCCESSFUL IN THAT.
AND SO ENDED UP PURCHASING, UM, A CATTLE LOAD OF BOOTS FROM A COMPANY GOING OUT OF BUSINESS UP NORTH AND BROUGHT HIM DOWN TO EAST TEXAS.
AND HE AND HIS WIFE OPENED THEIR FIRST WESTERN WEAR RETAIL STORE.
AND, UM, THAT WAS BUILT ON JUST TRUE AUTHENTIC WESTERN VALUES OF HARD WORK AND GRIT, INTEGRITY AND HONESTY, BELIEF IN IT, HAVING A SUPERIOR PRODUCT TO SELL, AND, UM, GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE.
AND WE HAVE JUST SEEN SUSTAIN THE STAMP SUB, UM, SORRY, SUSTAINED SUBSTANTIAL GROWTH SINCE THEN.
UM, HERE IN GEORGIA, WE ACTUALLY ACQUIRED THE HORSE TOWN, UH, STORES BACK IN 2020.
AND, UM, THIS YEAR WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING OUR STAKE IN THE GROUND HERE IN GEORGIA OUT THE ATLANTA AREA.
THIS, UM, STORE IN ALPHARETTA IS OUR THIRD ONE HERE IN THIS, UM, IN THIS VICINITY.
AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER STORE PLAYING FOR NEXT YEAR.
UM, SO 60 YEARS LATER WE'RE STILL FAMILY OWNED.
THE CAVENDER'S THREE SONS, JOE, MIKE, AND CLAY.
YOU'LL SEE, UM, IN THE PICTURE THERE.
THEY MANAGE THE COMPANY TO THIS DAY.
UM, SO WITH CONTINUING WITH MAINTAINING THOSE CORE VALUES, WE REALLY FEEL LIKE PART OF OUR STRONG SUCCESS HAS BEEN WITH, UM, HAVING STRONG BRAND AWARENESS, BRAND IDENTITY AND AWARENESS.
UM, AND AS WE'VE CONTINUED TO HAVE THAT CONTINUITY WITH OUR STORES, WE'VE SEEN EVEN GREATER SUCCESS ACTUALLY THAN THAN PREVIOUS.
UM, WHEN WE COME IN AND DEVELOP A NEW SITE, WE'RE NOT JUST COMING IN WITH A FRESH COAT OF PAINT AND SOME NEW CARPET.
WE REALLY ARE, UM, MAKING AN INVESTMENT INTO THE PROPERTY AND INTO THE SITE.
WE'RE VERY THOUGHTFUL AND INTENTIONAL WITH OUR DESIGN AND INCORPORATING, UM, WESTERN ATTRIBUTES TO MAKE IT A TRUE WESTERN DESTINATION.
UM, FROM THE SMELL OF LEATHER AS YOU FIRST WALK IN THE STORE TO ALL THE DECOR.
WE USE A LOT OF RECLAIMED WOOD IN, IN THE INTERIOR.
UM, AND, UH, MARQUEES WE HAVE, UH, TAXIDERMY AND SOME METAL STEERS AND SOME, UM, THESE PICTURES HERE ARE ACTUALLY FROM THE ALPHARETTA STORE HERE.
I WAS ABLE TO GET THOSE YESTERDAY, SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY STILL IN PROGRESS, BUT, UM,
AND, UM, OF COURSE, BRAND RECOGNITION DOESN'T JUST BEGIN INSIDE THE STORE THAT STARTS ON THE EXTERIOR AND MAKING THAT STRONG FIRST IMPRESSION, UM, TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE BOARD'S APPROVAL, UM, TO UPDATE THE EXTERIOR FACADE WITH, UM, OUR PROPOSED PACKAGE.
UM, THIS WAS A FORMER PARTY CITY AS YOU CAN SEE, THE JURORS BEFORE AND AFTER HERE.
UM, BEFORE THAT IT WAS A ROOMS TO GO AND AS BRETT MENTIONED EARLIER, THE STOREFRONT WAS PAINTED THAT VERY BRIGHT BLUE, UM, THAT WAS A, UM, AT THE, AT THIS POINT HAD BECOME FADED AND DATED AND WAS IN NEED OF A FRESH COAT OF PAINT.
UM, THE BUILDING HAD, UM, SOME KIND OF CHEAP CANVAS MATERIALS THAT COVERED THE WINDOWS AND SOME PEELING GRAPHICS AND ALL OF THAT JUST KIND OF DIMINISHED THE CURB APPEAL.
UM, WE REALLY FEEL LIKE OUR DESIGN HELPS CORRECT THOSE LIABILITIES AND, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, JUST REALLY EMBRACE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, WHICH HAD A LOT THERE TO OFFER AND WITH SOME MINOR CHANGES WITH THE PAINT AND, UM, ADDING THAT EFIS SHIELD AROUND THE SIGN, UM, PAINTING THE, THE STOREFRONT, THE BLACK, UM, THAT, THAT REALLY ADDS A LOT, UM, FOR A BIG IMPACT FOR, UM, WITH NOT A WHOLE A BIG SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE SIDE ELEVATION, WHICH AS, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, UM, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION AS FAR AS THE SIGN VARIANCE.
SO AT THIS POINT THE, UM, THE SHIELD IS UP ON THAT SIDE, UM, BUT NOT THE, THE SIGN OR THE VINYL.
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SIGNATURE PAINT PALETTE.THESE ARE, UM, IN OUR TIMELESS ARTISTIC MURALS.
THE, UM, OUR COLORS REALLY WE FEEL ELEVATE THE CENTER'S AESTHETIC AS A WHOLE.
UM, WE AVOID LOUDER NOVEL NOVELTY CORPORATE COLORS AND, UM, THESE, UH, PAINT COLORS AND MURALS AND INCORPORATING SOME OF THE DOUGLAS FIR, UM, WHICH WE DID AT THE COLUMNS, UM, HELPS JUST INTEGRATE ALL OF THAT FOR BRINGING IN THAT WESTERN FEEL.
UM, AND THEN I'VE GOT ACTUAL SAMPLES UP HERE ON THE, ON THE BOARD.
SO AS MENTIONED WHEN WE'RE COMING IN, WE'RE TRULY MAKING INVESTMENT INTO THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE, UM, A LONG TERM COMMITMENT WITH A 10 YEAR EXECUTED LEASE AT THIS LOCATION WITH FIVE YEAR RENEWABLE TERMS. UM, OUR REAL ESTATE TEAM REALLY DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB AT SELECTING SITES AND, UM, AT THIS POINT WE HAVE OVER 130 STORES.
WE'VE ONLY EVER CLOSED ONE OR TWO.
UM, SO WE, WE REALLY DO TAKE IMMENSE PRIDE IN OUR REAL ESTATE AND WE WANNA MAINTAIN HIGH QUALITY STANDARDS.
UM, OUR CORPORATE AND DESIGN FACILITIES TEAM, WE MAINTAIN, UM, GREAT COMMUNICATION WITH OUR DISTRICT MANAGERS, STORE MANAGERS SO THAT WE'RE KEEPING A CONSTANT PULSE OF HOW THE STORE'S DOING, WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, UM, WHAT THEY'RE SEEING, HELP WITH COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE LANDLORD, UH, TO FACILITATE, UM, AND ADDRESS ANY MAINTENANCE ITEMS PROACTIVELY.
UM, SO WE AS A WHOLE, WE FEEL LIKE OUR IMPROVEMENTS ARE REALLY CREATING AN INVITING CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, NOT ONLY IS THIS PROMOTING OUR BRAND IDENTITY, BUT IT'S ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THE NORTH POINT DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE.
AND UM, I KNOW THAT IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DID TAKE THE RISK OF PROCEEDING WITH THE PAINT, WITH SOME DISCUSSION WITH FRET AND UM, THAT WAS, UH, JUST A CALCULATED RISK THAT WE WAS REALLY DRIVEN BY OUR VERY TIGHT CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE.
UM, WHEN WE GO INTO, UH, PERMITTING AND, AND THAT THAT CONSTRUCTION DAY START, IT'S, IT'S, WE HAVE JUST A REALLY TIGHT WINDOW TO GET EVERYTHING EXECUTED.
AND SO OUR SOFT OPEN IS ACTUALLY A WEEK FROM TODAY, NEXT FRIDAY.
AND JUST KIND OF THE TIMING WITH THE FREQUENCY OF THE BOARD MEETINGS AND STUFF, UM, THIS WAS THE SOONEST WE COULD, UM, MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND SO, UM, SO I'M APOL I'M SORRY WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET IN, UM, ON THE FRONT END ON THAT.
UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, UM, JUST FROM KIND OF HEARING SOME OF THE EARLIER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COLUMNS, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THERE.
THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, COME UP AND SEE THEM VISUALLY IN PERSON.
UM, THE CD SET THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY DID INCLUDE A DETAIL OF FRAMING OUT AROUND THE COLUMN, UM, DOWN TO THE GROUND.
AND UM, I CAN PULL THAT UP TOO IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, LET'S DO THIS BECAUSE WHAT WAS DOWNLOADED IN OUR PACKET WASN'T FULLY, IT WASN'T THE ENTIRE, UH, DRAWINGS.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE RENDERING OR ELEVATION ON OUR SCREENS RIGHT NOW.
THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT EVEN THAN ONE OF THE OTHER ELEVATIONS YOU JUST SHOWED US.
SO THIS WAS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS CORRECT.
AND THEN IF YOU WALK US THROUGH TWO ON THE ELEVATIONS WHERE THE DIFFERENT PAINT COLORS WERE GOING OR HAPPENED OR, AND SO YES.
FOR INSTANCE, THAT LOWER ELEVATION NOW IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU WERE JUST SHOWING US ON THE OTHER ONE.
THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS, UH, AN IMAGE THAT WAS ENHANCED, UH, FOR VISUAL PURPOSES.
THIS ONE IS, UM, THE ARCHITECT'S DRAWING OF THE EXTERIOR WITH THE SIGN PACKAGE ADDED.
AND SO, UM, THE COLUMNS ON THIS ONE DO APPEAR A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN HOW THEY WERE ON THE CD SET.
WHICH, UM, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF I PULL UP THAT, UH, THE YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU DO, DON'T JUST DO THAT WHILE WE CAN.
I WILL HAVE YOU WALK US THROUGH THAT LAST, THAT BOTTOM RENDERING AND JUST SHOW US WHERE THE DIFFERENT COLORS HAPPEN OR, OKAY.
UM, WELL IT LOOKS LIKE THIS, THIS DRAWING SHOWS THE OH, IT IS.
SORRY, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS JUST SHOWING MY SCREEN.
UM, SO THIS IS THE ARCHITECTURAL CD SET THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY.
UM, THIS IS THE FRONT FACADE ELEVATION.
AND THEN, UM, I CAN SCROLL TO THE OTHER ONE IN A MOMENT.
UM, THAT SHOWS THE SIDE THAT FACES NORTH POINT STREET.
UM, AND THEN MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF I, SO WE, WE MAINTAIN ALL THE EXISTING, IF YOU'LL SPEAK INTO,
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I'M SORRY IF YOU'LL SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.YOU MAY HAVE TO TAKE THE HANDHELD ONE.
UM, SO THE WOOL SKIING COLOR, WHICH IS OUR MAIN PRIMARY PAINT COLOR, THAT IS A MAJORITY OF WHAT WAS, UH, PAINTED UP HERE OF THE EVIS AND THIS, UM, PEDIMENT AREA.
AND THEN ACROSS UNDER THE CORNICE, THE UNIVERSAL KHAKI IS USED AS AN ACCENT.
IT'S WHAT THE EFA SHIELD IS PAINTED.
AND, UM, AND THEN THE TRICO BLACK, UM, IS WHAT IS USED FOR THE STOREFRONT FRAMES.
AND I BELIEVE AT THE TOP, UM, LET ME ACTUALLY LOOK BACK AT THAT.
UH, SORRY, LET ME CONFIRM THAT.
UM, YEAH, SO THIS ONE WAS KIND OF THE RENDERING THAT, UM, IS A BIT ENHANCED.
SO IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A GRAPHIC RENDITION.
THIS IS, UH, MORE TRUE TO ACCURATE.
SO THE, UM, UNIVERSAL KHAKI IS WHAT WAS PAINTED HERE AT THE TOP AROUND THE TRIM AND THE, THE CAP FLASHING UP HERE AT THE TOP.
AND THEN, UM, THE WOOL SKIING IS THIS AREA HERE ACROSS AND OKAY, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT SOME GRAPHICS THAT YOU'RE PLACING ON SOME OF THE LARGER STOREFRONT AREAS.
UM, LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A, LIKE A STAGECOACH, UH, SCENE AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE.
YES, SO, UM, THESE ARE PART OF OUR GRAPHIC MURALS.
UM, THIS IS, WE REFER TO THIS ONE AS THE RUNNING HORSES
AND UM, WE ARE BASICALLY COVERING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WINDOWS THAT THE PREVIOUS TENANT HAD WITH ON THIS SIDE.
AND SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO COVER THE SIDE WITH THE RUNNING HORSES MURAL.
IT'S ON THE LOWER SECTIONS OF THE STOREFRONT.
SO MAINTAINING THAT UPPER BAND, WHICH REALLY LETS A LOT OF LIGHT INTO THE STORE.
AND THEN ON THE FRONT FACADE, UH, WE ARE ACTUALLY NOT COVERING UP AS, AS MUCH.
THEY HAD THE ENTIRE FRONT COVERED WITH EITHER BLACKED OUT OR WITH GRAPHICS.
UM, THEIR EXISTING STORE, UM, SORRY, THEIR EXISTING BACK OF HOUSE WITHIN THE STORE IS OVER IN THIS SECTION, WHICH WE MAINTAINED.
AND SO THAT AREA IT IS, IT HAS A SOLID WALL BACK.
AND SO, UM, IN ORDER TO JUST AVOID SEEING THAT BLACK, WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE MURALS IN THIS LOCATION IN THE CENTRAL AREA CLOSER TO THE ENTRY HERE.
WE ARE KEEPING THAT OPEN TO ALLOW MORE VISUAL, UM, SITE INTO THE STORE AND, UM, MORE OF THAT NATURAL LIGHT IN.
AND THEN ON THIS SIDE HERE, UM, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS TENANT, WE, THAT IS WALLED OFF ON THE INTERIOR.
SO THAT'S A PLACE FOR FIXTURING MERCHANDISING, UM, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THE GRAPHICS ON THAT SIDE.
SO, SO THE GRAY AREAS IN THAT RENDERING ARE ACTUALLY THE CLEAR GLASS? YES, SIR.
YOU CAN SEE INTO THE STORE IT'S NOT BEING, THERE'S NOT A FILM THERE OR ANYTHING? YES SIR.
SO VERY CLOSE TO THE RENDERING ON THE LEFT TOP LEFT THERE, YES.
WHERE YOU CAN SEE INTO THE STORE.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THIS ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS, UM, RIGHT AT THE MAIN ENTRY THERE, THERE IS A VESTIBULE AS YOU WALK IN.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE, YOUR GLASS DOORS AND THEN ANOTHER SEPARATION.
AND SO IT DOES HAVE A CEILING AND THIS PART THAT'S SHOWN AS WHITE, THAT IS A WALL.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BLACKING THAT OUT SO YOU'RE NOT JUST SEEING THESE TWO WHITE BOXES FROM THE EXTERIOR.
SO INSTEAD OF, IT DOES NOT HAVE THE GLASS ALL THE WAY THROUGH JUST IN THIS SECTION LIKE THAT.
AND I WILL NOTE ONE OTHER THING ON THE INTERIOR.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR YOU ARE WITH THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, BUT THERE'S A LARGE SKYLIGHT RIGHT IN THE CENTER THAT'S LIKE A PYRAMID SHAPE.
WE DID EMBRACE THAT AND MAINTAIN THAT.
SO IT'S STILL A PART OF THE, UM, STORE.
WELL, I WILL SAY THIS, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE GLAD TO SEE A VACANT BUILDING BEING REPURPOSED OR REOCCUPIED.
IT WAS A PREVIOUSLY, I THINK IT STARTED OUT TO BE A ROOMS TO GO.
UH, STORE AND NOW PARTY CITY AND THEY VACATED A WHILE BACK AND NOW YOU'RE HERE.
SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR TAKING OVER.
I THINK EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD.
MY ONLY CONCERN ARE THE COLUMNS.
ON THE FRONT ARE THE COLUMNS ON THE ENTRY SIDE, AND THEN THE COLUMNS ON THE, I'M GONNA SAY THE NORTH POINT SIDE.
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UH, THEY DON'T GIVE MUCH ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER TO THOSE FEATURES.SO, UM, I JUST, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IT LOOKS LIKE IN SOME, IN SOME DRAWINGS YOU'VE SHOWN A BASE AND A PLINTH OR MM-HMM
SO ARE THOSE COLUMNS THE WAY THEY ARE RIGHT NOW? 'CAUSE I, I STOPPED BY, TOOK SOME PICTURES YESTERDAY.
ARE THERE GONNA BE, IS THERE ANY MORE WORK GONNA BE DONE TO THOSE COLUMNS? WE HAD NOT PLANNED TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL WORK AT THE, TO THE COLUMNS.
THE INITIAL RENDERINGS YOU SAW THAT WERE PROVIDED FROM OUR SIGN MANUFACTURER THAT SHOWED THE PLINTH AND THE, THE CAP AT THE TOP WHERE IT DOES SHOW THE COLUMN A LITTLE MORE NARROW.
UM, THAT WAS DONE PRIOR TO THE ARCHITECT'S INVOLVEMENT.
AND SO ONCE CD STARTED TO BE WORKED ON, UM, THEY HAD, UM, HAD TO FRAME IT OUT IN ORDER, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT DETAIL IN ORDER TO HAVE SOMETHING TO ATTACH TO.
WELL I GUESS YOU DO SEE THAT DETAIL THERE.
UM, THEY HAD TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
UM, AND IT, AND IT DOES HAVE FLASHING AT THE TOP.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS INSTALLED AS WELL.
IS THERE A WAY WE COULD LOOK AT THE ACTUAL, UH, PICTURES THAT YOU TOOK? BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UM, THEY'RE DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING THAT WE'VE SEEN GRAPHICALLY.
UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A BIT WIDER.
UM, SO IT KIND OF CHANGES WHATEVER YOU MIGHT BE THINKING AS FAR AS ANYONE MIGHT BE THINKING.
AS FAR AS ANY POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS, I THINK NEEDS TO BE IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY THERE.
WE DO HAVE A, A STONE VENEER THAT WE OCCASIONALLY USE ON OUR BUILDINGS.
UM, I DON'T, THAT COULD BE AN OPTION TO BUILD OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BASE TO BREAK UP THE EXPANSE OF THE BRICK OR OF THE WOOD.
UM, THAT'S GONNA INCREASE THE WIDTH AROUND THE BOTTOM.
AND I DON'T REALLY LOVE THE IDEA OF INTRODUCING A DIFFERENT ELEMENT AS WELL BECAUSE THE, UM, BUILDING IS BRICK AROUND THE, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT IN THE, UH, PICTURE HERE AT THE, THE WAINS COAT AT THE VERY BASE AND THEN AROUND ON THE, THE SIDE IN THE BACK, UM, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT A BRICK VENEER THAT IF THERE'S ONE THAT WE COULD GET TO MATCH, UM, IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A BASE.
I I THINK THEY JUST LACKED SOME FENESTRATION.
IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? LITTLE GREEN LIGHT? UM, I THINK THEY JUST LACK FENESTRATION AS, AS, AS CONSTRUCTED.
UM, THAT'S MY ONE COMMENT ON THAT AND HOW YOU GO ABOUT THAT.
UM, IT, IT SHOWED SOME ADMINISTRATION IN THE RENDERS.
UM, THEN I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, ANY, THE, ONE OF THE RENDERINGS SHOWED SOME EXTERIOR LIGHTING, THERE'S SOME GROUND LIGHTING, SOME SILHOUETTE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY EXTERIOR LIGHTING GOING IN ANYWHERE? LANDSCAPING OR ON THE BUILDING? AND THEN, THEN THE THIRD QUESTION, ACTUALLY SECOND QUESTION.
UM, ANY PLANS FOR THE EXTERIOR LANDSCAPING THAT YOU WANT TO UPGRADE OR CHANGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YES, UM, SO TO SPEAK FIRST TO THAT LATTER QUESTION WE ARE IN, IN CURRENT DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH THE LANDLORD TO NEGOTIATE HOW IT, WHAT'S BEING DONE AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING AND WHETHER THAT'S PART OF HIS SCOPE OR OUR SCOPE.
AND SO WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT TO CLEAN THAT UP.
UM, AS FAR AS LIGHTING, I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK AS FAR AS LANDSCAPE LIGHTING AND SPECIFICALLY, UM RIGHT.
UM, WE DO HAVE A LANTERN STYLE WALL SCO THAT WE OFTEN USE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS, UH, AN ISSUE WITH BEING ABLE TO GET POWER TO THE FRONT OF THE COLUMNS HERE AND THAT'S WHY WE MAYBE WEREN'T ABLE TO USE IT ON THE ONE.
THIS WAS THE RENDERING FROM OUR, SO, SO DOES DAVE LOOKED AT THIS BREATH AS FAR AS, WELL IT'S NOT A POTENTIAL THERE, BUT UM, WE HAVE HEARD FROM, FROM THE, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE LANDLORD, SO WE'RE SORT OF OKAY.
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TO LET THAT HAPPEN RATHER THAN US GETTING INVOLVED AND WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.I THINK THEY KNOW THEY'RE COMING IN FRESH.
AND, AND A COUPLE ACTUALLY A GOOD BIT WORK PACKED UP.
SO I HAD, I HAD SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THE COLUMNS TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU WERE, UM, SHARING.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE PARTY CITY VERSUS, UH, THE NEW STORE, I'M SO OVERWHELMED AT HOW MUCH BETTER IT LOOKS THAT IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO REALLY GET SUCKED INTO THESE COLUMNS 'CAUSE I CAN PROBABLY LIVE WITH THEM THE WAY THEY ARE PERSONALLY.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT ANY POTENTIAL MODIFICATION, I THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE SO WIDE AND AND SHORT AND FAT, THAT WHATEVER WE WOULD RECOMMEND NEEDS TO STAY WITHIN THAT EX THAT THAT OUTER LINE AND SHOULDN'T PROTRUDE ANY FURTHER.
ONE THOUGHT I HAD AS A POTENTIAL SUGGESTION IS IF YOU REMOVED THE, THE WOOD PANELS ARE ABOUT SIX INCHES.
THAT'S, I THINK THIS ISN'T AN ACTUAL SAMPLE, IS IT REALLY? I THINK SOME OF THE, THE PIECES ON THE BUILDING ACTUALLY MAY BE, UH, ONE BY TWELVES.
ONE THOUGHT THAT I I FEEL LIKE COULD BE A POTENTIAL SOLUTION IS IF YOU DID A TWO FOOT MASONRY BASE THAT MATCHES THE, UH, WAIN'S COAT AROUND THE BUILDING TO PULL THAT IN TOGETHER, UH, WITH THE SAME TYPE OF CAP HAS ON IT.
OR, UM, THIS IS A LITTLE MAYBE TOO CONTEMPORARY, BUT, UM, ABOVE THE MASONRY BASE AND BELOW THE CORN, THE, UH, THE PEDIMENT, IF YOU CREATED A, UH, FOUR INCH INSTEAD OF COMING OUT COME IN TO CREATE ALMOST A, A FOUR INCH REVEAL, UH, LIKE A, A METAL, UH, EXTRUSION, UM, I THINK THAT COULD ADD SOME CHARACTER TO IT AND BREAK IT UP A BIT.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE CONTEMPORARY, BUT, UM, I THINK THE IDEA THAT THE MASONRY AT THE BASE COULD BE, COULD BE, UH, HELP BREAK IT UP WITHOUT MAKING IT EVEN MORE WIDE.
I HAVE A, JUST A THOUGHT FAR FROM ANY PROFESSIONAL OUT THERE, BUT I, I SORT OF AGREED IT IT WITH YOUR THOUGHT OF ADDING MORE TO IT POTENTIALLY EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM OF THE WIDTH.
SO TAKE OFF THE BOTTOM AND SET IT IN.
NO, UH, THE, THE MASONRY, SORRY.
THE MASONRY BASE WOULD BE FLUSH WITH THE WOOD AND IT WOULDN'T BECAUSE THEY'VE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE A, A THREE AND FIVE EIGHTH INCH STUD BACKING.
I THINK YOU COULD FIT IT IN OR DO A TILE OR SOMETHING.
AND THEN TO SEPARATE THE MASONRY BASE FROM THE WOOD ABOVE, POTENTIALLY COME IN FOR LIKE A FOUR INCH REVEAL AND THEN REPEAT THAT REVEAL AT THE TOP AND IT DOESN'T TAKE A, A MUCH DEMO OF THE NEW WORK THERE AND IT ADDS SOME CHARACTER AND IT DOESN'T GET ANY FATTER.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
WILL PEOPLE HAVE SHOPPING CARTS IN YOUR STORE? NO SIR.
SO, SO I WAS JUST, 'CAUSE I WAS JUST THINKING IF PEOPLE COME OUT OF THE STORE WITH A SHOPPING CART RIGHT.
AND YOU'VE GOT A WOOD ENCLOSURE, THAT RIGHT THERE MAY BE SOME DAMAGE HAPPENING OR SOMETHING, SO, RIGHT.
SO THERE'S NO, NO VEHICLE, NO NOTHING SIR, THAT PEOPLE ARE PUSHING.
I WAS WONDERING ABOUT IF, IF AND IT IT SORT OF ADDING THINGS TO THE COLUMN BUT MAYBE HELPS THEM NOT BE SO VISIBLE.
LIKE I, I LOOKED AT THIS IMAGE AND I THOUGHT, WELL HOW WOULD IT LOOK IF THEY PUT A FLAG ON EACH COLUMN AND IF THEY COULD A LIGHT FIXTURE? OH AND OR POTENTIALLY IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING OF OF LIKE THE TEXAS STAR PLYING SOME THINGS TO THE COLUMNS POTENTIALLY THAT SORT OF TAKES AWAY FROM THIS, JUST THIS BIG MASSIVE PIECE OF WOOD THERE.
LIKE I THINK IF THEY WERE SOLID TWO FOOT CYPRESS TREES OR SOMETHING THAT WERE THERE, I THINK WE'D BE THINKING OF IT SORT DIFFERENTLY.
BUT WITH THE APPLIED STUFF, I THINK IT JUST LOOKS I'M SURPRISED YOU WANT CORRECT.
WELL I, YOU KNOW, I STRUGGLE WITH THAT THIS WEEK.
UM, BUT I'LL GIVE 'EM THEIR, I'LL GIVE 'EM THEIR, THEY'RE FINE.
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IT IS.BUT, UM, I, I'M MR. ROWAN, I'M SORT OF WITH YOU.
I'M, I'M LIKE, IT'S SUCH A BIG IMPROVEMENT.
BUT COULD WE DO SOMETHING JUST REALLY SMALL THAT SORT OF TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE THOUGHT IS IF YOU WANT TO CREATE A CAPITAL OF SOME SORT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT APPLYING A LIKE RUSTED OR STEEL METAL MEDALLION AT THE TOP OF EACH ONE OR, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A, SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTERESTING IDEA.
I, I THINK I LIKE THAT BECAUSE I WORRY ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTABILITY OF AN ADDITIONAL STONE OR ANY KIND OF MASONRY BASE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW WHAT THE WIDTH OF THAT BASE IS ON YOUR ORIGINAL COLUMN.
UM, I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD HAVE TO GET WIDER THAN EVEN WHAT'S THERE NOW.
I'M GONNA THROW A DIFFERENT WHAT THESE COLUMN, THE PORTION OF THE COLUMNS TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE UM, CAP TO THE, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT'S THE ARCHITECT? THE CAPITAL.
THE PEDIMENT ARE, ARE NOT RIGHT.
BUT WHAT IF THE COLUMNS HAD SOME SORT OF VERTICAL RECESS IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM, KIND OF A VERTICAL RECESS TO GET AND THEN PUT THE FLAGPOLE IN THAT VERTICAL RECESS LIGHT OR SOMETHING.
LIKE A SHADOW BOX OR SOMETHING OF THAT.
I'M JUST, CAN I MAKE A A AN ADDENDUM TO THAT? A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
UM, WHAT IF YOU HAD SOME KIND OF APPLIED TO TAKE YOUR IDEA AND BRETT'S IDEA APPLIED LIKE PIECE OF STEEL THAT'S U-SHAPED OR SOMETHING IN THE CENTER OF EACH OF THOSE COLUMNS.
MAYBE IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM.
MAYBE IT STAYS UP A LITTLE BIT TO KIND OF CREATE AN, A FEELING OF A BASE AND A AND A CAPITAL AND MAYBE IT STARTS TWO FOOT UP AND IT ENDS LIKE ONE FROM THE TOP AND MAYBE KIND OF A RESTATED STEEL PANEL.
I FEEL LIKE IF YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU'RE ALMOST SORT OF REPLICATING A, A BELT AND BUCKLE.
YOU GOT, YOU GOT THE BELT THAT'S HANGING THERE BASICALLY SUSPENDERS.
I LIKE, I THINK I'VE LIKE A FOUR INCH.
AND YOU COULD EVEN LIGHT IT IF THEY WANTED TO LIGHT IT FROM THE BOTTOM.
SO I THINK A LIGHT WOULD HELP A LIGHT FIXTURE HOW MUCH WIDTH WE HAVE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY HOW EASY IT WOULD BE TO GET THE POWER OUT THERE.
I LIKE, I LIKE THE YOU'RE YOU'RE BREAKING UP.
I APPRECIATION YOU'RE FIXING THE PROPORTION BY DOING SOMETHING UP THE MIDDLE.
AND IF IT'S APPLIED, YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH TEARING IT DOWN WITH RED JENNIFER'S CONCERN ABOUT WATER INTRUSION AND CONSTRUCTIBILITY.
IT COULD HAVE EVEN MAYBE BOLTS OR SOME, SOME KIND OF IN MORE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL TYPE FEEL TO IT.
I'M SORT OF THINKING BACK TO WHAT, WHAT WE DID WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE UH, BOLT HEADS ON THE CANOPIES OVER HERE.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS HOW MUCH THAT ADDED JUST JUST TO, TO THE THING.
SO APPLYING SOMETHING, UM, FEELS TO ME LIKE IT SORT OF GETS WHERE I THINK YOU GUYS WANT TO GO WITHOUT THEM.
THEY KNEW THEY WERE MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT, WITHOUT THIS.
SO IF THEY GOTTA TEAR 'EM DOWN AND RECONSTRUCT IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PREPARED FOR THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO THAT.
AND I'M ALSO THINKING THIS HAPPENS NOT ONLY ON THE MAIN ENTRY SIDE, BUT IT WILL HAPPEN ON THE NORTH.
WHATEVER WE DO ON THE FRONT, WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANNA DO ON THE SIDE TO KEEP CONSISTENCY.
I MEAN, I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKS VERY GOOD.
AGAIN, GLAD YOU'RE COMING INTO A VACANT, TAKING OVER.
I KNOW YOU'RE, SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR SOFT OPENING NEXT WEEK, SO YOU'RE YES SIR.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE JUST DOWN TO THE COLUMNS NOW OR TO THE, THE, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING TO BREAK UP THE MASS, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE LINES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
AND MR. ROWAN, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IF WE ADD MASONRY TO THE BASE YEAH.
WE MAKE 'EM LOOK EVEN HEAVIER THAN THEY ARE.
SO I'M WONDERING CAN WE APPROVE EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE COLUMNS, YOU KNOW, SO WE APPROVE THE ELEVATION MATERIALS BUT THE FURTHER COLUMNS TO THE NEXT MEETING SO THEY CAN COME BACK, CONSIDER SOME OF THESE IDEAS.
YOU, YOU DEFINITELY CAN'T APPROVE IT AS PRESENTED 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS SO Y'ALL HAVE TO JUST YEAH, YOUR WOULD HAVE TO BE, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T SAY AS PRESENTED 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT PRESENTING.
UM, THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, WELL IF, IF YOU SAY WOULD YOU REALLY DO, DO YOU, DO YOU WANT THAT TO COME BACK OR DO YOU WANT TO, I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO VOTE ON, SO IT'D HAVE TO COME BACK.
WELL, I, I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS PRESENTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE COLUMNS, WHICH ARE DEFERRED TO THE OCTOBER 16TH, IT'S NOT AS PRE WELL IT IS AS PRESENTED I THINK EXCEPT THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS.
SO YOU HAVE TO LIKE THE COLUMNS, YOU'D HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE AS THE COLUMNS.
BUT I'M SAYING ARE SHOULD THE PACKET, THE PACKET IS
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CORRECT OTHER THAN THE COLUMN.SO I THINK IF THEY REFER TO THE, TO THE WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE PACKET EXCEPT IN THE COLUMNS.
EXCEPT FOR THE COLUMNS, THEN I THINK YOU'RE, WHY, WHY CAN'T WE ARTICULATE, UH, THIS IMPROVEMENT THAT EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE ON BOARD WITH AND THEN HAVE FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF? I WANT TO SEE IT.
YOU WANNA SEE IT HERE? NO, HERE'S A PICTURE.
WELL, I GUESS WE'VE GOT WHAT WAS IN OUR PACKET IS NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING THE PACKET MINUS THE COLUMNS.
I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION TOO.
I, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL THE COLORS GO.
I JUST DID NOTICE IN THE PACKET, UM, A PICTURE OF THE RECEIVING DOORS IN THE BACK, BUT THERE'S NO ANNOTATION OF THOSE DOORS BEING PAINTED.
UM, AND THEY PAINTED IN THE, I ASSUME PROBABLY THE WOOL SKIING.
WHILE, WHILE WE'RE PONDERING THAT, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS MORNING.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH THE WAY OR, AND TAKE YOU LATE AT THAT.
SO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE COMING BACK WITH LANDSCAPING ONCE YOU HAVE YOUR DISCUSSION OR FINISH YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE LANDLORD? UM, I, I CAN.
WHAT IS THE, I GUESS THE NEED OR REQUIREMENT FOR THAT AS FAR AS, UM, THE SPECIFICS WITH THE LANDSCAPE? WELL, I GUESS ONCE YOU FIGURE OUT WITH THE LANDLORD WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO MM-HMM
OR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, OR WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE THE LANDLORD DO, THEN LET'S, WHY DON'T YOU TALK TO BRETT OKAY.
TO LET HIM KNOW WHAT, WHAT YOUR VISION IS.
'CAUSE YOU DO TALK ABOUT ENHANCING THAT THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPING IS OVERGROWN RIGHT.
AND I, AND I AGREE IT MAKES SENSE.
THERE'S SOME, SOME OF THAT NEEDS HELP.
IT'S, UM, IT'S TAKEN, TAKEN A BEATING.
ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, REGARDING DRB 2 6 0 0 2 2 CAVENDERS BOOT CITY, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE THE ELEVATION OF MATERIALS AS PRESENTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE COLUMNS, WHICH ARE DEFERRED TO THE OCTOBER 16TH DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING FOR THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER OUR COMMENTS FROM TODAY.
UH, AND FOR CLARIFICATION, THE RECEIVING DOORS WILL BE PAINTED IN THE WOOL SCHEME.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS OR DO YOU NEED THEM TO SUMMARIZE THE COMMENTS? UM, YES MA'AM.
THE ONLY CLARIFICATION I GUESS I WOULD JUST REQUEST IS AS FAR AS THE GRAPHIC WINDOW MURALS, IS THAT STRICTLY PART OF THE SIGN PACKAGE OR IS THAT PART OF THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE SIGN STUFF.
WE'LL TALK, YEAH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PORTION.
AND I, AND I ASSUME THAT IS A FILM THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON THE INSIDE OF THE STORE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE EXTERIOR BECAUSE IN MANY OF THESE LOCATIONS, THE EXISTING WALL WAS ALREADY BUILT UP AGAINST THE WINDOWS.
AND IT, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THESE IMAGES FROM PARTY CITY, THIS IS ACTUALLY A WALL OR A, A BUILT STRUCTURE HERE AND HERE.
AND THEN ALL ACROSS THIS SIDE IT'S ANDREW GLASS.
SO YOU'RE PUTTING ON THE EXTERIOR SIDE OF THE GLASS? YES SIR.
UHHUH THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS.
UM, BRETT, SINCE THAT'S ON THE OUTSIDE, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S A, IT IT'S A TECHNICAL THING.
I MEAN, WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST.
WHEN YOU'VE GOT A TINTED GLASS, YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT SIGNAGE ON THE INSIDE.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT MADE FOR THAT.
SO YEAH, I'M, I'M, I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ON THE OUTSIDE AND THEY MET THE 20%.
WE ACTUALLY HAD 'EM SHRINK A LITTLE BIT HERE AND HAD SOME THERE JUST TO YEP.
AND AS LONG AS THEIR NAME IS NOT IN THAT.
AS LONG AS IT, WELL, IF THEY SAY IN THE 20% IT COULD BE A SIGN 'CAUSE IT'S A WINDOW SIGN.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING THERE WITH THAT.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO VERBIAGE OR, UH, BRANDING WITHIN THE MURAL.
WELL, I KNOW AND THE MOTION AGAIN IS MR. SWING SAID IT'S JUST FOR EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, UNLESS IT COMES PURPOSELY BEFORE US, WE DON'T JUST LOOK AT SIGNAGE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? ALRIGHT, THERE'LL BE NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
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OPPOSITION.ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR SOFT OPENING, I GUESS.
WHEN'S THE, WHEN'S THE HARD OPENING OR WHEN'S THE GRAND OPENING? I'M, I DON'T KNOW.
I'LL HAVE TO GET WITH MARKETING IS WHEN THEY HAD THAT SCHEDULED, BUT OKAY.
YES, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED.
NO FURTHER BUSINESS AND WITH NO OBJECTIONS FROM FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, THIS MEETING'S HEREBY ADUR.