[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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I CALL THIS OCTOBER 1ST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
WE HAVE THREE ITEMS TO CONSIDER.
THE FIRST ONE HAS BEEN DEFERRED BY THE APPLICANT.
THAT'S Z 26 DASH ZERO SEVEN SLASH V DASH 26 DASH 15 3 50 WHEELS LANE.
UH, BEFORE WE CONSIDER THE ITEMS, UM, WE
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
NEED TO CONSIDER THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS SEPTEMBER 3RD.UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 3RD, SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 3RD.
SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE IN SECOND OR IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
FIRST ITEM IS, UM, MP DASH 26 DASH ONE THREE SLASH CU DASH 26.
[6. PUBLIC HEARING]
LET ME READ THE PUBLIC HEARING.UM, MOVING AN INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING TO BE HEARD ON THE MATTER RELATED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING MUST BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR.
BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION UPON RISING TO SPEAK, THE SPEAKER MUST IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR HERSELF AND FURNISH A HOME OR BUSINESS ADDRESS BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS.
THE COMMISSION WILL ALLOW THE PROPONENTS A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION.
OPPONENTS WILL BE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
COMMENTS ARE ACCEPTED FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY PERSON SPEAKING IN FAVOR, AND THEN FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION, UPON CONCLUSION OF ANY OPPOSING COMMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS, THE CHAIR WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO OFFER REBUTTAL IF ANY TIME IS REMAINING IN THE ORIGINAL ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES AND THE CHAIR HAS DISCRETION TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TIME IF NEEDED.
FIRST ITEM, MP DASH 26 DASH 13 SLASH CU DASH 26 DASH 11 SLASH V DASH 26 DASH 19 ROYAL 430 CENTER.
AND I BELIEVE MICHAEL IS PRESENTING.
THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
THE FIRST ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A REQUEST FOR MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT AND CONDITIONAL USE IS TO ALLOW A UTILITY SUBSTATION IN CONJUNCTION WITH A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION OF A DATA CENTER.
IT'S ON A PROPERTY THAT IS JUST UNDER 40 ACRES THAT'S LOCATED IN THE ROYAL 400 MASTER PLAN.
MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT IS REQUESTED TO AMEND THE ROYAL FOUR MASTER PLAN TO ADD UTILITY SUBSTATION AS A CONDITIONAL USE TO REDUCE THE UNDESIRED BUFFER ALONG KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD FROM 100 FEET TO 40 FEET INTO AMEND SECURITY FENCE DETAIL, UH, MATERIALS AND HEIGHT TO ALLOW FOR SCREEN WALLS TO SCREEN THE SUBSTATION.
A CONDITIONAL USE IS ALSO REQUESTED TO ALLOW THE PROPOSED UTILITY SUBSTATION, AND A VARIANCE IS REQUESTED TO UNIFY DEVELOPMENT CODE SUBSECTION 2.3 0.6 TO ALLOW THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE TO EXCEED EIGHT FEET.
AND I HAVE THE LOCATION MAP ON THE OVERHEAD.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 49 0 5 NORTH POINT PARKWAY, NORTHEAST CORNER OF KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD AND NORTH POINT PARKWAY.
ITS PROPERTY IS ZONED ONI OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL.
IT WAS DEVELOPED IN 2009 WITH A ONE STORY ABOUT 185,000 SQUARE FOOT DATA DATA CENTER.
MASTER PLAN, AMENDMENT AND VARIANCE WERE APPROVED IN 2008.
AND BEFORE I SHOW YOU THAT, I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU SOME, UH, STREET VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS ON KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD GOING EAST.
YOU'RE ON THE BRIDGE OVER GEORGIA 400.
THERE'S AN EXISTING GEORGIA POWER SUBSTATION PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY.
AND THEN THERE'S, UH, YOU SEE THESE TRANSMISSION LINES COMING ACROSS KIMBALL BRIDGE HERE, AND THERE'S A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE GEORGIA POWER EASEMENT, UH, THAT THESE TRANSMISSION LINES RUN THROUGH, AND THAT RUNS THROUGH THE NORTH EDGE OF THIS PROPERTY.
THIS IS A CLOSER VIEW OF THAT TRANSMISSION LINE.
THE EXISTING DATA CENTER SITS BEHIND THE TREES HERE.
THIS IS A VIEW COMING DOWN THE BRIDGE.
SO YOU'RE STILL ON KEMP BRIDGE HEADING TOWARDS NORTH POINT PARKWAY AND SEE THERE'S A LOT OF VEGETATION ALONG THE ROADWAY THERE.
THIS IS AT THE CORNER OF NORTH POINT PARKWAY AND KIMBALL BRIDGE.
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POINT PARKWAY.THIS IS THE CORNER, SEE, IT'S HEAVILY TREED.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY, THE OFFICE, UM, DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THIS SITE.
UM, THIS IS A PICTURE FROM WITHIN THEIR DRIVEWAY, THE PROPERTY, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT'S OVER HERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE TRANSMISSION LINES RUNNING THROUGH.
AND THIS IS A DIRECT VIEW FROM THAT SAME PARKING LOT OF THE PROPERTY, UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THEN JUST A QUICK VIEW OF THE GEORGIA, THE EXISTING GEORGIA POWER, UH, UTILITY STATION LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE APPLICANT SITE.
SO IN 2008, UM, THERE WAS A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT AND VARIANCE APPROVED ON THIS PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 24 240 5,000 SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN WITH THAT.
SO THIS IS THE INITIAL 185,000 SQUARE FOOT WITH THE 60,000 SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A SIX STORY 175,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING AND PARKING DECK, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED AT THE CORNER.
THAT OH EIGHT APPROVAL SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALSO ZONED TO O AND I.
VERIZON CORPORATE OFFICE IS LOCATED TO THE WEST.
GREAT OAK CENTER IS LOCATED TO THE NORTH RURAL CENTER THREE AND FULTON COUNTY REGIONAL HEALTH CENTER LOCATED TO THE EAST AND RURAL 400 SOUTH IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH.
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS CORPORATE OFFICE.
THE RURAL 400 MASS PLAN IS JUST UNDER 400 ACRES.
IT'S DEVELOPED WITH A MIX OF CORPORATE OFFICE, MEDICAL OFFICE, AND DATA CENTERS.
THERE ARE A TOTAL OF THREE DISSENTERS EXISTING WITHIN THIS MASTER PLAN.
THERE'S ALSO, UM, A CHURCH WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN NORTH POINT COMMUNITY CHURCH.
THE MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT FROM OH EIGHT INCLUDED CONDITIONS OF ZONING REQUIRING A 100 FOOT UND DISTURBED BUFFER ALONG NORTH POINT PARKWAY AND KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD.
OUR MISCELLANEOUS REGULATIONS IN OUR CODE ONLY REQUIRE A 40 FOOT UND DISTURBED BUFFER FOR A DATA CENTER.
UH, THAT CODE WAS WRITTEN AFTER, UM, THE APPROVAL OF THIS SITE.
UH, THOSE CONDITIONS OF ZONING ALSO HAD SPECIFIC SECURITY FENCING, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED MASTER PLAN ADMIN AND VARIANCE RECE SEEK TO REDUCE THE UNDERSTOOD BUFFER ALONG KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD TO 40 FEET WHERE THE UTILITY SUBSTATION IS PROPOSED, AND TO ALLOW 22 FOOT TALL SCREEN WALLS AROUND THE SUBSTATION TO SCREEN THEM.
THE REASON FOR THE 22 FEET IS THAT'S THE APPROXIMATE HEIGHT OF THE TALLEST EQUIPMENT AND THE UTILITY SUBSTATION.
AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS ALSO, UM, UH, HAS MADE A COMMITMENT TO PUT A 22 FOOT SCREEN WALL, UM, ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE OF THE GEORGIA POWER PROPERTY ACROSS KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD FROM THIS SITE.
SO IT'S LOCATED IN THIS GENERAL LOCATION.
THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS UTILITY SUBSTATION AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE SU SPECIAL USE ZONING DISTRICT, AND AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN ALL OTHER ZONING SHIRTS EXCEPT FOR MU, THE LAND OF DISTURBS PERMIT FOR THIS DATA CENTER EXPANSION WAS ACTUALLY ISSUED, UM, IN AUGUST OF 2024, UM, WITH SITE WORK BEGINNING IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS, UH, AFTER THAT SITE WORK BEGAN, GEORGIA POWER REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCT AN ONSITE GEORGE POWER ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION TO SERVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THAT WOULD FREE UP AVAILABLE CAPACITY AT THE OFFSITE GEORGE POWER SUBSTATION THAT WAS CURRENTLY SERVING THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE APPLICANT CEASED CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES PENDING THE OUTCOME OF THE PUBLIC HEARING REQUEST.
THAT'S BEFORE YOU, UM, WHEN STAFF RECEIVED THE APPLICANT'S INITIAL REQUEST, UH, WE HAD SOME CONCERNS INITIALLY AND WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE ALTERNATE LESS VISIBLE LOCATIONS FOR THE UTILITY SUBSTATION ON THE PROPERTY.
LET ME JUST GO QUICKLY TO THE SITE PLAN AND I'LL COME BACK TO THESE.
SO JUST TO ORIENT YOU REAL QUICKLY, THE, THIS IS THE EXISTING DATA CENTER HERE, THE PROPOSED 60,000 SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION, AND THEN THE UTILITY SUBSTATION IS PROPOSED AT THIS LOCATION HERE.
UM, BECAUSE AT THIS LOCATION, THE UTILITY SUBSTATION ENCROACHED 60 FEET INTO THAT 100 FOOT BUFFER.
WE DID ASK THE APPLICANT AND WE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS
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MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS.
WE ALSO ASKED THE APPLICANT IF AN ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCE WAS, UH, COULD BE, UM, ACCOMPLISHED AT THIS LOCATION.
AND SO THE APPLICANT DID COME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATE SITE PLAN, UH, SHOWING THE MOVING THE UTILITY SUBSTATION TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS GEORGIA POWER.
THE, THE CONNECTION TO THIS, UH, SUBSTATION WOULD BE FROM THIS 100 FOOT WIDE TRANSMISSION LINE EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALONG THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO CLEAR A SWATH OF 300 FEET IN ORDER TO CONNECT THOSE TRANSMISSION LINES TO THE UTILITY SUBSTATION.
AND THE TREES IN THAT LOCATION WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED, WOULD IMPACT POSSIBLY HUNDREDS, MAYBE IN THOUSANDS OF, OF TREES, UH, IN THAT AREA.
THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES, UM, IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
SO ULTIMATELY THE APPLICANT DID GO BACK TO THE LOCATION IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.
UH, THE APPLICANT ALSO DID PROVIDE, UH, INFORMATION REGARDING THE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCE.
UM, THEY HAD INDICATED THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS OVER, THERE'S OTHER TYPES OF ENERGY SOURCES THAT WE'VE SEEN USED AT OTHER DATA, DATA CENTER FACILITIES IN THE CITY.
UM, SOME OF THOSE, UM, ARE HYDROGEN FUEL CELLS WHERE THEY USE NATURAL GAS, UM, TO CREATE, UH, HYDROGEN TO FUEL.
UM, THE, UM, DATA CENTER, UM, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT IS AN VIABLE OPTION, UH, CONSIDERING THAT TYPE OF, UH, FACILITY CAUSES MORE, THERE'S MORE NOISE INVOLVED WITH THAT TYPE OF FACILITY.
THERE ARE EMISSIONS WITH THE BURNING OF THE NATURAL GAS.
AND ALSO, UH, APPLICANT NOTED THAT THE ELECTRIC ELECTRICAL GRID CONNECTION IS VIEWED AS THE MOST RELIABLE SOURCE.
AS I MENTIONED, WE DID LOOK AT OTHER DATA CENTERS IN THE CITY.
WE HAVE ABOUT 15 DATA CENTERS, UH, OPERATING IN THE SEA.
UH, WE DID NOT FIND ANY THAT HAD A ON ONSITE UTILITY SUBSTATION.
THEY'RE MOST LIKELY CONNECTED TO OFFSITE UTILITY SUBSTATIONS.
WE DID FIND EVIDENCE OF SEVERAL THAT DID USE THE FUEL CELL, UH, FUEL CELLS AT THEIR LOCATIONS.
SO GOING INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THE SITE PLAN, AGAIN, THE 60,000 SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION IS HERE WITH THE UTILITY SUBSTATION.
THE CORNER OF THAT UTILITY SUBSTATION ENCROACHES 60 FEET INTO THE 100 FOOT BUFFER.
SO IT GOES DOWN TO 40 FEET AT THIS POINT HERE.
UM, ABOUT TWO THIRDS THOUGH OF THE SCREEN WALLS, WHICH IS THE GREEN LINE AROUND THE SUBSTATION HERE ARE ACTUALLY, UM, GREATER THAN A HUNDRED FEET, UH, SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO TWO THIRDS OF THAT SCREEN WALL WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THAT BUFFER.
THE SUBSTATION IS APPROXIMATELY ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF.
THE AREA, WE MEASURED IT TO BE ABOUT 64,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AS IT'S SITUATED HERE, IT IS ADJACENT TO THAT 100 FOOT WIDE TRANSMISSION LINE EASEMENT FOR GEORGE POWER.
AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, NOTED THAT ON THE SITE PLAN, THE APPLICANT TALKS ABOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL ATIONS.
SO THIS GREEN AREA, SO FILLING IN THE EXISTING BUFFER, THE BUFFER IS, IS FAIRLY, UM, UM, NON-TRANSPARENT.
I GUESS I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, SAY, UM, UP UNTIL ABOUT THE, THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND IT STARTS TO GET A LITTLE BIT SPARSE AS YOU GET TO THE VERY NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY.
SO ADDITIONAL VEGETATION WILL BE, UH, NECESSARY IN THAT AREA AS IT RELATES TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO GOING BACK TO THE PROPOSAL THAT THE APPLICANT HAD MADE OUT, SCREENING THE EXISTING UTILITY SUBSTATION ON THE GEORGIA POWER PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, UM, THE SCREEN WALL, UH, FOR THAT, UM, PROPERTY WOULD BE SET BACK ABOUT 50 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, GEORGIA POWER SITE HAS A DIFFERENT RIGHT OF WAY LINE.
IT ACTUALLY GOES IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS EXISTING, UH, SIDEWALK.
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AND THEN IT'S NOTED, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS PICTURE TOO BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF EXISTING VEGETATION, UH, BETWEEN SIDEWALK AND THE SUBSTATION TODAY.AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SCREEN WALL ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LITTLE VEGETATION EXISTING TODAY.
UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S SETBACK, UH, SUFFICIENTLY.
UM, AND THE EXISTING VEGETATION WILL IMMEDIATELY HELP IT BLEND INTO THE SURROUNDINGS.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A TREE SURVEY AND ASSESSMENT WITH THE APPLICATION 17 SPECIMEN TREES ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS ONE SPECIMEN TREE THAT WILL BE REMOVED WITH THE EXPANSION, THE 60,000 SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION.
THIS AREA OF THE PROPERTY HERE, IT'S ALREADY BEEN CLEARED AND GRADED, AND THERE WAS ONE SPECIMEN TREE THAT WAS SAVED ON THAT GRADED PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WILL COME OUT.
UH, THERE ARE NO SPECIMEN TREES IN THE AREA OF THE UTILITY SUBSTATION AND THERE IS EXISTING STORMWATER FACILITIES ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, IMPROVEMENTS ARE PROPOSED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
I'LL SHOW YOU SOME OF THE SCREEN WALL DETAILS THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, PROVIDED.
SO THEY PROVIDED THIS, AND THIS IS UPDATED FROM THE SCREEN WALL EXHIBIT THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING, UM, WITH THE MANUFACTURER OF THE SCREEN WALL TO FIND THAT THEY NEEDED TO FIND A PRODUCT THAT WAS, UM, NON-CONDUCTIVE.
UM, GIVEN THAT THEY'RE, UM, PUTTING IT AROUND AN ELECTRIC ELECTRICAL FACILITY.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES TO THE SCREEN WALL THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
I'LL LET THE APPLICANT GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED, UM, BROUGHT WITH THEM AN EXAMPLE OR A SAMPLE OF THE MATERIAL, UH, THIS EVENING.
SO THIS IS LOOKING AT THE EXISTING GEORGIA POWER SUBSTATION ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THIS IS SHOWING EXISTING WITH NO SCREENING, AND THEN THIS IS SHOWING, THIS IS SHOWING AFTER THE SCREEN WALL AS WELL AS 10 YEARS OF GROWTH.
UM, IF YOU LOOK IMMEDIATELY OVER TO THE EXISTING TO THE RIGHT OF THE EXISTING, THIS WOULD BE THE SCREEN WALL GOING IN WITH THE EXISTING, UM, VEGETATION AND THEN THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
SO LOOKING AT THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY FROM KIMBALL BRIDGE TOWARDS THE PROPOSED UTILITY SUBSTATION, THIS IS EXISTING HERE.
THEN THE WALL, I'LL, I'LL GO TO THIS PHOTO, UH, TO THESE TWO PHOTOS.
THE WALL HAS BEEN PLACED IN BETWEEN THE EXISTING VEGETATION.
THE 10 YEAR GROWTH OPTION SHOWS YOU THE EVERGREEN, UH, PLANTINGS GROWING IN AND THEN SHOWS YOU THE TOP OF THE SCREEN WALL IN COMPARISON.
AND THEN THIS IS JUST A VIEW OF THE SITE.
SO THIS IS THE SITE HERE FROM HIGHER UP, LIKE ON THE BRIDGE, OVER 400 ON KIMBALL BRIDGE.
LOOKING INTO THE SITE, UM, TOWARDS THE SCREEN WALL KIND OF GIVES YOU, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THE SCREEN WALL, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL DASHED IN THERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE PRODUCT, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT IS, UM, PROPOSING AT THIS POINT CALLED SAFE FENCE.
IT'S A NON-CONDUCTIVE BARRIER AND I WILL LET THE APPLICANT GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THIS MATERIAL.
AND SO AS WE LOOKED AT THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THE MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT, CONDITIONAL USE AND VARIANCE, WE BELIEVE PROPOSAL WOULD BE SUITABLE, UH, USE AND VIEW OF THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF ADJACENT AND NEARBY PROPERTIES, SOME BEING ALSO DEVELOPED WITH DATA CENTERS.
THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER EXPANSION WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN 2008, AND THERE ARE OTHER DATA CENTERS OPERATING IN RURAL 400.
SCREEN WALLS AND LANDSCAPE SCREENING ARE PROPOSED TO SCREEN SUBSTATION AS WELL AS THE SUBSTATION ON THE GEORGIA POWER PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS FOR THE UTILITY SUBSTATION WOULD RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT TREE IMPACTS.
THE PROPOSED EXPANSION WAS PERMITTED AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE TIME THAT GEORGIA POWER REQUIRED THE APPLICANT TO, TO CONSTRUCT THE ONSITE UTILITY SUBSTATION AND THAT SUBSTATION WOULD SERVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ONLY AND WOULD FREE UP AVAILABLE CAPACITY AT THE OFFSITE GEORGIA POWER SUBSTATION THAT IS CURRENTLY SERVING THIS PROPERTY.
BASICALLY THIS IS, UH, THE ONSITE UTILITY SUBSTATION IS PLACING THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF THE ELECTRICAL GRID UPGRADE WITH THE DATA CENTER AND NOT WITH THE ENERGY PROVIDER
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OR ITS CUSTOMERS.AND AS IT RELATES TO THE VARIANCE, THE PROPERTY HAS EXCEPTIONAL AND PECULIAR KITCHENS RELATED TO ITS SIZE SHAPED TOPOGRAPHY, AS WELL AS THE 100 FOOT GEORGIA POWER TRANSMISSION LINE EASEMENT.
SCREEN WALLS ARE SET BACK AT A MINIMUM 40 FEET FROM KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD WITH NEARLY TWO THIRDS OF THE SCREEN WALL SET BACK AT LEAST A HUNDRED FEET.
THE EXISTING VEGETATION BETWEEN THE PROPOSED GREEN WALL AND KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD WILL HELP THE WALL BLEND INTO THE SURROUNDING SOONER.
AND IF APPROVED, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT LANDSCAPE SCREENING MATERIAL, UM, IN PLACE IN LIEU OF THE SCREEN WALL ON THE GEORGIA POWER, UM, SITE.
SO NO, NO SCREEN WALL ON THE GEORGIA POWER SITE ONLY, UH, LANDSCAPE SCREENING MATERIAL.
AND THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT INDICATING THAT THEY'D RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, STAFF DID RECEIVE A COUPLE EMAILS FROM THE PUBLIC INQUIRING ABOUT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, PROPOSAL, BUT WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND THEN THE ITEM WAS SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC AT THE JUNE 10TH CZIM, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THAT MEETING AND WHAT THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTS SUBJECT TO THE 29, UH, CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORTING YOUR PACKETS, I WANT TO NOTE THAT THE FIRST 24 CONDITIONS, CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH 24 ARE THE CONDITIONS FROM THE 2008 MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT FILE.
THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY IN 2008.
AND SO WE SHOWED ALL 24 OF THOSE AND CHANGES TO SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
AND SO CONDITION ONE WAS AMENDED.
UM, WE ADDED THE PROPERTY SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE EXISTING DATA CENTER AND THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER EXPANSION.
THAT CHANGE WAS PLACED IN THERE BECAUSE REMEMBER IN 2008 THERE WAS ALSO A SIX STORY OFFICE BUILDING THAT WAS APPROVED AT THE CORNER.
WE, IN THAT OFFICE BUILDING WAS ON A, AT A SIMILAR FOOTPRINT TO THE UTILITY SUBSTATION.
SO WE'RE EFFECTIVELY REMOVING THAT ENTITLEMENT OF THAT OFFICE BUILDING WITH THAT CHANGE TO CONDITION.
ONE, SAME THING ON FOUR STRIKING CONDITION.
FOUR REMOVES THAT FUTURE OFFICE BUILDING.
THE CHANGE TO CONDITION SIX ALLOWS FOR THE UTILITY SUBSTATION TO ENCROACH UP TO 60 FEET INTO THE 100 FOOT UNDISTURBED BUFFER AS DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN PREPARED BY LOW ENGINEERS REVISED 9 16 26.
WE ALSO AT, AT THE END OF THAT, UH, CONDITION NUMBER SIX, WE ADDED AREAS OF THE UNDISTURBED BUFFER BETWEEN KIMMEL BRIDGE ROAD AND THE SCREEN WALLS SURROUNDING THE UTILITY SUBSTATION SHALL BE HEAVILY REPLANTED TO CITY BUFFER STANDARDS OR SPARSE IN ORDER TO OBSCURE THE OB UH, UTILITIES SUBSTATION AND BUILDING FROM STREET VIEWS.
WE ALSO HAD A CHANGE TO CONDITION NUMBER 13 RELATED TO THE SCREEN WALLS.
CONDITION 13 ADDRESSED THE SECURITY FENCE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE SCREEN WALLS, BUT THIS WAS A GOOD LOCATION TO PLACE IT.
UM, IT DOES ALLOW FOR THE 20 FOOT, 22 FOOT TALL SCREEN WALLS ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT THE LAST SENTENCE SAYS, IN LIEU OF THE SCREEN WALLS ON THE GEORGIA POWER PROPERTY, DEVELOPERS SHALL PLAN A 20 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO CITY BUFFER STANDARDS FOR THE LENGTH OF THE EXISTING UTILITY SUBSTATION ALONG KIMBALL RIDGE ROAD WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB.
AND EVERYTHING HERE IS FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB.
UM, THE SCREEN WALLS, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT AS WELL.
AND THEN THAT'S, THAT'S THE END OF THE CHA UH, CHANGES TO THE, UM, ORIGINAL 24 CONDITIONS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY.
WE ARE RE RECOMMENDING, UM, FIVE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.
CONDITION NUMBER 25 UTILITY SUBSTATION SHALL BE ADDED AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE ROYAL 400 MASTER PLAN.
26 UTILITY SUBSTATION SHALL BE ADDED AS CONDITIONAL USE AT 49 0 5 NORTH POINT PARKWAY AND LIMITED TO THE LOCATION SIZE DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN PREPARED BY LOW ENGINEERS REVISED 9 16 26 27.
UTILITY SUBSTATION SHALL ONLY SERVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THERE SHALL BE NO ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS MADE TO THE UTILITY SUBSTATION.
SO BASICALLY WE DID NOT WANT, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT OTHER PROPERTIES WEREN'T GOING TO TRY TO CONNECT INTO THIS SUBSTATION SO THAT YOU HAD LIKE A MISHMASH OF WIRES GOING IN ALL DIRECTIONS.
THOSE WIRES REQUIRE EASEMENTS, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT ADDITIONAL TREES.
SO THAT IS THE REASON FOR THAT CONDITION.
CONDITION 28, A DEVELOPER SHALL PERFORM A NOISE STUDY ON THE UTILITY SUBSTATION TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH SHALL BE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE
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OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE DATA CENTER.THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING THIS, THE SITE IS, IS SUBJECT TO OUR NOISE ORDINANCE.
WE JUST ADDED THIS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WEREN'T ANY ISSUES OR ANY KIND OF MITIGATION MEASURES, UH, NEEDED AROUND THE SUBSTATION SO THAT THERE WASN'T ANY IMPACT SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND THEN CONDITION NUMBER 29, UH, TIES, UM, THE TREE SAVES, UM, ON THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN, UH, TO THAT CONDITION.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR OUR PRESENTATION.
THE FIRST ONE IS ON, UH, ISSUE NUMBER SIX.
I DO NOT SEE WHETHER THERE IS, UH, APPROVAL BY STAFF ON THE UNDISTURBED BUFFER.
COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU REFERRING TO MAYBE AT THE, WITH THE FINAL SENTENCE? YES.
AS APPROVED BY STAFF? CORRECT.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS GENERAL REGARDING THE 500 FOOT RADIUS FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, UH, THE NOTIFICATION, WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? 500 FOOT RADIUS ESTABLISHED? THE 500 FOOT RADIUS CITIZENS PARTICIPATION PLAN.
SO THERE'S IT'S STATE, IT'S THE RESULT OF STATE REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN WE HAVE LOCAL REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
WHAT IS THE, THE, THE DISTANCES? THE STATE AND THE LOCAL, IT'S 500 FEET.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE A 500 FOOT BUFFER, UM, FOR OUR MAILING LIST AND IT PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR EXAMPLE, AND MAYBE JUST LEAVES OUT A FEW PROPERTIES, WE'LL ADD THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES, BUT WE ADD A MINIMUM, WE HAVE TO MEET THE 500 FEET.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SO WOULD THAT HAVE INCLUDED EMPIRE THE HOMES ACROSS DIAGONALLY FROM, IS THAT WITHIN THE 500 FEET LIMIT? UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'D HAVE TO CHECK OUR BUFFER MAP.
AND VERIZON ACROSS THE STREET.
SO YES, IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT WOULD PICK UP, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I SUSPECT UNLESS ANY OF THESE LOTS HAVE SOLD RECENTLY, THERE'S POTENTIAL, UM, THAT THEY MAY NOT, THAT THE HOME BUILDER WAS NOTIFIED AND NOT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE OFTEN SEE THAT IT TAKES FULTON COUNTY A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO GET UPDATE THE INFORMATION.
I HAVEN'T CHECKED THESE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES TO SEE IF THEY'VE BEEN, UM, UPDATED TO A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER OR IF IT'S THE HOMEOWNER, UH, HOME BUILDER.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION, UH, MR. WOODMAN, UM, AND I MISSED THIS IN MY MY PREPARATION.
SO I, I HAVE A FEELING THIS MAY BE A A DUMB QUESTION, BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IT.
WHY, WHY IS THE APPLICANT WILLING TO INSTALL THE LANDSCAPE SCREENING MATERIAL IN FRONT OF THE SUBSTATION ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S ON GEORGIA POWER PROPERTY AND NOT THEIR PROPERTY? SO WHEN THE APPLICATION INITIALLY CAME INTO US, WE HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE COMING DOWN KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD WITH AN EXISTING SUBSTATION ON ONE SIDE, AND THEN THEIR PROPOSED SUBSTATION ON THE OTHER SIDE.
IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THEIR BOOKEND AND THESE UTILITY SUBSTATIONS REALLY HAVE THAT KIND OF LIKE INDUSTRIAL FEEL AND LOOK TO THEM.
AND SO WE WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT LOOK LIKE, AND WE, WE VOICE THOSE CONCERN TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT.
WE ASK THEM TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT, UM, OTHER LOCATIONS ON THE PROPERTY THAT COULD, THAT HAD, YOU KNOW, WERE LESS VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.
UM, WE LOOKED AT, WE ASKED THEM TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCE WHEN THEY CAME BACK WITH THE INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDED, THEY HEARD US AND THEY, AND THEY SAID, OKAY, WE, WE NEED TO DO MORE TO SCREEN SCREEN THESE FACILITIES.
AND THEY HEARD OUR CONCERN WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE GEORGIA, THE EXISTING SUBSTATION LOOKS LIKE TODAY FROM THE ROAD.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY BROUGHT BACK TO US.
I HAD A QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, REALLY FOR THE RECORD, THAT IN NUMBER 27 IT INDICATES THAT THE, UM, SUBSTATION WILL ONLY SERVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SO AGAIN, FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE COMMUNITY WHO'S PAYING FOR THE SUBSTATION.
AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS, WILL THAT ANY OF THE
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USE OF THE ELECTRICITY OR POWER BE PRORATED TO ALL THE USERS OF LET'S SAY, GEORGIA POWER, WHOEVER THE PROVIDER IS? OR IS IT SIMPLY JUST THE DATA CENTER? I I WOULD DEFER THAT QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
JUST ANOTHER QUESTION RELATED TO THAT QUESTION BY COMMISSIONER PERKINS.
UM, IF I NET THIS OUT RIGHT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS NOT THE RESULT OF THE DATA CENTER PROPER WANTING TO EXPAND AND ADD A SUBSTATION.
THIS IS REALLY THE RESULT OF A GEORGIA POWER REQUIREMENT THAT THEY ADD A SUBSTATION TO THEIR PROPERTY.
IS THAT YEAH, THE ORIGINAL, THE LDP THAT WAS APPROVED, THE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2024 DID NOT CONSIDER UTILITY SUBSTATION.
THE APPLICANT HAD DID NOT CONSIDER THAT WHATSOEVER.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT GEORGIA POWER REQUIRED.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT WAS REQUIRED BUT IN THE WORDING, WE HAVE GEORGIA POWER RE REQUESTED THIS NOT REQUIRED THIS SUBSTATION.
SO THE PAPERWORK WE HAVE SHOWS AGAIN, REQUESTED, NOT REQUIRED.
IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT GEORGIA POWER IS, IS, IS REQUIRING THIS SUBSTATION WITH THIS, WITH THIS PROPOSED EXPANSION.
BUT AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND OKAY.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT.
OKAY, THANK YOU MICHAEL, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.
THE, UM, THE RENDERING OR THAT YOU SHOWED OF THE NEW SCREEN FENCE OR WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING IT, SCREEN WALL MM-HMM
UM, THAT LOOKS SO BASED ON THE SCREEN WALLS THAT WERE PRESENTED IN OUR APPLICATION THAT WERE GREEN NOT RIGHT.
YEAH, I HAVE THOSE TO SHOW AS WELL.
MY, MY QUESTION IS BASED ON THE STAFF CONDITION NUMBER 13 THAT DEALS WITH THE SCREEN WALLS, SEEING THAT THEY'RE PRESENTING A DIFFERENT PRODUCT.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE CONDITION? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
I DID NOTE THAT, 'CAUSE I BELIEVE THAT CONDITION SAYS THE SUBMITTED MATERIAL, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST.
THERE IS A DATE ON THAT MATERIAL OF SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2026.
SO MAYBE THAT AFTER SUBMITTED MATERIALS DATED SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2026.
AND, UM, STAFF IS, IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE NEW PRODUCT THAT'S BEING PRESENTED THERE? YOU KNOW, WE, WE DIDN'T THINK THAT IT LOOKED AS NICE AS WHAT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED.
AND THESE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED.
ONE HAD KIND OF LIKE A TREE CANOPY PATTERN ON THE WALL AND THE OTHER ONE WAS ALMOST LIKE A CROSS HATCH PATTERN ON THE WALL.
UM, BUT WE, THAT CONDITION TIES IT TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, UM, FINAL APPROVAL, BUT BY DESIGN REBO REVIEW BOARD.
AND WE DO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR ABILITY TO GET THE WALL RIGHT.
IS IT FAIR TO SAY THE COLOR THAT'S REPRESENTED ON WHAT YOU SHOWED US EARLIER IS NOT THE FINAL COLOR? I WOULD NOT EXPECT TO SEE THIS COLOR.
I I THINK THAT MAYBE THE COLOR OF THE SAMPLE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS IS GONNA BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BLEND IN WITH THE EXISTING VEGETATIVE.
SHOULD TRY TO DISAPPEAR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS CONCERNING ONE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, UM, FROM THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, UH, CONDITION NUMBER NINE.
YOU AND I CHATTED ABOUT THIS THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, DO YOU WANNA, CAN YOU READ THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE DIDN'T READ THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
CONDITION NUMBER NINE STATES ALL LOADING AREAS AND COOLING EQUIPMENT SHALL BE SCREENED WITH A WALL BUILT WITH THE SAME MATERIALS AS THE BUILDING AS WELL AS LAND LANDSCAPE SCREENING.
IN ADDITION TO OBSCURING THE VIEW, THE SCREEN WALL AROUND THE COOLING, COOLING EQUIPMENT SHALL BE DESIGNED TO PREVENT THE TRANSMISSION OF EITHER HIGH-PITCHED OR LOW LEVEL SOUNDS GENERATED BY ANY EQUIPMENT AT THIS LOCATION FROM EXTENDING BEYOND THE PROPERTY LIMITS.
SO I HAD ASKED ABOUT WHY WE WERE JUST CALLING OUT COOLING EQUIPMENT, UM, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT IN THIS AREA LIKE GENERATORS AND MAYBE TRANSFORMERS AND OTHER TYPES OF THINGS.
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UM, I THINK WE WOULD WANT ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT TO BE SUBJECT TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO HERE IN REGARDS TO THE, THE SOUND PROTECTION AND SO FORTH.SO I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE IF WE EXPAND THE COOLING EQUIPMENT TO POWER LING EQUIPMENT? I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I DEFINITELY WOULD INTERESTED IN WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
BUT I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION AGAIN IS BASED ON THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING, BUT I THINK FOR THE PUBLIC IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND, UM, CONDITION NUMBER TWO, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE REQUIRED TO BUILD UP TO 394 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES IN THE FUTURE IF THE CITY DETERMINES AND CAN DOCUMENT THAT A PARKING SHORTAGE EXISTS.
UM, HOW, WHAT'S THE THEORY ON MAKING THAT REQUIREMENT AS A CONDITION? SO THIS, THE CONDITIONS, UM, THAT WERE PLACED ON THIS PROPERTY WERE DONE BEFORE WE HAD THE MISCELLANEOUS REGULATIONS FOR, FOR DATA CENTERS.
AFTER THAT, WE DID BRING THAT CODE, UH, CHANGE FORWARD WITHIN THOSE MISCELLANEOUS REGULATIONS.
WE DO ALLOW FOR DATA CENTERS TO NOT PROVIDE, UH, THE FULL COMPLEMENT OF PARKING ON SITE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO FEW EMPLOYEES AT THE LOCATION.
BUT THE FEAR IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN DATA TECHNOLOGY GETS TO A CERTAIN POINT AND THESE DATA CENTERS ARE NO LONGER, UH, NEEDED, THAT THEY WILL BE TRIED, THAT THEY WILL BE CONVERTED INTO OFFICE BUILDINGS.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WEREN'T GONNA BE CONVERTED TO LIKE A WAREHOUSE.
UM, SO WE RE OUR MISCELLANEOUS REGULATIONS AND THIS PARTICULAR CONDITION OF ZONING THAT YOU CALLED OUT TO BASICALLY REQUIRES THAT DATA CENTERS PUT, DO A LAND SET ASIDE ON THEIR SITE FOR FUTURE PARKING SO THAT IF THE DATA CENTER GOES AWAY, IT CAN BE EASILY CONVERTED TO AN OFFICE BUILDING AND THE PARKING CAN BE BUILT TO SUPPORT THAT OFFICE BUILDING.
SO THEY'RE NOT BUILDING THE, THOSE SPACES TODAY.
THEY'RE NOT BUILDING THOSE SPACES SET ASIDE, IT'S SET ASIDE ON THE PROPERTY.
SOME OF MY QUESTIONS ARE PROBABLY BETTER SUITED FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT, UM, AS FAR AS THE TRANSMISSION LINES WITH THIS NEW SUBSTATION, DO YOU KNOW, WILL THE EXISTING TRANSMISSION LINES GO AWAY? ARE WE ADDING MORE TRANSMISSION LINES TO THIS WHEN WE ADD THE SUBSTATION OR WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN EXHIBIT HERE.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WOULD BE A, SO THE TRANSMISSION LINE EASEMENT RUNS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT UTILITY SUBSTATION IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT.
SO THE LINE SHOULD BE GOING FROM THE LINES RUNNING ALONG HERE DIRECTLY TO HERE.
SO THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL LINES WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I REALLY WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT IF THEY, IF THEY CAN EXPLAIN THAT.
BUT THE CONNECTION SHOULD BE AT THIS LOCATION ONLY.
I'LL, I'LL DEFER THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT THEN.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, MICHAEL, WE ARE GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION.
UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MICHAEL STAFF, THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.
GI PARTNERS IS, UH, INSTITUTIONAL REAL ESTATE ASSET MANAGEMENT FIRM.
WE MANAGE THE, UH, CAPITAL FOR MOSTLY PENSION FUNDS, UH, PUBLIC RETIREMENT SYSTEMS. WE'RE A LONG-TERM HOLDER OF REAL ESTATE.
UH, WE'RE THE OWNER, AS YOU KNOW, HERE, UH, OF THIS ASSET, 4 9 0 5 NORTH POINT PARKWAY.
UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO SORT OF GIVE A VERY BRIEF REASON MICHAEL, DESCRIBE THE PROJECT, UM, PRETTY THOROUGHLY AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS SINCE 2009 WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, UM, TECHNOLOGY'S CHANGED.
OUR FACILITY HAS MULTIPLE USERS IN THERE AND IT'S PACKED TO THE GILLS.
WE'VE GOT, UM, EQUIPMENT THAT HAS BEEN INSTALLED OUTSIDE.
A LOT OF THAT IS JUST RELATED TO THE CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY.
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CHANGE HAS OUTPACED THE, UH, THE DESIGN INTENT HERE.AND OUR REASON FOR BEING HERE IS SO THAT WE CAN PLACE THIS SUBSTATION ON SITE AND AND ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF OUR TENANTS.
UM, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT, UH, I'M HAPPY TO GET INTO, UH, IN A SECOND.
BUT I WOULD SORT OF PUT FORTH THE MAIN REASON WHY WE HAVE STUCK WITH THIS LOCATION, UH, IS TO AVOID FURTHER REMOVAL OF TREES.
UM, THE TRANSMISSION LINE THAT YOU SAW THERE, IF WE WERE TO PLACE THAT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WE HAVE MULTIPLE FEEDS, TWO 30 AV FEEDS THAT COME OFF OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, AND SO THAT HAS TRIGGERED, WOULD TRIGGER THE NEED FOR A SUBSTANTIAL RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THAT YOU SAW ON THE, UH, DRAWING THERE.
AND THAT'S FOR SAFETY FOR FORESTRY, FOR, FOR SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE.
UM, WE'VE ALSO HEARD THE CONCERNS, UH, THAT STAFF HAS RAISED THAT KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD WOULD START TO LOOK LIKE A, UH, SUBSTATION CORRIDOR.
AND, UM, WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, WE ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
SO WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO SCREEN THE EXISTING SUBSTATION AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY BEING ABLE TO WORK, UH, FURTHER WITH THE CITY TO COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT IS PALATABLE AND, AND GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.
BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO ACTUALLY HELP AND IMPROVE.
AND SO WE HAVE SUGGESTED WORKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE THE KIMBALL BRIDGE SUBSTATION IS.
AND SO WE, WE DID SUGGEST PUTTING SCREENING THERE.
UM, BUT UH, IF NOT STRUCTURAL SCREENING, UH, SUBSTANTIAL VEGETATIVE PLANTINGS THERE.
WE'VE MET WITH GEORGIA POWER, UH, THEIR FORESTRY TEAM, THEIR TRANSMISSION TEAM, THEIR STRUCTURES TEAM, UM, AND THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
SO WE THINK THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING THERE THAT HELPS THIS AREA.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PROJECT OR, OR ANYTHING.
UH, IN ADDITION, JUST QUICKLY TO START OFF, THIS IS A SAMPLE OF THE PROPOSED SCREEN.
INITIALLY WE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT HAS A BIT MORE TEXTURE.
UH, WHAT WE LEARNED IS THAT IS MADE OF ALUMINUM OR A A ALUMINUM ALLOY COMPOSITE.
AND SO WE WORKED, UH, WITH THE MANUFACTURER TO FIND A NON-CONDUCTIVE MATERIAL.
IF WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE MORE, UH, DESIGN OPTIONS.
UM, SO WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT WEDDED TO THIS.
UH, AND WE ARE HAPPY TO WORK THE CITY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT NICER.
UH, WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO DO IT IN A FLATTER COLOR TO REMOVE SOME OF THAT, UH, REFLECTIVITY ON IT.
UH, REALLY OUR INTENT HERE IS TO, UM, MAKE EVERYTHING CAMOUFLAGE SO THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN KIMBO BRIDGE, YOUR EYES JUST DO NOT GO TO IT.
AND SO THAT'S WITH A COMBINATION OF THE STRUCTURED SCREENING AS WELL AS VEGETATIVE PLANTINGS.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT, THAT YOU HAVE JUST BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS.
ONE COMMENT BASED ON THE QUESTIONS EARLIER, UH, REGARDING THE REVISION TO CONDITION NINE ABOUT SCREENING ALL EQUIPMENT AREAS.
UM, AND I THINK THE APPLICANT IS FINE WITH THAT, UH, AMENDMENT WITH ONE SMALL COMMENT.
UM, NINE SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE SCREENED, A WALL BUILT WITH THE SAME MATERIALS AS THE BUILDING.
UM, AND WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY OR, OR AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
'CAUSE THAT'S, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY EXPANDING THE TYPES OF EQUIPMENT, SO THANK YOU.
UM, THE FACADE IS SORT OF A CONCRETE BASED PRECAST, AND THE SCREENING ON THE ROOF WOULD BE, IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE ACOUSTIC MITIGATION PROPERTIES THAT WE NEED, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT AESTHETICALLY IT WOULD BLEND, UH, WITH THE BUILDING.
UM, IT WOULD JUST BE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT MATERIAL SO WE COULD ACHIEVE THAT ACOUSTIC MITIGATION.
SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AND FIRST OF ALL, LET ME PREFACE THAT I, THIS IS TOTALLY OUT OF MY COMFORT ZONE.
SO I'M GONNA ASK QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT SEEM, UM, SIMPLE
BUT I DO WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND TOO, AS MUCH AS, UM, MY, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HELP EDUCATE US A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS CURRENTLY NOT AN AI DATA CENTER, RIGHT? IT IS.
IT SERVES A COUPLE LOCAL CLIENTS WITH THE SUBSTATION.
UH, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT ADDING MORE CLIENTS AND WOULD YOU CONSIDER A BEING A AI DATA CENTER AT THAT POINT? SURE.
THIS IS NOT THE AI DATA CENTERS THAT YOU ARE, EVERYONE'S READING ABOUT THESE DAYS.
UM, THIS IS SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER.
THIS FACILITY WAS ORIGINALLY SET UP.
UH, IT SERVES SORT OF FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS.
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PROCESSES, THINGS LIKE THAT.UM, AS YOU CAN BE ON PUBLIC RECORDS, THERE'S A FINANCIAL SERVICES FIRM IN THERE, UM, MORGAN STANLEY, THERE'S MICROSOFT, THERE'S CORE WEAVE.
UM, THIS DOES NOT, THIS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FIT THE LARGE AI WORKLOADS THAT, THAT YOU HEAR ABOUT.
UM, THOSE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY DENSER WORKLOADS, MEANING THE, UH, AMOUNT OF WATTS PER FOOT IS SUBSTANTIALLY DENSER.
IT REQUIRES SIGNIFICANTLY MORE COOLING.
UM, WE JUST WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, ACCOMMODATE THAT HERE.
IF AI AND CHAT GPT NEVER CAME OUT, WE WOULD STILL LIKELY NEED THIS EXPANSION.
UM, I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE NEW TECHNOLOGY, UM, BUT ALSO BE COGNIZANT OF THINGS LIKE WATER USAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE ARE, UM, THE PROPOSED OR THE APPROVED DATA CENTER WILL BE A CLOSED LOOP COOLING SYSTEM, SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCES WATER CONSUMPTION.
UH, IN FACT, THERE IS NO CONSUMPTION AFTER IT IS INITIALLY FILLED, BUT IT REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT IN POWER.
UH, AND TO THE QUESTION EARLIER, IF, UM, THIS IS REQUESTED OR REQUIRED BY GEORGIA POWER, UM, IT IS REQUIRED TO ACCOMMODATE THE WORKLOADS AND THE COOLING THAT, YOU KNOW, CURRENT TECHNOLOGIES ARE REQUIRING.
SO IT, UH, I GUESS I WOULD PUT IT THAT WAY.
I IT IS, IT IS NOT AN AI DATA CENTER, THAT'S CORRECT.
NO, I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE REQUIREMENT OF GEORGIA POWER, UH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
IT, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED BECAUSE TO HAVE YOUR OWN SUBSTATION.
ARE YOU REQUIRED TO HAVE THE SUBSTATION ON PREMISE? YES.
THE KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD SUBSTATION IS EFFECTIVELY TAPPED OUT.
AND SO BY BUILDING THIS DATA CENTER HERE, WHICH IS ENTIRELY FUNDED TO THE, YOUR OTHER QUESTION, UH, IS ENTIRELY FUNDED BY US, THE APPLICANT, AND THE POWER, UH, IS EFFECTIVELY A TAKE OR PAY.
SO THE POWER THAT HAS BEEN LOCKED IN THROUGH THAT SERVICE AGREEMENT, UH, WILL REQUIRE THE OWNER TO PAY FOR THAT, THAT WILL NOT BE PASSED ON TO CONSUMERS.
SO WORK WITH ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, DATA.
YOU KNOW, DATA CENTERS ARE CERTAINLY A HOT TOPIC AMONGST EVERYBODY.
UM, AND WHEN WE APPROVED THIS BACK IN 2008, CERTAINLY WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF VISION AS TO WHAT THE TOPIC WOULD BE TODAY.
SO CERTAINLY WE, AS OF 2026, WE NOW HAVE A SUBDIVISION DIAGONALLY ACROSS FROM YOU AND WE HAVE A LOT OF OFFICE SURROUNDING YOUR SPACE.
SO FROM A SAFETY POINT OF VIEW, WITH THIS NEW SUBSTATION, WHICH WE DIDN'T ENVISION HAVING IN 2008, UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY AS FAR AS THE MAGNETIC FIELD AS FAR AS, UM, THE HUM OR THE BUZZING, THE NOISE, YOU KNOW, HELP, HELP US FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING ANOTHER SUBSTATION CLOSER THAN THE, THE CURRENT ONE WE HAVE ON KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD.
UM, THE FIRST THING I CAN SPEAK TO, UM, WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE KNOWLEDGE IS THE SOUND.
AS, AS YOU KNOW, UM, TRANSFORMERS DO HAVE A VERY LOW, UH, LOW PITCHED HUM IF YOU ARE CLOSE TO THEM THAT YOU CAN HEAR.
UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS HERE THAT WILL NOT MAKE THAT AN ISSUE AND WE CAN ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE ACOUSTIC STUDY.
UM, AS, AS MICHAEL REFERENCED, UM, THE BIGGEST THING IS THE SCREEN WALL.
UM, THAT WILL PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL ACOUSTIC MITIGATION AS WELL AS THE, UH, VEGETATION THAT WILL GO AROUND IT, AS WELL AS THE, THE DISTANCE, UH, FROM THE LOT LINE THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET OR MORE FROM THE TRANSFORMERS AND EVEN MORE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, NOISE WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE.
UH, IN TERMS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC FREQUENCY OR, OR, UM, EMF OR EMII, I'M NOT AS MUCH OF AN EXPERT ON THAT, BUT, UM, THE SUBSTATION THAT'S PROPOSED HERE IS, IS REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN MANY OF THE OTHER SUBSTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, BARD IS PLACED, IS NEAR AN OPERATING DATA CENTER AND A NUMBER OF OTHER FACILITIES NEARBY.
I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE EXACT FACTS, BUT THE PROXIMITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WILL POSE ANY THREAT TO THEM, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE DISTANCE.
UM, THERE'S NUMEROUS, UH, EXAMPLES OF OTHER SUBSTATIONS THAT ARE CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS.
UM, THIS ONE IS PRETTY FAR RELATIVE TO SOME OF THOSE, BUT, UH, EXACTLY THE EMF AND EMI, I CAN'T SPEAK
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TO IT EXACTLY, BUT I THINK JUST BASED ON OTHER PRECEDENT, WE DO NOT FORESEE ANY ISSUES.AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS THAT, UM, I THINK IS WORTHY OF, OF, UH, REPEATING AGAIN BECAUSE THE, THE BIG THINGS IS THE POWER USAGE, WHICH IS GONNA BE TAKEN UP BY THE SUBSTATION, BUT ALSO WATER USAGE.
AND SO YOU'RE USING A DIFFERENT TECHNIQUE THAN MOST OF THE OTHER, UM, DATA CENTERS, FOR INSTANCE, AI AND SOME OF OUR OTHER ONES IN EXISTENCE THAT ARE USING AN OPEN SYSTEM VERSUS THE CLOSED.
SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN, SO THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE THAT YOU'RE DOING IT DIFFERENTLY AND IT'S CONSUMING LESS WATER? I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE YEP.
UM, SO THE CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM, WE PLACE, UH, A NUMBER OF CHILLERS ON, USUALLY ON THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING.
THOSE CHILLERS ARE TIED INTO A LOOP THAT IS WATER OR, AND MAYBE SOME PERCENTAGE THAT IS GLYCOL.
UM, YOU FILL IT ONCE, ONCE IT'S INSTALLED AND SET UP, YOU FILL IT ONCE AND THE WATER EFFECT WATER AND GLYCOL EFFECTIVELY CIRCULATE FROM THE CHILLERS THROUGH THE BUILDING WHERE IT, IT PICKS UP, YOU KNOW, TEMPERATURE, IT RETURNS BACK TO THE CHILLER WHERE IT SORT OF EFFECTIVELY, UH, RUNS THROUGH A SERIES OF FANS THAT EFFECTIVELY BLOW AIR ACROSS THAT AND THEN IT RETURNS WITH COOLER AIR.
WHEREAS EVAPORATIVE, OLDER EVAPORATIVE TECHNOLOGIES, YOU CAPTURE TEMPERATURE AND THEN IT GOES AND EFFECTIVELY, UH, GOES INTO A, A, A COOLING TOWER WHERE THAT, UH, EVAPORATES, BUT WATER ALSO EVAPORATES.
NOW THOSE SYSTEMS ALSO NEED CHEMICAL INJECTIONS, UH, FOR, TO EFFECTIVELY MANAGE THE, THE LEVEL OF MINERALS IN THEM SO IT DOESN'T DEGRADE THE PIPING.
AND SO AS THOSE, AS THOSE CHEMICAL LEVELS INCREASE, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BLOW THAT DOWN.
AND SO YOU'RE REFILLING THE SYSTEM.
UM, THAT IS NOT THE SYSTEM WE ARE, ARE, ARE PUTTING HERE THIS EFFECTIVELY, ONCE IT'S FILLED, IT'S DONE AND UH, A DATA CENTER WILL CONSUME LESS WATER THEN, UH, A SMALL NUMBER OF, OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
YOU DID A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING.
I'VE JUST GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, REGARDING THE ALTERNATE LOCATIONS, THE, THE EXISTING THREE TRANSMISSION LINES OUT THERE, THEY HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT EASEMENT FOR THAT, CORRECT? I'M SORRY.
AND WE'RE TALKING THAT WE NEED A 300 FOOT EASEMENT AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR THE SUBSTATION.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHY WE'RE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE TIMES AS MUCH FOR THE SUBSTATION GOING OUT TO THE THREE TRANSMISSION LINES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TYING INTO? THAT'S WHAT YOU KNOW, YES, SIR.
SO THE PROPOSED LOCATION, UH, EFFECTIVELY IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT, IT'S RIGHT AT THE TRANSMISSION LINE.
SO YOU WILL HAVE FOUR TAPS OFF OF THOSE LINES, SO TO SPEAK.
UH, THE ISSUE HERE IS WE NEED AN IN AND AN OUTLINE.
SO IF YOU JUST SORT OF THINK OF AN ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT, UH, AND AGAIN, FULL DISCLOSURE, NOT ELECTRICIAN, UM, BUT OR AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, BUT TO COMPLETE THAT CIRCUIT, YOU NEED POWER IN, IT GOES THROUGH THE SUBSTATION, POWER TRANSMITS BACK OUT, AND SO THAT REQUIRES, UH, FOUR LINES AND EACH ONE OF THOSE LINES HAS ITS OWN DISTANCE FROM THE OTHER LINES, DISTANCE FROM TREES, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.
AND SO THE COMBINATION OF ALL THE LINES IS WHAT IS CAUSING THAT RIGHT OF WAY TO BE SO LARGE.
AND IT HAS TO BE CLEAR CUT BECAUSE THAT'S CORRECT.
AND IT HAS TO BE ROUTINELY MAINTAINED, CLEAR CUT SOME, UM, MECHANICALLY.
SOME COMPANIES MAY DO IT WITH, UH, HERBICIDES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, THIS LOCATION WILL AVOID ALL OF THAT.
AND SO THERE WOULD BE PROBABLY ADDITIONAL SORT OF CLEARING REQUIRED AS THOSE POLES GO IN, YOU NEED SPACE, GET EQUIPMENT IN THERE TO, TO POUR FOOTINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THOSE POLES WOULD SIT ON.
SO WE WOULD REALLY CLEAR A LOT OF SPACE.
THEN IF WE HAVE TO HAVE 300 FEET FOR THE ALTERNATE LOCATION, DO YOU HAVE 300 FEET FOR THE CURRENT LOCATION TO GET? DOESN'T THAT GET YOU BACK OUT TO KIMBALL BRIDGE AGAIN, TO THE CLEAR CUTTING? YOU MEAN IF WE WERE TO, IF YOU LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS, THE PROPOSED LOCATION MM-HMM
YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE 300 FEET WIDE TO GET TO THE TRANSMISSION LINES.
IN THE PROPOSED LOCATION THAT'S CORRECT.
NO, IN THE PROPOSED LOCATION THAT YOU WANT TO BUILD THIS, RIGHT? NOT THE ALTERNATE LOCATION, THE PROPOSED LOCATION, YOU DON'T HAVE A 300 FOOT WIDTH.
WE WOULD NOT HAVE THAT BECAUSE, UM, THAT RIGHT AWAY IS ALREADY CLEARED AND WE ARE DOING
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A SHORT TAP INTO THE EXISTING LINES.WELL, YOU'RE STILL GOING THROUGH A BUFFER, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CLEAR 300 FEET WIDE THROUGH THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
IF, UM, YEAH, IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SHOW THE MOUSE HERE.
I'M, I'M JUST UNDERSTANDING THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF IT.
AND SO RIGHT HERE YOU CAN SEE THIS IS, THIS IS THE HIGH SIDE, UH, WHERE THOSE LINES COME IN AND HERE'S THE RIGHT OF WAY WHERE THE EXISTING LINES ARE.
SO ALL WE ARE DOING HERE IS BASICALLY DOING A SHORT TAP INTO THOSE LINES INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS ALTERNATE SOLUTION HERE.
SO WE WILL NOT, UM, RIGHT HERE'S THE SUBSTATION, IT, IT TOUCHES THE GEORGIA POWER RIGHT AWAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CLEAR ANY ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR THIS LOCATION.
I HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON HIS QUESTION.
CAN THE TRANSMISSION MAINS BE UNDERGROUND THROUGH A DUCK BANK? UM, WE WOULD STILL, WE DID CONSIDER THAT, UM, AND WE WOULD STILL REQUIRE SUBSTANTIAL RIGHT OF WAYS.
UM, AND AGAIN, NOT SPEAKING AS, UH, AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, BUT THERE IS A THERMAL FACTOR TO RUNNING THOSE LINES UNDERGROUND.
UM, AND YOU ACTUALLY REQUIRE, UH, ADDITIONAL SPACING FOR THAT.
WHEREAS WHEN YOU ARE OVERHEAD, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT EFFECTIVELY EVERYTHING IS IS AIR INSULATED.
AND SO WE WOULD STILL END UP, UM, DOING SUBSTANTIAL CLEARING, UH, EXCAVATION.
WE WOULD ALSO NEED, UH, BASICALLY A, A UH, SET OF STRUCTURES WHERE THE LINES WOULD BEGIN TO GO UNDERGROUND AND THEN AFTER THEY COME UNDERGROUND YOU HAVE TO COME BACK UP.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF STRUCTURES THAT REQUIRE CLEARING THERE AS WELL.
UH, AND SO THAT IS, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, NOT A FEASIBLE OPTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M GONNA THROW OUT A TOTAL CURVE BALL.
UM, AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR DOING THAT BECAUSE THE EXISTING SUBSTATION IS HORRENDOUS, UM, VISUALLY.
UM, AND SO, UM, THINKING ABOUT THE CORNER OF KIMBALL AND NORTH POINT, AND I MIGHT ASK MICHAEL TO THROW UP ONE OF THE OVERHEADS THAT HE SHOWED US EARLIER, BUT THERE SEEMS, FROM WHAT I RECALL SEEING, THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL NICE CORNER AREA THERE WITH, UM, EXISTING, UM, FABULOUS LOOKING TREES, UM, AND LONG GRASS AND ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND I'M THINKING, UM, IT MIGHT OFFER ITSELF AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MAYBE SOME SORT OF A SCULPTURE ON THAT CORNER, UM, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE OUR EYE AWAY FROM ALL THE UTILITY STUFF THAT'S ON THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M MICHAEL JUST PUT IT UP THERE.
SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT, UM, AND I MAY ASK HIM TO GIVE ME SOME INSIGHT AS TO WHETHER THIS COULD FACILITATE IT OR NOT, BUT, UM, I I THINK IT WOULD BE A NICE ENHANCEMENT TO THAT CORNER.
UM, SO JUST CURIOUS IF THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU'D BE OPEN TO? UH, ABSOLUTELY WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE, UH, VERY OPEN TO WORKING WITH THE CITY ON SOMETHING THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, ENHANCES THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS.
UH, SO WE DO WANT TO FIND SOLUTIONS AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE, WHETHER IT'S ACROSS THE STREET ON, ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET, WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO OKAY.
WORKING WITH THE CITY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK THAT IT GOES TO SHOW YOUR WILLINGNESS TO HELP US WITH, UH, TRYING TO MITIGATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN HERE.
UM, BUT I, I THINK A SCULPTURE, SOME KIND OF BEAUTIFUL VISUAL, SOMETHING ON THE CORNER MIGHT BE AN ADDITIONAL HELPFUL BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE CHAIRMAN CONCURS.
ALRIGHT, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
I'M GOING TO, UH, OPEN THE MEETING FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND UH, I ASK YOU TO COME BACK FOR AL IF THERE IS ANY FOR THAT.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE COME FORWARD SEEING NONE THOSE IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
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NO ONE IN FAVOR AND NO ONE IN OPPOSITION.ALRIGHT, I CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? YOU HAD A FEW MINUTES LEFT.
ALRIGHT, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND OR A MOTION WE MIGHT NEED.
MICHAEL'S HELP ON COMING UP WITH A NUMBER 30 ON SOME KIND OF WORDING FOR THE SCULPTURE.
AND CAN YOU ALSO JUST SORT OF CONFIRM THAT THAT IS A, UM, POTENTIALLY A, A, A GOOD ENHANCEMENT THERE? YEAH, THERE IS SUFFICIENT SPACE, UM, AT THAT CORNER FOR A SCULPTURE.
UM, WE DO HAVE, I DO HAPPEN TO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE REGARDING A SCULPTURE.
UM, ANOTHER ITEM THAT WILL BE ON AGENDA HAS A SIMILAR, UH, OR HAS A CONDITION FOR A SCULPTURE THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD STARTING POINT.
AND THAT CONDITION, MICHAEL HAS A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 12 FEET.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER? UM, US STICKING WITH? YEAH.
YEAH, I, THAT, THAT CONDITION IT, IT READS, DEVELOPER SHALL PROVIDE A PUBLIC ART SCULPTURE AT THE CORNER OF, AND THIS WOULD BE KIMBALL BRIDGE ROAD AND NOR POINT PARKWAY WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 12 FEET SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO THE APPLICANT? YES, IT IS.
AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH A LOCAL ARTIST, LOCAL SCHOOLS, ALTHOUGH I HAVE THREE KIDS, SO BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU ASK FOR.
BUT, UM, WELL WE HAVE A CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION THAT DOES ALL THE APPROVAL, SO THAT'S GREAT.
IT'S NICE TO HAVE A PAIRED STAFF
YEAH, THAT'S WHERE YOU HIT IT.
UM, I'LL OFFER A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE MP DASH 26 DASH 13 SLASH CU DASH 26 DASH 11 SLASH V DASH 26 DASH 19 ROYAL 400 DATA CENTER, SUBJECT TO, UM, THE CONDITIONS AS REVIEWED BY MR. WOODMAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES.
AND BEAR WITH ME HERE ON CONDITION NUMBER SIX.
WE AGREED THAT WE WOULD ADD, UM, AS THE LAST SENTENCE THERE AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
I THINK THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
UH, THE SUGGESTED CHANGES THERE ARE ALL LOADING AREAS AND POWER AND COOLEY EQUIPMENT SHALL BE SCREENED WITH A WALL BUILT WITH THE SAME MATERIALS AS THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPE SCREENING AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
IN ADDITION TO OBSCURING THE VIEW, THE SCREENING WALL AROUND THE POWER AND COOLING EQUIPMENT SHALL BE DESIGNED TO PREVENT THE TRANSMISSION OF E OF EITHER HIGH PITCHED OR LOW LEVEL SOUNDS GEN GENERATED BY ANY EQUIPMENT AT THIS LOCATION FROM EXTENDING BEYOND THE PROPERTY LIMITS PERIOD.
AND THEN CONDITION NUMBER 13, WE AGREED TO ADD THE DATE FOR THE, UH, RECENT SUBMITTED, UM, SCREEN WALL.
SO, UM, IN THE FIRST SENTENCE, UM, EXCEPT THAT THE SCREEN WALLS USED TO, TO SCREEN THE UTILITY SUBSTATION ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHALL BE SUBSTANTIALLY DEPICTED IN THE AMENDED APPLICATION.
MATERIALS DATED 9 25 26 AND THE REST OF THE CONDITION CONTINUES ON WITH NO CHANGES.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ADD CONDITION NUMBER 30.
DEVELOPER SHALL PROVIDE A PUBLIC ART SCULPTURE AT THE CORNER OF KIMBALL BRIDGE AND NORTH POINT PARKWAY WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 12 FEET SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION.
I'LL SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND OR PRE SECONDED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
AND YOU DID A VERY GOOD JOB CAPTURING EVERYTHING.
IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION OR IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
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MOTION CARE IS UNANIMOUSLY, IT'S GOING TO GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER THE 26TH.THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION, WORKING WITH OUR STAFF AND I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD PRODUCT.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS MP DASH 26 DASH ZERO EIGHT SLASH B DASH 26 DASH ZERO EIGHT SLASH E DASH 26 DASH ZERO FIVE.
WINWOOD HALL WINWOOD MASTER PLAN 14 A AND MICHAEL IS PRESENTING.
THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
THE NEXT ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST FOR MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT VARIANCE IN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW A FREESTANDING RESTAURANT WITH NO DRIVE THROUGH IN A TWO STORY 707,900 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON 3.75 ACRES.
LOCATED IN THE WINWARD LCI MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT IS REQUESTED TO WINDWARD MASTER PLAN POD 14 A TO ALLOW A FREESTANDING RESTAURANT WITH NO DRIVE-THROUGH AS A PRINCIPAL USE A VARIANCE IS REQUESTED TO UNIFY DEVELOPMENT CODE SUBSECTION 3.3 0.2 D TO ALLOW AN OUTDOOR SEATING AREA TO ENCROACH INTO THE IMPERVIOUS SETBACK OF A STREAM.
AND AN EXCEPTION IS REQUESTED TO UUDC SECTION 2.5 TO ELIMINATE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.
AND I HAVE THE LOCATION MAP ON THE OVERHEAD.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT ZERO WINDWARD PARKWAY, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WINDWARD PARKWAY AND EDISON DRIVE.
THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED CUP COMMUNITY UNIT PLAN.
THERE IS A DATA CENTER LOCATED TO THE SOUTH AND OFFICE OCCUPIED OFFICE BUILDING OCCUPIED BY THE METROPOLITAN CLUB LOCATED TO THE WEST.
TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS OCCUPIED BY RYDER INTEGRATED LOGISTICS LOCATED TO THE NORTH AND AN UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE EAST.
THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE AND DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS CORPORATE OFFICE.
THIS IS THE WINWARD MASTER PLAN COURSE.
THAT MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED BACK IN 1980 WITH A SUBSTANTIAL UPDATE IN 1993.
WINDWARD IS A 3000 PLUS ACRE PLANNED COMMUNITY POD 14 A REPRESENTS ABOUT FOUR FIVE ACRES OF THAT COMMUNITY.
HAS A LAND USE DESIGNATION OF BUSINESS CENTER, WHICH ALLOWS OFFICE RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES SUCH AS DISTRIBUTION OR LIGHT MANUFACTURING.
POD 14 A ALLOWS RESTAURANT WITH NO DRIVE THROUGH AS AN ACCESSORY USE LOCATED INSIDE AN OFFICE BUILDING, BUT DOES NOT ALLOW A FREESTANDING RESTAURANT AS A PRINCIPAL USE.
SO THIS APPLICATION REALLY HINGES AROUND THE VISION, THE NEW VISION FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT CAME WITH THE UPDATE OF THE WINDWARD LCI IN 2024.
AND TO IMPLEMENT THAT VISION STAFF REALLY PUSHED THE APP APPLICANT TO CONSIDER A CANTILEVERED OUTDOOR SEATING AREA ON THE REAR OF THE RESTAURANT OVERLOOKING, UH, A NATURAL STREAM AREA THAT IS ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS WAVY LINE HERE, PROPERTY LINE HERE REPRESENTS THE STREAM THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH THIS AREA.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THE UDC TO ALLOW FOR THAT ENCROACHMENT, IT IS GONNA BE A CANTILEVERED EN ENCROACHMENT, SO IT WILL BE, WILL NOT BE DIRECTLY ON THE GROUND.
IT, THE AREA IS ABOUT 1200 SQUARE FEET WHERE THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA ENCROACHES INTO THE IMPERVIOUS SETBACK.
AND THEN ALSO WITH THAT OUTDOOR SEATING AREA, UH, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO, UH, EXEMPT, UH, THE PARKING THAT AREA FROM THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THE APPLICANT'S RESTAURANT, UM, IN THIS APPLICATION IS REFERRED TO AS WINWARD HALL.
IT'S A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT, OPEN FOR BREAKFAST, LUNCH, AND DINNER.
BREAKFAST AND LUNCH OPTIONS WILL BE CUSTOMIZED TO APPEAL TO THE SURROUNDING OFFICE EMPLOYEES, AND THE APPLICANT STATES THAT THE RESTAURANT WILL SERVE AS AN ACTIVE GATHERING PLACE FOR NEARBY OFFICE EMPLOYEES WITH A DIRECT CONNECTION PROPOSED BETWEEN
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THE RESTAURANT AND THE FUTURE, UH, MULTI-USE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT WILL RUN THROUGH THE PROPERTY ON SOUTH SIDE, ALONG THAT STREAM AND THAT TRAIL SYSTEM, AGAIN, CONNECTING TO THE AREA'S OFFICE BUILDINGS, THE BAKERY GREENWAY, THE MARTA PARKING RIDE, AS WELL AS OTHER DESTINATIONS.TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WINWARD, LCI.
WE'VE NOT HAD A LOT OF APPLICATIONS, UM, COME FORWARD TO YOU YET, BUT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME.
UM, WINDWARD LCI WAS UPDATED IN 2024.
THAT PROJECT WAS DONE IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY OF ALPHARETTA, CITY OF MILTON, AND THE TRUE NORTH 400 CID.
THE PLAN HAS A VISION FOR, SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY.
YOU'RE SEEING PART OF THAT RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED HERE ON THIS EXHIBIT.
AND THIS IS AN EXHIBIT RIGHT OUT OF THAT LCI PLAN.
SO BASICALLY THE PLAN CALLS OUT THIS PROPERTY AS A CONNECTED EXPERIENTIAL RETAIL OPPORTUNITY, PAIRING FOOD AND BEVERAGE WITH A FOCUS ON THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND PROGRAM PROGRAMMING AND EVENTS TO ATTRACT SURROUNDING OFF EMPLOY OFFICE EMPLOYEES LOCATED WITHIN A WALKABLE DISTANCE TO THIS PROPERTY.
WE NOTED THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL OF ALPHARETTA'S TOP EMPLOYERS LOCATED WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THIS PROPERTY, INCLUDING MORGAN STANLEY, LOW PAYMENTS, A DP, LEXUS NEXUS, AND AT AND T TO NAME A FEW AND OVER, UM, ESTIMATED 11,000 EMPLOYEES WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THIS LOCATION.
UM, ALSO, UH, GOT WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEPARTMENT AND THEY PULLED SOME NUMBERS ON COAST COSTAR.
THERE ARE 17 OFFICE BUILDINGS TOTALING 1.9 MILLION SQUARE FEET WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS HAVE AN OCCUPANCY RATE OF, UH, NINE, JUST UNDER 95% CURRENTLY.
SO THE LCI, UM, ENVISIONS, UM, NOT ONLY HAS A VISION SP SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY, UM, BUT IT HAS A VISION FOR THE OVERALL WINDWARD OFFICE PARK.
IT'S TRYING TO CONNECT THE OFFICE BUILDINGS, CONNECT TO DESTINATIONS, CONNECT TO THE MARTA PARK, PARK, AND RIDE IN THE BIG CREEK GREENWAY.
SO YOU SEE A SYSTEM, A TRAIL SYSTEM HERE.
THIS IS THE EXISTING BIG CREEK GREENWAY TRAIL.
A PROPOSED TRAIL WOULD CONNECT THAT THROUGH THIS PROPERTY AND THROUGH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
AND THAT TRAIL CONNECTION WOULD GO ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE MARTA PARK AND RIDE THROUGH A FUTURE, UM, EXTENSION OF DRYDEN ROAD OVER TO EDISON.
THIS, UM, IN THE WINDWARD LCI, THE TRAIL SYSTEM GOES BEYOND THIS AREA AS WELL.
IT CONNECTS TO OTHER, UH, TRAIL SYSTEMS, UM, THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THAT PLAN.
THE BIG CREEK CONNECTOR, WHICH IS A A TWO MILE SECTION OF THE EXISTING BIG CREEK, UM, AS WELL AS THE CAMP CREEK CONNECTOR, WHICH WOULD BE A FUTURE TRAIL SYSTEM ON THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH AND AN MORE NATURAL AREA THAT WOULD BE A ONE MILE LOOP.
THE LCI ALSO TALKS RECOMMENDS ENHANCEMENTS ALONG WINDWARD PARKWAY TO PROMOTE WALKABILITY, UH, PLANTING NATIVE, UH, MEADOW GRASSES AND PLANTERS, AND IN BUILDING SETBACKS AND PROVIDING BUFFERS BETWEEN THE TRAVEL TRAVEL LANES OF THE ROAD AND THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FACILITIES USE.
AND THIS IS JUST AN EXHIBIT OUT OF THE LCI, THIS IS A SPECIFIC VISION FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THEY SAW IT AS ALMOST LIKE A MARKET OPEN MARKET.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT EXPERIENTIAL RETAIL, THAT COULD BE A FOOD HALL, THAT COULD BE A MARKET, UH, THAT COULD BE A FOOD TRUCK, UH, A LOCATION FOR FOOD TRUCKS OR A RESTAURANT.
AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, UH, THE TRAIL SYSTEM GOES THROUGH THAT PROPERTY AS WELL.
UM, AND, UM, KATHY COOK HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO, UM, SEE IF THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL ON THAT PROPERTY.
WE HAVE IT LABELED AS BOX YARD CONCEPT.
THAT'S A CON THAT IS A CONCEPT OUT OF THE RESEARCH TRIANGLE AREA NORTH CAROLINA.
IT'S A CENTRAL GATHERING SPACE IN THAT OFFICE PARK, UH, WHERE PEOPLE GO.
THEY USE THE, UH, METAL, UM, CHIPPING CONTAINERS IN THAT APPLICATION.
UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT'LL, THAT'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA.
IT SHOWS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL AND THEN THE IMPROVEMENTS CONSIDERED
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IN THE, UH, WINWARD.UH, KATHY COOK HAS ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE AT THE, AT CORNER OF WINWARD PARKWAY AND POINT PARKWAY.
UM, AND WE HAVE ENGAGED OUR ON-CALL CONSULTANT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR THIS AREA NEAR THE DRYDEN ROAD EXTENSION.
JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU HOW THOSE WOULD ALL WORK TOGETHER.
SO GETTING TO THE APPLICANT SITE PLAN.
UM, SO THE TWO STORY RESTAURANT BUILDING IS PROPOSED HERE.
THE PARKING IS PROPOSED BETWEEN WINWARD PARKWAY AND ENCORE.
WE DID WANT THE BUILDING POSITIONED MORE CLOSELY TO THE STREAM, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS ORANGE AREA HERE REPRESENTS THE FUTURE MULTI-USE TRAIL ALIGNMENT THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE 2,500 SQUARE FOOT OUTDOOR SEATING AREA THAT WOULD BE CAN LEAPED INTO THIS.
UM, IMPERVIOUS SETBACK IS, IS AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE WOULD BE A CONNECTION FROM THE MULTI-USE TRAIL SESSION OVER TO THE PROPERTY.
YOU NOTICE YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE'S ALSO SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT BUILDING OUT TO, UM, EDISON, AS WELL AS OUT TO WINWARD PARKWAY.
AND THEN STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS ARE, UM, PART OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
WINDWARD PARKWAY WOULD HAVE A SIX FOOT PLANTER WITH A 10 FOOT SIDEWALK, AND EDISON DRIVE WOULD HAVE A SIX FOOT PLANTER WITH A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK.
THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PARKING REGULATIONS REQUIRE 79 PARKING SPACES FOR THE 7,900 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT.
SO NOT, I'M NOT CONSIDERING THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.
THE SITE PLAN IS DEPICTING 83 PARKING SPACES.
SO THEY DO EXCEED FOR JUST THE RESTAURANT ON HIS OWN.
AS I MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE EXCEPTION TO EXEMPT THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA FROM PARKING REQUIREMENTS TREE SAVE AREAS.
LEMME GO TO THE MORE DETAILED SAFE PLAN HERE, OR ZOOMED IN TREE SAVE AREA UP IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS TREES WOULD BE SAVED WITHIN THE STREAM BUFFER AND IMPERVIOUS SETBACK.
AND THEN UNDERGROUND STORM WATERS PROPOSED WITHIN THE DRIVE AISLE OF THE PARKING LOT.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A TRIP GENERATION REPORT INDICATING THAT THE RESTAURANT IS ESTIMATED TO GENERATE 70 AM PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 60 1:00 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
WE BELIEVE THAT THAT NUMBER WILL BE LOWER GIVEN THE PETRING CONNECTIONS TO THIS SITE AND THE FUTURE TRAIL CONNECTIONS.
AND THEN THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A COUPLE RENDERINGS OF THE BUILDING.
WE DID SEND, UM, THESE RENDERINGS TO, UM, ONE OF OUR DRB DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, AND HE PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK AND THAT IS MEMORIALIZED IN A CONDITION RELATED TO THE ARCHITECTURE AND MATERIAL, AND OF COURSE, WITH DRB, UM, PROVIDING FINAL APPROVAL OF THE BUILDING.
SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THE MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT, THE VARIANCE IN THE EXCEPTION, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ONE WORD LCI, UH, WHICH AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, ENVISIONS THIS PROPERTY AS A CONNECTED EXPERIENTIAL RETAIL OPPORTUNITY, COMBINING FOOD AND BEVERAGE WITH A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND PROGRAMMING TO ATTRACT AND SUPPORT THE SURROUNDING OFFICE EMPLOYEES.
WE BELIEVE THE RESTAURANT WILL BLEND DINING OR THE RESTAURANT WILL BLEND, UH, DINING OFFERINGS WITH NATURE IN THE FUTURE.
MULTI-USE TRAIL ALIGNMENT PROPOSAL WOULD SERVE AS AN AMENITY FOR THE OFFICE, THE AREA'S OFFICE EMPLOYEES, AND WOULD ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN TRIPS AND REDUCE VEHICULAR TRIPS.
AS IT RELATES TO THE VARIANCE, IN EXCEPTION, WE DO BELIEVE THE PROPERTIES HAS EXCEPTIONAL AND PECULIAR CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE SHAPE TOPOGRAPHY, MULTIPLE ROAD FRONTAGES, THE PRESENCE OF THE STREAM, AS WELL AS HAVING A NEW VISION IN THAT WINDWARD.
LCI STAFF ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO CANTILEVER THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IN ORDER TO ACTIVATE AND IN INTERACT WITH THE NATURAL AREA AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
IN THE FUTURE TRAIL ALIGNMENT, THE MULTI-USE TRAIL CONNECTION WILL PROMOTE WALKABILITY AND REDUCE VEHICULAR TRIPS TO THE SITE, SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO ELIMINATE PARKING FOR THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.
AND IF APPROVED, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT AN EASEMENT OR LAND BE PROVIDED ACROSS THE PROPERTY FOR THE MULTI-USE TRAIL ALONG THE STREAM.
UH, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THEIR PARTICIPATION REPORT INDICATING
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THAT THEY RECEIVE COMMENTS AT THE CZIM REGARDING TREE REMOVAL.AND WE NOTED AT THE MAY 13TH, CZAM THAT THERE WAS ONE PUBLIC COMMENT WITH CONCERNS OVER TREE REMOVAL.
WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, SUBJECT TO 15 CONDITIONS CONDITION.
ONE IS THE SITE PLAN SPECIFIC CONDITION, TYING IT TO THE SITE PLAN, THIS SITE PLAN THAT I SHOWED YOU.
CONDITION TWO IS THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE AND MATERIALS CONDITION WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB, UH, COMPLYING WITH THE DRB DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND THERE ARE, UM, A ITEMS A, B AND A, B, C, D AND E RELATED TO SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURAL, UM, CHANGES, UM, THAT WOULD NEED, UH, TO BE DONE.
JUST TRANSPARENCY ON THE GLASS, CREATING A BASE FOR THE BUILDING.
AND AGAIN, THESE ALL, ALL FIVE OF THOSE CAME FROM ONE OF OUR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEMBERS, UM, THAT HAS AN EXPERTISE IN ARCHITECTURE.
CONDITION THREE RESTAURANT NO DRIVE THROUGH SHALL BE ADDED AS A PERMITTED PRINCIPLE USE IN POD 14 A OF THE WINDWARD MASTER PLAN FOUR DEVELOPERS SHALL IMPROVE THE WINDWARD PARKWAY STREETS SCAPE AS FOLLOWS, MINIMUM SIX FOOT PLANTER MINIMUM 10 FOOT CONCRETE SIDEWALK AND DECORATIVE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF.
CONDITION FIVE IS THE EDISON DRIVE STREET SCAPE REQUIREMENT WITH A SIX FOOT PLANTER AND SIX FOOT SIDEWALK CONDITION.
SIX REQUIRES, UM, THAT THE LANDSCAPE STRIPS ALONG EDISON DRIVE AND WINDWARD PARKWAY BE PLANTED WITH A MIX OF TREES, SHRUBS, AND GRASSES.
THE GRASSES BEING ADDED IN THERE AS IT IS RECOMMENDED IN THE LCI CONDITION, SEVEN ADDRESSES RETAINING WALLS.
THERE ARE SOME RETAINING WALLS ALONG THE PARKING LOT, AND SO, UM, ANY OF THE RETAINING WALLS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET SHALL BE FACED WITH BREAKER STONE AS APPROVED BY DRB.
RETAINING WALLS OVER 16 FEET IN HEIGHT SHALL BE TERRACE WITH A MINIMUM AND FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE AREA BETWEEN TERRACES.
WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THESE, THIS RETAINING WALL IS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO 16 FEET IN HEIGHT, BUT IF IT WERE, WE DO, UM, WE HAVE CAN USE THAT CONDITION BEFORE REQUIRING THE TERRACES IN BETWEEN TREES AND SHRUBS AND VINES SHALL BE PLANTED ALONG THE BASE OF THE WALL TO SOFTEN THE APPEARANCE WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY DRB CONDITION.
EIGHT REQUIRES THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
NINE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA ENCROACHMENT INTO THE IMPER SETBACK AND STREAM AREA SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE ENCROACHMENT AS DEPICTED ON THE SITE AND PREPARED BY THE PARADIGM DATED 9 1 26 10 DEVELOPERS SHALL REPLANT THE TWO CITY BUFFER STANDARDS.
THE AREAS OF THE IMPERVIOUS SETBACK DEPICTED TO BE GRADED IN WITH FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF.
SO THERE ARE AREAS OF THIS OUTER AREA HERE OF THE STREAM BUFFER IS THE IMPERVIOUS SETBACK.
IT'S 50 FEET WIDE, AND SO YOU SEE GRADING OCCURRING IN THESE LOCATIONS, SO WE KNOW IF THERE'S VEGETATION THERE, IT'LL BE REMOVED.
SO THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT I'M REFERRING TO IN THAT CONDITION.
OKAY, 11 DEVELOPERS SHALL DEDICATE LAND TO, OR AN EASEMENT ALLOWING FOR PUBLIC ACCESS OF OUR FUTURE.
MULTI-USE TRAIL ALIGNMENT RUNNING THROUGH THE IMPERVIOUS SETBACK AND OR CITY STREAM BUFFER WITH FINAL ALIGNMENT AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
WE ARE ONLY ASKING FOR THE LAND EASEMENT IN THIS CASE.
TYPICALLY, YOU WOULD SEE WE, WE MIGHT ASK A DEVELOPER TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THE TRAIL.
UM, THIS, WE DON'T HAVE A DESIGN FOR THIS PARTICULAR TRAIL.
THERE IS A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY IN THIS AREA.
WE, SO IT'S LIKELY THAT THAT SECTION WILL BE AN ELEVATED SECTION AND IT'LL LIKELY BE EXECUTED BY THE CITY AT A FUTURE DATE CONDITION.
12 DEVELOPERS SHALL, SHALL SAVE TREES AS DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN.
IN ADDITION, DEVELOPERS SHALL MAKE REASONABLE EFFORTS TO SAVE ADDITIONAL SPECIMEN TREES OF QUALITY AND OR TREE GROUPINGS AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
13 REQUIRES THE PUBLIC ART SCULPTURE AT THE CORNER OF WINDWARD PARKWAY AND EDISON DRIVE, WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 12 FEET FINAL APPROVAL WITH THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION CONDITION 14 DEVELOPERS SHALL IMPROVE A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE ON EDISON DRIVE AT THE SITE DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THIS TURNING MOVEMENT RIGHT HERE.
SO THAT EXISTING MEDIAN HAS TO BE SHORTENED.
AND SO THIS REQUIRES A DEDICATED TURN LANE TURNING IN TO THE SITE.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SITE PLAN.
AND THEN CONDITION 15 DEVELOPERS SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY AS APPROVED BY STAFF.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF REPORT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO
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ANSWER THOSE.CAN YOU PUT THE, UH, THE MAP SHOWING THE TRAIL CONNECTIONS YES.
IS IS THAT THE ONE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT SHOWS, UH, THE CONNECTION WITH MCCONNEY AND EDISON.
HOW FAR OUT INTO THE FUTURE IS DO YOU THINK THIS TRAIL CONNECTION MIGHT OCCUR? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANNED PROJECTS.
WE DON'T HAVE A, A DESIGN FOR THAT.
THIS, THIS PLAN WAS, UM, COMPLETED AND NOT ADOPTED IN 2024.
BUT WHAT I, WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, KATHY, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE, UM, BUILDING OWNERS OUT IN THIS AREA, THE OFFICE OWNERS, AND THEY, THEY WANT THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES.
UM, AND I CAN JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE ALPHA LOOP AND HOW QUICKLY WE WERE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE ALPHA LOOP.
UM, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT TIMELINE.
SHE HAS MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU DO
I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE TALKED TO, TO MICHAEL ABOUT DRYDEN ROAD, WHICH, UH, TRUE NORTH IS MOVING FORWARD ON.
THEY'VE BID THAT OUT, SO THEY'RE GETTING THE BIDS THAT'S GONNA MOVE FORWARD.
THEY WORKED FOR OVER A YEAR TO TRY TO GET AN EASEMENT THROUGH THE AT AND T PROPERTY.
SO WE HAVE THAT, SO THAT'S A CATALYST THAT THAT'S, THAT'S OUT FOR BIDS.
SO THAT PART'S GONNA GET DONE.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH, UH, WINDWARD RETAIL, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF THAT.
WE JUST CAME UP WITH A DESIGN.
THEY COULD TAKE THE WHOLE PARK, THE BACK AREA, TURN THAT INTO A GREEN SPACE, AND WHERE YOU COULD ACCESS IT OFF OF, UM, DRYDEN ROAD.
AND THEN THERE'S PLACES FOR, UM, EMPLOYEES OR, OR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO USE THE TRAIL AND TO BE ABLE TO SIT IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN THE AREA THAT YOU SEE IN PINK, UM, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT, UM, DEDICATING THAT TO A, UH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING A FOOD HALL.
SO ALL IT'S, ALL OF THOSE PIECES ARE, ARE COMING TOGETHER.
AND THE, THE QUICKEST PIECE THAT YOU'LL SEE IS DRYDEN ROAD.
AND WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE DRYDEN ROAD DESIGN BECAUSE WE DO FEEL LIKE IF A PARK'S GONNA BE CREATED JUST TO THE NORTH OF DRYDEN ROAD, THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE SPACES FOR FOOD TRUCKS TO PARK THERE IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 11,000 EMPLOYEES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE THAT MORE OF A, AN EXPERIENCE.
SO THAT THAT'LL BE THE FIRST, UM, TRIGGER WE SEE.
WHAT ABOUT THE CONNECTION FROM, UM, A CORNY TO EDISON ON THE BACK END? SHOW A CONNECTION WHERE THE PINK IS NO, THE GREEN THERE, THE BOTTOM THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN MOVING THAT ONE FORWARD.
WE'RE VERY FOCUSED ON THOSE, UH, PROVIDING THE AMENITIES AND GETTING THAT NORTHERN PORTION, UM, PULLED TOGETHER.
AND FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS, THAT'S WHAT WE KEEP HEARING FROM THE MAJOR EMPLOYERS.
UM, ALTHOUGH THE OTHER, THE GREEN SECTION WOULD BE A NICE CONNECTION.
SO THE AMENITIES, WE'RE REALLY PUSHING TO TRY TO GET MORE FOOD OPTIONS.
WE'RE HEARING FROM THE, UM, THE LARGE EMPLOYERS THAT THE EMPLOYEES ARE NOT EVEN LEAVING THEIR PARKING SPOT BECAUSE IT'S SO FULL NOW.
EVERYBODY'S COMING TO WORK, WHICH IS A GOOD THING, BUT THEY DON'T WANNA LEAVE THEIR PARKING SPOT FOR FEAR.
THEY WON'T HAVE A PARKING SPOT WHEN THEY GET BACK.
SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PUSH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HAVING THOSE LOCATIONS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO MORE FOOD OPTIONS.
I I REALLY LOVE THIS, THIS CONCEPT.
UH, THIS PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET USED TO BE VERY EMPTY.
AND MAKING THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN MARCONEY AND EDISON IS GONNA REALLY HELP WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GOING AROUND AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE, THE GREENWAY TRAIL CONNECTIONS WITH THE BIG CREEK TO THE MARTA STATION.
THAT TO BE A VERY GOOD ENHANCEMENT.
WE NEED SOME LIFE IN THIS AREA.
AND I THINK THIS IS GONNA HELP GREATLY WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WALKING AND YEAH.
I FREQUENT THIS AREA QUITE A BIT.
AND, AND IT'S, AND IT'LL BE MORE LIKE THE ALPHA LOOP BECAUSE IT WILL BE LIT.
UH, IT WILL TAKE PEOPLE, UH, TO PARKS THAT, OR RESTAURANTS AND, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S MORE IN LINE WITH, UH, LESS LIKE THE BIG CREEK GREENWAY, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT A DIFFERENT PURPOSE.
BUT THIS IS REALLY MORE OF AN URBAN TRAIL FEEL.
I DID A STUDY A FEW YEARS AGO ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLACES ABOUT TRAILS, AND PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY AND THE AREAS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAD THEM WAS SAFER ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES WHEN YOU ADDED ALL THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES BECAME SAFER THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
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ABSOLUTELY.AND THE MORE PEOPLE YOU SEE ON THEM, AND THE, AND THE MORE EYES THAT ARE CLOSE TO 'EM AND THE BUILDINGS, IT JUST HELPS WITH THE SAFETY AND THE LIGHTING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MICHAEL? I HAVE A QUESTION.
KATHY, YOU MIGHT, I DON'T KNOW, OR MICHAEL, YOU BOTH CAN ANSWER THIS, SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.
HELP ME, ONE PLACE, YOU CALL IT A HALL AND ANOTHER PLACE IN THE APPLICATION, YOU'RE CALLING IT A RESTAURANT.
SO IS THIS MORE LIKE A FOOD HALL WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK A RESTAURANT IS REALLY A, WHAT WE, WITH A MENU IS WHAT WE WANT THERE.
AND WE HAVE SO MANY EMPLOYEES AROUND THERE, WE HAVE PLENTY OF RESTAURANTS.
IT'S JUST WE WANT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF FEEL.
YEAH, IT, IT'S ONE RESTAURANT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AT THIS LOCATION.
THE, THE LCI LOOKED AT THIS AND THEY WERE REALLY, I THINK THEY WERE LOOKING BEYOND JUST A RESTAURANT CONCEPT, BUT I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN THEIR RESTAURANT CONCEPT AND ADDED, UM, THE ABILITY TO, TO FRONT ON THAT, THAT NATURAL AREA ON THE BACK, AND SO THAT THEY COULD IMPLEMENT THAT VISION FROM, FROM THE LCI.
BUT THE, I THINK KATHY HAD MENTIONED A POTENTIAL OF A FOOD HALL, UM, ADJACENT, POSSIBLY ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
UH, MICHAEL, I HAVE A, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU COULD PUT UP THE, UM, SITE PLAN.
AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, I KNOW THAT THE, UM, TREE SURVEY REFLECTED A GOOD AMOUNT OF SPECIMEN TREES.
UM, AND I'M HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING WHERE WE HAVE ANY KIND OF TREE SAFE HERE.
CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE THE TREE SAFE IS? SO THIS AREA UP HERE IS A TREE SAVE UP ALONG WINDWARD PARKWAY.
UM, AND THEN THE TREE SAVE, OF COURSE, ANYTHING, UM, THAT, LIKE THESE TREES THAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE ARE GOING TO BE SAVED.
OF COURSE, THOSE ARE IN THE PERVY SETBACK AND BUFFER.
AND THESE REPRESENT THE SPECIMEN.
THE ONES WITH THEIR, UM, CRITICAL ROOT ZONE AROUND THEM REPRESENT THE SPECIMEN BREEZE.
SO IF WE'RE LOOKING ON EDISON, I DON'T SEE ANY TREE SAVES ALONG THE EDISON SIDE.
IT'S ALL, THERE ARE NO TREE SAVES PROPOSED ALONG THE EDISON SIDE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE, THERE ARE A, A COUPLE TREES REFLECTED IN THE TREE SURVEY INFORMATION AS BEING REMOVED.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN THESE XS RIGHT ALONG HERE.
BUT NONE OF THOSE ARE SHOWING A CRITICAL ROOT ZONE AROUND THEM, WHICH MEANING THAT THEY'RE, THEY DON'T QUALIFY AS A SPECIMEN TREE OR TREE EQUALITY.
AND SO, SORRY, I'M, I CAN BLOW UP THE ONE ON MY IPAD HERE.
UM, I, SO THE TREE SAVED THAT IS ON WINDWARD IS REALLY SORT OF ON THE EASTERN CORNER.
ANYTHING THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S THIS RIGHT HERE.
I THINK I MAY HAVE WENT A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
IT IS A, A SMALLER, SMALL, THE CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU, UH, THE CITY ARBOR LOOKED AT THESE, I THINK THE APPLICANT WAS INITIALLY INDICATING, UH, TO POTENTIALLY SAVE SOME OF THESE.
AND CITY ARBOR DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE SOMETHING WORTH, UM, SAVING.
MR. WOODMAN, I JUST WANNA GET CLEAR ON THE RENDERING.
YOU SHOWED A COUPLE RENDERING LIKE PHOTOS.
THERE WAS LIKE THE ONE STORY RECTANGULAR BUILDING, AND THEN THIS ONE.
WHAT WAS, SO IS THAT, IS THAT RENDERING RENDERING RIGHT THERE? YES.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING HERE.
AND THIS WOULD BE, I GUESS THIS WOULD BE THE SIDE, THE EDISON SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THIS IS THE BACK WHERE YOU SEE THE OUTDOOR AREA.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT EXPANDED THAT OUTDOOR AREA AFTER THE RENDERINGS WERE DONE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS REALLY REFLECTS THE OUTDOOR AREA THAT THEY HAVE CURRENTLY.
SO WHAT WAS THE OTHER PHOTO OF A STRUCTURE? THERE WAS LIKE A LONG RECTANGULAR, OH, THAT WAS FROM THE WINWARD, LCI, UM.
I DON'T NEED TO SAY, AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS PICKED UP ON THE FOOD WHEN I MENTIONED FOOD HALL AS WELL.
SO THIS IS FROM THE WINDWARD LCI DOCUMENT.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY EDISON AND WINDWARD PARKWAY.
IT LOOKED AT THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AS
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WELL AS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT KATHY HAS BEEN TALKING TO, THAT, THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOOD HALL CONCEPT IN THIS RENDERING FROM THE LCI.THEY, THEY, THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT EXPERIENTIAL RETAIL OPPORTUNITY WITH FOOD AND BEVERAGE.
THEY TALK ABOUT A FOOD HALL IN HERE.
IT'S NOT SPEC, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FOOD HALL.
THERE, THERE WAS DIFFERENT THINGS THAT IT COULD BE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
I ASSUME YOU'RE THE APPLICANT IF YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION.
HOW ARE YOU? WE ARE DOING WELL.
MY NAME IS DANNY MASCAR, AND UM, I JUST MOVED TO, CAN YOU GIVE YOUR ADDRESS, UH, GEORGIA BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.
I JUST MOVED, CLOSE THE MICROPHONE.
I JUST MOVED TO GEORGIA ALL MY LIFE.
I WANTED TO HAVE A RESTAURANT ALL MY LIFE, BUT I WAS BORN IN HAITI.
MY MOM SAID, NO, YOU CANNOT BE A CHEF BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE WASHING DISHES.
I WENT ON, I BECAME A SOCIAL WORKER.
I HAVE A BIG AGENCY IN NEW YORK WHERE I SERVE AS CHILDREN WHO ARE ON THE SPECTRUM.
I HIRE SOCIAL WORKERS, I HIRE TEACHERS.
I HIRE SPEECH PATHOLOGISTS, PHYSICAL THERAPY TO WORK WITH THESE KIDS.
SO ACTUALLY I HAVE 600 EMPLOYEE IN NEW YORK, BUT I REALIZED I'VE BEEN WORKING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK NONSTOP.
I WORK SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, ALMOST 14 HOURS A A DAY.
I I GO OUT THERE AND SEE THEM.
BUT THE PASSION OF BECOMING A CHEF WAS ALWAYS IN ME.
SO IN 2020, I HAD BREAST CANCER.
AND AFTER I FOUGHT BREAST CANCER, I SAID, I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT MAKE ME HAPPY.
I SAID, I'M GOING BACK TO SCHOOL.
SO I WENT TO SCHOOL, I BECAME A CHEF, AND I OPENED A RESTAURANT FOR MY DAUGHTER IN NEW YORK CALLED POST TWO 70.
I, LET ME TELL YOU, THE RESTAURANT IS BEAUTIFUL.
IN 2019, I SAW THAT PIECE OF LAND.
I I SAW THE PIECE OF LAND AND I'D BEEN AFTER THE OWNER TO SELL IT TO ME.
BUT THE OWNER DIDN'T WANNA SELL IT.
SHE WANT, HE WANTED TO JUST, UM, HE WANTED TO JUST RENT IT, TO JUST LEASE IT.
I SAID, NO, I'M NOT GONNA LEASE IT.
'CAUSE I WANNA, I WANNA BUILD SOMETHING NICE.
SO WHEN THE OWNER DECIDED TO SELL IT TO ME, I SAID, GREAT.
SO I BOUGHT IT SO FAR, I SPENT OVER 2 MILLION TO DRESS TO DEVELOP IT.
I WANNA BRING OUT ALPHA ITTA, UM, THE BREAKFAST.
IT'S GONNA BE, I'M GONNA CREATE BREAKFAST.
BREAKFAST WILL BE LIKE A, LIKE A, UM, IT'S NOT A LA CARTE.
I'M GONNA ALSO DO A BUFFET LUNCH, AND I WILL DO A LA CARTE AT NIGHT.
SO IT'S MY PASSION AND I, I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS THE BEST.
I'M GONNA ALSO HAVE, I'M GLAD THAT ALPHARETTA WAS ABLE TO GIVE ME MORE OUTDOOR SITTING, SO THEREFORE PEOPLE CAN SIT AND EAT BREAKFAST.
AND I'M ALSO HAPPY THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO THE TRAIL IN THE BACK.
THAT PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND THEY CAN SIT DOWN.
I'M GONNA HAVE MUSIC ON THE WEEKEND.
I'M GONNA HAVE, UH, PIANO LESS, UH, PIANO MUSIC, SAXOPHONE MUSIC.
SO I, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF YOU GUYS ALLOW ME TO DO IT HERE.
HAVE YOU MOVED PHYSICALLY HEAD TO A YES, I DID.
I'M DOING A SUBDIVISION IN MILTON.
'CAUSE I BOUGHT A PIECE OF LAND IN MILTON.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HEARD OF MASCAR ESTATE.
I'M DOING SEVEN HOME IN A SUBDIVISION IN MILTON.
WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR THE PIECE OF LAND, MILTON SAID, NO, NO, NO, YOU GOTTA DO IT HERE, WE WANT YOU HERE,
SO MILTON WAS TRYING TO GET ME TO DO THE RESTAURANT IN MILTON.
AND THEN I SAID, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY LIKE THAT PIECE OF LAND IN ALPHARETTA.
THEY SAID, NO, NO, I'LL GIVE YOU A PIECE OF LAND RIGHT ON, ON IN MILTON AREA,
BUT I AM DEVELOPING, UH, A BEAUTIFUL SUBDIVISION
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AND, AND ON THOMPSON ROAD, 1 47, 25 THOMPSON ROAD.THE NAME OF THE SUBDIVISION IS MY LAST NAME, MASCAR ESTATE.
AND THE NAME OF THE STREET IS ALSO GONNA HAVE MY LAST NAME ON IT, WHICH IS MASCAR LANE.
AND THOSE HOMES ARE GONNA BE GORGEOUS.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, THEY ARE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES.
AND, AND THAT SUBDIVISION, I'M ALMOST FINISHED DEVELOPING IT RIGHT NOW.
WE ABOUT TO DO THE, THE, THE PAVERS ON THE STREETS.
WE ARE DOING AL ALFA ON THE STREETS, AND THEN WE START, WE START BUILDING THOSE HOME.
OKAY, YOU, I BOUGHT ALL MY MONEY HERE,
I BOUGHT EVERYTHING I HAVE HERE.
AND I, AND I, I GOTTA TELL YOU, UH, UH, A LITTLE BIT ALSO, WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, I USED TO DRIVE THE YELLOW CAB IN BLACK CAR IN NEW YORK CITY.
I DROVE THE YELLOW CAB AND MY MOM USED TO WORRY THAT THEY WERE GONNA KILL ME.
AND AT THAT TIME, THE REASON I I STARTED DOING MUCH BETTER IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WHILE I WAS DRIVING THE YELLOW CAB IN BLACK CAR IN NEW YORK CITY, I WAS SAVING TO BUY A MEDALLION.
AND AT THAT YEAR, THE MEDALLION WENT UP TO 1.5 MILLION.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS GONNA DO.
AND THEN ONE DAY I, WHEN I'M DRIVING THE CAB, I MET THIS GUY NAMED JOSE, WAS FROM MEXICO.
HE SAYS, WHY DON'T YOU JUST, UH, UH, BUILD HOME.
YOU FULL, YOU PAY 400,000, JUST BUILD HOME.
AT THAT TIME, BANK OF AMERICA WAS FLEET BANK.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW FLEET BANK.
AT THE TIME, BANK OF AMERICA WAS FLEET BANK.
I SAID, HEY, I HAVE $400,000 IN MY BANK ACCOUNT.
CAN YOU SELL ME SOME HOMES? AND THEN, UH, THEY SAID, SURE.
THEY GAVE ME THREE, UH, BROWN ON WHITE IN HARLEM, THREE BROWNSTONE IN HARLEM.
SO I BOUGHT THOSE THREE BROWNSTONE.
WHEN I OPENED THEM, I SAW IT WAS, THERE'S NO ROOF, NOTHING IN THERE.
SO JOSE HELPED ME FIX THEM UP WHILE I WAS FIXING THEM UP.
BILL CLINTON MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BECAUSE OF THAT, THE BUILDING WENT STRAIGHT TO THE TOP.
SO I ENDED UP SELLING ONE OF THE BUILDING FOR 3.9 MILLION.
ONE OF THE BUILDING FOR 2.9 MILLION, ANOTHER ONE FOR 3.1 MILLION.
I WENT TO BROOKLYN AND I BUY MORE BUILDING 19 BUILDINGS IN BROOKLYN.
AND MY FRIENDS USED TO SAY, YOU CRAZY.
YOU'RE BUYING BUILDINGS FOR NO REASON.
GUESS WHAT? BUCKLEY CENTER JUST BUILT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME BECAUSE OF THAT, ALL THE BUILDINGS I BUILD IN BROOKLYN, I I BOUGHT, THEY ALL WENT UP TO LIKE 4 MILLION.
SOME OF THEM 7 MILLION, SOME OF THEM 3 MILLION.
I MUST TELL YOU, I'VE BEEN VERY LUCKY.
EVEN THE LAND I BOUGHT FROM ALPHA, FROM MILTON, I WAS LUCKY TOO TO FIND THAT PIECE OF LAND TO DEVELOP SEVEN A SUBDIVISION THERE.
THAT WAS ANOTHER LUCK THAT'S BEEN WITH ME.
YOU, YOU'RE ABOUT TO RUN OUT OF TIME.
YEAH, ABOUT THREE MINUTES AND 12 SECONDS.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME, WHO I AM, WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING, EVERYTHING.
LET ME COVER THE BORING ASPECTS OF THIS.
UH, MY NAME'S ETHAN UNDERWOOD.
I'M, UH, MS. MA GARY'S, UH, LAND USE ATTORNEY.
AND WE ARE AS STATED BY, UH, MR. WOODMAN, WE ARE REQUESTING A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT.
NOW WE KNOW THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT LOOK AT MASTER PLAN AMENDMENTS LIGHTLY, BUT, UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED, WE'LL ZOOM IN HERE, UM, IS CURRENTLY ZONED TO ALLOW AN OFFICE BUILDING WITH UP TO 25% OF THAT AS A RESTAURANT.
SO A RESTAURANT WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED IN THE 1980 MASTER PLAN.
HOWEVER, UM, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS OF THE 2024 LCI UPDATE, THERE MUST BE A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT HELP ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL.
UH, AS SHOWN, WE WERE SHOWING SOME, UH, PRELIMINARY DESIGNS.
UM, WHAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT IN PARTICULAR WAS THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS PROPOSED AT ABOUT 11,700 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S NOW 70% OF WHAT THE, THAT ORIGINAL SIZE WAS IN ORDER TO FACILITATE ADEQUATE PARKING.
UH, WE HAVE HAD TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE EVEN FOR THIS ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE CANTILEVERED, UM, OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.
BUT IT'S A TIGHT SITE AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO ACCOMPLISH, I GUESS THAT LONG FOOD HALL PROPOSAL WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE STREAMS. SO WE THINK THIS IS A BETTER RIGHT SIZED DESIGN FOR THE SITE.
IN FACT, THE TRAFFIC COUNT, SINCE THE BUILDING IS 70% THE SIZE OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE TRAFFIC COUNTS WILL BE DOWN ABOUT 70% AS WELL.
UH, THIS SHOWS THE AREA, UH, NOW
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I NOTE TO THE RIGHT IS THE, THAT'S SHOWING THE SIDE PROFILE FROM EDISON DRIVE.THAT WILL BE WHERE THE CANTILEVER, OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IS.
IT WAS NOT IN THIS ORIGINAL RENDERING, BUT IT WILL GO BASICALLY UNDERNEATH THE, THE, THE CUT WILL GO UNDERNEATH WHERE THAT OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IS.
IF I CAN, I HAVE ONE MINUTE AND THREE SECONDS LEFT.
ONE LAST THING I DID WANT TO SHOW.
THERE WAS QUESTIONS I SAW REGARDING TREE SAVE.
THESE ARE, FRANKLY, MOSTLY SCRUB PINES.
THEY'RE REALLY GOOD QUALITY TREES ARE, UM, ALONG WINDWARD PARKWAY AND BACK ALONG THE STREAM AREA.
SO ALONG EDISON, WHAT WE WOULD SUBMIT TO IS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLANTERS AND THE LANDSCAPING AND THE SCULPTURE REQUIREMENTS THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED WILL BE MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE ALONG THAT STREET FRONTAGE THAN THE, UH, THE NATIVE VEGETATION THAT'S THERE.
NOW, WITH THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'LL RESERVE ANY TIME THAT WE HAVE REMAINING FOR REBUTTAL.
A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE OUTDOOR SITTING.
UH, I SAW IT REFERENCED AS CURRENT DELIVERED.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? IT, RATHER THAN PUTTING A BUILDING WITH A FOUNDATION THAT GOES INTO THE GROUND WITHIN THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA, IT WOULD ACTUALLY HANG OVER THAT AREA.
SO IT WILL BE THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE, THE FOUNDATIONS WILL BE OUTSIDE OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA, BUT ADDITIONAL SEATING WILL BE, UH, HANGING OVER THE IMPERVIOUS AREA.
BUT THE FOUNDATION WILL NOT GO TO THE GROUND.
THAT MEANS THERE IS NO FOOTING COLUMN COMING UP TO SUPPORT THE PLATFORM.
IT'S GONNA BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING.
I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW.
I HAVE, UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, I, I LOVE THIS IDEA BECAUSE YOU ARE SURROUNDED BY SO MANY CORPORATE, UM, COMPANIES THAT HAVE SO MANY EMPLOYEES THAT THEY WANT AN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO WALK TO LUNCH.
UM, I SEE YOU BEING ABLE TO CATER CORPORATE LUNCHES.
UM, CORPORATE EVENTS BEING THERE.
I SEE, UM, PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO ENJOY WALKING AND MEETING FOR A QUICK BITE TO EAT.
OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HAVING A LONGER LUNCH IF, UM, THEY WANT, OR MAYBE I DON'T FEEL LIKE WALKING AND UBER EATS MIGHT BE AN OPTION AS WELL.
I JUST, I REALLY HOPE YOU HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU OFFER A LOT OF VARIETY SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET TIRED OF GOING TO LUNCH THERE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING OF FOOD HALL, BECAUSE IT GIVES PEOPLE MORE OPTIONS.
BUT IF THERE'S A FOOD HALL OPTION IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TOO.
BUT I DO HOPE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL.
'CAUSE I THINK YOU'VE GOT A GREAT LOCATION.
I AM GOING TO HAVE, UH, DIFFERENT FOOD.
LIKE WE HAVE THE, IN THE, IN THE, UH, UH, BREAKFAST, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A BIG BREAKFAST, LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO A RESORT AND THEN YOU SEE A VARIETY OF STUFF THAT YOU COULD EAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT GONNA LOOK.
AND THEN THE, THE LUNCH ALSO IS GOING TO HAVE VARIETY OF STUFF TOO.
CHINESE, THERE'S GONNA BE A CHINESE SECTION, THERE'S GONNA BE INDIAN SECTION, THERE'S GONNA BE AN AMERICAN SECTION.
LIKE YOU COULD EAT WHATEVER YOU WANNA EAT.
YEAH, I THINK I, I DO WISH YOU THE BEST.
YOU GONNA HAVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE TOO? UH, UH YES.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT FOR AT NIGHT.
FOR THE, THE NIGHT, THE NIGHT, UH, DINNER TIME.
I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO HAVE IT IN ALPHARETTA.
UM, I HAVE TO ASK, UM, THE SIZE OF THE RESTAURANT, HOW, OR DO YOU UNDERSTAND AT THIS POINT, HOW MUCH OF IT WILL BE RESTAURANT SPECIFIC AND HOW, HOW MUCH OF THE SPACE WILL BE, UH, EVENT TYPE SPACE? UH, ALL OF THEM, UH, ALL OF THE SPACE AREA IS, UH, RESTAURANT.
BUT IN THE, IN THE BREAKFAST AREA, WE ARE GONNA HAVE NOT THE SECOND FLOOR, THE FIRST FLOOR WILL BE WIDE OPEN FOR BREAKFAST AREA AND LUNCH AREA.
BUT AT NIGHT WE WILL OPEN THE SECOND FLOOR AND THAT'S WHERE THE SO DINNER IS ON FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR.
DINNER AT NIGHT WILL BE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR.
BECAUSE I'M, I'M, I'M GOING TO HAVE MUSIC LIKE PIANO MUSIC.
UH, UH, SAXOPHONE MUSIC AT NIGHT.
DID YOU SAY BREAKFAST AND LUNCH WOULD BE A BUFFET? ENVIRONMENT? BUFFET, BECAUSE I WANNA BRING, BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE WORK THERE.
THERE'S, YOU HAVE INDIAN PEOPLE, THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE INDIAN FOOD IF THEY COME TO, UH, RESTAURANT
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AND, AND LUNCH FOR EXAMPLE.AND THEN, UH, UH, YOU PROBABLY GONNA HAVE, UH, CHINESE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY THERE.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BORING TO COME AND EAT.
LOT OF IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF VARIETY.
UM, I, I BECAME A CHEF FOR THAT
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MICHAEL.
THE, THE GREENWOOD, THE TRAIL THAT'S, UH, PROPOSED OR PLANNED BEHIND THIS BUILDING, THE CITY WILL NEED AN EASEMENT OR THAT IS BEING ACQUIRED NOW.
I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING THAT? I DIDN'T CATCH YOU ON MY WAY UP.
THERE IS A PLANNED, UM, TRIO CONNECTION ON THAT PROPERTY THAT IS SHOWN ON THE, ONE OF THE DRAWINGS HERE.
AND NOT, YEAH, THIS WILL WORK.
THIS, THIS TRAIL CONNECTION BEHIND THE, THE RESTAURANT THAT'S CONNECTING TO THE, UH, CORRECT.
IS, UH, AN EASEMENT BEING PURSUED NOW OR DO WE ALREADY HAVE IT OR WHAT? SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UH, CON WE HAVE A CONDITION RECOMMENDING EASEMENT OR LAND FOR THAT FUTURE TRAIL ALIGNMENT.
THEY STILL HAVE TO ACQUIRE THAT.
THE, THE REASON I ASK IS THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF BLOOD DISTURBANCE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, THE RESTAURANT.
IT WOULD BE VERY GOOD IF WE WERE ABLE TO CONNECT THAT WHILE THAT IS BEING DONE.
SO THERE IS NOT ADDITIONAL, UH, BLOOD DISTURBANCE AFTER THE RESTAURANT IS CONSTRUCTED.
SO WITH A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WE USUALLY ARE ABLE TO HAVE THE DE THE DEVELOPER CONSTRUCT THE TRAIL ALIGNMENT IN EXCHANGE FOR IMPACT FEE CREDITS.
THIS RESTAURANT IS NOT GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF IMPACT FEE CREDITS.
SO IT, THE, THE TRAIL, THE ACTUAL MULTI-USE TRAIL WOULD BE A LOT MORE THAN WHAT THE IMPACT FEES WOULD BE.
SO WE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE EASEMENT OR THE LAND FOR THE FUTURE TRAIL.
WE ALSO DON'T HAVE A DESIGN FOR THIS TRAIL, AND THERE IS A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY IN THAT AREA.
SO MOST LIKELY IT'LL BE AN ELEVATED SECTION, BUT WE HAVE NOT STUDIED IT YET.
SO WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE THE EASEMENT OR THE LAND FOR THAT, THAT 20 FOOT WIDE MULTI-USE TRAIL.
DID YOU ASK THE APPLICANT WHETHER THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSTRUCT THAT SECTION WE DID NOT ASK.
OR SHOULD I ASK THAT QUESTION? YES, WE DID.
I DID NOT ASK THE APPLICANT TO CONSTRUCT THAT SECTION JUST BECAUSE I, WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN FOR IT, AN ENHANCEMENT TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
SO I JUST ON MY FACE TO THEM AND ASK WHETHER THEY WOULD CONSIDER DOING THAT.
NO, THERE IS A COST INVOLVED HERE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE, I BELIEVE IT'S YOU, YOU'RE GONNA DO A RESTAURANT AND SOMEBODY'S GONNA COME DO THE TRAIL.
I, I JUST, YEAH, IT'D BE NICE IF IT'S DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DID DISCUSS THE, UH, THE, THE COST OF THIS.
THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY, AS MR. WOODMAN SAID, IS VERY EXTREME THERE.
IN MOST CASES, THE CITY ASKS PEOPLE TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK.
UM, THIS, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE A SIDEWALK WILL GO ON WITHOUT MASSIVE RETAINING WALLS JUST TO TRY TO GET A FLAT LEVEL.
SO THE DISCUSSIONS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ELEVATED.
IT WAS A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE TRADITIONAL, UM, IMPROVEMENTS THAT A DEVELOPER IS REQUIRED TO DO.
SO IN SPEAKING WITH STAFF, I THINK WE ALL CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT MS. MASRI WOULD GRANT THE CITY ACCESS THROUGH HER PROPERTY, EITHER THROUGH AN EASEMENT OR CONVEY THAT.
BUT, UH, WE WE'RE NOT IN, IN AGREEMENT TO ACTUALLY DO THE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE TRASH.
AND I THINK THE COORDINATION THEN WOULD BE THE SECOND BEST OPTION.
TO WHERE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE MAYBE IMMEDIATELY AFTER CONCURRENTLY.
SO THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL LAND DISTANCE.
UH, THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION TO BUILD THIS WOULD PROBABLY COST ME 15 MILLION TO BUILD THIS.
THE TRAIL, NO, TO BUILD A TRAIL WILL PROBABLY COST ME CLOSE TO 5 MILLION MORE THAN WHAT I'M GONNA PAY FOR MY RESTAURANT.
WHAT, WHAT TYPE TREE ARE WE BUILDING? YEAH,
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YEAH.THEY DON'T, YEAH, BUT I DO, I I DID GIVE THE LAND TO ALPHARETTA.
I ONLY TOOK, THE ONLY PART THAT I'M TAKING FOR MY RESTAURANT.
THEY CAN HAVE THE PIECE OF LAND THAT THEY NEED IN THE BACK.
THAT SECTION IS NOT GONNA COST 15 MILLION THOUGH.
BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S EXPENSIVE AND THE, IF THERE IS ANY POTENTIAL FOR COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TWO, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.
OTHERWISE, WE IT IS WHAT IT'S, YES.
WE AT LEAST WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
AND I DO NOT SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE, SO I'M NOT GONNA OPEN THIS FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I STAND THIS OVER TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND EMOTION AND THEY CAN ASK ANY QUESTION THEY WANT.
IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THEN I WILL MAKE, MAKE AN A MOTION TO APPROVE MP DASH 26 DASH EIGHT SLASH B DASH 26 DASH ZERO EIGHT SLASH E DASH 26 DASH ZERO FIVE WINWARD HALL WINWARD MP POD 14 A WITH THE CONDITIONS AS NOTED BY STAFF SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPER SECOND IN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, HEARING NOW, NOR IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND MOTION CARE A UNANIMOUSLY WHAT IS THE TIMING FOR THIS? THE BEST ESTIMATE, UH, WHICH WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD RIGHT AFTER YOU GUYS APPROVE.
WE'RE GONNA, UH, UH, CERTAINLY OUR PLAN AND WE START BUILDING.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM TO DISCUSS AND IT IS PH DASH 26 DASH ZERO FOUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS BUSINESS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
THE LAST ITEM BEFORE YOU IS, UH, PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SPECIFICALLY.
SO, AND I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY WAS HERE, SO I'LL JUST GO OVER BRIEFLY, UH, WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 1.4 DEFINITIONS TO ASSIGN DEFINITIONS FOR BUSINESS VEHICLE AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLE AND TO UDC SUBSECTION 2.54, LOCATION OF REQUIRED PARKING AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TO AMEND THE LOCATIONAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR BUSINESS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND JUST A REMINDER THAT THE AMENDMENTS ARE RELATED TO RECENT CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS INVOLVING THE PARKING OF A VEHICLE WITH A TOWING CAPACITY GREATER THAN ONE, UH, ONE AND A HALF TONS ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
IN ONE CASE, THE JUDGE HAD RULED AGAINST THE CITY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT OUR DEFINITIONS WERE, UM, IN PLACE THAT THAT NEEDED TO BE IN PLACE TO DESCRIBE WHAT WE WERE, UH, PRO BRINGING FORWARD FOR PROSECUTION.
AND THEN ALSO WE, WE'VE ALSO HAD DIFFERENT HOMEOWNERS COME FORWARD AND SAY, WE'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE FROM THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
AND BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY LISTED AS PROHIBITED TO PARK RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AND OTHER VEHICLES, THERE WAS NO WAY TO GET SOMEBODY THAT COULD HAVE THE NEIGHBOR SUPPORT, UM, HAVE DIFFERENT REASONS AND BRING THAT FORWARD, UM, TO, TO THE COUNCIL FOR A VARIANCE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT PROMPTED COMING FORWARD WITH PUTTING THESE DEFINITIONS IN PLACE.
AND THEN SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU'LL SEE, AND THESE DEFINITIONS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE SINCE THE NINETIES, SO WE REALLY HADN'T MADE MANY CHANGES SINCE THAT TIME.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING TWO DEFINED TERMS BE PUT INTO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AS YOU SEE HERE.
ONE FOR OF THE VEHICLE BUSINESS, AUTOMOBILE OR WHEEL DEVICE TOWED BY AN AUTOMOBILE UTILIZED FOR BUSINESS OR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, INCLUDING HOME OCCUPATION AND BEARING BUSINESS OR COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE.
GOVERNMENT ISSUED VEHICLES SHALL BE EXCLUDED FROM THIS DEFINITION.
SO JUST PUTTING THE DEFINITION OF A BUSINESS VEHICLE.
AND THEN ALSO RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, AN AUTOMOBILE OR WHEEL DEVICE TOWED BY AN AUTOMOBILE BUILT ON A SINGLE CHASSIS AND DESIGNED FOR TEMPORARY LIVING ORDERS, TRAVEL OR RECREATIONAL USE.
EXAMPLES INCLUDE MOTOR HOMES, TRAVEL TRAILERS, CAMPERS, FIFTH WHEELS, BOATS, AND THEIR WATERCRAFT OR TRAILERS
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USED FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.AND THEN I'LL SHOW YOU THE CODE CHANGES AND, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT CHANGED SINCE WE WERE HERE IN JULY.
'CAUSE WE, WE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK.
SO WITH THE SECTION FOR THE PARKING AND LOADING, WE ARE LOOKING AT CHANGING ON B LOCATION OF REQUIRED PARKING IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, EXCLUDING RESIDENTIAL PARKING LOTS AND STRUCTURED PARKING DECKS.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU CAN LOCATE BUSINESS VEHICLES, RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, ALL THIS IS DOING IS TAKING OUT REALLY MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE THEY'RE USUALLY, IT'S RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY'RE PARKING IN A PARKING DECK.
CODE ENFORCEMENT SEEING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE USING A BOAT IN A MULTIFAMILY PARKING DECK THAT'S PRIVATELY MAINTAINED, IT'S NOT VISIBLE.
SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR THAT WE ARE REMOVING THAT WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL, UM, VEHICLES THAT CAN BE PARKED AT RESIDENTIAL, UM, PROPERTIES.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MULTI-FAMILY LARGE DEVELOPMENT.
WE ALSO LOOK AT, UM, CHANGING C ONE BUSINESS VEHICLE WITH A CARING CAPACITY OF LESS THAN ONE AND A HALF TONS, INCLUDING A VEHICLE USED IN CONNECTION WITH A HOME OCCUPATION MAY BE PARKED ON A PAVED DRIVEWAY AS DESCRIBED IN THE PROVISION OF B ONE B ABOVE.
SO THIS CHANGE HERE WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD BEFORE, IF YOU HAD A MARY KAY BUSINESS THAT YOU COULD PARK THE, THE MARY KAY CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY.
SO YOU, YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A BUSINESS VEHICLE IN THE DRIVEWAY.
IT CAN'T BE THE OVER ONE AND A HALF TONS.
UM, AND IT CAN BE A VEHICLE THAT'S RELATED TO YOUR HOME OCCUPATION.
OF COURSE, ALL OF THESE CODES, UH, DO NOT SUPERSEDED HOA COVENANTS.
SO YOU MAY HAVE STRICTER COVENANTS IN PLACE.
SO THIS CHANGE WOULD CHANGE IT FROM WHERE WE'VE BEEN SINCE THE NINETIES TO ALLOW THAT.
THE BUSINESS VEHICLE, WE ALSO HAVE THE REGULAR PARKING OR STORAGE OF ANY VEHICLE WITH A CARRYING CAPACITY OF MORE THAN ONE AND A HALF TONS.
UM, IS NOT PERMITTED IN ANY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT EXCEPT IN THE AG DISTRICT.
AND THE REASON WE KEPT THE AG IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE, IT COULD BE HORSE TRAILERS, UM, IT, IT'S LARGER VEHICLES WITH BUSH HOG, DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT.
OF COURSE WE HAVE VERY LIMITED AG, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T, UH, PROHIBIT THAT IN THE, IN THE AG ZONING.
SO THIS GIVES PROVISIONS TO, FOR SOMEBODY TO COME FORWARD, UH, TO REQUEST A VARIANCE TO THESE PROVISIONS.
AND IT REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE SIGNED AFFIDAVITS OF SUPPORT FROM ALL CONTINGENT CONTIGUOUS PARCELS THAT HAVE VISIBILITY OF THE VEHICLE.
UM, MULTIPLE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO GET, UM, SUPPORT FOR A VARIANCE.
BUT PRIOR TO THIS, THERE WAS NO OUTLET, NO WAY TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT WAS JUST PROHIBITED.
AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT MAY HAD A SMALL TRAILER THAT THEY KEPT THEIR MOTORCYCLE IN, BUT IT WAS PROHIBITED BECAUSE IT WAS CONSIDERED A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE.
SO THIS WOULD GIVE 'EM THE CHANCE.
AND IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, THAT PARTICULAR, UM, CASE, THEY ALSO HAD THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE IN SUPPORT, BUT THERE WAS NO WAY TO BRING 'EM FORWARD, UH, FOR A VARIANCE.
AND THEN WE ALSO, CONTINUING THAT SECTION WE JUST REMOVED THE LANGUAGE WAS, WAS, UH, VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND.
IT SAID THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR COULD ISSUE A VARIANCE, BUT THEN IT, EVEN WORKING WITH OUR ATTORNEY, IT WASN'T CLEAR AT ALL AS TO WHAT THE PROCEDURE WOULD BE OR WHAT CRITERIA FOR A VARIANCE WOULD BE.
SO THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES.
AND I THINK THAT TOOK INTO ACCOUNT MOST OF THE DIFFERENT, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD BACK IN JULY WHEN THIS WAS PRESENTED.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT IT.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON B SECOND SENTENCE, WHICH WAS ALREADY EXISTING SUBJECT TO APPLICABLE AREA REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO SETBACKS.
UM, WOULD THAT INCLUDE, UM, BYLAWS FOR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT B OR B? ORDINARY.
SO ALL OF THIS IS SUBJECT TO IF THERE'S AN HOA THAT TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE SO THEY CAN PROHIBIT YES, THAT
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THAT'S, THAT WAS, UH, WHAT I WAS CLARIFYING AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.OH, I, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT THAT THIS CERTAINLY MAKES IT A LOT MORE CLEAR YEAH.
AND, UM, FROM OUR DISCUSSIONS IN JULY.
AND ALSO IT DOES GIVE A, A REALLY CLEAR PROCESS, WHICH I REALLY LIKE, UM, FOR THEM TO REQUEST A VARIANCE.
I KNOW IT TOOK SOME TIME, BUT I, I THINK THIS IS REALLY GOOD.
THIS IS A GREAT ENHANCEMENT TO WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN JULY.
HE HAD A FEW QUESTIONS, COMMENTS,
YEAH, I I REMEMBERED THE MARY KAY CAR AS WELL.
BUT IT WAS, UM, YEAH, THOSE, IT WAS GREAT COMMENTS AND WE, WE WENT BACK AND WE TALKED TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND IT DIDN'T SOMETHING THAT WE GO OUT AND WRITE VIOLATIONS FOR A LOT.
UM, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE PROVIDED A WAY IF PEOPLE DID NEED TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE THAT THEY COULD COME FORWARD IF THEIR NEIGHBORS OKAY.
SO YEAH, MICHAEL WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED WHEN HE DIDN'T SAY HE'S NOT COMING.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR KATHY? WE WILL.
I WAS JUST ASKING WHETHER WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, THERE IS NO PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON, UH, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.
OH, I'LL, I'LL REQUEST, UM, HELP ME OUT HERE.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PH DASH 26 DASH OH FOUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AS PRESENTED, AS PRESENTED BY MS. COOK AMENDMENTS BUSINESS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
ALRIGHT, THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPER SECONDED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? HEARING NONE OR IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
WE'VE BEEN UNANIMOUS IN EVERYTHING
HAVE A GREAT NIGHT AND A GREAT OCTOBER.